Hasan Scraps with Chris Christie

(upbeat music) Lemonade. - Thanks for listening to Hussam Minhaj Doesn't Know. Listen to and follow Hussam Minhaj Doesn't Know add free on Amazon Music or just ask Alexa. Alexa, play the podcast Hussam Minhaj Doesn't Know on Amazon Music. Also with Amazon Music Unlimited, you can now listen to your favorite music, podcasts, and audio books, all in the Amazon Music app. Listen to Hussam Minhaj Doesn't Know on Amazon Music. - Let's pivot to something that's less spicy. Let's talk politics. - You stuck with Donald Trump through the Saudis, obstructing the Mueller investigation, asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden. Hardening Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Charles Kushner, who you put in prison? - You want to go back and cherry pick some of that stuff? That's fine. I know who I am and I know what I've stood for. - Why should we believe any of your critiques of Donald Trump then? - And Doge was completely ineffective. It was all bulls**t. - I mean, USAID is dead. - Don't change the question now. - I'm saying I've gone through breakups that had a longer gap. When you use 2020 as a broad 365-day program there, get real about your research, okay? - The governor isn't that how a year works? - No, it's not. You're proving your point that you can't win arguments with a lawyer. - I told you guys, this guy will scrap. My man will scrap. - Former New Jersey governor, Chris Christie, is not afraid to scrap. And even though, as you will see in this interview, we disagree on a lot. - This is the problem with your view of politics, okay? - I genuinely respect his willingness to come on here and do it out. Now, I know what some of you are thinking. - Hudson, why are you even having Chris Christie on your show? He was the first elected official to endorse Donald Trump in 2016. He made millions off his political connections after leaving public office. And he was caught sunbathing on a beach with his family that was closed for COVID in 2020. That is not true. - Don't jump to conclusions. Yes, he did make millions of dollars off his political connections after leaving public office. And he was caught sunbathing on a beach with his family that was closed for a government shut down in 2017. Not COVID in 2020. Look it up. Everyone remembers this wrong. - In all seriousness, I have been trying to get Chris Christie on this show for two years because I am fascinated by his battle to get the Republican party back to what it was before Donald Trump. A Republican party that some might say created the conditions that led to Donald Trump. But he disagrees. So we talked it out. And I asked him why if his party is so bad, he doesn't just bail. Is there anything that would make you vote for a Democrat? And I asked him straight up whether Republican voters even want what he's selling. Do you think the Republican voters want the truth? - You know what forces people to have to listen to the truth using. - We also talked about his pivotal role in a Supreme Court case that unleashed the wave of gambling and gambling addiction. We are now seeing across the country. I have not taken any money from any sports gambling website. Do you have anything you'd like to disclose? - No. - Hey. - Life's more fun when you're in on the action. ♪ I'll be right away ♪ ♪ No, please don't say it for me ♪ - Now you were instrumental in the legalization of sports betting. So I want to see how good of a gambler that you are. - I would like to play a game called Yes, The Odds. - What do you think the chances that the US government confirms that aliens do exist by December 31st? - I think it's five percent. - Wrong. Polly market odds are 16%. - 16. - By the way, I want to just-- - Still not great. - By the way, Governor, I want to just establish this. Real people are betting on this. So these are real odds that we pulled from Polly market. - It is. - You'll expect us to serve me. - Yes. - Quite. - Yeah, you're seeing the larger social commentary here. - Yes. - Okay. Now this is a fastball down the middle for you, Governor. - Okay, we're ready. - Who will be the 2028 Republican nominee for president? Give me a name. - This is who Polly market thinks it will be. - People on Polly market are betting. - I'm gonna say Polly market right now is saying Marco Rubio. - Marco Rubio's in second place. - Okay. - Number one is JD Vance at 37%. - Where's Marco? - Marco is number two at 25%. - I'm a little surprised by that. - Really? You thought I thought Marco's stock was rising right now. But, okay. - Maybe he was a lot lower than 25 before. - Oh no. - Number three, Tucker Carlson at six percent. - Six percent. - That's ridiculous. - Six percent. - Those are people who just want to give money away. They're betting on Tucker Carlson. - I mean. - To be the Republican nominee. - With all due respect, Governor. - Why don't you just throw your money in the fireplace? - Me too. - Tucker Carlson. - Tucker Carlson at six percent with all due respect, Governor. Anyone who's on Polly market throwing their money away. - Yeah. - Donald Trump is at two percent. - By the way, that's Donald Trump's money. He's actually, he bet on himself. - Let's talk about the other side. - Who will be the 2028 Democratic nominee for president? - Who does Polly market say that? - Who does Polly market saying that this person will be the top candidate? - Polly market probably says Gavin Newsom. - You're correct. - Gavin Newsom at 24 percent. - There you go. - Kamala Harris. - More wasted money, by the way. - You don't think he's gonna be the nominee? - I do not. - Who do you think he's gonna be? I'll go down the list. Who do you think? - It's not gonna be Kamala Harris. - Kamala Harris is at nine percent? - Yeah, no. - AOC is at eight percent. - No. - AOC is at one percent. - Mr. Beast. He's got a shot. - Run agreement. I actually think Mr. Beast should be higher. I think he would think that's the greatest high-seat could pull off. - It would be. - Talk about the virality of that YouTube video. - Yeah. - I will be running for president of the United States of America. It's gonna get a lot of use. - Look. It's where people fell into 2015 with Donald Choky then yesterday, so, you know, Mr. Beast is not out of play. - Anything is possible. - Yeah. - We're talking about gambling. Back when you were governor, you fought a federal ban on sports betting and took it all the way to the Supreme Court. Now we're having this conversation in 2026. It is now legal in 39 states. - Yes. - Now as a member of the sports betting hall of fame, do you feel like the industry has had a net positive impact on sports fans, sports teams, and society at large? - On sports fans, yes, because I think that you have more of them. More people are watching sports, interested in sports, because they can put a little money on it. And I think that they generally, in most of them, not all, but most of them enjoy it more, because they have a little action and they feel like they're part of it. For sports teams, I would say it has been great for the sports teams owners, because it's increased the value of those teams. - Oh, wait, Governor, can I just stop you real quick? - Yeah. - I just have to stop for a quick ad break real quick. - You said we make money? - Yeah, that's how we make money. - Okay, all right. This episode of HMDK is brought to you by DraftKings. Play now to win big prizes and elevate your game day experience with DraftKings. If you or someone you know struggles with gambling addiction, call 1-800-Gampler 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you don't have to suffer alone. - DraftKings, life is more fun when you get in on the action. I'm sorry, what are you saying? - Oh, where were we? - I'm talking about sports. - Sports society in general. - Sports teams, sports teams. - Plus I think that for society in general, it has probably gotten more people to bet that I'd done it before illegally. And, you know, I think it's a net neutral. I don't think it's horrible for society, but, you know, it's another vice and people have to learn how to control it. - Are you familiar? Do you know Adam Silver? I'm sure you guys probably know each other. - I don't say that. I've been at the commission. - Okay. So, I mean, obviously you know that the commissioner, with this chancey billup story, with a lot of the gambling stuff that's happening, he's in quite a hullabaloo right now, and a tizzy with what's happening right now. You've also seen the footage of people like games screaming at the players. You fucked up my parlay, part of my French government. You think your thoughts on this? - Look, I think there were plenty of people who were doing that before, too. - Yeah. - And on the chancey billup stuff, what I would say to you is that the stuff that went on to the NBA, stuff that went on to the MLB with the players who had people betting whether they would throw a strike or not on a stickler pitch. You wouldn't have found out about that if it wasn't for legalized gambling. Because, you know, it wasn't like the mafia was going to call the MLB and say, "Hey, by the way, this relief pitcher from the Indians, or the guardians rather, you know, is on the game here." - Right. So, I think you mentioned this before that it being on these apps kind of basically put it in the blockchain. It's documented. - Yes. And it increases the likelihood that you're going to be able to discover it because they have an affirmative obligation legally, regulatory to watch for unusual betting. - Yes. - It's reported both to law enforcement and to the league. So at the time, when you took this case to the Supreme Court, I went all the way to the Supreme Court. - Yeah. - What was your thinking behind the repealing of the ban on sports betting? - Well, first off, remember that back then when it went, when we started the lawsuit, it was 2012. - Yeah. - And the idea that everybody would have a betting app on their phone was not even conceived of yet. Right? So, what I was thinking was Atlantic City was getting a lot of competition from casino gambling around the country. I was looking for a way to differentiate Atlantic City for all these other new casinos. So I said, let's get sports gambling in New Jersey at the casinos. That was the original thought. It obviously evolved over the six years that the case went on. But that was the original thought. Was we wanted to make something different in the Atlantic City casinos to try to draw more people there? - No. Gambling looked very different in the '90s. It looked very different in the 2000s, the early arts, you're talking about 2012. What do you think about it now? I mean, 2026 gambling, you now have a pocket bookie where you can gamble 24 hours a day seven days a week. So, it's not even just the small time good fellow's mob stuff anymore. You are now in every person's pocket the moment they wake up. - You are. And I think that any concerns that people have had about it, a lot of them have been addressed by dealing with not allowing people to use credit cards anymore. We can't run up that to go on at least the the regulated websites, right? So you've got to have cash to be able to do it. Yeah. So I think that makes it better. So I'm less concerned about that than I was in the beginning of it when people were able to use credit cards to put money on there and then they're paying incredible interest rates on that money on their credit card. That could create a huge problem for people. I think now that they've got rid of that, I'd also like to see, you know, parles and those kind of betting go away in college sports. Yeah. I think when you have young people on campus betting on it and then they're, you know, physics class with the guy or the woman the next day, there's much more interaction between those folks than with the pro athletes. I mean, I'll be honest, Governor, the thing that concerns me the most and for my generation, I think it's the virality of vice. You know, back in the day, you used to have, you had your corner, you know, drugs, drug guy, right? It's your local weed dealer. At no point, did they make drugs available on an app? Do you have sympathy for the people that struggle now with gambling addiction? Oh, of course. Yeah. As I do, with people who struggle for any type of addiction, whether it be drugs or alcohol, and I worked on that a lot when I was governor. So yeah, but I think in the same token, we're not saying that we're going to ban alcohol. We tried that once in the country didn't work so well. So what we have to do is to try to deal with the people who have addictive personalities, get them the treatment they need so that they can get through it. And the other thing I'd say about the idea of the vice virality, yes, you put it, the virality of vice. Yeah. So, you know, we see it with porn also. And the ability for people to get that online now, I think is an even bigger problem, you know, in many ways than gambling. Right now, a Sienna poll shows that half of men, age 18 to 49, now have an active online sports betting account. A 2024 study found that over 700,000 gamblers found that only 4% of them actually made money from online betting while 96% lost money. Knowing what you know now, would you go back and push a button and undo that case in 2012? No. Why? No, because I still think that more people use it responsibly, more people are finding enjoyment out of it, much more of it. And the statistics just read, okay, so 49% of young men between 18 and 49 have an account. We don't have the correlation of are they becoming addicted gamblers? Are they losing too much money? A lot of people that I know, that small amounts of money, they have fun with it. They can peep with their friends, I think it's an overreaction. Also, I just want to do this, I just want to give you full disclosure right now, that ad read that I did for Draft Kings, that's not a real ad. Of course. Okay, I have not taken any money from Draft Kings, I have not taken any money from any sports gambling website, I'm practicing Muslim, I do not take money from gambling platforms. No. Because life's more fun when you're in on the action. All right, governor. Exactly right. Because I remember shortly after you left being governor in New Jersey, you became an advisor to Draft Kings. Oh, yes, sure. All right, let's pivot to something that's less spicy. Let's talk about some that'll unite the room. Let's talk about politics. Yeah. Now, you've gone hard in the paint against Donald Trump. You have said that the president is a bitter angry man, undisciplined immature narcissistic, a certified loser, a verified coward, in the cheapest SOB I've ever met in my life. However, right. Here's the twist. You were the first elected official to endorse him in 2016. Donald Trump revealing his newest weapon today, governor Chris Christie, and the surprise endorsement, saying he's now behind Trump for president. I am proud to be here to endorse Donald Trump for president of the United States. I know people in the comments will ask this, so I'm just going to ask you. Yeah. Why should we believe any of your critiques of Donald Trump then? Chris, the critiques happened after that, not before it. I got to know him much better. And I came to different conclusion that what my opinion of him was in 2016. Pre 2016, he was none of those things. The Donald Trump that you know. Oh, I didn't say he was he was some of those things and not some of the other ones. Okay, but quite frankly, you know, what I did at the time is what people normally do in politics, which is you run, if you lose, you try to help the person who gets the nomination for your party. And that's what I tried to do. And by the way, I admitted I was wrong. So, you know, people make mistakes. It was a mistake to support him. But, you know, it wasn't the only mistake I've made in my life and it won't be the last one. You know, look, I appreciate your transparency here. Here's the thing that doesn't make sense to me. So you were on Hannity in April of 2021. This is after January 6th. Yeah. And Sean asked you on the air, what grade would you give Donald Trump? Do you know what grade you gave him? Well, what was the question? Grade for what? What grade would you give the president in regards to his performance as president? Well, I probably gave him a minus b plus. You said overall, I'd give the president an a. Right. We're talking about Viking, dude, breaking in. Would that stop what we were talking about? We're talking about doing the Senate chambers. It wasn't what we, it's not a guy pissing on Nancy Pelosi's desk. This is what we were talking about. It wasn't. You're talking about his presidential performance. Correct. That's part of it. That's the exit interview. By the way, that wasn't the question that he asked me. Overall, how do you grade Trump as president? Oh, listen, overall, I give the president an a. You know, but the fact of the matter is that there were some things that happened specifically at the end of the presidency that I think had some things that clouded his accomplishments. I'm a policy major, okay? 60 units. I'm not trying to brag. Well, congratulations. Okay. Me too. Now, one time in political science class, I didn't include a bibliography on an essay and they gave me a C plus governor. Well, I pissed on my professor's desk. There is no way. There is no way I wouldn't not be arrested. Right. And that would be calculated. I don't know what any of you you're saying right now has to do with a question that I got in 2021, but it didn't you want? I'm saying you have to include the assessment of January. If you want to overall assessment, look, and I did. And I ran against him in 2023 into 2024. And I've been very clear about the way I felt about all the things that he's done in the interim as well. So you want to go back and cherry pick some of that stuff. That's fine. And I've done things that other Republicans haven't even dreamed of doing. Now, a lot of people in our audience, they don't know this. My sister's an attorney. You also were an attorney. You were the U.S. attorney of the Department of Justice. I was. Okay. Now, let me tell you something. As someone with a younger sister who's a lot smarter than him, you don't want to argue with a lawyer. Okay. I've lost many an argument with my younger sister. She goes hard in the paint, but so do you. Yeah. Now, you made your name as an anti-corruption guy. As a U.S. attorney, you oversaw the convictions of 130 public officials, but you didn't fully break with Trump until after the 2020 election. So just to be clear, as an anti-corruption guy, you stuck with Donald Trump through the Saudis, shoveling money into his hotels, obstructing the Mueller investigation, asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden, pardoning Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Charles Kushner. Who you put in prison? By the way, this is all fun, but I spoke clearly out about my opposition to those bargains. So and those bargains happened right at the very end of his presidency. So don't say stuck with it through 2020. In fact, if you go back to my commentary on ABC on the night of the election of 2020, when the president came out and said he thought it was rigged, all the rest of it. I spoke out that day, very strongly about the fact that I couldn't support him anymore because of that. And I disagree with what he did tonight. There comes a point where you have to let the process play itself out before you judge it to have been flawed. So when you use 2020 as a broad 365 day program there, get real about your research, okay? Okay. Okay. So no, it's not. So good try. I think it does. Good try. Okay. Understood. You helped Donald Trump prepare for his debate against Hillary Clinton. Is this true? In 2016. Yes. Okay. You also helped prep him against Joe Biden in that debate in 2020. And frankly, you didn't really have to because I think President Joe Biden had to mention. Here's my question. Yeah. Do you think either of those two people that I just mentioned, Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have been more corrupt than Donald Trump had they won? Look, I think they both had those problems. But do I think they would have been more corrupt? Probably not. No. Why is there this kind of Republican false equivalency between Donald Trump's Scrooge McDuck open skull doggery and corruption? And then that gets compared equal to Hunter Biden laptop or Hillary Clinton's emails. Look, you have to ask the Republicans who've actually done that and made that comparison. I have it. How did how do you analyze it? Do you see them as wildly different things? Look, I think that all of them have had their own problems. And I think with Biden, the stuff that was going on with Hunter was fairly open corruption. Hunter Biden's paintings, being purchased for hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm no art critic, sure, but doesn't seem to me. That's the right thing to do. Joe Biden pardoning all the members of his family on the way out the door is going to set. a horrible precedent for what we're gonna see that's gonna happen at the end of 2028. So, I think there were a lot of things that went on the Biden administration and go back to the Clintons. There's lots of things we could talk about from selling the Lincoln bedroom to a number of other acts of corruption, including the Mark Rich pardon by Bill Clinton, that Hillary Clinton was at least an adjacent to partner to. So, we can compare all those things. - Unsay every stuff all around. - No, I got to grade it though. - Look, but I think that, and I also think that Trump corruption term one significantly different than Trump corruption term two. Trump corruption term two outstrips anything that's been done by any president in the history of the country in my opinion. - I agree. - So, it's all relative. - Look, I'm coming in hot. But like I said, as you walked in, I gotta give you your flowers. You are a New Jersey scrapper. And one of the things that you've done is you've gone hard on the paint on tape. Okay? - Yeah. - I want to play back one of my favorite Chris Christie moments. Governor, this is you at the 2016 Republican primary debate when you body slammed Marco Rubio. Let's take a look. - But I would add this. Let's dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. - That's what Washington DC does. The drive-by shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information. And then the memorized 25 seconds speech that is exactly what the advise is gave him. - Your state got hit by a massive snowstorm two weeks ago. You didn't even want to go back. They had to shame you into going back. And then you stayed there for 36 hours. And then he left and came back to campaign. Those are the facts. Who's the bottom line? This notion that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not through. - There it is. - He knows exactly what he's doing. - There it is. The memorized 25 seconds speech. - You called the audible. You called the audible. You're like, I knew he's gonna do it. - I knew he was gonna do this. - When you two debates the right way, if you want to be successful, they're about dissenting and reacting. And that's what Marco never understood. - Yes. And that man that you just unloaded the clip on, he's now Secretary of State. - Yeah, well, look, one might choice. - All right. Governor, here's the larger question. - There's a larger question. - Yes, I can't. - I remember what this is. - This is the larger question. - I can't wait. - No, this is it. - Is it a bigger print? - It's in bold, man. - Here we go. Well, I'm ready, let's go. - Governor, do shame and humiliation work against Republicans. Clearly what you did here is you called the play. You told him what he was gonna do. You told the audience what he was gonna do. He then did it. Audience booze him in unison. This should be the body blow. This should be the down goes, Frazier. - It was. - But it wasn't. - It was, his campaign was over. You're now talking about eight years later. He gets appointed by Donald Trump to be Secretary of State. It's not the job he wanted. He wanted Donald Trump's job. So I would argue to you that Frazier did go down. - You went down in that moment. - Yeah. And by the way. - And then Don King called him and said you should be Secretary of State. - Well, and look, that's the guy we elected presidents call. And I disagree with it, but it is what it is. - Do you think it was brilliant that Donald Trump, from the get-go, he kind of pulled what you did, which is if I established the media as the enemy of the people, everything that's written about him or said about him in the media, he can be like, I told you. I told you guys this was going to happen. - Yeah, no, that's not working anymore. - You think so? - No, I just look at his poll numbers. His poll numbers tell you people are buying the act anymore. - Hey man, 70% of people agree with his position in the Republican party. 70% of Republican voters agree with his position in the war of the Iran. They're in agreement. - Well, but the problem for him is that not only Republicans vote. - What do you mean by that? - Not only Republicans vote. - Right. - So you have 70% of Republicans. By the way, that's down from where he was after he got elected in 2024, which is about 95% of Republicans. So he's now lost, you know, almost a quarter of his, or a little more than a quarter of his support within his own party. And if you look at the latest numbers from the New York Times, Seattle poll that came out, has him minus 61 among independents. - You recently said there are no principles left in my party. The only principle is Trump. Here's my question. Why are you still in the party then? - Because I want to change the party. I'm not a quitter. - You can switch up. - He, no, I'm not a quitter. - You can sign and trade. - No. - You can go through the transfer portal. - He changed the party. I want to change it back. - Okay. So let's look ahead, post Trump. You want to fix the party and change it back. - Yep. - Now, what's left for you guys to do because he's been very effective while he's in office. So far, he has overturned Rovey Wade affirmative action and most of the voting rights act. He cracked down on immigration. He took a chance out of the bureaucracy. He pushed through a huge tax cut for the rich. Let me tell you something. I live in Connecticut. People are happy. He rolled back climate change regulations. So I would say if I was head coach, if I was like Mike Dickuff for the Republican party, I'd be like, gentlemen, we've already won. What's left? Pretty much you got to just abolish the IRS, give nukes to the LAPD, and then make people stand for the national anthem at AMC movie theaters. - It's an interesting sense of humor you have, but that's not first of all, not all Republicans agree with all the things you just, you just line it up and-- - What do you disagree with out of, out of-- - Well, I don't remember all the things that you zipped through and you're very fast-talked there. So you wanna bring him back? - Sure. - I'll answer him one by one. Which ones do you want, which ones do you wanna go to? - Should we go through the list? I wanna be respectful of times. Gosh, should we go through the list? Okay, he always keeps me honest with time. overturned Rovey Wade. - I favor that. - He ended affirmative action. I took it to the Supreme Court and ended affirmative action. - Yeah, I mean, no, I don't agree with his position on that. No. - Okay, they've gutted most of the voting rights act. - I don't agree with that. I don't agree with what you said. - Cracked down on immigration. - Not the way he's done it, no. - Took a chainsaw to the bureaucracy. - He hasn't. - I mean, that's just rhetoric. He didn't do anything. It's just talking about it. - You don't think Doge was a chainsaw to-- - Yeah, Doge was completely ineffective. It was all bullshit. - But you admit that it's insane, right? That basically Elon Musk and a bunch of like 12 dudes on the head-- - And that's why-- - And by the way, that's why-- - By the way, that's why it didn't work. - That's why it didn't work. That's part of Doge. - If you call getting rid of USAID, putting a chainsaw to the bureaucracy, I understand why you're doing it because of Elon with his chainsaw at the conservative conference. But no, it didn't work. - I'm ineffective, because what's happening to you is that you're believing all the stuff Trump says he did, not what he really did. - I mean, that real people know that-- - We had a chance to be on the show. - We had a chance to be on the show. - USAID is dead. - But you didn't-- - Don't change the question now. - Okay. - Read the point you made back then. - Push, took a chainsaw-- - Took a chainsaw to the bureaucracy. - One agency inside a multi-trillion dollar federal government, I would argue to you, is not taking a chainsaw to the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy is alive well, living, breathing, and some would say thriving, because he's done more deficit spending than any president in American history. So, but we don't talk about that anymore as Republicans. Got it. Rolled back climate change, regulations? - He's done a couple of things, but that's also been more talked than do. - Well, the Trump administration and announcing an immediate pause on all large scale offshore wind projects. - The Environmental Protection Agency has repealed its own landmark Obama-era assessment that greenhouse gases threaten public health and welfare. - President Donald Trump has halted a Biden-era program that helped fund EV chargers. The Trump administration is planning to close its largest federal climate research center. - What else do you think the Republican party needs to get done? - We have to get spending under control. Our debt is out of control, completely out of control. Both parties have contributed to it, but Trump has contributed to more than anyone else. And if we don't get that under control, the lives of our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will not be anywhere near the lives that you and I have been able to have. So that's one. Okay, I don't want to cut you off. - Well, look, I could do a lot, but I mean, in respect for time, how much more you want me to do, but our far-policy needs to change completely. The wrecking of our alliances around the world is going to, and absolutely, in order to our detriment over the course of the next decade or more if we get to knew on that path. I think what we've done, what he's done in this country regarding civility and the lack of civility has now affected not just the political system, but more broadly into everything else. And you see that throughout the country where our families can't even have conversations about political issues, many around the kitchen table or the holiday table because people have been taught that the way to do that is to just, you know, take out the meat axe and take it to your relative. - Yeah. - You know, that's something I'd like that to change. - I agree on one of those two. I do believe that the United States's position on the international stage is absolutely abysmal. But I will say, families have always been arguing over Thanksgiving. - Not in the same way. - Really? - Definitely not in the same way. - Governor, you should come over to my parents' house and say, "You invite me, I'm not. " - You'll probably be, I'll be there. - We have been arguing through every. - There's a difference. - There's a difference between arguing and the type of, and I can't believe you haven't seen it, the type of activity that's going on where people won't even bring up subjects anymore for fear of what the reaction of another person would be. And that is something in our country. Our country was designed to be an argument. - Yeah. - That's the way the system was set up. And he's such a snowflake that if you don't agree with him, yet he shuts down the argument through insults and even more severe action that he takes against people criticizing. I want to put a pin in that because what you're talking about and you've been talking about this publicly, which is like political savviness, how to be an effective politician. I want to talk about your book first. Can I do that? Whatever you like. Okay. So in 2024, you wrote this book. What would Reagan do life lessons from the last great president? You are nostalgic for the Reagan era, but I have a question for you. Aren't we kind of living through a Reagan era right now? I mean, Ronald Reagan famously, fucked with Latin America, back to War with Iran, interest rates were out of control. Now look, at that time it was 20%, it's like six-ish right now, but doesn't it feel kind of Reagan-ish? No. No, were you alive during Reagan? I was wondering Reagan. How old? How old? How old? I was born 85. So I was. Yeah, right. So, you didn't have a conscious memory, uh-huh, before Reagan left home. Tell me about it, because I remember Rocky IV, the only guy to do is bring that back. And Stallone is still cooking on Yellowstone. Stallone is still, we're not Yellowstone. No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Tulsa King. How dare I? How dare you? You're right. Hey, the governor is pissed. Governor, Governor speaking. That's where we draw the lines. I'm not talking stuff. Don't worry about it. I'm not going to let you, but I'm not going to let you, but Sylvester Stallone and Yellowstone. No, that's where I, you're lucky I don't get up and walk out on that. No slice lander here. Hey, put the cups on it. No, please. No chops necessary. Okay. Just get it right. That's all we're asking. Okay. No, look, the Reagan era is significantly different regarding our lines is around the world. What Reagan did around the world was to bring our lines is together and folks work together, um, in those times, with foreign governments, you know, all across our lines is in Asia, in Western Europe. Um, is your argument a call for decorum, the decorum of Reagan on the internet? That's not only that, but Reagan actually- Reagan actually did this Reagan reform social security and compromised with Democrats to reform social security. Reagan had a number of different actions when he was president. Taxes in another ways where he actually worked with Democrats, worked with Tip O'Neill to bring people together. You don't see any of that now. In fact, what you see is people who vote with the other party from my party are subjects of the president going after them in primaries as we just saw happen with Bill Cassidy, um, yet just a few days ago. And to be fair, he was very different. Reagan was very different on the issue of immigration as well. Significantly different. No tariffs under Ronald Reagan. Right. He was absolutely opposed to that. Wanted to have free trade around the world and didn't want to put tariffs up in the same way that Trump is doing. He spoke very eloquently about that as well. A totally different set of circumstances under Ronald Reagan than under Donald Trump. Governor, how do you feel about basically the idea that Donald Trump essentially stole the tagline? I mean, Reagan was let's make America great again and Trump is make America great again. Um, what's your analysis on that? Oh, are we surprised that Donald Trump appropriated something and then claims it as his own? I bought Ronald Reagan for president. Let's make America great again. Tonight we're beginning to do what is right and what is necessary to make America great again. Well, I think it was oddly kind of fitting. Very welcoming. Let's. Hey, let's go get Korean barbecue governor. Let us let us. Let us. There's a great Korean barbecue spot right downstairs. Let us let us. And by the way, it was not the central part. Reagan didn't make it a slogan. He made it an aspiration. Yeah. And that's significantly different because we're very interested about all about everybody. Yeah, Trump makes it about himself. But it's an ask too. Let us. It's an ask rather than demand. But it's also the implication from my perspective is that Reagan wants to work with everybody. Yeah. Trump is demanding it. Be the way he wants it to be. So you've been writing about this for a long time. Obviously, this is your 2024 book, but you also wrote a memoir in 2021. And you've been talking about this idea. These ideals of what America can be, but what the Republican Party can be. In your 2021 memoir, Republican Rescue, you wrote, "Our party has core values that matter. We believe in honesty and integrity. Facts and fair play. We don't smear innocent people. We don't make wild accusations. And we can't tolerate people who do, just like we can't align ourselves with violence, corruption, abuse, or racism. That is not who we are." I'm sorry. What party are you talking about here? Yeah, no. That was my view of my party, pre-Donald Trump. You would admit, though, that the Republican Party has descended into a lot of these things. That's why I wrote the book. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. Yeah. So hypothetically, let's just say, look, Governor, you're out of office. I have a YouTube show. I'm available. Let's say you and I, we team up. We work on a fiction book, okay? A fiction book. A fiction, okay. Kind of the way Bill Clinton's doing fiction right now, where it's grounded fiction. Hypothetically, let's say we write a character. Now, I know you think I'm a young man, but I got an old soul. Let's say we write a character that's kind of like Archie Bunker. Our younger viewers aren't going to get this, but I'm telling you, do your comedy, do diligence. Archie Bunker was a great comedic character. Kind of a well-intentioned bigot, but like, you know, bigotry light. Sometimes he was full-calorie. If we were to write an Archie Bunker character in our book, which party do you think he would lean towards in 2026? Either his type of bigotry could be either. Could be either party. You're telling me in 2026, Archie Bunker's voting for Zoram, I'm Donnie. Voting for ALC. Voting for Bernie Sanders. Oh, he might vote for Bernie Sanders. Listen to Bernie Sanders. He might vote for Bernie. I remember. I remember. Come on. It's like he grounded. This is the grounded fiction. No, a lot of the same people who voted for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary, why the vote for Donald Trump in the general? Just look it up. It is absolutely the case. Populism is populism. And whether it has a liberal bent or conservative bent, a lot of the same people who swear Bernie Sanders people, turned around and would not vote for Hillary Clinton. And in fact, voted for Donald Trump. And the polling numbers are there to show it. I just think. I know what you think. You're quick. Your question was not very failed. All right. Okay. So you don't need to clue me in on that. I just think here I disagree with you. Okay. I believe that there are bigots in both parties. And I believe that this populism movement on both sides have created a horrible toxic culture. Is Donald Trump the king of that? Yes he is. But there are a lot of people. You're also saying Bernie Sanders is contributing to this as well. But there's no doubt that Bernie Sanders contributed to it. And by the way, Bernie Sanders voters. He's a walking carton of Ben and Jerry. Bernie Sanders voters. Unlected Donald Trump at 2016. All you have to do is go and look at the numbers. That's what happened. You're right. There were some. So, I guess they were okay with Donald Trump's brand of what he was selling. And you know why? Because much of it was the same as Bernie's. In Republican rescue. Yes. You went off on Marjorie Taylor Green. I did. Have you apologized since? No. What? She's on the view all the time. You guys haven't pulled up at the studio. I have seen Marjorie Taylor Green in years. So no, I have not apologized to Marjorie Taylor Green. If I could have only met her once. You had some very choice words for her. How do you feel about her evolution? She's changed as well, Governor. Oh, look, I think that Marjorie Taylor Green's evolution is her own personal evolution. And if she's more comfortable being in the place where she is now, I commend her for her willingness to change. I don't know if it's really genuine or not. But I have to take her out her word. So if it is, good for her. She's one of the few Republican voices out there right now. That is strongly critiquing Donald Trump. Do you consider her an ally now? No idea. So I said, I don't know her. So I don't make someone an ally until I actually get to meet them and have a deep conversation with them about what they really feel and believe. So how many convos would it take? Realistic. I really don't know. Having never spoken to her. Okay. Except to say hello at an event one day, I wouldn't know. Do you think maybe. Look, I'm not going to put your guy's friendship or lack thereof on trial here. What I'm really trying to get is do you think that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene defecting from the Republican base and now critiquing the president? Do you think that's part of a larger shift within the Republican base? And specifically within young Republicans being anti-war? Well, I think I said that earlier when I said you went from 95 percent of Republicans to 70 percent of Republicans, I think there is a shift going on. And I think that shift is only going to get more significant as the rest of his second term goes on. And if she's a part of that, I sense with her it may have been more personal than it was philosophical. But however you want to go and give honest and effective critiques of the president, I'm in favor of if you're going to do it from an honest perspective and they're going to be relevant critiques not just at hominems. One of the things that I got to give you credit for is you are willing to go into the lion's den, the belly of the beast of your own party. And sometimes be booed. I want to show you a couple of clips of you going head to head with the Republican base. But I would love your thoughts about what kind of what's happening. Feel free, let's take a look. The conduct is beneath the office of president of the United States. and you don't. This is the great thing about this country, booing is allowed but it doesn't change the truth. It doesn't change the truth. Your anger against the truth is reprehensible. The problem is you fear the truth. The problem is you want to shout down any voice that says anything different than what you want to hear. Your anger at the truth is reprehensible. Boo. That's me with my parents at Thanksgiving. I'm telling you I'm like mom that is an AI photo of Keanu Reeves. Boo. And I go mom your anger at the truth is reprehensible. Oh I wouldn't have raised the AI photo of Keanu Reeves to that level but if you want to that school. For real, like in all honesty, for me as a comedian one of my biggest fears is bombing or getting booed on stage for you to go into your own base. These are your ostensibly your fans and go hey the way you're thinking about this is wrong. I got to give you credit but what in your life shaped that mentality? Very few politicians would be willing to do this. The way I was raised was that you you are who you are don't pretend to be something else. My mother used to say me all the time be yourself that tomorrow you don't have to try to remember who you pretended to be yesterday and I remember that lesson from my mom very clearly and I think that you know those moments were what I believed and I knew in both of those times both the debate in 2024 and then the Florida convention that was in 23 in Kissimmee, Florida. Yeah. I knew I was going in there to get a round of applause but what was your goal? What was the goal was to make them hear it? Someone needed to say it. I mean one of the biggest reasons I ran in 2024 was you get lots of people in my party who will whisper to you in green rooms at cocktail parties but they won't say that loud. Yeah. I was going to be the guy to say it out loud because it's what I believed but you also still believe you must have a belief that you can turn the room as well. Did you believe that you could turn the room? No, not that day. You have to have a long-term view of this and I have a long-term view of it. I think it'll turn but it's not going to turn that day but you got to start laying the groundwork. It doesn't happen like that. So you're telling your team, look I'm going to sit in the shed. They're going to put this on TikTok. I'm going to get meamed but I have a long-term vision that there's some some let's call it Mitt Romney version of the Republican Party that I'm fighting towards. I'm trying to connect with the rational, reasonable Republican base. Yeah, my team was thrilled that I was willing to do it. That's why they were my team. Well, certainly not all of them right now. Probably not a majority of them right now. But you know what you know what forces people to have to listen to the truth? Losing. Losing forces you politically not have to listen to the truth and I think we're on our way to a monumental defeat as a party in the 2026 midterms and when that happens I think people for practical reasons will begin to re-evaluate whether they really want to continue to hear the things that led to the losing or they want to hear some different ideas. Do you really think the Democrats have a chance to win the 2026 midterms in a major way? Well, I think they'll win the House and frankly I think they've got a better chance at the Senate today than I thought they would have given the map and if Ken Pax and the Attorney General of Texas wins his primary against Senator Corden, then I think it puts Texas in play as well in the Senate. So they can have any enhanced chance of that. One of the things that people have said about you is that you are right now this democratic party whisperer. You're making allies and you're the same way you coach Donald Trump at 2016 and 2020. Sometimes you also reach out to Democratic leadership to give them advice. I've always reached out to Democratic leadership always. What type of advice would you give them right now as they prep for the midterms? Stop talking about Donald Trump. Start laying out for people what you would do differently. And I think too many Democrats, I think this was Kamala Harris' biggest mistake in 2024, where she spent all this time talking about what a threat to democracy Donald Trump was. The people who believed that and it was their most important issue. We're already voting for her. She needed to talk to that slice of independence, disaffected Republicans and skeptical Democrats. They're probably amounted to about eight to 10% of the voters who were like, we really don't want Trump again. Biden was a failure. Tell me how you're going to be different. We talked about the view. I mean, I never saw a Democratic politician go on the view and cough it up as badly as she did. You know, when they say where can you tell us the way you'd be different than President Biden? And she said, I can't think of one, you know. I mean, that was a laugh. She blew a laugh. Yeah, totally blew it. But worse continued it as she went on. So I think, you know, people in the Democratic Party, if they want to be successful, need to speak to something other than Donald Trump. The Donald Trump case for most Democrats and Democratic leaders have been made. It's over. It's been made. What you need is get to win. Is that swath of independence who say, we don't trust either of you. What are you going to tell me? What are you going to show me to allow me to trust you? In a recent interview, you said that the problem with the Democrats is they have no new good ideas. So I'm going to throw you some ideas that Democrats could adopt. And you tell me if you think they're good ideas. Okay. Because I'm in agreement with you. The public and the populist want to build towards something. So how about this? You tell me if this is a good idea or not. Stop Congress from trading stocks. Good idea. Fantastic. Medicare for all. No. No. I do not believe in the government running the entire healthcare system. Cut the Pentagon budget. No. Universal child care. Universal child care paid by the taxpayers. Is that what you're saying? Look, I think every child should be cared for. Yes. Are you telling me that that should all be paid for by the taxpayers? Yes. No. Aren't they all of our? No, they're not all of our children. They are. This is a sign we live in. I'm totally not. No, they're not. I'm down to pay. They're not all. They're not all our children. They're not. I'm down to pay for other people's kids. I promise you. You already are. You already are. Through taxes you pay locally at the state level. But you're asking about universal child care to be paid for for every child by the taxpayers. And my answer is no. Okay. I disagree. Fabulous. Abolish ice. No. Okay. How about this? Just run it the right way. And I know you're going to do this. How about run it the right way? Okay. So how about this is all I'm saying is when I see a Dodge caravan pull up with people and ski masters grabbing that older Mexican ladies. That's running it the wrong way. That's running the wrong way. Okay. Immigration and customs enforcement has a legitimate purpose in our country. It's not being used that way now because the president is using it illegitimately. And I would argue illegally governor. I have two dudes that I went to high school with that have joined ice. Let me tell you. It's not the brightest of the bunch. That's all I want to say. Hey, I can only speak to what I know. I don't regret bad hiring practices by the Trump administration. That bureaucracy obviously, you know, the chainsaw didn't cut that part out. Get the government to produce generic versions of life-saving drugs. Get the government to produce someone. Yes. No. What's the government know about producing generic life-saving drugs? What do they know? You can't make the experts at the government. You can't do. You're going to trust you're going to take that drug. I'd rather have it produced by people who have degrees that actually know what they're doing. My mother's a physician. She does watch this on YouTube and governor. She will probably be inviting you to Thanksgiving. I'm telling you, the government can make a CVS branded acetaminophen. If CVS can do it, if you can do it, it's not a name brand. A life-saving drug. Is that what we got going now? Okay. That acetaminophen is what I'm saying. You can make money from fever as we speak. You can make non-name brand insulin. This can be something that can be provided to the people. The fact that it is astronomically higher in Canada is insane, governor, with all due respect. It what's astronomically higher in Canada? The price of insulin here in America is absolutely high. I didn't want you to be looking stupid. So I wanted to make sure I helped you out there. I appreciate that. It's astronomically higher in the United States of America. Yeah. And it's much lower in Canada. And I'm saying that what I'm saying is you and we do the RC Cola. By the way, the Canadian government doesn't make the insulin. Okay. Your question was, have the government make a life-saving drug generic life-saving drug. I don't trust you. We have someone actually listen to you and I took your question. Literally. Thank you. What if the government pays for it? How about that? So the right people make it. The government pays for it. The government pays for a lot of it now through Medicare, Part D, and Medicaid for people who are most in need are elderly and are impoverished. And I think that that should continue. Okay. Prevent. I don't think they need to pay for it for me and you, though. You got a nice suit there. We don't need to get out of here. Yeah. Don't pay for me. Governor, I've said this. This is the same way I feel about universal childcare. My kids are totally fine. I am totally down for every child care. They child care for those who need it. That's a different story. You're saying you're using words that apply everyone. And I don't think people who are doing very well in this country should have the government taking over paying for their drugs, paying for their child care. I should pay for my prescription drugs. So should you. I should pay for my child care. So should you. - Okay, how about this? Let me pitch a better way to do it. 'Cause I know you can get caught into the talking points of it. - Here's the talking points. I'm just listening to your question and answering. - How about this? - I got it. You've had this with friends. But if you need it, I got you.gov. And I feel like child care is a need, health care is a need. I'm good. - I got you.gov. - If you need it, I got you.gov. - Not only if you need it, but if you show that you can't pay for yourself. - Sure. - Well, that's what Medicaid is and expanded Medicaid, which I expanded in New Jersey. That's what Medicare is for the elderly who are now on a fixed income and need it. - We have that stuff now. Preventing politicians from profiting off of former connections that they had while they were in office once they leave office. - I mean, conceptually sure, you know, but for how long and how do these folks do what they do when they get out, but conceptually, yeah, I'm no problem with that. - Okay. I mean, look, I appreciate that. - Well, I'm sure you know-- - Because I know life's more fun when you get in on the action. - Yeah, well, yeah, I know. Very nice. So I worked for DraftKings, congratulations. And by the way, that wasn't a connection that I made when I was in government. - I'm just saying the timeline is pretty interesting. - Why would it be so interesting to you? - It was, it was, I mean, the paint was drying. I mean, it was literally, it was pretty short after you leaving office, which is interesting. It's just an interesting-- - Well, I couldn't take any jobs while I was in office. That's all I'm saying, governor. - I'm confident you have, but I don't know what the relevance of it is. - All right. The relevance is, by the way, some of the stuff that we've kind of but it had his heads on. And look, you're probably gonna run for office again. I'm telling you, this is me to you with all due respect. These are popular policies. - With an understanding of the public. - Just because something's popular, if you don't favor it, this is the problem with your view of politics. If it's popular, you should be in charge of it. That's why you like Bernie Sanders. That's what populism is. Leaders listen to what's popular and then just do it whether they think it's good or not. That to me is not what leadership is. Leadership is using the judgment you developed over time to make decisions on behalf of people 'cause we don't have a direct democracy. We have a republic. You elect people to use their judgment and to make decisions. And if you don't like the judgment, the exercise, you can vote them out. So what you're saying is, when you say Democrats should adopt good policies, you don't mean popular policies. Do you mean basically Republican policies? - No. - No. And in fact, I agreed with a number of things in there that would be called Democratic policies. So no. - Is there anything that would make you vote for a Democrat? - Sure. - Sure there is. - Yeah. - What collection of issues do you think? - It would depend on the people. - Really? - I vote for the people. - So if there is a Democrat who is running, who I vote. - Give me your Infinity Stones. It can just be five. It's just five. - It's five Infinity Stones. - Explain Infinity Stones. I don't know what they are. - Infinity Stones, so in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Thanos collects the Infinity Stones, which is his way of basically ending all of civilization. What I'm trying to do is I'm talking a positive version of it, which would be a way to help all of American civilization. What are your Infinity Stones? So mine would be like universal childcare, healthcare, education, and two more that I'd probably ask my sister for advice on. - Honesty, integrity, strong national defense, a safety net for those who are underprivileged, and a legal system that makes sure that justice is done fairly and equitably for everyone. Honesty and integrity, you could collapse that into one. - There's two different things. - That's great. - One of the things that you've talked quite a bit about is this idea of people being politically talented. You're very good at identifying who is politically talented and who isn't. What does politically talented mean to you? - At its basic core, the ability to connect with people. - Okay. Now there's lots of others, but at its core, that is the indispensable part of political talent. You can add onto it with other abilities, but to me, the indispensable part of political talent is the ability to connect with other people. - Can you share this Bill Clinton story because you famously said Bill Clinton was incredibly politically talented? - Use the gold standard. - Okay. - In my opinion. - A lot of people who watch the show know Bill Clinton basically as the dude who essentially fell asleep during the Democratic National Convention, that has recently become vegan. And then for some reason, there's way too many photos of him getting massages at airports by women that aren't his wife. That's what they know him as. Again, I'm a 90s baby. I grew up in the 90s. I'm talking about fiscal surplus. Everyone in the Sacramento area has a Ford Explorer or Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer addition. This was the golden age of America or was my childhood and I'm just having reasons to bias. That thing said. - Probably a little bit of both. - Tell your Bill Clinton story that made you say, - It was the first time I met Bill Clinton in person. As it happened, it was at Donald Trump's wedding, to Melania. You forgot that part of the story. Or maybe you didn't, you're just feigning. - No, no, I'm doing it for the reaction shot. I knew it. - Okay. - Now the response, if I really wanted to get a cook and was witch wedding. But I don't want to derail you. - You are professional. - So we were at the wedding with Bill and Hillary. - Yep. - Don King, Shaquille O'Neill, Tony Bennett, Billy Joel. It was quite the- - Heavy hitters. - I would put it as quite the menagerie. I like that one, okay. Bill and Hillary were two of the guests. And during the cocktail hour, there's probably about 300 people at the wedding. During the cocktail hour, I observed two things. No one knew who I was. I was the- - They didn't know who you were. - No, 'cause I was the relatively new. This was in January of 2005. I was watching. It gave me an opportunity not to participate, but to observe, okay. And what I observed was at one point, Bill and Hillary cut, Hillary, there were pillars in the room. Hillary stood with her back to a pillar with a staff member with her. And she was receiving people for handshakes and photos. And then they were being moved away from her. Her husband, the former president of the United States, was working the room. He was going for person to person to person and stopping and speaking to them. And I said to my wife, that's why he was a two-term president, and she never will be. - In that room. - In that room at that time. I said she'll never be president. And the reason she'll never be president is, she expects like a queen. - Yeah. - Everybody to come to her. When he who has been president twice is walking around at every person in that room to say hello and to talk to him briefly. A minute, minute and a half. - Now, he came up to you. - He did. - What do you say? - My wife and I. - He said, "Hah, Bill Clinton, what's your name?" And I said, "I'm Chris Christie, Mr. President. It's an honor to meet you." And he said, "Chris, what do you do for him?" And I said, "I'm actually the United States attorney in New Jersey." Oh my goodness, I always wanted that job. I always wanted to be US attorney. Never got to be it. You know how I was attorney general of Arkansas? Of course, governor of Arkansas, president, of course it. But I always wanted to be US attorney. It wasn't an amazing job. And I said, "It is a great job, sir." And he then turned to my wife and he said, "Sweetheart, what's your name?" And she said, "My name is Mary Pat." She said, "Mary Pat, what do you do for a living?" And she said, "Well, so I work on Wall Street." While he was shaking her hand, he turned over shoulder to where I was. And he said, "You dog, beautiful and rich." Okay, then, at that time, he calls you a dog. Yeah, he's shaking her hand. And he is rubbing her other forearm with his hand. And he says to her, "Darling, let me tell you "some of Pat your husband." And she's US attorney, he's an ambitious guy. That means he's gonna have a career in this business after this, but the only way he could be successful, if he has a good woman who knows how to treat him right. I'm sure you are. But she goes, "Well, I do my best, Mr. President." And he said, "Well, it's such a pleasure to meet both of you." Really, really, really, really mean it. And thank you, and have a great time tonight. Boom, walked away. My wife looked to me after that and she goes, "I never voted for him, neither time, "but I can see why people say he's charming." Because in that moment, she said, when he was talking to her, she felt like there was nobody else in the room. He was locked on her eyes, he's rubbing her arm, he's complimenting her, and then he boom, like the wind, he was gone, a lot to the next. He has an amazing ability to connect with people. He all the questions were about us. Yeah, no comments about himself other than he always wanted to be US attorney Yeah, this ability to connect with people very quickly. Did you also feel charm? Well, it a bit because of who he was you know, I I have admiration for you know Someone who gets to the presidency, but yeah, you can't help but like him and I've seen him any number of times after that and he's the same kind of charming He remembers things about you that are kind of crazy that he remembers and um, and I think he's the kind of guy who can definitely charm and each arm me for sure. It's your basically saying he's cool and charming At least at least those two things if and certainly a number of other things have you hung out with a black dude before Sure And with all the respect governor. There's two black dudes that work at CVS downstairs They're way cooler than Bill Clinton They remember everything about me. They very well may be but they were president in one sentence They'll hit me they go hey, what's up? I browse I saw that YouTube short you did with Mady Hassan in One second yeah in one sentence. They summarized the content that I've done as of a couple months ago And they identified me by my bushy brows tremendous, but I feel great about myself I think that's an interesting analogy, but not necessarily act alright, but you know, I'm saying But you're a comedian, so it's good. I'm saying the dudes at work at CVS are funnier than 85% of the comedians I know and they're more charming than 100% of the politician's difference Here's the difference with the guys at CVS and you and Bill Clinton You get up on the stage and do it in front of a whole bunch of people. It's a lot easier to do it One-on-one check the people who can do that the one-on-one thing and do the thing in front of 100 different thousands of people. That's a different talent. Who are the politicians that you see right now that have that Political skill of being incredibly charming Clinton level political skill the Clinton level political talent in your I don't see anybody right now. Where's that level of talent? You don't think that the that Zorn Mamdani What he pulled off was a level of talent in a political tenacity. Oh, it was clearly was, but I don't think Bill Clinton sustained that level of ability over a long period of time while also Getting himself in, you know all sorts of different jams, right, but with jams is a nice way to describe impeachment. Thank you It was more than a pizza for his jams sure sure quite the pickle. He got himself in a number of problems Number of pickles and was able to in fact continue to sustain His connection with people. Yeah, and we'll see if Zorn could do that if you can see you don't see That chance she's certainly very charming. I Don't find her charming, but if you do, that's good She's won in a congressional district. He was elected president of the United States, and she's won in a District it's impossible to lose in so yeah, I would give mom dotty much much more credit than aOC so In conclusion, I just wanted to kind of wrap it up here. You gave Donald Trump an A on Hannity for his job as president Yeah, what grade would you give me for this interview? Oh, I'd give you probably a minus Some of your stuff is imprecise, but other than that. Yeah, you got it. You look. I could have tightened it up Look, I could have tightened it up like the people on January 6th did. Well, you could have done a whole more effective in my mission Well, you could have been more you you said I think you've been very effective in your mission I think you're either selling yourself in that way my minus would have only been four, you know Some of the language to use it was a little bit loose that you got to go back and take that is that is a use of language But other than that, I think you've been pretty good in your mission Absolutely, you know what governor? I got to say and I want and I really want to say this genuinely I want to say thank you for coming on the show We've been trying to get you on the show for a long time. I appreciate how you're willing to grapple and deal with difficult subject matter and I appreciate you Engaging with both sides of the aisle It's and I appreciate you dealing with Joy Bay are because she has been tough on me and she won't come on the show Joy will talk about this show We've been trying I don't understand why we've been trying you you too I think would be a would be an interesting interview to watch Because she's you know she has her own Tedacity to her as well. She's a scrapper as well. She's scrapper. She's scrapper But you know look I think that the you know the aim minus in the interview for me shows you two things one that I'm willing to listen to anybody who has some credible things to say sitting across from me and two that Probably an easy greater That is true Governor do you mind do me a favor? Do you know who Ronnie Chang is the comedian Ronnie Chang? I've heard of him, but I I don't know you don't need to research any further He was named after Ronald Reagan. Wow. Can you sign this book in his honor? About this how about if I do better Because whoever got that book for Ronnie obviously cheap gets him the paperback. Yeah, yeah, I've got some hard covers of that You want the hard cover? No, no, no, no. You need the hard cover. I'm going to provide the hard cover for Ronnie. So you give me governor, he doesn't need it. Oh, no, remember, we want to provide people who need it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Charlie gave it, pardon me, charitably, I could provide. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're going to be in precise what you did. So you give me either I can send it here or if you feel free, give me Ronnie's address, I will send a side copy of the book, but a hard cover book for Ronnie. If he's named after Ronald Reagan, he deserves hard cover. I'll get it. Okay. I'll have you send him the hard cover. The fabulous. And you know what? He hates putting his address on the internet. I'll gladly repel. I'll put out on the internet. No reason for you to put out on the internet. I'll do that. No, it's not requested. I would. What? It was not requested to put out on the internet. Okay. It was to give it to me. Sure. And having been US attorney, I know how to treat things with the utmost confidence, reality. Okay. But if anyone is to be uncomfortable about that, sure, I'll send it to this place. Sure. And then you can give it to Ronnie. Yeah. Whichever way. But I don't want Ronnie to be sitting around with a paper. All right. And as we know, that's outrageous. Again, as we know, kind of American elected officials have never had their emails hacked. So it'll be super tricky. Again, what I said to you is give it to me. I didn't say e-mail to me. You want me to write it down on paper? That would be something that would be very secure. That sounds good. If you want to, because I know you're concerned about security, may screw up your show. Yeah. But on the other hand, yeah, if you're genuinely concerned about Ronnie's security, you give it to me out of piece of paper. And then, yeah, I will have it absolutely thrown into a fireplace and burnt so that no one will ever have that that doesn't deserve to have that address. Governor will do it. No, I have it. I think it's safe to say you love Ronnie Chang. Let me say this. I don't know Ronnie Chang, but I love the fact that he was named after Ronald Reagan. And I treated with enough respect to know that I'm going to get the paper back. Bring him the hardcover. Cheepo. Let's get him the hardcover. That's not right. I'm the cheapskate. Smell it good. Look it. Nice suit. Great shoes. Smell it a couple of bucks. Is it good to be in this interview? Yeah. I'm giving you the book. Not you. I'm giving it to Ronnie. Give it to him. You can keep that one if you want. And do whatever you might want with it. Governor Chris Christie. Thank you for being on the show. Awesome. Thank you very much. It's been a long time. Come and ladies and gentlemen. I told you guys, this guy will scrap. My man will scrap. They don't build him like you, Governor. Well, you know, many, many would say that it's good that they go, but I, you know, I enjoy who I am. I'm sorry right away. Only ladies are fit. Hey.