He Ran America's Biggest Pill Mill, Made $40 Million

When the Feds raided, we had 27,000 active files, 27,000 people who came every single month. All we did was, "Roxy 30 milligram, Roxy 15." We did some per cassette, we'd make up fake files, and put fake scripts in the files for the records, and I just load up a hundred thousand pills in the back of my car. We were paying two dollars for a Roxy 30 that people would pay for, so we double our profit. So you would see 500 people a day? Yes. They're supposed to be taking 15 minutes. My doctors were doing 45 seconds. You didn't need an MRI, you didn't need an X-ray, you didn't even have to be hurt. The FBI was standing at my door. My bank accounts were empty. When they came and shut everything down, they said, "Okay, these guys made 40 million dollars. I was charged with racketeering, kidnapping, and extortion." Derek Nolan got in on the ground floor of the American opioid boom, and for five years, he ran one of the largest pain pill operations in the country out of his clinics in South Florida. At his height, Derek's clinics were making $300,000 a day. All told, the DEA estimates Derek and his crew netted over $40 million and sold about 100 million opioid pills before they were finally shut down. As opioid addiction spread like wildfire throughout every small town and suburb in America, it was Derek's pills that led the way. This is one of the most epic crime stories you're going to hear on this podcast or anywhere else. And for a bonus chat with Derek, head over to patreon.com/theconnectshow. All right, buckle up you guys. It's the face of American pain, Derek Nolan, right here on the connect with Johnny Mitchell. So you guys, you and your crew from Central Florida, the story reminds me of how black guys in the ghetto in the 1980s crack just fell in their lap and overnight they were millionaires. Just because they were in the right place at the right time, that was dirty white boys with oxys in Florida. And you were on the ground floor of this thing that changed the country. Yeah, literally. It's funny that you said that too because our final building, the gigantic 25,000 square foot building with the seven doctors working full time amongst ourselves. We called that the corridor building from New Jack City because we took the entire block over. We chain link fence it in so you couldn't see we had security in the parking lot, stopping everybody from coming in, checking everything, fucking security system that you wouldn't believe to get in cameras everywhere, straight out of Wesley Snipes, Chris Rock, New Jack City. It's pretty funny that you brought that up. That's wild. And at your height, that building won't, how much will you guys move in and bring it in every week, every day? Well, okay. So say at that point, we never saw more than 500 people in a day, right? So if you're a new patient, it's $200. If you're a follow-up patient, it was $150. Now at that time, one Roxy 30 milligram was, I would say $4. So you would get a script of an average, say just an average of $200. So you were paying $800. And we always just added $2 to what we were paying. So we were paying $2 for a Roxy 30. And the people would pay $4. So we double our profit. We didn't make money on, you know, you made money on, say you saw 500 people at $200. That's what? $10,000. $10,000? Yeah. Yeah. 500 people at $200. No, that's $100,000, right? $200. $200, 500 people is, yeah, it's $100,000. That's wild. But most of it was $150. Right. Okay. So we'll call it. So there's a 100 right there. We'll knock it down to $75. And about 75% of those people filled their scripts there. So the average person, it was another $1000 out to door with your scripts. So that is another $750 to that. So we'd probably break in 300 grand. We'd have that much coming in. But this is daily. This is daily. 300,000 was like the revenue at all. So and this, it's kind of like the same thing that the feds, they know it, but they won't articulate it or admit to it. There was a million expenses as well. The building, it was $2 million to release that building cost $2 million. Right. So in the end, they added up all the money that we made because Chris was crazy with the taxes. He paid the taxes years ahead of time. He was writing checks for $2 million because he didn't want them to have an easy way to get us. Right. So they didn't think they, I know they know it, but they didn't calculate that in. So when they came and shut everything down, they said, okay, these guys made $40 million. We got 25 of it. You motherfuckers still owe us $15 million. Chris still owes them like 10 million. To this day. To this day. They come after me. They, my entire 10 years in prison through the half, through the halfway house and through probation. Every time I met with a counselor, case manager, whoever it may be, they asked me about that money. When I got out, I was in the halfway house. I had to set up a bank account. You got to set up a bank account and do all these things before they let you go on home confinement. Those people hounded the bank that I set up out of account with so bad that the bank dropped me. Just a personal checking account with five grand in it. They literally dropped me. Before I went into prison, I had credit cards. You know what I mean? I had capital one credit cards. I had credit one, a city bank credit cards, 10, $15, $20,000 credit cards. Right. That was very responsible. I actually, in hindsight, it was the wrong move. I should have kept those accounts open and gave them to my sister and said, because when I got out of prison, I was starting over. I didn't even have a credit score for about eight months after I got out of prison. But anyway, I was very responsible about it. I made sure all those credit cards were paid off. I called the company said, I've been a customer with you for this long. This is the situation. I'm going to prison for some political, whatever. I want to pay this off. I want to close it down respectfully. And then when I get out, I would like to be able to contact you and open it. I've been a great customer for all these years, so on and so forth. They were great. They were awesome with it. When I got out, I got out of the halfway house, contacted them. They gave me my credit cards back. Right. As soon as I went on probation, federal probation, they hounded, you have to give them all your credit card information, because it was during COVID, so there was no more going to the office and visiting them. The only time you'd have to go in is when you needed to take a drug test. But it was all online, and you had to give them all your account information. They hounded my credit card companies and bank accounts, the banks were just closing, and they sent me a letter. We were contacted by the Justice Department, and we can't be seen doing business. I'm like, are you kidding me? It's called debanking. They ruined me. But the one time it was a Citibank credit card, it was a Capital One credit card, a Home Depot credit card, and a bank account at Citibank a week before Christmas. So in that's because they think that you guys got away with 15 million, because they could only recover 25. They don't say anything about the expenses that we had. We all freaking Mercedes and Range Rovers and going on trips, I lose a hundred grand at the freaking Hard Rock playing Blackjack. They got it. They got all of it. You know what traffickers at that level of huge expenses? Absolutely. Like I said, when we got the lease for the big building, we had to pay them $2 million. It was a two-year lease, $2 million, we had to pay. Is that because they knew what you guys were doing, and so they jacked the price up? I don't really. Probably. I don't really remember exactly what the reasoning was. I think it was because we didn't want them to be able to kick us out, like all the former leacers did to us. We'd lease a place, build it out, set it up, start working, and the patients would just destroy the neighborhood. I like to say they hold the neighborhood hostage until the people we lease the property from would come back. Listen, man, you got to get, we're going to give you 30 days, or we're going to do that. So I think that we probably did that, if I remember correctly, we probably, I think that's why we did it so that they could not. You know what I mean after we paid them all that money and moved, because it's a big expense to do all that. Yes. So I mean, like the most we've seen over 600, but on average, like the last call of five, six months of the three-year period that this went on, we were in 500s every day, five days a week. We could stay open seven days a week, 24 hours a day. No problem. And the biggest money is we made off of the filling of the scripts on the scripts. So we would buy Xanax for, we'd buy Xanax for 40 cents and sell 'em for $1.40, right? Everybody gets 60 Xanax. What pain causes anxiety, bro, right? Yeah, that's wild. Moabick Xanax, volume, you need break. So you get your, I would say it was always, it was either 180, 210, or 240 of the main Roxy 30 milligrams, right? That's your main pill, then you need breakthrough pain. So you would get your Harkisets or your Roxy 15's. So you get 120 of those, right? And it's the same, same markup. And you've got doctors working at this clinic? Yes, we, at the big clinic at the very end, are, what do you call it, building the New Jack City Building? Yeah, the corridor we'll call it. Yeah, the corridor building. So we have a corridor. Yeah, we got a lot of black fans, they're gonna be trashing you the corridor. Yeah, Moabick, so we had six full-time, right? And we had, at one point, spread out between the clinics, they're 30, 40 doctors, right? And we had part-time guys, right? So one day through Friday, you got the six main guys, right? Guys and gals. And then at three o'clock in the afternoon, two other plastic surgeons came in and moodlighted for two hours, left with two grand, right? On Tuesday, on Wednesday, two other ones came in, right? The thing with that was they would always start out as a moonlighting thing, right? And then they would get mad at you. I'd be like, hey, I gotta give this other guy a chance, right? And they would get me, well, I want to work full-time now. I'd be like, well, why didn't you say so? I'll set up an office for you. I don't, we're not set up for you right now. And the last, the very last doctor, he ended up killing himself over this. It was Dr. Wolfe. He said, yes, I'll work full-time, five days a week. I'll work eight to five, 30 in the afternoon, whatever it was. I want, I don't want to do it by patient. I want 40,000 a week cash. And we made all the doctors. They set themselves up a corporation, right? So it was Dr. So-and-So, LLC. So we could pay them cash, whatever, all their taxes, all that, that's on you. You do what you ever you want. We had no computers, we kept no records, everything was paper. You should have seen how many, we at, at that time when they, when the feds rated, we had 27,000 active files, 27,000 people who came every single month. And we had another thing that we did was when we left an office, so we, say we got kicked out, we got run out by the police or whatever, we would keep the lease. And that building would just sit there empty, so nobody could come in and just replace us. And people are coming down there from BFE and Kentucky and Ohio and West Virginia, although I had people coming from Oregon. So they're not going to know, and they're fucked up, right? They're whacked out of their heads. So they're not going to notice. So somebody could just slide right in there, open up the same thing we did, and these people would never notice that the name changed, that it was a different doctor. And they wouldn't care anyway. They'd be like, holy shit, that wasn't my doctor. I'm going to go, now I got two places to go, right? So to hold off the competition, you just keep the leases even after you move every single one. That's brilliant. From the time we started for three years and we moved one, four, four, two, three, four, five times. So we got, when they shut us down, we had four places. And what we would always do is leave somebody behind, right? So we're kind of weird, I was funny. We always befriended the homeless population, the lower people in the neighborhood, I guess you would say. Yeah. A lot of times ended up being pretty nice, funny guys, you know what I mean? So we would move and we'd be like, all right, dude, you have a career now. You're going to stay here. We'd buy a old car and put it in front of there. They could live in it, do whatever they wanted and we'd give them a bunch of flyers every day. They'd get a delivery of flyers. So people who had been there in the past, whether it was two years ago, people were still driving there two years ago. They come out of their stupor, they come out of jail or whatever it may be from Kentucky and they were like, yeah, two years ago before I went to jail, I found this awesome place. They would drive down there and I'd have my man solve them and outside in his cowboy hat. They'd drive pants and just hand him a flyer and they'd find their way to worry where. So I had somebody at each individual office and I would use those old offices for storage. So when I kicked people out, which was, call it 25 people a day, I would probably permanently remove. They would no longer allow it to be a, and if you really pissed me off, I'd make sure you didn't get to see a pain management doctor anywhere in Florida. So I would permanently remove you and I'd keep their files. And those old offices had just stacks of files, 100,000 files in boxes of people that were kicked out. And with that many people, I'm kicking you out on February 28th, get rid of your file on March 28th. You think I fucking remember who you were? Why would you kick people out? We're being obvious, right? People would come in and like I didn't, they're fucked up, they're drug addicts, right? They don't care about me. All they care about, they don't care what an awesome thing that I've done from that shitty thing, a totally morally bankrupt terrible thing that I did, right? But they don't care about that, it's awesome for them. Right. No, that junkies, they throw me under the bus, throw me under the bus for anything. And in the beginning, it was like funny, you know what I mean? They're high jinks. They're shitting in the people's yards and the, the first place we had, we had the Christian radio station. We shared a driveway, right? So I said it before, but all the people they come from Kentucky or West Virginia or wherever, so they would drive down, and they didn't time their drive, right? So they would get there at two o'clock in the morning, what are they going to do? They just pull in the parking lot and go to sleep. Next door, who we share a parking lot with is a Christian radio station. So there's a freaking party going on back there. There is the Appalachian Mountain, get down, going on. People having sex, all kinds of shit, and these Christian people are showing up to do a fundraiser in the morning and these guys are back there raising out. So McDonald's across the street, they ruined, like they, what they would do is, they would shoot the pills, right? They need some place to shoot the pills, okay? I only had one little bathroom in the place. So they would come in, get their pills, go to McDonald's, go into bathroom, McDonald's, shoot their pills, pull the needle out, blood would squirt on the wall. They'd pass out on a floor, cops, there was a restaurant, there's McDonald's, CC's fish camp, assurance agencies, podiatrist office, Christian radio station, they really did a bunch of bad shit. Like opening up the busiest crack spot, I mean, it's going to bring chaos to the neighborhood. So you, you could see 27,000 people in a month, so that's over 400,000 people a year. And you were running like this for about three years. That was your height. Yeah. I'll run it like, but. But you've been in the business at that point for. When we started, first day 11 people, second day. Next week, 11, 12, 13 people, week two, just double that 24, week three, 40, right? Week four, round off about 50. The next month, so week five, six, seven and eight, a couple of stragglers plus all the people that came last month. So 50 plus call it another 10 a day. So we're at 60. About three, 120 a day, month four, month 50, month five, 200, and then it just gained from there. Yeah. And we could have saw more, but we had to keep like putting rules on it because our places were the first place was 1500 square feet. The second place was 6,000. The next place was 7,000. next. place was 8,000, you can't fit only 240 people can fit at a time and you got five doctors and they're supposed to be taking 15 minutes, 10 to 15 minutes. My doctor was doing 45 seconds. Just, oh, your knee hurts, here you go. Bend over real quick, dude, I bought, you know how many examination tables I bought and put together that when it all got closed down and that was the only thing that the feds left in the buildings, they didn't even have a wrinkle on them. There's not even time to sit down, dude, yeah. Pretty much the only reoccurring expense was the air freshener puffers that would be up, they'd line all the walls and just constantly, you could set them to, they'd spray every 30 seconds because it smelled so atrocious in there, right? I would have to cut, about every three months I had a carpeting company, come in on the weekend and on Friday night we would get all the stuff moved, all the furniture, everything moved and they'd come in on Friday night, replace all the carpets. Now, you're talking in some places, you know, 8,000 square feet of carpet over the weekend and everything back, all the pictures back on the wall, everything by Monday morning. That was how much foot traffic you had and just people passing out every day the ambulance was there. At minimum one time, so the major culprit of the ambulance is the Xanax. Now if you have the Xanax and you don't have any, for some reason you go into a seizure and it was a daily, daily occurrence. What was the most selling pill? Well, that would be the Roxy 30 milligram, right? That's just a big one, you know what I mean? We didn't do any OCs, you know, we didn't do any of that kind of stuff. All we did was Roxy, all generic, Roxy 30 milligram, Roxy 15. We did some per cassette, very little like Laura tab, you know, hydrocodone stuff, very little bit of that Xanax value. When we would get a new company, a new drug wholesaler, they would send us a list of the drugs that you could buy. You know that you can buy cocaine, medical use cocaine, they use it for anal surgery or something. Still? I don't know, it's down there. And back then, they sold, this is anal surgery, I bet it's big out in California. Yeah. Right? What was the marinal, is that the weed pill that from 20 years ago? I don't know. So you could get that, we got that for the girls at the office, we would order that shit and fucking hand it out, marinal pills, we could get, we were all, everybody was on steroids in the mornings. When everybody was working out and doing stuff, I had a line out, my office door with all the employees, everybody come in, I'd be sitting in my desk with everybody shit, needles out, come in, drop their drawers, boom, boom, boom. You're giving everybody a shot. All right Sam, how you doing buddy, all right, how you doing man, all right, what are you taking today? A little windshield? A little, we're going to test a little deca, a little, what did we use, I can't even remember any more, all this. Rambinal? Yeah, we can get whatever we want, whatever we want, I never, so Chris and Jeff started the steroid company, probably four or five years before that, so, and we used to go to, they're like legit ones, you know what I mean, we were all of us, we'd go together and go get it, you go get your blood test, send it in, we're 23 years old, and we got test osser of 500, right, and they'd be like, oh, you need to be at set, you're 23, you need to be at 700, what do you want, you know, so once he started that, like, I, I know, I never, I would order, you're not supposed to be able to order 20 bottles of test 300, right, it would like, and we had this company called America's Pharmacy, that would mix it for us, right, I think we do whatever we want it, right, so we'd be making shit, we'd be mixing testing, you know what I mean, just whatever. Everybody was morally culpable, that's my thing, it's like, I get that you guys were the, the ones supplying the streets and most of America, but it's also the companies making you the precursors and, of course, you can go all the way back to Purdue, Pharma, right, but it's funny you talk about people from Appalachia coming down, that's, that's ground zero for the opioid crisis is these, these tiny rural, hillbilly heroin, that's right, and all of their jobs are gone, and their hope is gone, and that's where it started, places like West Virginia, you talk Oregon, rural parts of Oregon, every, every rural and sub-urban place, it became swept up in this, and you know, you said everybody was culpable, the people who leased us the buildings were culpable, the restaurants that would give specials, right, for our patients, the transport companies, the airlines that would give special airline rates, the, everybody, the MRI companies, the CT scan companies, dude, I had a racket making half a million dollars a year, dealing with the MRI companies, they would come to me and say, I give out 100 referrals for a MRI per day, right, Medicare, if you have Medicaid, Medicaid gets charged $240 to do an MRI, so I made a deal with all these MRI companies that they would charge $240, if you went to a hospital and you didn't have a deal with me, you're paying $2,400 for an MRI, I made a deal with these companies, I said, I send you 100 a day, what are you gonna give me, and you're gonna charge them $240, they say every one of you send me will give you 40 bucks, wow, every day I'd get $4,000, quick four G's, every Friday they show up, everybody would show up with 20, 25 grand, I'd have three four of them all the time, 20, 25 grand, here you go Derek, thanks for the business. So the dope fees can go get their MRI, which makes it clear's them, hey, I have pain, now I can go back to your clinic. Yeah, and it's a, it's a board of doctors, so you can, anybody can do it, I, we did it. We rented, rented an MRI machine in a trailer, right, you go in there, take your clothes off, you hit the button, it does it, it comes out as like a PDF, you'll forward the PDF to a certain group, there's a million MRI certified examiners, they examine it, they send you back a piece of paper with a conclusion on it, it tells you everything, with a conclusion on it, I haven't got in with those guys, got in with the boards, listen dude, you need to look a little closer, I'm not gonna send you if you don't find anything, and I want $100. So you're almost vertically integrated, the only thing you didn't do is actually have the chemical factories. We had that too. We had a pharmacy in Orlando that we would buy the raw materials and press the pills ourselves, so you, and where did you do that, you had a little factory? No, we had it, you can, it's a compounding pharmacy, it's a pharmacy. How many about $5,000 in equipment to do this? You just gotta find somebody that, a pharmacist that wants to give me $100, and I'll let you do it. How many people do you have working for you at your height? About 50, 60, 70, I don't know, a lot. We had, we just had girls there that we would just pay them $500 a week to hang out with us. And this is just, this is like the great financial crisis, this is where everybody's desperate for money. Everybody's broke. I mean, for a doctor, for a surgeon, this is the easiest money they've ever made. Yeah. Most of our doctors were plastic surgeons that their business was going down ER doctors. The main doctor, Dr. Cadet, she was the ER doctor, making 120 grand a year. She was also married to somebody that was in the United Nations, so like, this was, she took the job for the love of the game. She wanted to help people. The entire time she worked, she was really, she really thought she was helping people, right? And I told, I was like, are you guys crazy? You wouldn't believe the extreme steps that I took to protect her from what was seen, right? I was like a personal bodyguard. I was handling her personal business. She could come in whenever she wants. She could do it. I keep writing, there was other people that were involved that I didn't have anything to do. They were doing scams and stuff like that and they were friends with Chris and they would open up a rogue steroid clinic and we'll try to get Dr. Cadet and she was so nice. You would talk to her and she'd be like, of course, I'll help you with that. I had a step in about 20 times, you'd be like, dude, are you great? Dr. Cadet, you're not working for that. I'll give you some more money. 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I know you've told the story on Matt Cox's before, but like tell us how you fell into this, how'd you grow up and how did you. - So. - Come to have this business. - So when I was, my mother and father went to high school together, my mother was one year older. My father was a wrestler, collegiate wrestler, sectional champion, regional champion, something to do like some kind of alternate on the United States, US Olympic 76 team. My mother was very smart. She went to the University of Albany. - They're from upstate New York, yep. My mother had a rough upbringing, she has five or six siblings and her father killed her mother. And there's a lot of stories about what happened to her father, whether somebody else killed them or he killed himself, it was all the same night kind of thing. And her and my father fell in love, I mean, I still talk to people that were friends with them to this day up there and they all they talked about is how much, how in love they were. You know what I mean, that was like crazy. So my father's first semester, it's a SUNY school. I forget what SUNY school he went to to wrestle. My mom came up pregnant, she was 18, she was 19. They both dropped out of school. My father started an insulation business on a house, put the little, got that dog, got me on the way, had a nice, and my mother had younger brothers and sisters. So he took them into, one of them ended up dying in a motorcycle accident when he was 14 that my father bought him a dirt bike, he dies. I'm born, everything's good for a while. You know, it's just a young story, like two young kind of thing. You know, after a couple of years, my mom, like I said, she was at the University of Albany and left to have me. She was 19, my dad was 19 when I was born. You know, she wanted, she was a housewife, she wanted to do something. So she took a job as a bar maid, is what they used to call it, called bum and kells. In lock shell Drake, New York, maybe 20 minutes from our house, and we lived in Parksville, New York. So that didn't go well and, you know, tensions, the marriage kind of, they would separate and get back together and separate and get back together. And I guess it was kind of known that my mother was seeing the owner of bum and kells. Then was Kelly, Bob Kelly was his name. So that was, you know, a constant thing, whatever she can't, she come back to get back together then she'd be back with him and you're not gonna work at the bar anymore, you're gonna, you can work at the, you know what I mean, that kind of thing was, it was about two years of that. And then they got back together one last time. It was, I think it was a Sunday night or something. My mom was working. Me and my father had went fishing. We were a big fisherman upstate in New York. And I mean, as big as you could be when you're five years old, I guess. So we came back from fishing and put me to bed, whatever we fell asleep. At some point my father woke up in a middle of the night and she wasn't there. So he picked me up and I mean, I don't know, the story that I got when me and him finally talked all about this was that he was worried, right? But I don't know. I put myself in that situation. I don't think I'd be worried. You know what I mean, I know what I was doing. I don't know. I don't know. He was angry, right? So that's just not the story that he told me when we finally had the talk. But we went, there's two ways to get to it. It's like a circle, you know what I mean, go this way. We went this way, went to the bar, the bar was closed, nobody was there. He brought you with him. Yes, okay. So I was sleeping. I don't, and most of my memory of this, I see it in my head from the outside. I see me in this, you know what I mean? So on the way back to the house, she had a Mustang, a blue Mustang and saw the Mustang in a driveway. He parked down the road, picked me up. We walked down to the house, looked in the window and my mother and this guy were naked on the couch through the window of the house, you know, seeing the play in there. We had a dog, doogan, a little poodle that was there with my mother. So we walked around the side of the house, screened door, walks in, carrying me, holds me down. The guy says, no, my mother says, oh shit. And my father says, oh shit is right. The guy jumps up and puts pants on or shirt or something and comes at my dad and didn't go well for him. He got dropped out and a father turned his attention to my mother who she turned and went the same way that we had come in past us and grabbed a knife from the kitchen and was doing this kind of thing. And she had a white T-shirt on and I don't know what, I don't remember exactly what was said. I don't know if it's what I've been told or whatever but I know my father had, we were fishing. He had a chamois shirt on, had a buck knife and his pocket, he pulled that knife out. They're facing each other, I'm over here. The guy jumps up, that was laying on the ground. He jumps up and lunges at my dad and he turns around and knife goes in the guy and runs out the house. My father chases him down, my mother chases him. I had my dog, it's fucked up. I don't know. Like I said, this is all, I see it, you know what I mean? So they were screaming all kinds of stuff. I don't know how long it took and then my mother and father came back in the house wrestling. At some point he said, she said, don't do it, kill me. He said, don't worry, bitch, you're next. Ended up in the floor in the kitchen, he stabbed her 60 times. Later the guy came out, the guy was stabbed 60 times with his throat was slashed. My dad ran into a different part of the house. Later I found out he was looking for a gun, he was gonna kill himself and was like, holy shit, Derek's in the fucking living room. Came and grabbed me, ran out the house. One thing I do remember is the light from the house is we were running down the road and I was looking over a shoulder. I remember the light from the house in the road. and the dog running and yapping. And then I don't remember anything. I don't remember the car ride. I don't remember none of that. Next I remember is being at my grandmother's house and this is like three in a morning and I was covered in blood from transfer or whatever. And my uncle Billy, my dad's brother was like, they were like trying to hold me down and get my clothes off me. And I was like, you know, I have two four-year-old songs right now. So, you know, I can see it now. Trying to wrangle them, you know what I mean? And I remember that part. I don't remember getting the bath. The next thing I have a memory of is being in the kitchen of my grandmother's house and like the whole family there. My dad, all those brothers and sisters, everybody's in this house. And I was like crawling around between the tables. Then my memory goes again to being in somebody's old Bronco getting driven to, I don't know where, I didn't know where, but I was, they had me in the back of this Bronco. And then the next day I woke up in my sister's room as a little baby. And then I don't really have any, like, I just stayed with my aunt and uncle and they became mom and dad. My dad was in jail. My cousins, Todd and Kim became my brother and sister. Right? Just good people, you know what I mean? Like I didn't, I didn't really miss a step, you know? So, sorry, hold on. I don't really remember much of it, but there was a trial. It took, my dad was in jail four, eight months. And till the first trial, like I said, I don't, I went to start going to kindergarten, first grade, all that kind of shit. And the first trial was a hung jury, right? So, like one person, or someone to hold out, right? So they asked for bond and they said a crazy high bond. It's 1981, right? They said a crazy high bond, 250,000. Back then, you know what I mean? That's like 250 million now, right? Yes, it's possible. Well, little did they know that my grandfather, 50 years in the heating oil business, had a safe in the basement, stacked with moldy $100 bills, and paid the 250,000, I paid 25,000 in cash, right? So my dad got out, he came to live with me, my aunt and uncle. And the next trial was like two years later, right? And this one, we got into, with this trial, we went with the temporarily insane. We got into CTE, wrestler, football player, cats, cans, back then, no frontal lobes, all that interview with people about his eating habits. All these things came into play, you know? And he was found not guilty. And walked right out of the damn courtroom. That's it, no. I think he had to do like two counseling sessions, like outpatient counseling sessions. That's it, right? While he was on trial that second time, he met his second wife, right? She was at the courthouse. They went to school together. She was a freshman when he was a senior in high school. And he was like the all-American in high school, you know what I mean? And by all, everybody's account, he was the greatest guy ever, you know what I mean? Like people are still like, wow, you know? And you know, she was infatuated with him. And they fell in love and I stayed with my aunt and uncle. Basically 13 miles from where all this happened. Went to the school, you know what I mean? I was already in the school. And they moved away to first the Staten Island. And my father, I don't know how all the connections went. My, I have an uncle who's passed now. He owned a brokerage house in Manhattan, right? He connected my father with some people, mostly Italians, concreters, okay? So we know what that's about in the 80s. Baramix, Vigorola, Javits Center, Westies, where Irish, you know, that kind of thing, right? So it wasn't long before my father had a, he was the president of the Staten Island Contractors Association. We were going to parties on the weekends at high-ranking Mafioso's Farms in New Jersey. And he built like a crazy business, million dollars a year and concrete curbs and sidewalks and driveways and all that kind of stuff. He got me that him and that woman who was awesome and her own right, love their death got married in 1988. They had three more sons, my three brothers. Everything seemed to be going great, but I mean, I didn't live with him all the time. So I lived with him in the summer times. So for three months in the summer, I lived with him June, July, August. You go down to Staten Island. Well, by now, yes, I went to either Staten Island, but at the end, they were in New Jersey. And freehold, New Jersey, middle of town, big, huge house with a pool of pool, cabana, slide, huge parties. In today's markets, it's a $10 million home and property, unlike two acres. So my whole life, which was a shitty thing for me as a kid. So I lived up there and I had this great life. I played football, went to the prom, banged all the chicks. I was a pole-vulter. I did it. I had this great life and all the friends in the world, everything was awesome. But also I always loved my father, right? But I had a Easter Christmas, the summers. I always had to leave everything behind and then go live a whole new life, you know what I mean? So that was shitty for me, but I also had my three little brothers, right? Love that. So I was always being torn between two worlds, you know? And had you kind of forgotten about your mom? I don't know, man, because you're so young, it's like, I didn't, I don't want to say that I did. I didn't forget about her, but what do you do? You don't really understand what's going on. This is your mom and your dad. Now your mom's gone. That's still your dad, right? And they're, I mean, I'm pretty fucked up, right? So I was really, I'm like pretty fucked up mentally guy, right? So I just hold it together pretty good. So it's like, what do you do? So it's kind of like not, like I never really had any contact with my mother side of the family ever again, you know? And it was, I don't know, I don't even know how I feel about it. It was just, and your family doesn't seem like they're big on therapy. No. But listen, great people, they were so good to me, you know what I mean? Like, just love, everybody who's great, dude, me going to prison and being this asshole that I am is like such a shock. Like, people did not believe it until they closed the bars, you know, it closed the doors behind me kind of thing. So anyway, so yeah, they got to, they got together, they had the kids, they got married, everything seemed great, but I guess behind, like when I wasn't there, I guess he was like verbally abusive to her, call their all kinds of names and stuff like that. I don't know, I heard things about maybe some infidelity. And she was also running for like politics, like, at the city level, you know what I mean? City of freehold, like, stuff like that, and my father's past came up. So at one point, when Clinton was president, right, he came to there to do a speech, right? And he was doing it at the town hall, which is right next to my father's house. They, the secret service contacted my father and his wife and the family and wanted that to be their house, because this is a big, beautiful house to be the staging point, right? So they would come and stay there and then go give their speech and then come back there and then travel, right? And like, yeah, yeah, that's great. And then they fucking ran a background check and they were like, what the fuck? Wait a minute. Right. That happened, right? That happened like somewhere of 98, I want to say, or somewhere of 97, something like that. So yeah, I guess there was a bunch of turmoil that I didn't even know about, you know what I mean? So, he fired that call. he called me one time, I was living in Florida, I was a plumber. Everything was pretty good, you know? He called me and was like, "I," your step mom wants a divorce, I'm freaking out. And I'm 19, bro. Like, I'm like, "Oh, fuck it." God, I had no concept of what it all meant, what it means to a man with a family, to lose his whole life, you know what I mean? To me, it was like, "Who gets it?" It was like me having a girlfriend. So what, go buy a cabin and fuck her, but you know what I mean, that kind of thing. And he's like, "I'm gonna come down and I'm gonna do something for you," he said. And I said, "Okay." And he came down and spent a couple days with me and he was just a straw, he was a shell of himself. He was probably, my dad was a huge man. He was short, he was like five, nine, five, ten, but do 30, he's a spinning image of me, just fucking diesel cans, like fucking anvils, you know? And he was like 170 pound, yeah, like this little mustache, it was gray, you know, smoking cigarettes. And he's only 39 or something, he's just turned 40. Just turned 40. He just had my stepmother literally a week before she dropped all of this on 'em, had a huge luau party with 200 guests for his 40th birthday, right? People from everywhere all over came in for this party, you know what I mean? And then it was like, and again, I don't know what happened when I wasn't there. So I don't know, you know, I just. And I was 19, I didn't understand the feelings that go into having children with a woman. That kind of thing. So like I said, to me, it was like, "Fuck it, let's go fishing," right? And I didn't catch on to how he was, how he was. So he, we went fishing, he took me and my friend out to a hops brewery for steak and beers. And he was like, I'm sending you a check. I got some kind of life insurance policy and I knew that fucking aged out or something. I'm sending you a check for like three grand, you can go buy a new car. I was driving like an old 1990 Nissan Center, you know what I mean? I was like, okay. So he left, I went to work. And my brother and sister, you know, really my cousins, they both lived in West Palm Beach too. So I'm at work on Monday, literally Monday. He just left last night, one o'clock in the afternoon and my brother shows up. And I'm like, what's going on? He's like, I got to talk to you. I'm like, what's up? He said, if dad did it again, he just killed your stepmother and shot himself. So he's dead this time now too. And my first thought was like, I remember my first thought being like, I'm almost like glad that he killed himself. So my little brothers don't have to go through all the shit that I had to go through. I was like, so I left work. I explained everything to my boss. It was cool. I was like, I don't know how long we'll be gone. Just take a leave of absence. You know, there's a lot to worry. You know, there was a lot of money involved. This isn't like a couple of teenagers that's happening too. He's got a whole estate that you can deal with. Dude, huge business. He's a president of the Contractors Association. So my brother drives me back to my house. I get home. I had an answer machine, right? There's like 40 messages on an answer machine. Freaking Oprah Winfrey show was on there. Wanted to talk to me. All these newspapers, just a ton of-- I was like, oh, dude, I freaked out, right? I didn't know what to fuck to do. So my grandparents, my dad, small and dad, also lived in Deerfield about 30 minutes for me. So I spent the whole night on a phone talking to everybody. And we had a huge family, right? And the first time that had happened with my mother, it didn't kill the family. The second time it did, it killed the family, you know? So I met up with my grandparents. We flew up there. My grandparents, me and my girlfriend, we flew up. Like, I didn't even have a suit, dude. I was 19 years old, the plumber, you know what I mean? So I flew up there, we get-- we find a new work. And I don't remember how it happened. But I end up-- I don't want to say I got arrested, but I was detained by the police. I want to say it was like, has Berry Park. Some police, they detained me, and they brought me in-- And I was cuffed, because he was with me, like 18 hours before this, and he knew what he was going to do. Yeah, and there was a note, and there was money missing. And somebody told the police, and I was a person of interest or whatever. They had me in a room for like six hours, and I got 19, dude. Sweat, and I was wearing like this big leather jacket. Sweat, and I had a big light. Like, one of these on me, six hours, like a hand call. Like, I thought I did it by the time they were done with me, you know what I mean? But then eventually, they were like, all right, I didn't know anything, you know? And I had to go-- my brothers weren't school. The only thing they have is my stepmother, who just died, her mom, who was like-- I don't know, she's like 60. And she was in the house, and there's a story that he tried to get her first. So there's so many stories that I don't even know what's true. By the time I got up there, there were so many lawyers and so many sides chosen, and this part of the police were on this side, and you know, I tried to go to the house, and like, they wouldn't let me go to the house. They were going to arrest me for going to the house. And the hardest thing I ever had to do was go tell my little brothers what happened. They were at the mayor of the town, Tows, right? They got picked up from school. They were Catholic school. They're 7, 6, and 5. They went to school, right? They get drug out of school by a SWAT team, you know what I mean? And they've been staying at the mayor. It took me like, I don't know, 18, 24 hours to get there. And like, there are little kids, dude, just-- Thank you for sharing that. I guess I bring it up because what you went on to do and become, you know, we're all products of our past, right? Yeah. And I just think it's necessary because not excusing what you went on to do later, but I mean, your whole life was destroyed, you know. Twice. Twice. Yeah. I'm sorry for making you tell that. Yes, sorry. Cut out the part where I'm crying, will you? You want me to have to cut out 10 minutes. [LAUGHTER] Oh, man, that sucks. So-- and where did your brothers end up going to live? Well, they ended up against-- again, there was a lot of money involved and people sued homeowners insurance for ensuring my father. He was already-- he was insane, right? How do you give an insane person insurance? So there was a lot of money. They were set in the town. So my grandmother-- the boys, my brother, his grandmother, took him. I got-- like, I had to go there. It was a couple of years long working it all out. Who had custody and all that kind of shit, you know what I mean? And they stayed in New Jersey in that house for a couple of years. Like I went there and like boarded off. He shot her in bedroom and then ended up killing her in the closet. And he killed himself out at the pool cabana. So I, like, tore all the carpets off, caught the floorboards out, mucking clothes, the closets off, you know what I mean? They're all that kind of shit. They stayed there for a couple of years, eventually, like, money ran out like it does. They ended up selling it and moved to South Carolina. And that's where they're-- I mean, they're still there. The grandmother's still alive. And one of my brother still lives there with his wife, two kids. There, my other-- I got one brother in-- he's a coach at a university at Soccer Coach. University, Midwest, somewhere. And another brother who's-- he was like daycare kind of things. Everybody's married, kids, all that kind of shit. You said to destroy the family. How so does everybody-- everybody just kind of went their separate ways. And like, man, yeah. Is that how things stayed to this day? We're-- Has there been some reconciliation? - Things started to get, we see all of us, all the cousins and everybody have probably been together three times since 1998, since I haven't wedding or a funeral or something like that. - And everybody else is dead too now. So all my grandparents died. My grandma died when I was in prison. My aunt and uncle who took me and they both died when I was in prison, my aunt's uncles died when I was in prison, my brother died as soon as I got out of prison. Yeah, so everybody kind of just, yeah, we always would have twice a year, everybody, 30 of us, Christmases and you know what I mean? It was, we were real close, man, you know, like good people in that town and upstate New York for generations, you know what I mean? And it's everybody's, you know. - Everywhere, you know? So my oldest younger brother got married about two years ago, and that was the last time that everybody was together. - And after this happened, now you're kind of on your own. - Yeah. - I mean, literally on your own. - Yes. - One of those next couple of years, after the whole estate was resolved. And you know, how's that sold? What did you, what did you do? - So I just, I was a plumber, man. You know, well, I worked for a plumber company, I was like the warehouse manager's a great job, man. Really good people. I worked there for like five or six years. You know, I made a lot of money for back then. I bought a house. I was actually in the process of buying a house when that happened. And then I got put on hold obviously. And so by 20 I had bought a house. I worked for this huge plumber company. I had a girlfriend, I had a dog, I had a well craft, eclipse boat, Mustang, a truck, my own home, you know, just, you know, but you're full on floor to boy now. - Yeah, now I was just, I was just a, it was just life, man. Like I said, I was never in any trouble or anything. All I ever done is work. Swing a hammer, turn a wrench, you know what I mean? That's all. None of this pain, like, now I've always drank. I'm a drinker, I always drink, probably a little too much, but not to the point where I ever miss the day of work or anything like that. You know what I mean, relationships, I don't know, quite a few, you know. I had one that lasts like nine years from high school until I was like 24 and then after that, probably 20 or 30, that lasted three months, four months kind of thing, you know. Yeah, and I, so after the plumbing, you know, I had money put up back then. That's when like, this is 2001, right? So back then you could buy an acre of property out in, the acreage, which is West of West Palm Beach for $5 to $15,000 and build a 1,500 square foot house on it for $60,000 and sell it for $100, right? So, you know, and back then, this is right at the end of what's his name? George Bush, I saw a lot of George Bush the other guy, the next one after George Bush Clinton said to end the Clinton, where he's giving everybody loans, right? Where they changed all that, everybody get a loan. I had, what was I, 2001, I was 24 years old, walked into Atlantic State's bank with 40,000 in cash and they gave me a credit line for $310,000 to buy about five lots. Built houses for $60,000, a little square house. One car garage, three bedrooms, two baskets, kitchen, laundry room. Within a year, built 13 the first year and sold them like that before I even started building there, so before I even started building there, so next year they up me to $3 million alone, right? Made a little bit bigger house, built a hundred houses. Next year after that, by the end, after five years, I had $60 million credit line. How many houses did you have? Five models built in 200 homes, but what ended up happening is 2006, 2007, everything crashed out. I'm holding worthless property that I'm paying interest in everything I just went. And 2001, that's how I met Chris and Jeff. I was going to say, so your future partners in the pill business, Chris. Well, I met Jeff first because I was built in the house and Jeff had a company called Shutter King. He installed hurricane shutters. It was just, I don't even want to get into it, he was ridiculous. You know what I mean, he would, he never charged me in five years of doing business with him. He never charged me one time. He would send a guy to a house. They'd drill a couple holes in a walls and throw a couple of shutters in a garage and say, there you go. They never worked. So when a hurricane hit, I'd be getting calls from all the people, but he was wicked fun, dude. He was awesome, dude. We hung out all the time. Dolphins games, strip clubs, heartied all the time. Great guy. Awesome guy. Yeah, for brothers. Yep. So what's our last name? George. It's the George Brothers. Yeah. Who are part of this saga? Yes. And yeah, they were big home builders. Yeah. Their father owned majestic homes. Right. So you said, you guys are like blue collar, but you're great entrepreneurs. Like, in your family, in your bloodline, you know, you guys have, you guys are money makers. I don't know how good I am at being an entrepreneur. I'm more of a, you tell me what it needs to get done, done, and I'll do it. Well, you're going hundreds of homes, part of being a good entrepreneur is just doing. Yeah. You know, yeah. But it all came crashing down. I didn't think too far ahead. That's the road. That's the road. I thought it was never going to end at 24. I thought I had made it. You know, and I thought I was going to be living one of them, waterhouses on Palm Beach. By the time I was 30, you know what I mean? Yeah. So that's where I met. So through Jeff, I met Chris. When I first met Jeff, Chris was in jail and, you know, I mean, going to college. He didn't really have nothing to do with that part of it, you know? And then when he got out of jail, when he got into the home building, but he did it on the west coast of Florida. So his dad set him up over there. So he did it after my debacle when everything crashed and I had to sell my house to pay off. So I didn't have to file bankruptcy and that kind of stuff. I just, I actually took a job for their dad. They got me a job with their dad. And after about a year there, they called me an officer one day and said, "Hey, will you move over to the west coast, follow Chris and help him out over there?" That's the only place that's really still doing anything. And I was like, "Fuck yeah, well, I give a shit." Went up. Now, went over there, shit lasted four months, and it closed down. And in those four months, there was a lot of wheeling and dealing and scheming and meeting doctors and I actually went to jail like a week before Thanksgiving for fucking driving on a suspended license. This story has been told a million times that it's embarrassing. You know what? You got me want to talk about it any more. But I got like six driving on a suspended in like a one year period. All stemming from a seat belt ticket that I didn't even realize. There's no DIYs, no nothing like that, just being stupid. Not doing what I was supposed to do. I ended up going to jail. Obviously, I lost my job over there working with Chris. I was in jail like Thanksgiving till the end of January. And so I got out of jail. I had no driver's license. I had 10 grand to my name. I wasn't allowed to leave Palm Beach County, but I lived in Sarasota County on the West Coast. I had to like move in with my buddy in like a little two bedroom apartment. I couldn't get a job because I had no driver's license. The only thing that I knew how to do was build houses, do plumbing, and you can't do that without driving. When I got fucking strapped my toolbox and my bicycle, you know what I mean, that kind of thing. They suspended my license for five years, right? And me, Chris and Jeff, we were like this, you know what I mean? So it was, maybe it was like two weeks, I was just struggling and trying to figure out what I was going to do. I was fucked. The last time I got arrested for driving on a suspended, it became a felony. And they seized my car and wouldn't give it back. It was paid off, basically, I think it was $3,000 or $4,000 on it. Chief Grand Cherokee, the brand new body style, like I had like 30,000 miles. I was like, took it, I had nothing. I couldn't get insurance, I couldn't get registered, I couldn't even, without, in Florida, you came go to a car dealership and buy a car without having a driver's license, right? So, I was like, fuck dude, what am I gonna do? Like I started like bouncing at fucking bike or bars. I was like, okay, well, maybe I'll fucking get a job at a strip club as a bouncer. They probably make good money, you know what I mean? But, they never panned out. And, you know, the steroid business was going. I had to go on into steroids, right? Yeah, yeah, so he was buying them online and. Well, they had basically, it was a telemedicine business. So, you would go online, you fill out a form. The salesman in office, they would send you a form back telling you wherever you were in the United States, probably in the world, there's a lab corps. So, they would give you eight set up appointment for it and say, be at this lab corps at this time. They draw your blood, send the results to Chris and Jeff's office. And the doctor would be like, yeah, he's only got 500. Give him whatever he wants, kind of thing. And, you know, you could buy, they had the compounding pharmacy, America's pharmacy, that would sell us anything. So, I mean, it was a good business, you know what I mean? It was a couple hundred thousand dollar a year business. Jeff just took it, he just skipped the whole doctor part and just started walking, ordering it. And it would come right to your house. So, on Monday, you could start this process, take your test, you could be an organ, take your blood test. Wednesday, we got the blood test back. It's just a simple testosterone level, right? Cluster, all testosterone, that kind of stuff. On Friday, FedEx will show up your house with a box of steroids, right? From the fucking pharmacy, real deal and a box of rigs, dude. Every kind of needle, you want a human growth hormone, you got insulin needles, you got HCG, you got everything you need. Legit, dude. - So, it was a drop ship business. - Yeah. - Like, they didn't even have to touch the stuff. - Nope. Not at all, sending the script to the pharmacy, the pharmacy, mail it right to you with everything. Every fucking day. - So, was that your Uncle Hall swabs? - Wow. - Everything. - Can you do that now? - Yeah. - Fuck you. - Do it right now. - That's a good business. Maybe that's what I'll do after this podcast stuff dries out. - Yeah. - So, was that a light bulb moment for you? - Or? - I'd never thought anything of it. Like, my mind has never went beyond fucking building houses for somebody. Like, that's just something that they did. I was like, I remember when they first started Starbucks, I was like, we had been going to the other clinics, you know? And when they started, I had to call the other clinic to get my medical records, to send them to Jeff. And they were like, oh, you're gonna leave what you're gonna go. I'm like, of course, I'm gonna go with Jeff, you know what I mean? So, nothing surprised me with those guys. Dude, I was 24. They were, they were a few years younger than me. We're fucking going out and fucking Lamborghini's. We're going to Miami and fucking Lamborghini's in Bentley's. Fucking 20 years old and the end of 22 years old. We're fucking monster trucks, F650 super trucks. Just fucking cruising around Miami. No fucking insurance registration, anything on it. I wrecked that super truck, got in a hit and run in downtown Fort Lauderdale and ran. We had the whole fucking police force in a helicopter chasing us one night. Got away with it 'cause there was no tag on it. Got away with it. They were like, it was crazy. We had a crazy, like, you know, I had heard stories about them, you know, being thieves and stuff like that, you know, when they were younger and all, but I never saw any of that. They were nothing but awesome to me, dude. They didn't think twice about spending whatever, you know what I mean? Take me anywhere. Jeff took me a damn playboy mansion. Went to a playboy mansion in 2008, Halloween party. - In LA? - In LA. How the fuck did he get in there? He was, I don't wanna mess anything up with any past relationships or whatever, but he knew a bunny a model, whatever, somehow. And it was like, hey, want your guys? You and your guys come out to the Halloween party and where I was like, what? - It's like my fish on water. - Oh, yeah, dude. A bunch of good old boys. - Let's roll, dude. We fucking dressed up with gangsters that little Tommy guns, all that shit. Went out there and raged, dude, it was awesome. It was awesome. Like so, and like, like all these people, they don't like Chris and Jeff. They never did. Everybody always had something bad to say about them. I don't have anything bad to say. They were always treating me like family, you know what I mean? It's great. We're definitely the criminals though. Like they were, I've had George on the podcast. These guys are, yeah. So then there's the other misconception, listen, I'll fight. I'm not a fucking killer. I'm not, I got to label the enforcer of, I got to enhancement in the label enforcer on the indictment, right? And every violent act over the course of the three, four, whatever years it was, I was involved with. And they tried to make it like in the movies, the movie that's been done and all that kind of stuff. It's always on me enforcer, the white supremacist, fucking lunatic, beating everybody up and all that kind of stuff. And like people try to portray Chris and Jeff as like, oh, they're pussy's or playboys. Or you know what I mean? Dad, he's just a daddy of that. It wasn't, they didn't need me for any of that stuff, but if I'm there, why wouldn't you have me, right? It's not, if you have, so if you have a tool, why would you not use it, right? This episode is also sponsored by PrizePix. 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It was discussed a little bit and I was like, dude, that just doesn't make any sense. We're not doctor, you know? And I didn't even know what a fucking rocksy or oxy or I said it before, like the only time I've ever had any paint pills is like when I got my wisdom teeth taken out. And I do remember though, like I had somebody over to my house and I was like, dude, I took these fucking pills, I'm not taking these things. Can I have them? Can I have them, you know what I mean? So I don't like Xanax, what does it do? Make sure you go to sleep and not remember it? Like that's not, you know what I mean? I was like, whatever. And I didn't even take it here. All I was thinking about when I got out of jail and stuff was what what am I gonna do, right? But, you know, he had talked about this. And, I don't know, it was two or three weeks. And Chris called me and was like, I'm doing it, I'm doing this pain clinic. Will you come build the office for me? And I was like, what else am I gonna do? So I went and he leased out this old, it was an old cell phone store. Building was over 100 years old or something. Right on May, thoroughfare. - Where was it? - It was on Oakland Park, 500 Oakland Park Boulevard in basically Fort Lauderdale. It's a LGBTQ community. So literally, we sit in there and like dudes would rollerblade by in a bikini at two o'clock on a Tuesday. You know, it's crazy. Every store had the flags up. There was a transgender strip club type deal there called Lips that we didn't have any idea that it was that, we thought it was a strip club. And we like went in and they were laughing at the door and they were like, yeah, yeah, go in, go in. Like made a joke and then Tina Turner came out from behind the, you know, it was like a, not like a strip club where they dance on a poles, they come out dressed all in drag and sing songs and chill like that to you. And we were like, what the fuck? You know, it was crazy, but yeah, it was like, yeah, just I needed it too. He had it framed and drywalled. And he needed me to put the doors in, put the door handles on, paint it, put the flooring down. Windows, chill like that, you know, no problem. Took like, he's like, I gotta have it done. I'm opening on this day and the doctor. And I'll be honest with you, I like, it didn't even, I was like, oh, you're crazy. There was a couple conversations where I was like, explain it to me again. I'm like, I don't really get it. And then being there, like I worked late, he had it done, so I'd be there at nine o'clock at night. And it had a giant sign, huge sign, out on the main thoroughfare, just said paint clinic. White or red letters, you could see it for two miles or what. And we never ended up getting the permit for that place. We got the permit to do a paint clinic, but no permit for the fucking sign, which is crazy. But I'd be working there at nine o'clock at night and the door would just keep opening with people with Appalachian accents, with camel hats and fish hooks on their hat, coming in going as a doctor here, mate. And I'm like, what, a doctor? I remember one time I was gluing that carpet down and cutting the door, so I had glue and sawdust, like stuck to me, right? And I'm like, doc, what the, you know, it was crazy. And whatever. So I built it out in like two weeks. He said, I'm going to open tomorrow, I said, cool, man, you know, you need something else, you give me a call, dude. I went back to sitting on a couch, you know? And so a couple days later, he calls me and he's like, hey, man. Yeah, everything's going good. I need, are you doing anything tomorrow? I said, no, no, I said, I need you to come down here and just sit here. It's a Diana, the doctor. It's in a, not a great neighborhood. I got a bunch of drugs in a safe. And I got to go set up some bank accounts and stuff. Can you just come and sit and make sure no way robs a place or Diana's got a big mouth, no way smack, sir. We all got to do nothing, dude. Just sit here. I'll pay you good for it. And I was like, yeah, what am I doing? Can't drive, can't do nothing. So they picked me up. I went down there, I sat there all day. I was, you know, there was 10 people came in and out. Um, they have a little, there's just a little teeny area and a file cabinet. It's kind of like this thing here, um, few files in it. We had a fax machine, just like a, it was just like running a construction office. You know, I mean, people would come in and fill out the paperwork. They go back and see the doctor. I didn't talk to the doctor. I just kind of stood there and people would come in, look and see me sitting there. Like what, what are you doing here? Kind of thing. And these are still like out of towners. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. That's it. A couple like Florida dudes or Florida lesbians, you know what I mean? And right around the corner was AIDS clinic, HIV or AIDS clinic, whatever it was. So they get crazy pain medication. So, um, one of the first person that I realized was a sponsor, which is somebody who recruits a bunch of people to come in and pays for their visit and takes half their pills or whatever. They work out some kind of deal with a bunch of people that are referred to pain management and they pay them for their getting them the script. You know, whether it be for sex drugs, money, whatever it is. So one of the first ones was this lesbian broad and she would go get all these ex hookers and stuff like that from the HIV clinic and bring them in ten out of time. You know what I mean, after, well, I'm getting ahead of myself. But anyway. So yeah, I stayed there that day and at the end of the day, it took me to root crisis day gals for dinner. Um, handed me like 700 bucks, it was like, thanks man, I appreciate it. I was like, alright, that gives me a little bit of breathing room for, you know what I mean? All I had was this little stash of 10 grand. That's it. I didn't have a car or nothing. I had to, till I figure something out and, um, so two days go by and, uh, it calls me again. Hey man, can you come? I'm like, yeah, I'll be there for sure. Are we going root Chris again? Hell yeah, I'll be there. So I went down, I sat there and I was like, you know, just kind of watching. I noticed that there's a little, what was a closet in the little room, little four foot, deep three foot wide closet. There was a gun safe in there, just full of pills, um, they went to, uh, bought a couple of laptops and label printers and bought Walgreens is, uh, pharmacy. You can buy that. You could just go, they're, they're a computer program like the stamp. No, they're actual program, dude. Uh, so you put it in there, you put the patient's name, everything in it. It prints it out. The only thing that changes the Walgreens name on the top, it's the same fucking thing, right? And, uh, you know, I started noticing stuff. Chris said, Hey, man, I need some, I don't know what this HIPAA is, all we got to have these forms. I don't want to get in trouble. This is starting to look pretty good. The doctors tell me we need to get HIPAA forms in this and the patients need to fill out a pain management contract and this and that. I was like, I don't know, you're, he's like, will you go in and be a patient at another clinic and steal the paperwork? I don't know. Yeah. Why not? Dude, why the fuck it? So I went in. There's one right across the street. Walk across the street. It's like, hey, I want to be a patient. They gave me the paperwork. I walked right out the door with it. There's another one open down the road who went it up being Vinny Kalanchalo, have you heard of him? Mm-hmm. Pill Mill Vinny? I have heard of him, actually. Okay. We had him open right down the street and we walked into it, right? This is like my second day. We're just figuring it out, right? We walked into it and there's literally Vinny sitting. He's got long hair. He's a Italian guy. The chest hair out. Look, a true guinea, bro. Yeah. You're gold, right? There's like a fucking Ferrari or something parked out front, like a yellow Ferrari sitting at a card table in a folding chair. And over in the corner is a fucking basically a sheet with a doctor behind it. And he's like, hey, you guys want to be a patient? What's up? I'm like, holy shit. And he's like, I'll help you fill your paperwork out. He's like, what do you guys want? Of course, I don't really tell them. I just want to get a couple. He's like, I'll tell you what, you want 240 rocks there. You know what? We'll might as well throw in some 15s, too. You're going to need them. He's like telling us the whole thing, right? And he's filling out our paperwork. All right, just sign here. And we're like, I don't know. I don't think we're going to do it, buddy. We walked out of there cracking up like holy shit. This is fucking crazy. This is lunacy. It's drug dealing. This is fucking crazy, right? He was fucking smoking in there. This motherfucker was smoking. I said, holy shit. Now, the doctor over street, the original doctor, the candy man, he's the only doctor. So it's Chris, his wife, the dog, Mo, the medical director of the facility, then the doctor. And then pretty much after that day, I started coming every day, basically. Right. And I think I may be missed and one or two days while I did something else and then they finally were like, just listen, man, just come, just tell you figure something else out, just come with us every day. It's okay. No problem. I never had a thought of staying there. It was like, okay, I'm going to figure something. I'm going to figure out a way to get a work license. I'm going to get my residential contractor's license back. I'm going to do something. Something's going to come up for me, right? Just waiting for the right opportunity. And I was like, yeah, no problem. So that doctor, Dr. Overstreet, he was working at another pain clinic like what do you call a moon lighting, right? working one day a week or some, but he had all this pills there because it's the doctor who orders a pills. Now, we're the ones who got the doctors to sign power of attorney over as their agent to where we would give them two, three grand a week or whatever, and we had power of attorney. We just ordered a pills with the DEA forms for them. So, we're the ones who figured that out. So, he was working for this other guy. Forget what his name is, but he's an ex-NHL player, okay? And he had a couple of these little clinics and stuff, and he got into a feud with the doctor overstreet, because he believed that those pills were his, not Dr. Overstreet, this is the first week, dude. This is the most good first week. So, something, there's some phone calls back and forth, threats were made or something, and I didn't know it. I was sitting there just being a bouncer, bro, just sitting there. I don't even know what these guys are doing. I don't know anything about what's going on. Just sitting there, if something happens, I get up, take care of it, right? Chris comes running back in office, and I'm like, "What's going on?" He's like, "Oh, man, I just had a bunch of cards for our pain clinic made, like a box of 500, whatever the business cards come in." And I went to that other, that guy, Todd's pain clinic, and I dumped him all over the front steps, and offered free visits to people and stuff, and I'm like, "Was he there?" He's like, "No, they weren't open yet." And I'm like, "Oh, man." So, two minutes later, the phone rings, and it's his guy, Todd. And he's like, "Oh, I'm on my way over there right now. I'm going to fuck you up." I think he might have called before Chris told me what happened, right? So, I'm like, "All right, motherfucker, I had no idea. I'm like, "All right, pull up, dude." I'll be here. I have no idea who it is. And he was yelling something about stealing patients or something, and I was like, "I don't want to worry." So, I stepped outside, and the car pulled in, and it backed out and drove away. And that was the last I heard of it, and that was the last of any of it, until I did the Matt Cox show, and that motherfucker is on there, writing comments like a motherfucker. "How is he going to kill me?" And all kinds of crazy shit. But anyway, yeah, so that happened, and then I just started bearing kind of, you know, it's boring. It's Kristen Care, if I drank beers all day, whatever, I just kind of assimilated myself into it, helping people fill in out paperwork, talking to people. It's being myself, you know what I mean? I didn't really have any job, right? You were learning the business, though. Yeah, yeah. I was paying attention to what was going on, how am I asking questions? So, how do you get to pills, asking about the forms, all that kind of stuff, you know what I mean? So, why was Florida ground zero? Why, what about the deregulation there? Well, so they call it a Casper system, or they call it, there's no tracking system for medication. So, there could be two doctors and two pharmacies right next door to each other. You go on a one, get some pills, go fill it at the pharmacy, walk out, go into the other doctor, and then go into the pharmacy next door, you can do as many times as you want. And there's nothing connecting it, as long as you don't go to the same Walgreens, back then there was records, Walgreens, CVS, and a million mom and pops, right? So, as long as somebody, it got to the point where those pharmacies wouldn't even be able to keep them on their shelves. So, like, later on down the road, you know, I had enough pills to supply about 70% of the people, right? And people would, if they would call them and be like, "Do you have the pills? I don't want to pay you my office visit and you not have the pills because I can't go someplace else." And I'd say, "No, I can't." And they'd be like, "Well, I have to go to somebody else who has the pills." I fucked that. So, it became our job before we opened for me calling around all the pharmacies to find out who has pills for people to go to after they saw us because I didn't want to lose them. And I didn't want to get them caught up in doctor shopping, right? And I would have, when you came in, if we didn't have the pills, I would give you a list and directions from, what was it back there, a map quest, right? I have a map quest, all that shit, and give it to the people if we didn't have the pills, right? So everybody, that's the thing. It's not the visit. It's the pills, right? And it's the pills that keep people coming back. So, yeah, that became a huge part of my job as the time progressed. And yeah, that's just what it was. At the time, there were 38 states with the tracking system and 12 without. And I think two of them, one was like Alaska and one was Hawaii. So there's really only 10 states, mainland. So you got like, down south, you got Georgia, Florida. I think Texas might have been on there. I think you could have gone to Texas. I know Missouri, because we were going to open a clinic in Missouri, right? So, but not many. Most of the country has to come to Florida to re up. They do. And listen, man, far as far to do, right? Like people in Florida is like, far as like the mix, the melting pot of all the fucked up people in the country. Right? Everybody comes to Florida. It's, yeah, it's, it also is just more people are corrupt down there. More people are willing to play ball. Sunshine state, bro. I love it. So at what point did you start to see like people that were obviously their drug trafficking? Like I said, immediately. Within the first week, I noticed that the people they would come in, see the doctor leave, and an hour later, they come back and have two more people. Like immediately. And not a bunch of them, but one, one person, right? Then the next day would happen again. And then on the way out the door, they'd be like, we're going back to Kentucky. I'll be back in 48 hours. Okay. And they would be back in 48 hours. And they're leaving with hundreds of pills. Yeah, the one guy would come in and you get 240, 120, 15's, some Xanax back then they were doing the mobic muscle relaxers as well, right? Throw in some Viagra, whatever we're selling all that shit, right? And he'd be like, boom, jackpot, buddy, I'll be back. And you sure shit, he'd come back. I have five people with him this time. They come down. They got their fishing poles. It was turning into a family barbecue and outside. Just went crazy. Like I remember at our second office, somebody pulled up with a giant Winnebago. And before I even saw it, they had the canopy up and the picnic tables out. And this is a parking lot on Cypress Creek Boulevard. So you're driving, it's back off the road a little bit, but if you were driving down Cypress Creek Boulevard, which is a main thoroughfare, there's a garage at the Fort Lauderdale Airport named after it. Right. Okay. You're in the middle of Fort Lauderdale. Yes. This is a highly populated area. Yeah. Like before I even saw them come in, or maybe I saw them was like, no way, some ways stupid enough to do that. They had a full-on keger going on out there. I had to go out and be like, dude, get this shit out of here. Are you fucking crazy? Are you? It's real. It's about what you're doing. And so one person came down with five people. Each of those people could leave with 240 pills. Think about the money they were making. And then holy shit. Just think about that. So you can do it at 10 places. Right. We had like eight. We own like eight of them. And we're not checking to see if you're going to all the places unless you pissed me off. You did something to me or you did something stupid that brought the police to me or something like that. Then I'm going to check it. I'm going to fuck you. Because you're fucking me. But yeah, dude. So how rapidly did you see this start to pick up? It was crazy, dude. So I had that $10,000. Like I said, that was all I had. Dude, in three months, there wasn't any worries anymore. There was no worries. I was like, I did it in my mind. I was like, dude, I did it. I was paying for college tuition. I was working. Graduation parties. I was paying mortgages for my family. My sister got a Mercedes. My brother's got teenagers got tojos and fucking, I brought, we're in $300 jeans and $500 sneakers and bucket. Like, it didn't matter. Just like that. So, and like I said, like I just got paid a salary at the paying clinic, right? Like five grand a week or something, right? Four grand a week. So the MRI thing, like 20 grand a week, right? The sponsors would call it, it's a, you're waiting. You're going to be there all day. If you get there at seven o'clock in the morning and you brought 10 people, you're going to wait all day, right? If you got to be back, you got to be somewhere. They call people, come up to me and be like, like, dude, I got 10 people. Can you get me to the front line? But I get it. It would be five grand. And they would do it. And it would come down like the sponsor they'd get a pre-loaded. So after a while the sponsors didn't even come anymore. The sponsor would have a lieutenant, would have a pre-paid loaded credit card, ten grand on it, twenty grand on it, and walk in and be like, "Hey man, listen, I'm paying for this person and I'll be like, dude, will you fucking. " No, it doesn't work like that, bro. I mean, I wanted it too, right? I was like, "Dude, it doesn't work like you can't do that. That's your financial advisor. I can't. We can't do that, man." You know what I mean? Everybody's got to have. I had to have some kind of rules because we were getting attention, a lot of attention from the local police, and how the whole case started is crazy, like, there's little like government coffee break areas, right? Like the police will have a storage unit or something over here where the Boca PD, the Cypress Creek PD, the FBI, they can all just go in there and, you know, just, they happen to be driving by and they stop it and they have a couple coffee together and say, "What's going on? What are you doing?" What happened was a Oakland Park police officer said something to an FBI agent who was investigating the Russian mafia, right? She went in there, saw the guy, was talking to the cops, asking him for some kind of lead. She was trying to make a name for herself as an agent, right? And she was investigating these guys. She just said, "Hey, you see anything suspicious or anything like that?" And the cop. This is. I heard her say this. And the cop says, "You should check out these guys over there on Oakland Park Boulevard. There's all these cars out of state cars going in and out, this and that." She went and staked out the place, watched, talked to a couple people. She talks about some movie or something where they were offering cigarettes to people that were coming out and asking them what was going on. They were wearing baseball caps and shit and she got the gist of the operation. She went to the federal prosecutor, said, "Listen, these guys are making money hand over fist. They're not doing anything illegal as far as we can see, as far as we can tell, and we checked into all this stuff. And something's going on, there's so much money going on in there." And the prosecutor said, "I don't care, figured out. Go ahead, start your case." And they started. So, we were at the first location from February to August. So within that first six months, this huge investigation started. Okay. Wow. And how much money you thought you'd think you guys pulled in over those six months? Those first. I remember week two, we were bringing in 30 grand a day. That's what we're bringing in. And our. the lease for that place, for that office, was $10,000 for the year. It was $10,000, so we had no bills. We just gave her the money. Wow. And so, the crux of it, the catalyst for it growing as, as, as prodigiously as it good, was the candy man, Dr. Overshreet, dying because he was the kingpin. He was the man with the plan, you know what I mean? He was, at that time, him and Chris were 50/50 partners. By this time, Chris and Jeff had fallen out. No friendships, no thanksgiving, no talking. Both of them telling me, "I'm not allowed to talk to the other one." And I'm like, "Dude, I hang out with Jeff all the time. I'm not going to fucking not hang out with him." And I'm telling Jeff, "I work for Chris." Well, what the fuck are you talking about? You guys figured it shit out. So there goes all our holidays together and going out on the boat and all that kind of stuff. That went on for three years, right? So, but in the beginning, two weeks prior to this, when this started, they were partners and getting other doctors together and all this shit together, right? So and it was initially Jeff who found the candy man, right? So and the candy man was like this Bohemian guy, like who wrote the old man in a sea? Ernest Hemingway. He was like an Ernest Hemingway dude, bro. He had a floral shirt and board shorts and sandals under his fucking jacket. He drove an old scout with a surfboard and a fishing pole sticking out of it. He was a dirt back too, though, man. It makes me sick now that I think I remember underage him giving scripts to underage girls and shit in the parking lot and like, I mean, that's kind of, that's pretty scumbaggy kind of thing they can't. I was mad because that was off the books, right? And all this happened. He was only there for three weeks and me and him didn't really like each other. I don't know why. A lot of people don't like me, but I just got a bad vibe from him. And he asked me to leave the room one night. And he wanted me to leave the room because he didn't want me to know what him and Chris's deal and everything was about the money and that kind of stuff, even though I already knew everything. I was like, whatever I went outside and I, he walked out the door. I was standing there, smoking a cigarette. He walked out the door. He had a fucking 25 grand in cash with him, you know what I mean? I went back in there and he was like, well, what was that about Chris? He said, oh, he's going on vacation. His wife doesn't know about. He wanted cash. He's going somewhere, whatever, never seen him again, right? And it took. So that was out of Friday night. So Monday, when we came in, he's not there. And we got 30 people waiting outside. When we lived in West Palm, this is in Fort Lauderdale, it's 45 minute drive in the morning. We opened at 7.30. We get there and there's 30 people every day, standing in line. By the end, it was crazy. There were all the way down the street, 100 people. I mean, it's on TV, it's in the newspapers, there's all, they got all kinds of names, the pillbillies. And this is all word of mouth. Yeah. It started with the sign and then it was just word of mouth, hey, you can get, it's, these guys are quick and fast and they got it. Yep. And so yeah, we start that Monday morning. You know, got no doctor. So we're panicking. Now, Chris and Jeff, I've been interviewing other doctors here, you know what I mean? This person talked to this guy, you know what I mean? So we had a couple leads and started making phone calls and he got in touch with this one doctor she lived in New York. She was in New York at 830 on Monday morning. She lived in New York. Chris made a phone call to her hung up the phone, Derek set her up with a plane ticket from Newark or LaGuardia to Fort Lauderdale. The first one you can get her on, I don't know how much it costs. When you get done with that, I need a rent a car set up and get her a room at the Hard Rock hotel for extended stay. I said, okay. Get done with that. All right, Derek, take Dr. Overstreet prescription pad. To call this print shop, you give them these numbers and tell them you want 500 scripts like this and you need them now and you'll pay whatever for it. She was there by noon. I had the scripts. We stayed that night close to 1 o'clock in the morning to make sure everybody got seen. I went for it and we were still trying to find doctors, right? And she had brought her brother with her. She was some kind of Arabic, maybe Guyana, something like that. I don't know. And she brought her brother with her. They're so nice. Nice people, you know what I mean? I was like, man, I can't believe that she's doing this, right? And her brother was like her business manager. He handed all the deals and he would sit there all day and watching. So we had a couple days of her doing it and, you know what I mean? She asked for a few things, she was like, because at the time, you didn't need an MRI. You didn't need an X-ray. You didn't even have to be hurt. All you had to do was say you were a cert. And there was like, in the Hippocratic oath, the doctors have to believe what their patients and take what their patients are saying and good faith and all that kind of stuff. But those waters get kind of murky, you know what I mean? And so Chris and I were like going, we can't find another doctor. This is really starting to take off. We got a fire doctor's and I was like, I was a big Craigslist guy back in the day, right? And when I worked for him on the West Coast of Florida, I put a bunch of the houses that we couldn't sell on Craigslist and they sold and I was like, dude, fucking Craigslist. Let's do it. And he did it and the phone didn't stop ringing. Didn't stop ringing. And they would come in, there's a couple would like accept a job, right? A couple doctors would accept a job and would be like, then they would go home and they'd Google Chris or something and they'd call and be like, listen, I can't work for you. You got a drug felony or something like that, you know? So for the most part, freaking optometrists, dentists. Crazy shit, dude. Crazy shit. And you know, we we did through a few and then Chris raised the price, the going price for a pain clinic. They were paying the doctor's 35 a patient. And Chris said, "Fuck that. I'm gonna take this shit over 75 a patient." Okay. So that meant the doctors got 75 bucks every script they wrote. Yes, sir. And that's how you guys took over is because you offer the doctors more and the more doctors you have. So originally, like I said, Chris, Jeff and that doctor, the candy man, they were partners. Right. Okay. So there wasn't no pain, right? So he found out what the going rate was for a moonlighting doctor at a pain clinic and it was 35. So that's what we started paying kittens. Maybe we paid her 45, right? And so with this ad, the doctors that were working at moonlighting at these other clinics saw it. We put on there make, um, make up to 5,000 a day, right? And these doctors that were working at other clinics, moonlighting and stuff, they started call it. And they were like, how much? And Chris is like, how much are we making now? I'll pay 75 if you could be here in an hour, right? And I had to end. I had their scripts. I had their EIE number. I had all that shit ready to go. We had fucking jackets form. I mean, it was a fucking kids playhouse. We had guns and toys and mace and brass knuckles and Chinese stars and beer and patron and a dog and poo poo pads and Chris's girlfriend at time now ex-wife is a stripper with the biggest tits you've ever seen. Like fucking sticking out the ear, fucking tattoos. Like, it's so great. So that's the key because all the roxies, there is all the product is the same. What gives you guys a leg up is you got the most doctors, we got the most doctors, right? Yeah. And then the getting the doctors to sign, however, turning to us to order the medication. And Chris just being like sick with it all day, all day day and night, finding somebody that will sell finding wholesalers, finding wholesalers and setting up accounts, making sure the money is paid, meeting with their agents. Little money here to look the other way, right? So we were able, we went above and beyond everybody else because of the doctors and the ability to be able to get more pills than anybody could get because these people, they don't want to go to Walgreens, right? They'll pay, they're selling them for 40. They're buying them from us for $2 or $3. We're making 100% profit at a minimum off that. They're going and making 4,000% profit on it. They're selling for $40, $45. So what do they care? Yeah. What do they care if they pay a little bit extra and they don't have to deal with Walgreens? Walgreens ask questions, right? People ask questions. All right. So what questions? I don't give a shit. So it was all good between us and the patients and all that shit for a little while, man, but that shit fucking wears on you, bro. It wears on you. So you got Chris went from one clinic to how did it expand and then how did you eventually get your own clinic? So what happened was was after about, so Dr. Gittens, we had Dr. Gittens and we got Dr. Joseph full time call it March, right? And we had over the next several months, we had these guys coming in, one of the main doctors, Dr. Graham, who was like the main part timer, right? We had all these five, six, seven, eight doctors, two of them would come in on Tuesday, another two would come in on Wednesday and walk out with 2,000. They'd come in at four o'clock and leave at six, right? So we had all these doctors. We had all and they would sign there. So we'd have all these pills. Like I said, I was saying the patients became a problem, man. They're fucking passing out and overdosing. Like I said, people ask questions and make complaints and maybe some fucking kid's mom catches him and sees that he got 240 oxycodone because he broke his fucking pinky toe and he snort in him in his bedroom and he got him from a gynecologist. So people are calling and you know what I mean? Dr. Joseph is a fucking gynecologist, dude. He's writing scripts in the gynecologist for 40 years of gynecologist, right? Yeah. So people are making complaints. Now the FBI is looking into us. The FBI is telling Oakland Park PD, the highway patrol to start harassing us, parking in a parking lot. There's literally armed robberies. I got shot at one day, fucking a guy came in from Kentucky. I got his head. He looks like the fucking unabomber. He had the glasses that had sitting on the top of his head, the hoodie, the flannel type shirt and his girl went and she gave her paperwork, right? We made a copy of it. I was standing outside of the checking window. Just standing there, whatever. And I'm watching what's going on. So we accept her MRI paperwork and stuff and make a copy of it and give it back to her and the man sees that it worked. So he grabs a pencil and crosses her name off of it and writes his name and says, I like to be a patient too. And I'm like, come on, dude. Not cool, man. Listen, man, here's a script. Go get an MRI, right? Take it easy, bro. He was very, very upset and ended up getting into a physical altercation. I threw his ass out, came back, threw him out again. They left an hour later. I went out to the side and I'm smoking a cigarette and a glare caught my eye in the parking lot across the street. I was called CC's fish camp restaurant. And the glare caught my eye and then a truck, a old dusty blue S10 with three people sitting in it parked not in a parking spot like diagonal like three. And then I kind of went like this and I realized that the driver was hanging out the window with a rifle pointed at me. And just as that happened, the dirt two centimeters away from my right foot exploded. And then the wall behind me got hit with a bullet. And I dove on the ground and the car peeled out. And I like I was hiding behind like a plastic recycling bin like a big yellow one. And the door was right there. And I cried the door and I like rolled in. And Chris and Diane were sitting there like, what the fuck is going on? And I couldn't stop laughing. It was the funniest fucking to me. It was so funny. I was like, dude, somebody's fucking chewing at me. It's fucking crazy. Whatever. So all those type of things were happiness, but it's getting hot. So the cops are really, really harassing people, right? And there's we're right on a corner. You I guess you can make a U turn. But the cops are pulling everybody that makes a U turn over Chris gets pissed. He hates the cops. He go jumps in a car with some guy that's all fucked up just to say the cops are watching and they see Chris getting this car. Make sure the cars clean. There's no drugs, nothing in the car. They do the U turn cop pulls him over Chris arguing with the cop. The cop ended up arresting him for obstruction, right? Because he wouldn't get off the phone with his lawyer. And now we're at 60 patients every day. It's been 34 months of 60 patients every 30, 40, 50,000 dollars every day walking out of there with. So he goes to jail, right? Doesn't get out to the next morning. He goes to jail for Lordell. We go home, pick him up in the morning. He goes, we go right to the office. He sits down at his desk 30 minutes. I'm getting everybody going. He goes it's it's like a Friday. And he's like we're moving this weekend. Don't make any plans this weekend. I was like, dude, I got my little brothers coming here this weekend. He's like, I guess they're helping us move fucking file cabinets and shit. We went that night. I think it was actually it was like a Thursday. And that night we went to Home Depot and made he just bought he just leased a huge space that was it was like 5,000 square feet of open space with like three little offices in it. So we went to Home Depot and just bought a bunch of two by fours and harnacle board and basically made like a a triage center dude with all with the fire extent like fucking totally up to grade. We did it in a night and a morning. And that weekend I had my little brothers with us. We fucking moved all the fucking file cabinets and and copy machines and desks and everything. We're open for business Monday morning with somebody sitting at the old clinic handing out the fucking things, right? And then right before that was when Chris was like, what do you think if I buy a couple billboards and put them up on i95 and a turnpike? They're like they're 18 grand or something for a month and we designed this pain clinic our phone number, half a mile east of I-95 off Oklahoma Park Boulevard, man, people came in droves from that. Crazy. So you guys went from 60 patients a day to how many? You know, within the first month, it was 120 and then it was in the 220s. You know, when we were there, that was August, we're at that clinic, August to December. And we had to move again, the people that owned the building were like, no, you guys got to go, this is over. And you're doing hundreds of thousands a week now, you know. And at that, so that wasn't, those people, we couldn't have stayed there, right? Even though they weren't going to renew us. But that place. So we ran this fucking ad on Craigslist for chicks, right? For hot chicks at the office, right? File clerk, female file clerk, busy paying clinic, downtown Fort Lauderdale, $500 a week, no resume or experience needed, just send us a picture. Strip clubs are dead ladies. This is all you got. Yes, right? So, you know, we hired a couple of girls, whatever. We do interviews periodically. We have like five girls come in at Tuesday morning at 11 o'clock. I mean, of course, going there and fucking pinch our asses and fucking sexually harass them and whatever, because why not? We're untouchable, right? What are they going to do? So what questions do you ask them in the interview? Are you passionate about pain pills? Do you like it raw? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, that kind of shit, you know, just nothing to do with anything medical or anything like that is fucking us fucking around. What kind of car do you want to drive? You like going to that kind of shit. So the feds use that, right? They just showed up one day, right? I got a, I had a security guard named Tito. It's big fat Puerto Rican guy, four hundred pounds, funny as shit. He came to dress, to work dressed in like a, and a security outfit with a whistle. And it was like, he bought it at the thrift store. So the pants didn't match the fucking, it was like top flight, whacking hut, fucking hat with something else and fucking pink whistle. Funny as fuck guy, right? He came basically came. He took a bus from Miami Gardens to Fort Lauderdale for $500 a week. I ended up buying him a car and shit. Funny as shit. And so he comes to me one day. He's like, Hey, Derek. You got one of them girls here. No, I'm like, huh? I don't have nothing scheduled. Chris, you have some schedule? No, man. I go back there expecting a fucking escort or something, because that's what would come, you know what I mean? And it was like a, you know, middle age black woman, dreads, professionally dressed resume shit. And I was like, you know what I mean? I tried my best to not be rude to her, but there's no way that she could not take it. Her name was agent ended up being an FBI agent. And her name was, I think it was king, something like that. So I got rid of her. And she made a couple of comments about it being a modeling agency or a doctor's office, medicine being practiced and luxury cars in the employee parking lot on her way out. And I was like, whatever. So that very next day, I'm doing my thing setting up in the morning. And Tito is like, yo, ladies back, bro, he's Puerto Rican guy. So he has that Puerto Rican, I can't do it, you know what I mean? And he's like, yo, dog, the ladies back, man, she brought her friends with her. And I turn around. And it's her and like 15 agents all of their fucking badges out and like shut this motherfucker down. And this is a, this is an inspector. We have a warrant for, for an inspection. I was like, fuck, dude, I have no idea what Chris is doing. I have no idea what's going on in the pharmacy. I'm like, fuck, I knew it was coming. And I'm still on probation from that fucking drive and shit. I'm not even supposed to be in for a lot of, I'm not supposed to be out of Palm Beach County. And I'm definitely not supposed to be working at a pain clinic. And like I tried to tell you, it was before the doctors even got there. There was like maybe one or two doctors in a parking lot. And they're like, shut it down and separate everybody. Derek Nolan, give me your driver's license. And I was like, oh, I don't have a driver's license and they were like, that's kind of weird. We just watch you pull up in a $100,000 Mercedes. You don't have a driver's license. Aren't you a probation? And I was like, like, just telling me that they've been watching me. And I'm like, fuck, man. And they were like, guys, this is just an inspection. Nobody's going to be going to jail today. Unless whatever, but you need to separate everybody. And there's like some of those girls that we hired were like, fuck you pig and fucking like going and fucking locking themselves into bathroom and having meltdowns. And I'm like, oh man. And everybody's, nobody's dressed like it's a doctor's office. Everybody's wearing a fliction t-shirts, true religion jeans, fucking boots, fucking everybody's got all the guys got like fro hawks and tattoos. All the girls tits out the place we would we had we would go to the mall and buy all the remote control toys, right? Like 20 helicopters and big foots. And we would fucking drive them right. So some patient would be in the office with the doctor. We put like a sticky note on it and fucking fly it into the doctor. It was just, there was girls pulling their tits out and putting them on a glass. I had a refrigerator full of fucking beer, Jamison and fucking Patrone. That's what I drank back then. It was not a good look for anybody other than us to see what went on back there. A little bit worse. People are dying, you know for sure. But that's what I still don't understand. Like what was the illegality of it? There was nothing illegal. That's why they couldn't do anything. Right. It was a scare tactic. They came in wanting to go through the books, make sure we had all of our licenses, our permits, everything right down to the occupancy, right? Want to make sure we had our fire permit. We want everything then they wanted to count the pills. They wanted a pill count. They wanted to see that you, when you order these, these drugs from these pharmaceutical wholesalers, right? You have to fill out a form for the DEA. It goes to the DEA first. The DEA approves it. Then it goes to the wholesaler, right? So they wanted to make sure our forms were in order. What exactly? They were just trying to see what the fuck we were doing. And they said it was on the news. And they said these guys aren't doing anything wrong. They got their fucking dot in all their eyes and crossing their teeth. They said it multiple times because it becomes illegal when the people who go to buy, who bring 10 people with them, and then they go out. Yeah, that's what I think it made, huh? I don't do that shit. I don't know what to fuck it. When am I supposed to follow all 500 of these motherfuckers home every day? Oh, this is what I do. I keep them in here and not destroying the neighborhood. What they want to do is that's their business. You know, when they sign a pain management contract, you made them buy, like, remember, like, safety week at school, you get like the yuck stickers. And you would have, they would give you like books on like addiction and, you know, what not to do. We make them buy these books and give them hotline numbers and make them do all kinds of stupid shit. But their main goal was they wanted to scare the doctors. So they separate like they brought me in the room. They brought Chris in a room. They talked to the regular employees and stuff as like, as a group, but they would go into the room with the doctors like five of them, right? And fucking try to scare them. And Dr. Joseph, that gynecologist got a scare to shit out of him. And he fucking gave them his medical license. He quit and gave him his medical license and signed a form saying that he, by doing that, he was avoiding future prosecution for drug trafficking, right? And within a week he was calling asking me for money to fight it. And I'm like, dude, no. But what that also did is that when that scares the doctors and stuff, right? They held their mud, they held their ground. But then they started asking, they're like, they start, they want to renegotiate their deal. I want more money now. I want more money. I don't want to do it this way. I want to do it that way. And we already had the shit down, right? And that causes dissent, right? So now, and they all signed, Chris would make everybody, all the doctors signed non-copies, right? So you can't work, you can't moonlight nowhere else. And then if you decide to leave here, we still have the right to order medication for six months on your license. And you can't work on another pain clinic for this long, and you can't divulge any information or contact any of our patients or any of that kind of stuff. And, you know, there was a couple of instances where it got heated and the doctor left and they didn't follow their, their non-copiet. They fucking tried to steal our patients, right? They set up their own clinics, they tried to steal our patients, they would send Christmas they would, when they knew they were gonna be leaving, they would write down everybody's address and phone number that they saw for the day. And they'd be like, "I saw 100 people today." That's enough to start a business, right? If I get all 100 of these people, if I get 50 of these people, that covers my lease on my legal doctors. There's not fucking these ruffians, fucking bunch of fucking skullbreakers, knuckle draggers walking around here, pinching girls asses and shit. I'm gonna have it set up like a, so it caused a descent, which then brought lawsuits, and it brought subpoenas, and it brought depositions. And every time I would refuse to go to any deposition, I'm like, "Dude, I'm not doing it." That's all like, kind of like a public. So this is a civil thing, but all the courts are like connected. So you tell me the FBI can't get that deposition if they want to, and hear what? This guy, he might be telling this doctor, might be telling the truth, or he might be lying. We don't know. So at this point, are you sharing in the business now with Chris? - No, man, I never became a partner. My name was never on a single thing. I ran all my shit, my MRI stuff. I got a salary paycheck, which went up as the time went on, and I did all my side shit. That was all that shit was me, all the MRIs, the pharmacies, all that kind of stuff. That was all. He didn't, Chris didn't give me a hard time about any of it. You do that. I'll pay you this to do this. You do that. I refused to put my name on any form, any LLC, anything. I said, I knew what was gonna come, and I thought I was protecting myself, but they were watching everything, bro. And so even when the Carter opens, you're still not connected to it. That's still all Chris. - Wow. - And it's not even Chris. We switched ownership on the LLC every 30 days. Strong ownership, different people. His mom would be on it for a month. Some ex-cop would be on it for a month. This person would be on it for a month. Here's a hundred grand. We're gonna put your name on here for a month and switch it up, switch it up constantly, switch it up. - You just pay 100 G's. - Let me put this business in your name for a month. Wow. - What house? - What do you think you were making at your height? - Me? - Yeah. - 40 grand a week, 50 grand a week. Me, the clinic. I mean, I don't even know. I don't even know. I couldn't think of what number it was at that. - Yeah. - I mean, listen man, I'm not lying to you. I went to the Hard Rock Hotel in Casino and dropped a hundred grand on a fucking blackjack table in one night. Like nothing. - You don't have to think about it. - Didn't think about it till the next day after it happened to FB. I was standing on my door. And my bank accounts were empty. Didn't even think about it till then. I didn't think it was because they did that raid, right? They took that one doctor's license. We moved to our next facility, right? Nothing ever come of it, dude. So while that raid was going on and they were separating people, I sneak out, right? I sneak out the front door. I'd say, I'm going to get a doctor and I fucking bang the left and go around the corner and I call all the doctors, do not come in today. Do not come in today. I sneak back in like nothing happened, right? I'm sure they were out, somebody was outside watching me, but they never said nothing. So all the doctors didn't come in. Like three doctors, that's it. Of the, we probably had eight scheduled that day. So the one gave his license up. The other two told the FBI to go fuck themselves. One of them, he was old, his name was Dr. Blentz and he just quit. He never came back, never called. Once I called him and told him, they'll come in that phase and you never heard from him again. But he still, Chris still had his power to return to order medication on this guy's fucking wild, right? So, so how did you guys expand? So from there, that was the second clinic. So right away that happened. They already told us that they didn't want us anymore. Literally a mile down the road, we found in a like a business parkway, another huge space on the airport parking lot, airport property. So one side of the street is the airport and the other side is just like, what you see at any airport, like business parkways with garages, garage doors and stuff. And they're happy to be a huge medically approved fucking officer, maybe seven, eight thousand square feet with seven examination rooms and a huge pharmacy area. We built it out again. We hired some guys this time, built it out again, moved over the weekend. We had 30 employees by this time, right? So fucking, it wasn't nothing. You know, rented a couple U-hauls. And you're current customers at the old spot, do you just know that they'll find you? Do you let them know? Just leave the guy there with the flyers. - Yep, wow. Phone numbers the same. They call, hey, you're not here. Yep, this is where we're right down the street. Don't worry about it, come on in. And then it went crazy there. And I had like this place, I could keep the people under control because I had a chain link fenced in separate parking lot. And that's when I was like, you know what, I'm gonna get a couple of these MRI companies to bring a fucking trailer. It's literally a tractor trailer with an MRI machine and a wooden set of steps leading up to it. I'm like, I'm gonna get two of these motherfuckers here and have them competing in the parking lot for our business. And at the end of the day, only four grand. Then in the day of the fucking boom, people pull flying in, flying really. And we had, so we had some turnover at that second spot. Like what I was saying, there was descent. We had quite a few doctors that had, we had falling out within like lawsuits were starting. So we hired like, we're hiring like a new batch of doctors, right? It's one doctor, I'm not gonna say his name. He's a fucking super nice guy. He was just kind of fucking kooky, right? He was coming and he came in for an interview. And Chris wasn't there. So this is like, there's interview, like I, we should go hire him. If he gives us his DA license to order pills, we're gonna hire him. It doesn't matter. So just do it. And I'm like, okay. So he came in and he's like, God, it's fucking stethoscope. And he honed his own plastic surgery place and he's got his fucking white jacket with his name on it and the name of his clinic. And he's fucking done up with the suit and a fucking pencil protector and all that shit. And he's got his little glasses, gray hair. In shape guy though, you know, maybe 45. And I'm into it. I got my girlfriend sitting on my lap at Chris's desk. And she's like sitting on my lap and I'm like, fucking, hand up her skirt, fucking talking to this guy and I'm like, dude. You're hired bro. And he's like, I really wanna thank you guys for the opportunity. This is gonna change the life of my children. And this is such an amazing opportunity. You guys come, you got such respect in a medical community and I'm looking and I'm going, what in the fuck? Are you talking about dude? And I'm like, whatever. I talked to him for like 10, 15 minutes. I'm like, dude, when do you wanna start? And he's like, immediately, he was like, I'll start tomorrow and how many hours can I have? Well, you pay me by pay? I said, yeah, I'll give you $75 a patient. And I'll give you $2,000 a week to order pills. You sign this paperwork and he's like, well, how many patients can I see? He's like, if I, you guys close it like 530, right? Can I stay here till 7? So I get like, he was like so greedy, dude. I was like, holy shit man. This guy's gonna be fucking awesome. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, dude, this is great. And he drove an old convertible C-brain. Remember those? He's a gangster, right? Another thing, it was all fucked up. The convertible thing was all fucked up. So he leaves, right? And Chris comes in and I'm still sitting there and he's like, dude, who's a doctor? Who's a guy in the lab coat selling drugs out of his trunk in the parking lot? And I'm like, what? And we go and look and sure enough, here he is. He's got his fucking trunk open, right? And there's like three or four people around his trunk and he's got fucking bottles with syringes and he's showing these people, and he's selling this shit. And I'm like, what in the fuck? This is broad daylight, right on a main thoroughfare. Like anybody driving by, I'm going, are you fucking kidding me? This is happening in the parking lot. So I'm like, dude, get in here. What the fuck are you doing? He's like, oh, dude, it's not a big deal. It's not even like schedule drugs. I make this. It's for, it's like ED medication. You want some? He's like, I mix it, these certain things. It's not even scheduled. You put it in an insulin needle and you inject it at the base of your penis. And in like 10 minutes, you're hard for like two hours, right? It's not like Viagra that go away. He's like, I make it myself, dude. I make it at my office and I sell it. That's one of the things I do is erectile dysfunction. I'm like, you got to be fucking. And we do, this is fucking insanity. Crazy. So people could go to this spot, get an MRI, walk up to you guys, get a script, and then in the same building, get their prescription filled. All within, you know, depending on how much you wanted to pay, how much you wanted to grease me up, it could be done in two hours. You know what I mean, at the end, we had the MRI, I had the MRI companies having your results back in two hours. So you would go to the MRI place. That's when it was that guy Pete, he had the, he had one of those trailers behind a strip club in Riviera Beach, solid gold strip club. He had the fucking trailer with the wood steps in the parking lot. So people were going inside, checking in, getting a lap dance, coming back for the appointment time, he had beepers form. So they'd go in there, get a lap dance, eat, whatever. Go out there, get their MRI. And by the time they left, it was about a 45 minute drive from there to my office. By the time they got back to my office, I had the results of their MRI. - Fuck, something that would take you. - Usually it's 20, usually it started when it first started, it was 72 hours. And then I got them down to 48 hours. And I got them down to 24. And then I was like, "Fuck this, I need it, two hours, dog." And you made it happen. All you do is just hire multiple boards. Like I said before, you know what I mean? It gets, there's seven doctors on the board. It gets email to all seven of them. One of them is going to be sitting in front of his thing. So he had 15 boards of seven. So he'd fucking email it out, mass email out. First one to get it back to us, get paid. And there's never a lack of business. The demand, like I'm saying, it's like crack. The problem is having enough success in crack. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - It's way worse than crack. Is it better? - Yes, fucker. Dude, do you know that agony that they are in? And that was when they don't have those pills. That was a thing me and Chris bought his heads on because he was sympathetic to them about it, right? He was like, dude, you can't be kicking these people out. You can't be beating them up. You can't do that, you can't do that. Dude, do you know what they're going through? If they don't have those, like when they don't have those pills, do you know the agony and the frustration and anger that ruins their lives when they don't have it? And like I'd been dealing with this shit for like three years and I just had it by the end. I had had it with these motherfuckers, dude. I had to fucking had it. The day before the FBI raided, I choked this motherfucker unconscious right in the middle of the fucking office. This fucking, I just couldn't take it. My head was like the scumbag moves. I coined them junky stunts is what I call it. It was just unbelievable. The shit that these people would do. I couldn't believe it. And little old ladies, 75-year-old ladies, you know what I mean? Just fucking straight outlawing me, you know what I mean? It's terrible. It's fucking terrible, dude. I was so stressed out in such a, by the end of it, I was so stressed out in such a miserable person that I was just like, dude, fucking, I'm ready to go back. There's a wire tap, like two days before the raids, finally, the feds finally came. I'm me talking to Chris and I'm like, dude, I've had it with this motherfucker. I've had it with these motherfuckers. I'm ready to go fucking start digging ditches and plumbing. Again, I'm fucking done. They played that shit in the courtroom. And they're like, what do you mean? You're going to dig ditches and I'm like, oh, man. Guys, you took it the wrong way. I just, dude, I'm compassionate person, shit, but bro, there's only so far that these people can push you, you know? Did you have any non-drug users? Like, when it really started. Like, did you have any, like, for instance, black guys, or guys that you could tell were there to take it out of town and flip it? Did you have any, like, big time guys, like, regulars? Yes. But like, I did everything I could. Chris alienated himself from everybody. So all the orders from Chris were given through me. You didn't see him. He came out of his office like once a day. And then I started to alienate, like, if it was something like that, everybody always tries to cross the line. Whether it's just somebody that's not a drug addict. It's just a big time pill dealer, right? People that can sell a million pills in one shot, right? They can literally sell a million pills in one shot and bring me back $4 million in cash. You dealing with guys like that? Yes. And so I just didn't want, I'm like, dude, 'cause I saw, back then, I had a friend sold 180 pills with no criminal history. He got 15 years in the fed and not in the feds. And it's state, 15 years of state prison for 180 pills. And after a amount of time, I was like, like I said, my name wasn't on anything. The only thing that would connect me to that, I make Chris pay me a cash, right? I think I got like a $300 check every week. That was on the books just for like tax purposes. I think my 2010 tax term was like $32,000. So, yeah, I, they would always cross the line. They would come right, they would come a couple times. I know who they were. I know people at many deals with them, this and that. And they would come a couple times and feel, I would be nice to them, you know what I mean? I especially would be nice to the people that weren't all fucked up, you know? And they would feel that they knew me well enough or whatever would compel them to do that to think it'd just like come up to me and be like, all right, dude, I'm ready to fucking just give me 100,000 pills, right? Like they would just come up and show me the money and I'd be like, dude, are you fucking crazy? Look at all these people I have working. Look at what I have going on here. Do you think I'm gonna risk all that? And are you, how do I know you're not a fucking cop? Right? But I didn't want to say that, right? 'Cause then they're gonna assume that I was doing it with somebody else, what if they were the cops, right? So you never made any side deals like that? I did a couple things, big, big money, things. Can you talk about those? I don't know, what's this, that should, that should have a limitation on that shit. 'Cause you're good, this was over 15 years ago. Yeah, so, you know what, Jeff wanted me to talk about this before 'cause it has to do with Jeff. He wanted me to talk about it before and I for the movie. And I just didn't, I'm not really comfortable with it 'cause I'm not super comfortable, I just cried on here so I don't give a shit what I say now. But there's always people in my life that care about me and stuff that always believe like Derek didn't do anything wrong. He wouldn't, you know what I mean? That kind of thing, so I always wanted that too, but I mean, it's so long ago now, but so he had, Jeff had that other, that small clinic, right? And he would order like a hundred thousand pills, right? And he'd call me up and he, they saw like 20 people a day, right? And he'd call me up and I would go in there and we'd make up fake files and put fake scripts in the files for the records. And I'd just load up a hundred thousand pills and write, in the back of my car, drive it. I knew somebody, they'd take a hundred thousand pills, give me a million dollars. Fuck. Millie bucks cash right there. A half, I think. Millie they have. So buck 50 a pill and they're flipping it. They're making three million profit off that. Jeff bought a strip club with that money. A bought a fucking strip club with that money. One deal. He called me and said, listen, I want to buy the strip club. I need $3 million right now. What can he do for me? I said, what do you want me to do, brother? I said, I got, I got somebody else too. You know that, right? He said, yeah, you can make a little bit. No problem. So that was really the only time I ever, I did that for him like twice. But you could have never came up. You could have made like untold millions. If that had been your deal, you could have just pulled off the guys to the side. Oh, I got caught, dude. Of course. That's, that's going in like, 'cause those dudes are going to get close to the time and bro. I'm fucking, you know, MRI, I stayed out of all that. That drugs holds, you know, it's 30 years, it's life-senses and like, you know how in the feds, you're in a state, right? So in the feds, whatever drug it is, there's a conversion table and they convert it to pounds of marijuana. I know. That's fucking insane. Dude, I didn't get charged with any drugs in this case. I was charged with racketeering, kidnapping and extortion, okay? But the relevant conduct, it was 22 million pill, 22 million, RoxyCode on 30 milligrams, 16 million, RoxyCode on 15 milligrams, like 4 million Xanax, right? And I think that was it. The only person in the case that was charged with more was Chris, right? He got like, And it was like a million. He got charged with it, right? I did it. It was just relevant conduct and they say I'm responsible for this by being the enforcer And providing an establishment a dwelling For all this to transpire that makes me responsible for selling all these pills, right Um, Chris actually got charged with it, but then they did a Conversion table, right like one Roxy is like seven pounds of marijuana, so we like we get your get it was like fucking seven billion pounds of marijuana I was like what the fuck and you're like You're not charged with it, but you have to be at you know the highest level is a 42 in the feds You know, I mean it goes from one to 42 on the guidelines and like you're a fucking 42. That's it Tell you you can tell your grandchildren. I sold billions of pounds of weed I don't I don't even smoke weed I can't I don't I don't it's because I'm fucked up, right? I'm not Emotionally and shit. I'm not great because of how so like when I if I smoke weed I just go down a bad path cocaine same thing so like I can't Drugs Like I drink You know, I mean it doesn't alter my mind, but like All that shit start like I smoke weed and five minutes later. I'm like I am such a piece of shit Fucking look at me. I'm fucking 30 years old fucking sitting in the house fucking smoking weed What a fucking piece what a waste of life. I am. I don't got no white You know, I mean that's where I got. I can't do it. I just can't look at do it, but I say that to say like do you see like the absurdity of the drug laws? So you guys are a legal establishment. You can sell legally To a drug dealer from Wherever Durham, North Carolina He takes him and he sells him now. He's got a fed case What and then that fed case turns into fucking me right? But and the guys and then you go to prison But who are the people supplying you? Well people that are getting it from the DEA the DEA stamping. Yes And you know in 2019 or something like that when The criminal case Against the Sacklers is that what their name is the soccer fed when that started and they ended up losing they had to pay What a billion dollars or something like that which is it's a pittance. I got a letter. I was going home in This to I was going home in like a year right and I got a letter at the prison from A district attorney federal was Washington. It was Washington offer me A sentence reduction if I cooperated with them on that and I don't know anything about no Sacklers or nothing like that And I was like fuck yeah, I'm good now to hear right fuck these guys for sure and uh, but like I was going home before the fucking thing was even gonna start right you know Like dude I'm about to go in that where were you in 2011? Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? I was like Fucking hey at first like I wouldn't speak with him Right for so they came March 3rd and I didn't get a red they came March 3rd 2010 I didn't get arrested till August 22nd of 2011 so they just took all our money our houses and all that shit right and let us fucking float in the wind And they would call be like once you come and talk to us. This is going to be a last opportunity There's a grand jury convening Diamonds are going to be handed down Thursday. This is your last chance. I would never do it Who would they try to get you guys to roll on each other right and there was talking the beginning in the very beginning like like the day that we hired our attorneys right and um Our attorneys then called because they they didn't have any arrest warrants on that day they had search and seizure warrants and uh phone tap warrants so We knew and one of them got released Right one of so we knew what the scope was so we hired our attorneys Within a couple days of all that shit happened into all the seizures and all that shit and um You know our lawyers called the prosecutors and uh, you know I'm representing Derek Nolan. I'm representing Chris George You know, what can you tell us about the case and there was talk of us of them wanting us to cooperate against the drug wholesalers and against The big former companies. There was talk of it, you know what I mean? And um They just never happened. Yeah, you know why because those guys are lobbying in Washington Shit the day that they did the raid Obama was the president and he gave a speech commending the Commending the DA joint task force in South Florida on taking down in America. It was fucking on CNN Taking down America's biggest Feel I was like god damn fucking old bomb was talking about this shit I remember sitting there watching it on the news of miles as I was packing all my shit to leave Yeah, wow crazy, but it's all bullshit because America's biggest opioid supplier Got a fine And that's it. Oh, there's still these clinics are still open right now And the Suboxone those Suboxone clinics right fucking crazy Yeah, I heard in the feds. That's what people are doing too. Oh, yeah, once once my eye got fucked up in feds Fucking I was getting that shit all the time. All you gotta do is take it to a little strip like this They said it goes for like 300 bucks in there. I cut it in like 20 pieces take a little teeny piece every day And it's like fucking a miracle for my fucking eye like a fucking miracle But there's clinics all over by me for those Suboxone strips They're fucking Selt they sell out everywhere The clinics are crazy. They're just like they're all in little back alleys and shit just like my places were It's all the same. I friend of mine was like three of them. He's like fucking billionaire now Now, why do you think they're not getting the feds breathing down their neck like like you guys have because this Supposedly for a rehab dude and you can't it's a synthetic opioid that's you it's like methadone right so it's a privatized Methadone deal they give it to you when you go to rehab, you know, I mean so you you know instead of the detox You know if you go to rehab you got to spend 72 hours in a fucking padded room or something right so they get instead of they skip that now And you just get that and then they ween you off and this shit's worse than fucking It gets in your bones dude. I seen these motherfuckers in prison. Oh my god, dude. I thought they're gonna fucking die It's a worst get a selly that's fucking so to do we got I had a guy on here It was a super bad heroin addict recently and he said the Suboxone would really help him ween himself off the absolutely You can function on it, you know what I mean? It's and it's three dollars And you know he like I said I would get a strip, right? I'm a big guy with over 220 pounds I get a strip. I cut that thing into like 30 pieces and that's one dose one of those strips And I fuck it take it and like Like I said earlier. I don't like the feeling of being high it fucks with my head So I do that so I don't get the high. I just get the It would help with my eye when I was in prison, you know, I mean now all I need is a fucking Motrin and steroid eye drops and I'm okay, right? So Yeah, I don't like the high. I don't like Being out of control kind, you know what I mean not making bad decisions kind of thing So but that shit is so fucking strong dude. It's crazy. It fucked people up Yeah, but it didn't I guess it's not as bad as selling roxies Yeah, because there's the way they're marking they just get they just made it a schedule drug a few years ago Because it's like it's like a outpatient rehab type of thing. It's like methadone like a methadone clinic like said Let's be honest, you know what it is they came after you guys because you were making too much money It really is that's all it is the fucking government is just made up of human beings Civil servants busters as we call them and they just don't want a bunch of fucking hicks making money you know and Not to excuse the havoc you guys reached right but the shit was It was legal what makes that the most obvious? It's like I was never charged with a drug crime It was all the little bullshit a fist fight turned into fucking kidnapping a fucking argument turned into extortion And they put those things I didn't I don't have any drug charges nothing Right, so I'm the enforcer for basically a cartel Right an American opioid cartel Organized crime, but I've never been charged with a fucking drug crime Nothing, yeah, I got charged of kidnapping extortion Racketeering and you didn't kidnap anybody I mean So you They twist everything right I fuck somebody up. I put them in handcuffs Fuck them up. I Didn't transport them anywhere. I didn't ask for any ransom, but because I held them against his will and handcuffs Um And assaulted them and made them I made them make some phone calls while it was handcuffed So that became kidnapping So you've got that you've got Well What's the other one? - Extortion. - That was for the Jacksonville guys, the kid. Would you say Jason? - Oh yes, Jason Vulture Beck. - Yes. - Good front of the show, what's going on here? - Yeah. - What was that about? - So, I don't know. Couple of years in 2009. I'm dealing with a lot of things with the clinic where making all kinds of money. There's, you know, with anything, there's gonna be people that don't like you. There's gonna be people that want what you have. One of the main things that was going on was there was people wanting to open up their own pain clinics and instead of doing it the way that pretty much the only thing that I ever did negatively towards anybody, any other buddy, anybody in that profession of cell and pills or whatever was stealing their medical paperwork and photocopying our name onto it for the people that that's all I ever did. I never went after anybody's business went after their patients. But they never did anything like that. But pretty much everybody came after us, you know what I mean? We were the big dogs and they wanted what we had and they, you know, used all kinds of grill marketing tactics and setting up clinics in between us and a major thoroughfare so that all of our billboard traffic would go to them. They would name them their company something similar to ours, right? They had a bunch of guys that looked like me working there at the same business plan, you know what I mean? The same way, you know, they, and they were mostly ex-patients, right? Or, you know, at least sponsors or something like that, right? So one day in November of 2009 or something, the patients are always trying to talk to me, right? And I'm always like, dude, fucking, whatever, dude, your business is free. Just leave me the fuck alone, right? Right, if you come back next time, I'll give you your pills for free. Just leave me the fuck alone, dude, handle your own shit, kind of thing. And these guys kept coming up to me going, hey, man, when's your clinic in Jacksonville open up, dude? I'm like, what are you talking about? You called me last week, said you were gonna save me 16 hours round trip, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, dude, I didn't call you. I'm not opening anything up in Jacksonville. I don't know where you're talking about, but it didn't relent. It just kept going. So eventually I was like, drew my curiosity, let's say. And I said, hey, you said I called you? And they were like, yeah, man, I even asked. I said, is a big guy with the fucking tattoos and shit? And he said, yeah, it's me. And I'm like, when did this call up? And they said, yesterday I said, you got the number? He said, yeah. And he gave me the number. It was at Jacksonville area code. I think it's 904. And I was like, huh, I just took the number. And waited till the end of the day. And I'm driving home. My cousins driving me. I'm a terrible driver. So I always have somebody driving me. So he's driving me. I grabbed my phone and I call the number. And somebody answers, American pain. And I'm like, American pain, who is this? And he goes, it's Derek. And I'm like, it's Derek. And it was like so caught off guard by it. I was like, what in the fuck? I don't even remember what I said. But I'm sure some kind of threatening hurts. And I was like, what are you doing? And the guy was like, listen, motherfucker, I got money too. So we're going to take all your business. I got your patient list. Fucking, there's nothing you could do about it. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, alright, man, cool, man. Alright, brother, hang up the phone. And I was like, alright, now I guess I got a fucking look into this. I don't like the way he talked to me. And the something that stuck out to me was, because of Chris and Jeff, they've always had money that people always say, I got money too. You're not special because you have money. And that's what they, everybody that talks bad about Chris and Jeff, it's all because they had money. I don't, whatever. So that stuck out to me that he said that. So that made me say they know who Chris and Jeff are, right? 'Cause why would he say that to me? So the next day I started looking into it more. I talked to Chris about it. I had the phone number. So I googled, I went on to Sunbiz. Sunbiz is the Florida's LLC. So you can go look up anything on all the LLCs out of Florida. So I went on there and I put the phone number in there. And it came up to a company called Jacksonville Payne. And there was a name on there, Zach Rose, who was that guy Jason's boss or something. I don't know who he was. And the other partner, the other corporate officer, was Pete Tindale from the MRI company that we were using. So those guys got together and made a deal. He gave Pete some money or some partnership. And he stole our patient list. Everybody that we sent to him and gave this guy all the files. And he was opening up a clinic and calling everybody. So whatever, I was like, at that point I had so much going on. It was, I had a ton going on. - And you're making so much money. - So, and I'm always mad. You know, I'm always pissed off. And I was at that point where I was like, dude, you got Chris, you handle this. Just tell me what you need me to do, kind of thing. And I handed the, I gave him all the information. And I said, you handle it. When you figure out what you want to do, you let me know. And he started calling the guy. And he started recording the conversations. I'm one of them like spy store, fucking things. He put it up to the phone, recording the conversation. And what he didn't tell me about his conversation with him that he was saying it was me, right? So there's all these hours of recording and fighting back and forth on the phone. I'm gonna fuck kill you, I'm gonna burn your place down. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. Fuck you, you're a bitch, blah, blah, blah. I'm gonna fuck your old lady, all that shit, right? - And he thinks he's talking to you. - Yes. - But he's talking to Chris. - Yeah. So whatever, that was, it was like a couple day period. And Chris was like, should I, soon I'm sure I do this. I'm like, dude, I don't care. Just tell me what you want, you tell me what you want to do. You deal with that, I deal with this shit, right? So he came to me and he was like, will you burn it down, burn your place down? It opens up December 13th. Will you burn it down before they even open? I was like, yeah. And he was like, how much? I said 50 grand. And he was like, okay, done. I said, all right, I'll take care of it. So I was gonna do it. It was right before college spring break 'cause my brother was coming down with me for to spend his college spring break. - This is in Jacksonville. - Yeah, so I'm in West Palm. This clinic's in Jacksonville. My brother lives in South Carolina. So all the holidays and summertime when he's out of college, he comes to live with me, works at the clinic, all that shit. - All my brothers. - Is a clinic in Jacksonville really gonna clip that many customers from you? - No, he just pissed Chris off. - Yeah. - Doesn't matter. The day all this went down, they saw 13 patients. - Right. - Nothing. So by me going up there, got me shut down and blew their clinic up because we were gone and they were fucking the only person left. Follow me. So I was going up there to do it and then I was gonna pick my brother up and Chris is like, call me, he's like, don't do it. I just spoke with an attorney. We're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. We're gonna file lawsuit on him. Now it could be this that we're gonna fucking take the business from him, cease and desist. What I need you to do is go off there and take pictures of Pete and his trailer there, see pictures of everything, just drive by and take pictures. So I went up there, I took my brother with me. - By the way, how were you gonna burn it down? What was the plan? - It's fucking gasoline. - All right. - I was gonna go bust the windows out with a sling shot, make sure all the windows are busted out because if you break the windows out, it doesn't trip to magnetic alarms. - That was a good tip. - So I bust the windows out with that gasoline, Molotov cocktail, fireworks, I'm out of there. - Insulin, right? - Old school, yeah. So I brought my brother with me 'cause we were just going to take some pictures, right? It was a day they opened and I get up there and they got the whole fucking, they got the trailer blocking the whole thing from the road. So I can't get any pictures, right? So I tell my brother, he's 18, I don't mind, dude. Here's 500 bucks. Go in there, tell him you wanna be a patient, you wanna get an MRI and then you wanna see the doctor, right? Pay whatever, here's 500 bucks, whatever you need, right? Go through the whole process and take pictures the whole time and then bring it out to me, right? He got all the way through to, he got the MRI, he got all that shit and then they noticed that he was 18 and they were like, no, you can't see the doctor 'cause you're not 21. So and then they wouldn't give him his money back, right? So I got all the pictures of the shit, right? So I call Chris and told him what was going, I'm 300 miles away, Chris is down in West Palm, he's actually in Boca, but don't. And I call him, I tell him what happened, I'm like, yeah, that's all done, I got all that shit [BLANK_AUDIO] like fuck that was motherfuckers, I'm coming up there. We're gonna go fucking beat their asses or whatever. I'm like Chris, I got my 18 year old college student probably with me dude, come on. And he's like, just wait for me. And I'm like, you're not gonna do anything stupid. He's like, no, I'm just gonna go talk to him seriously. I'm gonna see him, I got shit on them and I'm gonna make him see the light. So he got me and my brother like, go to the fucking mall. We're gonna watch a movie or something. It's like six hours, you know what I mean? Four hours, something like that. So he comes up and he brings one of his friends with him. And we meet up, have some wings and a couple beers and go over there and I tell my brother, take my car. Go park in the parking lot down the street. I'm gonna go with Chris, make sure nothing happens, you know? So we pull in to the parking lot and jump out of the car and Chris immediately sees that guy Pete. And he goes after him and he's fucking screaming at him, calling all kinds of names and you fucked me and this and that. And I'm like, I'm friends with Pete, you know what I mean? And I'm like, dude, you fucked up man. This guy, you're fucked now, you know what I mean? And Chris storms in and I'm like, I talked to Pete for a second and I walk up, I open the door, I walk in and I see this guy. He's got a, he's got like, you know those in the office, like the French door that, it's a table and he folded up, right? He's got one of those and he's got a gun on top of it. He's got a book and he's pointing it at Chris. And Chris is, yeah, I can't even tell what they're saying. And Chris is taking his watch off and he's like, about to climb over the counter at the guy and I'm like, oh shit, right? And I take like two steps and I hear, shh, right? And I'm like, what the fuck? I turn around and there's that kid Jason and he's got a fucking pistol and he's fucking shaking, right? And I'm like, don't. I'm gonna fucking take that from you and fucking beat you with it. And he fucking turned around and the other guy that was there that Chris bought, yellow something out about his aunt is PBSO, Palm Beach Sheriff's Office. He yells that out like as a distraction, right? And his kid fucking turns around and runs out. And he has a daughter, a two-year-old little daughter with him that he leaves with me. He had her with him and left him right at my feet. Left her, I'm sorry, right at my feet. And now I don't know, this kid Jason keeps saying that I call the cops, I don't call it, I didn't call the cops. Maybe the guy Chris that was with me did, I know that the office girls call the cops because that little baby, his baby, the mother was behind the counter, right? And I'm like, worried about the kid, right? 'Cause it's a middle of paying collectors, a bunch of junkies. There's guns being pointed, there's people about to fight. And I almost triple over this little baby. Like, I've been in some fucked up situations, right? But-- - High quality human beings. - Yes, these people-- - And I'm like, this is crazy. And I say, who's fucking kid is this? And the girl goes, that's my daughter like you care. And I'm like, dude, I wouldn't have said nothing if I didn't fucking care. And she call, I picked the kid up, and I'm like here. And she takes the kid and runs in the back. I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, dude. And now I see it's all calmed down with Chris and the other guy. And now they're like talking like adults. And they go into a back room. And I'm like, all right, I guess my job's done here. I'm getting the fuck out of here, right? I walk out the door and there's fucking cops everywhere. Fucking detectives, everything. They grab me. My brother comes walking around a corner like, what's going on? And the guys say, the guys from that clinic are like him too, him too. They grab my brother. They grab the other guy that I'm with. And then they go, that Chris brought up. They go in and grab Chris. They put us in four different cop cars. And they drive us in four different directions. North, southeast, and west. About, I don't know, two or three blocks away from the clinic. This is 5.30 in the afternoon. They left us like that in cop cars with the windows rolled down, you know, the cages on the back handcuffed till midnight, till midnight. And then they bring us back to the clinic. And now it's like, it's like there was a terrorist attack there, dude. There's cops crawling all over this fucking place, bro. And they're walking. I see one of them. He's obviously the head guy, right? And he's walking around. He's got something to his ear. And he's like, Jack, oh, come here. Listen to this. I'm watching him in a back car. I'm like, what is he doing? And it turns out Chris brought that recording device that he was pretending to be me. Oh, you stupid fuck. Dude, it was in his car and they found it and they listened to it. And it's him. Yeah, this is Derek Motherfucker. I'm going to fuck your wife for whatever you know what I mean. And they guy. That's not illegal. I'm like, what? I didn't know it at the time and find us out till later. I was just like, what is that? So they cops, they finally come over and they rip me out of the car. You're fucking Derek. Like, yeah, you fucking come all this way from West Palm Beach to extort our local fucking businesses. Fucking, I'm putting you under the jail. There's no bond. Fucking you're done. This is going to drag out forever. I was supposed to take my daughter to fucking Disneyland tomorrow, but I'm not because I'm going to be at your fucking bond here in the morning. You're a fucked all this shit and they arrested all four of us on fucking extortion charges. And Chris's phone was tapped by the feds at the time. So they're sending faxes back there, back then it was like faxes, the FBI's sending fat. I have all the faxes from it. Like telling them to arrest us and what charges, telling the Jacksonville PD what to do and all came up as evidence, you know what I mean later on. So you guys obviously beat those state charges. So what happened was we ended up, we hired all these spent 200 grand in lawyers that night while we were in jail. We didn't get before the judge until like two in the afternoon. We had our lawyers in the jail. Your first appearance is that one of the, it's like in a cell with a judge and a camera. And I could hear the detective back there with the judge like yelling at him, like telling them all the same things he told me and it, my lawyers are talking to the judge and the judge is like, "Ah, they didn't even know anything." They didn't have any, he's like, "I, what do you want me to do here? I don't know." So he came out and he set like ridiculous bonds. Like it was like a half a million between the four of us, right? And so we got out and like those guys, like I wouldn't, we got out with the ankle monitor and PPO's against all those Jacksonville guys. So we couldn't, the ankle monitor was to make sure that we didn't go within a mile of them, right? And it went on for a couple months and eventually it just got dropped and then the feds picked it up. So they, so they used that incident in your indictment, in your federal indictment. Yes, sir. Wow. That was more of the RICO predicates. They needed to build a RICO case against being in order to do that, you need certain predicates, right? So you guys definitely did some shit that didn't help, you know, we were going to get tattoos that set above the law at one point. Wow. Okay. So how long had they been building the, while they've been building the case, like five years, before we even started pink locks, they were building the case. So that's why it's like you guy, we spent millions of dollars prosecuting these guys. We'll find something like I was the last hold out before taking a plea bargain and I was going to go to trial because like I said, my name wasn't on anything, you know what I mean? And my lawyer was like, dude, everybody in this county, all the feds, everybody knows the George Brothers and you're synonymous with it, everybody hates them. You're guilty no matter what, you're fucked. You don't have a choice, but get the best fucking deal you can. Everybody, everybody had told them everybody, right? Well, the crazy part is it all turned on me. It became about Derek, right? Once Chris and Jeff took their plea bargains, then it all became about me. So like when we went to jail, like I had all these separaties against me from all the employees, low level people, all that stuff that I was talking to, right up till the time we got arrested, you know what I mean? And they had all like made up stories, crazy. I'll never say that I was fucking a saint or anything, but there were so many things in my PSI and in the 302s and all these things that just were totally not true. I told them I was like, listen, I'm cool with all this. I did, absolutely, I did all this, which is worse stuff, the stuff that I did, but all this little bullshit, like they put all these assault charges on me that for people that didn't even exist. Right. I'm like, well, how are you going to do that? And it was just, it was a nightmare going to prison with all these people, these supposed gangsters and all this stuff and you get to jail and they're in jail and all the they're a little, they need, they want attention. So they, and they want to separate themselves from the real bad guy, right? And they need, oh, I got heartburn. So I need this kind of Medicaid. Anything to talk to the doctors and try to get somebody to feel sorry for them, to try to get the prosecutors to feel sorry for them, telling stories. They, I beat up one of the guys in there. One of the guys that was telling on me and making up fake stories when we were in the county jail. I beat the shit out, well, I got him one time. And all the other people told on me, in jail, filed reports in jail to try to get more time off their sentence. Call it, it's called proactive, proactive cooperate. I, Matt found that out for me. When Matt was right, my synopsis, he did a, did some kind of freedom of information act. And he contacted the Palm Beach County Jail and they sent them the report and all the people that. And it was so blown out of portion. I hit the guy one time and he climbed on her table and I was trying to get to him and the cops came in. And you should have heard what all these people said that I did and all crazy. Putting their hand up. These were my, these people would do anything for me. I would do anything for them. I gave them jobs. I did all this stuff and all of a sudden, when it came down to it, like shenanigans. Throwing Chinese stars and throwing knives and fucking, I would buy cheap swords and make everybody have sword fights and fucking swords and shields and fuck around about a UFC cage. Like a half a cage, you know what I mean? And like, I ride everybody upstairs. We're fucking fighting today. Everybody was, it was fun for everybody. It wasn't a big deal. But then when the feds came, it was like, oh, he made me do that. That animal, he wanted to fucking kill me. He made me do all this shit. I'm like, what in the hell? The doctor saying, Derek made me do it under threat of violence. Made me write these scripts, under threats of violence. Come on, man. We were just at the fucking club. Yeah. For real. We're at the club, I'm sick. I totally believe you, dude. The system is built off lying, snitching and lying. You get the snitches to lie and then it gets, it forces you knowing you can't beat the feds to sign away and rinse or repeat. It's crazy. Crazy. Everybody turned. So how many, so hold on. So Chris, he signed for how long? Same thing, all of us signed for 20. And he ended up after his acceptance of responsibility and turning himself in and all that. He got 17 and a half. Jeff, same thing. We all got, it's called an 11c. Okay, you get, it's a maximum sentence. So Jeff got 20. And after all his shit, it went down to 15 years, eight months. Mine went from 20 to 14 with my acceptance because I had no criminal history. These guys both got fucking 15, 20 arrests, right? I didn't have nothing but traffic shit. Right. A U-turn got me an extra 17 months, a U-turn, illegal U-turn. And then what about the doctors? They all got sentenced to like 60 months. Then they cooperated. They tested, they got 5k ones. They testified, they got rule 35s. They got, I don't even know if they had time to do the drug program. They were all out within two years. Everybody else was out within two years. Chris's wife was out in 13 months, right? Chris's mom, everybody always says that Chris and Jeff told other mom, the feds, it's not true at all. The feds said to them, if you don't take a plea bargain, we're going to arrest your mother because you had money at her house. And we're going to charge her because she was like a corporate officer for like 24 hour period while they were finding somebody else, right? So that's what pushed them to say, okay, we'll take a plea if you leave my mom alone and they ended up fucking her anyway. They ended up, she did like 30 months. She did more than the doctors did for nothing. Chris's poor mother, 62 years old at the time, never even had a traffic violation. It's getting strip searched. Went to federal prison, dude, for 30 months. Did every fucking day of it? - Gangster. - And everybody says, all these fucking, you know, all these other idiots, everybody's got something to say. After we were gone, of course, the Jason's and all those guys, oh, they told on their own mother, it's not what happened at all. What happened was they said, if you take this plea bargain, we won't arrest your mother and then they turn around and fuck them again. And then they told them if they cooperated, that they would give them time off their sins and they cooperated and the judge said, "Fuck you, I'm not giving you any time off your sins." That's crazy. - Is that illegal? I feel like that's illegal. If you've signed to do a 51 C. - You say, I, no promises were made, right? They make any promises to you. We'll recommend to the judge. They recommend it to the judge that you give them time off. But they made such an asshole of themselves when they testified saying, yeah, I'm a gangster. This is what I do. Fuck you people, I don't care. The feds made everybody say that. - This. - And then the judge said, you're proud of what you did. You killed, this is what they did. They took all those files. Call it 30,000 files, right? Half those files didn't even have correct social security numbers, all that shit in them. They're people's fake files. They took all the social security numbers and information they could get out of those files and ran it through social security. And everybody that died, that was a patient, they said we killed. Right, it could have been a car accident, it could have been a shark attack. - If you believe that, if they actually believe that, you'd all be doing a lot of work. - But all they have to do is say it. Especially nowadays. All you have to do is say something and enough people hear it and it's truth. - Oh yeah, look at the politics. - Look at it. - What's going on? - All you have to do is say something. You could go and say a total lie. And people are dumb, first of all, and they want to believe that. People are mad about everything, right? And they want to believe that. They want to dislike you. And they'll believe just about anything. So here's the thing that I issue that I had with them before the trial, before anything. The news, the local news had hidden undercover footage of me from undercover agents recording me and they released that to the news, right? So that could be taken totally out of context. - Well, yeah, that's swaying the jury. It's completely-- - Absolutely. Years before any trial, before any plea bars, anything, they release, and I said to that FBI, the lady, Jennifer Turner, how, why did you do that? Why would you do that? What the fuck? And she said, I didn't do that. We didn't do that. I said, well, how did that's FBI agent pretending to be a patient, videotaping me? And then on top of it, when they play along the news, say, clinic run by white supremacist Derek Nolan. - What do they say that? - Not a white supremacist, dude. - I mean, if you could have gone to trial, maybe you could have got that motion to suppress, you know? But you are going to trial at this point. - I was for, I held that for about 18 months, and then I was like, fuck it. And, you know, there was initial talk of that by the time everything came through, with all your good time. I'd get a drug program, all that cooperation. If I ended up cooperating, all the stuff, I was gonna be out in like five years, right? That's what it, that's when I was like, okay, I'll do that. I said, I'll tell you what, under 10, and I'll take it, right? And yeah, the day of my, the day of my sentencing, they changed it. The day of my sentencing. - Wait a minute, AUSA? - Yes, so I pled guilty to the Rico charge. So you got, it's, everything with the feds is like a fucking ceremony, right? So, like everything has a sign of plea bargaining, it's a fucking court appearance, and all this shit, it's a half an hour long, and then you change your plea. And then this and that, and so I did all that, and I never knew, it was, they didn't tell me what the predicates were, okay? Only thing that I got, what I signed, was what's called a stipulated statement of facts. It's me pleading guilty to a racketeering charge, and it's a broad statement. And my name was only in it a couple of times, it just outlines the general process that went on during this organized crime syndicate, what went on, how it started, what went on, what each other's roles were. So I didn't find out until the day of my sentencing that my predicates were kidnapping, extortion. How the fuck is that legal? And they came in and said, all right, they told me originally it was all verbal, right? You sign this and they were like, your sentence is going to be between 89 and 100 months, 89 and 109 months. That's what your sense is going to be. And then that's your guidelines, right? And then you're going to get three points off for acceptance and responsibility. And then you're going to get, you turn yourself in. It's going to get a point off for that, right? And then you're going to get a drug program. And you're just going to go to a federal prison camp. You're not going to have to go to a FCI or you're not going to have to go to a penitentiary and all that shit. And I was like, okay, cool. I went to the sentencing hearing and there was other people getting sentenced that day. And those people, on the same case, those people had separaties against me, personal protection orders against me. I didn't even know it, right? So these are the guys that are saying it was him. I feel bad for me. I'm a victim, right? The guy that gave me a job and bought me clothes and took me on vacation into the UFC fights. He made me do all this stuff, right? Who got me laid and took it and did this, you know, he made me do that. So I get there and they're waiting out. The FPI and the ASU are waiting outside the courtroom and they're like, Derek, you can't come in there. Those guys got a personal protection orders against you. Come with us and they took me in a room with my attorney and they're like, listen, new stuff has come up and they handed me a bunch of 302s, a stack about this big of all violence, all the people who I supposedly committed by someone more real, you know what I mean? But embellished, right? They handed this stack to me and they're like, no more, no more, you're not any, any longer a level 30 starting at a level 33. You're now starting at a level 42. And we can, because this is just coming about now, we can pull it and we can get set for trial or we're going to give you a few minutes to decide what you want to do or we can move forward. And I sat there with my lawyer like, what the fuck? This is crazy. This is nuts. And we went in there and the probation department had a problem with me. You have to meet with the probation department to do your PSI. And it just went really, really bad from the beginning. Me and the lady were like bickering back and forth. I failed the drug test. You're all this shit. So as she was demanding that I get more time, then the, we got it down to 151 months. And she demanded another 17 months because of the traffic violations and not taking full, being could try it enough and taking full acceptance or responsibility. So it total, total came out to how many? 168 months. And you did 10 and a half. I did 10 flat. Inside. I did a month, six weeks and a half way house. I did five months for the little ankle monitors and two years of probation. And we're going to switch over to the Patreon now to talk about prison and how our good friend, the very short Matthew Cox, little pipsquake. He got four years knocked off your sentence. Absolutely. In an afternoon. Wow. What an odyssey. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for being so candid and honest. Absolutely. Man. Thanks for having me. Yeah. You know, you just, you were involved in a piece of American history. Nitoriously. Yeah. As my aunts and uncles would say, why couldn't you just done something good? We know you could have. You were doing good. Yeah. I was making it. Well, you're good. You're married now. You got two kids. Yep. That's beautiful thing. Are you a good husband? Yeah. I'm a good husband. Better father than I am husband probably. I'm still a little. I don't. I'm not. I'm kind of angry person. So I yell a lot stuff. So I need to work on that. Are you a better husband than your father was? I hope so. I haven't killed anybody yet. Let's keep it that way. All right, switch over to patreon.com/thekadexshow for a little more with Derek Nolan. Derek, thanks buddy. Thanks, man. You got it.