“He HATES America!” James Carville vs Hasan Piker & Tucker vs Trump With Vinnie Oshana

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When you say stupid shit, like, America, there's no 9-11, and AOC yesterday was like, yeah, but he said he's sorry. Nonsense. He said about four dumb things out of, I don't know, 10, 20, 30,000 hours on air. He dresses up like Mao Zedong, like that's his hero, cosplaying a freaking mass murderer. Brother, you know that I love and respect you, Jenksa. You gotta understand, dude, that's freaking concerning for people. People like James Carville say, oh, I'm excited, and we got talent. Talent, my ass. Abdul El-Sayed overcame an AIPAC-funded onslaught to become a Democratic candidate for the Senate. He's now facing a Trump-sized onslaught from Republicans who want him to be the face of the movement seeking to kick them out of office. Well, the president posted this image of himself with Melania beside a photo of El-Sayed and his wife, which pointedly used his full name in a caption of two very different Americas. Yeah, he's right. One in which your overlords are two people who don't like each other, joint in the interest of making billions of dollars off of you, or two people who genuinely love each other, enjoyed some pancakes together, want to come together to build the kind of America where they can raise a family and know that that family's going to have the good things. So, yes, you've got two different visions of America. Donald Trump's vision is the one you're living in right now. Can you afford your gas? Can you afford your groceries? Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace went further, posting that every Muslim holding public office is a Trojan horse and a threat to national security. She was asked to clarify her comments this weekend, but doubled down by suggesting Democratic communists will one day force American girls to wear hijabs. I am deeply concerned about Michigan Democrats nominating a guy hanging out with a Son Piker who said America deserved 9-11, who has a framed photo of the Twin Towers. Which he's responded to and says he regrets those comments. But, yes, keep going. Yeah, but, I mean, this is who he's hanging out with, this kind of person. This is a person who's promoting, you know, communist ideology. This is not something. America's not built on those values. And in the future, when our granddaughters are wearing burqas to school, we're going to look back and say. There's no indication that that is happening on a wide basis. Well, barely an hour passes on cable news at the moment without a reference to Hassan Piker, whose fruity photo shoot is plastered across Rolling Stone magazine this week. El-Sayed was asked to condemn Hassan Piker's infamous 9-11 comments, which he made. During a long rant about US foreign policy disasters almost seven years ago. Of course. Of course it was a dumb statement. And, of course, I think Hassan himself would say that was a dumb statement. He disavowed it. So, yes, America didn't deserve 9-11. But, you know, to sit here and play gotcha politics with a dumb thing somebody said out of context that they disavowed themselves to say, oh, well, what does that mean about what you think? I want to be held accountable for what I say and what I do rather than this idea that we're so stuck in cancel culture that we're going to be held accountable for what I say and what I do. All of us agreed it was a bad idea back in 2020, but we seem to want to bring it back. President Trump was praised in 2024 for building a broad coalition and recruiting the so-called podcast bros in the process. Anybody was welcome. He dined at Mar-a-Lago with Kanye and Nick Fuentes. Whether Democrats have a stomach for the same kind of strategy is unclear. And the reason all this is consuming so much energy is that both parties are fighting over not only the crucial midterm elections, but the shape of their campaigns for the presidency. Will Tucker Carlson. Will Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene define what comes next for MAGA? Or will it be Mark Levin and Ted Cruz? Will Mamdani, AOC and Hassan Paika be the face of the new Democrats? Or is it still the party of Clinton, Obama and James Carville? Well, we'll debate all of this and more in a moment. But we begin with the great James Carville, veteran Democratic strategist and host of the Politics War Room podcast. James, welcome back to Uncensored. Thank you. Thank you. It's good to be back on the show, Piers. Is the Democratic Party, is it losing itself and therefore people like you? I don't think so. I mean, we have an idiotic wing of the party that embraced what I would call, based on what you guessed the last second, an extinction-level stupidity and wokeness. But thank God that it seems that Al-Saeed is beyond that. Thank God. Welcome to the fold, sir. And we had this little unpleasant chapter that was embraced by really stupid people, some who identify with the Democratic Party that has been squished and is now part of history. And we should keep it that way. When I look at people like Mamdani and Al-Saeed, I mean, these are very charismatic guys. They're bursting with youthful vibrancy. They appear to be reasonably pragmatic. But at their heart, you would probably categorize them historically as socialists. And I guess the big-picture question is whether these kind of people, AOC, Tbilisi and others, whether they can drive success at a local level, at a midterm level, but can they actually win, with their ideology, a general election? Well, first of all, AOC, a very bright person, has rejected this and declared woke as dead. So be very careful with praise out here for the kind of praise you need. Look, people claim the mandamin of New York is sort of working on the mandamin. I don't know, but I've lived there. But the day-to-day life of the city seems to be going on. He seems to be a very articulate guy. I don't know. You know, Milwaukee had a socialist mayor back in the 20s or 30s for 16 years. And apparently the guy was a good mayor. But in terms of what al-Said is, I suspect his cultural politics is somewhat to the left of me, but not seen to be a whole lot. And, you know, economically, we're going to have to have some pretty aggressive measures here. I don't know if you call it socialism or anything like that, but we're going to have to be very aggressive going forward in extracting more taxes from wealth and helping middle-class people and younger people try to get a better break in life. I don't know if you call that socialism. I call it common sense. You hit the headlines with your comments about Hassan Paikin. For those who didn't see them, let's take a look. I am not going to be in the same party with Hassan Paikin. I can tell you that right now. If he becomes a force in the Democratic Party, I'm out of here. I have no intention of ever being in the same political party with that guy. Now, I think that a majority, overwhelming majority of Democrats agree with me. Now, Paikin, respond to this. Let's take a look. Now, James Carville's talking about leaving the party. We got John Fetterman, James Carville, fantasizing about leaving the party. He said one smart thing once, which he seems to have forgotten, which is, it's the economy, stupid. Oh, would that, yeah. I'm like, buddy, is the economy stupid? Like, you wonder why people are pissed off you've got these. Okay, so both parties take money from all the same people, to do all the same errands when they get elected, and then no one can afford shit, and then we wonder why everyone's mad. Now, I certainly think that your range of accurate comments over the last few decades extends past one comment, Mr. Carville, but let's listen to what Bernie Sanders had to say about this. So when someone like James Carville says he doesn't want to be in the same political party as the Democrats, he doesn't want to be in the same political party as the Democrats. He doesn't want to be in the same political party as the Democrats. Afghanistan, all the other places I've worked. around the world i i but i i if you respond to stupid people all you'll be doing is being as stupid as they are so let's continue to have the panel discussion let's discuss why no one discusses james carville because that seems to be the number one topic on the left well it's a very good point uh because they're all talking well it is it is funny and you make a very good point but you know i think the point i would make is obviously not just hassan piker you've got people like el said you've got bernie sanders or all reigning in behind him so when you said you're not going to be in the same party with hassan piker you know people might look at that and say well actually it's not just him there are many people that support hassan piker so you know is is really your position you can't be in the party with any of these guys so so let me back up bernie sanders are roughly the same age he's a little bit older than me i am of the two bernie says james carville there's one that's been a democrat his entire adult life and his name is not bernie sanders so let's dispense of that nonsense right now is i don't know if these p i don't know that he's a democrat most of these dsa types can't stand the democrats in fact al saeed himself has said the democrats is much of a problem mr republicans which i disagree with but when i look at him and i look at mike rogers who's a lacking for the entire pharmaceutical industry who's an election denier i'm gonna take elsaid every time would i would i would i take him in a vacuum probably not but against a a clown like rogers who who is an election denier running for the united states in the year 2026 who has never at once opposed the interest of big pharma yeah i'm gonna be fell safe summer is almost upon us and if you're not completely satisfied with your beach body my condolences that must be hard for you it's not just because you're watching the world cup and drinking beer once men hit their 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big issues facing the party is how much of a problem is there in the world of israel that you said this this week and i want to just just go over it again with you once you hear it again there's no place any place for criticism of the government of israel in a democratic party there's no place for anti-semitism but if you want to be anti-semitic go from your party i i am a full supporter of the right of a jewish state on the eastern mediterranean i think the only way to have that is you have to have a correspondent in philly recognized you you have to have security zones you have to have massive aid to the palestinian state and we got to have peace and not war now i can't stand netanyahu and the big change that i've seen in israel is they used to actually try to get people to like them don't do that more and i i detest the settlements all right and i i would love to see policy changes in the government of israel but i i am a firm believer in the state of israel now now these comments james also blew up particularly about your opening line there there's no place for any place for criticism of the government of israel in the democratic party donnie o'sullivan from cnn who interviewed you thought you may have misspoken there what did you actually mean did you mean that you shouldn't be able to criticize the israeli government for example well if if if that were the case i would have to resign from the party i don't know i would it'd be hard i guess that people had more more critical of israeli policies rather government than me but stand in line i tried to beat the same government fact succeeded in the in the turn of this century so i i don't know what i i came out but it's pretty clear over a lifetime what my view is i support the right of the state of israel to exist i am appalled by the policies of the current government of israel i can't be any more clear than that but i don't know how something came out but it's pretty pretty consistent my whole life and thank you for running that so actually people get some context of what i think yeah i know well i i i think i knew what you were trying to say and i do know your history of what you said about it i share your i share your view i absolutely believe in israel's right to exist in the state of israel but i also uh abhor a lot of the stuff that this current israeli government is doing um when you say there's no place for anti-semitism i completely agree with you uh but many people who are big supporters of this israeli government and netanyahu they often try and reframe criticism of netanyahu or the government into anti-semitism what do you feel about that that creeping trend well first of all about if i'm looking at the polls maybe half of the jews in israel are voting against this government so i don't think that half the jews that live in the state of israel are anti-semites so we must look for another explanation because that one certainly doesn't know water yet and that's the easiest thing in the world is to just go around calling people and it is any of that and you know when you are you would know this because you're in the public eye sometimes you just gotta shrug it off it's just it's just part of what it what it what it takes but going forward i must suspect there's going to be a different government in israel come i think it's october 27th this year please sorry uh in you know maybe we will have some different policies my my problem with people are not the people that criticize the government israel i have no problem when you criticize jewish people then you gotta then i got a problem with you that's that's different i'm i don't know i'm irish they criticize the government of ireland they probably criticized all themselves over there but you got to make the distinction between the regime and the people and never confuse the people with today i would like but with few iranian people i know they're very industrious they're very hard working and very family-oriented people i like them i don't don't like the regime but that's a different thing yeah yeah i just want to end with with some predictions from you james um holly market uh their predictions for the democratic presidential nominee 2028 have gavin newsom out front on 18 john ossos follows on 16 interestingly very close to newsom aoc on 15 carmela harris on eight percent first of all what do you think is going to happen in the midterms and then i'll come to the the wider generation right now and i was subject to change i think the democrats win the house easily and i think they win the senate and i don't think it's going to be particularly close and i don't see anything any evidence that says that i shouldn't have that position if i see evidence to the contrary but i'm not the other thing period let me be very clear i'm not very good at predicting elections that that's not kind of what i that that's not my i don't think the best in nba coach is that good at predicting who the champion is going to be but uh but i don't know and i would always just add it early polling and presidential nominating process tends to be relatively useless i mean their front runner may win but that generally doesn't happen i mean you're quite good at predicting elections because i lost quite a big bet to you and i still haven't settled that debt with you you may remember i think it was in virginia so we are we're going to scott so i think i owe you a thousand pound dinner which i will honor next time you're in london when i'm there um let's just turn quickly to the general election then 2028 newsom still out front ossoff right on his tail aoc and then kamala do you see any world in which kamala harris becomes the nominee again and if it's not going to be her who would you personally like to see based on who's there at the moment coming to to the fore well certainly she runs if she wants to run she should run uh she has a feeling that even though she got the nomination too late and biden some people have been critical and now if you run and you start and barry this field is going to be so talented i can't wait and i this is one of these things where i actually just want to watch because i don't think that people sufficiently understand the level of talent in today's democratic party particularly at the potential presidential level and boy you would have to be really foolish to try to get out ahead of this because you know once they start competing they're not going to win because they're not going to win because they're not going to compete and then once you start seeing them on these forums and town halls all over south carolina or new hampshire nevada or michigan or wherever it is you People will start forming opinions, and I can't wait for people to see this. And I'm like anybody else. I'm going to get my bag of popcorn and watch this thing because there's going to be some real talent out there, real talent. We're about to have a panel, James, including Cenk Uygur, who posted on X this week. Is there anyone doing more damage to the Democratic brand right now than James Carville? He's out there on every network screaming like a banshee about how extreme Democrats are. Why? Because he's bitter that the pro-corporate, pro-Israel wing of the party isn't getting its way. What would you like to say to Mr. Uygur before we turn to the panel? Ah, you know, opinions at the Marine Corps would say, opinions are like noses. I didn't say noses, but I'm not going to say the word. Everybody's got one. You got one. I got one. The whole world, everybody got an opinion. Oh, God, sure, got an opinion. Some opinions are better than others, but that's okay. I guess that comes into territory. I'm used to it. And let's have another panel discussion on why no one talks about James Carville anymore. James Carville, great to have you back on Uncensored. Thank you very much. See you, Scott. Thank you, man. Joining me on the panel is Cenk Uygur, the founder and CEO of the Young Turks, Dave Smith, host of Part of the Problem, Vinny Ashana from the PBD podcast Angry Patriot, and Cenk Uygur, the founder and CEO of the Young Turks, and Vinny Ashana from the PBD podcast Angry Patriot, and Lindy Lee, the former DNC fundraiser and author of Unburdened. Well, welcome to all of you. So, Cenk Uygur, I think the exact phrase Mr. Carville was trying to gentlemanly avoid saying is, everyone's got an asshole, so, you know, we're all entitled to our opinions. What do you want to say to him? I mean, he's gone, but what would you have said to him? I mean, it's interesting to me about Israel, for example. He was pretty clear. He supports Israel's right to exist, and he supports Israel, but he absolutely does not support this current Israeli government or many of their actions. So, I'm not quite sure why you think that makes him the enemy to you. There's a couple of things there, Piers. First of all, he's on every network. So, he's all over television, including this one now. You know, he was much, much better today. But earlier, what he was saying is basically the Democrats are extreme, and it's a nonsensical point of view. It's so nonsensical, he kind of defied it today. And he's the one that was laying out ultimatums about who gets to be in the party and who doesn't, and that's absurd. So, now, look, there's a great irony here, because in terms of those social issues, my position is actually very close to James Carville's. In fact, me and my co-host, Anna Kasparian, were the ones who debated people on our left who wanted to abolish prisons about two years ago. So, we were on top of this, and we didn't want this to be, you know, something that the Democratic Party is known for at all. We thought it was a terrible idea, and in those debates, we told people, look, you guys are the only 13 people in the country who believe this nonsense. Stop pretending that you represent Democrats. But now, I would say the same exact thing to James Carville, which is stop pretending that you represent all Democrats. You just don't. We have a wide range of opinions. So, I don't think you should abolish prisons. I think that's mental. But good news, 99.8% of Democratic voters agree with me. By the way, 99.8% of Democratic politicians agree with me, right? So, some people in the party don't, right? So, Hasan Piker is my nephew. On Thanksgiving, we do these epic three, four-hour debates called Jenksgiving. Sometimes we do it throughout the year. And we're both in the same party, and we have these brawls about where the Democrats should be. So what? Why does James Carville want to cancel anyone inside our own party? That doesn't make any sense. We want a broader tent. And if a couple of people got elected that believe in extreme things, and, you know what, there's 520-some-odd Congress people who believe in super extreme things, like we should hand over American sovereignty to a tiny little irrelevant country named Israel. They believe in giving trillions of dollars in our money to pork barrel projects in the Pentagon. And they give $35 billion in oil subsidies away. Those are the establishment Democrats that James Carville loves. And they're a disaster. But they're still in our party, and we still try to head it. And they're in the same direction. If we canceled everyone based on not agreeing with us 100%, well, then we'd have no party left. I say that to my friends on the left, and I say that to my friends on the right. So let's stay focused. And there's a super easy answer to which direction the Democratic Party should go. There's a wing of the party that is enormously popular, but almost never gets talked about, and that is not an accident. The mainstream media agrees with right-wing media in this issue. They want to try to make the left, unpopular because of our stance against Israel, right? So I believe they're in cahoots. And they are purposely ignoring the most popular wing, which is the populist left, represented roughly by Ro Khanna. But by the way, Abdul El-Said has almost, I don't want to, you know, smear him here, but he has almost identical positions to me. And I would say very, very similar to Ro Khanna, and that's why he's endorsed by him. And what do we want? We want the most popular things in the world. We want universal health care, which almost every other nation has. We want higher wages. We want to be able to negotiate drug prices. We want lower housing prices, and end all the wars, and get money out of politics. Every one of these polls at over 67%. So I have a genuinely unique idea for the Democratic Party. Why don't we run on our most popular policies, and all get united behind those? One of the problems you've got, and I'll come to Vinny to respond to this, because you've been quite strong on this, Vinny, but Rolling Stone's just published a feature on your nephew, Hassan Paika. Headline, Why is everyone scared of Hassan Paika? It reads, a self-described Marxist with an NSF MS Now vocabulary. He's become famous as a peddler of incendiary takes, not so much moving the Overton window as throwing a brick through it. Among his greatest hits, America deserved 9-11. There's a lot we can learn from the Chinese Communist Party. Let the streets soak in red capitalist blood, most of which he'd later walk back if not apologize for. It goes on, a matinee handsome progressive icon who's uniquely talented at translating radical left politics for the kind of Gen Z bros. And the accompanying photo shoot has a picture of him on a motorbike and by a pool looking like a movie star. And the problem with this, I think, Cenk, is that when a lot of Americans see quotes like America deserved 9-11, and they've been regurgitated because of Hassan's rising profile, and they say there's a lot we can learn from the Chinese Communist Party, and let the streets soak in red capitalist blood, they see these quotes come back, and they think this guy is very extreme. And they believe they have a right to be fearful of people like him becoming the faces of the Democrat Party. Before I go to Vinny to talk about that, what would you say in his defense? Yeah, look, we are all on the air for literally tens of thousands of hours. So I've debated Hassan a lot of this stuff, and he can't do anything about it. He comes from the more, you know, I don't know what word to ever put on it, radical left, max left, whatever it is, right? But again, I'm in favor of Big Ten. And I come from the populist left. So there are some things that are just, you misspeak, and it happens. And he said about four dumb things out of, I don't know, 10, 20, 30,000 hours on air, which, you know, you want to disagree with those? Good news, he also disagrees with those. In fact, the 9-11 comment, he came on the Young Turks to write, and he tried afterwards and disavowed it. So people are trying to make it seem like he still believes it when he disavowed it instantly. Now, if you want to get into a real substantive debate about, hey, where on the socialism, communism, capitalism spectrum we should be, great. I mean, Hassan and I have had that debate for hours and hours. That's at least substantive. We used to do something called agitprop for our members on the Young Turks, where Hassan and I would only debate those kind of economic issues. So that's a legitimate debate. But going back and nitpicking each comment, come on. Vinny, you and I have also said things we probably wish we hadn't said. All right, well, Vinny, your response. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, with all due respect, I have so many things to say, Piers, and thank you for having me on. I miss you. I've been gone for a while. But I keep hearing this big tent Democratic Party. And you know what? The majority that's inside these tents are freaking clowns. So, Cenk, you're having these Cenk's giving whatever. I've said crazy stuff. You know what I've never said, Cenk, in my entire life? America deserved America. Americans, over 3,000, dying, burning to death, and jumping to their freaking death. And there's no excuse for that. Cenk, I don't care. I've never said anything, and I'm pretty sure you've never said anything remotely to that. So you have these Cenk's giving dinners. Do you ever talk to them about this? About the saying, you know, kill them, kill those mother effers, and those mother effers, let the streets soak in their effing blood. If you cared about Medicare, or Medicare fraud, kill Rick Scott. My nephew, who's five years old, said the F word, and my brother called me up, and I told him off. Like, as a child, but in a respectful way, I said, don't you ever use bad words, and don't do that. I'm curious, in these little dinners, you're not talking to him about that? Cenk, to say that as a New Yorker, and how embarrassed and how ashamed I am that these people like AOC are like, no, yeah, he said he's sorry. There's some things, peers, that you can say you're sorry for, that deep down inside, you're saying that he's over it. He just removed one of the photos he has in his stream room, "So don't give me this, he forgot." But you know how we got to this point, peers, populists whatever all these hasans and everything is because people like james carville for the past 10 years all it's been is trump trump is hitler we're nazis we're deplorables and now when the tds dust has settled look who they're left with look who they're left with the aocs the mamdani's the l l abdul whatever the hell his name is that want to abolish ice they want to defund the police they want open borders and when you mention the save act it's racist how dare you ask people to prove that they're here because kamala harris and the biden administration left the border open for four years on purpose and this is it okay so i'm sorry but i'm not sorry when you say stupid shit like america discern 9-11 and aoc yesterday was like yeah but he said he's sorry nonsense he's not sorry because he believes that he says he's not patriotic he dresses up like mao zedong like that's his you hero cosplaying a freaking mass murderer it's a joke it's a joke and people like james carville saying oh we got i'm excited and we got talent gavin newsom is your number one aoc's number two and kamala's number three talent my ass beers and i'm sorry for cussing but this it drives me crazy that's the democratic party for you benny i've missed you too uh love i love the passion i love dave smith welcome back to you welcome back to welcome back to us as a day smith hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save can i address that truly i gotta say i've got to say it is a fascinating time for people like me that love american politics who are not actually american because on the right you have this enormous split between the tucker carlson side marjorie taylor green and thomas massey and others and the rest of the maga crowd and on the left you have this enormous split now between the mamdani's the al-sayed's the aoc's and the more mainstream democratic party and you know i i would i would really largely agree with i think both jank and vinnie's crit uh critiques of the establishment of the democratic party and it's just so obvious to me and it's it's amazing to watch an interview with james carville where he talks about how like oh why are people embracing the democratic party and it's just so obvious to me and it's it's amazing to see that they're embracing wokeism or why are they embracing democratic socialism or or anti-israel feeling and as if we're supposed to ignore what the democratic establishment's been doing this entire time which was what i mean all through the obama years embracing and expanding george w bush's failed war on terrorism uh giving us record high government spending record low artificial interest rates which created a cocktail that was just a gift to wall street it was nothing but bailouts to the politically connected and to wall street as vinnie pointed out they had the open borders they went all the establishment of the democratic party back to back to back went all in on russiagate the lockdowns and the covid vax and got all of them completely wrong while smearing the rest of the country for not buying into it i mean just everything the war in ukraine they went all in got the whole thing completely right i mean like so obviously the wind is at the back of everyone who just simply opposed the genocide in gaza or just simply opposed the open borders or just like this is where all the energy is now but i got the open borders and i got the open borders and i got to say i i really find a lot lacking in kind of jenks broad defense of a lot of this stuff look there is something so inherently dishonest about this entire democratic socialist movement starting with the fact that bernie sanders who first popularized it is not a democratic socialist and doesn't even know what democratic socialism means i mean jank you must have seen when he was on bill maher's show what was it last year a little over that and they asked him about the difference his position between equality versus equity he had never heard the terms before he was completely deer in the head like did not how does anyone live in this world and not have a thought it's like if you asked me about the non-aggression principle and i hadn't heard of it what are you talking this is your entire life's work bernie sanders claims to be a democratic socialist runs as essentially a welfarist we should have a higher minimum wage and and universal health care well that's basically just being a liberal democrat but then he uses the term where professor richard wolf and bhaskar sankara they'll tell you that they mean revolution democratizing the entire workplace outlawing all of it and that's what's going on in the world right now so that's what's going on in the world right now so that's what's going on in the world right now so that's what's going on in the world employers well hey you're so now these guys don't run as revolutionaries they run as hey we're just talking about the unaffordability crisis but they use the term democratic socialist it's inherent and and look i'll just say this it's an extension of the dishonest thing that liberals and leftists have always done which is that you frame the debate as whether we want free stuff or not you frame the debate as whether you believe in free health care free education when of course my seven-year-old could understand that there's no such thing as free healthcare and free education when of course my seven-year-old could understand that there's no such thing as free anything as long as doctors are getting paid and teachers are getting paid and construction workers are getting paid someone's paying for it the debate is over whether you think that the violence of the state ought to be used to confiscate your wealth through taxation and then bureaucrats and politicians will decide how to give it back to you or you believe in a free market system but as soon as you start going to this free healthcare free education well then why shouldn't the democratic socialist run to the left of james carville and say i'm for more free stuff i'm for all the free stuff you're for plus a whole lot more free stuff the bottom line here is that anybody who thinks we need more government has lost the plot the federal government's about to spend seven and a half trillion dollars this year we are going bankrupt it is infantile for us to be having conversations about what more government programs we should be giving out to people right now we're destroying the dollar trying to keep up with the entitlements in the warfare state that we cannot afford right now you had your breakfast this morning did you well you know vinnie said he missed you and then i missed vinnie and i got going lindy lee uh welcome back to to uncensored and congrats on your book um a very interesting comment from aoc in which she talked about what she called woke one let's take a look abolished prisons abolished police which is also positions that have been taken by a lot of the progressive candidates who have won how do you how do you get around that yeah those are not positions that are supported by right i mean i think that a lot of these races even right now they'll have a tendency to be nationalized yeah but these races ultimately are local and all politics are local my understanding is that um is is that francesca hong has made clear her present stances to her she's moved away from right she's moved away from it and i have a local city council i have a local city council i have a local city council that has this uh uh saying woke one was crazy now you know apart from the the sort of breathtaking audacity of of saying woke one was crazy she was one of the biggest protagonists of woke one and all that embraced right she was the absolute face of woke one progressive left but also lindy i don't see a lot of difference between woke one and woke two you know i wrote a book last year called woke is dead but i made the point it's not actually dead it's not actually dead it's not actually dead yet but i felt like the pendulum was swinging the right way and then you have as a backdrop to what she was saying this week this absolute farce in the wmba uh where you have one of the players sophie cunningham saying what most people think which is that it's unfair for biological males to compete against women in sport and particularly in basketball that relies on power and strength and so on um and you've now got two former male basketball players and you've now got two former women basketball players and you've now got two former men and you've now got two former men and it's canter freedom and royce white announcing they're going to enter the 2027 wmba draft now they're doing it for quite a smart reason they're testing how far this mindset is going to go right are they actually going to be allowed to enter the draft or are they going to be banned because they are men which of course is the very argument that sophie cunningham has been laying out as what should happen anyway um so you know wokeism is alive and well but the distinction between woke one and woke two is pretty well lost on me um where do you think we are with this because you can see an absolute split between the hard progressive left these democratic socialists as they call themselves now and people like james carville trying to maintain some kind of middle ground order common sense to the party you were in the democrat party you know right around the top players what do you feel about what's happening here it's the same thing with socialism pierce socialism and democratic socialism is still socialism is just better branding same with woke one and woke 2.0 and i think it's so rich that she has a gumption to actually say oh woke one is crazy but she was on the progenitors of this movement that gave us cancel culture that gave us biological denialism that said that biological men should be able to hijack women and girls sports should be able to basically sabotage the futures of women and girls and i think it's so rich that she has a gumption to actually say oh woke one is crazy but she was on the progenitors of this movement that gave us biological denialism that said that biological men should be able to hijack women and girls sports should be able to hijack women and girls sports should be able to hijack women and girls and pierce thank you for the congrats on my book you're in it you made a huge difference especially two years ago when i first left this this crazy party. The same party, by the way, that now includes the DSA, whose constitution, and this is not hyperbole because it's written in their constitution, they want to abolish the United States Senate, the presidency, the Supreme Court. Not only that, they also want to grant amnesty to tens of millions of illegal aliens in our country. They also want to abolish America's borders. Well, guess what? If we don't have borders, we don't have a country. Sovereignty is so important. I don't want to be a globalist country. And we saw what happened with Spain just a few weeks ago. Tens of thousands of migrants poured in. I don't want America looking like Spain. We can do better than that. And it's absolutely unconscionable for somebody to say that America deserved 9-11. I was a kid. I remembered what happened on 9-11. He might have, he is not sorry he said that. He's only sorry he got caught. It's his true belief. It's what's in his heart. And there are millions of Americans. You guys are making things up. He's only sorry because it's his true belief. Sorry, but you are. You're making things up. No, Cenk, you have to stick up for him because that's your nephew. Let her finish. Don't, don't, I know you have to stick up for him because he's your nephew, he's your blood, but don't, don't, a guy that hates America like that, don't do it. Let her finish, please. Cenk, I didn't interrupt you. But she's making things up. Go ahead, keep making things up. He literally said it. I didn't put the words into his mouth. You don't know it. He was an adult, he was an adult. You said those words. You should be held responsible. This is the same, this is the same party that espouses cancel culture, but suddenly for Hassan Piker, we've just given the pass. Why? Yeah, but it was a stupid thing to say. It was a stupid thing to say. He's acknowledged it was a stupid thing to say. And as soon as all those democratic establishments run everybody out who said Gaza deserved what they got after October 7th, then we could talk. You know, people say stupid things like this all the time. So there's so much to take on Hassan. I just like, why just harp on this one, dumb thing that he said. Look, more recently, this is what's, yes, that's my point. Yeah, but you're harping on a bad one. But you're, okay, I'm gonna make your, hold on, hold on, I'm gonna make your point better than you. Just let me do, hold on, hold on, hold on. Instead of, oh my God, instead of cutting me off, just let me make the point better than you. Cenk, he is on record though, quite openly, when he discusses Mao Zedong, he goes, yeah, man, I mean, there were some excesses, absolutely. Like, I don't think he should, but hey, he industrialized China and all this. And, and I got to say, brother, you know that I love and respect you, Cenk. So you got to understand, dude, that's freaking concerning for people. You know, the fact that these types, whatever you want to call it, the left maximalist types, if they were to look at the industrial revolution in England or in the United States of America, they have nothing to say except for exploitation, capitalist wage theft, grueling labor conditions. But when it comes to Mao Zedong, who's slaughtering people by the tens of millions, starting to pointing guns at people's heads and forcing them off of farms, into factories, we go, well, hey, man, I mean, he did build a factory at the end of that. I'm sorry, dude, but like, if someone was talking about Adolf Hitler that way, you would immediately have alarm bells going off, going like, whoa, what? And this is a thing that people are creeped out about. There's something in Mamdani, there's something in a lot of these guys where, why do I see a video from you five years ago and you have a thick African accent? Why were you a completely different person a few years ago? What's going on here? It's a reasonable question for people to ask. I have to say this. I'm sorry, I have to say this. Cenk, you know who else Mao Zedong murdered? He murdered my great-grandfather in cold blood because he had the bravery to actually stand up for his people. He's the worst person who ever lived. Mao Zedong is the worst mass murderer who ever lived. He murdered my family and countless other people, tens of millions. In fact, he has more blood on his hands than Hitler and Stalin. This is the guy that he murdered. This is what he did. Lindy, you're supposed to be cool with it because he's going to say he's sorry. And Lindy, forget about her. Forget about her because just because he dresses like her, like Mao Zedong goes to China. Yeah, let him, let him. It's okay because he says he's sorry, Lindy. It's okay. Just get over it is the attitude. Go ahead. Go ahead, Cenk. Tell us that we should get over it. Go ahead. All right. So now I hope I have enough time to address all three of them. So first off, we get this, Hasan and I get this all the time. You know, why did your nephew say this? Why did your uncle say this? Well, if we agreed on everything, we wouldn't debate for three or four hours, right? So, okay, we're not the same people. That's a given. Now let's bifurcate the two different things that we're talking about. Dave is right about clarifying the issues, right? So when we're talking about stupid statements that he immediately took back, you guys are inventing what's going on in his head. Oh, he doesn't mean it. He's secretly lying. He's this, he's that. No, did I talk to him about it? We talked to him about it instantly. He came on the Young Turks instantly back then and said, look, obviously I didn't mean it that way. And Vinny, the irony there is that what he meant and what he clarified is something that you largely agree with, which is that we're in the Middle East too much. And there's no need for us to go and provoke people there. There's no need for us to waste our military, lose American soldiers' lives. So, you know, that's the thrust of the argument and that's been lost now. And why, do we constantly going back to a couple of things that he said that are outrageous? Because it's smear by proxy. The reality is that establishment media does not really care about Hassan. They care about smearing Abdul El-Said and all the other candidates that Hassan campaigns with. This is the same exact thing he did with me and Alexander Lee. Hold on, hold on, hold on, Peters. Can I finish something? Okay, this is the same exact smear they did to me in 2020. This is the same exact smear they do to me. You guys are all outsiders. You guys are suckers. They're going to do to you next. Cenk, it's not fair. But I can defend my statements, Cenk. I'm here for your second point. I can never allow it. People, people, look, here's what I would say, Cenk. People hold me to account for what I actually say all the time. If I had said America deserved 9-11, trust me, people would still be talking about it and demanding that my visa gets ripped up. So these comments matter. It is good that he withdrew them. But the default— Bullshit. Bullshit that they matter. Can I explain? Well, okay. Well, no, let me explain. I want you to talk about Mao Zedong. Let me point out the hypocrisy in an overwhelming and empirical way. Cenk, Cenk, explain, explain his comments about Mao Zedong, because they are extremely concerning. Okay, that's a second issue, which I'm going to get to in a second. But first, on the smear by proxy. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. Why isn't anybody asking Mike Rogers, hey, do you denounce Benjamin? Benjamin Netanyahu. You're taking—not only are you campaigning with the Israeli lobby, not only are you associated with the Israeli lobby, you take money from the Israeli lobby. You are legally bribed by the Israeli lobby. So do you denounce the butcher of Jerusalem that has murdered 23,000 children? That is a very legitimate question, but somehow mainstream media can't ask that question. Why didn't they ask Kamala Harris, do you denounce Dick Cheney, who brought torture back, who got hundreds of thousands of people killed? Instead, they're like, oh, you're so wonderful for bear-hugging Dick Cheney. Why didn't anybody get asked, don't you denounce Henry Kissinger? So these are actual murderers who have slaughtered tens or hundreds of thousands of people, but yet mainstream media doesn't do smear by proxy there. They never asked that question. Oh, what did Hassan say? What did Cenk say? By the way, what did Tucker Carlson say? What did Marjorie Taylor Greene say? Notice that they always do this to outsiders, to people who are not insiders. But mainstream media is so disgusting and corrupt that they protect the insiders like Mike Rogers. And we all agree, everyone on this panel agrees with that. Everyone on this panel agrees, the real welfare queens, everyone on this panel agrees that the real welfare queens are Israel, who've been robbing us blind. And we all agree, by the way, Hassan agrees with us, that we should all stop the robbery. And look, peers, I am in the anti-war coalition. In this coalition, hold on, in the anti-war coalition, we have Tucker Carlson and we have Hassan Piker. They don't agree on a lot of things that I don't agree with Tucker Carlson's LGBTQ issues. I don't agree with Hassan on the Mao comments, but we're in the anti-war coalition. Let's stick together. Let's get Israel out of our government, defund it, end the wars, get money out of politics. And then we can go back to these nonsense fights that don't matter, because it won't superimpose on the left or the right, but the thing is it's so easy to tear it down. Hang on, please. I want to ask Cech a simple question. Hang on. Cech, you say that the mainstream media wouldn't go after somebody for saying, you know, difficult things or difficult positions or whatever. I just don't think it's true. If Donald Trump came out with the comments about Mao Zedong that your nephew did, all hell would break loose. And what Dave Smith rightly has asked you is, he said a dumb thing about America and 9-11, and he came on your show immediately and retracted it. Okay. But as Dave said, the mindset which goes out of its way to minimize the actions of the most genocidal monster in the history of planet Earth is very concerning. And as your nephew's star rises and he gets a big feature in Rolling Stone magazine and becomes the face of the progressive left and so on, it is completely legitimate to ask why he would seek to minimize what Mao Zedong Lee Tung did, and I'm curious whether you as his uncle have an answer to that question? Again, we don't speak for one another. So I don't like Mao at all. I mean, to Lindy's point, my wife's grandparents on both sides, grandfathers on both sides, were in Chiang Kai-shek's army. They were generals in that army. They fought Mao, right? So, okay, but you put family aside. I just don't agree with that. But guys, I don't agree with Tucker's positions on feminism. That doesn't mean I'm going to reject him as an ally in the anti-war movement, in the American sovereignty movement. So you guys are doing cancel culture. But remember, cancel culture is used against all of us. So, okay, you don't agree with him on Mao. I don't agree with him on Mao. So what? No, no, no. But it's not, again, the point I was getting at. It's not to smear him or to cancel it. I just want people to stake out their positions clearly. And look, I get your point, brother. I think I probably agree with almost everything you said in that rant. It just never addressed my concern. So listen, obviously, as you know, I'm not the guy who's trying to smear someone for being an anti-war critic. And of course, you know that I know that, of course, a huge percentage of the opposition to your nephew and to Mom Donnie and all of this is just blatant Israel supporters who want to ruin him over that. And then we'll find any other thing they can to discredit them. The point is that Hassan has also given him a ton of low-hanging fruit. And I'm asking the question about the mentality here. Because, brother, I am with you if you're talking about how our money shouldn't go to funding a genocide. I'm not going to do that. , a stupid war on behalf of a foreign country that is bankrupting and destroying our country and i'm with you on the fact that screw any of them for getting morally outraged about anyone you sit on the corpses of innocent dead children here talk to me about any moral outrage about what a streamer said on their stream that being said man whether the factories are owned by individual capitalists or whether they are owned by the central state is the difference between whether people die by the tens of millions or not and that is true every single time that it's played out and there is a movement on the left here who is flirting with these ideas as if they are serious and i'm telling you right now jake if these people like your nephew were to real deal get control of our department of agriculture i'll be siding with the neocons against you because that's even worse that's even worse than the warfare state is real deal state socialism the worst invention in the history of humanity by far so close second and here you guys are for some reason you have a softness to it it blows my mind i don't the same no but dave you're constantly listening listen you hold on hold on real quick real quick look dave you can debate us on mal i could debate hassan mal and i have right we're supposed to by the way i want to say what i don't want people what i don't want to take that for me and and dave and i might be and dave i i'm probably on your side on that debate but hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30. i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com mesquite and save ten cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save guys a misleading impression. There are zero Democratic candidates in favor of Mao. Okay, zero. So I don't want people saying, hey, I don't agree with Hassan on that. And hence, that represents the whole Democratic Party. It definitely does not. So as long as you're not conflating Hassan's most radical position with all Democrats, no, it's a big tent. Almost no one and certainly none of the politicians agree with him on that issue. So he's pushing the Overton window, you push it back, and that's a normal debate. Nobody's got to get canceled. That's simply not true. Magdani is on the reference saying that he wants to seize the means of production. This is not just, it's not someone's fanciful, fanciful predictions. He's literally saying this. And I think it's really curious that you never actually answered Pierce's question. What are your thoughts on Mao? You deflected by talking about Israel and Netanyahu. By the way, I kind of agree with you. I'm not an Israel supporter. I'm not part of the mainstream media. Yet I have concerns, legitimate concerns with your nephew. And there's nothing to do with Israel. Israel isn't even part of my calculation here. But you completely deflected and said these people are mass murderers who killed hundreds of thousands of people. Well, guess what? Mao killed tens of millions of people and starved them to death. It's not okay to legitimize because there are millions of people watching your nephew. Okay, he's normalizing this trash. Lindy. Lindy, if you're asking my opinion, that's so wrong. It's super easy and clear. I'm totally against Mao. So, okay. And then what happened? Nobody's head exploded. Nobody, like the Democratic Party didn't immediately, you know, melt. It's okay. So, and by the way, you know how many people in the Democratic Party are in favor of Mao? About 13. Like, I mean, look, honestly, not that many people agree with Hassan on that issue at all. So why are we blowing up into this massive issue when zero Democratic politicians are in favor of it? Zero, zero, zero. Why is this a giant issue? Guys, what you're not getting is that you're helping the guys. Look, no, but you guys get it, right? So what establishment does, they do it on all the issues, but they do it most on Israel, is they try to cancel people on the left and the right who are outsiders. And they do it by doing smear by proxy. I get that you have other issues with what Hassan is saying, but you guys are helping when you try. And by the way, people on the left then try to help cancel Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene. And it drives me crazy. Don't do that. Don't feed into the establishment of smear by proxy. Cenk, you are conflating canceling with making somebody accountable. If somebody is a rising political star, as Hassan indisputably is, then his stuff that he said on the record should be held to proper microscopic account to see what he actually believes. No problem. But Pierce, you get my ask. He's minimalizing. He's minimalizing. He's minimalizing of Mao's outrages and genocidal monstrosity is a very concerning part of his record. I want, I want to, we could talk about this for hours, but we're not going to. You can debate Hassan, but don't make it seem like all Democrats agree with him because that's, that's. Well, can you tell Hassan to come on? Don't make it, Abdul Al-Said never said any of those things. All right. And you know that tomorrow on CNN, they're going to pretend that Abdul said it. Cenk, I would love to have Hassan on for some baffling reason. I know regular people who, I would like to take, I would like to take up Hassan's uncle's offer to have Hassan on. I'm available anytime he'd like to come on Uncensored because at the moment he keeps saying no. So if you could put a good word in Cenk, I'd appreciate it. And by the way, you guys have never talked about, you've never talked about why he's popular in the first place. He's popular because he's anti-war. He's popular because he wants to stick up for the average American and he might have a different way of doing it than you guys do, but he's not establishment. He's not corrupt. He's for money out of politics. He's for all the things that are super popular as well. And yes, David, you know, we have disagreements over Medicare for all and higher minimum wage poll at 65% or higher. Those are super popular positions. And he hates America, Cenk. He's, he's hates America. He's dressing like, can you understand, wrap this around your head? He dressed up like freaking a cosplay Mao Zedong. He's in China walking around in love. He's in love with China, praising him and saying how much he hates this country. Then get the hell out of this country, Cenk. And don't act like he doesn't have influence. He's a freaking streamer. Okay. He hates these capitalists and everything. Then give your money away. I hope he gives all his millions away, Cenk, because it's absolutely ridiculous. And don't act like he doesn't have all this influence because he's hanging out with AOC, who's looking like she's going to be the front runner. She's not even, she's just, she's not going to denounce his actions. She's not going to say anything like that. Mind you, if you guys don't think she's a serious threat, David, check this out. She's just praising her eggs because she knows she's going to be running and she's going to be a formidable freaking opponent. She's, she doesn't want to have a baby. She doesn't want to deal with none of that for 2028 because she knows. Okay. I want to, I just want to quickly pivot to Tucker Carlson because I've done a lot about the left. On the right, Tucker's come up with this 10 point vision for America. Vinny, you said it was a nothing burger. I'm not so sure. I think Tucker is laying the groundwork here for a potential run of being president. And so those who think he can't get there, well, we currently have a president of United States who was a big figure on television, who's very charismatic and who resonated with millions of people. Tucker Carlson fits all those three criteria. And he is leading this splinter group away from MAGA. And so I think he's a very intelligent, thoughtful guy. Many of whose views I completely agree with. So I would not describe Tucker's manifesto, which is how I read it, as a nothing burger. Why, why are you so dismissive of it? Did you, because Piers, did you read it? Did you actually read the 10 points? Fairness, beautiful, which it appears fine, but there is no, there is no objective, no policy prescriptions, no nothing. And by the way, Piers, I agree. And by the way, everybody on this panel. Okay. Everybody on this panel agrees about Israel's influence about BB net Yahoo. about the freaking war in Iran about October 7th. By the way, still zero, zero. You'll have in here one peep from anybody saying how did October 7th even happen because of the security in freaking Israel to get to this point. So I'm, by the way, we're all on the same point. The overreaction of freaking, to say the least, about Bibi and murdering all those freaking kids. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we could all agree to it. But Tucker, and again, I'm not hating peers, but that 10-point plan, like, to me, number 11 was going to be hold hands and sing Kumbaya. There was no objectives. There was no, I want to hear your policy prescriptions and what you're going to actually do. It sounded cool. Peers, love everybody. Harmony, budget, this, Israel, okay. But I want hardcore proof. And then looking at that photo, peers, at that dinner they had in Maine, Tucker, probably president. Joe Kent, you know, secretary of defense. I'm curious to who would be vice president. Would it be Massey? Would it be Marjorie Taylor Greene? I mean, people say that this party, it's going to be an easy thing to launch peers. It's not as easy as people say. By the way, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I want to hear the actual prescriptions of policies and what you're going to do and what your day one is going to look like. That's my opinion. Well, Dave Smith, you know, it's interesting. For those who haven't seen Tucker's 10 points, they were pretty much fair. Same rules apply to presidents as voters. Sovereign, remove foreign lobbying and Israeli influence. Productive, bring back farming, manufacturing. Beautiful, reduce crime and drug use and challenge ugly urban planning. Healthy, reduce the influence of big pharma. Honest, open classified records. Optimistic, have more children. Wise, education, biology, less tech for fads. Decent, reverse Department of War. Stop funding allies that commit genocide. United, tighter immigration restrictions. They were broad brushstrokes, but they were a vision for America that I suspect will resonate with a lot of people. And Tucker is extremely articulate. He can get very passionate. I could see him, being very, very popular in an election if he chose to run. The question, I guess, for him, is can you possibly achieve success with a different new party? Or is what he's really trying to do reshape the Republican Party away from a MAGA dominated party, which he believes has been betrayed by the architect of MAGA, Donald Trump, and sort of, in a way, reinvent the Republican wheel around what MAGA ought to have been in his eyes? Yeah. Okay, so, I mean, I find there's so much to talk about here, because this could be like a 10-hour discussion on third party. You know, I've been very involved in the Libertarian Party over the last few years, and there's a whole bunch of technical stuff about what it takes to make a party. A third party actually could be very useful, and there could be a situation where you create a third party, but also have candidates run as a Republican, is the kind of long of the short of it. I agree, with a lot of the particulars that Vinnie, some fair, like, kind of criticisms there. There's a lot of policy that still needs to be worked out. There's a lot of questions about, hey, who's really running for what? Who's going in what position? What exactly is the plan here? But I think that might be missing the forest for the trees, if you more look at this as the very first step towards something bigger coming. You know, the consensus that Vinnie laid out there, I think we would all agree with. But, of course, then there's a real strong implication, there, which is that the Trump experiment has completely crashed and burned and failed. And that's the reality that I think, I think right wingers in America are slowly coming to grapple with right now. And look, I mean, I don't know what to say, man. He did. If we're sitting here a year and a half after Donald Trump got elected and we're in a catastrophic war, a regime change war in the Middle East that we just lost and we're further in debt and the Epstein scandal has been covered up and no one's been held responsible for Russiagate and nobody's been held responsible for COVID. And in fact, Donald Trump is saying that he's going to go along with Joe Biden's auto. Well, then the drain the swamp and don't fight the wars anymore. America first thing has been a failure. It is a betrayal and people are feeling it. And Donald Trump specifically said, screw all of the most influential right wing news shows in America and all of their hosts make even Megyn Kelly, even even moderate Megyn Kelly was was castigated by this administration. And so, look, let's just be honest here. We've never really seen anything like this before. We've never seen the number one news show in America's host launch a political effort like this when we know that the grassroots of the country is so with him on these key issues. And so I think what he was laying out there was almost more and he said this himself. It was almost more of like, look, we don't have anything culturally that unifies us in this country anymore. We need to put together some broad goals that we're all on board with moving toward. Now, there's a lot of work to be done there hammering all of that out. But to Cenk's point before about his nephew Hassan, and I promise I won't talk about him anymore. Would love to debate him though if he'll agree to. That was the first thing I said, Cenk. He's got the wind at his back because he opposed the genocide in Gaza. Cenk, it's the same thing with me and you, dude. We've had the wind at our back for the last few years just because we were against this most horrible, most indefensible of things. And Pierce, as has played out on your show more than any other show, the pro-Israeli position has just grown to be indefensible. And at this point, it's just a panel of all of us going, yeah, we all agree on this, that this is wrong. And if anybody comes on with the other position, they can't even get through one sentence because their lies are so obvious that everyone just sees through them. But now you have a position where Tucker Carlson, who's not only the number one guy, but is the best guy at giving a speech, the best guy at cutting a promo, an excellent debater, just an unbelievable, talented orator. Yeah, I think there's enormous potential there. And I do think there's enormous crossover potential. I think there's enormous appeal to people like Cenk. And I think the thing is that people like me are not going to be getting, I'm not going to be able to get on board if your message is we're collectivizing the means of production. But I think if Tucker's message is, hey, we want to go back to true Americanism. We don't want to be an insane country that's always fighting another war that we can't seem to win. Let's worry about our problems here. I think that is something that could become 80-20 issue with the 80 in support. Yeah, I agree. Lindy Lee, what's your view of. Lindy, what do you feel about what's happening with Tucker here? I completely sympathize with the anti-war position. In fact, I agree with the original Donald Trump in January 2025, when he said we should be applauded for the wars that we don't fight. And unfortunately, we got ourselves into this mess. The Strait of Hormuz is still kind of closed and interest rates are soaring and everyone is hurting. Gas prices are also soaring. And it's just, it breaks my heart because we had a historic coalition here. We really did. And in the meantime, Americans are hurting across the country. I have to tell you, I mean, we're all. Come on, come on. Sorry, sorry, sorry. My mistake. I was just agreeing with you. My mistake. I apologize. Oh, I'm so sorry. I thought you were yelling at me again. No, no, no, no. I was just going to say, it's remarkably quick. The idea that we, the coalition, which I was a part of, that got Donald Trump, you know, reelected. The idea that we would have been at the greatest historical comeback in American political history. And just a year later, you know, I posted on Twitter a clip, Pierce, from me on this show a year ago when the hawks were bragging about how the 12-day war was so successful. Remember back then the talking point was Tucker Carlson doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that we're losing Tucker and Candace and Megan and Alex Jones and all these people. It doesn't matter that all the most popular people. A year later, our entire conversation, this whole panel, has been on how Hassan Piker has all the energy behind him, how Mamdani has all the energy behind him. If that's not a Trump failure, I don't know what would be. Well, I'm a little bit more optimistic. I still think he maybe has an opportunity to turn this around. But I have to tell you, American history clearly shows that third-party efforts do not work. We saw it with Theodore Roosevelt. We saw it with Bolsonaro. It just fails again and again. Worked with the Republicans. Yeah. What do you mean with Donald Trump? I think the Republicans were a third party. That's how the Republicans got created. 1960-something, you're saying? It's been a while. It's been a while. A little later than that. It's been a while. It's been a while. All right, we'll see if we can do all that again 60 years later. I actually think that James Carville's prediction may come true, that I think the Republicans may well lose the House and the Senate in the midterms, and that would render Trump immediately a lame duck president. And if that does happen, you have to say he'd only have himself to blame. I mean, he went against, directly against his campaign pledges, not to engage in foreign wars and so on. He's had a direct impact on people's living standards, the cost of living in the wrong way to the one that he hoped, coupled with the tariff war, which has compounded, I think, people's issues on that front. So if that was to happen, you know, you could absolutely see a rising momentum for somebody like Tucker Carlson, who says, look, I want to be the original Trump, right? The one we thought we were voting for. You know, the one. The one who doesn't want to meddle in foreign wars, who does want to take care of Americans and American families and interests and restore American values. You know, I could absolutely see Tucker doing very well post the midterms if that scenario happened and the Republicans lost control of Congress. I think you're going to see Tucker leading the charge of reframing Trumpism, if you know what I mean. Yeah. So I might be uniquely qualified to talk about this because Young Turks is, I think, had as guest hosts, Hassan Baiker and Joe Kent and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Dave Smith. So we we listen to both sides. And and what's clear, I think not only to this panel, but to everyone watching is the both the establishment Republicans and the establishment Democrats are excellent at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. So Donald Trump said that he was anti-war and for America first. And then he immediately betrayed that. And now he's down a 32 percent approval rating. He had it. He won all seven swing states. Joe Biden, the Democratic Party is supposed to be anti-war. It's supposed to be for American voters and the average American. But what did Joe Biden and Kamala Harris do? They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They both sets of parties, no matter who we elect. You know, there's that meme about no matter who you vote for, you get John McCain. But there's another meme. No matter who you vote for, you get Benjamin Netanyahu. And that's true. And that is what that's what's making both sets of parties, their brands and their leadership deeply unpopular. It's not just that it's about Israel and war. Those are very, very important issues. But they're the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg is we don't trust you. We think you're corrupt. We think you work for the donors, all the donors, just not not just the Israeli lobby and that you sell us out and that you're never going to do what we want. So there is a massive opportunity. There's two sets of people that I think can take that opportunity. And we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. And we're going to see what history and fate brings us. But there's the populist left wing in the Democratic Party. The most underrated potential candidate is Ro Khanna. Ro Khanna got Epstein files released. Ro Khanna was 100 percent against this war is for defunding Israel. He has all the super popular populist positions and he doesn't get too much into the social issues. That's exactly the right lane that would capture about 70 percent of this country. Now, if Tucker Carlson does, there's a reason why. He had that kind of vanilla benign thing that Binney's criticizing, because in order to win, you have to divorce yourself from the social issues, whether you're on the left or the right. But once you get past the culture wars, which are meant to divide us, don't fall into that trap. If you're a populist in either direction. OK, once you get past that, that 70 percent of the country will that agrees with you. Let's stand up for America, American voters. Let's give them things that they want, not foreign governments, not corporations, not the endless subsidies, not the endless corruption. So if Roe does that within the Democratic Party, I think you'll win. If Tucker does that either within the Republican Party or outside of the party and the Democrats make the mistake of putting a corporate stooge on there like Buttigieg or Kamala Harris, then we're going to lose and they're going to win. So whoever gives the people what they want and they're very, very clear about what they want, take the popular positions and you'll win. It's not that complicated. That's why Roe and Tucker are going that way, even though they massively disagree on social issues. Here's what I'm going to end how we well, Lindy, I'm sorry we've run out of time, Lindy, but I just wanted to end by how we started, actually, with Hassan Piker, because Elon Musk, as we've been debating, just tweeted about Hassan. He means what he says. It was a quote tweet citing Hassan Piker saying we're going to destroy the white race bitch, which was apparently a satirical comment he claimed at the time. Hassan has just posted back to Elon in response, I am white, laughing my ass off. I think that seems an appropriate way for us to conclude this debate with the panel looking. By the way, I do have an answer for you, though, shaking their heads, wondering, yeah, how did we get here? So, Piers, real quick, you said imagine if Trump said something like what Hassan said about Mao. I don't have to imagine he did. Remember, he said he fell in love with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean communist dictator. So I guess every Republican has to denounce that because he did literally say he fell in love with him and they wrote love letters. The only surprising thing about what you've just said is it's taken you this long to think of it. Normally, you'd be a lot quicker. So I can only blame the blazing, the blazing, the unseasonably hot L.A. sunshine has clearly slowed you down a bit. Guys, great, great debate. Thank you all. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you. Piers Morgan Uncensored for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's, home of the save.