Heatproof Your Wardrobe: Summer Fabrics, Breathable Silhouettes & The Return Of Thongs

You're listening too, I'm only your podcast. Whoever said orange is a new pink was seriously disturbed. Moral for spring, groundbreaking. Oh my god! You have to do it, you live for fashion! Hello and welcome to Nothing to Air, the podcast that solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Chelsea Hui and each week we talk about all things fashion to help you figure out how to get more out of the clothes you already own. This week we're going to be talking to Jessica Lucy, who is a curve model, content creator, and she also works for an Australian fashion label. She's worked in and out of different creative industries throughout her career, and there's a real fashion lover. We're into the warmer months, so today we're going to be unpacking all things heat-proof fashion from what fabrics and silhouettes you should be wearing to all the brands you need to be looking out for this summer. It was a really fun episode. We talked about all things from footwear to hats to a boob sweat. It was a lot of fun, we got a lot of styling tips, so let's get into it. Jessica, welcome to The Nothing to Wear Part! Hello! We're very excited to have you here today. But before we jump into the topic we're here to talk about, there's two questions I love to ask all new guests to the pod. The first one is, can you describe your style in three words? It's a hard ask, but. I'm actually so excited for this question, and I had to really think about it, because it's very interesting, so I thought about it, sat with it, and I would describe my style as fluid, elevated, and evolving. I love that, evolving is such a good word. Yeah, I feel evolving because I'm always like, I feel I'm very classic. I like to dress very classic, but I'd like to dip my toes in trends as well. And I think, especially being plus size, I like to experiment as well in those sort of trends, and I feel like that's why it's always evolving as well, evolving. I love that. What items make up 10% of your wardrobe that you wear 90% at the time? I think, for me, it is a basic cotton tea, like me too. I'm literally wearing one today. I think, for me, I like to style them back with the more elevated pieces that I have in my wardrobe, so I could wear some sort of suited pants, or like today, wearing a satin bias cut skirt, and I think it's really fun to layer those pieces with those items, just to sort of elevate them a bit more, but it's comfy, because I always wear them to the cotton shirts, to the gym, everywhere else as well. So it's like a staple that I wear in so many different ways in my wardrobe. Yeah, a good quality tea is just one of those versatile pieces that you can throw on for really any occasion. I love exactly what you were saying, like dressing down dressier pieces. So I love even an embellished skirt throw on a t-shirt, and immediately it's kind of wearable for every day. Yes. Love that. Okay, so before we jump into talking about all things sort of summer fashion, I wanted to get a little bit of insight into you and your career. So first, let's get back to the beginning. So you've done a lot of modeling and content creation. How did this sort of all start for you? Well, it kind of like had this like slow evolution in a way. So I was working for a fashion retailer in a retail store for many years. And I always loved fashion and always had a passion for it. And while working in that retail store, there was a modeling competition. It was called the United Curves Model Search. And so I entered that modeling competition and I got in the top 10. And I just thought that was wild, so that was Australia-wide. And I thought, oh my goodness, is this happening? And that sort of is what escalated my career into modeling. I then started creating content on social media, sharing my outfits. It became a bit of a passion of mine because it was a bit of a pain point as well. Like I was like, I want to wear cool clothes. And I want to see people like me represented in the media, things like that. And it became a passion of mine to start sharing my, I guess, in profession inspiration. So then content creation then naturally led into me being signed with an agency. So then I started modeling more professionally. And that sort of escalated there. And then naturally just being in that space, I had gains like a lot of connections. I was a part of a Facebook group called The Founding 50, the career path I've gone for. I'm now working for a clothing label called DeGale. And so their size is 14 to 24. And so now I work for a clothing brand running their social media, doing their content creation, and influence a partnership. So it's a really exciting space to be in. So it kind of like marries up with everything I do in, I guess, the modeling and fashion world as well. Yeah, I love that. And when it comes to fashion, obviously you're in the fashion industry, like in fashion, you're always kind of around it. What is it in particular that inspires you? I just think I want to break the ceiling. I just want to keep breaking that ceiling that I feel like for so many years, there's like this misconception that people who are above a size 14 don't want to participate in trends or don't want, you know, to wear what everybody else is wearing. So I think that's where my main drive is. There's like, no, I just really want to sort of keep challenging that barrier. And you talked a little bit about, they're being gaps in terms of your experience of fashion, prior to kind of entering the industry. What have sort of been the highs and the lows of being in the Australian fashion industry from your experience? I think the highs have definitely been that there has been such a huge progress. Like there has been massive progress in the space and you do see a lot of brands extending their sizes, which is really exciting to see. But in that same breath, when those brands do extend their sizes, they get backlash. Like it's not good enough, but I think we should keep celebrating the progress. And I think that's where that high and low comes in as you can see, that progress happening. Yeah, like is it happening fast enough? Like maybe not, but I think we should reflect and say it is happening. There are people responding. There are brands that are trying to do better. But I think as well, there's also the lows is when there is a plus size brand that sort of brings out, I guess, clothing that is, I guess, what women have been asking for. But then there's that backlash, like all the price points too high. Or there's always that sort of like, you know, that hard sort of ground. Or it's like, well, this is what we were asking for. We've made a product, like, you know, for me, I love brands like Dish. But they do stop at a size 16. So, you know, when a brand like DeGale does release, I guess, trends that are similar in line, there is that sort of, like, that would be something that would be hard if there's that sort of backlash saying that the price points unattainable or things like that. So I think there's like so many highs like there's progress, but I guess that is that bit of the low sort of trying to navigate that as well. I love that idea of, like, as you've put it sort of celebrating progress and not necessarily perfection and really encouraging brands to continue to become more diverse. And yeah, I love that idea. Today, you're going to be talking about, we really want all your fashion tips and all of your insights. We're going to be talking about all things summer. It's February. It's very hot. And I think it is a struggle to one stay on top of what the summer trends are, but also dress for hot weather. That is a challenge for a lot of people. So we're going to be talking about all things like picking the right fabrics, footwear, different silhouettes. So first up, let's start with fabrics. Yeah. We're always told to wear natural fibers like cotton and linen and things, but sometimes I do feel like fabrics like cotton do kind of hold on to sweat and cling a little bit. I'm curious for you, what are your personal go-to fabrics for this summer time? I think for me, linen and cotton divers, like, that's where I tend to sort of always gravitate towards. But I think there's also, you know, if you do want to sort of wear fabrics that aren't as breathable, I think that's what it ties back to. Like, I love to wear like a cotton tea. Like, if my bottoms aren't necessarily a more breathable fabric, I sort of like to sort of layer or pair it with an item that might help have that sort of airflow and breathability. So I think I do sort of always gravitate more towards the linens and cottons. And I think like the weave and everything makes a huge difference too in terms of like the airflow. So it just really depends on how tight or how thick the fabric is too. But I do feel cotton and linen are definitely your go-to fabrics for summer. Yeah. Yeah, for sure to stay cool. I would agree. Linen for me is like top choice for summer. A random one for me also is like, this sounds crazy, but marina wool. I know that's usually associated with wintertime, but like a very thin sort of marina wool. Well, it's the same as like the wool blankets that keep you cool and warm. Yes. Like 100%. I think there is definitely a space for like nets and wool in summer. Yeah. Sort of worn correctly. Agreed. I think it's 100% what you were saying. It's to do with the thickness, how it's woven. And like marina wool is a great one because it like firmer regulates. Yeah. So I think you cool it in the summer and I think that's like something that sounds ridiculous. Because it's done. Yeah. Yeah. 100% it's left on. Yeah. Okay. So we talked about fabrics. What about the cut of an item? When it comes to summer, we want airflow. What are the specific silhouettes that you sort of gravitate towards? What I'm seeing a lot lately is they're like the long tunics. Yep. And they're not, a lot of them aren't necessarily cotton or linen. They aren't, they might be like a visco or a polyester, just say. But because they have like a side split or they have something in there, that's going to sort of promote that airflow. So I think when you're looking at certain cuts, you know, if you have a t-shirt that has the little side splits or you have sort of like a boat neck tee, that sort of shows a bit of shoulder like, you know, heat rises. So I think like if we're being mindful of how sort of like the air is going to escape and like when it's sort of coming out of our bodies, so to speak, I think that's really important in terms of cuts of like different items. So I think that's where it ties back. Like if I am going to wear a top like that, that is a bit longer. I do look for those little splits and those little things that are going to create a bit of movement, airflow, not too tight. That's a great tip as well. I think it doesn't have to be like, obviously we talk about fabric, we talk about cut. It could be either all, like you could have, you know, if the material is not necessarily one that's super breathable, the cut and you're saying things like a slit or the way that the material is cut makes a huge difference in terms of whether it's going to make you really hot during the day. Yeah, and like a line flow redress and things like that. Yeah, definitely things that I look out for. Love that. And are there any particular Aussie brands that you feel like are really nailing the breathable lightweight sort of styles that we should be wearing during summer? Oh my gosh, there's a couple. I think, like for me personally, at the moment, I love brands like Vagerie, the label, they do beautiful flowy dresses. Gorgeous for summer, I do find that, like I've got pieces from them that just repeat every summer because they're just a perfect throw one. Yeah. Commonery also do a lot of like beautiful sort of linens and stuff and cottons as well, like your poplin sort of cottonties, things like that. Other brands that I don't necessarily shop at, but I think are doing really well. A brand like Sneaky Link, Verge Girl, seeing them pop up everywhere and sort of seeing those sort of like, you know, cotton shirt trends over like, you know, a sequins skirt, for example. And I think like that's a really cool way to sort of play with fashion but I think you could still be quite cool in a skirt like that. So I think they're doing it really well at the moment. What are some really simple styling tips that you feel like can really elevate an outfit during summer? Honestly, I think it's cliche, but accessories. I think accessories like, for example, I have this really plain linen dress. It's just sort of like, maxi sort of dress. And it does, it's just plain white linen. And so to really elevate it, like I'm loving the scarf trends, like wrapping a scarf around the waist or, you know, the bangles. Big chunky bangles at the moment. Chunky necklaces, I think, you know, your beaded necklaces. If you have these like really interesting sort of elements to your outfit, I think, you know, if you have a really plain outfit, that's the way you can sort of really elevate your look inside. I was going to say the necklace you're wearing today. It's like kind of too layered. It's got curls. It's like a statement necklace. I love it. Pick this one up from De Cueber actually. Yeah, it's very nice. Just caught my eye and I was like, yeah, you're coming in with me. I love it. I love it so much. Cool. So chic. And I agree. I think when it is summer and it's hot, fuss-free dressing is often the way that I personally go. And so dressing in a way that's lightweight, but then throwing on accessories is like the best way to still feel like you're put together. And you're still a fashion girl. Yeah, yeah, same. There's obviously trends that come and go. What is the fashion trend this season that you're like most excited about? I think it gets you really excited that you're excited to be a part of. I'm actually obsessed with the sequence. Like, which is a little bit crazy for me because I am a little bit more of your sort of classic minimalist at times. But I'm seeing that. I'm like, that's something I can sort of keep my toes in again. I think that goes back to my evolving fashion style where I see that. And because like today I'm wearing a satin-bice cut skirt with a tee. I see myself wearing something like that because it's something that I'm already loving. Right. And I think sequence always come back. They're always having a moment. So I'm very conscious of like not sort of like jumping on a trend. Like just because. And so I really need to sit and think about how I'm going to incorporate it into my wardrobe. Right. It does excite me. It's something that I feel will sort of, you know, even like if you have it ears down to come, that could be the only thing you want to go to a mermaid as a mermaid to address that party. So you can read where exactly. I think it's just one of those items that I think are fun. Is that your usual approach to sort of trends? Like there are so many trends, micro trends that come up every single year. Obviously we both work in fashion. What is your sort of approach to like seeing a trend whether you invest in it and are you someone who generally buys into trends? Yeah, I deepen it out. Like I think there's been times where I can't participate in a trend, which is interesting because it's not, I guess, in my size. Or like things like that, which is, for example, the scarf trend was one that I really wanted to be a part of. But every story went into I put a scarf around my waist and it wasn't big enough. And so I was actually sitting in the office a couple of months ago. And I turned to Jamie, our designer, I went, Jamie, I need a scarf. I need a scarf. I just want, I really loved the sort of silhouette that it gave. And I really wanted to participate in that trend. And in my head, a scarf is something that has multi-users and it's something that I really wanted to incorporate in my wardrobe. So I turned to her and I said, "Please, can you please design a scarf for us plus size divers? I think I need one." And she did it. And so I'm so excited for that. I love that. I think it's a type of garment that anyone could actually buy because, you know, I have a friend that isn't plus size that she tried on and it looked beautiful as a little tied dress on her and I'm like, "Oh my goodness." Out loud as, "Hey, it's Mia." And I have news for 2026. I'm back on Out Loud. My long service leave is over and I am back in your ears because I've missed you. I'm going to be doing subscriber episodes twice a week all year. So if you've missed my voice and my chaos and the way I said premiere, subscribe to my mum and me via the link in the show notes if you're not already a subscriber. Well, I go and make myself a giant bucket of tea and find an outfit that Jessie will hate. I'm excited. Let's go. So when it comes to summer, we all know the dreaded boob sweat. It's inevitable, happens to us all. Is there a specific bra or bra let that is breathable but supportive that you like? Yeah, I really love Nala. So I know that they use sort of like a bamboo type fabric and sort of booty. Beauty and Nala, I probably might go to for like breathability, comfort, everything. So whether you prefer, I guess, an underwire or not, they have like both those options at Nala, which I love. But I feel like it's very moisture wicking. Those sorts of materials similar to sort of active wear, things like that. So they're definitely my go-tos for undergarments in summer. Just for that breathability, I don't tend to really go for any of like the lazy ones I like to go for comfort. Yeah, I'm the same. Comfort is like especially during summer. Yes. The Bando tops and things I love too in summer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, comfort, yeah, you're saying it's very important to me too when it comes to dressing in any sort of way. But even like footwear, very, very important to have a comfortable shoe. I feel like in summer, sometimes I love a sneaker, I'm a sneaker girl like through and through. But I find during summer, it can be a little warm and not necessarily like my number one shoe of choice. What about for you? Like what are you loving this time of year on your feet? Can I just say I am so happy that thongs are back? Me too. Let's say it again. Thongs are back. Thongs are back. Like I'm into it and even the little kitten heels. We're both wearing a pair of little kitten heels on face. I'm not one to sort of like care that my dogs are out in the office. Same. I could tell us. I'm glad that I work in an office space that like isn't as corporate. I mean, can sort of have fun with fashion. But as soon as I saw like thongs coming back like arches and all those really cool fun colors. I was like, yeah, that's my that's my jam. But I think my alternate would probably I've been loving like the mesh ballet flats as well. Me too. And sort of like any of like those fishnet sort of mules and things like that love. So I think they're really cool alternatives. But I think as well like yeah, sort of soft leather slides. Like if you're looking for something more like for an all day wear comfortable. Like I think like looking at like sort of like your Birkenstocks and things like that. Your fishermen sandals that have a bit more of that support. Frankie for a really great brand for sort of comfortability in terms of like sandals that look really elevated. So definitely my go to there. Yeah. So many good options. I love that. But I love that we've aligned on a like a sandal. I love it. And okay. We've talked about a bunch of things fabrics, silhouettes, shoes. When it comes to dresses, obviously a summer sort of staple flowy dresses. I've really everywhere during the summer. What are some of the brands that you're personally loving right now that do like the flowy airy dress really well? I have a dress from Fate the Label that it's cotton rib at the top. And it has like that little V line and then that real a line skirt. Yeah, I love that. That is probably one of my favorite dresses that I have in my wardrobe. Because it's same again like can pop it on. It's just effortless. And I think that's probably like my if I could say my number one dress that I have on rotation all the time. I love that. Is that one because yeah. What color did you say it was? It's white. It's just plain white. I'm not a big print girl like I do have a few different prints but I'm very particular on my prints. But you will see me wearing a lot of sort of neutral colors. I'm a very neutral girly. And then I find that I accessorize with my colors and makes it like my bag and things like that. And to be like more printed or again like a printed scarf or a little accent. I love that. I mean, I'm a neutral girly as well. And some is usually a time that's often associated with like bright pops of color. Yes. You can have a little bit more fun. So like for the neutral girlies like us out there. What is a way that you can kind of incorporate or you talk to a little bit accessories. Yeah. The best way to incorporate pops of color if that's not usually sort of the palette that you go for. I think definitely like keep in mind. Like I think keeping in mind sort of what your sort of favorite color is in terms of like your tone. Like what you want to wear. If you sort of like buy accessories in that color. Like if I know at home I have a lot of I have some yellow shoes. For example, like if I see like a shirt that has like yellow elements in it. I'll be like, okay, that's going to fit back with my like my white skirt. Or you know, I like to sort of think about what I've already got at home. And if I see something in that color, I'm like that's going to mix and match perfectly. Or colors that go together. Like I love pink and red together things like that. Yeah. So I think just. I'm not afraid like if you're a neutral dresser. Like having that little bit of dopamine in your accessories and in those little elements. So if you see like a pair of sunglasses that have like a red rim and things like that. I think that's how you can sort of add in those sort of pops of color and detail. Yeah. I also love that tip, the idea of shopping colors that you already like. Yeah. Because then I think oftentimes you are if you are sort of chasing whatever color might be in season right now. Or everyone else is wearing the seasons do cycle through. And I think a really great way to do it is by colors that spark joy for you personally. And that's something that you can rewear for seasons to come. Yeah, I agree. I love that. I mean talking of the color of the year or color of the seasons. There's obviously a lot of talk about what that is for summer. And your opinion like what's the color of this summer or the color that we're going to be seeing everywhere on everyone? I think like your buttery yellow and your soft blue. Yes. I think I'm going to be those colors which excites me as a neutral girl because I think they pair so well with neutral colors. So even like your soft blue with brown. Like your chalky girls who love that chalky brown color. I think blue looks beautiful both yellow and brown to be honest. So I think that's definitely the color of the summer. I'm seeing that color sort of coming in everywhere at the moment. Yeah. I mean blue I remember like spring summer 26 like all across the runways. There was so many blue accents and things and the pairing of like brown and blue. So I agree with you on that. I think that color is going to be everywhere this summer. And also like yellow and like a buddy yellow and a light blue kind of feel neutral adjacent. Like what you were saying. Yes. 100%. I actually feel like bright pops of colors to me and something that feel like really easily integrable into any sort of wardrobe. Yeah, especially if you have like a chocolate brown bag. For example, I feel that's like another dark element to add to sort of like the light that you're playing with. I think you know sometimes black can be really harsh. And so I think like those browns, browns still having a moment as well this summer. Yeah. I can notice. So I love that browns still incorporates and goes with those colors too. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to talk a little bit about your work at DeGale. We spoke about it a little bit today. But you're obviously doing content and community management. Talk to me a little bit about the work that you do there and also why it's so important to you. Yeah. So that goes back to the founding 50. I was a part of that Facebook group. And so a little bit more about that is they got a bunch of women together in this Facebook group before they even launched the brand. And I was actually a part of that group. They did like teams meetings where everyone gave feedback like so it was women who were above a size 14 sort of just giving feedback about what we want. What we want to see in in fashion and and what I guess what needs to sort of change in the in the space. And so that really excited me being a part of that group and being a part of that process. And you know, I didn't think that I like didn't think that it was going to go anywhere from there, but one day DeGale slid into my DMs and was like, Hey, we'd love to chat to you further. So I sort of met with them and they're saying, Look, we're looking for someone to sort of champion our brand and and be that face of the community because I do like we do have a bit of a community online in that sort of curve space. And they just wanted someone to sort of champion that and so I feel it's almost like sort of like a ambassador for the brand as well like when I come online like people sort of relate to that. So it's sort of like that community that that's where that sense of community comes from. So when I joined the team, they were looking for someone to sort of manage the socials and obviously with my content creator background as well, I sort of brought that to the table. So I get to have a lot of fun in that space. So obviously there's all the admin work all that all that sort of stuff, but I think my main role there is like that community engagement and also that content creation piece. So I love we just recently did the holiday hotline and we got like this old vintage phone and everything. So I get to be really creative with that and I just absolutely love that element of it because I am a very creative person at heart. So that's like my main role there is creating content, creating like maybe like strategies as well. So like marketing strategies or I also like I think I like to like really I wear many hats. Yeah, I wear many hats because I even help like with design feedback and things like that too. So I'm very much involved. It's a very like tight knit team. And I guess you talked about you come from a content creation background. Being in that sort of industry yourself and doing that for your own personal brand. How does that sort of affect how you create content for a brand like to gale for example. I think what I love is I don't feel like they let me just be myself as well. And so we're like we've created a few funny TikToks and I think it's really like I think it's fun that they let me just be my own personality in that space as well. And a lot of my content is very similar like in terms of like how I create content is very similar for the brand and for my own personal brand too. In terms of like you know how we do like the close-up shots and all these like beautiful like visuals in sort of the videos and things. So I think it's very like very much similar. Being someone who works in content creation and fashion and you're sort of in the space where you're always seeing kind of what brands are doing. What are the brands that you think are doing really well when it comes to size inclusivity. Whether that's to do with representation in campaigns or talking about stocking wider range of sizes. What are the brands that you think are like really the forefront and doing it well. I think at the moment I see a lot the lower bike. I love the lower bike. I think they always sort of using diverse models. I see that fate the label as well. I think you always see sort of that diversity in their campaigns or in their modeling too. And I just recently saw booty do a big campaign and I thought it was beautiful and I loved his diversity there as well. So that's like from brands that I sort of have my eyes on because you know I follow them because they stock my size. But that's something that's always coming up up on my feet and it brings me a lot of joy when I see that. And obviously there's been a lot of change in the industry over the years. Whether that be fast enough or not there's been progress at least over the last several years. What do you think though is the biggest misconception when it comes to fashion currently. There's this misconception that all women don't want to participate in trend or don't want to sort of wear what someone else who you know is a size 10 might be wearing. Like for me I'm like I want I want a sequence good like I don't know showing a bit of my legs like I think that's probably like the biggest misconception. And I think like that's not only just in the fashion industry. I think like even individuals have a long way to go in their own confidence because for so many years they haven't I guess had that representation. And so they might be a little bit scared to participate in those trends or dress a certain way because of maybe how they think that it's going to be perceived or things like that. So I think that's probably like the biggest one and I think yeah it still has a lot of there has been a lot of progress as we said but I think a lot to do yeah. So I think visibility and having more sort of like bodies and campaigns and things like that is just going to help people to sort of really own their personal style as well and feel that they can sort of like not have to be in one box. Yeah. I mean I see importance of representation is sometimes you have to see it to know something as possible. Yeah. I think when you grow up not seeing any representation yourself in the media and campaigns in fashion. Yeah. It's not something you even know you can try you know. Yeah. So what are some of the changes that you would personally like to see moving forward in the fashion industry. Obviously we've talked about there being progress and that the fact that there's more to be done. What's one thing that you just would really like to see change? I think just just general accessibility. I think you know that there is even the element of maybe a price point not being accessible so maybe there has to be more brands that do sort of offer. I guess an accessible price point like I know you do have your brands like your target and things like that. So I think it'd be really important for those sorts of brands to sort of look into I guess being a little bit more explorative with their styles. I think target do it really well. I think targets one of my favourite sort of like more budget brands. But I think there's definitely space to sort of include be more inclusive not only in size which I know we've talked about a bit but also just in sort of accessibility in all aspects. So and even just mindful in sort of designs as well and wearability and things like that. There's a few different sort of things that I think sort of need that improvement there as well. And like being able to access trends at all different price points I think that's important for sure. Quick question. Are you tired of the news? Do you want a podcast that isn't self-improvement? Come get unleashed. It's funny. I also think that underwear is sort of almost like a new marriage. Like it starts off it gives you the best of what it offers at the beginning. 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I do. I love them. Love them. It's like a chalky burgundy sort of colour. Love them. I saw a photo of them. I have been dreaming of them. So that would probably be my bougie pick. A liar's got incredible shoes. Nothing I can afford. We can dream from afar. I'm with you. But I'm like they're beautiful. But there's definitely I've seen jups. I have seen jups. So it's definitely something that is definitely budget friendly if you sort of want to go there but you can find jups. Yeah. Love that. Okay. I'll do my bougie and then we can move on to the budget. So my bougie. It's not actually that bougie but dish has this chocolate silk skirt. So silk I think perfect for summer. We talked about natural fibers and how breathable they are. This one's around $229. Really beautiful, really wearable. I'm a real chocolate brown kind of girl and we talked a little bit about how that's still really trending this summer. So that's one that I will be buying and adding to my wardrobe. And it's still good. It's just so versatile. Even not during summer. Winter for really any sort of season. It's something that goes with everything. Yeah, I agree. Like in come winter, you'll see me wearing my silk or satin skirt with blazes. Yes. Even jumpers over tar. Yes. So versatile. Okay. Do you want to do your budget? Yeah. My budget. I at the moment my one of my favorite shoe brands is therapy shoes. So I find that they sort of dip in those trends. If you are liking those sort of kitten heels, thong sandals, things like that, they aren't nailing it with the colors and everything at the moment. Yeah. So if you're sort of again looking for that budget friendly footwear brand, I think therapy is fantastic. Yeah. I love that one so many pairs of therapy shoes. Really affordable and really hold up well. Yes. I've got pairs that I've had for years. I love that brand. Okay. My budget, we talked about Lullaby Club. Mine is a sun hat, 49.95. It's kind of a gingham print hat. It's got these two little, I know what you call these ribbons on the side. Yes. I think a hat is such a summer staple and it's so underrated because it's something you need every weekend you go out, pop it on. Yeah. One for sun protection, but two just for like fashion. Yes. I think it's a fun way to add a little interest. A little pop of color. Yeah. And it feels like a fashion gully item you can throw on. So yeah, that's mine. I feel like that's one that is not too expensive that you can pick up that I feel like you would be there kind of all through the summer. Yeah, gorgeous. I love that. I have a few of those sort of straw hats, things like that. I can't go to the beach without it. I do not want sunburn on my scalp. No, thank you. Yeah, I actually, in its heart, like I know there are SPF brands out there that you can spray your scalp, but your hat is your shoreway that I agree. And I love that like larger brim hats are now really trendy and in again. So I love that. 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