Hannah Crosbie

Live from WSA. This is expense account. I'm Jay Lee. Today's guest is Hannah Crosby. She is one of my favorite wine writers. Her writing is accessible, funny, and actually useful for regular people, which is rare for wine writing. We had a really fun conversation about her favorite drinks at Clan Dostino, UK festivals, Charlie versus Dua, the Bangaboyes, pubs, and the Ghost of Christmas pass. I think you'll enjoy. Cheers. Hannah Crosby, welcome to the podcast. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. So you're visiting New York. I am. How long are you here for? This is going to be my third day, and then I fly home tomorrow. I have to fly home early because of work. And then it's never enough. It's never enough time. It's a short trip. Yeah, it's quite classy. How many times have you been here? I think this might be my fourth time, but because I'm such a creature of habit, like every time I visit, kind of, full is the exact same formula. I always go to the exact same places. I hate trying things new. Sound your story that you're Clan Dostino. Yeah. How did you find yourself a Clan Dostino? When the first place. Yeah, yeah. That's what regular places. Yeah. The first time I came to New York, I actually was here, here, so low, and I met three lads who are kind of fashion adjacent. And then I've got to go to Clan Dostino. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. Is it quite like a fashion e-spot? Yeah, you could say that, or it's just like we're a fuck boys, we'll hang out or I hang out there sometimes. I've been known to hang out there. Self-nomination. Not that I'm a fuck boy, but I've been there before. Lots of times. Too many times, probably. It was good fun. When I was walking into Clan Dostino, I realized that the last time that I was there, I actually didn't remember why I ordered, because I was asked what's good here. I was like, I don't actually know what's good here. What's good here? I kind of steam. What is good there? What is good there? Well, I kind of started to have sort of like crazy flashbacks. I kind of looked at the menu. I was like, God, nothing's really jogging my memory. Would you look at a menu at Clan Dostino? Wait, I was looking at like the things at the top. What did I order? What did I order? Well, last time I was here, I was like, I don't know. Maybe I'll just ask for like bold beers, like what bold beers do you have? Oh, we've got medallos. Oh, my God, it's like come back to me. I just got absolutely fucked on medallos last time I was there. Yeah, that's usually the case. And then there's like a really freaky, weird kind of like clattery bar that's kind of across the way. What's it called? I was trying to figure out what it's called. You mean like, there's forget me not? And there is Baccarone? It's kind of like covered in stickers. Oh, forget me not. Forget me not. Yeah, we also went there. Nice. I also can't remember much about that. You did the Times Square tour. Yeah, the Times Square tour. Nice. And we're also be bends since you've been here. Well, I said, I've been. I went to baby blues luncheon at this morning. Where's that? It is coming up to Bedford Avenue. Montrose. Montrose. Montrose. Yeah. I did the Scottish. Montrose. Oh, your Scottish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever met this. I'm trying to think of ever met a Scottish person being English. Yeah. I don't think I've ever met a Scottish person. I can't think of a single Scottish person. Really? I definitely don't have any Scottish people in my phone book. You know, I don't. Yeah. That's true. You're my first. Oh, thank you. An honor. Yeah. We're all great. I wasn't actually having this conversation with some the other day about Scottish international Scottish representation. And how on the whole is pretty nice. It's almost famous. Well, this is the thing. So in something like Lord of the Rings, like all about the gross little goblins or Scottish Northern and all the gorgeous stature scallops or English. But then apart from that, you have Shrek fat bastard and I'm Arthur from Baby reindeer. There are no positive Scottish role models. But there's not like, there's not an actor. Oh, I mean, there's loads of actors, but they never do Scottish actors. James McAvoy. Oh, yeah. McAvoy. Yeah. James McAvoy loads of Scots. I can't think of right now. But we haven't really had like the same sort of like cool thing that's happened with Irish actors and celebrities and talent. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe our time will come or maybe we're always destined to be worth from Baby reindeer. Paul Mescal. Paul Mescal. Yeah. Yeah. They're really, really big Irish. It's coming. It'll be you. Yeah. So, yeah. So wait, I'm sorry. I keep getting distracted about Scottish representation. No, it's my fault. Where else did I go going to King tonight for the second time? Nice classic. Last time I went to King was after I just kind of hung out there and poured some wine for the first four hours of the evening, which is really good for working. I wasn't working. I wasn't working for yourself. I have an Esther. No, I was I was just pouring wine for them. I just wanted to hang out there and kind of see what it was like. That's cool. It was really good. You just go around and pour wine. I pour wine for free. I poured sparkling wine so like in the front bar bit for a few hours. That's really good fun. What you just ask to do that. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I think maybe I think maybe Annie got in touch. That's cool. And she said, oh, no, I'm going to do something. Next time. Next time I'll let you know. I was saying you got to get the grasshopper. It's like one of my favorite cocktails. Explain it to me again. I don't really know exactly what it is. It's like kind of like a, you know what a Thin Mint is. Yeah. It's like a mint chocolate cookie. Do you have a afterwards here? No. That sounds familiar. It's like a branded Thin Mint in the UK. Yeah. It's like a Thin Mint is a cocktail, which sounds maybe gross, but it's it's also cost like $35 something, but it's delicious. It's like, it's like it's such a treat. It's such a nice. It's like cream. It's like cream and cream to mint. And then they make some kind of like a, the core out of pigs that they do. It's kind of white chocolate thing. It sounds disgusting, but it's, trust me, that it's amazing. And it's great to share like it after dinner as it deserves. It sounds festive. Yeah. It's it is that time of year. Yeah. It's a time of year when we were walking to Central Park yesterday. I walked from Barry to Central Park, which nearly killed me and I had a bit of a tantrum. But when we got to the top and you kind of passed like your back door of good mons and your sacks is, it was crazy. People already outside handing out leaflets for Christmas. After Halloween, I think it's like officially that you can start Christmas. Really? Yeah. Is that is that what happens here? It's not like a wall, but it's like, it may as well. Yeah. But it's like, that's the thing. After Halloween, you start Christmas. I mean, we have Thanksgiving, but there's not really much to core for Thanksgiving. No. There's turkeys, but you know, no one decorates for Thanksgiving. It's like Thanksgiving is kind of like a free game for Christmas, basically. Right. Is the Christmas a hassle? If you don't, Thanksgiving. I have done Thanksgiving before. I have an American friend. Wow. No Americans. I don't know. You know what? Oh, Becca. Yeah. Yes. She's Becca has Thanksgiving meal pretty much every year. And she does a pumpkin spice afogato for dessert as well as like, she's an incredible cook. So as well as like lots of other things, but the pumpkin spice afogato just really stands out in my memory. Never had a pumpkin spice afogato. Yeah. Need to make one. Becca interviewed me for her sub-stack. She was asking me about sex in the city. Because my handle is Carrie Bradshaw. So she was asking me if people are always asking me about sex in the city and they are. And I do actually really relate to Carrie Bradshaw as a character. Just maybe in being like self-obsessed and like having a main character syndrome. I feel like I feel like a lot of writers have that. You have to have that a little bit. Yeah. You think, I guess you haven't watched sex in the city though. I haven't. No. I'm like this naturally. You got to watch it because I was going to ask you which character you are because that's the thing that's fun about it is that everyone is one of the four girls. Okay. Right. Fine. Maybe I am the one who's a writer then. But I think that, you know, what was it? That's Carrie. Carrie's the writer. I did watch the latest naked gun. Was that good? That was a joke. Some of it was good. Some of it was all right. But some of it was really, really good. And they had a joke where he said, I know the Miranda rights. It was like, no, Miranda doesn't write. Carrie writes. Samantha's the whore. And yeah, it was just like a really strange guy. I was like, I think I get it now. It's not a good joke. No, no, there are no good jokes in it. But it was like some of the most entertaining stuff I've ever seen. If you want to see Liam Eason in like a plaid mini skirt, never really had that impulse, but I don't know. It sounds like a good plane movie or something. It is a good plane movie. Exactly. I think if it's on the plane, then you definitely need to watch it. So what did you do yesterday? What did I do yesterday? So yeah, went up to Central Park, had a little walk around there. And then in the evening, what did I do? Where did we go? Oh my gosh. Okay. So yeah, last night I got so, yeah, okay. It kind of seems like every time I come to New York where cannabis is legal, recreational medicinal or otherwise. I tend to get so high. It's very strong, very potent. I'm just like lying there to myself trying to invent like new colors. No, no, I didn't I'll let you know next time, but kind of forgetting like some snacks, the person that I'm with has never been to America before. So we were like making like twinkies and perches. And I saw those kind of soda. And it said, oh, it had THC in the UK. We have things that have really been doing all the time. It's crazy. They're just at the normal bodega that you could just buy it. You're not able to do that usually. I mean, it's not legal, but it's like, it's not legal. But it's like, I don't think the cops are going around and like opening up cans of soda and like doing like a drug test on them or something. Yeah. Anyway, we've got two cans of that like kind of thinking that it was bullshit. Yeah. Turn out to be very much not bullshit. I was kind of like sitting mind like very dainty and co-catishly. And the person I was with, Jack, the whole thing in one go. and then got so fucking high, like 20 minutes later, they begged me to drink the whole of mine so that I could be as high as they were. (laughing) And yeah, and then I kind of just started laughing. I watched "Selling Sunset" and I just started laughing. (laughing) - That sounds like a fun New York experience. - Yeah, it's very, very New York. There was a guy that sort of like came in the background of a shot that looked so strange in out of place, I just burst out laughing. I was like, "Please don't show me anyone "that looks like this guy, when I'm really, really high." - I mean, it's lucky that it like hit you immediately or hit you like in the moment because I've had it where it's like, I'm like, okay, it's not doing anything or like I have another-- - Yeah, all this adivalent shit. - Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, yeah, and then I'm like, I remember one time I had to go to, like I made a weed hot chocolate for my girlfriend at the time, and I was like, I guess I didn't make it right or something, I drank it and went to sleep and I woke up and I could like barely walk. And I had to go, I was like, a barista at the time and I had to go work at my barista job and I got there and I was like, I was like, barely functioned and then I had to go sit outside for the entire shift. And then I got home and I opened my computer and it's like, it said, I'd Googled how to not be high. (laughing) - I mean, really just happy people, like strange things. - It was like, honestly, the scariest, like, I really thought I was gonna have to go to the hospital or something. So everyone believes that they're built different. And then when it happens, yeah, we're not built different when it happens. We all believe that weed is the thing that will kill us specifically. Like it's never happened before, but no one's ever been this high. - Surely someone, one person. - Surely people, it's scary, surely a heart attack. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Maybe, but that was a fun way to spend last night. - That's a very, that's a New York experience. The BoDega, the THC, join. - Yeah, getting fucked on the side of it. You're doing clandestino, just drinking weed, eating pancakes, you're having a very, like, certain experience of New York City. - Yeah, what? - Okay, and we went to French out earlier. - Yes, we did. - So you're doing the high and the low. - I'm doing the high and the low, yeah. And then, yeah, King tonight in French out today. - Yeah. - It felt really, really good. Been really, really, really fast. And I reread that article about reservation sculptors. - Oh, yeah. - We read it last night while we were trying to figure it where to go tonight for dinner. We also went to Cafe Himalaya. - Oh, fun. - We went to Cafe Himalaya. And, 'cause we were queuing outside. - Yeah. - The person I was saying was there's just like, this tradition in America to our people happy to queue. Is it not sort of like an online system? - Yeah. - People just generally happy to queue and wait for tables to be there. And I only remembered that article. It was so fascinating. There's that final scene where they meet someone. I can't remember. It's that pizza spot that Jay-Z loves. And you have to stand outside. They don't do a reservation system, be pasta. Yeah, then you go to stand to the queue and it turned out the first five people know. - It's not worth waiting in line. - Really? - I mean, I've gone there and then I've like, put my name down and then I've like gone bowling and like seen a movie and go back and it's like 10.30 p.m. That's when I finally get to sit. And then it's like, is it ever worth waiting that long? I don't know. - No. - Do you don't like queuing for food? - No. I have a really embarrassing thing that happened to me recently where there's this new chicken finger place. It's by the owners. You went to Tidiner the other day, right? - I did. - The owners of Tidiner opened a chicken finger restaurant. It's called Mommy Pays. It's very good. And I went there like on the first day, thinking that maybe the line was gonna be short on the first day. And I wound up having to wait in line almost three hours. But once you start, once you wait in line for like an hour, you're like, okay, I've been in line for an hour. I'm almost there. - I know. - And then you're like there for two hours. I got to the front of the line and it was like two hours. And then the food took another half an hour. But then they made a video on Eater that's like some girl that's like being like, these yummy tarot donuts. Check it out. It's like a funnel cake. And I'm standing in the background just like holding my tray. Just like waiting for it. 'Cause I thought she was about to get off. I was like waiting for it to leave and just like tapping my foot, like being like just staring, staring at her like so like angry. Just like hoping she was gonna leave her seat and also just starving and just like having wait in line for three hours. - Oh my goodness. - And then all these people are like commenting, like adding me and the Eater thing. I asked them to take it down. They didn't take it down. - Yeah. - I am immediately searching that as soon as it was broadcast. I always worry about being in the background of things like this. - Yeah. - I should be legal. - It should be illegal. Also, I've kind of noticed we don't do this so much in the UK, but the influencer, rational influencer seems much. It's like a similar beast, but slightly different. When we were in Tidino, there was this woman who came with like our full lighting set up. Apparently that is what I think here. People come with like our lighting things. It was also like the middle of the day. It was a live on a clock. There wasn't no light. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't really understand that. - What's the economy? - Yeah, I think so. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we're in a room and people are trying to get surround us. - Yeah, originally I was like, "Oh, it would be fun to do the podcast like a restaurant." And then I was like, "Actually, it's too embarrassing." We were a French ad today and it's like, "We have all this light, it's like I'm already bashful enough." Okay. But I think that people do do that. I'm still learning about this. And I'm trying to figure out if these people make money doing that. - This is going to be my next question. What's the economy thing? Is it just sort of like a PR kind of like influencer loop where like the PR can then show stuff to their clients? Like, "Oh, this person visited this many followers or do people just kind of like go in, pay for their own meals and then kind of post it with the hopes of getting paid stuff for what's the economy?" - There's so many like, nefarious economies. Like, it's hard to like, especially in New York City. - It's hard to figure out people like, "Actually have jobs where everyone just wants a hobby." - Yeah. - I think that are a free meal. I talked to Mike Chow. He's one of the more popular New York City food influencers. He's called Food Baby on Instagram. He has a full-time job like a good job. He kind of just does it for the love of the game. But he gets free food. Sometimes he says he doesn't make money. I believe that. I think some people are getting paid. Someone told me the other day there's a restaurant person. They said they were DMed by like a food influencer. And they asked for the influencer. I was like, "Hey, I'd love to make a video at your place and the person asked for $3,000." I can't remember who this was. Maybe making it up. Yeah. I think people are doing that. I mean, some of these videos can make a break your restaurant. So I guess it's advertising or something. Oh, I mean, I guess you can think about it that way. But do people just kind of. Are people receiving the restaurants have $3,000 to spare? I mean, some of them do. Some of them do. I mean, every restaurant has PR, Peeb and New York at least. Not every restaurant, but lots of restaurants. I don't know. I don't know where money comes from. I'm still learning. Yeah, I was saying. I was like, I can't remember who was talking to the other day. But I said, I think it was maybe related to wine or it was related to food. I said, "Someone somewhere is making money." Yeah. I don't know who they are. But I think someone somewhere must be making some money. Yeah, surely. Maybe not. Maybe not. No, they don't. The expense account podcast is built in partnership with Substack. I've been spending a lot more time on the Substack app. It's become my favorite escape to scroll productively, and it's also where I've built my business. 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What kind of stuff are you talking about? You talking about like one review? I guess it's just like, you're always telling a story, and it's always like, this vineyard's been in the family for X amount of years, and then it's like, they use this kind of farming, which is boring, talking about farming. And then it's like, this tastes like this, which you, we don't know if it's going to taste like that to you, it's really subjective, so it's like, what's the point of even describing the flavor? It turns on the bottle often, too, and you can't even find half of the bottles that you're describing, so then it's like, who is it even for? I always liken the marketing and writing of wine similar to like selling perfume, because it's just an experience that you kind of just need to be there for, and how are you able to even kind of like get anyone kind of close to the sensation of drinking some of these wines? It is so sensual. It is so in the moment, and it's not just in the moment that you drink it, it's how you enjoy it for a period of time, or who you enjoy it with, what kind of food you enjoy it with, and it's impossible to kind of get a sense of that, get even a fraction of the sense of that across in kind of, in your writing. Yeah. I think that way I try and make it exciting and interesting, or kind of appeal to more people like me, or younger generations, is talking a little bit more about the context in which you enjoy it. I think that's why I kind of the the book that I did was kind of marrying. - What's the book called? - It's called Corker. - Corker. - Corker. - Corker. - Corker. - Corker. - And it was, they was kind of born from this idea, right? That we don't enjoy wine in a vacuum. But usually when you're talking about wines like this, it tastes like this and this is the story. It's like, yeah, but how do I, as a normal person, enjoy it in my life? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Corker was kind of like this book that was, had 60 different scenarios in which you might enjoy wine. And 60 different wines like they were completely like, you know, you can, obviously you can drink anything you want to drink with a takeaway or if you have a child. But I think that through that book, I was trying to get people to kind of really interrogate what we talk about when we are talking about learning about wine, because I think so many people drink wine on a casual basis, sometimes on a daily basis. But when I meet these people, what I'm doing events, and they'll say, oh, I drink wine like pretty much every day. It's like, oh, so you're really into wine then? Oh, no, no, no, no, I don't know anything about wine. And I kind of say like, oh, if you play chess every single day, it's like you kind of start to kind of buy all those things. - So if it's a sandwich every day, then I would say that they're a sandwich expert. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, well, she knows something about the sandwiches that you like to have. - You know the sandwiches that you like, I like ham on the sandwich. I like mustard, no mayo, or I like this kind of bread. But yeah, people don't feel like they have that kind of agency to say that about wine, even though they do know what they like. Or they don't know if they think it's a lack of vocabulary. - I think it's a lack of accent. I think it's also a lack of confidence. - Oh, yeah, that's what I was saying. - And wine makes it that way on purpose. - Yeah, well, we could go on to that. So many different things, but because people's tasting experiences don't take place in like enormous tasting rooms or with like hundreds of different wines or expensive wines, they don't think they're tasting experiences count towards kind of like appreciation or wider understanding of wine, but through outlining those 60 different scenarios of people do drink and kinds of different ones they could try then, it's sort of like a way to be like, no, actually every single experience is an opportunity to try something different. In terms of wine being made difficult to understand on purpose, I do remember a really, oh, I can't remember who wrote it. Really interesting article, or maybe it was someone I was having a conversation with. But this is one of the over-explaining and kind of like, make it like really, really baking it down in a molecular scientific way, wine. Kind of kills some of like, there's the mystery and the allure and the sexiness of wine. I think that also there is a fine line between mystique and sexiness with like, just impossible to penetrate and understand. - Yeah, I mean, it's like the record store thing, you know, where it's like everyone, it's like the any kind of like, area of expertise where it's like going to be like a nerdy kind of white guy is like, making it their job to be an alcoholic or whatever, they're gonna find a way to make it annoying, like an impenetrable to like a normal person. I remember like, when I was more into wine, like going out with people and ever would go around the table and everyone would be like, look at the list and pick out a bottle and it'd be like, the bottle would come and then everyone had to find like, basically a way to say that the wine that the other person picked sucked, you know? Like everyone's wine sucks except for the bottle that you pick. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. - But also, it's fun. I love to drink wine and hang out. - But this is the thing, wine is fun. I think that I roast at one point that, you know, if we're drinking a bottle of wine is, you know, country and feelings of fear and intimidation when it's supposed to be something fun and just to get drunk and enjoy with your friends, like we're kind of gone a bit wrong, really? - Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a paradox or something where it's like this thing that creates anxiety but it's also like alcohol so it's supposed to like, reduce anxiety. - Yeah, yeah. So you just come away feeling completely neutral. - Yeah, maybe that's it. - Yeah. - It's like a mood stabilized. - Yeah, wine, it's neutral, yeah. - But are your friends, are your friends with like, a lot of wine people, like are your friends like, what do they think about you like? - I have made a lot of friends since coming into the wine and she was so, I was copywriting before, and then that's sort of where I met my main wine friends. It's on the whole, like, for every, in this is in the UK, but for every kind of like, unfriendly, condescending person, there is, that doesn't lovely sweet people that kind of like want to chat and be passionate. So it's always full of like, really friendly faces in terms of my close friends. I do have one friends, but 80% of my friends are normal people. - I feel bad, like, my friends are so embarrassed when they bring out their bottle of wine or something. They think that I'm gonna be like, yeah, they feel like I'm gonna be a jerk about it and maybe sometimes I am. - Really? - Not intentionally. We were talking earlier about, like, I always make a face. - I make a face and I drink as well. 'Cause we're thinking, it's just my thinkers. - And also sometimes I don't like it. - Yeah. - No, but also I don't need to like it. That's like, I drink a vodka soda. Like, I don't like, I'm drinking sometimes not to taste. That sounds depressing. - No, I know what you mean. It's the same reason I adore Continental Lager. Like, it's just like, yeah. It's like my fault. It's just like, cleanses the palate. It tastes so good and I don't want to learn too much about that. - What are your friends scared of you? - Are my friends scared of me? - Or just like, like, do they think you're gonna judge them? - No. No, I don't think they think that. I think that my whole brand is-- - You're very nice. - My whole brand is not judging. And I am very nice. I think also if someone gave me like a bad wine, I'm not bad, but then what is bad wine? A wine that I personally wouldn't get or, you know, it's kind of like, it kind of tasted a bit like to commercial or sort of like to sugary. I'm not really too into kind of like off-dries, sort of like super market wines, which isn't like super market wine, the UK is getting a low spatter. But there's still a lot of these kind of things. But even if I do get that, it's like, oh, thanks so much. I'll have a glass. I don't know. - They always make you order. - Yeah. - That's a fun trick. - Yeah. - I feel like that's when I, when I first got into wine, I feel like that's all I really wanted from learning about wine is enough to be able to order confidently in front of my friends basically. - That's true. I haven't thought about that in a while. Yeah, I think that maybe when I was spoken to friends about it afterwards and they had, wow, it's crazy that you knew every bottle on that list. - No, no, no, no, it's not. No, it's just, I know enough to make an informed decision or my best guess about what this wine is probably going to taste like. These wines are designed for you to know. I mean, like, I'm such a francophile, but like these wines are designed to taste more or less very predictable and the same. Like you know what a mercy is going to taste like. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Although I'm ordering very much mercy there. - Jason, what bottle of wine would you order with the Bolognese from Chipriani? - I might go for a silver oak, Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon. - And if I was going to order one of those really great stakes from Gage and Tolner and Brooklyn, what would you order off of that wine list? - I'm going to have to say a bottle of silver oak again. - And if I was going to order the Beijing Chicken at dinner with a group at Mr. Chao, what do you think the table would like? - I mean, I hate to say it, but a bottle of silver oak would be perfect with the Beijing Chicken. - If you're going out to dinner with your friends, this holiday season, there's a million different reasons to celebrate and it's even better celebrated with a bottle of silver oak. Shout out to silver oak, the presenting wine sponsor of expense account. - Is there a type of wine that you lean toward in your personal life? - Yeah, 100% reason all the time. - Reasoning, I've always wanted to do a reason guy. - Yeah, and not really just like, I feel like that's a higher level or something. - Oh. - Or not a higher level. There's like a certain type of wine person that's like a reason head that's like kind of like a wine person that I respect. - Yeah. - Like not so hype, like more like, they're like a nerdy or like deeper nerdy. - It's the one nerdy grape, yeah. - It's like very anti-hype. - Yeah. - And the bottles are more, you can get like a sick reason that's like not crazy expensive. - You can get a sick reason that's not crazy expensive. The labels are cute. It can be really, really good because for some reason, people that enjoy sweet wine think that all reason is dry and people that enjoy dry wine think all reason is sweet. Obviously, I'm talking about like, unprofessionals here. So I-- - Unprofessionals. - Non-professionals, what's it gonna say? - Obviously, I'm talking about non-professionals, but I really like the way the reason kind of challenges pretty much everyone's perceptions. And I think that I do sort of as a one-node, like the challenging note sort of something that's a little bit older. - I like the off dry styles. - Yeah. - I mean, I'm a psychic. So I like, I think the off dry beverages pair really well with good. - Yeah, really, really nice. The temper heat, well. - What's the, I like my favorite type of reasoning thing is like, you know, like gasoline and you really-- - Yeah, yeah. - What, you know, what is that? - Well, kind of like, petrily. - Yeah, what causes them? - It's just to do with the grape. - Yeah. - It's in the same way that kind of like, why does Giverström and other kind of small rose petals is just the great variety. - Why does-- - Why does it have-- - Why does it have blue? - You don't know? - I don't know, yeah. I still want to told me once when I was like 10, and I think I've probably found it so uninterested. - Like, science podcasts like, what, why win, I don't know. - Uh-huh. - Yeah, I don't know. But do you guys have white claw and-- - We do. - We have it. - We love it. - You love it. - We love it, yeah. It's fun to have a few music festivals. Fastenbury for one. - Really? - Yeah. - So they're big. - Yeah, they're big. - Yeah. - And mine's a hoopla, the kind of big game music festival. - Well, you're a festival girl. - Yeah, kind of. - We're festivals you go to this year. This year, I went to my to hoop club, which is really cool, so. headliners who was headlighting. The Vanga Boys were there. You know the Vanga Boys? They have more than this that one song. But they did loads of kind of like high BPM covers of songs. So it's kind of like a little karaoke moment. No, I think the very European. Yeah, I was going to say, what is Vanga? Where is it Spanish? Sure. Why not? Vanga Boys was good. Kesha was there. Yeah, Kesha. This is the weirdest bust. You're like the Vanga Boys in Kesha. I was just like a big gay festival. So I was just kind of like high camp. So Kesha was there. Kate Nash. Did you guys have Kate? Do you guys do Kate Nash here? I think I know who that is. Yeah, yeah. She had the hit foundations. And they're who headlined. Someone really, really big headline. I've completely forgotten. That's really embarrassing. But my hoop was really good fun. Actually, I got on the email today and I'm saying the headline is for next year. And Lily Album will be performing her entire album. Oh, well, you love this new album? Yeah, I listened to new album. I really like kind of a confessional. It's like like super confessional material. Yeah. So a couple of those songs are earworms. I didn't find it very catchy. Maybe that's not the point. It's more of like a concept. Yeah. See, everyone's been talking about Lily Aland. And I'm like, I'm like, did you think? Did you think? I don't remember her being a thing here, but I guess maybe, maybe I missed it. But yeah, everyone's integral. Like, I'm like, we need everyone to get into like soccer and formula one and stuff. I don't know. Maybe I'm just like, I'm like, older or something. No, there's something in love for everyone. But yes, so that will be really good fun for next year. And they've also got loads and loads of throwback stuff. They have, you guys, I feel like JLS is too much of a deep cut. JLS, there we go. It's a boy band from when I was a kid and they have a lot of big hits. But I'm very, very excited to see all them. It's going to be good fun. And then I did go to Glastonbury. Oh, nice. Is it sick? Is it sick? It's really sure. It was my first Glastonbury. I wore Welles and I got blister also the first day. So then I bought some trainers while I was there, which is such a stupid idea. But I did, I made the mistake of going too hard on the first night and then kind of being hung over for the entire rest of the thing. Like I got so drunk on the night that no one was even playing. I feel like that would be like festival 101. Yeah. Yeah. It's also camping and I really love. You have to get you sleep there? Yeah, you sleep there. So no one ever was like filthy? Well, I'm in some of the campsites that are our showers. You bring wine. Because of them, they're aren't brought back fast, decanted into plastic bottles. What is it? Buckfast. Okay, so it's like this. Buckfast? Buckfast. Buckfast. B-U-C-K-F-A-S-T. It's like a tonic wine. It's made by monks. What is a tonic wine? Like a remove? You know, it's like a really, really kind of like sweet wine. It's sort of like a like a magnum. Okay, okay. Yeah, like like magnum, sort of like the cherry magnums that you get. Oh, that's not an American thing either. Okay, um, I'm trying to find something I can relate to about this. Yeah, Buckfast, it's kind of like there's really, really strong kind of like sweet. Is it high alcohol? Yeah. Okay. And also people have like tonic wine to like, you know, it's basically like an aphrodisiac as well. But it's made in Devon, I think, or Cornwall, and that way. But it's a very spiritually Scottish thing. It's just so high alcohol and it gets you like really. Sounds like a hangover. Fucked up. Yeah, it gets you really fucked up. You get hangovers? Um, not so much. I won't ask how old you are, but yeah, I think that you're not old enough to get hangovers. Yeah, I'm 28. Yeah, I feel like everyone was telling me when I turned 27 that I was going to start getting hangovers and then I feel like my 27th birthday. Like started getting hangovers and now, yeah, it's like sucks. Yeah, I didn't believe them. I was like, you guys, I was like, I get hungover. Like, I'm like, I like, it was, I was just tired. I wasn't a pepper hungover. Now it's like depressed. Like, it's like a headache and depressed. They had like nauseous and like for like a few days. And it's several days, right? Yeah, you just don't feel like, you don't, you feel like just like, lazy and like, yeah. You feel like you are being punished. Yeah, which should be sometimes. I, yeah, it really sucks when there's like repercussions for your actions. Yeah. It's really like physical ones that like are brought on by you specifically. It's so funny though, because it's, I can't figure out really like what really, like sometimes I'll drink a lot and I won't be hungover. And then sometimes I'll drink just like two glasses of wine and I'll be hungover. It's impossible to know. There's no science. There's always a night so I'm drinking alcohol as well. It's so crazy how that happens. Why is it science like trying to like, why aren't they putting trillions of dollars into curing a hangover? There is a big fat in the UK right now to do with like Korean pair stuff. But the little sucky things. Yeah. The pouches that you could have beforehand. I think you can also get in like tablet form that prepares gone like really, really prepares the name for the brand. But they've gone, they've done really really well because people swear by it now. Teddy Kim, columnist for feed me, he actually has his own little hangover pill thing called last call. And I have not done it. But everyone says it works. I, I'm always wondering if he's like hangover, like cure things or I do this. I bought these ones in Japan called Miraglan and I think it works. But it's also like one of those things you could never know if it's like a placebo effect. Right. Or then when it doesn't work, I'm like, it's because I over did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then so it's like, I guess who cares if it works or doesn't work. No, I'm, I'm feeling a little better. Yeah, yeah. It must be the bells. Yeah. Yeah, I think that also, I don't know, I think sometimes we do need repercussions for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just otherwise we can just do it everywhere all the time and become monsters. Yeah, but I, I like repercussions. I rarely, I rarely have them, but I think it's important for some people. Yeah, I mean, if everyone could just be drunk all the time with no repercussions, like the world would be a terrible place full of annoying people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no one's the same kind of drunk. Shame is the worst repercussion though. Yes, yeah, shame. Yeah, that's the real one. That's like, but that's amplified. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the, that's the thing that really gets you as the shame. Do you feel shame? Don't I feel shame all the time? Really? All the time. I'm like, so I'm such an anxious person. I wouldn't guess it. But it's sort of like a, I don't know, shame for accidentally talking over someone when I didn't mean to. Oh, that's my problem. Oh, really? To come to terms with, especially on this podcast. Really? I know there's an ADHD sometimes. So don't be being ableist by judging my talking over you by being really. I was talking about my own shame. Yeah. I cannot speak on your shame. Uh, Charlie would do it. Charlie would do it. I think in just terms of music, Charlie. Yeah. Yeah, you've got nothing against you. You see both either of them? No. Never seen them. No, never seen them around. I'm always thinking that they'll be like hanging out. Oh, I do, I do this when I come to the Larry side. Because everyone's always doing their pat walks. Yeah. Right in there. Who would you, who would you think you would say? Julie Fox. I've seen Julie Fox, of course. Sometimes. Yeah. What was she doing? I don't know parties and stuff. Oh, parties. OK. I've only ever seen her one time at the bridge fashion awards last year. And I was waiting in the queue for the women's toilet restroom. I was waiting in the queue for the ladies restroom. And I saw her. And she was chatting with, um, she was chatting with. She was, she was standing on her own and someone came up to her and asked for a photo. And my heel had broken earlier that evening. So I was like so miserable that had to go home. The awards were over. I saw her and I was like, Hannah knows your chance to just go up. Say hi, say she, you think she's really cool, get a photo? And did I fuck? I did not. You didn't do it. I didn't do it. Ah. Yeah, I felt shame for not being cool enough to chat to Julia Fox. But like, do it's like a wine person. You would think that she'd be like, I mean, you wrote, you wrote for her then. I did, I did a video for a service. Yeah. 95. And she reposted it, which is crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't think you got, you should like DM her. I should DM her. Don't feel shame. Yeah. I, yeah, I like, I like do it. I think in terms of music, Charlie. But I think, you know, I think that both seem pretty chill. They're great. They're like two of the best of like doing it right now. The two best probably. So for my years resolution last year, I was like, I'll get do a leap. But I want to get do a leap out of follow me. But then I found out she only follows like herself. She only follows six or something. Oh, like one person. And then I was like, okay, like, I don't need do at least. And then I've an editor that I work with. And he met my friends the other day. I wasn't there. But my friend was like, oh, your editor's. He's like, he's like, oh, yeah, Jason. Every time we ask him to pitch, his only pitch is him and do a leap. Just the two of them getting dinner. And it's dinner Jason and do a leap. Every single time that he pitch, we ask him to pitch something. He just pitches, you know, do it. And so that's like my thing is that I'm always pitching duo. And it'll happen. It will happen. It'll happen. I can't believe it hasn't happened. It's called manifestation. Yeah. I mean, we're manifesting. Maybe we can do something and do it together. Yeah. I think, but she just is so adoring of food. She has great taste of wine. And yeah, and she loves dining, actually, great taste in restaurants. Yeah. She's like, Brad, that's what's brought. Brad, is it Brad or brought? Brad, Brad. Brad. That's funny to do. His favorite restaurant is Brad. Brad. Well, Charlie also likes Brad as well. Yeah. Everyone loves Brad. Yeah, but Brad's just amazing, obviously. There's so much to sort of rumor that she stole her album title from the restaurant. Well, the restaurant is named after-- - No, it's not rumor. You should totally, yeah, you should totally do it. - I might start it. - Right here, right now. - Yeah, get this clip, Ryan. We're starting the rumor that that, try. - Oh, Brian is also Welsh for something. - It's also like the sausage. - Brat first, yeah. - Brat first. - But Thomas is Welsh and not German, so I'm inclined to think that it might be, yeah, but a bit more Welsh. - Where's Welsh? - Where's Welsh? It Wales. - Yeah, where is that? - It's on the west side of the UK. - Hmm, yeah, I met a Welsh person. - No? - I met a Welsh person. - Oh, you did. - Oh, awesome. They're like, do you know Angela Hui? - Yes, I do. - Yeah, yeah, we went to use back a stand together. - Yes, I saw. Why was that one in his back a stand? - All the cool people were in use back a stand. - Yeah, but why? - We're just like hanging out, who car by annual. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just all had like the same crazy idea one day. I just kind of all turned up. - They didn't tell you? - No. - Yeah, that's close. That's close. - That's close. - Yeah, it's like we're on a chat. - Oh, I love Angela. She's Welsh though, right? - Yeah, Welsh. - Yeah, she has a very particular accent. Is she golf? I guess she wears black. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a cool sexy golf girl. - Yeah, that's cool. I guess, yeah, maybe you can't be golfing with growth. I don't know. - We can't be golfing what? - I don't know. I think she wasn't like in full golf attire and use back a stand. - Oh, really? - If we were like. - You're traveling. - Yeah, and it's like, it's like Muslim country. - Yeah. - I don't know. They're not the Muslim's organs. - Waring black, I don't know what I'm saying, really. - No, I don't know what I'm saying, really. - Was it hot when you were there? - Yeah, it was fucking hot. I had food poisoning. We had a great time. - What? - Yeah, it's, it happens. And we were only there for like a really short time and the time difference is crazy. So it was just jet lags. Food poisoning was really hot. Angela was like an influencer. She was on the like better tour. I was a journalist. - Oh, right, okay, okay. But yeah, it was great to meet her. - He'd also sat there from the UK. - I'm starting to sound really insecure. - Salvi? You know this woman's Salvi? It's art people. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, Salvi does like a, the freest gallery on Clark Street. - Oh, cool. - I don't know. - Yeah. But was his backest time the best place ever and should I go? - You should go. The food is great. Do you ever go over there? I guess there's no reason. - No. (laughs) - Like do you ever go over there? - No, I've never been to a stand. - I've never been to a stand. I was just kidding. I've never been to a stand. - I've never been to a stand ever. But I've been to like, not that it's the same, but I've been to like Morocco and Istanbul and Egypt. - I have never been to any of this. I see that. - Yeah. It's not really that similar. - Yeah. - But go to those. Go to one of them. - Go somewhere. - Go somewhere. - Go somewhere. - I mean, I am here, but apart from. - Where do you want to go? - Where do I want to go? I've kind of, I don't know. Do I sound really boring if I say that? I've kind of gone everywhere I want to go. I went to Japan this year, so I was like really gasped. I'm also like, I don't leave the UK very often anymore. I really like going on hold in the UK. - Where do you go? - I guess the consults. - I want to go. - I've never been to London. - Oh, it's really, really close to it. And if you go to somewhere like the bull. - What is it? - The bull is sort of a really nice gas straight pub with a really good wine list. It's got a nice, if tall and tense in practice, it's just a pub with a restaurant, but it's like a fun celebrity hotspot. - So what do you as a pub? That's something that we're trying to figure out as an American. - Oh, okay. A pub, it serves alcohol. - Yeah. - It's open from, it can be open from like lunchtime. Depends on where it is where you'll find it. It's definitely a pub is sort of like, kind of created around like a community. So if you've kind of got like a local pub and like a village, you'll see the same people there absolutely every single day. - The world makes it different than a bar though. - Beer, carpets, usually a historical building. If you go in and like ask for a martini, they'll be like, what the fuck? - Yeah. - It's somewhere that you can kind of go anytime a day. I think that you can't really go to a cocktail bar like 12. - Yeah. It's not open. Pubs are open all the time. They do food, but it can't be good. - Except if it's a gastropub. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, I'm thinking sort of like the regional pubs. - Would you put the lion? What is it in that place? What the steak sandwich? - Huh? - It's like a pub with a steak sandwich. - Oh, okay. - It's like the first gastropub, it's near my friend's house. - Oh, okay. - What's a pub? - And it's probably like the red lion or something like that. - Yeah, whatever. - But yeah, pubs, I'm thinking of the regional ones I grew up with, so kind of be like Hunter's chicken, like barbecue sauce, chicken bacon, and some chips. But you obviously have pubs that are really, really bougie and really nice, and they do like something a bit different, like more generous portions, kind of a bit more out there with the food. But that's still a pub. That's still a pub. - See, it still just seems like it could be so many different things. - Yeah, what are you trying? What do you want to try to do? - I'm trying to try what the difference is between a bar and a pub. It's just that it's open all day. 'Cause my girlfriend is from Australia. And a pub there means something a little bit different. Like a pub there is like a really big place. It always serves food. It's often like a hotel also. - Yeah. - And it's like. - Sometimes there are room-cible French pubs. - Yeah, it's, I don't know. I think the defining thing is that it's like big and maybe a hotel. I don't know. - I think there's also the name, right? - Yeah. - So if it's something like the red lion or the five horseshoes, that's a pub. But if it was, so this is the thing. - The kind of thing, I don't see what those two things have in common. The red lion and the five horseshoes. - Well, they're just sort of, well, they used to be, so in terms of pub signs, it's because so, the population was illiterate, so they would have signs with like a red lion or three horseshoes. - Okay. - And that's sort of where it would come from. - It's just like a picture. - A picture, yeah. So that's like very important, that iconography and the fact that it'll be kind of like a sticking out kind of sign. - So can a pub exist in America? If it needs to be like a historic, like can a pub exist here? - That's a really good point. I guess maybe never. - Yeah, is it just like, is it a regional, is it just like a, like a, - It's definitely a regional thing. - A couple of girls gets to have them then. - Because they're so in a sort of dialogue for each people there for quite nefarious reasons. - True, true, true, true. - For us, yeah. - I think New England has some, it's like a tavern, maybe. - Right, yes, okay. - I think I were getting somewhere, yes, a tavern is a good, yeah, is a good comparison. I would say like a tavern kind of like conjures a bit more sort of like medieval middle ages, like larping kind of vibe. - Yeah. - I've seen those crazy, like, 'cause you guys have those crazy events where everyone dresses up all medievally and they look kind of hang out in the park, right? - Oh yeah. - Or they-- - You guys not do that? - No, but I wish we did. - They look so fun. - Isn't that as fun as it looks on us? - Really? Does everyone fall? Is everyone like getting to each other? - Not really like that. I mean, I've no one's invited me to do that. - Oh, okay. - At the Renaissance Fair. But maybe some people are doing, it's like families say it. - Oh, okay. - I mean, maybe they have some weird ones. I don't know, I think maybe go out on a different day. - Yeah, I think it's because I've seen those videos of people come to bars and then they have to put their hands and shackles and then like a girl will like feed them a beer. You know the videos I'm talking about? - Kind of. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know where you're watching these videos. - I just go off on Instagram, reals. - Yeah, yeah, sure. - But that's quite tavern vibe. That's what reminded me of that. - Well, getting shackled and better beer by a woman? - Yeah, but it's kind of like Renaissance sort of tavern vibes. - Not even Arkansas, what is tavern? - I think like, oh, what a pub is. - Yeah, I think. - It's like you get shackled by a woman and you, it's old. - Yeah. - And it's a picture as a sign. - There's a picture, there's a sign. There's sometimes a carpet. And you wouldn't really get carpets and bars. - Okay. - There's a lot of wood. I don't think you have like a lot of wood in most bars. Right? - Yeah, I think a bar has wood. - Okay. - Like the cheers bars, the classic bar, and that's like a wood bar. - Snacks, that's a really important thing. - Bar snacks or a thing? - Do you have scampi fries? - What is that? - Exactly. - Sounds delicious. - It's that scampi fries. They're just kind of like these little pillowy crisps that taste of prawn. I'm not sure how they've been. - Oh, it's pop chips. - Fuck. We've got. - Scampi fries, yeah, that sounds delicious. (laughing) - We've got, we've got pork scratchings. - Oh, yeah, we have those. Those are called pork rinds here. - Okay, but yeah, but do you have them all together and like a specific behind a bar? - You can have them. - Yeah, but do you? - It's like a chip, it's like a kind of chip, right? - Yeah, yeah, kind of. - Yeah, we have those, I think. - Okay. - We have like a bar, you can get chips. - Right, oh shit. And you can get chips as well. I think it's just having all of these things together. - Yeah, okay. - And then them kind of being hanging up behind the bar, like next to kind of like your vodka's and your gins. - Do they have wine? - Do they have like a red or white? - They're gonna be a vino. These are vino pub. - pub. - Vino pub. - That would kind of be more like the gastro pub character. They usually have got like a red or a white or a per seco. - Yeah, but should you expect that there should be the wine to be bad? - Yeah. You could expect it to be very different from like what you'd enjoy a wine bar. It's again, it's like a white or a red. - Okay. - And the red is like Ryoka and the white is probably an egregia. - Mm. - Well, that settles that. - Does it? - I don't feel like anything, I don't feel like anything was settles there. - It's one of those things that I guess you just, I just never know. - No, I think what you need to do is you need to spend a bit more time. 'Cause you said, I think the gripe show last time you were in London right? - Those two times ago, but yeah. - Yeah, but if you're in SoHo, there's just so many amazing pubs. I would actually, we'll leave it for later, the shout outs. I know I wanna give a shout out. - I was gonna ask with the bus. - I wanna give a shout out. (laughing) - It's a perfect timing to do our end of podcast segment, our shout outs. You can shout out your favorite pub, it's the start. - Well, I was gonna shout out my favorite pub influencer. - pub influencer, pub influencer. - pub influencer. - Yeah. - pubs, Jimmy McIntosh, he is amazing. - Oh, I do. - He's got a brilliant voice. - Yeah. - He's kind of like the Ian Curtis. - He's not Kapsnut. - Yeah. - What's his name? Kapsnut, Kapsnut. - Kapsnut cafes. - I like that one. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I also love that. - That's the same person. - Oh, I like that one. - But this is Jimmy McIntosh. He does really kind of like, spacey, uncanny, fun, very well narrated. Reviews of pubs. - Nice. - Yeah, that was really good. - What's the best pub for me? We're near one in Southeast London called The Daker Arms, which is really nice. - What is it called? - Daker arms, like a car with a D. - Daker arms. - Daker arms. - Huh. - Yeah. - What does that mean, Daker? - I don't know. I have no idea if I really enjoy it. But yeah, that's my shot. We love you, Jimmy. - Jimmy, yeah, Jimmy. It's an Instagram. - It's an Instagram. London dead pubs. - London dead pubs. Nice. - I'm shutting out one battle after another. This is the new Leonardo DiCaprio movie, Paul Thomas Anderson. It's great. I don't know. - Really? - I love PT Anderson. I love Leo. I don't know. People don't like him. I get it. People love Leo. I don't know. But I thought it was really, I don't know. It's really, I always movies are so like propulsive. It's like people running. It's like, I don't know. It's like an action movie, but not really an action movie. And it's like a romance, but not really. And it's like, it's like so many like halfway toward like some kind of genre or something in a way that was interesting. I don't know. It was one of the most fun movie experiences I've had in a second. And it's like a fun companion piece of the movie, Eddington, which is another hot topic movie this year. That was interesting. - Yeah. Sometimes you just want to go and have fun. - Yeah. This is fun and makes you think. - Mmm. Okay, I'll have to give it a shot. - Yeah. - And I would also like to shout out, actually, when you said that we need to think, right before we started recording, you said you need to think of things that you like and you want to shout out. I have actually this year been making a list of things that I like just to kind of keep track of. Well, I have like five things so far. But so whenever, every time I think of something that I'm like, wow, I love this thing, I'll write it down. - Oh well. - Yeah, and at the top of my list is Charles Dickens' Christmas Carol. - Oh, it's a season. - Tiss the season. - Tiss the season. Well, when it comes to, yeah, I'll be December. - Yeah. - So Merry Christmas. I think that it's one of the most succinct, meaningful, beautiful pieces of what you're trying to run. - Which ghost are you? - Oh. I'm trying to remember the three ghosts today. I would say that I- - Press question feature, right? - Yeah, to come, Christmas yet to come. - That's what it's called. - Yeah, whenever I think of them, I'm kind of always visualized the Muppet's Christmas Californians. - And the last one needs to creep me up. - And Scrooge. - Yes, and Scrooge. I think I would say I am the ghost of Christmas past. I think I find ghosts of Christmas yet to come a bit too preachy and scary. The ghost of Christmas present seems fun, but I think is probably like quite like we're tiresome after like maybe an hour of spent with them. - You think that the ghosts of Christmas features that we're like, it's like your future actually is sick. - Yeah. - You're having a great time. You're rich, you're hot, but you're just eating sick food all the time. You're gonna get all some presents for this Christmas. - And also Christmas presents. - It's awesome. - No, your girlfriend's getting, finally getting you the PS5 which you've been asking for for a decade now or however long it takes. - Yeah, and there's the night. So there's some time to have good ghosts. Do they only come to bad people? - Yeah, I mean, I suppose they could only be as spirits. They can kind of be everywhere at once, right? - Yeah. - That saying if they were even real or if they were like a figment of Scrooge's imagination. - Yeah. - What's the difference? - If he invented them himself rather than being like, out drunk or she goes to real. So yeah, I think I'd be ghost of Christmas pasting. You know, she kind of looks back fondly. - Are the girl ghosts? - She's a girl in the Muppets one. - Oh, is she? - Yeah. - What kind of Muppet is it? - No, no, no. It's probably weird kind of like human CGI thing. - Oh, yeah. - I need to revisit this. I don't know as imagining like that one Muppet animal, the one with the, that's like, he plays the drums. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - He's in it. I don't know why I'm, that's the Muppet that I'm imagining when I think of it. - He is, but he plays animal. - Oh yeah. - He doesn't play anything. He doesn't play anything in the Chris' carol cannon. He just plays animal playing the drums. - Oh, okay. Sorry. Well, I'm shouting out grapes. - Yeah. - As far as wine, but also I drink, I ate some like chocolate covered grapes yesterday. They're good. Yeah, great snack. Great snack. Very healthy for you, supposedly. - I saw in the bidega that was that yesterday that I got the evil soda in. The, you guys have frozen grapes, but like covered in like a sour candy. - You saw that? - Emily loves this thing. I don't know what it's called, but I hear that this is the best snack ever. - Yeah. - And they're like hard to find. I've never seen it. I've been searching. Everyone that's tried it tells me that it's the best thing they've ever tried. - Really? - It's for those who don't know what we're talking about. It's a grape that's frozen that's covered in like a sour patch kids seasoning basically. - Yeah. - Fruit riot, fruit riot, fruit riot, hit us up sponsor of the pod. So into some, we've been trying to get some, but apparently no one can track down the owner. I don't know where they get it from. - Oh, you can get pineapple as well. - Really? - Mango, yeah, covered in like strawberry, mango, kind of like tea. - Oh, a whole riot of fruit. - A whole riot of fruit. - Oh, yeah, I need to find it. Where was this bodega? - It was L.A.S., but I can't remember where, but it was like a fancy posh one. - Okay, well, I will, I'm gonna go. - I'm gonna go. - I need to go to fancy posh ones. - Those are the ones I go to. - Okay. - I only got a fancy posh. - Okay, okay. - Yeah, so that's my grapes. - My third one would be, oh, when it was raining, it's really rainy in New York right now. And I do quite like in London when it rains and you get the Patrickore smell. - You like the rain. - And I don't, well, you don't really, I haven't really smelled Patrickore here. - Oh, yeah. - It is a pretty small. - Yeah, why is there no Patrickore here? So I used to do it with the plants and with the roads. - Yeah, why is the sky blue? - Why is it, I don't know that either, so you need to tell me. So I have a new fan appreciation for Patrickore and I can't wait to smell it again. - Are you homesick? - No, no, no, no, I just like the smell of rain. I like when rain smells or something. - I think it smells like that sometimes. - I think it just smells of like tarmac here. - Do you feel like you're more like conscious of it 'cause you're a blind person? - Maybe. - I feel like I'm like, you think of like, you're thinking about weird sense that like. - Yeah. - Like all these mineral notes and stuff that people are always licking chalk and stuff. - Yeah. - It's not really flavor that I'm ever really thinking about in a normal way. - That's fair. - No, that's like everyone's like, I love this small rain. I think it smells like that sometimes. - Yeah. So my final one, this is lazy. I don't know. Just beverages in general. We love beverages. They're all over our table. - I know, you're saying it looked like the Justin Bieber. - Oh yeah, I love this photo. I wanna, someone needs, we got it. This guy has to be maybe my investigative report for Feed Me is like a piece about all of the beverages on. I should find out what, there's a photo of Justin Bieber and he's recording something like a podcast or something and he has a million beverages in front of him. Like he has like 30 cups, I think they're all from like Dung and known it's something. But we have to find out what all these beverages are and who they belong to. This should be great. This is like a Feed Me piece. - Yeah, see if you can drink them all yourself or whether you need like maybe two or three people to help you and like hanging people help too. - Is he cheating on Haley? Who are these? What girl is drinking these beverages? - Surely not. - No, no, I mean, he just doesn't like her but. - But that's like a crazy way to get rumbled. - Yeah, yeah. - Like you're dunking, like someone. - Like someone's drinking this pumpkin spice latte. - And it's not Bieber. - Yeah, it's not Bieber. He's lactose. He's kidding. So that was podcast. Thank you so much for coming Hannah. 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