Hells Angels Enforcer Reveals Life At War With The Mongols

One day I thought, "Oh, we'll build bike again." Went to Oakland, that sunny with Hoover. And I looked right at him and I said, "I think I'll join your club." And I went and told Sony, "Yes, I'm ready, man." I'm ready to be Hell's Angel. I went to Lothlund. Well, when I went up there, I saw Mongol Pactics. And that's when the phone call came. Hell's Angels to Harris. I said, "You got a gun." He said, "Yeah." I said, "People are gonna die tonight." 63 of us walked in up against 100 and some Mongols. It set off. I stabbed that National President twice. I knew it was gonna be a tough war. And I thought, "Better get a state meeting." All the haunches, the whole state come up and we found two bugs in the room, clearing the room. I said, "Get ready for conspiracy." And four days later, we were raided. Imagine joining an outlaw motorcycle club at 49 years old. That's the story of Jobi Walters, a former Hell's Angel who rose the ranks of the H.A. to become a leading figure in the organization. Jobi was in deep. He gave his life to the club. He was close friends with Hell's Angel leader, Sunny Barger, and was on the front lines of the war against the Mongols, including the infamous shootout at Horas Casino in Lothlund, Nevada, in which three bikers ended up dead. Jobi is a real outlaw, the last of the old school gangsters. He put out a hit against the Mongol who killed his partner at Horas and then beat the federal murder conspiracy against him. How many people can say they did that? He finally left the Hell's Angels and lives as a rancher now in rural Arizona and has written a book about his life, "Cut free." The link to that will be in the description below. No member of the Hell's Angel has seen or done as much as Jobi and live to tell about it. This is as outlaw as it gets. The one and only Jobi Walters right here on the connect with Johnny Mitchell. I pulled in Arizona on a 1972 on head sports star on the rigid Springer front end with a pair of crutches strapped to it because of my broke front. It was Arizona like the mecca of the HA? No, that was the dirty dozen, man. And I tell you what, when I showed up there, it took me just about maybe 20, 25 years after I rode into Arizona, got a job. I'm loading, I'll tell you, I'll still the story for you. And at a stable, I'm loading with some line-oages in the central park, Brookbiker, Dirt Jeans, Grind, you know, Leakin' Harley, you know. And his cowboy coming across here, so I got a semi-load of "Hey, how'd it cred color out?" I need to unload a stable, stop mountain, ponderosa stable. What kind of stable? It's a dude's stable. We take people and rides and those mountains over there. I said, "Well, I'll work." And I followed him around my bike and we unloaded that "Hey," and the driver said, "Man, you work hard. It's been around horses or anything before." I said, "Oh, yeah, I said group country, man." He said, "Well, they need help here." And I said, "Yeah, I'll give it a shot." Pushed a bike away. Went down to the thrift store and bought a cowboy hat. Cowboy boots and a vest. And that's where my career of riding, guidance, hounds, the professional I am today started right there. And then it went on. I've guided all over the country. I've packed big horn sheep from Montana to Callis belt, white fish and the mountains are Arizona to San Juan's Colorado. The hell's canyon to the Snake River, packed with hot-shot firefighters on their duties down in there, putting fires out and unpacking them up with a string of mules. I've been through it, I'm a professional. And then one day I thought, "Oh, I'll build bike again." And that's when my story of the hell's angels would come on. So, what year was that? When I decided I wanted to build one again, it was in '97, '96, and I went to Canada and guided bare hunters. And that was my rat hole money for it. And I came back from there, my buddies, you know, I shot pool, but I didn't drink. I quit it all '92. June 3rd, one-thirty-and-half, and then after taking on Durango's finest with a nose full of cocaine and a gallop full of Jack Daniels. I took him on. - In Durango? - In Durango, Colorado. El Rancho, I fought five Indians. Another cowboy came off the bar and helped me with them. Full stick bar, 45 record player shattered. I mean, it was on. And we walked out of our culture we wanted to. And they pulled me over at the end of town, and I was, I didn't know what I looked like. I was high. I was high, I mean, pool ball strone, pool sticks crashing, and this cowboy come off to help me. He knew what he was doing, man. We went five Indians. There we did. And the cop looked at me. I didn't know what I looked like, but I was busted up. And he went like that, and I said, you better push a little button what you got, 'cause there ain't enough of you to take me to jail, well, he brought enough. - Hmm. - And while I was way asked when you could get out, I finished off that little bit of jack, and I had a little vinyl coat left, and I snorted it up, and I stood right turn and walked with me. And they took me to jail. - And that's what got you sober? - Pretty much. It was that work release program that I went back to up there, sitting at a stable, that a friend of mine owned, that had proud pines that he'd signed me out. She won a, I'm a horse here. She won a horse a day for me, Joby and you, Marlow, go do what you want, and if they want to know where you're at, you're building, you're helping me on my fancy. And I sent her a fishing for trout, and she was gonna go to stores, 130, afternoon, June 3rd, 1992. And she said, what do you want me to get for these fish? I said, I get salad and pay to flake for bread 'em up. She goes, you don't have to go to jail, work release, in and out. You don't have to go in for two days, if you want something to drink. - So you've got sober before you joined the Hells Angels? - Absolutely, I was sober for years. - How many people can say that? - None. (laughs) - 'Cause I never met 'em. - 'Cause what sober person in the right mind would join the most infamous outlaw biker club in the world? - Looking for something, man, looking for family, looking for brotherhood. That's what I was looking for. And man, that's top of the food chain. Why wouldn't I want to? When I sit in my mind to take, and I, I, I don't wanna say this, my dog, I had hounds and everything at that time. I was hunting mountain lions and had morn horses and living, you know, with a good, good woman. And went to Oakland, that sunny with Hoover, you know? That's how I found the Hells Angels. A girl friend of mine was Dayton Hoover, and I came back from Canada and me and her shop pulled together, hung out, good girl, you know? We were pals, but she drank and I didn't. And my buddies told me, say, Don's Dayton Hells Angel, man, you better have a talk with her. I've already been through that world, man. You know, with the Avengers, pagans, the outlaws, I'd been around them. He just, that's another man. It just so happens that he's at the top of the food chain, he's Hells Angel, and the dirty dozen just went, that was their first year of being Hells Angels. Well, I went to visit her at the bar, she worked at, and she squealed, come out there and said, and there was Hoover sitting there at the bar. - Who's Hoover? - Hoover, see, but they shot him right there. They, they, it's in my book, they snipe at him. It was the feds that killed him. He was wanting peace, man. Hoover, Hoover had been through it, you know? He'd been, you know, been on the bag and he was a, you know, dirty dozen, like all of them, you know? But when Hoover took over Cave Creek, and I met Hoover, Hoover had principles, man, you know? He was looking at a club, and he was a sure enough biker, just like I was, dirty at the times, but he always wanted peace. I remember asking him when I got, you know, I wore with anybody, and he looked at me because, no, man, we're not wore with him. Like, why do you wanna say something like that? Because it's, what else do you think? You know, 1% or hell is angels, who are we fighting now? Now we're fighting all of them in all fronts, you know? But she introduced me to Hoover, and he said, you're that tour hunt and guide she talks about. Now I laughed, I said, just say, I'm good to meet you. He said, he said, she said, you used to ride, which I told her I rode with the Avengers West Virginia at one time or another, you know? Like, do another bike, and I said, yeah, to West Virginia, Avengers way back, he says, well, I'm from Michigan originally. And that was him telling me that I know the Avengers, 'cause every county up there had Avengers in him, and he was from there, and he knew him, and Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, and that's what he was telling me when he said that. And I knew what name drop him was when you know, and I asked him that right then, and I said, let's skip outside, he had his bike out there. And I said, do we need to do this name drop in or what? I said, hit it. He said, pinky, I said, animal, names, you know? Heavy names, big names in that world. And I'll tell you what, the Avengers don't go. Who were the Avengers, and how did it relate to the Hells Angels. - The Avengers were smaller. But if you want to put them in a bar and tell which one of them to eat shit and die, they'd go to fight and They go back down to nobody Respect honor something you have right there, you know You got a The people die for that I About dead and then it all came to a head when I wasn't backed up and it was like why Why do people want to die for something on their back when? There's no brotherhood in it man, so you were really ready to give your life for the club. Oh Absolutely, how do you go so close up many times to do that? There was one you know, you hear that thing. I'll take a ball up for you Then won't you take a ball for me when I took on the bogos of bullhead? I went up there three men because everybody said all the bogos the bogos. I was in Kingman I got along with them in Las Vegas. I have no problem with the bogos respect There's no joke You know and then everybody procrastinates and I told Kay Creek. Okay. I'm going to bullhead Friday at seven I'll leave my place and I'm gonna go find them and we'll take care of this Three other hills angels showed up and they weren't cave Creek and they weren't Skull Valley. They were the nomads and Desert road riders Rudy. He was a president of nomads and he'd done time and he was all buffed up He showed I had a bike for him and he made the desert road riders go with us and we wouldn't found them and People I was headed for a reckoning man, you know, I was headed not Not to prove something nobody just take care of the business in his hand. It's what's expected of me Tells what happened at bullhead because it's a famous collision right between the Harris was a famous collision with the Mongols But I found that lazy hair. He's this is where I found the bogos when we went in and one of them looked at me Hey, Joe be what's going on? I said, you know what's up? Here's me and two other hills angels and three of them Big I thought boy, I'm gonna take this big guy. I'm on him If I can get him to the ground, I think I can whip him, but I know I couldn't stand up with him. I was gonna take you Rudy was on the wrong side of me to get to me You know, I thought this could be a tough one. I said, you know what it's about man And he said man, we're the same and we said let's step out here on the balcony sliding doors rocks down below People looking knowing it was going down the whole place went tense These people were gonna dive and hurt themselves because of what I was bringing to the table And I said, you know what this is about and we lit them up and we put him to sleep Yeah, we want we want just with fists. Yeah Yeah, could escalate in a gun fight really easy. That's what I tried to take J2 was bandito And you kept it on you, right? I didn't have a gun on me when I went in there. Okay. I had a knife My left my gun. I Didn't want to see it go there Did you use your knife? It was a lot of people in there and When I saw the parking lot the three green bikes and the band you could hear it in the size of the place I said just ain't nowhere To be doing that and I took it off of me and I put it in my bag And I said look you guys stay here told science Steve watch things and me and two other hells angels walked in there Let's go get this done and you set it off. Oh boy. I said I set off a war From then on it was They went up. Yeah, they were coming to kill me When I went home that night Rudy went home James went home Steve went home Desert road riders didn't ride back to Kingman with me. They went home. I pulled up to my place said bye, man After taking all those guys knowing I you know what I'd have done. I'd got a crew together come up here And I'd above my I'd above my place on the foundation or I'd have knocked on the door and said one on one in the street Joe be Some way or another hot retribution was common and nobody was heard back and so the bar goes around to kill you I believe they would I you go beat three miles and it's almost huge That's the way it was in those days and now I'm afraid of So you meet Hoover? Yeah, and he's the he's the one who Introduce you to sunny barger. Yeah. Yeah, Hoover when we was talking about bikes. He had a hard tail You know and the FXRs were coming out that was when the evos were you know hot and heavy and he was building him an FX Hard and he had a hard tail with a hot rod motor and he said I'm gonna take that motor out and I got a rolling chassis And that's what me and I talked about outside when we was dropping names. I said, you know, I have belt drive I said I might be interested in that what you want for you because I Said well, I tell you what I got to get me a page or I'll give you my page or number and take yours and when you decide Let's have a lunch and well and I got a pickup truck. I'm pretty flush if you're gonna tear a motor down you need to run around Build a new club house on the carpenter heck. I'll help you with that. I got nothing going on That's how I introduced myself. I got nothing on that. I'll hang out with you Not your health ain't it's good dude. I like him. Hmm straight up move my bike friend So I might won't meet the other one and I did I drove nails with him had fun and then Hoover come out and said I Got to go to Oakland sunny and John Andrew moving to Arizona. I I said boy that'll bring money to the coffer anniversary party birthday party Red and white night sunny barger You know and I said yeah, he said what John Andrews got a bunch of parts and he's giving them to us So we'll sell them for the club, but you could probably use a few I said I got your truck. He said I got a trailer Next morning, man. We were on a way to Oakland. I said I don't need sunny one. I'm up there. He said I'm more likely and We stayed denied on the way and pulled up there and Mid-morning about nine o'clock pulled into Johnny, Angel's old place and he'd already contacted Sonny in the truck telling them we're going to Johnny a's So we back up into garage lifted and we're throwing time here comes a pickup truck Sonny barger gets out. I thought he'd get bigger than what he was never many. I never seen picture of man And he's top dog at this point right? Oh my gosh. He's Not a national president in any way, but such a such an icon such a mover and shaker with that He's the one that took the hell's angels where they are You know and expanded and made him and he was always in the political end of it And you know and then he heard George Christie a lot what he's putting on the show and you know George was supposed to be second to him and I wrote with Sonny for a number a number of years and George Christie's name camera cab as well really so George is having fun with what he's doing. He's out bad. What a shame and he's keeping the eye. He's he's He's a true believer man, you know, you know, I don't know where it's going to get him when it comes time for the largest step in But he's living that life but Sonny Noelle had horses Sonny like cowboys and I'm up there just like I am here, you know and I told Noelle I know you what kind of horses you got she told me I saw I know that kind of nice breed halter champions and Cutters and all that cow horses were open horses and she's looking like And Sonny looks at Hoover and he said where did you find this guy? Yeah The Hoover said there's more to him than you think And uh I interviewed you know that's when he said Sonny And the first thing it came out of my mouth when I shook hands with Sonny Barger was cool And uh weeks changed numbers right there until when he come to Arizona He need help with his horses horses you and everything and he called me when he showed up Hey, we're in here's my address come out and see us And I went and that's to be a Relationship I started with Sonny And so you were a hang around? No, not at that time. I was nothing I was waiting on Hoover to finish up his bike and I was putting uh I got the chassis and I was doing some stuff to eat and new tires and making things right and I was Sonny come up and said that we go through Delcron Get you some cases and build you a motor I said well I got a guy give me some heads and we ended up with this other motor with some good stuff and He said why don't you let Mark build that motor. He's a good motor builder mark was cave Creek charter I said okay out of Sonny. I just gave Mark the motor and said build that here's the money And now why he was doing that I was still with my dogs Uh-huh Seeing the club helping with clubhouse going to see Sonny. I like Sonny. I like being around him I did he's he's Not because he's just man. You're standing barger. Don't get no better than that the course But I'm a man's man and he's I liked you and he respected you and I respected him Yeah, and not I I respect like Because he's the man You know I've the patch I learned to respect that later when I got in line Look to me to him. He was used to stand up man And he had that the one thing about him When you ask him something you got to real deal man because he had that second or second a half to reach up there. So you had that second, a second half to think about what he's going to say. So you had the the trachea? Yeah. So you got, he didn't shoot his mouth off. Right. Because when you got to press a button to speak, the words you say are going to be meaningful. Second, say what you're going to think about what you're going to say. So I got the motor going. Okay. Let it in the bike. Took my pickup truck and drove down the sun. He's he come out. He always drink coffee. Yeah. I said, you got him in it. It's outside. We had a drop tailgate sat down and I said, well, I got that motor in. How's it run? I said, going to go me all right. I think I can I think I can get some miles out of me on a hard tail. I still got some life left in me, you know, hard tail with a lot of running that the club does, you know, and I said, he says, well, what are you going to do with it now? You got it running. And I looked right at him. I said, I think I'll join your club. And I'd be an honor. There's you nice church. If you bring me up and sposh me and I'm ready. That's what I want to do. And he said, you've got balls. He said, I don't have a problem with that. And we got a lot to talk about. And we set for a couple of hours, we talked about a lot of things. Talked about life, life in the club. What the main thing that he said that that I did lose, he said, when you join us and you get that patch, be ready to lose your job, your home, your wife, your life, or go to prison. I lost all of them but my life. I lost all of it. And you were ready for that? Yeah. I chose that. Because when you talk to George Christie, he'll tell you that it's just a riding club, man. That's what I tried to tell people in the prospects and backgrounds. It's a club. It's all a man's club. Let's go riding. But to Sunny Barger. It wasn't. We're criminals. You're right. There's a bunch of them in there. And you fought for something that you had nothing to be involved in. But what that man, that Mongol took that hell's angel's old lady and you catch him at a slot meet and that hell's angel jumps on that Mongol for taking his old lady and it was her choice. And he beats his ass. Now you're a war with the Mongols for what? For what? And it isn't just no fisticuff. You're picking up things to man and hurt and kill. It's all for what? And that's the reality of it. And you have guys say the club comes first and everything. I said, who's this new guy you got out there? When I was at Skull Bay, I just came for each charter. Went down for a meeting. Who's that new guy out there? Oh yeah, he come around. You know, yeah, youngster, you know, he goes, yeah, he goes to college over there. At night school, he's got a wife and a baby. You need dogs. You don't need any. He's going to lose everything. He's got a wife, a child, in his career for what? For being able to put something on to make him a man because he wasn't a man to put it on. And there's a lot of them like that. I saw it, seen it. I thought, yeah. Well, you think it's, yeah. Well, you think that's probably why there was, you know, a lot of informants is because you had these guys who weren't really thugs, criminals. And when it, you know, push came to shove, they wanted to save their own life. But you didn't have, you were kind of a perfect recruit in many ways. I was a perfect fit. I sold trouble before it came. I went to prison by myself, you know, and you stood on it. You never cooperated. Yeah. Whatever they got out of me, the first thing I said, okay, Joby, you know, I said, I'll tell you why I said, don't ask me nothing about sunny barger. I don't know anything about any murders. And probably what I say to you, you already know. And I'm trying to get my bail down. And they just like, here, Joby, and I got my bail down from a half million to 50,000. A friend put it up and I headed to Mexico. Okay. So moving, stepping back a little bit. Oh boy. How long we going to go to that? Man, a long time. How much time have you got? Hey, I'm with you, man. 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Hang around, it's supposed to been a year, prospect for a year. I did it all in eight months. Eight months. That was a hell of a angel. Wow. When I walked in that room and they handed me that little black and white tag and said, "Hang around." Eight months later, it was December 18, 1999. I think it was. I patched in me on Bobby and Stokes, patched in at the same time. So you got your rocker bottom and top? Yeah. Sonny, they jumped on us. They said, "I went to see Sonny and I'd been into some things and put my ass out on the line on a few things." I went and told Sonny, I said, "I'm ready, man. Somewhere I'm ready to be a hell's angel." I went to the house to tell him that. In Oakland? No, in Arizona. When he came there, I went to the sausage. We were doing church night and I always went down road with him or at home with him. I went everywhere, sonny went. We were coming out of the post-time bar we hung out at after church and it was time for us to go. Sonny hadn't home, you know. And he walked out to get on his bike right there in the front and mine was just a little ways down and I went all right. I had effects on her then. I went and got on it and there was a car coming and there was two guys in it and there was a line of bikes, line of bikes and cars and something was wrong. It slowed down and I'd already practiced on my road over there by new river to shoot left handed off my motorcycle. I'd practiced that. You know, I'm right handed and you can't let go throttle. So I practiced shooting left handed while I was running hard on a bike and I got good at it. Really? Yeah. I was hitting gallon jugs, 40 min. I, you know, right from here to your wall or whatever. And I thought something was wrong with that. I hit the starter and I had to gear. It's a wipe-up, bam. I'd snap cut. I snapped my cut open because I had a cross girl here. And when I come up, it stopped right in front of Sonny and my handlebar clipped the mirror when I slid stop and I was reaching and it was roper day. We used to be an old dirty dozen. You know, stopping to say hi to Sonny and I'm pulling and you know, I could, I, I didn't hit a neutral. I hit brakes, it shattered to a stop. I was fixing to open up in this truck in this car. I was reaching. I saw roper Dave. I said, "Joby!" And Sonny looked over at him and says, "You better be careful that it gets your fucking ass killed." Man and me followed up like he did. That's what he told roper Dave. You were ready. - Yeah, Australia's take a boat for sunny. - And give one. - Yeah. - What did you have on you? - Forty. - Forty cow. - Forty cow, 16 rounds. - What other kind of guns did you have in that era? - Forty five, 1911. I left it under the body at Harris, Casino. 22 Magnum Tires was my second backup gun. But when I lost Forty five, I had to Forty five, then I lost it at Harris, and then I picked up on the Forty, you know, Smith and West, for the Casino, Smith and West. - Did you guys have any automatics? Send me automatics, yes. - I didn't. No, I didn't see any around. I mean, I don't know what was, you know, I mean, I know what was in our coffer, but we didn't have any. I don't know what everybody else might have, but no, everybody had a gun, everybody had a gun knife, you know, like I had a hand grenade, so it occurred to him around with me. - Well, you guys were known, the hell's angels were known to have grenades. - I'd never saw any, never saw none. - So, Sonny Barger at this time, what kind of criminal activity, you know, obviously besides the do's that are getting paid into the club, how was he financing himself? - Oh, it was a shop he had, he had money saved up, Sonny was worth money, he had to shop in Oakland, he shut down, Sonny saved money, he wasn't a fauna, you know, I mean, hotels or motel sixes, you know, and then he started that book and he did his own, he did his own shipping out of his own garage, you know? - Well, book. - The life of times at Sonny Barger and Hell's Angels. That's one I went on tour with him, which is Chicago. And, but no, Sonny had, Sonny never broke a law that I know of the years I was rounding. Never saw him do dope, saw him drink a few beers, saw him talk to youngsters, try to give him wisdom, talk to a law, so once it met me in a camp in Colorado and heard my name and said, "Yeah, Joby Walters, he was LAPD, you know, retired." He said, "You ran with Sonny?" I said, "Yeah, I said, "I did, I'll be doing." Look at us out here in the middle of nowhere and here's a guy that knows me, no Sonny. He said, "You know, he was an evil man." I said, "Not my eyes." I said, "I never saw that side of him, "mean him not shit of a few people together, you know?" But, and yeah, guy, there's no doubt he'd never turned tail and he'd, "KF had to." - So he ran this like legitimate business operation. Yeah, he still chose to live the life of an outlaw, of a criminal and ended up dying in prison. - Okay, you say outlaw, criminal, let's break the law and what standards, no. He was, you look at the hell's angels as a whole, and today they say gang, and they're a criminal activity. And I told him this, "If Cave Creek, Skull Valley, whoever, and I was involved in it, and a criminal activity, a prostitution, drugs, maybe in a sober person, everything, I would have been involved in that cause of the money, and there was nothing to get involved in. I never sold drugs while I was in there. I didn't like my people doing it, Skull Valley didn't sell dope. My buddies in Kengman, I was trying to put a crew together. They were tough youngsters. They got high, but don't let me, don't bring no heat on us selling dope, you know? But other charters, you know, it's individuality. - Yeah. - And you're not gonna tell a man what to do. - But, you know, and reputation I had, and other people had to be able to tell, you're not gonna do that in this charter, well, you're not gonna do that in this charter, you know, make sense, that makes sense, you know? - So after you get patched in, tell us about how you basically opened up these areas in Arizona. - I knew when I joined Cave Creek, I was living up in Prescott area, Skull Valley, before it boomed, and I knew I was going back here, and I told Hoover that. I said, "In a year, man, let's kick something off up there, "you know, Prescott's gonna grow." And I live up in a Skull Valley, and Hoover said, "Man, that'd be a cool name, Skull Valley." I said, "You know, so that was my move." And I'd been everywhere, you know, prior to that, one year in, 'cause you can't transfer to after a year, I'd been to, I'd been to Funerals, anything that had to go, that a hell's angel had to go out there, it was ona out of a card, or my hand was in the air, I wanted to go, I wanted to meet, I wanted to see it, I wanted people to know me, and I called myself, I didn't say, "Hey, Joby Hill's angel had a cave creek." I said, "Joby of Arizona." That was my name, and that's how I introduced myself. That's Joby of Arizona. And I opened up that country. I remember a funeral I went to in California, and my first one, and I was a prospect, and they'd lowered the casket, and they'd shovel dirt. Hell's angels would shovel and dirt. Well, one of the people that, you know, dig graves, and you know, take care of everything, the tamper, he set it down in there and jumped down in there to start it, and I jumped down beside him, I said, "You get your ass off my brother's casket." And start that, and I'm the one who started the tamper, I'm a start tamper dirt, and every funeral I went to, I jumped in the hole and had the tamper sent to me, and I jumped down. I wouldn't let it, I said, "You get off my brother's casket." - So it was really meaningful to you? - Absolutely. - What were brothers dying for, and from? - Gunshots, war, you know, mongol. Well, we had a few cancer situations and things like that, but the most that I saw was fight, shot in the back, knifed, you know, I lost, you know, Jethro from San Jose, me and him were tight. I liked Jethro, he became president, you know, after the sergeant arms got shot by another hell's angel out of funeral. He got killed, Jethro stepped up. The president of San Jose, you know, claimed, you know, mongol's ain't coming here. R, R, R, R, R, R, he's gone, he quit. It's like take care of your own backyard. Take care of your own backyard. We're at war all over the nation, all over the world. And if you're getting along with the mongol's over here, or the common carols over there, or the outlaws over here, and we're not over here, we're killing them, you're not. I can never could understand that. I figured, you know, but take care of your own backyard. And that Vago shot Jethro in the back at Reno at a run. Hot August night, so I think it was a Reno to casino. They something kicked off with the Vago's. And Jethro got shot in the back and got killed, and that hurt me. There was man in there that, no, I wouldn't take a bullet for it. But it's a hard thing to ask for, man, but you got something in there that are so tight and so stand up, so man that you have that right there. And over here, you don't. And over here, you got your jealous, and you over here, you're fighting your own, and over here, you want to kill your own. I experienced all that. Tell us about the Hell's Angel that shot his brother at a funeral. Yeah, there was a, it was Jethro's funeral up there. And I forget the name of the, I forget the name of the, he was a sergeant arms on the West Coast meetings. And he got in an argument at a funeral with another Hell's Angel from Merced, and the Merced Hell's Angel pulled a gun and shot him at your funeral, killed him right there. And they wouldn't let cops in, of course, cops ain't coming here to say to us. They got rid of the guy, you know? I mean, there was legit, whatever. I mean, you know, they didn't, they didn't kill that member for killing the other member. And politics about it, I didn't get into it, but it was like the guy turned himself in, you know, that shot the other Hell's Angel. Why? What was that? What was so hard that you have that brotherhood, and you can't go over there without sticks, knives, guns, and duke it out, that you have to pull a gun and kill your own. And I come close to it at one time or another and probably, I could see it. The meaning is in it, the falseness. The. Not. true man, not having the truth, you know. That hurt me more than anything. It's not feeling the real truth about how somebody felt that you couldn't just come and communicate, but they had to ambush you in a way that when Sonny looked at me said, "I'll tell you how to take care of this. Let's get a driver." I said, "Sonny I'm tired of fighting and to come. I got my driver and he's taking me home. I'm done." Yeah. Sonny didn't like the way I did things, but what do you mean? The way I quit. I could have come to the table and pitched and raised hell and all that, but here I am putting 8/16 blocks in front of my window, thinking the boggo is gonna come and kill me, and I have no backup, and when I step out that door, my life's at risk, and I knew I was quitting right then, so I boxed it up and told him, "You know, I'm done," and that's when I went down and told Sonny, and I tried to touch Sonny again after all that, but his woman at the time wouldn't let me talk. I was on non-association. Okay, so I don't want to jump ahead, because I don't want to jump ahead. You know, who are you guys at war with when you first joined? The Mongols were already, you know, beaten or chest in California, everything, but the, the dirty dozen, I heard about them a little bit, you know, prior to them becoming hell's angels. And what I heard of the dirty dozen was the hell's angels was not coming there, or so on, because the dirty dozen told them they weren't, unless the dirty dozen become hell's angels, and there was a lot of politics and that, the party and Dan and you, and this and that. The dirty dozen, when they prospected into the hell's angels, they wore their whole dirty dozen regalia patch and everything with a prospect red and white patch on their colors. They didn't shed at all and put their Arizona red and white bottom rocket like it was all said and done. They, they, they prospected with the dirty dozen patch on, and when you give us the hell's angel patch, we'll take the dirty dozen pack off. Yeah, they were notorious, man. I wouldn't join them. It was in the bag, in the math, and everything, man, they were in all of it. That was at my forte, you know, so when the hell's angels came to Arizona, and then I heard about it, you know, that they went red and white and then later on that, the next few years when I was introduced, the mongrel situation, and then we were all at the host time, standing outside, I was prospect. And here come a member, the Indian guy, can't remember his name, from Phoenix, come blasting in there on a diner, I mean sideways, and didn't even shut it off, dropped a kickstand before his feet even hit the ground and in the bar he went. I thought, I'm going on my motorcycle checking my gun, we're going somewhere, you know, we are going somewhere. And when he come out, here come the hell's angels, and here come Phoenix was there with us at the post time. And we jumped on bikes, went down Cape Creek to a little hideaway bar down there that I used to drop off flyers for red and white night or whatever, but we didn't frequent it. And there was 10 a pang and bar motorcycle out front of it. Those choppers. Yep. Yeah, yeah, they were air pangers, they were gang bikes, they were they were mongrel bikes, you know, not California plates or anything couldn't see them. But I jumped off to go in and Hoover said, stay out. And so a bunch of them went in. And I thought, you know, what's this about? I didn't even know who was in there yet. I didn't know who was in there or whatever, just these bikes are here. It's in it was bike week. Here was on a bike week. And they came out, Hoover did, and all of them came out, and we went back to the clubhouse. And I'm waiting for somebody to tell me what's going on. I got sunny. So what was that guy says mongles? Said there were 10 of them in there. And they never come to Arizona. And they were no joke. I heard, you know, but Hoover invited to the clubhouse next day at 10 o'clock to have a talk. So 10 o'clock, nine o'clock next morning, I'm at the clubhouse, you know, getting the bar back up other prospects. And here come 10 mongles. Eight of those Arizona, eight of those motorcycles had Arizona license plates on them. I thought they didn't come say hi. They came. They're here. They are here. And they come inside. We stayed out and I went in and we ate and barred and they're talking and I'm going to the back room and Hoover's talking to this main mongle right here by the phone. And when I walked by and I heard that mongle say to Hoover, Hoover, I ain't here to kiss your ass. And I thought, it's on. You know, when I walked by and I turned reaching, I was reaching. I thought, I thought it was pretty like that. You know, because I didn't, I thought Hoover'd come off. And Hoover said, I know, just like that, I know, and he looked at me. And it was, and he turned back. He goes, yeah, I understand. So I knew, you know, don't shoot this guy. And when they left out of there, that's when we found out we took pictures, found out who was who where they lived and all that. Yeah, they were there. They came to Arizona, you know, without asking. And the vogue was tri-state moved into the area. And you know, the banditos came through and stopped, you know, and Hoover was on a, he was talking to New Mexico a good bit. After Hoover got killed every time I went through New Mexico, I'd stop and see junior sergeant arms. I went back east to Ohio, whatever to be my family or wherever I was going to Illinois, wherever I was going to, I always called junior up. We meet at hardly shop now, the curking picnic table, get a soda pop or a coffee and chop it up. Everything's always good with the banditos, you know, for a while. Until when? Till I was trying to help get Las Vegas going when I was living in Kingman and Jay Dobbins and Timmy and having a big coalition meeting, coalition of clubs and word was out that the banditos came and we knew they were there and they knew they were in Nevada. And they were going to come and take over. They were coming to it and they weren't invited. And I got a call from Las Vegas. That's when I told Teddy, I got to go to Las Vegas. He said, "Why don't you send all of our soldiers?" You're involved over there and you're helping with that. So take the prospects and do what you got to do. And this is when Laughlin happened? This was after. This was after. So you were involved in what popped off at Laughlin, famously, and afterwards as well in Vegas. And in the ballhead with the bogos. And when did that happen? The running with the bogos. To run in with the bogos was when I was on federal pre-trial release. 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I'd leave from these places. I brought a lot of money with it. So that was your hustle was like. That's that's what my hustle started. I won that the first time I thought biker bull riding mechanical bull. And what was his name? He had one at his venue at Sturgis. He's from Bizvy. Still. Still horse. Still. Anyway, you know, he had one and he wish he got me involved in it. You know, he had one. So I bought one and went on the road with it and did all that. Well, I went to lawful with it with it. And I had a place to set up. You know, I was setting it up. I said, I heck with it. I'm going down. I'm going up all the brothers, you know, in town and Flamingo. And they set bleachers up for burnouts and wheelies and the crowd. You know, that was our hangout. Well, across the river we had another hotel right there at Bullhead that a lot of people stayed at that, but it was on the Arizona side. So I went and checked in there and then blasted over to Flamingo. And I heard that San Francisco was standing at Harris. And I knew a lot of them got some of the blast up there, you know. Well, when I went up there, there was a prospect watching motorcycles out front, bunchhills, angel bikes. And when I looked, I saw, I saw mongrel patches. And I thought, what is going on here? And I asked it, probably, I said, what's going on? Because they've been filtering in. I said, San Francisco is going there. I said, yeah, so I went inside. And I said, you know, what's happening? And San Francisco always booked that place. And they didn't know, but the whole mongrel west ghost nation booked Harris. There was a bunch of them. And that's your turf. They can't just ride through without letting you know. They never came to Laughlin. And they were given grief to our support booths. You know, standoff stairs. You guys are no joke. They're gangsters, man. They're street boys. You know, it got on bikes. They're, you know, they're thugs. You know, tough. Tough as they come. They ain't afraid. They're no, she's just stab you. And you got, you know, you got 15 of them where we do that. And out of them, 15 hells, angels, maybe eight of them will do it. They weren't cut like they were when it come to that, you know, mess. Yeah. When you had, they had to do it. They lived it. That's where they came off the street from. And I, I knew it was going to be a tough war. Well, me and another member from Alaska went back over there. I got him when we took our patches off left from hotel. We went back over there to see what was going on in Cognito. And there was other members come in to see it. There was a bunch of Mongols around. I remember one member from Oakland. And I'm hard on names like see his face. Love the guy. He was walking to the bathroom. And I got my 45 by 19 11. I got a shirt tail out. But this was there. That's when you hear, yeah, we go in there with our shirt tails. That's got your eye to gun. You know, my shirt tails out. I'll hide in the gun. And he was walking straight to the bathroom. And he walked by some Mongols in a glass and looked at each other. And I got up from sitting over here. I saw it. And when the Mongols followed four Mongols followed him in there. And I come in behind the Mongols and went, right, excuse me, men. I said that to him. And it stopped him. And that hell's angel went to the urinal. And I walked up to the urinal. Like that, like I was taking a piss. And that was when it was ready to rock and roll. That's how I would hold him a pistol. Like I was taking a pin. That hell's angel. He looked at that, looked at me and smiled. I said, you know, they started a thing on you brother. I'm killing everyone. And he shook his. I took back. I turned around and walked out. And the Mongols never said a word. And then that's when everything was eyeballing and this and that. And I went back to Flamenco. But a time to tell him what was going on. Me and Mike, Mike, Big Mike from Richmond and Dennis. He was the VP from Richmond. We were standing. I said, man, didn't all look good over there. And here comes some cops. Saw my sergeant arms and VP presidents said, hey, you know, we don't. We don't want any trouble, you know, and they saw it coming. And they come over to say something to us like. And I remember Dennis saying, well, police are on. We'll police are on. And I'm not saying to you guys. That's when it came. I got a phone call. I ran inside, told everybody other people came inside. We got to go to here. We got a big crowd, you know, bikes rared up out of there. We tore out. And he told me, man, cowboy. He saw an orange cake. He was the last ones to leave. And my bike sputtered. I was on reserve. And I looked over at cowboys. I need gas. And I cut right across traffic and everything. I mean, screeching bikes. Into the station where everybody is. And I pulled up beside the guy stood at hit neutral. And he's pumping gas. And he looked at me. And I wretched my park pulled out of ward. And I said, here, and he wretched for the toilet. And I took it out, put it in mine. And then handed it back to him. Bam, out of there. We went and I hollered at cowboy. I said, you got a gun. He said, yeah, I said, people are going to die tonight. People are going to die tonight. You just felt it. I knew it. And now are you guys patching? Are you guys got your. Oh, yeah. We're headed war. We're headed war. We walked in there. Wow. 63 of us walked in there. Up against 100 and some Mongols. And this is in the first floor of the Flamingo Cassino. No, this is the first floor at Harris. At Harris, right? Yeah. Walked in. And he said, man, he says, we can't let this go here. Just like that. And I said, you better, you better call him off. And when he said that, I started reaching. When I said that, turning my start region. Because I knew it was going to kick. And that's when Ray Ray front snap kicked that guy. It set off. And he got away from me. And then I jumped over and covered up some guy from Washington duck. And the bullets hit the wall of the post. It splittered my lips. And then that's when I saw. Faster, I wrecked from my gun, saw faster, press on with a big Mongol. And a boom, boom, boom went off between them. And faster fell. And I shot two at him, that Mongol. And I ducked and ended up with a bullet hole right through my shirt right there. And a t-shirt, I was wearing under my cut. And a vest just went down and I made my way to him and he liver shot him up close. And I told him to open and big mic was there. I said, put a finger in that. And I started just sawd acid, spitten, terrible blood pool. My gun was laying there. My knife. And a cop started coming. The other shooting was going on and I was trying to save us, trying to get. And he looked at me right when I started in on him, he was alive. And he looked at me and he says, we got to go to Kentucky and go fishing with Tommy via. Tommy via was the president of Kentucky and we were both friends with him. And me and Festus was going to go back here and spend some time and do some fast fishing with him. That was the last conversation me and that brother had prior to him dying. We got to go see Tommy, Toby. I said, we'll get to your brother. And then his eyes glazed and that's when I knew it. I better get to work on him and I'll see. Cop showed up. I shoved my gun underneath him. He kicked the knife away and Paramex came in. He started giving push. I'd do in the mouth mouth and they plugged him in and said he was gone. He handcuffed me in Mike Dennis. Everybody, it cops were there then. It was all, everything was stopped. And that cop come back over to get us up. And he said to me, if it's an indication, he said there's three of them dead. And I looked at him, I said, that's a start, isn't it? That's a start. Who shot first? I don't know. I don't know. Does anybody know that question cow shaped from a shooter rock and roll boy he's putting them down that guy never You have a speeding ticket and he's down there burning do pop man. I mean he's Right there in the middle. Wow. Yeah, he's he's shooting them and But the front snap kick from Ray Ray started it, but who pulled guns first It could have been any others, you know now that Mongol that you shot that I don't know I think I did I don't know I just he wasn't there when it got done cuz best spell and there was a Ron from Phoenix hitting with about a 12 inch crushing wrench at the same time and it disappeared in his head I mean he busted And that's that side. I don't know, but he wasn't one of the three that was dead at the side Hmm, no, I don't think so. I don't know And civilians are running all it's pandemonium. Oh, yeah, it's crazy People are fighting and yeah fighting stabbing chair stabbing kicking you know And some ducking and some running and 63 hells angels went in there. You know how many they took into the room handcuffed? 61 cuz two of them were dead We all stayed the Mongols ran. I Talked to an old Mongol later on about that one time when we bumped into each other I'm pulling the finger at him. I Wanted to shoot him, but I wasn't in a situation that I could do it Nice to remember Harris and he looked and he said you scared you you old G scared him youngsters to death when you all came in there They ran And they jumped on their bikes and they peeled out rooms wherever they could go hide You know they You know who's the other brother you guys lost that day? We lost we lost fastest. We lost a A younger member out there on on the Out by the bikes. He got shot and then There was a member that left lawfully going back to Ventura and they found him on the side of the road wreck bike shot with his driver's license land on his chest on the side of the road You hear about that. Yeah, yeah, founding police founding on the highway wreck motorcycle and he's land often to do Gunshot with his driver's license land on his chest So who did that that was a brother or a monk? It was a hell of angel young man. Oh, so they caught up with them Yeah, they found him on the road or something, you know Yeah, they were running to him on the road and shot him off his bike Young guy too had a cool. I remember him. I mean, I'd see him around Young guy pull of it jock, you know tough You know, but well-matter well-dressed kind of nice little lady young girl and When we had George young George when we said funeral Said well, we're gonna bear him he goes no, he said we're not bearing him. I said oh, I I ain't never been to a hell's angel funeral while we didn't bury our own and George Christian son He says what you have now Parents didn't want nothing she wanted. We came there out of respect, but we left and they buried her own Yeah, the family had had enough of it So this could have been avoided if the Mongols had just contacted somebody But they weren't they weren't there to do that. They were there to kick some shit off. They absolutely they were there They had enough. They're men. They're bad. They're no joke. I mean all that you go We didn't have co-socks it co-socks it took on the banditos and you take the banditos and warlocks the sons of silence pagans the outlaws the Avengers The hell's angels the top hatters the boggles the Mongols They don't he you don't get no worse than that And I don't care and you know you want to take and split them up and say okay. There's a hundred of each You've got six hundred some seven hundred bad son of a gun's buddy There no joke They'll bring it to you. They ain't afraid care if your hell's angel care who you are They'll bring it to you. That's the way it is today You're riding with a target on your back a war coming from all fronts So there's been a war since that day in 2002. There's an ongoing war between the ancient and the mind Onside Yeah To your knowledge has there been revenge killings. Oh, absolutely Absolutely, and then when they worked at wedding with their son P. We was on your gas Yeah, one of angels come over and said there's Mongols over there in that next room getting married And and you know what you know what P. We said Brandon Sun said We got to go in there We have to go in there At a marriage at one of marriage places in Las Vegas They went in there to kill him and the fight was all knives Shoot and everything went on right there P. We were right there P. We went to prison for that Yeah, so you guys all stay get arrested everybody's handcuffed They let us go They took our patches transports the police station Las Vegas took our patches and let us go And we waited for indictments yeah I walked out. I was headed back to go get my motorcycle got Harris I wouldn't go back to the rent inside. I'm walking down the road with it Hell's angel t-shirt on and this girl on a shovel head a old shovel and motorcycle Pulled up and she said you a hells angel. I said yeah And she set back on her bike She goes Take me wherever you need to go And I said I'm going to Harris and I started it and I rode to Harris and I stopped I said I don't know what's going on down there, but thank you for the ride she goes you got anything I said I have nothing I still had this was army knife that she handed me out of her own pocket for a weapon wow Yeah, it does something That is fucking wild yeah, it's some like 19th century okay corral shit had a mirror for this army knife She said you got anything I said I don't have nothing I knew what she meant She knew I knew like she meant she had mirror for this army knife It's in my drawer at my at the rank today Yeah Today's episode is sponsored by prize picks the only daily fantasy sports app that I use to fire on sports action prize picks is going crazy with deals to start this football season Giving users a new promo code every single day during stack September Sign up now for guaranteed picks every Sunday plus profit boosts and daily discounts all month They seriously make it super easy to get in the game and win some money The app is simple you just pick two to six players then pick more or less on their projected stats Like pass yards rush yards and fantasy score You can make all the picks you want across any sport all in the same app It's the best way to get more locked in on game day for example I'm all in on Kenneth Walker He shared the backfield last year and was MVP and the Super Bowl But Seattle let him go he's with Kansas City now So I picked more on his rush yards projection for the entire season because I think he's on a mission He's my guy and he's on prize picks football is finally back and prize picks is bringing out their best offer yet New users who sign up get a hundred and fifty dollars in lineup if they win their first five dollar lineup That's right when you're first five dollar lineup and you'll get a hundred and fifty dollars in line-ups And how prize picks is available nationwide So what are you waiting for? 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It's all self-defense. Yeah. Yeah And the failed and all that yeah came out. It was on security footage. It was crazy You know, imagine the footage had to go through and we had a team put together You know that was pretty smart to go help our lawyers look through all that right you know and everything you know Came together on it put our money together and I wasn't about to do life. So I loaded up and made some connections and I took my dogs and made sure that they got across and my meal, my truck, and my horse, and I made some connections in Sonora, Mexico to help mountain line and bear for them big ranch from us down there through the Cattleman's Association. And I, a buddy of mine, Davey Cleveland helped me get to connection, to get to guide, to get my stuff across that could do it. And he met me at Wilcox Bowie at stockyards. And I put my eyes waiting on him and I unloaded Johnny Red, my big horse. It's in my book. And I put my unloaded the meal, got him a drink, let my dogs out, and this car pulls up. And with a lady in this Mexican gets out cowboy. And I, hey, you know, introduced myself and he nods. And I put the meal back in and my dogs. And he's the one that has the people and to know how to sneak get across. And me I was going to ride, took me three days to ride through the desert and across the mountains to sneak into Mexico to a place I already had prearranged to meet and work. I had myself said, if anybody could have run off to Mexico and go make a living horseback in those mountains and rode where no white man ever lived. I made a living and I had a good time. Sometimes I feel that I wish I'd have never come back. Yeah. You rode horseback? Yeah. Three days. Two nights and three days. ATF, US Marshalls, all of them knew I was on my run. They were hunting me. Helicopter came over. I was told on somebody had spotted me. And so you're sleeping in the mountains? What sleep I could get? Yeah. Underneath my horse. What century are you from? I mean, this is like some, as I say, I'll say I like the 60s. I'll say it like that. Okay, Carl. Yeah. We're the last wild boohic ox. That's right. We're last Billy the kids. Yeah. We're last true American. Here grows this world ever see. Some of throat horses and some of us wrote iron horses and some of us just did it backwards. Everywhere I went, my idealization, I could do it. I was good at it. When I picked horses, I could live it. I did. And I could survive it. And if I chose today to go home, saddle up, scaper to rifle, throw a little food on the back and a skillet in a coffee pot, I'd live a good life. How long did you spend in Mexico? Two and a half years. Yeah. Wow. Just just making a living. Working as a ranch hand. Hutton, mountain lions, and bears are getting paid for it within big ranches with my house. Yeah. Yeah. And you were just basically waiting to see if you were going to get done. Yeah. Well happening. Yeah. And then I made a, I made a contact. It's heck when you go do that, you know, and you're looking at, you just tell everybody, buy. You never say, you know, call my sister. You never see me again. Call Tom Dishon. My brother in life, my, my, my mentor, my, my, my pastor, my preacher, you know, that, that, that helped me find God, you know, that sent the box down there with everything that, you know, he could get it to me, that, that, that helped me, the Bible, the literature, the cassettes. And, you know, I, I was alone. I was by myself. But, uh, saying goodbye to all of them, and I never see you again, that's a hard thing to do. It was hard on my family than it was on me. Until later than I realized it, uh, what really family, God and PTSD and veterans and prisoners and addicts and everything, all they wanted, everyone to Johnny was three things. And it was what my book, Cut Free, will give to them. And what God could give to them. And that is love, forgiveness and respect. And that's what that cut free came from a knife. Cut free, a hell's angels ride to redemption by George and Joe B. Walters. So it was down in Mexico in these years that you really began to change. Oh, that's, yeah, yeah. You know, as a youngster grown up in rural Ohio, and rabbit squirrels going to church, mom, dad, drinking and, you know, family busting up an alcoholism, everybody lives, you know, and, and, and the people never had to live with you that life, you know, God bless them, you know, it was a hard one with lots of kids and all, but I had a gym teacher in high school. I played a lot of ball, you know, I was good at it. Baseball, you know, basketball. And he gave me a book called The Cross and Switch Blades. And, you know, about a pastor going to New York that, you know, is rescuing gangs, real gangs, gangs like I rode with, say club, you can say club all you want, you know, and yeah, we were a motorcycle club, but these guys were gangs and it was like, why would, you know, but the thrill of that embedded in this rural boy that when my dad put me on a bus on 1973, November 26th on my 17th birthday and shook my hand to send me to Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the first airborne said, be a man. When I came back from all that and I Germany and the drugs and everything that I've been through, I had no identity, I had no family and that's what sent me out on the road. And that scared me when he prayed over me on that book. When I read that book and he prayed over me, the Holy Ghost took a hold of me. I know what it is today. And it scared me to death. I had no help at home. I'm backing up. I had no help. My dad was a Bible thumper and you called Biber Thumper and you want, but I tell you what, it takes some bravo to be able to walk and to walk and Lord and to have faith and upon his grace follow him, you know, you can pull a trigger, turn the book open, see if you can follow that. That's really scary. Absolutely. You don't grow the wings on your back and a halo over your head, but there's going to be some things coming around. And he left me, the Lord left me. And after, you know, 40 years, let's just say, you know, I came to Hills, I was what, 48 years old, 49 years old. I was saying, yeah, and 40 years to, to that is when I'd had enough, I quit. Tom helped me. I'm hiding. I don't have nothing. And I come back and Tom helped me through that with that book and that literature. And I read it and I believed it. And the Lord helped me. And when I came back and got caught and turned myself in and all this and that, you know, I'm waiting for my lawyer in Las Vegas to talk about the rack, you know, the rack of tearing on the federal end. And I'm up there with all them, all them fires going on in Washington, Oregon and Idaho, back in '06, '07. I'm up there with a buddy of mine waiting for my lawyer to make a deal for me in Vegas, packing for hot shot firefighters down in Hell's Canyon with seven mules and riding them for 23 straight days, taking care of him. Here I am running from the government and I'm working for him. Got a heck of a paycheck from him too. You know, were you using fake IDs? No, I just never gave him my name because I worked for my other buddy off-pack station one. I had a fake ID down in Mexico. I had to, you know, when I got caught, they didn't get me for a false, you know, identity or robbery, you know, it was real, you know, I had Paul Anderson, but he might help me out. But down in Mexico, I bought a, through a friend in a similar book and got blessed him today. He got me to an official and said, what's your story? An official ask me, government official, I'm looking for some identification. I'm running from feds, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm on the line. And he said, he asked me, he says, so you need some paper. What's your story? I said, well, here's my story. I said, my mom was a gringa and belonging to the colonies down here way back. And so was my father. So that made them excellent in the colonies. They were white. I was born. When I was this big, they took me to Utah and I grew up as a Mormon, but I never learned Spanish. So I've came back to my roots. I may want to buy a ranch down here or something. So I got a legit birth certificate from the way of it. Casa Grande. I got a voter registration guard. I got a visa passport. I was, I included a Costa Rica on that passport to look at some Jaguar hunting down there. I driver's license. And as I had every, and my name was Tyree James Mendez. And they called me Ty. That's what the cowboys called me Ty. God bless Mexico. You can really just make a brand new start down. I did. From a government official. And $2,800. That's all it took. $2,800 bucks. And a government official. - Wonderful. So around this time as you're on the lamb, you know, I want to back up a little bit because Jay Dobbins, who we've had on this show, who was famous ATF agent, infamous ATF agent, who infiltrated the Hells Angels in Arizona and got really deep with them. He made contact with you while he was undercover. - Yes. - And actually made the introduction to us, he's the reason you're here today, (laughs) talk about your time with Jay Dobbins. - Jay Dobbins, how that all started, there was a solo angel showed up at Cave Creek, our new clubhouse from Tijuana and Hooper's talking to him and I, hey, I didn't know. And that was pretty cool. Well, what it was was this solo angel, he had a bad drug deal, go bad in Florida and he was looking at big, big times so he was turning for the feds. So the feds sent him to Arizona to start and get an introduction to the solo angels nomads, which was Jay, Pops, Timmy, and four or five other agents that were out in New Mexico, rocker, but that a nomad. But they lived in New Mexico for say, and here's my other three brothers from Texas, but we're all nomads. And that was what Jay came for his introduction. - So that was the backstory that he gave? - Yeah, well, the guy was getting more time, knocked off of him if he could get the ATF if he created into the hell's angels. And if this guy could make the introduction and his solo angel people over there didn't know, he was already got busted up and was hauled up and floored over these charges. It was all boom, hush, hush, it's just, you get these guys in, we'll not take care of you. And he did, he got him in. And Jay and him showed up at Mesa with Bad Bob and all of them, broke right up, introduction. Hey, hi, we're here and it flowed. - Well, why would you guys let a guy in like that who says that he's, you know, working his time off with the feds? - Well, we didn't know that. - Oh, I see. I see. Okay, so he brought up guys over. - Oh, yeah, he brought, he'd come to, he said, hey, man, I got these guys are solo angels and we've always had a good relationship with T1, the solo angels and San Diego and all that. Even the dirty doesn't. So Hoover knew the guy pretty. Yeah, you know, get him around. Let's see what they're like. And boy, today, play the game. I like them. I mean, right when they showed up, they were, and their rush was debt collectors and gun runners. For Mexico, debt collectors for the mob, done a little work here, even took Bobby patched in with me over to Las Vegas and stage a rush where they went in and did a debt collect for a mob guy and met him there and the mob guy told Bobby, yeah, you know, hey, if anything's happened to these guys, you're gonna have trouble with us. He's telling the hell's angel this is Jay, Jay's our man. He's our boy, you know, and Jay goes and takes a core vat away from a guy and eats his meal. And, you know, right there at the table with Bobby and gets in his wallet and takes all his money and said, you still owe us and, you know, we'll see you again. And he played that, you know, and he was that's, that's what his rush was. When I met him, I'm outdoored. Cowboy, you know, that's, that's what I was. I was a biking cowboy, you know, and we got along good. And I liked his demeanor and Timmy, you know, pops was a little wild. - And you never suspected him? - No, no, no, I went to Bob and at a party down and it was Purdue's anniversary's bad Bob, Mesa Charter. And then guys were hanging out close to them. That's where they was getting their dope and money. And, you know, here's the dope and got guns on us too. That's all law, you know, there's a bunch of stuff goes with that and they had all that on film while I was starting. I need, I need a number for Skull Valley. Me, Teddy, Bobby, Joey, Turtle, Rudy, and Randy got poor Randy. But anyway, I went to Bob there and at the Purdue and sat down with, I said, man, I said, I could sure, I could sure use those guys, you know, helped me up a fire, you know, and this and that. How about it, man? And what me and Bad Bob had going on, he said, for you, Joey, I'll do it. Okay, nice and with Teddy, we all appreciate it, you know? So I went to him and we had a thing to go in San Diego. I said, me just in San Diego and don't have him to go on the patches on no more. I'll have hang around patches ready for you when you get to San Diego. And if you don't show up, I'd better never see you again. But it's done. It's over. Take all that shit back to Rwanna. So me and Bobby arranged that and they showed up at San Diego and me and Bobby took him back behind the clubhouse there in the garden, sat down, said, here's your tags. They had brought other cucks and they became hang rounds for us first Skull Valley, you know? And I still doing, and they even said, hey, man, we could bring a lot of money to us, you know, with our gun running going on and, you know, our extortion and all this, you know? And I said, hey, man, as long as they got nothing to do, they don't, you know, that's cool. You know, we don't, we don't like that, you know? So, and then it came up. We were up in Williams. And Jay Burke came over to me and said, hey, man, we got a problem down south. So what's the deal? Well, a guy down there, a mongrel's kind of suppin over our turf and he's bragging up down there. He's one, he was one shot fastest. - Okay. - And that just nerfed me. - I think I killed your friend, Ed Loughlin. - Ed Loughlin, he said, yeah, he's bragging up that he doesn't want to kill that. No mad president is like he said that. And he said, we got gunna take care of this. I said, I tell you what, I said, here. And I went to my bike and I had a dirty gun. Didn't have any numbers in the history for whatever. And I said, it didn't dawn on me. I mean, I was running guns. Why do I, but I did. You know, and I look at it right now, like, you know, maybe I should have looked at it a little closer. Or maybe I shouldn't have. And I said, here, I said, I'll tell you what. I said, when you, why don't you just find this cat? Let me know and I'll come down. I said, I got kind of a, I like to take care of that, 'cause what he did to my friend, you know, my brother. He still felt that vengeance. Absolutely. With all of them, all of them. I told him you might not want to run with me in front of the court, judged at a traffic light. It's on, it's on. That's how I felt. I was mad about it. And I felt that I couldn't be touched over it, you know. Anyway, they went, they left. And it wasn't a next two days we got a call that pops had blue head gasket down there. And that's the code for dead. Blue head gasket on his bike. Whose pops? Popps was the confidential informant that could do all the dope and drink the beer. And, you know, he was on it, got away with all of it. You know, if anybody can snort up something in front of all three of them, he's going to do it, you know. And then they'd say, man, I'm filled up on Zanex. I don't need any more, you know. That was their Tim, Timian, Jay Dobin's talk. But Doc, he's two right there. He could, he could get away with it, right? So we heard about that. And I got a whole to sunny about it. And he says, tell them to leave that body down there. I said, yeah, I said, I imagine we already know that. So we're waiting for him to get back. They're coming back across. And we get a call, all of us at the clubhouse there. And we met him at our RV. They had an RV parked there at Chino Valley that they were out of and had a house down at Bluehead that they were supposedly, but it's another cover house. Been there a couple of times. I always wondered why they didn't have any dishes or bedding or anything, but, you know, you know. And when we walked into the trailer, Jay was nervous, which I could understand why. And he'd been smoking. Jay don't smoke that much. But he'd been chain smoking. Teddy chain smoke. And he had a folder and he handed it to me and big envelope. And inside of it was a cut. And I pulled it out. And there was pictures inside of it. And another envelope with pictures. And I looked at it was a mongol cut. And it had some cut marks where you'd been cut off a body. And it was stiff with blood. And I said, wow. And Bobby looked at it and Rudy. We opened up the papers and showed the body. You know, the mongol set up and the shallow grave and the organs that were supposed to be brain matter and the blood. And the cut was still on it. They'd cut it off afterwards. He said, yeah, I said, we did him. We just went in and cut it off of him. And Timmy did him in with a ball bat. And they went ahead and put a bullet in him, you know, said all this, you know, Timmy's wanted to beat him up. Timmy liked a ball bat. And this was, you looked at the picture and it was the guy. It was just staged. It was a, but it was in fact, the guy that killed your friend. No, it was all staged. It was an agent. They'd done that right outside the desert during Phoenix. They staged all that right there. We found out of course later in the news. But it was supposed to be the guy that you were looking for. You look at it right there with the photos and everything. Then guys, guys did work, man. Proud of him. And it couldn't, you couldn't tell because he was so mangled. Everything about it was real. It was real. That's why it made me laugh one time. Not at you, George Christie. But when Jay and him are talking and Jay mentioned that and George piped it out, it caught on to that right away. You just don't send stuff over to me. Oh, shit. Excuse me, Lord, you know, but that was, it was like, man, you know, you're in, you know, you done work. Did you feel good? Did you feel? I was odd. Yeah. Like vengeance was, was taken. Yeah. Yeah. I said, okay, let's go get rid of this. We'll meet you guys at the bar. I had a little crowd outside of Chino where I staged, go hunting on the section of mountains over there when I lived in Skull Valley. So I had a barrel over there in the crowd. So let's just buzz over there and we'll burn this, you know, in the evidence and everything in the pictures. And also me and Timmy and Bird got in their pickup. And because we went there and Teddy's woman's car knocked to attract attention with motorcycle. And they were going to the bar that we had, which was the top of his joint, but you could come in and drink during the day, bar bar, starting if he's going to meet a man. And we were cutting it and scissors nice. And we was cutting that longer patch up, started to fire in that little bar and we pitched it in there. And I said, man, I don't care what they say, Jay, you know, I took my cut off. I said, turn around, brother. I said, you're a hell of a angel. My eyes. And I said, look, Timmy and I said, and Teddy's got an old one. I know fit you that he had net wreck. And Jay spun, took it and spun, spun back at me. He says, look at that. I want my home. I worked for my own. And Timmy said, and that's the way I ride to. And Jay had it back to me. You want to do that? He said, I did work for mine. I want my own. I said, I'll get that for you, man. I'll do, I'll hit the road. And it burnt out up and went to the bar. And next day I set out on the road, called Teddy, and I was going to go to see Sonny, lay him in on what was going on in Burdew. I was going to go talk to them and day go and George and Oakland. I was going to make Circle the big shots and say, hey, you know, he's got done some work. Wait, wait, a mandatory year. I'm a pack for me. I'm going to buff it to West Coast meeting over it. And I know who to talk to. I, you know, I wasn't going to go into a whole meeting and say, hey, we've got a guy. It's just black to bunch. You know, I knew what I was doing. But when I got down to Sonny, I was telling him about it and I hit me. I said, Sonny, that wasn't human blood, man. He said, what? I said, hit me because something was going on in my head right there when we was doing that. But it didn't register because I'm thinking of everything else, but it registered right there when I said, yeah, we burnt that. It wasn't the acid iron, physical, human blood. I've smelled blood before. I've cooked more meat over an open fire. Let it be a steak and alka deer. I outline a bear. I know what wild game blood smelled like. That were wild game blood and hit me right there at Sonny's. He said, you sure? I said, I'm sure and I grabbed my phone. I called Bobby. And I said, Hey, Bobby, I said, uh, where's him guys? Hey, he said, what they called him? Said they didn't want to watch the gate. Want to know if you were on the road. I said, call him and tell him to get there. I said, this is wrong, man. He says, me and Teddy think something's going on too. I said, I'll be right back. When I got there, they're supposed to call him to tell him to be there. They weren't there. I said, where that said, we can't find them. The old ladies called their old ladies, which were ATF H, their girlfriends undercover. All the phones had shut off. I thought, I'll be down. I said, that blood wasn't real, man. They said, yeah. And Bobby looked, said, I looked at Teddy and said, do you think, you know, what I'm thinking, you're thinking that I'm thinking that they might be cops because they, when they, you know, and I thought better get a state meeting. We did all the, all the hauntos, the whole state come up to Skull Valley, up here at Chino Valley. And we found two bugs in the room, clearing the room. Yeah, because they was in there, putting support merchandise together and everything, you know. And we found two bugs. Bobby found them. We squashed them. And everybody showed up and Teddy said, tell them. And I said, anybody just had any dealings with pops, Timmy or Jay Dobbins. I said, we think they're feds and get ready for conspiracy. And four days later, we were rated holy shit. Yeah. And a Joe Patea, his handler came up and he was sitting outside there. They were all masked up, but Joe wasn't. I'm Joe Pozo. He was, Jay's handler. He said, I think we got a war for you, Joby. I said, I'm sure you do. For you do. Yeah. And that was when you know that Vogue or the banditos were going to take off. And I called Jay and Timmy up, pops and said, bring your stuff. We got to go to Vegas. They come in the car, had their had their bag with their guns and their flat vest and armor and what's going on. I was a little reading the Louis little more sack of book on the way there. I said, band's going to show up. There's going to be a problem. It'll probably escalate into a gun fight. So we need to be ready. And we drove over there and he was able to get a hold. Timmy was going to make a call. I thought it was Jay made to call. And Timmy had got in the bathroom. I said, okay, why was the armor enough? Said, hey man, we're in a bad jam. You know, Joby's over here to take it to the band. And I didn't say I'm shooting off for bikes. I don't know. I'm just going to jump in there. Let's just fight and get her done. There was other club members there. We had some support guys. I mean, our numbers weren't weak. But they stopped 25 and Metro. Joe got a hold of Metro and stopped like I think 25 of them from four blocks out and rattled them some bad that they didn't show up. But J&M showed face, man. They were there. They were there for it. They were going to do it. They were prepared, armoured up, had her gear. And showed, you know, they were that. I was able to ask Jay on our conversations. I said, Jay, I got to ask you this man. If I would have dove in there on the first bike and took him off of it, fight and stand whatever. And it went into a gun fight or I would have pulled a gun or something. Would you have shot me? Would you have stopped me? I'd always wondered that. And Jay said, no, he says, I'd really never give it a thought. But if it would have went off, it probably pups and rounds into the ground or, you know, made, you know, there's something like that is what Jay told me. But I was wondering, I thought, wonder, fate, you know, here comes Joe, be healed, ready to do it and fate, a fate of shot me. So that happened obviously before the fake murderous. I went back, you know, just a way they played it. Brilliant. What they did. And Jay today, you know, he really helped a log in my book. I contacted him. He's a man of God, you know, he always had God in his life. But he went through a lot. He went through losing his family just about like I did. He lost an identity. He lost a trust of the ATF, like I lost a trust of the hell's angels. We both went through a thing that a little life turmoil there that, you know, what I didn't, I, what do we identify now as what horizon do we chase today? Mine led to God. And it brought God to bring Jay to me to help me with this, to understand this. And to put that, I have no dialogue with the club. Don't care too. I'm done. I went to prison on my own. I'm not here to brow beat them. I just know that there's a different life. And what you're chasing out there and what you're identifying. when you're back to die for isn't, you won't like the ending. You won't like the ending and you're afraid. You're afraid. There's people out there who are afraid to walk away from that. Not necessarily even an identity, but a fear. Well, I'm not scared because I didn't, I didn't do nothing to them, but tell them that you weren't there for me when I needed you. And today I look back on it. I, uh, would I do something different? Heck, yeah. I'd have never joined that club. I never would. I've found God's sinner in my life and what He's done for me today and what He's about to do for people through this book, through my talks. That's, that's real. To me, that's truth. So the indictments come. Oh, boy. Did you, first of all, were the, the heads, sunny, George, etc. Were they, did they blame you for bringing Jay and all of them? Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no. They brain, they blame Bob took it. Bad Bob took to Brown. Now that. A man dedicated to it, loved it, had family, but it was a club to him. It wasn't that even dirty dozen. Heck, yeah, never held razor. Do, do, do, know this, you know, but, you know, you cleaned up the, the, the hell's angels cleaned things up a little bit and, and, and if you to said bad Bob, it's your family or the club, Bob would have had the colors to him when home, you know, and they hung it all out on him. They, you're the one that brought him around. You're the one that didn't vat him good enough and this and that, you know, and that was, that was too bad for him. It really was. So what became of bad Bob? He walked, you know, he's back, you know, I heard about him. He said, hi to me through somebody here not long ago. You know, just walked away. Did he cooperate? Oh, no, no, no. I don't know. I laughed at him because anything I ever said to him where he knew something about that you're shaking her head, you know, like, tell us something. I don't tell you, you know, I don't have not done it. You know, it was funny, but through, through all that, we had a member in cave creek that just got out of prison, dirty Dan, wired 38 times, 38 meetings. He was wired. They got to him and he was a badass. He come out of prison. We helped him did some bike nights for him to get some money together, getting back up and he got busted for dope and there's no running there dope or possession farm or something maybe both anyway and never even heard about it. Hey, you're going, you're going to go into these meetings wired and he went into a bunch of meetings wired. I never listened to any wires or anything. I don't know what he had said. And we were pretty careful about meetings, you know, you know, you don't, you don't show your whole hand sometimes, you know, and some people don't know what the other one's doing. And that's better sometimes, you know, the Bravo. A real man don't need no Bravo. He needs to take care of business. So what were the indictments who was named in it and what were the charges? I can't remember all of them, Johnny. I can't, you know, a lot. Oh boy. Yeah, I mean, mine was racketeering, enhancements, criminal street gang, rioting, conspiracies to commit murder, to other outlaw, motorcycle club members, my wiretaps for phone is not your friend. I had one Reno Hills angel telling me he said, dang, jovy, which I said, I thought I'd say no on the right phone. What are we talking about? Oh, stuff bodies could have been where who want or, you know, just a lot of stupid stuff, man, a lot of stupid stuff. But why don't we get along? And then the Mongol obviously the setup that was conspiracy to commit murder or what was the charge there on them killing him. Yeah, that that that really didn't flow over. That was just credibility to them. That was that was the credibility for the infiltration. That's all that scored. And so when you guys made them, when you realized that, oh, wait, that's fake blood. These are fake. Oh, yeah, then everything came. That's what they said, all the Mesa selling the dope with a gun. I mean, that's a law, you know, theft, you know, guns that were stolen and dealing dope and conspiracies, you know, and just a whole bunch of stuff come out in that. And these are from on members from Arizona or California all over all over. I mean, even the ones that carried, you know, through the lawful incident went all the way from back east to Cleveland, Ohio. I mean, there was a little guy. I love the man. He's a little guy. His brother was a Hellsangron. He may hellsangron. He was cool, dude, man. He was he's a 10 hour trying to stab him with a number five hard pencil. You know, that's that's what he took to war with him in there with a pencil. And they was getting him for tempted murder with a pencil. Right. They rated everybody. When that went off, every it was all coincided. Did Sonny go down in that? No. No. Right. He wasn't there. And what about you? What were the what were the main, what was the best evidence they had against you for the charges that they laid on you riding and conspiracy scrimmage from from the riot or from other stuff going through from the riot on. Yeah, I mean, that isn't where it stopped. That's where it started, you know, and then weren't even I mean, I shook his hand somewhere along the line and didn't even I didn't care who he was because we fixed him to get into it and then you go one more year into that, you know, and I was trying to I was wanting to stay busy. You wanted some heads. I was mad. I was mad. Shouldn't have. So what? How did this all play out? They arrest you? Dozens of other people? Yeah. Does other people have been six months federal on fair to abide by pre-travelies and then the Vago thing riding. I did two and a half year state through all that combination was my fleet to Mexico. And then they didn't back me up. So I quit. I didn't even know I had a worn out for me. I was headed back to Mexico after I quit the club, not running from the club. I was going back to what I there was a ranch down there that even offense told me, heck, we'll buy it for you. Tell us anything. And I was wanting to go back down there and I had a buddy of mine in Vegas was going to come with $165,000 and I was going to go buy this 125 cow outfit and go down there and live a life. You'll be a little senior reading. Go back to the mountains where I belong. Yeah. You know, love the place. It spent time on it, hunted on it, found it. And I'm going, I'm down there waiting on the money to show ready to go across the border after quitting the club. I'm done with this even called brother down and two son there max max cosine to bite for me when I got out of that federal prison, you know, and I give it back called max and I said, we all right, bud. He said, Joby, we laughed at your paperwork, man. You know, you flim flammed and that's what son he told the west coast. He'll be flimflammed. I mean, and tell him nothing. He wants his bail down so he could run to Mexico. You liked it down there. Rats don't do what Joby's done. Okay, so you gave him info, fake info to get out, to get your bail down so you could get out and flee to Mexico. Yeah, go buy. And then so you're down there. I'm down there at all for I am Douglas waiting on my money and I got a little place I rented to put my truck my dogs and my horses and you know, I'm ready to, you know, Johnny Johnson to find each ranch, you know, hey brother, I'm going to get out of your ranch. I'm a back guy ball. I'm done with this. You're going to be done with the United States. Oh yeah, I've just done, you know, I've gotten my heart man. I said, yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to do Joby stuff, you know, we're back to back to the hills, back to my eye on it, you know, the cowboy, you know. And I was pulling into a restaurant. I ate and at and they swore me undercover cops guns out, you know, on the ground. I said, for you and no other son of a gun do I need a four. So they put me there. Where's your pack? So I didn't do nothing to do with that no more man. Nothing to do with that no more. And that's when they flew me back. They thought, you know, gang task. So okay, you know, we can get you that and what we're going to do. So I was going back down there and, you know, I'm done doing the club no more. I'm not saying how they find you. We'll get you that place down there, you know. How do they, how do they find you? So I'm going to give you up. No, I hadn't given the bike up yet. And the war came out and then here I am in Douglas on this bike over here out of this lot and they ran to play. It was this guy. He's been around here for two or three days now. He's over here, goes over here and they ran to play and they Joe will be over. We found him. We got him down here. We'll get him. We'll fly down there and get him. They wanted me back. Yeah, when they fly down to get you usually they say send him up when you have time. They're gonna get you and they want you. Yeah, they flew. They flew down there and got me. Oh, so now your goose is cooked. No, yeah. I thought that but no, I didn't tell. So what were you looking at? Obviously forever. Oh gosh, yes. Oh, yeah. I was with all of it. Yeah. I didn't want to back. But when I went, I got two and a half years. I thought I was gonna do eight to 18 on that one. I beat you 80 some with the rack of tearing stuff and the judge in the courtroom, Eric Kingman, I'd played softball against him. You know, I knew everybody came and I had Kingman. So this was in a federal court? No, this was state. Okay. That's what I asked the guys when they arrested me. I said, is state or federal? I think it's state. That's well, I know what that's about. The boggles. All gangtags was mad. They couldn't show up over there. Kingman, boyhead police showed up over there to confront that. I scared of him. I got a fish fought down. And gangtags showed up at my door saying, you know, they're coming. And if we would have been down there, I said, if you'd have been down there, it would have been any different. You know, we had a fought you too. You know, he said, Joby, you know, they're coming. I said, yeah, I know they're coming. I'm about fed up with this. That's when it all came to a head. And I did judge. He said, I stopped the whole proceeding. When I vlogger and everything. Here's a prosecutor and gangtags thinking they got somebody that's going and I looked at the judge and I said, I tell you what? And there were three hells angels in the back dress like we are today. And I turned around and I said, look, I said, I'm going to prison by myself. Leave me alone. I'm done. And I turned around to the judge and called and I said, if you can sentence me today, I'll take it. He says, well, I can't do that today, Joby. But I'll tell you this. He says, you were in a no-win situation from the get go. And I knew I hadn't won. So when I went to jail and I got sentenced and walked in there with a Bible, I took the Lord of prison with me. I didn't find him in there. And that's my life, man. What were you sentenced to? Got Buckeye. For what? Riding, riding assault, assault within tent, to do bodily harm and scaring people. People are going to jump off that balcony and to rocks to get away from us. I didn't want to hurt nobody ever again. Well, I don't understand is how you beat all of these federal charges. That's what doesn't make sense to me. Look, I know that they messed it up. Everybody got off on it. Right. So talk about that. They spent all this money to get folks ready. You guys, when I come back and I find out all these on a phone call on a Mason, Sonora, Mexico, and my nephew, who I make a call to, says, you lucky YAMF son of a gun, God's with you, man. They dropped all the charges against you guys. Kyle's taken a rap for five and they didn't, that's, yes, what happened to Jay. They didn't bring in all the tapes and evidence and they wouldn't display them. They wouldn't bring them out. And we asked for them and they didn't so they had to throw it out. All that money, all Jay put his life out there for and everything. And then Jay's house gets set on fire and the fed stinks. He done it to himself to get help or get a new home and he just, his brotherhood left him high and dry. That is amazing. It is. I make that call to spa Bob on that Mason, that Mexican cell phone. And I said, hey, it's me. And the first thing came out of his mouth was, I don't care where you're at. And I don't want to know. But we think we can, Sonny thinks we can get you out of this. I said, I'll be in touch. I'll call my lawyer. I called Todd Levin Thal in Las Vegas. I said, hey, Todd, this is Jobi. He gagged. I said, you all right. We thought you were dead, man. We thought either the Mongols killed you or the hell's angel skilled you one or the other. I said, no, I said, you know, we come back across and see what we can do. I can. And if I can get out of this. And that's when I went, come back and I, I did my two and a half years. And when I got out, I preached on the yard and had a great time. I tried to, tried to convince the Serenios and the Pecker Woods and the Arians and the Norton News and all of them that they could leave their guys to a better life than what we have in politics and prisons today, you know. And I found out, you know, preaching in there that that's, you know, what prisoners are looking for when they look for escape. And that's what I was telling. They're looking for love and forgiveness and respect. Well, they got up and walked away from me. And then it came to me and said, the Serenios said, hey, you know, you're preaching to our guys. I said, I don't need all for no, man. I'll talk to you. I want to talk to you. They said, well, come actually. I said, I'll tell you what, let's just get her done. I said, just get one of your boys and we had a place over there behind the little buckment where the fountains were on the phone for that if you squared off back there, you had a pretty good little square off area. I said, I'll bring one. I'll fight for God and I threw hands for Lord in there. I want, I said, the winter stays on the yard. And the whistle, they tried to sneak the youngster out. They broke my wrist because his head didn't give against a concrete. I snapped my wrist, but I had him. So I got it done. And they gathered him up and tried to sneak him off the yard. And of course, he got caught, whistles blue. Here comes the guards. Everybody up against the fence, shirts off, hands out. They want to see grabbed marks, busted knuckles. And I'm dotted up and I didn't get out of it with nothing. Kid was tough. Been pumping hard on that guard. You know, I was just ordinary, you know. And I remember that guard looking. He said, Oh, gee, old gangster. Well, you're doing beating up on these youngsters. I said, man, it's so cool, man. You can bring him back on the yard. You know, and I said, it's all good. So we went, I went to the hole for a while. And I got out and Johnny Johnson, my savior came here up at the ranch. He was there for me. You know, Dale Welsh, Mike Riddle, you know, a good woman. Sue, Sue Williams, Hancock, who run, who run the prison probation. Her last name was Hancockers, Horses name Hancock. And I saw that and I mentioned it. I said, yeah, I do. I went back and stuff like that. She said, what are you doing in here? I said, I was a hell's angel. Got in trouble. And she saved me. She'd come out there. I got an argument with my PO and she'd come out and said, Mr. Walter, when did you get out? I said, three days ago, and this guy's an asshole. Excuse me, Lord. And she says, come in here. And she punched a few numbers and said, when do you want to go to the ranch? I said, tonight, your probation, you know, and she says, if I need you, I'll call you and call me once a week. Have fun. I said, God bless you. That was. It's just incredible. I mean, that is really as God's intervention. You guys are looking at, you guys are looking at federal, Rico mandatory 30 years life with no parole. All of it. And everybody, half a million dollar bail, half a million dollar bail and get it down to $50,000. And a brother comes to you, a buddy and says, here, I'll get you out because they're trying to flimflare me. I said, Eric, Eric Frye, Las Vegas, you know, I built houses for him. He came up there with 50,000 cash and handled it to him. And I said, Eric, you'll never see it. He says, I don't need to, brother. I don't need to. Good luck. That's gangster. Yeah. You were running. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. He wanted me to. He should get out of here. But at the end of the day, everybody basically walked. Everybody walked. Yeah. Good for you, guys. Absolutely. Good for you, guys. I'll say that and I'll stand on that. Okay. Oh, you will. You know, so it's after the federal jump is when the state thing happened. Yeah. And then you go and you do another, do you said two and a half year, two and a half in Arizona, Stanford. Yeah. Six months of Florence. I was at the walls. Oh, so he said, well, I got out wet right back in the mix. Man, if you ever do anything bad, make it a federal route, because you got a, you got a milk machine. You can go to the whole day long. You know, Sarah's on a state prison. Oh, my gosh, man. Talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a bad spot. And the conditions are horrible. Yeah. They're terrible. You know, everything about it. You know, I'm trying to get, my book's going into some British ministry. We've got some real good contacts on that to get that book. You know, to have people buy for the prisoner, you know? And out there where they can purchase it and get it and see it. And you know, and I have a life and I have an identity. I know that there isn't hope in her faith. And that's that's what my words about. It's from a knife that I occurred that cut me free a few times from from some hard times. And the word cut free is to be able to cut free people from their hard times too. And to end that, I'll say it like this, God, Johnny, is I don't have what you need. But I know who does. And his name is Jesus, man. You know, I remember that's where I'm at today. Um, I just want to because people might want to know what happened to Sonny Barger. Could you talk about that really? I'm not awful. I know I tried to reach out to him, but I couldn't. He was, uh, of course, he was mad. You know, he helped me get out of that old bandito issue, you know, when they got mad at me, we had a talk with him. You know, hey, you know, you do something wrong. What do you know? What if I put basically what he told Junior was what if I put seven hells angels in Austin, Texas, with Texan bottom rockers? You're going to have a problem with that. And the answer was, well, heck yeah. He said, well, Joby had a problem with you guys coming in a battle with the Nevada bottom rockers. All plays out the same game, man. So we had peace with that. But he was upset with you for leaving, obviously. Yeah, the way I did. And I, I, uh, I tried to reach out to him, you know, I had, I lost a friend right there, not a brother, not a brother. I know what brotherhood is, but I know what a friend is too. And I'll tell you what, I'll call them three men friends before I'll call him brother. If you know what I mean, son, you were a friend, a real one. He's the man you call at three o'clock in the morning or at one thirty in the morning. And he's lacing up your boots. He's lacing his boots up before you tell him what's going on. That's friend. He's a real one. You darn right. I, I had a lot of admiration for you, but a lot of time with him, a lot of knowledge with him of life, not club stuff. Just, I mean, look at the people he knew, but we never got into that. We got into regular motorcycle over the road. Call me up one time. It's coming from London, England, went over there for, see some people have fun. You know, did, uh, Mertle Beach with my mechanical boy had a pocket full of money with the, called Bobby said, hey, meet me in New York. I'm flying, oh, flying us to France to the world run. Frank trivia. Come on, Bobby, I got a bunch of money. You know, fuck you get a mechanical bull. I need to take it over there. We was going to take it to London to the Bulldog Bash. They were going to shift it over there. But we, you know, and I come back and I'm going up to Laconia. And I meet Doc who was the beginning of the starting of my book because he knew the lifestyle. He knew me. He knew the language. And I met him up there. Well, I'm on my way back. And, uh, I call and I put a buddy of mine, my nephew in the truck and trailer. I'm going to ride, you know, so I go to Long Island and I'm going to go to Kentucky and I shoot right through Pagan Country. I care, you know, I asked to play across there. I was just ride through there at nothing. I wasn't afraid of them, you know, get shot off my bike. I hope that get a few rounds off, you know, and Sonny called me when I was leaving Kentucky. And he said, you on your way back and he said, yeah, he said, you coming, you coming across 40? Yeah, what's up? He said, uh, a parent, quote, back, uh, there was a club that warded with the Hell's Angels. Um, oh, my goodness. Why don't I know, um, the Canadians, um, they were down and they wanted to become banditos. So the banditos became went up there and packed them with them guys to come banditos. And there was a war up there in Ontario and all across there and go back that had 177 people killed and bombs and, uh, and, uh, I'm going to say the name and I'm going to come back to you so you can put it in. Um, what was the name? It's a big bike or war. My gosh. Anyway, they were down there visiting the banditos a bunch of them. And Sonny said, there's a bunch of them rock machine. bunch of the rock machine or an Albuquerque. And if they see you, Joby, they'll try to kill you. Be careful coming through there. So I had two magazines. My shirt tail out with my patch on. And I didn't, I didn't go very fast throughout the curking. Just floated right on through, like I always did. You know, that would have been a story, wouldn't it? Right. Yeah. He's, but Sonny called me, said to rock machine or an Albuquerque. And if they see you, they'll try to kill you. That's okay. So, and what was Sonny's fate? Cancer. I believe he died in prison. No. No. When all this stuff went down and everything and Arizona succumbed, Arizona, hell's angels succumbed to the invasion of the Mongols and the Voggles and the banditos. And even some pagans in Tucson, spa Bob's boy, the president of the Cave Creek and Cave Creek was pretty much a leader of Arizona with Sonny and all them there. Got shot off his motorcycle from the Mongols. They went by a clubhouse him in a few Californians, some hangarounds down the street from 19th Avenue in Bell and throw some shots at the Mongols clubhouse. And then Drogo rode away, headed back to the post-time bar. Well, the Mongols come out, jumped in a cage and shot one California and an associate off their bike didn't kill them, but killed spa Bob's son right there at the traffic light. And there was no retaliation. And Sonny said, what I heard he said was, I'm going back to Oakland where there's real hell's angels. And Sonny moved back to Oakland. If you're on the angel went back with him and things, you know, and I was out then, I mean, that's through the years, you know, and Sonny died three years ago. I think it was June of cancer. There was over 7,000 people at the race track up there in northern California to seem and every outlaw motorcycle club member from just about worldwide made a presence to say by to Sonny Bargur. How did you feel when you heard the news? I cried. I cried. Yeah. It sad losing a friend in this life and when they pass. Yeah. He had made a good Christian. He would have, you know, but yeah, that's something that's a friendship, but not a brotherhood, but that's friendship I'll never forget. And I'm I'm I'm there. There was no other way but to stand in front of him and say, I'm done with this and I don't need it no more. And I'm finished and I I'm tired of fighting into killing and I walked. And it was hard to do that to walk away from that man knowing that this is going to come back on me in a way that I'll never be able to speak to him again. And I tried once, but it never happened. And the man who introduced you guys who originally brought you in. Hoover. Hoover. You said he was shot by the government. Yeah. Yeah. I was in Kingman up there at my place in Kingman. And I got a call from Bobby practically midnight. And they were at Burnett's, Bernice's bar there at Bell and Cave Creek Road, Union Hills and Cave Creek Road. And they'd all come out to get on their bikes to go, you know, and Hoover. Cowboy said he looked over and Hoover, a blood went like that and Hoover slumped over and fell and his girl getting on the back road. And they jumped up think, you know, what happened? They have a heart attack or what? And they saw the blood nighttime motorcycles roar and get ready to go. Other guys are going to peel off here to go with sunny out there to care for you. High way to go with him. Other's going to clubhouse was the word. And Hoover was snipered at midnight midnight 15 minutes or so right there in that parking lot. And tried to find out the shot came across. It's in my book. I'll let you read. I'll let you grab read that in my book if you don't mind. I looked into it and I tried to find where your shot might have come from and everything. It was it was a set up. It wasn't a dry buy. You couldn't have done that with a dry buy. It was a sniper shot. Yes, sir. I think it was the feds. Hoover was dating a girl and her brother was a sniper for a SWAT team out of Flagstaff. How you like hearing that out there? And that murder still unsolved. That murder still unsolved. Hadubin. Who else? I don't know. That's what sunny said. It was the feds. Hoover wanted peace, man. That's all I ever wanted. He didn't want these wars. He didn't want these fights. He tried to talk to the main man of the outlaws to say, "Hey, you know, but we don't have a guy on that guy's level. We don't have that national national national that talks to the national." We don't have that. We got one man on one vote, just like Sonny. He ain't going to make things change. He's got a vote on it too. And Hoover tried to talk to those type of people and say, "Hey, you know, we need peace just like George Christie." And Sonny said to Peeley, I think, on your broadcast one time, but the war with the outlaws that's been going on since when ever. I mean, every peace treaty that was broke was broke by us with the outlaws, not them breaking it with it. You know, we broke it. So once it got a brain, you know, what gangsters, technology, drug trade, you hear it all. It's hard to tell what's true anymore, you know. But then you got to him guys out there that all he wanted to do was, you know, the old school guys just drove that sleet and bag on with a good pad and ride down a road with three days worth of jeans and, you know, get on and ride another day. It's exciting, you know. That's enviable for most people that will never live like that, especially now. Especially now. But you don't have that. You go back to the 70s to 60s, the air turned into the 80s, man. You know, I saw it happen. But before that, oh my goodness, man. Yeah. Well, I think the government, you know, to justify their budgets and their job, I think they do kick up a lot of the violence, especially between outlaw clubs. Guaranteed. Yeah. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Yeah. They're going to say just politics is politics, man. I mean, they do it on the highest level. Yeah. It's no matter if you're going to listen to CNN or newsmax, both of them's going to be different on the same subject. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's promise. Joey, man, what a, what an honor and a privilege to sit down with you. This was truly amazing to hear your story. So I want everybody to go get his book Cut Free. The link will be in the description and in the pin comment, a hell's angels ride the redemption. I can't wait to crack into this and go to www.jobywalters.com and I'll lead you through all of it and where I'm at and get on board. You want to see it? You want to talk to me? You want me anywhere? You know, if he says me, I'm coming. You want you to teach me how to ride and shoot, man. I tell you what? My door's open up there. All right. Okay. You ever get out towards Arizona? I got some good horses, good hounds. I ain't that far, man. No, no, it's not that far at all. That's it. And it's a blessing. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Joey. I appreciate it. You got it, man. All right. You guys will see you next time. The great Joey Walters Cut Free. Go check it out. Take care.