Haha Davis, Amin Joseph, Devin Haney and Tee Grizzley

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I'm Gemma Spek, host of the Psychology of Your 20s podcast, and this month we're helping you make sense of the person that you are becoming from setting boundaries and navigating friendships to understanding anxiety, confidence, relationships, and attachment. - Sometimes our biggest decisions without us even realizing it aren't driven by what we truly want, but by what will prevent us from feeling lonely or being alone. - Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. - I've been working out since I was seven, eight years old, but even if you're not in camp, you do something every day. - I'm always working out, like. - You do something every day. - I just got to work out, like, it's therapeutic for me. - You know what? - It's actually a drug. - You get a release. - Yeah. - Come with us. - As I'm hearing them talking, that's what I've been doing right now. - I'm having a chemical. (laughing) - Oh, I'm getting a release of chemicals. (laughing) - It's a release of chemicals, so let me go, please. (laughing) - It's looking good, though. - What have you worked out? - I don't. (laughing) - On this episode of The Shop Uninterrupted, Maverick Carter and Paul Rivera are joined by Ha Ha Davis. - The internet wasn't supposed to take me where it took me to, it was just something to do. And then it just went from having fun until it became a job. It changed my life. Who knew a cell phone would change my life? You know what I'm saying? - Amen Joseph. - I'm 45 years old, and I'm at peace. We're being 45 and a lot to tell a story like Uncle, that a lot of other young men weren't able to tell. - Devon Haney. - But I also feel like I'm the best as well, so I don't even think about losing, but I know that it's possible. When you go in there, you take that risk, but I'm willing to risk it off, it went big. I'm betting on myself every time. - And T. Grizzly. - It's crazy where artists could be like, - Damn, like Niggas want to be on the streets and Niggas want to glorify this is, and I'm released from the streets. And that's the last thing I want to do. - Check it out. - Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw Yanis his press conference. - For the buck. - I love that, though. - But he set it up like failure. - Yeah, that was dope. - We're talking about boxing. Did Ryan Garcia fail? Is that failure and a loss? Is that failure? - I don't think so. - That's my point. - I think if you train all this time for something that's failure at some point, I mean, what else could it be? I mean, he was playing it just to see. I mean, you failed at that point in time. - It's a microphone. - Yeah, it's a microphone. - So you're saying you're not a failure. - Yeah, you're not a failure. - That point in time, you're not a failure. - We got to put that L. There's an L on the record. - Yeah, it's an L on the record. - Okay, if it's just a flash to all of us. - And that's like, you put an album out. You're like, this is my body of work. I love it, I put my heart and soul and it doesn't commercially do well. Is that a failure to you? - See, it's not a fear because it's not a loss. I'm still gonna make money on that. And I'm still going, please my fans and they still gonna love it to people who love me. - You put team, when you making albums, you or maybe your manager, the label, whatever, go, okay, this is the expectation. We wanna just to be number, or you just go, let's put it out and see what happens. - When I make the creative stage, I wanna, my only objective is to make myself feel some type of way. 'Cause I know-- - Are you looking to make yourself feel the way? - Yeah, because I know I'm one of the most, I think I'm one of the most relatable people. Like the shoe, the path that I walked in life, like a lot of people went through it. So if I can feel it, not know somebody who hasn't been through it and feel it, as somebody who has been through it, gonna feel it for real. - When you put the song together, you more or so talking to your making sure like, and you listen to you like, do I feel this? - Exactly. If I was listening to this from my other artist, how would I feel about it? - Got it. Have you ever made a song that you don't like? - Yeah, I liked it at the time. - With the years ago, I was like, "Why'd I say this?" I didn't even think about that. I said, "Let's go back, let's see." Like, "Why the fuck was that?" - You talk about it with artists. - No, it's like I want to take the painting off. - Yeah. - This is a dream of service. - Maybe imagine, put it out. - But ha ha, same thing with you, right? It's like, if you have a skit or, you know, a piece of content you're excited about, and you put it out and it doesn't get the likes viewed. - You know, he tried to do, is beginning to stand about him about that. - Yeah, like, is that a failure? - Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, even with my shows, when I go to class, they're all around the world. But like, some show will be better than other shows. And then we'll be back there, mad about the first show, but the second show will be better. They'll be like, "Oh, you did your thing." But I'm still mad. I mean, it's not, I can't say it's a failure 'cause I still make people laugh. So I can't say it's a failure. Only ways of failure, they start throwing throws at tomatoes at me. That's what it's a failure. - And in the moment, 'cause I like these guys, yes, it's live. - Yes. - Do you know you're failing? You know you're failing in the moment? - Yeah, you, I mean, when I first started doing stand-up-- - To bomb, huh? - Yeah, when I first started doing stand-up, you could have heard two mice having sex. - Praise. - And I'm saying that's a bad word. - And this is a failure. - This 2015, when I first started, 'cause I was already famous. - That's what I said, yes. - Yes, I was already famous. So they were storming me in front of four, five thousand people. And then I was, I was bombed. And I said, no, I gotta go back to the comedy clubs and write real jokes. So it took me almost six, seven years just to get my set where I wanted it right now. - And do you, but you probably be trying jokes with niggas all the time, at dinner, all the-- - Oh yeah, for sure, like, that's just a comedian, it's always a good show. - Yeah, but then you're like, is that a bit-- - He's trying, is that a bit? - He's trying. - I'm like, I know we might say a joke out loud to y'all, and y'all don't know that we can try it out on you. - We know, bro. - We know, we know. - We know, bro. - But when you first started on social, did you know you wanted to do stand-up? - No, my brother really got me a tool, 'cause he been doing it 20 years. - Oh, really? - To y'all, the brother. - Yeah, he been doing stand-up 20 years. So I would just start off on an internet, an internet wasn't supposed to take me where it took me to. It was just something to do. And then it just went from having fun to became a job and it changed my life. - That's crazy. - That's crazy. - You're gonna ask something. - I was gonna say, like, how do you gauge on who you're gonna have? 'Cause I know you got the people in your personal life who you like, I need you to listen to these jokes and tell them what you think. Do you got the people who, like, this person is hard to make them laugh? So if they laugh-- - Yeah. - That's my brother, he's the only person that I run my jokes about. Like, if he laughed and I know it's a joke-- - 'Cause he's a hard critic? - He don't laugh at nothing. Like, he has showed me-- I showed him someone in an internet. He'd be like, "Bro, this trash." [laughter] I'm like, "Yeah, I told you it was hilarious." [laughter] I'm not crazy. That is not it. But anytime I write a joke, I always run and pass him. Like, my entire set over the last six years, I ran all my jokes through him. And I know he ain't telling me a lie 'cause when I go on stage and I try it out, the crowd laughing at it. So I know he always don't tell me the truth when it comes to like writing a joke. Like, there's so many other things I think are hilarious. Carlos, the trainer, a bunch of shit. - Yo. - You write those or you just improv a little as you're going to shoot them? - No. - The internet stuff, all improv. I just cut the camera. - He's all figured I can tell you. - I just cut the camera when it goes. - Just going. - Yeah. - And like, wherever it goes, it goes. - Yeah. The people don't tell you what they like and what they don't like. - Yeah. - My favorite shit is, just spend the beer breeze. - Oh, this one's gonna be a breeze. [laughter] - First time on a shop, this one's gonna be a breeze. [laughter] - So he has real life immediate feedback. And what you do, you don't have necessarily that immediate feedback. Do you know if you're tanking something? - Ooh, tanking. I feel like I'm impervious to a tank at this point. Like, what I do love about, stand up about social media is that you do get that instant gratification. - Yeah, sure. - Within a couple of seconds, he knows whether something is going. We just did something whereby it was like, and he told me at the time, we were in Vegas, he was like, oh, this is about to go by. - Yeah. - He was like, just sit back. Big dog. - Yeah. - Let's go. - I just walked up two more legs and just shoot. - But-- - Already? - Yeah, we just-- - I'm not playing. - No, I wasn't playing at all. - We're not playing. - We just ran into each other at the bar, in fact. - Yeah. - And you had an idea? But did you have an idea for him before you saw him or you cut the idea that many times? - No, we just had, we just talked back and forth, and now I just thought of an idea. Like, man, let's shoot this right quick. - Let's shoot. - Wow. - It was just-- - That's fucking-- - That's 100,000 hours, for me, and that's what I believe all of us. have done. We put in 100,000 hours over 14 to 12 years of this. Not 4 years, not 10,000 hours. Like, this is repetition. So when I get a character, I'm looking to get something on the page. I'm looking to get something that's 90 pages, 120 pages so that I can soak myself into that. And if it's something that's scripted for, you know, television, I'm going to do that over a period of years. So this is me putting my life force into that. I walk differently. I got to go get a chiropractor for the way that I walk. He's going to do that walk in 60 seconds and get it all. I even watched your behavior grow. Yeah. He started taking a little bit of the unbehavior. Yeah. When he was like this stuff that I see, you're really good, bro. I can't wait till we do something live. Absolutely. But that's the way that I look at things. And he recently had your directorial debut, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that mindset changed in front of the camera, behind the camera? Directorially, there's a communication, there's a prep work. There's an eye. There's also the visual that you have to see that's just not like, okay, I'm just extending the viewpoint that I see as an actor. It's much more over-encompassing than that. What I love about directing is different than what I love about acting. What I love about directing is that we are able to, I'm able to communicate with the hair and makeup. I'm able to communicate with stunts. And I'm able to get the best out of each individual in those specific skill sets. And then bring that to the collaboration and be like, wow, we are really making something. That's amazing. As an actor, it's a little bit more selfish. I'm able to say, look, these are the inner workings of the feelings that I feel. This is what I want to convey in this story. And then I'm working along with my other actors and not worrying about any of the world, any of the you know, cameras or any operators outside of that. Very different. But I love both, honestly. What went into like that character though, because like me watching Snowfall, like I thought it was real, like I feel in love with Drone. Like it just felt like real, like it felt like some that wasn't even a TV show. It felt like reality. Like I'm from Harlem. Wherever y'all from, y'all know somebody like um, because I put that in the DNA of um. For sure. That this this African-American experience, all uncles, that was, that lumbed us to the death that go robbed us that'll love us, but will kill for us that got an unapologetic look at who they are as black men. If I couldn't, if I couldn't impart that, which is really important to me, if I couldn't import that into this character, I would have felt. So more than anything, the fact that other black men can be like a yo, that's my uncle. Whether they from the West Coast, East Coast, Midwest, South, you know what I mean? Like wherever they are, and even overseas, bro. Still have same feelings. They is the same feeling. When you walk on set, we were like, uh, um, um, Uncle the building. That's who we are. That's that's that's your uncle news, bro. When you walk on set every day, there's also going to be non-black people watching the show, right? That big. Is there something you're trying to convey that you wish or hope they take from a non-black people about the black experience? Like I'm going to give them something that they don't understand now. Love is universal. So whether someone in Barcelona sees this, whether someone in Romania sees this, someone in Africa, it's the same feeling. They know that within their culture, there is someone that has this type of love for their family. Somebody that might be going about it the wrong way. Right? These are the cautionary tales of every culture. Of course. But at the end of the day, you can relate because you see the love. One that you know, like, oh, we got a snowfall, it's got a chance to go all the way. You know what? I didn't know that initially. And I always want to give props to Big Brother and sister John Singleton. John Singleton, right? Our griot, our story tell, our monument of a legend in our society, in our community. He told us, first year, second year, we would go on these tours, marketing tours across the United States. And we would go into arenas that would be like sort of packed. People really didn't know the show. And John, we would come back to the hotel and John would be like, what's wrong with John? We'd be like, man, I don't know if people feel in it because as actors, we want instant gratification. He would be like, yo, shut up. Shut up actors. You're so ungrateful. You don't got no patience. This is going to be a show that has legacy, that has culture. That's what John would say to us. So I didn't realize that very early. Neither did the rest of our cast. But we stuck with it. The chapter's here. The chapter's here. Sir, what's up God? Sir, what's going on? I'm going to follow the picture. I love you. I love you, come on. I love you, come on. Take care. I hope you're fine. I'm ready for you, young brother. But that's the thing that John, that's the thing that that wisdom, that skill, he knew before he left here that this was going to be something that was for us, for our culture. And really, even when you look at how snowfall ended, right? Because a lot of people didn't like what happened of Franklin. But that's the question that we tell. We from places where we know. I broke my heart, bro. Even me dying breaks hearts, but yo, how would it happen though? No, look at this shit. You know how you got some characters on TV show? Like if he died, I ain't watching it. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. When we died before he died, I said, I can't watch it. I didn't watch the last episode. I didn't watch it. You didn't finish it? Come on, you got to though, you. I can't see you. You don't do that. I couldn't shame you. The illestine to me was you and St. and the diner. When you guys have that heart to heart and you tell them, you know, my whole life changed, watching you grow up, whatever, whatever. And it breaks my heart to see what you've become. And when he pulls the hammer out on you. Big chest, scandalous ass, nickel. And he smacks and he goes, don't you put your hands on me. He goes, what you gonna do? Hit him again? And he pulls the hammer on you. I was like, oh, you can't come back from this. Never. He slapped me. Twice. Upslap. Not even punch. You really mean, I really mean punch and slap. Yeah, yeah, no, no slap on me. No, no slap on me. Twice. No, but you can sleep me up all the time. Yeah, man, that's man to man, but too slap. I told you. You'll never forget a slap. What did you think about like the rehydration clause that Ryan accepted? Yeah, I think that was that was crazy. Me personally, I wouldn't have signed up for that. From a pro, explain it what that actually means. So like every fight we cut 20, 30 pounds, every fight. But some people go lose, they wait in the sauna. Some people lose, they wait in a hot bath, sit in a hot bath. Some people lose, they wait working out. Me personally, I don't like the sauna suit. I don't like the hot bath, the sauna. It's not healthy for you for one, but two, I just don't like the way that it makes me feel. I'll rather go running in treadmill for an hour and that's in there. My fight weight is at 135. So we, everybody weighing, we all got to weigh in at a certain limit, like I said, 135. After the weigh in, the day before the fight, we can go up to how much weight we decide. What's a typical 10, 15 pounds? So you go from 135 by the time fight, you weigh at 150. At least 150. Over night? Yeah, because the water, you can do that with water. Water is 8 to 9 pounds. But you got a digger strip. We strip on our body of everything. All the water. Digging out to weigh in. So once, like me, I got a protocol to where everything around a drink, after that weigh in, it holds. Like I won't just go pee it out. I drink a certain drink to where my body just holds. It's thickened. It's thickened on you. It sucks you out of weigh in. You weigh in the day before, around what time? Wayne's normal one o'clock. So say one o'clock Friday when you fight Saturday night? You got like, by Saturday night. Yeah. So within that, you have 30 hours to gain, 15 to 10 pounds, right? Listen, listen. And Ryan, in Ryan's case, he had to weigh in again, Saturday morning, correct? Yes. Any 10 pounds, he only was able to gain 10 pounds. Which is nothing, right? Nothing. Especially for a big guy like him. Like, really like, like I said, at least, like, at least I'm gonna gain 20 pounds. I definitely think he shouldn't have agreed to it. Because tank is smaller than him, so he's not going to put on as much, right? Exactly. So I am not asking you if you think that the outcome would have been different. What I'm asking is, do you think you, you can only speak for yourself? Yeah. Would that have an effect on your performance? 100%. 100%. 100%. You got you. Yeah. Makes sense. I wouldn't, I couldn't do it. I would be too, I would be too weak. Wow. That's the key. It's not just you're stronger, heavier, you're a little weak. Yeah. Yeah. Because your body is just depleted, you deplete yourself. And honestly, truthfully, I don't think that he was even and cut him weight the right way. I don't think he was drinking them with water. You'd supposed to be drinking a gallon of water a day. - Everything. - Yeah. - Galen to Galen in the half. - Yeah, for sure. - I don't think he just cut the weight, which I could be wrong. But from the looks of it, he looked just dry. - He's dead, I'd, listen. He hasn't, and I've been trying to cut the same eight pounds. - Yeah, for sure. You're in 14 years, you're sitting in a row. - I gotta, I literally, I've been trying to, 'cause it's like, it's like the six or eight pounds, I'm like, if I just give it a, it is. - It's just that look as you need it. - Man, man. - Man. - You gonna be weight, man. - I mean, how you take this little piece of meat away? You gotta give us that stick. It's just this little piece of meat right here. It won't go nowhere. - I'm not, man. You been training like a month, you know? - No, I'm not. - You know, I'm not standing behind you. - You know, you know. I'm not standing behind. - What was you, what did you do? - Oh, like, like you said, I'll be on training, I'll be there every day. - Every day. - I literally was running out of it. - What was your motivation? - You know, maybe it was crazy. Wait, throw that stare master. - Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get rid of this little piece right here. - How long have you been trying? - No, I've been trying, I've been in the gym for about two years. And my motivation was like, I went into the mirror that one day, like, brought like a meatball, we got it. - No, but we lost crazy weight. - Yeah, I lost 50 pounds. - Yeah, but it's that last little piece right here. Like, what do you do like to keep your, this part, like tight like that? - I don't know, I'm on training. - He like, I'm on training. - I should don't even come. - Yeah, he's like, I never see. - He always in shape. - You never know. - It's like when you're not training for a fight, do you eat crazy? Like, you gonna go get some burger on the steak? - Yeah, well, I can eat whatever I want. - Okay. - But you work out every day. - I've been working out since I was seven, eight years old. - But even if you're not in camp, you do something every day. - You're always working out. - I just gotta work out, like, it's therapeutic for me. - You know what? It's actually a drug. - Yeah. - To get a release. - Look, as I'm hearing him talking, I'm like, that's what I've been doing right now. - And I'm having the chemicals. - Oh, I'm getting a release of chemicals. - That's a release of chemicals. - I'm gonna be the queen. - How do you work out? - I don't. (laughter) - I don't. - You said work out at the day. - Yeah. - I don't work out, bro. But you also have a big game or two, which don't help with working out. - That's the best. - Obviously, that's the best. - You have a big game, right? - Yeah. - How do you play hogs in your game? - I pray, when I do do it, I do it for like five to eight hours, right? - That's a shit. - But I may do it. - But you turn into a business. - I'm just gonna say. - You're not just playing, you turn into a business. - Right, you're just a business for sure. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I do it for like five to eight hours and everybody can do it. And I average like five days after month. - Oh, so not a whole lot, but I mean, but when you do it, you go hard. - When I do it, I go, you say. - What did you do to turn to, what you just planned? Did you start playing? 'Cause you was like, I'll make this into a business. - I started playing 'cause it was COVID. But I've been playing games all my life. Like, bro, say you've been boxing, I've been playing games all my life. So I'm good at whatever game. Automatically, anyway, you feel me? So I'm playing with these other good kids. And like, bro, you actually good. Like rappers are horrible. - You feel me? - And you are nervous, T Grizzly? - Yeah. - People, okay. - Can you have like me, I can't play the game. I'm, I ain't losing, like, I'm not good. Like, these things is good these days. - Yeah. - I'm profitable or the games are changed, bro. - For sure. - The game thing, what the fuck I came up with, bro. Like, what the fuck, you got to do all this? - It's a lot. - Nika, can I do a crossover and get to the fucking ring? - What the fuck? - Wait, so you are nervous, T Grizzly. So the kids know they play with T. - Some of them don't believe it's actually me. Like, some people don't tell me, bro, you was not, you was not him, bro. So you really wouldn't be sitting here playing the game, right? (laughing) - What are you talking about, the show? - Yeah. - Yeah. - But then, one of them told me one day, like, man, you should start streaming. You feel me? Like, it's COVID, everybody in the house, like, people would come watch you, you know what I'm saying? So I started it. I didn't know how to set it up. I paid somebody, just kind of my crib and just said everything up. But I wanted to where I only got to push the button and that's all I got to do. But you get on Twitch or something? - Yeah, on Twitch. - You turn that shit into a business, that's all I got to say. - You got to tell us exactly what the money look like. Just give us a ball of parking. (laughing) - He's about to start doing set up, man. - So I ain't got to leave it, I'll see. - I'll see what I can do. - I'm a king of the buck. - You try to get an instant. - Millions, bro. - Millions. - Millions. - Get up out of your room, man. - Okay, so I stream it on Twitch, right? And I get paid off Twitch. And then I take the video off Twitch, put it on YouTube, upload it to YouTube, you feel me? And that's a whole 'nother avenue. But it's like making money off one thing. Five, six different ways. - I got it. - You feel me? - It's harder than what you think. - That was real hard. You're gonna be good. - I'm gonna talk shit. - You're gonna be talking shit? - Like me? - I'm gonna start her. - I'm too hard for that shit now. - That's not the key though. I'm gonna tell you, like, the key right now, 'cause this people ask amazing that I ain't making no money. The thing is entertainment. Like if you get on there, you can make people laugh. You can have a conversation with people. That's where the money is. - Yeah, 'cause you're entertainers, I feel. So I'm watching you, but I'm really, why'd you play the game, but I'm here to get a piece of your personality. - Yeah, like I watch you play the game. You ain't got to be super competitive, but we have entertainers watching you though. - Tell it. - You feel me? - But did you know you were entertainers that you were a kid? Was you the kid in the family always like, getting up in front of that Thanksgiving and shit and doing it? - See, I ain't even doing it for my family. I get around my family. I try to stay away from them. My grandma made me do some shit in front of the whole family embarrassing, you feel me? So I stay away from them. But at school though, I used to show out at school. That's what I knew. I'm like, oh yeah, I made the classroom laugh and just be cool. - Get the girls and shit and stuff like that. - Was you like that, huh? Was you always the guy at family, and the picnics and shit making people laugh? - I was a class clown. Like I brought, I didn't graduate from elementary, I didn't graduate from middle school. I didn't graduate. - What'd you mean? - Like I always got put out before graduation. (all laughing) Just being dumb and reckless. (all laughing) I got put out my A grade year. I got into a fight. I had to hit the principal in the head. They could put me out. My 11 grade year, just doing dumb shit, got put out. And then I had to go to our turner school. My 12 grade year, and I ended up graduating from our turner school, my 12 grade year. So, it was always just a class clown. - And at home with family, two years old is making everybody laugh. - Yeah, my family ain't never think I was funny though, but now that we got the money, I'ma leave everybody. (all laughing) - No reason for the family. - Now these things just start laughing, since they didn't think I'd say now. They'd be just down laughing. I was never funny, y'all. I'm okay, who I am, don't worry. I would get the money, it's an issue. Devon, when you go to the ring, you think about like I got to also entertain, I got to win the fight, but also show the crowd. - Yeah, to an extent. - To an extent, like, you think that before the fight, but once you get in there, you'd be so ton of busy. And you only have time to think about. Nobody, your family, the crowd, none of that, you can just think of it. - Mm, ton of it. - So it's like, what you're gonna do, you wanna win. That's all you can think about is the game plan, what you gotta do, and to win. - Got a thing I've always been blown away by is that no one else in the world besides Boxers or even though they're feeling of that walk from the locker room to the ring. - Ring walk, my favorite part of the sport. - If you ain't mentally prepared for that, I should have how you make you shit on yourself. That's the thing, that's a long walk. - You can feel it in your stomach? - What? - You feel all that, like, I mean, at this point now, I was like, I didn't did it so many times so now, it's like, I know what to expect. But if you, if, it ain't been in times where, you get the bubble, but yeah, you get the bubble, you got to, you wanna turn around and not flip it. - Turn around. (all laughing) - Turn around, ooh. - I wanna do this shit, it shouldn't really hate for me. (all laughing) - I appreciate you getting bit there 'cause that's you. - Yeah, we all, you can tell you. - No matter how hard you train, how good you is, not gonna prepare you for that walk, but just doing it. - Yeah. - Is this going through it? - It's probably the same way you gonna stay, you. - It's real. - I was gonna say that. - Yeah, right, ten ends day, I'd be like, you wanna do it? - A little bit, you know what I'm saying? - You know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - So this day, I'd know the same for you for you to go stay. - That's it, that's it. - That's it, that's a different beast. - Yeah, that's it. - Yeah, that's it. - Like, you feel like, what if they don't even think this shit funny? What if, you know what I'm saying? - That's what I'm saying. - I'd have had that feeling like broken, like, especially if somebody rocking it, probably before you go out, oh, I'd be like, "Rumphant, get up outta here. I don't even wanna go out there." - And that's the same thing with boxing, because with, it'd be undercarf fights and they go go in there. Slap. - Yeah. - You see him coming in on a stretcher? - Yeah. - Shit. - It's real out there. - And y'all too, both from Detroit, which is, and we have a bump from the DA. We take, okay, the DA isn't a bit of a guy. What up though? - Yeah, what up though? - What up though? - You know, I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you where I'm in the city. - My dad, how are you gonna forget that? - No, we always work, we ain't in our own. - We ain't in our own, we ain't in our own. - I mean, we always on the road. - Well, my dad is, my dad is a bit like I'm gonna say, my dad did seven years in the feds for a distribution of cocaine, conspiracies, it should be cocaine, but he does. - We ain't wanna feel like you. - He ain't wanna say that I'm talking. - I wanna do it. - He ain't gonna say that. - But as soon as we got these, man. - Yeah, we ain't gonna do it. - You know the exact code, what's the code we got you? - What do we got you? - He did five or four, and Mila Michigan's a fed joint. - Mila, yes. - Oh, okay. - But the one that he would always tell me stories, and like, Niggas and DC, and the one thing he always say about Detroit is he'd be like, man, Detroit is bald today, bald, they go, so is this thing about Detroit where you're all hustle? But what is it about Detroit that gave you all that? Like, you turned social media into, and like, you, I watched you, I've been watching your crime as if from first day out, now I was reading. You're like, I don't even make videos in the music, I make it movies in your next episode, because movie. Like, you're all, is that just a thing y'all grew up? - Call me, too. - I think, I think it's just, I think it's really just, it's just coming from nothing, and wanting to be something, you know what I mean? And showing people that, that hustling mentality, bro, 'cause like, like me, I ain't growing up father. Like, always say like, me not having to love my father. I said, I want to love from the world, if I can't get love from my father, I make the world love me, and that's what I went and did. I went and made the world love me, 'cause I only want to love from this one, man. And I couldn't get it. - Wow. - I can't get it from you, I don't make the world up. - So the next is, do you kind of owe him your career? - Yeah. - And it's the same thing. Do you think about that ever, like, then maybe I owe him my-- - I definitely do, 'cause if he was in my life, he probably would have told me, that's social media thing and it would work. - Oh shit. You feel me? - Yeah, me too. - So do you think about that, dumpster? - Absolutely, that's a deep thing you just said. - Absolutely, I always think about it, like, man, what are my father's in my life? His pain would have mattered more. You'd be like, man, that's social media thing. I'll go get you a job. But him and I beat him out, like, allowed me to know, like, what did you know him know? - What if he was like, go ahead, do that. That shit, go ahead. - I mean, he just, he just, my sperm don't show the world on that, but no. - As you know him, no. - He living my granddad addict, like, that's what's crazy about it, like, I only talk to him through the door. (laughs) - He had done that. - That's not the kind of reaction, right? - Yo, you serious? - Yo, that's a skit. - Did you touch it? - I was like, what are you talking about? - He's talking about me. - Yo bro. - All right, man. - So you decided money under the door? - Yeah, he's talking about money. - He's talking about money. - Okay, I'm on the floor, he's on the floor. - He's on the floor. - But when I come over, I literally hear him stepping up the stairs, he don't wanna see me. I don't know if it's an embarrassment thing. - Do you need literally or no? - I'm not for real. - I'm not for real. - No. - Fuck you, I can't trust comedians. - No, I'm not. - I don't want to see. - You can't trust it. - I'm trying to figure it out. - I'm improving like my man is talking about me. - He's trying to build on his right now. - No. - 100%. - 100%. - You feel the same way, don't you, but that Detroit. - Yeah, I feel like with us, the hustle start early. It starts super early from like walking to the stove. Like how am I gonna get this? - Exactly. - I used to do stuff like, man, I used to have to put a whole strategy together. - Yeah. - I'm gonna go and add the people card on the street. Then I'm gonna walk around like I'm watching cars, making them pay me the watch they try. - You need your grass, cut. - It's a snow shovel. It just start early, I gotta get some money. - Yep. And it's crazy because Detroit one of the only places you'll see a $2,000 house, one of the windows gone and you'll see a road is where it's parked on the grass outside of it. - Detroit is like that for sure. - Yeah, it's like the hustle there is a different. - Let me ask you, you're upbringing the things you've gone through as well documented. I was thinking you were saying, we all go through as a community. You think you'd be the artist you are today if you didn't go through the struggle you went through? - Nah. I wouldn't know how to be this artist. - Yeah. I wouldn't even know how to be this artist. I probably wouldn't even want to be this artist. - Yeah. Because it's not easy being the artist that I am. Even. - What part is not, what's the hardest part, the hardest parts? - The hardest part is like every artist won't want this type of commercial success on a certain level of commercial success. - Absolutely. That's every artist dream. But at the end of the day you have to, you got to just be a certain way and I'm just not that way. No matter if I try to dress it up, I still got, I still got this on me, you know what I'm saying? - What's this meaning like? - Like this, like I didn't, been in prison, family didn't been in prison, you know what I'm saying? Close family members got killed, you know what I'm saying? Something got killed while I was right there and this is all documented, you feel me and everybody not going to attach themselves to that. No matter that, I'm not even, oh no boys, you feel me, I'm really chilling, I really don't want no trouble. Because I've been going through it all my life. - And it's crazy, it's crazy what artists, she just got out. It's crazy what artists, because they'd be like, damn, like Niggas want to be in the streets and Niggas want to glorify this shit. And I'm really from the streets and that's the last thing I want to do. - I always say that. But sometimes we paint our pictures so well, so vivid. You know, I'm not going to lie, I grew up around some of my people that went to jail that I would fantasize about going to jail just because they painted the picture so vivid. What's beautiful about Y'all young men is that y'all painting a picture so vivid that isn't exactly that. So hopefully y'all live the life of a 40 year old because mostly y'all ain't thinking that y'all going to be 40. And when you get there and have the privilege that y'all have of seeing things the way y'all do, y'all is going to be able to impart that to a younger generation that's see y'all coming up like this. That's a privilege that I didn't necessarily have. I thought you were supposed to die young. And I know that y'all think y'all are supposed to die young too coming from where you're from. I'm 45 years old and I'm at peace with being 45 and alive to tell a story like Uncle that a lot of other young men weren't able to tell. - He was talking about his relationship with his dad, yours is the opposite, your dad got you started boxing because you was fighting like crazy. And you guys know this story? - Yeah. - He was fighting. - I see. - Like his school and his dad like I'm going to take you to the boxing room. You want to fight? - Oh, that happened to me. - Let's go fight this. That's how you got in the boxing room. How are you? - I was like seven eight years old and I was fighting a lot of school but I always learned to fight and I always been like good at fights since I was a young kid. So one day I got in trouble for fighting that school and my dad was like you want to fight I'm going to take you to the boxing room and you're going to get beat up. Every time you keep fighting this school I keep relieved back to the gym so I'm like I ain't like I'm not scared so my first day in the boxing gym I spark. - Which by the way it's great, no one sparks that first day in the boxing room. That's like a state month in there. - I don't know you in there to teach you a lesson as you're supposed to learn. - And long story short I did good like I got the best of the guy that was the kid that was boxing way longer than me. I still like I really didn't care for boxing like that. I was playing football at the time too so I was like all right like I told you I could fight but I just basically long story short I just stuck with it and I stopped playing football I stopped playing basketball I stopped getting into trouble and here I am. - When did you realize you're like oh this could I could take this all the way. - So like I want to say I was like 10, 11 years old and football team we lost every game. But you got to think when when you're young then kids they don't like they don't really care they don't take it seriously. They always hate to lose so it was like nah I can't be lose and my mission is bad. So the last game of the season I was like I quit I'm done. I'm done. We lost every game. This is not for me. Y'all don't care about winning. I care about winning. I'm not about to just be losing because of y'all. I'm about to go into boxing where if I lose it's because of me like I can control like you know my own destiny. - So I have a very point in the opinion that some people disagree with me that that when I show up to see you in a lomo fight where we're fighting the part of boxing that I love is you might lose like I like that you're willing to risk it. Like you willing to get in there and like lomo's a great fighter. I think you're going to get his ass but he's a great fighter. So but this thing of like a great boxer never supposed to lose to become a thing. - That's a difference with what boxing from any other sport like Steph Curry for losing a thousand games and he's still great. - Missed a thousand jobs. - I've run. Same thing. Jordan. Whoever. Football. Tom Brady. Whoever it is they can lose as many times as they want but still be great. And boxing they made it, they made it, Floyd made it to where he loses. - That's what he said. - But that's not true. I disagree with that. - But it's just, it's just how it is. - You subscribed to that? You think if you lose you're out of the conversation? - No, of course not. - Conello's lost. - And that's why I'm willing to put it on the line every time because this man putting it on the line. - That's why he's a young man putting it on the line with a, with a, with a old G too. - But I also feel like I'm the best as well so I don't even think about losing but I know that it's possible. I mean, just when you're going there you take that risk but I'm willing to risk it all to, to, to win big. - But Devin, it's interesting. You're undisputed, Chad. Well, let's give it up. Let's get it up for Chad. - It's 24. - Praise you, man. What? Do you feel you have more to prove? - This is just the beginning for me. So, I got so much success early in my career because I turned pro at 17. Man, I got so much to prove. I got a long way to go even though I've done like the, the ultimate in the sport of boxing. But I'm just keep just setting new goals, new goals, new goals and you know, striving for more. - Yeah. And I was reading, when you were first term pro at 17, used to fight in Mexico. - Yeah. - How many fights did you have down there? - I want to say I had like 11, 11 fights in my head. - What's your day I used to drive you, I used to just go, how do you, how do you, we, we, used to drive to Mexico? - He was looking for that. - And more. He used to fight. - Yeah, I used to fight. - And more like real life, real life. - Because you couldn't turn pro here yet. - Yeah. - You had to go do it. - So like, I auditioned to, to get my boxing license in California and they, they turned me down. They said I was too young. They didn't want me to get hurt. They didn't want me to be like a liability. So, it was like, it was like, you can go to Mexico and get experience and then. You know, once we see that-- Or get your ass kicked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or wouldn't a fight not make it up the bar owner? They want you. Because you fight against a home tag, don't go. No, no, no, no. You can win and lose. For sure. For sure. Even if you weren't lose, it's still experience. Yeah, of course. You might lose. And you can still come back and show that you're good enough to compete. You lose one to Tijuana fighting against a whole bar for Mexicans, that's just real. Home tag, guys. They're in the whole place against you. And if they just even come close to hitting the whole bar goes crazy, I don't want to talk my slip. I thought they were counting as a knockdown to win as the whole bar went crazy. I just slipped because there was some water on the floor. But it just, it just like, if molded me, it made me like-- once I was able to fight in the US, in front of my people, I was like, oh, yeah, this is-- I like this. Talking about your dad again, it's funny. He refers to you to boxing as punishment. Now he's talking more shit than you, right? I can't keep him. No, I can't. Pops me out. Pops me out. Pops me out. I just need to prove it. Yo, how you feeling about that? No, I love it. My pops, like, if anybody's saying anything bad, he's going to go at you, like, I'm going to tell them, like, my pops would be like, like, little YouTube channel. They're like, you're like, you're the worst part of it. You're the worst part of it, you're the worst part of it. You're going to be fine for the rest of your life. And what's crazy in a box is, it's like, like, my ride with my peers. They hate him more than they hate me. [LAUGHTER] I'm like, man, why do I hate him so bad? He's just talking shit. I want to go in there and take your head off. Pop, pop, pop, pop. I love to see your father be loved, yo. It's so, it's so strong, especially in his society, because it feels really good to see father's bang for his son. Who do you think are your rivals, by the way? You said your rivals. Tank, of course. What did you think of the fight? Tank and ride. Thought it was a good fight. I think that Ryan went in there, doubted his self, and I feel like he quit too, truthfully. After, like, whatever tank put on him early, he felt it. And he was like, you know, this is not something I want to do. Have you been hit with something before that make you re-question whether you want to be in the right-- I'm worse than you want it. What's-- see, without people don't know, is when you go in there, you fight under the light, through small gloves, everything hurts. All that shit hurts. Yeah, do it. What? On the arms, everything. Everything, all that shit hurt, but-- We just-- we just different breeds. But do it hurt in the moment or hurt out-- you would like-- I just find like, damn, they didn't get me in the arm on him. Say, when he hit me right there, I don't know what to do. Oh, you're moving out. No, what I'm saying is-- He hurt in the moment. Do you feel like you've been hit with that shot? Or hurt me? Yeah, for sure. You've been hit with that shot. Yeah. I did a fight. I fought a dude named Laurence. He hurt me so bad. He hit me. I didn't even fill it. I didn't even know that I was hurt. It was-- Where did you hit you at? Where did you get your chin? [LAUGHTER] On the butt, you know, right on the top. Crazy things. I didn't even fill it though. Like, it wasn't like, hold on, that was a good shot. I'm walking back to the corner, and legs a little-- Oh, fuck. Fuck. You like, I'm good. I'm actually good. I didn't even-- but I still didn't know until the whole crowd went crazy. Yeah. And I smiled, because then I began my senses, and I realized what I was going on. All that shit is experienced. No great fighter has fought and been great and not been hurt. Of course, I saw an experience. That's what I love. That's the difference in boxing and every other sport why I love boxing. Most of the time, I was like, use some of other sports. It's like a fuck up for Tom Brady's called Interception. A fuck up for a boxer is-- You sleep. You sleep. If Tom Brady missed it on the pass, Inter said to go to sign and figure it out. Absolutely. If you don't get back on the telephone, you here instead of here, you lights out that. Put that on the line as a whole-- It's a whole different story. It's a whole different mindset. Indian barris. Like a Steph Curry and LeBron miss it shot in the form. They messed that up. They threw a turnover. But boxing, you go to sleep. Yeah. Different type of nap. And the shot would bless to have guests such as yourself that have attained a certain level of success, right? Like whether it's massive roles or success or stand up and millions of followers, critically acclaimed albums, belts. At one point in your lives, success looked like where you're at, right? Success was to get a belt. Success was to have an amazing album or a sold out tour. Success was to have a show. Success was to have a-- what happens once you've reached it in your careers? Are there new goals? Like what success look like once you're successful? For like, when you get to the second floor, you see the third, you get to the third, you see the fourth, so on and so forth. You just keep going. Yeah. Now for me, I feel like it's just watching people who on their next level, like for me-- I get to always watch Kevin Hart, because no matter how big Kevin get, he always working, he ain't never working. I'll be trying any time I see Kevin, I'll be like, "But what keep you motivated?" And he always tell me, like, who else is going to do it? So that's my motivation to try to get to read it, so it takes some pressure off him, like, I'm chasing what he already got. But do you ever get nervous you do it? Because you're-- you've expanded, right? You have added many series. You started the big fellas tour. Then you got your every day shit. You do put out a lot, like every day grind. Yeah, well done. Do you ever feel like I'm doing-- but how do you manage to think about my spread myself to thin? I'll be always asking my team, like, "Well, am I putting out too much content?" And they'd be like, "No, you're not putting out too." I feel like I ain't putting out enough. And I might put out 67 videos a week. And the thing about social media comedy is, it's like the instant gratification is only right now. So I might get 3,000, 400,000 likes on the video. About tomorrow, they're going to forget. They moved on. They didn't move down. They didn't, like, like, TV put a song out. It's going to go for a year, two, three years. Like, social media is right now. You got to keep on coming, you know what I'm saying? So for me, it's never enough content to be put out. So it's never enough? No, it's never enough. But then you see, to your point, you see people like, I know you had lunch with Jay. And in the famous thing, like, everybody say the 500,000 or the dinner with Jay. You happy you took the lunch with him? No, I'm definitely-- I enjoy the lunch with Jay. Like, Jay, when I met Jay, like, bro, I ain't never seen a man I sat down, his shirt didn't wrinkle. [LAUGHTER] When Jay got to where his shirt didn't wrinkle, he was sitting down, Jay-- the ex was hungry, and Jay was like, no, I'm straight, we was starving, but we could be the only one eating Jay, not eating. So we left their star, and we had to come and say, we didn't get the-- we didn't get the lunch. But we had to come and say-- We say that, too, because I met with Jay, too. I think much of his house. Yeah. I met with him for, like, two, three hours. Yeah. Bro, I don't remember what he left it he said when I left. Like, it was like-- it was just like, I don't know-- It was a real moment. Why? Because you were like, in awe, like, I was in awe. Like, I never been a starstruck. Like, when I went to Jay house, I'd be honest to answer the door. Now, that's some different. I didn't get that tree. You got it in a different tree than I got. I would say right there. Uncle, I do want to give you the chance. Success, what success-- I mean, you're coming off maybe the most successful show this year of Snowfall. Do we have clapping up in the middle of that? Yeah, sure. Sure. Snowfall, oh, man, sure. You being-- not just a six, like, the character, right? We talked about earlier. What success look like for you from this point? Success is legacy. Look, I got to put a real strong character in the zeitgeist. I got to do that. I got to be everybody's uncle. I'm not ashamed of that. Somebody see me out in the street. Call me on. That's what I work for. But then it's about deconstructing that, getting back into the live and making another character just as impactful with as much integrity as the last one that I did. And success is making sure that my family is good, making sure to people that I came up with this good. And my wife, my children, making sure that I have a balanced life. That's what success is for me right now. How do you separate yourself from the last character when you play it so good, like-- Good question. --this character's out there where I only know them as that character, like that. So how do you separate yourself from the last character to, you know, the next character? I always say it is a way to get in and to get out of a character. A lot of people know a way to get in, but they don't know a way to get out. Like, you need the same type of intention of getting in, like getting in to-- I had to take the music of the times, which wasn't 80s, which was really 70s, because he's an older nigga, right? So I had to be able to go, OK, what's the George Clinton shit feel like? What's the-- you know what I mean? What does a person that's migrating from Louisiana or Texas or Alabama that's coming to LA, that they was born somewhere else? And then they take on the Los Angeles lifestyle, the South Los Angeles lifestyle, right? What do they wear? What's their influence on television? Is it black exploitation films? This is all your preparation. This is all my preparation to be on. So I have to look at all of that stuff and then be able to say, all right, that's how I got into it. How do you get out? How do I get out? If you don't have a way to get out, it'll stick with you. And a lot of times, we'll see people that are deal with that in real life. We'll see them have things going on in real life, where it's like, why is fan playing like his character? That's not who you are, you know what I mean? So you got to be able to wipe that away, have a clean slate, know who you are, get back to your, you know, your dean, who you are, your foundation, and then build upon that for the next character. That's part of the world. Is there a dream? A plan like that? Yeah, no, it's a plan. Unfortunately, who I love was Gandalfini. He became a pro in a way. And like, you know, he couldn't get out of it. He never really got out of it. It's too hard, right? First of all, Joker was like-- Yeah, no, Joker was the same thing. Yeah, no, it's a victim, right? It's addictive. It's addictive to like the success of a character that people like you. A lot of people haven't been liked. You've been an actor, you good, but you haven't been liked to the point of, yo, oh, that's not true. - Yeah, you know what if I love that? - In the belief in me. - And the mind doesn't know the difference from a truth and a lie. It just knows the repetition. - It's not a no. - Yeah. - Me and Maverick actually talk about this, heard a yo-goddy bar. He said something like bulletproof vest, bulletproof whip. I wasn't this gangster when I was a gangster. Do you feel your life has changed? Coming from the streets and being a rapper now. How has that changed? - Yeah, because it's like, when you're in the streets, yo moves that's low, don't nobody know nothing. Not that you got this, you know what I'm saying? It's light on you and all these eyes on you exposed to everybody, everybody who hates you and everybody who love you. Matter of fact, what some artists it is a character, even for myself, the character is becoming cleanly yourself up and becoming better person and watching what you say when you go out in front of cameras and people. That's the character, it's becoming better. - But ha ha for you also. You must get people coming to you all the time. Like, yo man, do that one. - Oh my God. - Pick me last. - Pick me last. - How you having? - I always take all the pictures and I always say all the lines. Like, but sometimes I do get tired of hollering. Big fella's car. (laughing) I get tired of hollering with some hair. But, at the same time. - It's your job. - It's your job. What about that kid, they might never see you again. So that one time that I did see you, I want you to leave, you know what I'm like. I met Ha Ha, one time. He was cool in the month. (laughing) 'Cause you might never see me again in life. - Or, if you were having a bad day, he was an asshole. - He was an asshole. - You know what I mean? - Yeah, an impression they don't ever have. I mean, how was the asshole? - The only thing I'm gonna do is cardio with my cardio. That's not fair. - What? (laughing) (clapping) - What? (clapping) - That's a classic. They got eight reps. (laughing) - What do you do with a Smith cardio? - Oh, hey, hey. (laughing) Bigger ass. (laughing) Hey, hey, hey, can you say big butter? Hey, hey, hey, can you say big butter? Thanks for listening to the Shop Uninterrupted. Make sure to subscribe, rate, and review wherever you're listening to the show. For full video episodes, check out Uninterrupted's YouTube channel, and for weekly show updates, follow the Shop Uninterrupted on social media. Lisa, tell them about our new show. We have a new podcast. I'm Lexi Juaneu, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. 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