Health and Capitalism: the need for wholeness and how LEON will help

[MUSIC] So hello, we're focusing the John Vincent podcast voiced by someone who isn't John Vincent. John Vincent is coming up on his own like way. On his own podcast shortly. My name's James Bauer, I've just had the privilege and the pleasure of interviewing John for the last- Very nice. About five hours of the episode- I've never been talking in general. And I thought it'd be really useful for the listeners of your podcast to understand the bridge between podcast books, your methodology, your thinking, your heart, your soul, and the business that you then sold now have bought back, etc. It will be really handy. Would you like to look out your own mind as well? No, no, no, no, thank you. Three therapy. I think the job is- is there anyone that does that format where the podcast is then being interviewed every week by a celebrity guest? I don't think so. No, no, because that would be nice to see some of it. That would be- It would also be good content. It would be funny, wouldn't it? It would be great, nice to see it. Nice is Matt's best. Yeah, would you like to help my podcast? Yeah, good. Would you like to ask me? I'll ask you. Don't really put people on the back, but would you? Would you talk about it? No, have you prepped anything for me? No. Yeah, very good. This is the first ever topic. Oh, you guys find out about me? It's all this, just a load. What other current select? I suppose that's very good. Very good thing. You got on the post then. Very good thing on the post. Modern select, PSI. I think I'm doing something, Mr Beast. Wow, you really are. You're doing something? Yeah, right, you know what, you're good. So, what is the link? What is the link between this podcast, the books, the restaurant, because it's all intertwined, because you talk about homeless. Things, the whole thing. Everything's the whole thing. So, and there is someone here, you can even come on the minute I say hello. So, there's Julian here. He's sitting over there somewhere. I can only call him Seafir. He said, "Yes, I see for you." Yes, I have to. When he's training me, I have to call him Seafir and I do. I do respect him all times, especially when he's training. But, the, I think, what I, the great gift you're giving me is really to sort of as part of the John Vista podcast to create a moment where we acknowledge the fact that I'm now bought Leon back and you're explained to both of the viewers of the John Vista podcast that both have written in by me. No, they can probably hear somewhere. They're probably downstairs. So, yes, so it's a good, really sort of like break point for me to explain. Look, all the time that I'm in the John Vista podcast, I didn't own Leon. And now do only on and the relative, how they work together. I think the, what I realize that Leon was always only. Yes, it was about making easy for everyone to eat well. But it was really about nourishing people's journey towards wholeness. We'd never talked about that because we thought that people wouldn't understand it. People might think it was a bit over the top out there. Out there. Yeah, yeah. But the, you know, we always talked about the real, real benefit of Leon was eating well physically. So the function of benefit was eating good food that tastes good and does good and is good for the planet. The emotional benefit we always thought was hope. You went into a Leon and you felt this positive hope. And the kind of conceptual psychological benefit was really the fact that people felt that they were being nourished in all senses on their journey towards wholeness, connection, harmony, balance. And you know, when we walked back Leon, I wrote a book on the homepage. You know, it is said, it was actually Tony that gave me the line. That's a me for Julian. Julian's wife was the idea that we are all homesick, homesick for a diviner. The idea that we all feel that we have been separated from what was a more symbiotic relationship with the planet in a way that you might see a tribe having a positive relationship with each other in the planet. And that we've somehow been through, you know, the horticultural agrarian and then subsequently the industrial and now the digital revolutions. That we've been increasingly separated from ourselves and from each other and from nature. And so, you know, the whole point after we sold it on it to really 21 was I was kind of looking searching for a continuation of what Julian and I do on the Winnie not fighting program platform book podcast, which is all about really Julian's martial art of Wing Chun, which was Bruce Lee's martial art popularized by Bruce Lee, but adopted and, you know, taught by people like Itman, where it's really about seeing life through the lens of realizing that we shouldn't associate success with fighting. And in fact, as soon as we're fighting, we're losing. So, you know, I had an opportunity after selling me on to really continue that work with Julian and then I'm particularly interested as well in the idea of combining ancient healing and modern medicine. And in fact, a lot of the hypotheses that we have in modern medicine are actually either from indigenous shamanic practices, be they energy medicine or be they some of the herbs that are now being synthesized for drugs. So, or it could be Iveydic, it could be traditional Chinese medicine, it could be energy medicine peptides, phages, whatever it is that's that's really the current kind of breakthroughs that we're seeing in science, combining the two. And then, realize that really Leon is the most hopefully the most powerful platform I could find to do that on a bigger scale now through food. So, we ended up with the idea of this thing called the the well-being multiplier that we started at Leon and we did more rattly within the John Vincent podcast, which is this idea of psychological, emotional and physical health. And it also borrows from the lessons from Julian and William Notfighting and Wing Chun, which is all about psychological or health being purpose, having freedom and responsibility. And then emotional health being about how we connect with ourselves and each other. And then physical health being about the combination of obviously movement, sleep, exercise, food, etc. So, we created this thing called the well-being multiplier that's multifaceted within the John Vincent podcast. And then, Leon is really looking all of that through the lens of food. So, it's still looking at all of the dimensions, it's saying how food affects sleep and how sleep affects food. You know, so whilst the John Vincent podcast is looking at all of these facets equally, the door into the well-being multiplier of Leon is food. Does that make sense? Yeah, I was thinking about it. You know, we brought back Leon, Ada, you know, our thinking Julian, the reasons for bringing about Leon are almost covered by the four doors, because the reasons for bringing about Leon are one, because we wanted to rescue it. So, that's the kind of ego, ego, or not ego, that's like self-focus need. Then it was about, because we wanted to help others in a sort of door to, you know, the Chum Q way, which is about to help others eat well. Then it was, it took to really free ourselves by giving ourselves the freedom to do bigger things in beauty. And then it was all about really love, wholeness, and connection in the four doors. So, the reasons that we brought back Leon really are as exemplified by all of the Wing Chun principles. But the fundamental reason was the feed returns were to save Leon, to make it easier for everyone to eat and live well, to help people enjoy natural health, and to show that it's possible to run a business based on love and wholeness, not just on making money. So, that's the link really. The job is about helping people enjoy kind of the natural health that's rightfully there, as we think, through ancient healing and modern medicine, like to help people feel more alive, and Leon is a wonderful opportunity to do it. Exactly that. But through the lens of food, connected with this idea of wholeness, which has always been fundamental to Leon, nourishing the journey towards wholeness. And we did a little episode at the start of the podcast, episode zero, which was explaining why everything I've done, I think, has been in search of wholeness. Be it an understanding of the kind of history of socialism, philosophy, science, spying, I did at university, the interactive marketing work, I did at PNG, the work we did at Bain, to understand systems and companies, the school food plan that we did, which was entirely based on love, ended up with free school meals for all infants, the council for sustainable business, weren't I, I did with the government, Leon itself. All of these things have been in pursuit of wholeness. So, the idea of total health, the idea of that total natural health is something that I feel Leon can help me do through the lens of food. But it's very nice you to ask me a question, and then accept that monologue from me. So thank you. No, for you really. I'm really, really, really grateful. So people who are fans of the podcast couldn't expect more of ancient healing modern medicine. Yes. And maybe people that you come in to contact with throughout the business journey of Leon. Thank you. Exactly. I think we're trying to, I mean, one of the things that the podcast will continue with all of the, I guess, hopefully, credible entries that I think we've been lucky to get so far, but through this lens of ancient healing modern medicine, I would obviously, given the fact that we're now running Leon again, I would like to make sure that a good amount of those are seeing it through the lens of nutrition, the lens of regenerative farming, understanding the role of food in the kind of, if we still believe in it, which I think we do, the whole blue zone kind of idea, and understand, you know, what makes good food now. Why, you know, we've just seen RFK in America, somewhat reverse the pyramid of the food pyramid. You've literally been designed, haven't you? Yeah, it was based, you know, for the last 40 or so years on the thinking, effectively forced on the American people by the US Department of Agriculture and it was the US Department of Agriculture at the very once lobbied for, great, that one that had grain at the bottom. Yeah, grain and cereal. Fun is the foundation of your. That's what they made, so that was. Who knew? That what they made should be at the bottom of that pyramid, but what they made were the money from. So, you know, I think we're in a very exciting time for food. We're realising that proper, unprocessed food is what we should be eating. We shouldn't be as scared of animal fat. If it's effectively reared and well-reared, we shouldn't be afraid of eggs. We shouldn't, you know, we just need to be celebrating all natural food. And that's what Leon was always about. And I think it's a very exciting time now within health to realise that we shouldn't have a negative relationship with food. We have a positive relationship with food. And a joyous relationship with food. And actually, food is essential, but it's not the only thing. Look at the role of positive relationships that can be impacted through food or the role of positivity and purpose that can be through food. But, you know, this podcast is really about ancient and healing medicine. It's about the idea of this wellbeing multiplier. And now, through Leon, we have a wonderful opportunity to look at that doorway, that lens of food. And I think it's interesting, because when we do the martial art, Sunim Tao, a junior one explains to people, means way of little idea. And everything is clearly, ultimately, connected and everything is wholeness. But we can't contemplate wholeness necessarily. Too big, isn't it? We have to find a way in. So that's why in Wing Chun, Julian and others talk about the four doors of Wing Chun. Each, you know, you would have done Sunim Tao or Chum Kyi and Vyujee. But each door, each form of Wing Chun, is a new door. Because you don't want to have the whole of the house opened up to you initially. You have to go into a hallway, be acclimatized, understand. So although the drummers of podcast is fundamentally about all of those things connecting through total health, the wellbeing multiplier, you've got to find little doors into the house. If this is a give people what they want and then serve them what they need. You can't. And there's a great phrase, which is Julian Kremme from Wrong. But it's like, when you finally in the fourth door, you see the temple again, like you did the first time, but you realize it's a golden temple. I think you're so if who told you it's a similar thing, right Julian? So or told you that thing and that's what you expect to your students. And that's what it is really. You can't contemplate when you first glimpse the whole. You can't contemplate how powerful it is. It's a bit like the analogy you've got to go into a wood, see all of the trees and then Kremme back out of the wood and you'll see in the same wood, but your knowledge and understanding of the wood is now changed even though you're perspective is exactly the same as you first saw it standing on the mountain. And I think that the the John Vittor podcast is trying to give people little doors into the whole. So the John Vittor podcast is really about all each of those little doors and Leon in particular is providing the Sunintaul, the way of the little idea, the door through food and that's the role of Leon now to really allow us to use food as the way into this idea of the well being multiplier. So I mean, you think of the brand differently when you think of it instead of it being because someone would go, a lot of people might go, what a big undertaking, but actually this is just the way of the little idea. We just use this as the doorway into the hole. So actually, we look at it from that perspective. It's like, this is one piece of a big, high-disposal. Exactly. It's like a hologram. It's like all these different aspects. And I think, you know, when you contemplate the whole, I'd definitely just sometimes looking at it from above or from below, you're looking at it from above, you're inside it and perspective is a really interesting thing. And what you want to end up with to contemplate wholeness is to be able to understand the first verse of the Douda Ching, which is really such this idea that the Doud is the kind of unnamed everything. The universe called it the Doud. Unnamed, it's the uncontemplatable, the wholeness of everything that you cannot possibly understand. But separated into 10,000 things when you name the difference between a table and an apple or an apple and a branch or a branch and a root. When you start to name those things, you break them down into things that humans can understand. We crave segmentation and understanding and separation to believe for our brains to feel comfortable that we've contemplated what is actually the chaos of the unfathomable unity of the world of the universe. It's so difficult for our brains to understand. No more than the hand can grasp itself. We can't grasp the universe without cognitive abilities any more than the hand can grasp itself. So we tend to name things and we give ourselves confidence that we've understood the universe. If we go monkey or tree, that's us humans in proposing our own constructs and stories onto what is actually a much more complicated reality. The first verse of the Dada Ching explains that the universe is actually unexplainable. It's powerful. So our brains can't comprehend it. And the DOW, unnamed, is that amazing, eternal, powerful thing. But named, understood, broken into these 10,000 things, that's things that we can contemplate. So what we're trying to do with both Leon and the John Winsor broadcast is to contemplate those separate things, but as Leonardo da Vinci saw, when you look at a microcosm, like something a little shell, called into the Fibonacci sequence, it's actually replicated on a grand scale through a tornado or through a galaxy. The Fibonacci spiral of a galaxy is the same Fibonacci spiral of a storm and is the same Fibonacci sequence of an autolous shell. So it's all about how we're constantly looking at the minutest thing within Leon or within the John Winsor broadcast, but recognizing how that connects to the patterns that are happening at a much larger scale, to the extent that it gets to the point where we can't contemplate. And we want to take things with the John Winsor broadcast to the Leon, to the just to that point where we've understood enough and we're about to lose it. Just before it becomes not valuable. That's pretty broken. Earlier about this idea that when a Taoist lost his goodness, when goodness is lost his morality and when morality is lost his ritual, you try to get as close as possible to an understanding of the Tao as close as possible to goodness. But if you become conscious of it and you name it, like the word goodness, or if you turn it into rules like morality or rituals and conventions like rosary beads and prayers in rituals, you've got to get as close as you possibly can to understanding the whole, but we will never be able to do that. We've got to get as close as we can. And that's what the podcast is about. But we're not fighting. It's about with Julian. And it's kind of what Leon is about. She's nourishing people's journey to also getting us close to an understanding or an innate understanding of the Tao as possible. Amazing. Cool. I'm playing with me. Oh my podcast. Thanks for having me. You're a lot better than me. I wouldn't have come up with an analogy of tree branch. I wouldn't have gone with this monkey tree. I'm fathomable. But in a nutshell, the genre of podcast is about Taoist health, age and healing, one of medicine. And Leon was about doing that through food. Dada. Dada. Thanks, thanks to allow me to do that. I'm going back in me to do it. I appreciate it. Pleasure. Hey, Jay, is it what high five? I can't remember. Go, go. Cheers, Bob. No, too far. No, too far. Too far.