So banging on your door. You know what? I don't know what's going on here. The hotel we're staying in is actually a pretty good hotel. But there's been a lot of strange banging here. Like if you're somebody that doesn't handle weird noises or gets freaked out in hotels, you would not like this. Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast. Dom Elliott and Kyle back with you once again. And Elliott, my man, I am sure Tim Stutzler's personal chef cooked him up a marvelous meal at home on Tuesday night. I would not dispute that for a second. However, I can also guarantee that whatever he had the night before would pale in comparison to the five course, Michelin Star rated Bonanza. We were all treated to Wednesday night in the nation's capital for Brady Kachuck's return. His first game back there as a member of the Florida Panthers from the chanting to what we saw on the ice, the celebration after the fact Mr. Brightside playing in the Senator's room, all of it. I'm sure it was a very cathartic experience for a lot of people in that building on Wednesday night, Elliott, and one of the early games in the year, one of the early games of the year by a long shot. Where would you like to start with that event, sir? Let me just say, everyone here, and I mean everyone, should take a bow. You all deserve a standing ovation multiple curtain calls. Kyle, I was mad when I saw that this game was not on sports net schedule. That we weren't broadcasting this one. As I watched it, I did a slow burn until I boiled over. How fantastic would it have been to broadcast this game? So good, so good. Because you know, and leading up to puck drop on Wednesday, there was that small cynical thought in the back of my mind of, what if all the hype, the intrigue coming in? What if what we see doesn't match? What if it becomes a nothing burger? Maybe there's some eye emotion the first five, seven minutes of the game. They blew the welcome back video, and then it becomes just another hockey game. That was not the case. I think it blew all of that out of the water. And in talking to someone who was there on Wednesday night, Elliott, they said the most impressive part for them was that crowd. They kept, they kept that level the entire night. There was no drop off from the various chance. And also the fact that Brady at a certain point just goes, I'm going to embrace the villain role here. It was all great television. Great theater. So to me, the standard bearer for haterism in a return game is Tavaris back to Long Island. Yes. The Islander's fans set a standard at that game. And then the Islander's clobbered the Leafs that night. That was the hate game. And I think we all feel hate is good for sports. Hate works. Hate. You saw that Paul Marie's sport in the morning? Yeah, 100%. I have to say, Ottawa's fans, I agree with you. They reached the bar. They jumped over the bar. They pulled vaulted over the bar. So I was at the Danny Heatley return game. And I remember leaving that game his first game back as a San Jose shark when he went to Ottawa. I remember being at that game and being underwhelmed at the response. I remember leaving I was kind of disappointed. And I remember I was at Vince Carter's return game to Toronto. And there was some hate there that night. They were really on them. But I was like, wasn't anything that I would look back when my career was over and said they made it an overly rough ride. This one I think we're all going to remember. And it always brings me back to the Anthony Stewart line. Are you a team or are you a club? Ottawa Sanders showed that they were a team. This was a big one for their fans and it was a big one for them. And when Brady scored early, that game could have gone sideways. You know, everybody could have been like, oh, oh, like the very mature Panthers, they're going to handle this. Brady just scored. They're going to weather the storm and they're going to be okay. And Ottawa was like, no, that's not happening here. But we are defending our turf. This is our house. And we are not allowing this to happen here. And you know, if you're in Vancouver, and you've got Queen Hughes coming back this week, or you're in Woodpeg and whenever Connor Hellowbach returns as a member of another team, you know, all of these fans are going to be like, this is the gauntlet that was thrown down on us. Now, I looked, they lost, but I love the way that Kachak handled the booing during the video. And I love the way he handled the post game. They were ruthless. When I look at these things, it's like, never let them see you sweat. And that had to, I don't think the booing during the video would bother Brady, but the result sure did. And I'll bet you, I'll tell you who I know that's going to bother is going to be Paul Maurice. Paul Maurice is going to be bothered by that result. I've told this story before, but I always remember back in my NBA days, Kyle, when Antonio Davis, the Raptors traded for a player named Antonio Davis. And the first game they went back to Indiana, they lost and they played really badly. And I remember Butch Carter, who was the Raptors coach at the time, saying, I thought these guys liked Antonio Davis. I thought that they were going to stand up for him. And he hammered the Raptors for. It's one thing if you lose, but it's another if you get overwhelmed, right? And they got overwhelmed that game and he ripped them. He was like, this was a big game for Davis. And Paul Maurice will use that at some point on the Panthers. He will say to them, this was a meaningful game for this guy. And we lost five to one. And they'll take that to heart. Like this is not over. And of course, the playing of Mr. Brightside. You know, the Florida Panthers, when they beat Edmonton for the Cup, what did they sing at the bar? Pink Pony Club. They rubbed it in. So the Panthers can't complain about this, that the Sanders played Mr. Brightside. They've done it to the Oilers. It bothered the Oilers. They were really upset about that. The Sanders knew what they were doing. They knew what they were doing when they played it on a loop. The Panthers will remember. This was not a one-off. This is now a Tantantan heated rivalry. Yes. Yeah. Now, in fairness, there had been some pretty good episodes between Florida and Ottawa the last couple of years. This took it to another level. I know, I know. Yes. But it's not to suggest they were just two ships passing in the night prior to Wednesday night when it came to the schedule. And you mentioned the Heatley game all those years ago when he first came back with San Jose. If I'm not mistaken, there was quite a bit of a gap time-wise from when he was traded to when San Jose actually came back to Ottawa. Yeah. That doesn't mean anything to me. Either you hate or you don't, right? Well, I just, like, it was kind of felt like the perfect storm where it's early enough in the year. And emotions are still very, very raw. And I think there was. After what I saw tonight, they could have played that game in March. It wouldn't have mattered. Sure. But I think it wouldn't have mattered. I understand. I just think that it all led to. It certainly didn't hurt the cause of the fact that we're sitting here partway through October. And this is the matchup we get. They were ready. That's how I'm saying. You know, there's so many things. I mean, the bad thing for Ottawa is all Mark got hurt and we'll see where we are here. That's. He's been incredible to start the season. But, you know, this whole thing, you know, Devon Cooley right now about, like, disassociating yourself and almost being two people. Like, there were some people in Ottawa that didn't like the fact that some of those senators went for dinner with Kachak.
on Tuesday night. That's exactly what Cooley is talking about. That's, hey, you know what? We can be friendly when it doesn't matter, but when the game starts, I'm going to do anything I can to carve you. That's what the best are like. You can have your friends in the league, you can have friends and other teams like Jake Sanderson and Brady Kachak are always going to be linked not only because Audible because they want a gold medal together, but when the puck drops and you're on two different teams, I'm going to beat you. I'm going to do whatever it takes to beat you. You know, I think that it'll be interesting because I'm really curious about San Jose on Thursday night because San Jose is there and that's like in the NFL what you would call a classic trap game. You know, can you keep the energy and emotion up? They're going to be so spent for that one, but that's it. So many positive things to me about the way the sanders are as a team and who they are like Travis Green got extended this week with a year and a half to go on his contract. To me, that game says everything about why he was extended because he's got a team that's ready to play and all those players were ready to play. Like if I was a sanders fan, I would be incredibly proud after what happened Wednesday night and I didn't think anything. Nothing I saw was over the line. No, no, no, no. I think it was just good. It was raw emotion. I think in a lot of it. And you mentioned you'll get into some of the guys getting together for dinner the night before. That was it. Obviously it was a big, big night for the organization and naturally is that curiosity of how are the players going to handle it? Is it going to be as big of a deal to them as it clearly was to the fans that walk through the turn styles that night is the whole added circus of it's the first game back and the booing and the chanting and all of that. Is that going to affect how they played? And you heard Travis Post game. He goes, this was by far this is our most complete game yet this year. I know it's not a huge sample size, but that to your point says a lot about where this group is at because I think at the end of the day, I mean, you know, it's like that scene from fever pitch, right? Where they're like after they go down three nothing to the Yankees and they're out at the restaurant and they see members of the Red Sox having dinner and they're like, how could possibly be having dinner right now? Like we're in the feeling the state of crisis of the season is over where these die hot Red Sox fans and they're the players enjoying a meal together. Like how possibly could they be in that in that state of mind? You just as a fan, you want the players to feel the same level of of investing as you are. And yeah, from the senators that wore the jersey on the ice to those that wore it in the crowd, they were they were in lockstep Wednesday. What a great scene. What a what an incredible, incredible atmosphere. The someday and Kyle, you live there. Some day it's going to be interesting to find out where where it all fell apart between Stutzlo and Kajak. Yes, because they lived together at one point, right? Well, that first year, right? It was the COVID-shortened year. It was Stutzlo's rookie season. It was him, Kajak, Josh, Norris. We're all Ruben together. I think in Mark Stone's old house. And it was it was a great feel good story. Like in an otherwise tough year for the team. Like that was three pieces of the future of cornerstones totally. It was like, look at how great this is. And I've kind of asked around Elliot, and you know, like the sense I get is just as years goes on, you kind of realize personality-wise, you're just different. Like I don't know if there was one incident that was like, oh, the relationship between Tim Stutzlo and Brady Kajak was never the same. I just wonder if it was more the sense of they their personalities became almost oil and water in a sense over time. One left two minute 30 dishes in the sink. Yeah. So they never forgot. Yeah. So I, I because it is fascinating and even hearing things, you know, the last couple years where they were teammates. Okay, are they are they still as tight as they were in those those early years? But it never when they were together seemed to affect their play. No, they were close. They were pros. They're both pros and they did it. I thought it wasn't a lot of ways very instructive that it was Stutzlo scored to tie the game after Brady opened the scoring that it kind of seemed fitting in a lot of ways, but it just it's just you know what when it was all over Kyle, I was kind of like, why aren't there more games like this? I wish there were more games more nights like this. We when when a building is like that, nothing nothing beats it. You know, the other thing I wanted to say to Kyle is that there were some people who felt that that could Chuck didn't deserve a video. I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with that. You know, I think that I think the Sanders obviously has some very raw feelings towards him as an organization and it's still, you know, we've got people who said he asked for a trade and there's other people who say that he did and he just told them he wasn't going to resign. I don't know if he'll ever really get the full story on this one, but I thought it was I thought it was an excellent you know what I think the Sanders did two things there by doing that video that I think will go a long way. Number one is there probably some guys on the Sanders team now who played great for them on Wednesday night who looked at that video and said, you know what I'm appreciated here. Like sometimes I think we all go through phases in life where we say do our employers really appreciate us and do we think they really care about me. If I was a sounder player, I would have looked at that and said in the middle of all this they still put together that video and that means I'm appreciated. And I think that matters. But even more importantly, if you watch that video and again, I have no problem with the fans doing it and I love the way that Kachak acted after it was doing the wave. If you look at that video, there were a lot of shots in there, a few shots in there of, you know, families he'd helped or, you know, families who were battling through something. That's for them. You know, you make those families feel seen. And even though some of them are probably big hardcore Sanders fans and they're probably disappointed to see Kachak go. They will also always remember Kachak as someone who came and gave them a moment of peace in a time of need. And so I think maybe that video wasn't for the fans and they didn't like it. And again, I get it. But I think the two groups of people that would have really resonated with were the players that are still there and the fans who went through things and Kachak was still there for them. And if that group, if those two groups of people appreciate it in the moment, then you have achieved something here. And also you just like, I understand why Marchenko didn't get a video in Columbus and we'll get to that in a minute. But I think it was the right thing for Ottawa to do. And I think the right people would appreciate it. Totally agree. I mean, his work with the boys and girls club in Ottawa was very real and something that I think he put a lot of time and effort and his wife as well, being involved there. And I know he got to the rink early on Wednesday morning and spent time with with the staff there with the senators to get a visit in. I think he still has great relationships with with all of them from their years together. But not only like the players, when the game rolls on, you remove one part of who you are and replace it with another and you want to do everything in your power to beat them. But I think with that, there's a lot of layers, of course, to this whole story, which is why it's been so compelling. And I think why there was so much interest leading into the game on Wednesday night here, Elliot. But I will, my prediction, I think somewhere, it may take a long time. I think somewhere down the line, there will be, there will be some sort of night and hopefully by then Ottawa's got a new building somewhere down the line. If I was at Lauer, I'd go to them Thursday morning and say, Hey, how about that new building? You're never going to be more popular. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Long after everyone that was playing in the game on Wednesday, the career's over, there will be some moment I can see Brady Ketchak standing in the arena and the crowd applauding and embracing him. May take a while. You think so there? I do. Yeah. Because I'm sure a lot of Sands fans never would have seen a time where they would embrace Danny Heatley. They did that. I mean, we'll get to Columbus in a minute. Rick Nash was villainized initially when he first came back after he was traded at a Columbus. They love him there again, like his number hangs in the in the rafters. I think, I think especially If Ottawa wins at some point over here, whether it's within with this group that they
have now over the next while, what have you? I think that'll put a lot of emotions at ease, because you do zoom out. There was a lot of good that Brady was at the forefront of at a time where it was very easy to pile on Ottawa and that franchise, but for how that crowd reacted and felt on Wednesday night, totally justified, totally fair, and just a great scene for everybody to take in. It's kind of interesting that it's October the 21st, which is the date of this game, and that is going to be one of the five best moments of this NHL season. Blind ranking early. There's only four slots left. That's right. Yeah, good call. If there's a playoff series, holy cow. Oh my gosh. Early item on the Christmas wish list for a lot of us, and I think you referenced it earlier, but someone said to me after the game, I said, do know one thing. This is far from over. Far from over. I will say one of my leaf loving buddies texted me for one night only. I'm really enjoying Ridley Greg. Yes. Yeah, like I've been talking about a guy that understood the assignment on Wednesday night. Oh my God. Right in the thick of it, just in the only way that he can. I think a lot of the main characters involved that you would expect to be involved on on Wednesday night, they delivered. It was a lot of fun, man. So that was going on in Ottawa Wednesday night. And I mean, you try to compare and contrast and juxtapose to the night previous in Columbus when Toronto was into town and it's Karil Marchenko's return. Now the circumstances are different in a sense. Of course, he wasn't in Columbus as long as Brady was in Ottawa. He wasn't the captain. Yeah, there's differences in that sense. But the similarities were leading into it. Same sentiment coming out of the Columbus dressing room. If he doesn't want to be here, we don't want him here. We're glad that those that are in this room are guys that want to be here and be part of the solution. However, what we saw on the ice from the home crowd Tuesday night in Columbus was something far different. So it was a completely 180 response when you look at how the blue jackets handled that game versus what we saw in Ottawa. Yeah, very disappointing, very disappointing. And actually, again, we talked about there was no video for Marchenko. I actually laughed when I saw what Columbus did. They they played the song by Sealo Green forget you. And they showed Fantilly delivered a big hit to Marchenko early in that game. And they put it underneath the song on the video board. And I was like, that's actually pretty creative. We did an interview with Marchenko that aired in the pregame show. And he said that he had a conversation with his wife and they just decided it was time to try something new. Like it's it's pretty clear. He decided he didn't he he wasn't going to extend there either. And it was time for him. And again, I have no problem with the Columbus crowd being kind of happy with him. That's life. By, you know, it's my old line or Gord's Alex old line. If you're going to stink stink on the road. Like that was the opposite Ottawa, right? You can't first of all, it's a big game for nice. Now he still has to go back to Toronto. And that's coming up in a couple of weeks. But it to me, it's almost like the same thing. It's a it's a big game for knives who struggled since he got a couple goals in his opening game there. But it's a big game for your fans. And you know, there were a couple of things that happened there. I was at Dallas, Boston that night. So I didn't see all of it. I went back and I watched some shifts and I watched some goals. But there were a couple of things that happened there that I think were pretty interesting. You know, they they got pounded. I heard that Wyranski was still trying to throw some hits when it was still when it was getting pretty lopsided. So I thought it was interesting that he is the captain still tried to get something going. But could Branson fought late in that game or later in that game and watch him after that fight. Like he glairs at the Columbus bench. And I don't know who he's looking at. I don't want to guess because God knows I've gotten myself into enough trouble over the last couple of weeks. But you watched good Branson after that fight. He glairs in the direction of the bench. And he's a really prideful guy. He cares a lot. And you know, 62 in that game. It's not good enough. And you know, I thought bonus did the right thing post game. He didn't pile on like it's obvious. He knows he can't do that right now. It's happened too much. You can't do it. And there are times like some of the best bosses I've ever had. I remember Glenn Healey and Kelly Rudy telling me this about Al Arbor. Al Arbor would be all over the islanders when they were going well. He would grind them and grind them and grind them. And when they were really struggling, he back off. And some of the best bosses I've ever had, like when things were going really well for me, they would just kill me. And when I felt low, they would be like, all right, how can we drag you out of this? But I just think in that moment, bonus has hammered them so much he couldn't. Now, I guess you had a really hard practice on Wednesday and made them do stuff all over again, which is fine, but you know, you can just sense that it's this next game for them is a huge one. And it probably should have been the game they had on Tuesday night, but especially they're all going to be watching and their fans are all going to be watching that Ottawa game on Wednesday. And they're going to be saying, you know, what's that mean with like what is it the chipmunk or the raccoon that's waving its hands like why this and not this? Yes. The blue jackets or fans are going to be saying, why wasn't that us? Like where was that for us? It's a bad one. Yeah. And when you think about it, Elliot, even zoom out the last couple years with Columbus, like when Patrick Lina left, and some of his comments about the dressing room upon his his return. And I mean, obviously there was there was the season in which we lost the good drill brothers. It was very admirable how that team carried on nearly got into the playoffs, just missed under very, very difficult circumstances. But I guess and I'm not here to weigh in on what's true, what's what's not. But the the perception of what's been going on around the organization and why maybe success hasn't been sustainable, why they haven't, you know, gotten into the the playoffs and gotten over that hump where they have been closed down the stretch a few times in the last number of years. Probably you get a big game like that on Tuesday night and how you look and the result like it doesn't necessarily help any narrative that you're looking at and go and that's not true. That's not how we operate whether it is or is not right. It's one thing to lose a game like that. And it was a big game for Toronto also. They had plenty of incentive. But it's how they looked when they lost. It's how they looked when they lost it. It really it does not help matters at all as Columbus is collectively. They just went through this whole thing of course with Rurenski in the summer and trying to get Phantilly signed the drag you know right up until the start of the year pretty well. This isn't help matters when the first true big test of okay where we add as a group. It's an emotional night for the fan base and that's what you get. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't help. It's it's just not good enough and everybody knows it. And I thought too like if you know from the Toronto side we remember last year when Vegas came into Toronto and that was Mariner's first game back like that was a team that looked like we are not losing this game. There is no chance. And it was not in doubt from the drop of of the puck and you know credit credit the Leafs of that night were on on Tuesday night in Columbus. Do you remember Cornless are like pushing signs away from Mariner? Yes. That's right. Yeah. Right in the time of they're coming out for warm up like they the moment they showed up they were like yeah they were like they were like the moment they showed up they were like no not happening tonight. Yeah. And so I thought as as the night we're on for Toronto they look similar where it was like you know it's a big deal for their teammate their new teammate and they thought we're winning and they were the better team. So yeah like a couple of emotional games at least going in and a really wonderful scene of course we talked about an Ottawa Wednesday, Elliot and that leads us to some other news that we're still keeping tabs on around the league and we stop off in Detroit once again we're playing the hits here and not only the Dylan in a large and situated place.
but Simon Evanson as well, a Helene St. James, one of the beat reporters there with the wings. - She's been on top of these, no trees list. - Sure, I had won when they expanded, but she's, I think, had two or three of them now. - Yeah, she's making me look like a toddler out here. - Hey, she's doing her job, and she does it very well. So the list now, what, the 10 teams, it's gotten a little bit bigger, and the fact that the devils were on it. - That's an interesting one. As someone who's a devils fan texted me and he goes, "Do you think Larkin's playing 3D chess, instead of going to Minnesota, where Hughes is, he's going to go to New Jersey, where Hughes is going to be?" - Yes, and-- - The Gretzky Manoeuvre. - I asked if he was Charlie Day with all that stuff on his wall. It's pretty funny. It's like, "Hey, it was interesting that the devils were there. That was definitely the one that raised the most eyebrows, because a lot of those other teams are obviously top contenders. Larkin is definitely trying to make this possible here. He's expanding his list. We'll see. The one thing I will say is that Detroit, whatever they're considering out there, whether it's Larkin or it's Advonson. I think they're a little bit disappointed how they haven't been able to budge Advonson to this point. I think they're a little bit disappointed, a little bit surprised, but the one thing I think they are doing, and I've heard this a little bit, is they're starting to ask about young centers, and maybe even some guys who are top prospects that aren't in the NHL yet. I had a couple of teams tell me on Wednesday when I was preparing to do this, and just asking around that whatever Detroit's planning here, they're looking at young centers. And again, some of them might not be in the league yet, but there is some groundwork being done here. Who's available? Who they like? I did have a couple teams say to me, "Do not be surprised if and when this log jam breaks, if one or two of those is involved for Detroit, if they can." That is definitely a goal of theirs. And whether it's a Larkin trade or an Advonson trade, if it does come to it, that's kind of what they're targeting. It might be one or the other. It might just come down to what. I don't want to say it's Advonson for that or it's Larkin for that. It's just because I think I could be wrong to specifically say it's one of the two. I just think I've heard that some of the teams they're talking to, that is what they're asking about. How would you feel about X, either a young center that you have now or a young center that is part of your prospect pool? Boy, it's a tough spot for them. I had a guy tell me today that he was like, "Man, Detroit thought Larkin and Advonson were going to be their cornerstones for years, but I think they're starting to. Realization is starting to set in, so they're starting to lay their groundwork." I suppose as they should, if this is the path that were headed down for Detroit. I mean, are they still. There's still of the mind, though, that the preference is to sign Advonson, that hasn't changed. I think that's the preference, but like I said, nobody has said this to me from Detroit. It's just basically what I'm hearing is some teams are wondering if the choice is just like, "You know what? In case it doesn't work, we better start getting serious about what could be out there." I think you can say publicly we want to sign them and it's true, but you still have to be prepared for reality. Like, for example, if you do want to trade them, you've got 40 days, or you can't play this year, so you better get to work. Okay. I think we're always curious about Carolina, whether it's on the Detroit front or, of course, Winnipeg and Connor Hellowbuck, and you're learning that they're entertaining another offer to try to lure the Fezden Art Trophy winner out of Winnipeg that would not involve a package, including Alexander Nikeshin. Yeah, so we've been saying this a lot, or I've been saying this a lot. I don't want to drag you into my idiocy, Kyle, but you know, we've been saying this a lot. If the Keeshin was going to go to, if the Keeshin was going to go to Winnipeg, this deal might be done already, but I did have a couple people tell me on Wednesday that Carolina does have an offer for Hellowbuck that no longer involves him, because it's a waste of time, right? So I think whatever Carolina's got out there is a non-Nikeshin package. Now, if it was so spectacular to the Jets, this trade would be done already, I think that Buffalo and Utah are still around here, and Luke had had another rough night on Wednesday. But I just thought it was interesting that Carolina, I think, has something out there that's a change from where they originally were and they remain interested. You know, I did hear something really interesting about Carolina on Wednesday too. I was talking with someone about them and you know how Bill Garen, when he traded for Quinn Hughes, he talked about how he makes his best offer right away. He goes in hot and he says, this is what I can do and hopefully we can make it work. And so I always wonder what's the book on these guys? How do they do things? And so Carolina's way under Eric Talsky is they don't necessarily come in hot, they'll negotiate with you, they don't say, this is our first offer and our best offer, they don't do that. But what they do have as a book on them is if they tell you it's time, it's time, like either you make the deal or you don't. And when they traded for Rantonin from Colorado, so that night, I actually heard about Patterson from Vancouver and they had two deals on the table. I was slow to turn to pivot to Rantonin because I thought Patterson was going to get done. So that night it was either Rantonin or it was Patterson. And I guess they said to both Colorado and Vancouver, it's time. Like we want to do this, we're getting to a point where we're going to do one of these two deals. So make us your best offer. And so yeah, we're going to do one of these two deals. So it's time for your best. And Colorado came forward with the deal that they took and Vancouver just didn't. They they felt that Vancouver's offer was lacking. So they made the deal for Rantonin. And I think Vancouver was a bit surprised. And that was when like the word kind of got around on them. If they say we're doing a deal, you better be ready to do the deal. And I don't know where they stand with the jets right now. Obviously they have something out there. But I still think Buffalo and Utah, I think those teams are kind of hoping that Winnipeg feels a bit squeezed. I'm not sure that's actually going to work, but that's the way I do think those teams feel. But what have we learned about the hurricanes and the way they do business? If they say it's time, no more fooling around. Do you get the sense? I mean, how much is Eric Tolsky's perception and reputation around the league evolve from when he would have first taken the job in Carolina to where we sit now as other drivers have dealt with them? Well, he won and not only did he won. He has not been afraid to take swings and be willing to pivot if that swing wasn't the home run cut that he had hoped for. Well, I think that's the thing. Like the Rantonin thing, I don't know that there's a lot of teams that would have done what he did. Take the shot and then and then make the deal. And it was a deal that brought them a pretty critical part of a Stanley Cup champion in Stankholtvin. I think number two, right? Didn't they get a whole net deal? Yeah, the
That's right. Good point. You know, first of all, he's got an owner that backs that, you have to have support from the top and he does. You know, I don't think, I don't think all the teams like the way he's threatened off or she's from time to time over over the years. He did it. You know, obviously, they did it with with Bouchard. They did it with Keandre Miller. They got the player. I think they did it this year with Edvinson. They kind of threatened it with Detroit a bit. But I think the respect is there like he won and he has a vision and it works. And you know, the coach there is obviously a very big part of it. Brendan Moore is the most powerful coach in the league, but you know, obviously he understands like the thing that the hurricanes have is they have an identity. Can you skate? Yes. You can play here. Right? And he and he finds players who fit that identity. I mean, do these GMs always like each other? No. But do they respect those who are successful? Yes, they do. Yeah. And he's been one of the most successful here over the last last few years. By the way, I'm looking forward to that game on Thursday night too. Edmonton, Carolina and Seth Jarvis was activated for it. So he's going to be back for that. That'll be a great hockey game. I'm really looking forward to that. That Minnesota Edmonton game the other day was an excellent game. The others beat them on the power play. The wild kind of tuned them a bit at even strength. But that was great hockey. I have no idea what Quinn Hughes was complaining about in the post game though. It's just like like what what are you complaining about? That was a pretty obvious. That was a pretty obvious to it, Edmont. Yes. Unfortunately, I think that you're right because the past was for, I forget who the other wild was right at the blue line and you know, and Hughes is just stepping on the ice and the pucks coming his way and yeah, it's, it's, it's reflects like your three goals. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like it was funny. There's that one. And then, you know, the, the Dolby's penalty and overtime in the Montreal game. It's like two examples of going, I'm sorry, I understand it's a fan of going, I hate the call. Uh, those are those are going to get called. Well, you know what, you know what? Like, so I, I'll give you my theory on Dolby's in a second, but I couldn't believe people were saying they shouldn't have called that. You have to call that. You have to because the thing is the next time if someone skates through the crease or skates, sorry, in front of the crease, they're going to be hitting, they're going to be hitting Dolby's. Like it basically makes him fair, a fair target to get hit if you don't penalize that. Like that to me is why you know, the referee has to 100% make that call because if you don't, like players are going to be like, they're going to be clipping them or knocking into them in the same situation saying, I thought he was going to interfere with me. So I completely understand. I have a theory on Dolby's and Eric Engels kind of wrote about it on, on Tuesday night. And you know, I just think he's a little bit unsettled at the challenge from Fowler. Like I think he thought, like after last year, he played great. He got them in the third round of the playoffs. And you know, I think he was kind of settled a bit. You know, he's a guy who really, you know, Pete Fries done a lot of great work with him on his, on his emotions, but he's a very emotional guy. I just, I just look at him and I, and I, and I think he kind of thought this was too soon for him to be in another battle for the job. And I think it's unsettled him a bit. I think there's plenty of time to sort this out and fix it. But that's what I look at when I, I see him. I was by the way, happy to Kyle for your kings. They got off the night. Yes. Yeah. Important win for them after I went down to nothing early in Washington and turned it around. I almost think, oh, with Dolby, she kind of reminds, and you hear like tennis players, some of the great ones talk about it's a completely different set of circumstances mentally and just how you view yourself among the rest where you're chasing down the chance to be number one in the world. And then you become number one of the world. And there's nowhere else to go, but back down the rankings they get, right? Like battle, battle, battle. Here you are. We go tender for the Montreal Canadians in the playoffs. People have got stop signs all over the city and in the building with your name on it. You're getting serenaded in the post game. You are the guy and you are playing like the guy. And then you get back to training camp in the fall and it's like, oh, you got to do that all over again, all season to have the kind of results to hang on to that spot. And that's why those from a goal tenders perspective, it's so, it's so impressive not only to have the ability to be a number one guy for the long term, but to have the mental fortitude to keep yourself in that space. When you know there's always the possibility of someone coming for you or just a bad run of results, how that changed, how you're looked at. Anyway, I mean, he's still a young goal tender, obviously, you know, it gets the contract done in the summer that ice I've still got all the time in the world for, but it's another challenge for him to try to face. Agreed. 100%. So I was looking on social on Wednesday, Elliot, and I know I was in the only one that felt this way, but as teams were starting to tease their hometown remix looks with the different word jumbling, and I think someone was someone doing it in like Morse code too. I couldn't help, but that was like you setting out the matchups on a Saturday night. Your team abbreviations. I got a few of those, I had a few people who sent me notes about that. It was pretty, it was pretty funny. I love that. I was like, I still have a decoding Elliott Friedman hoodie from the old 32 thoughts merch days. You know what, I wore a yellow lace is one the other day, and you know, my son Max, he, I gave him an extra shirt I had. I think it was hair. I was hair sponsored by Elliott Friedman or hair inspired by Elliott Friedman. He wore it to the gym and people were like, do you make your son wear that shirt? I was like, Max, you're never wearing that again. That was hilarious. I was like, oh my god, Elliott's a monster, turning his own son into a, into a walking ad for him. Speaking of sons, by the way, that was a great night for Cole Canubal, Mike Canubal, Cole scored a couple goals the other night, and Mike Canubal was one of the great players to deal with when he played. He was a great talker and a really insightful guy and I'm really happy for them. Philly has, Philly has recovered. They have shaken off Rigor Mortis and they are back. By the way, I'm so glad you brought that up because the Canubal family connection between Mike and Cole, that's going to be one of the questions featured in the thought line in a little bit. So thank you for teasing that, Elliott. Well, Kyle, I am here to help. Thank you, buddy. Okay. A couple more things I wanted to get to here in this news block of the show. So, man, I think both you and I heard the same thing. I mean, thankfully Ben Kindles was doing much better on Wednesday, but gosh, the horror when you see the statement that the penguins put out the day previous that he had a medical episode on the team playing just as they had taken off from Salt Lake City to head home. Of course, they churned around so he could be properly attended to. But in that statement, Elliott, they mentioned that their team physician, Dr. Darmeshav Vias, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, but he was on the plane with the team. And so him and the medical staff were able to tend to him literally right away, even while they were in the air. So I guess I assume that that was a normal thing that the team physician would travel with the club all the time. It turns out that's not the case. No, it's not. Kyle. It is in the playoffs, I think teams generally travel with their own doctors, but in the regular season, particularly for short trips, there are teams that don't. They don't bring their doctors with them because first of all, at a game, the other team will have their doctors there. As we now know, if an ambulance leaves an NHL game for any particular reason, you can't resume until another one's there. You must always have an ambulance in the building for a game to be played. And they've taken some real positive steps in that way. But not everybody in the regular season travels 100% of the time with their own doctors. And thankfully, the penguins do, and that played a huge role in this. And Kyle Dubas is supposed to update Kindle's condition on Thursday. But one of the things I heard in the aftermath was maybe this should be mandatory. Maybe you should have your own doctors on a trip all the time. And if there's anything we can look into from this in order to make things a little bit better, was this was a situation where the worst possible outcome looks to have been averted because the doctors were there. So maybe that's something everybody here should be thinking about, all doctors all the time. I agree. I totally agree. I mean, even.
And if 99.99% of the time you go, I could have left them at home for that trip. We just saw the point on one the other day, Elliot, and thank goodness. So to me, that would be worth whatever the investment would come with, ensuring somebody's there at all times when the team's not at home, there's too much at stake there. I'm totally with you. Okay. Let's get to the final thought and, Elliot, where are you in the world as of this conversation? So, I'm in Dallas, Dallas, Boston, really good game the other night, kind of a playoff game. Dallas doesn't give you a lot, and Boston right now doesn't give you a lot. You know, the Bruins are in a good place. They, you know, they had a near-perfect road trip. They only lost the Dallas game and overtime because Ranton had the hat trick. Swamon was incredible. He made a couple of great saves before Dallas won the game, but it was two teams that didn't give up a lot, very, very good game, very good game. And saw David Paran there in the press box. He's going to be joining them pretty soon. You know, one of the things Dallas was kind of looking at is just improving their play along the boards, and Paran does that. He's a really sharp guy. He's a really smart player, and I think that's one of the things they were looking at was just improving their boardwork, and that's one of the reasons they targeted Paran. Also, they got the extension done with Hussainah Dinoff, who's been a really good player for them three times, 3.95. Good game. Really enjoyed it. The reason we're here is the Jets are in town, and they're playing, they were in town, they played in St. Louis on Tuesday, they lost, they practiced on Wednesday, and they're playing on Thursday, and of course, we are both headed to Winnipeg this weekend for the Heritage Classic on Sunday. And we were taping a piece and I kind of want to explain what this piece is, because it's a bit unique and it's a bit different. So about five years ago, our feature staff was working on a piece on Marc Seifli, and they interviewed the late Dale Howard Chuck about him, and they interviewed his parents about him. His dad, Brad, and his mother, Mary Lou, together, and as many of you may remember, Brad passed away a year ago during the playoffs. And so we had this piece that was done on Seifli, and it never went to error. And the reason it never went to error actually was they were working on putting it together, and then the big hit on Jake Evans came. And you couldn't err at then, and it just never got done. So with the Heritage Classic in Winnipeg, our producers came up with the idea of, and especially now is, you know, this year they restored the Jets records to the team, right? And so if you look at it, Seifli now is five goals back of Dale Howard Chuck. He's 14 points back of Dale Howard Chuck for number one all time. And he is actually 12 assists back of Thomas Steen. He's actually fourth in assists, like Wheeler is at 550, Howard Chuck is at 550, and Steen is at 553. So he was getting a point where he was going to pass all of this. So our features crew came up with the idea of doing this piece. And I have to tell you, I wasn't sure, but you know, you trust the people that they know what they're doing. They say, okay, you guys believe in this, you have faith in this, you're pushing on this, and you believe in this. So let's do it. And we did the interview with Seifli on Wednesday after practice, and it was really something. He had about 13 clips of his parents and Dale Howard Chuck on an iPad, and he held it, and he watched the clips, and he talked about it. And it was pretty powerful, I have to say. He really held himself in check until the last question. He at the end, he got very emotional. He's also like one of the things that happened was after Brad passed away, he, the Jets fans and other hockey fans who are great people made donations to the True North Foundation, the Jets charitable arm in his dad's name, and they basically kept the money. And now what they're doing is like Mark Chipman came to him and basically said, you know, what do you want to do with this? How can we make something good for this? So they're creating a scholarship in his father's name, they're working on that right now. But you know, it was, it was really something to sit there with Seifli and watch him look at these clips, and you know, he said, I've never seen these before, and it was really, it was really special to him to watch them talk about him. And he actually asked at the end of the interview, could we send him the clips? So he can watch them from time to time, and we will. But it was, it was a unique idea that our features crewed and deserves a lot of credit for that they pushed this and Seifli deserves a lot of credit for being willing to do it. So that's going to air on Sunday in the pregame, but Kyle, we all do interviews and you kind of remember them for a long time because of the emotion in them, like the one review that you did that I will remember to the end of my career was David Ayers, because it was just such an unbelievable night. And you did such a great interview with him in the post game. And this is going to be one of the ones that I remember for that's for sure. That's awesome. I'm glad that that, and I'm sure those interviews they would have done all those years back with with Howard Chacken and his parents would have been great stuff at the time that has never seen the light of day, like what a what a wonderful way to give it new life. So it can be seen by the public that would be interested and for Mark, of course, to see it as well. That's really cool. So you would have, and you wouldn't have run, I guess, like it was a clip by clip. And then he would respond to it as opposed to running it all back to back. Okay. Yes. And then also, I think they downloaded, I think the interview with the parents was about 13 minutes long and they they downloaded it all and they'll send it to him so we could watch the whole thing. But yes, we just he held the iPad and we just went clip to clip and we watched it all. And, like I said, you never know how these things are going to go, but it was really it was really something. It was it was pretty powerful stuff. Now, I have to tell you, so the features crew on this is Michael Attick, the producer and Zach Lasak, the cameraman, and Michael Attick, we went for lunch after the feature shoot and Michael said that you have reneged on an agreement. Is that true? It is not. So he did me a huge favor for something not that long ago and he said, I'm going to do this for you, but I need you to do this to hold up your end of the bargain. I said, no problem. I'm still going to do it. I just haven't had a chance to yet. How long was this? Just a couple weeks. Like keep it. Oh, I thought it was like eight months. Oh, my gosh. No, no, no. I completely made that up. I don't know. This is just this is just a few weeks, but I will get to it. What do you what do you own like Michael backlands coffee or something like that? He wants he would love some of his of his coffee because yeah, I believe he's he's like a part owner of a small roastery in Sweden. Yeah. So anyway, I've got to track Michael down here at the at the Ranking Calgary and see how I can get some of that product to to my attic. But it's not I mean, you I gosh, you took forever to finally repay your debt for the in-season cup last year. Now what you did, you delivered, but you took your sweet time with it, so that is true. Sometimes I could be a little bit quicker. I always pay up, but sometimes, but the thing is, I'm the other way too. If I ever win something off people, like I've had people come up to me and say, you know, I owe you this and I go, you shouldn't have told me I would have never remembered. Like I never keep track of this stuff. Yes. I just like to win in the moment, like I've won bets before and I said, and like people say, well, I'll give you what I owe you and I'm like, no, I don't want that. I'm like, what do you mean? I go, I just want you to know that I want, I actually don't want anything for it. So I'm kind of like that with everything to be honest. That's good. We normally do showtodes in the in the next section and there are some, but we record that section early and there were some shutouts on Wednesday night. I just want to make went out to a great dinner with Ken Weep, who is in town on Wednesday night and. Someone came up to me his name was Evan Williams. He's a big hockey fan in the Dallas area He was having dinner with some of his coworkers. He came to say hi. He said him and his twin brother Ethan our huge pod fans I said which one of you's older. He goes I am by 20 seconds. So Evan and Ethan Williams Evan 20 seconds older by Ethan Thanks very much and also Ken Brought a friend of his who we used to play hockey with for the winkler flyers in the mid 90s You know Ken was a is a really good golfer, and he was a really good hockey player The guy's name was Mike dick. They played together Mike actually went he went to Bemidji state played 10 games there and then he played in Texas he played hockey in Texas in the central league with four worth and Huntsville and he played in the western pro league with central Texas and Corpus Christi and you know he played for about five years and Just a hilarious guy. He showed me some pictures of Ken and him back when they were I don't know they must have been 18 19 years old playing in winkler and Ken Who has done what my wife won't allow me to do which is gobalt? He had a full Yager mullet Oh my gosh, it is such a great picture Now what what what is he rock better the mullet or Nothing now. I got to say I hate to give Ken any kind of compliment But he wears them both really well. He does. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. I can see it That's great. It's a good meal. It's a true yager-esque ball. It was a really good steak really good Really good meal Beautiful glad you had a good time with them. All right. That was the final thought and I gotta go to bed. I got my I got getting picked up in three and a half hours. Oh, yes. Oh man. You're already into the grind There'll be nothing left of you come the outdoor game Sunday. Oh, don't you worry. I'll get I'll be fine That was the final thought and yeah, well, we'll let Ellie get some rest take our first break and come back with the thought line You're listening to 32 thoughts the podcast and it continues after this All right, just in time for a brand new edition of the thought line brought to you by bed MGM make it legendary So Ellie at the other night. I was at the 24th edition of the Eric Francis pizza. Hey, go you went to the pizza pico Yeah, nice in support of kidsport Calgary. They did it at the dome this year Looked like a huge success again. I haven't seen the final numbers of the the money that they raised But the place was packed. It's impressive. How many pizza vendors come out to that in the city too? It's it's really cool. And anyway, so one of the one point of the night a gentleman named Brian came and introduced himself And he introduced me to his wife Jody who is a volunteer with kidsport and he says because of Jody She goes Jody listens to you guys's podcast all the time and she makes me listen to it She's dragged me into it. So in my mind, I'm thinking your wife is a genius But out loud, I said to her, why would you subject your husband to such torture because you know we are humble We are very humbly. Yes. Yes. We are. Yes. We are. Yes. We are within my mind. I'm like smart lady Well, thank you very much Jody. We appreciate your listership and the fact that you have dragged Someone else into our abyss of loser dome. Thank you very much And by the way, congratulations to Eric. That is an outstanding event. He does a great job with it every year Yeah, and they also they announced a partnership between the alumni and kidsport They announced a new scholarship going forward in Peter Marsler, which is really cool great stuff Not you know, not surprised Eric would do something like that like he's He's very very charitably oriented great job Eric and great job Jody You got anything else before I get on to mine here? No, that was my one. Okay, leaving way for you now All right. I got a few here. So first of all from Randy Craig My daughter Katie teaches fifth grade in a title one school in Durham, North Carolina She wanted to try a fun way to introduce her kids to our great game and include it in their lessons She has 16 teams in her class and had them draft a team from each conference and is having them tally the wins To say the kids knew nothing about hockey as an understatement. He laughed and said the last team drafted was Florida They are super into it now and she starts every day by showing the wins and ends it by putting up the night's schedule Now she wants to take the kids to a game Maybe the only time they would ever go and so she reached out to the Keynes and she is fundraising to make it happen Which I know she will get because she is tenacious. She had the kids reach out to their team and mascot and so far The sabers and flames have sent the kids some stuff good on them sabers and flames She does hockey shirt Friday and has visited every three shop on the drive from Durham to lead your Connecticut where we live Looking for them kids would love a shout out her love of hockey comes from her grandparents Wayne and Sue Craig who were original Penguin season ticket holders and she grew up in the ranks in DC and Connecticut during my Navy career watching her brothers play and Me coach youth and high school hockey Katie Craig School is Glenn elementary in Durham, North Carolina So I wanted to shout that out Katie you are single-handedly growing the game more than Kyle and I and Dom ever have So congratulations to you and I hope the kids Keep enjoying it and if anybody wants to steal that idea Please go ahead and do so and Katie you should know that your dad Randy is super proud of you and wrote this all for you Great job Katie great job. So that's the first class today. Yeah, excellent. And if anyone wants to steal the idea I don't think Katie is copyright it. So go ahead and steal the idea I also wanted to shout out for a reason more to laugh at someone then celebrate with them Kyle our Saturday night hockey producer Brian Spear So Brian has tickets to leave games and he took me to see the sharks on Monday night And he told during that game Philadelphia beat Colorado and so Brian and Dave Amber and Kathy Broderick and I think Luke Gadsdick is in it too They belong to an NHL survivor league which is similar to those NFL survivor leagues You pick one game a week and it's three strikes and you're out Okay, so you have to lose three times to be knocked out Thanks to Phillies went over Colorado on Monday night Brian got knocked out in week four He had Edmonton on opening night they lost a Vancouver In week two he had St. Louis they lost to Chicago In week three he had Vegas they beat Calgary and week four he had Colorado and lost the Philadelphia so Brian You deserve a shout out for the exact opposite reason as Katie She grows the game You decreased your bank account and your hockey expertise Um, a couple other people I wanted to shout out at that game We sat next to a young man by the name of Nathan Muscle who's taking sports management at York University His father's Lindley really nice kid bright future um, I wanted to shout out A gentleman. He's a mentalist. I met in the lounge At Pearson his name is aton Ellie Mellick. He's a mentalist. He goes and does corporate events pretty cool thing He mentioned his son Kobe big hockey fan loves the stats. So shout out Kobe Mike and Rob two podcast fans. I met on the flight to Chicago and at the Dallas game on Tuesday against Boston. I met a whole bunch of fans Patrick Ali Garrett. I hope I remembered all those names Jeremy who was in the accountant at Richter And I also met Heather Ben who is Jamie and Jordy's mother She was at the game and I chatted a chance to chat with her briefly. I was reminded I'd met her once before And I think I sat right in front of them the year. He was nominated for the heart trophy patricine Wanted that year, but it was good to see her uh in Dallas. So a lot of shout outs and a couple of really good stories But I wanted to tell that Katie Craig story because that's a great story Yeah talk about two opposite ends of the spectrum between Katie and Spearsie That's outstanding Yeah, Katie's growing the game Spearsie is stunting it Awesome stuff you've been busy in Dallas. That's great though. I'm not surprised Yeah, you know what um, I you know we had uh it was a bit of a rough travel day Unfortunately, we had to repeat
on one of the planes. I mean, it's still like nothing really much to complain about. We just got, unfortunately, I just got to the game late because it had been, but that was, that was a good game, as we mentioned earlier. That was a really good game. Okay, let's get into this here. Stilts leading it off from Peoria, Arizona. Oh, I thought I was going to say Peoria, Illinois, you threw me a curveball. I know. Okay. Stilts. Okay. Hey, guys, longtime listener, second time emailer. I've had a burning question for you regarding a possible Quinn Hughes Billy G scenario. Billy G force, Bill Guerron, the general manager could use go to Billy G and tell him that he'll sign a new contract with the express understanding that he would be traded to the team of his choice after the season. This way, the wild can keep use for the playoffs, knowing that they will get something back from in the form of players, picks, and/or prospects. I'm not sure if that is legal or considered collusion. I do believe that Quinn wants to do the right thing by them and not walk and leave them with nothing. Please give us fans an answer to this scenario. Thank you guys. Stilts, there's nothing you could put in writing, but they could make a handshake deal on it. I think we had a similar question to this, Kyle. Last week or a couple pods ago. Yes, you've got St. Alabuck. Right. You can't put anything in writing like that, but if everybody trusts everyone else, you can do it. The thing about a guy like Bill Guerron is I think he's the kind of GM that would agree potentially to something like that. I remember when Roger Cleman signed with the Blue Jays, there was like a side agreement that if he wanted to get traded, he could get traded and he pitched two years there and he won the triple crown both seasons, like he pitched great, but the team just wasn't at that level and it turned out there was a side agreement there and Paul Beiston, the great longtime president of the Blue Jays. He got in trouble for that. So you can't put anything like that in writing, but if everybody trusted everyone else, there's no reason you couldn't agree to something like that verbally. You just have to trust that everybody will live up to their obligation at the end. I gotta tell you still, it's like if I was, if I was in Guerron shoes and I was concerned that he was gonna walk unrestricted, I would consider that scenario. The question is would everybody agree to it and does everybody trust everyone else? Good idea though. Yes, nothing wrong with thinking that way. Patrick from Minnesota, hello Jens and Dom. Now that is true, like we have to say, if you saw Dom's hair today, I couldn't even come up with a style like this. Yes, that's, yeah, that was beyond, oh now he's just turned his camera on, yeah. That's beyond anything you could come up with. Turn back off. Yeah, this is Patrick from the land of Sky Blue Waters. I was watching the Dallas and Colorado games on Back to Back nights last week and absolutely loved it. The two game series reminded me a lot of the way college hockey handles weekend series. As a diehard go for fan, it was fun to watch two rivals battle it out on consecutive nights and it brought back memories of fantastic matchups like Minnesota versus North Dakota, where night two always seemed to produce some fireworks. So my question is twofold. First, would the NHL ever consider scheduling Back to Back Games only when both teams played the night before in theory that would put both teams on more equal footing to create a fairer competitive environment. Secondly, would the NHL ever consider using Back to Back series between division rivals as a way to amplify rivalries around the Lee. How much fun would a weekend set featuring Boston and Montreal or Philadelphia and Pittsburgh be? Obviously, there are significant considerations such as arena availability, travel logistics and scheduling constraints. Also, how does the league do all this? But it seems like a concept that could translate well from the college game and add another layer of intensity to existing rivalries. Go Gofers and Go Leafs. Okay, so Gofers and Leafs, a lot of connections over the years. So Patrick, they do it periodically. Now, I think last year, I can't remember what it was, it was the abs or someone played the King's twice in a row. I don't know if it was a Back to Back or it was a Thursday Saturday, but occasionally this does happen. Years ago, when the rights were still at CBC, and Winnipeg was still in the southeast division, there was a time where they had Thursday, Friday, Washington at Winnipeg. They played them back to back on a Thursday, Friday in Winnipeg. We did one of those games. And I'll tell you, what I heard from the league after is the home fans didn't like it as much. And you have to understand, the leagues have a lot of data on this kind of thing because I think in theory and on its face, Patrick, your idea is a good idea. Why not help travel by doing things like that? The league just told me that the season ticket holders and the fans in the home city, they weren't as crazy about it. And unless they get something that makes them change that, then we probably won't, we'll see it from time to time, but I don't think you'll see it a lot. And that was, that was the number one feedback they got from it. The home fans were kind of like, we don't know if we'd like this. I think the league, what I was told, they do look for opportunities like we saw last week with Colorado and Dallas. The problem is, and once again, television ruins a lot of this stuff because whether you're our employer is a national rights holder in Canada or one of the national rights holders in the US, these marquee rivalry type games are often ones that the national rights holders would love to have on their air. Well, the thing is, typically you're not having national nights on back-to-back nights during the regular season. So it's tough to schedule all that way. And, you know, as Patrick alluded to in his question, when it comes to arena availability, travel logistics and all of that, when you think of these rivalries, whether it's the battle of Pennsylvania, Toronto and Montreal, Montreal and Boston, go down the list from there, these are often situations where travel isn't too bad between the two cities. There's a ton of distance. So it's easier to slide them in as a one-off somewhere in the schedule because you're not putting one of the teams at a huge disadvantage by having a travel a great distance. So it's an easier one for the league where they've got to try to jam in certain games going, well, we'll just slide this one-off game in here because it's only an hour flight for said team. So that's good. That's why we don't see it as much. Some of the reasons why we don't see it as much as I think we all would like, but they do look for opportunities to do so when they are there. They are aware that fans love it. I, well, I guess evidently the ticket holder is not so much, but I like it. But yeah, but that was, you said back-to-back games in Winnipeg, like I wonder if it's different that it's both sitting in those cities. Yeah. But Patrick, I don't think anybody argues with the logic of your suggestion. No, certainly not here. Okay. A couple more to get to here. Zach from St. Louis. Hello, gentlemen, and Elliott. Oh, you got the treatment too. I had a quick question. I liked it better when they were ripping Dom. I have to say. I had a quick question regarding penalty kill stats and watching the blues play Nashville the other night. And something interesting happened with the blues on the penalty kill. At first in the league is he wrote this in. Jordan Bennington received a penalty for letting go of his stick during the play. So a penalty shot was awarded to Jonathan Marshall. So and he subsequently scored. Yeah. My question is, does this goal count against the blues PK stats? Nashville was able to continue on the power play. So I assume no, but also didn't know if power plays could quote double dip. So to speak this way, thanks for all you do for the listeners each week. And let's go lose. Boy, I got to tell you something on its face, Zach, I'm sure Kyle's got an answer here, but on his face, I wouldn't know the answer. Just assuming that the power play continued, I would guess no, Kyle. What do you, what do you got in this one? Yeah, you would be right to assume that. However, it was categorized as a power play goal, that penalty shot goal by Marshall in that game. Yes. Yeah. And it was the only situation of that game that the blues were shorthanded. So the stats show at the end of the night that their PK was was 0 for 1 on the game. So it did affect their penalty killing percentage. It did benefit the Predator's power play percentage, even though it was a penalty shot. And the actual two minutes of five on four action didn't produce a goal. It was recorded as a power play marker for for Nashville. I don't recall the last time seeing this of a penalty shot being taken during a power play opportunity. Of course, I'm certain it's happened a bunch of times over history, but that's that's how the league records it. It was a power play goal in this case. So Zach, I went through the rule book while Kyle was droning on and on and on and on, which which is good because it allowed me to go through the rule book by. I found it rule 24.6. No penalty shall expire when a goal is scored against a team on a penalty shot. I was today years old when I learned this. Zach, you taught me something. Thank you very much. I had no idea. I would have just assumed that the penalty would be over. Zach, you have accomplished something that most of us will never accomplish in our lifetimes. Grab Elliot's attention long enough that he learned something. (laughs) Ah, wow, that's a great question, Zach, great job. Okay, Elliot, one last one here, and it comes from Derek from Philly. Hey, guys. - Derek. - Love the pod. Kyle, be nice to Elliot. - Yes. - I think you've got his mistake in here. - Yes, Kyle's very mean to me. - You're listening to the wrong show. I'm very sensitive. - With Cole Canubal making his NHL debut Monday night with the Flyers, it had me wondering, and of course scored a couple of goals on Wednesday. Mike Canubal's last NHL game, his father, was with the Flyers April 27th, 2013. Flyers Captain Sean Couturier was on that team. His son Cole made his NHL debut Monday with the Flyers and Sean Couturier was in the lineup. Has this ever happened before in NHL history? Did a father play his last NHL game with the same team his son made his debut with while having his father's former teammates on said team? I feel like there is no way. On a side note, I feel old. - Well, it had to happen with the house. - Yes, yes. In fact, there's 18 instances. - I gotta think there is some, I gotta think we spent a lot of time talking about the cajox on this part. I gotta think that happened too. - Well, just in the terms of same team. - No, same team, right, right, right, right. - And so I mean 18 instances, I mean, that's just specifics to the house. So there's 18 guys that were there when Gordy played his last game and when I either Marty or Mark played their first. - So that's obviously in Hartford, right? - Yes. - Exactly. - Okay. I'm trying to think of other situations where that might have happened. - There's one, another one, not that long ago. - Does the Stasney's count? Peter and Quebec and Paul and Colorado? - Yes, Elliot. Now, of course, it wasn't with the same team, but there is a player out there that can say they suited up with Peter Stasney for his final game in the league with the St. Louis Blues in '95 and also suited up with Paul Stasney for his first game in the league in October of 2006 with the Colorado Avalanche. - Oh, okay. So it wasn't when Paul Stasney was with the Blues. - Correct. - Okay. - Yeah, this player, energy guy, tough guy, later got into coaching. I picture him with several missing teeth. He was a flyer as assistant coach for a number of years. Then that coach of their farm team. - Eel a perier. - There you go. - I wouldn't have gotten it without of the hint. That was a good hint. - Okay. - So the first guy that jumped into my head was actually Adam Deadmars, but I know that wasn't him. - Okay, yeah, that's a good idea to bring up, though. Okay, so the only other one I'll have you try to get at. So the one that happened before, Sean Couturier's link between Mike Neubel and Cole Coutubel wasn't that long ago. And again, it was an example of same team, father and son, this player, suited up the father's final game and the son's first game. - Same franchise. - Yeah. - When would this have been? - Yes. - Okay, well first, okay. Father's last game, April of 2017, son's first game, March of 2024. - Someone banging on your door. - I know what, I don't know what's going on here. There's been this hotel, this is the hotel we're staying in. It's actually a pretty good hotel, but there's been a lot of strange banging here. Like if you're somebody that doesn't handle like weird noises or gets freaked out in hotels, you would not like this. - Man, I was worried that that was your taxi to the airport. (laughing) - Foof. Okay, give me one more hint. - It's late. - Yeah, this will give it away, but it's what I always come back to. You got in the saddle with the father once. (laughing) - The dones, yes. - Yes. - Yeah, had Lawson Krause is the link. - All Lawson Krause, right. - Shane Dones' final game and Josh Dones' first, both with Arizona. - So it has happened. Not a ton, but it is a unique and special circumstance. - That is, those are great pickups. - Yeah, really great pickups. - And not that big of, I mean, for Krause, like that's not a, what are we talking about there? Seven-year gap? - Yeah. - That's it, like a Churriet at 13 years, but I mean, it just speaks to how long Shane Dones played for. But that's great. Derek, great pickup on that one. - Yeah, that's a great question. - I'm recognizing the link and thanks to the NHL stats and sports net stats for getting to the bottom of it. Okay, another of that. If you would like to submit your own question or idea to the thought line, you can do so by writing an email at 32
[email protected] or leave us a voice mail at 1-833-311-3232. One final break and we'll wrap up this edition of 32 Thoughts on the other side. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) All right, before we go, we are overdue for a check-in on the in-season cup leader board in the first few weeks of the regular season. So, David Amber, he has been down this path before of in-season cup glory. And he is off to a hot start leading the way with 10 total days, all courtesy of his Dallas stars, mind you, interestingly enough, Luke Gassick with five days. Elliot and I both with four. Elliot's Winnipeg Jets and David's Dallas stars. Go ahead to head later tonight on Thursday. Not a lot of chirping between the four of us yet, but it's gonna come here. The animosity's gonna set in. All right, take it us out today. A track from blue bloods. Did you just find yourself at a warehouse party or maybe a prairie Ukrainian community hall? These rust belt roosters keep you guessing. Manitoba-based blue bloods play music that feels like a gagala hosers crashing a midnight social with groove tunes and smoky ballads that explore Manitoba's historic strikes, urban back alleys and wheat fields. Blue bloods core is Courtney Devon on vocals, Sam Little on bass, and Conrad Sweatman on electronics and guitar. With Manitoba Indigenous rapper Christo Jonas Wilson, CJ The Gray, as the frequent stage collaborator. Their album, Discount Everything, follows Blue Bloods 2019 EP Make It Rain, which the Winnipeg Free Press called, a profound statement of intent from an emerging artist whose work will soon be sought after in their four star review. This track along with all the others we featured here at 32 Thoughts can be found on the Spotify playlist, 32 Thoughts, The Music. Here is blue bloods with back in the day, featuring CJ The Gray on 32 Thoughts, The Podcast. Have a great week, a great weekend. We will talk to you from Winnipeg after the Tim Horns winner classic Monday morning. Since I was a toddler, Ernest Woonie has well loved by my mama. Steelish Moves Ageria Cove's bumper shot in alpha, with the blockin' full of grunge. Lunch money, walkin' in me, funny story. Yeah, that's a great three. So when Paris could have been myself to tell my Paris, let me feelin' like Clarice. Teenage party goin' party sober, get it in the fist fight's over and over. That's a light style of any wazin' It's over. AA meetings, many friends didn't go to. Drive over the bus, don't doubt that. Stoblin' that gauntlet was always a knock-ass dealin' with. Weekly can't strong up some wealth that's takin' out. That takes a win on the bruh spook. Between the streets and couch, don't cut a laver, we don't go with 'em. ♪ Back in the ♪
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