155: Habitual Influence with Josh Homme | Soder Podcast | EP 150

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See packages and options at Toyota.com for future availability. Hey everybody, hope you enjoyed the podcast this week. I'm on the road. All tickets available at DanSutter.com. October 2nd and 3rd, I'm going to be coming to Albuquerque, New Mexico. Cusadas, doing four shows there. And then I will be in Salt Lake City at Wise Guys, November 5th through the 7th. And then comedy at the Carlson in beautiful Rochester, New York, December 10th through the 12th. Those dates are all coming up. Are all up at DanSutter.com. Thank you so much for coming and seeing me live. The shows have been so fun trying to build new material for when that special comes out at the beginning of next year. But you guys rock. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I know I was worried it was going to be a little too Chris Farley show, but I think I think we had a great talk. And Josh Homme is the man. So enjoy the episode and I'll see you on the road. Dude, you know, what's funny about that is that's like what comics have had to come to reckon with is that we don't have that skill. Like, well, but even beyond that, if I'm here to have a conversation, people like that conversation. Then they say, oh, do you have a record that I don't, you know, I completely fucking agree with you. That has always been my thing because it's it's similar to like, I don't know, when you make something like a stand up special or an album. Or whatever, it just kind of feels like it's like your little presentation and you don't want to force it on people. It's like and it's I feel like saying, you know, yeah, you know, and the worst question I get is when they go, you do stand up comedy and you just go, yeah, but now we're already off on the wrong foot. Yeah, because like it doesn't mean what you think. Yeah, because immediately they like a lot of people. I wonder, has anyone ever asked you to like busk like you're a musician play? Yeah, well, I. The funny thing is that happens sometimes at parties without them knowing that if I ever see someone pick up a guitar at a party and, you know, there's actually this I go to this one party. I'm with my two sons and my daughter and it's, you know, it's this manager guy and but he's a good guy and he manages, you know, some cool artists that I know that are. And so and apparently his neighbor was Harry. Dean Stanton. Whoa. Who's like right across the driveway. OK. This dirt road. And then it's which is awesome. That's pretty awesome. Fun neighbor to have. But I've always had this thing. Anyone that picks up a guitar and goes, oh, a guitar and starts playing at a party. I think you're fucking embarrassed. Yes. What do you think? Can I just tell you that there is something about being a fan of your band that this is just like an improvement, like structural improvement to my fandom? Yes. No. I mean, you see a guy pick up a guitar and you go, don't fucking do it, especially at a party. I want to go up to him and go, put that down right now. You're embarrassing yourself. I wish you had a badge and a gun. I wish you had a badge and a gun to go to just to put your hand over and go, sir, I'm going to ask you to put that down. Drop down. Drop that six year. So, son, you're not going to want to do this. Because for I mean, for me, I think as a comic, when you watch someone. Try to give a speech or like try to. Yeah, it's the try. Yeah, it's the trying is trying is the hardest part because you go like, oh, no, man. I'm talking about when there was like my my friend Big Jay is the perfect term for it. When someone hams. Right. When you're around a ham. Yeah, a fucking. And then they go, well, you should love this. You're a comic. And you go not like that, though. Not this way. And that's like to you, the guy with the acoustic guitar and the quad playing. Well, it's and I look. Yeah. And. And especially when when they. So even though Harry Dean Stanton is a national treasure. Sure. Absolutely. He's amazing. Yeah. But and but what he done was he he's there's a picnic table and he there's a guitar kind of within. I shot and he picks it up and he's sort of like, oh, oh, this guitar. And I love Harry Dean Stanton. But I was like, don't do it. He's a super old man. Yeah. And he picks up the guitar. And I'm standing there with my youngest Wolfie, who at the time was like seven. Yeah. Something like six or seven. And Harry Dean Stanton starts singing in Spanish. And he's like, oh, and of course, the party starts to go like, what? Yeah. And everyone starts looking and they sort of gather around. And but it was because it was like a movie where I'm looking for like hidden cameras. You're looking for also for someone to confirm. You're looking for someone to confirm your reality, which is like, yeah, did Harry Dean Stanton just fucking start singing in Spanish. Right. And and it was. Yeah, it sounded great. And yeah, I love Harry Dean Stanton. But I just was like, oh, fuck, this is cheesy right now. And I and and so he finishes this song and everyone's like, what the what the fuck? Mind you, it's daytime, too. So it's like five o'clock or so. And and my son goes, Jesus, let's get out of here. As soon as they got quiet. Seven year old being like. I don't know. I think I got some. I got some toys to play with because this thing is out of the fact that he was like, Jesus. And it was right at the quiet moment. So everyone looks over him and I'm like, all right, let's. Yeah, he's got, you know, kids. I don't opinion. I was like, chip off the old block. But the fact that he saw it and knew that the energy was because daytime when there is no allure of candlelight or there's no like. There's no like ambiance to it. There's just kind of like you see everything. And there's no glue of late night drunkenness like I can foresee a world. And there have been times where I have one friend in particular who is he likes to he really loves to he's proud of his friend's talent. Sure. It's very genuine. And he has these really he loves to play Cupid and has these. You know, this strange chemistry of people's personalities come over. And this is what he loves to do. And it's very cool. And so he is a couple of times. He's just walked up and put a guitar in my hand where I'm like, he knows I fucking hate this. Right. Yeah. But we're in this situation. He sometimes has people, you know, from Ukraine or something come and play and you watch. And so it's very old school in the way these parties are designed. Yeah, that's the kind of situation. Where you go, well, that's fucking awesome. Not the kind where they go, hey, do you do this? Right. But in the one case was like after a folk music master. And he's like, Josh plays. And I was like, no, don't you fucking do this to me. I was sniffing, sniffing glue in the parking lot. I can't. But I look over at you and you're like, oh, I can't. At least it's midnight and everyone's a bit lubed up emotionally. And people and people also there really is something to be said. And I can tell you about the way shadows play into it and like, you can hide into it. Yeah. Yes. By the fire. It's as Kumbaya as it could be with and mushrooms or people, you know, that's what it is because big Jane. I always had a term called day evil because you'd go to a music festival and you'd see like an evil metal band and they're like during the day and they're like, Satan's coming. It's like, I can see you sweating through your makeup, dude. This isn't evil. It's hot in hell too. To their defense. To be fair. It is hot. It is hot. Yeah. And in the, in the inferno. But there is something about like the idea of doing something after, like you said, like a folk music master, then you go don't do, yeah, I, you don't want to be the B and an AB comparison. Yeah. No one wants that. Yeah. I, uh, I did a pro I like rarely ever do private events like court, you know, like they'll like ask comics. What is it? Because it's never good. Yeah. It's never good. It's never fun. It truly is. Uh, the closest to comedy can get to. It feels like stripping or hooking. Right. It feels like hooking. Right. Cause you go in and they go, keep your shirt on. Talk about your dad. Well, especially these events where people don't care or their charity events where people have, they're, they're more like, I just wrote a check for 45,000 or a hundred thousand or whatever. That's almost, you're right on. Fuck it. Yeah. So this is like 2017, 2018 or my agents like it's in Manhattan. You can do it after you do the bonfire. You can go right there. I'm like, fucking fantastic. Before I'm leaving my apartment, in queens i go let me bring a button down just in case i'm wearing a denver nugget shirt and i'm like let me bring a button down just in case this is a kind of a nice event it's a gala for cancer doctors i think that's when you gotta wear your jersey show up in a yoke it's jersey like who wants to ball out if ever there's a moment to truly be yourself like i i was uh i hooked up a friend and and bill burr yeah you know uh about an a fundraiser sure and you know i think the difference between a charity event and a fundraiser is that that's so specific yeah to like charity is abroad i i know it's fundraising there but this was so specific sure and there's like big donors and things like that so i i i played cupid and um but i knew because i'd done one of these events before yeah how much the audience is like just talking while you're doing your thing and oh yeah yeah oh yeah dude that's so organic yeah my bourdain candle they're fucking rules but and i took my daughter yeah and i was saying um we were i was saying bill's gonna bomb this is gonna be the funnest thing i've ever seen and i was telling her you're not playing cupid you're playing don king you're putting a man into a ring to die you're you're sending a man to his death you're not there's no love in this but he knows yeah he knows well burr is also john j rambo yeah i mean if you didn't know from the philadelphia incident you can drop that man and he'll kill this is what i knew like yeah he was full napalm crooked government guy that's like i had to send you back into vietnam rambo we had people we had to get out he could eat stuff that would make a belly go pew yes dude that's the line i always quote i know because i trained him yeah you better get a lot more body bags rambo john j i just watched this with her the other my daughter the other day too you are you're murdoch you're sending him in yeah i know because i trained him yeah yeah he's you know uh it's richard krena as the actor in that and he is overacting so hard so hard that it circles back around again and you say to yourself no i support this choice on the rooftop is the one where he's like what do you want and that's when sly's giving it like they're all dead that's how he cries you know what i stand by it i stand by that decision dj did you know that in the original first blood he had a lot of like arnold schwarzenegger lines he had a lot of like oh yeah it's like this one's sticking to your head oh thank god they took him out yes yeah that's a good movie it's a great it's a good movie i have a theory that if he would have died after first blood sylvester stallone there would be like awards in hollywood for him for sure he would have rocky and first blood yeah i think he also used bill conti the conductor which sounds like but it's not bill conti yeah sorry if i'm real bill conti you're being a real conti right now but who did the score and it was like that boom boom boom boom boom yes when he's running up boom boom boom it's a great tension and he puts it around oh damn i watched first blood this weekend on the road i saw it i saw it i was we i saw it on a vacation with my daughter and we're just snuggled you know watching this and she looks over and she's like this is fucking great you know that's she's 20 yeah we we always used to joke around about uh if if brian denny he just let him get a sandwich so we did on the such a terror in that movie we did on the bonfire we did ramble if it worked out or if he goes let me give you a ride and he pulls him up to a diner and he goes you don't look like you had money i got your sandwich he goes the feel good hit yeah what happens when two guys he goes i respect thank you for your service then he goes this tuna sandwich is pretty good why don't you stay at my place and fall in love so you send bill burr to die so i said i and obviously bill knows this this is going to be tricky but bill's a guy that doesn't hide stuff so is he like what are you doing am i gonna bomb he was like so you did this before you did what what happened what happened to you before he's writing it down in like a notebook he keeps in his back like an assassin he's so far from stupid i mean that he's and he's done a million of these but i don't you never can fully prepare for the level of these are like big donor yeah so they're they're bill contes i mean they're helping people but they were like half million dollar check everybody yeah you know yeah oh was that me oh did i just save lives and he's he's emceeing so he has to go back again and again and to his credit he is not pulling any punches as he never does yeah and and and it's bombing and he's like what is everyone you know messing around with their butter or something you know he's he's then he turns the attack on them which is what he should do and but every time he sits down i am dying laughing and he's like yeah i can't believe you were raised by this asshole saying to my saying to my dog can i just say i just think i found out through this story the perfect speed for bill burr which is taught him talking to your kids about you point blank range is but then i'm like it was my own private idaho show right and i was and i was like listen to him he's dying right there he's like shut shut your mouth i can't believe you're raised by this this asshole and it it really brought us closer well those events you know redheads need to like keep it in tight that we're we're under threat constantly constantly and i and i it ain't easy man where your meetings are yeah i'm not like i'm gonna tell you what the truth is if you have a little red in your beard and you can't go i'm friends with michelle wolf i can get her in no he's not no he's not get him out of here no he's not that's a lie she's another great she's great i mean truly one of my favorite people on earth i love to death in fact you met her tonight drinking together it was awesome fun to drink with y'all it was a blast she that voice it's fun she get a couple drinks in her and she goes i don't know what happened i'm gonna tell you right now man that's a cool ass cat that's michelle michelle drunk she goes it's just the no here's another thing she sounds like elephants i could have used more of her radio voice she uh she fucking rules but the the gal that i went to with the like the shirt it's not only cancer doctors but they go great so there's these three doctors gonna go up before you and then you'll go up and i go cool whatever it's three doctors shredding on guitar like fucking like a van halen solo like and they're like which is what everyone wants to hear is you do a ripping solo alone there was three of them and they all like playing together they played together and then they all did solos and then they brought me up but i think that speaks to the kind of precision you want from a brain a cancer brain doctor yes you want someone to rip a lead on your head you know with prestige yeah you don't want a guy that's sloppy i don't want a slide guitarist don't drop the hook like in the wrong spot inside me yeah and leave it there yeah my mom used to uh work in insurance for medical malpractice no yeah dude she told me some fucking go luigi yeah she was like she's like take them all out there's nothing there but she would tell me that like the doctors that had good bedside manner yeah that were nice yeah never got in trouble yeah but the guys that came in and were like quiet and you know here's what you're gonna do you know i said the guys that were nice always fucked up and they never got sued she said they'd leave sponges in them and shit and the people would come back and they'd be like ah they're pulling it out he goes but yeah eric's a nice guy yeah oh my god yeah yeah that's always the worst my rolex so anytime i see it anytime i go to a new doctor and they're nice i'm like i don't know if you're the one for me give me the conti bill conti i want a guy that's like why why does your body look like that it's gross and i go you're i mean with what what i'm interested in is when you do a like a benefit like this and you don't feel like it goes well is there any part of you that's like yeah why don't you listen to one of my fucking albums oh well i you know i've sort of learned that uh i mean i i can't help i don't always have a very good filter and so yeah you know i and the one i did i i was like you know send more butter to the assholes at table 15 but you're playing you're not listening anyway so i might as well do whatever i would like to do to feel to try to reclaim my own yeah you know i guess it's ego because you're like you're not listening to me but it's understandable because the whole point of this is like this is kind of like a thing of like i'm gonna go up here and do this please just listen you don't have to like it's i think it's about respect you know it's disrespect it's a little disrespectful but but also you're in a room with 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harry conti bill harry conti bill harry conti middle name harry but he made you know like 1600 libraries around the country and they're gorgeous buildings and you know you know uh have this you were the greater good and the education of the general public for people that can't get there meanwhile bezos made the biggest yacht ever so i you know and it's just i don't know if there's you want to talk about that not having um like a filter she had a work trip where she took me and we went to like this like thing in france because i filmed my special and she's like do you want to go to france the week after for free yeah i was like fucking a yeah i've never been yeah yeah let's go to the south of france it'll be cool it ended up being just this like hellscape marketing conference it truly was this it was the i think it was the sixth level of hell it wasn't the it wasn't i love that she left that out to get you to go she didn't know we found out together in real time no that they're going to france for the they kind of were just like yeah you're gonna come and do a panel and you get a free trip and she was like great and then people were starting to drop knowledge on us after it was locked in that we were like oh this could fucking suck yeah so then one of our friends is having this like party at night we go out to dinner and he's like it's like a cocktail gathering or whatever and it's all these corporate people with very corporate attitudes which i just there's a reason i don't i would have gotten fired that's why we don't have that job i don't i would get i always say my personality is i would get in trouble at any of those jobs they're gonna be like dan you can't talk like that you gotta go to hr yeah hr would hate to see me coming yeah but we're sitting at this party and we're talking and one of the guys is like did you see amazon built a medieval town square it cost them a hundred million dollars and they recreated this mid-century and i fucking and i just go but you can't pay your fulfillment center workers yeah you just gotta piss in a bottle exactly you can't fucking give them a little bit of fucking money it's just gross cut it off why so you could put more plastic in your sex lizard wife yeah and then like and these watching these guys watching it not be reciprocated is the problem that i had right now i'm just sweating in linen like saying my you don't enjoy i'd say i quite enjoy it i think that's i need to i love i love creating that uncomfortable as a response to dickish behavior well just just especially even if your art isn't going well i'm like i always think oh let's ride this thing all the way down you know and to reference something of your own without making it awkward live in london uh over the years and through the woods where you point out the guy and you go hey you stop pushing people yeah you cocksmoker well and then it goes but that that was something that i heard on an album when i was younger that i go that's the energy that i want which is like you're seeing something you have it and you're calling it out in a way that's not too dickish it's got some funny in there yeah which sugar makes the medicine go down yeah i i i you know i uh it's a weird wrestling match that i've always gone through because we're called queens of the stone age just you know and so that the wrong element of you know um no homophobes no racists no uh misogynists you know what i mean like just to turn off in an attempt that would ban you going to see tonight and it's like i don't want to say yeah and it's like well what who why who is it queens of queens of the stone age you know just almost to try to i like that but by the same token you know i've been i had i understand i've been thrown out of places for getting in for fist fight you know i so but if i see something you know if i see someone like that knocking some gal around i'm gonna stop right now and say something i but i understand also when people look at me sometimes they're like big guys you know yeah there's a lot to reconcile but i just don't care it's like you have to figure that out i'm gonna i'm gonna do this when i see that that's going on i think that's uh a position that more people should take which is just like hey if you see something fucked up it's is it is right now do something it's okay to speak up right then even if someone's gonna go hey that was rude or that was this you go well i'm fucking watching it and i don't like it yeah i'm not gonna watch that i'm watching someone else that's the important thing i think what sucks right now about it but that happens to me even if we're out somewhere yeah if there's some at a at a dinner or if you're in a bar or if you're shopping so you go it's cool when it's on stage at an olive garden it's a little different well no but it's like he's already had enough well if you had too many breadsticks and they're not unlimited i just hate any bullying behavior and i cannot sit by and watch yeah you know so it's you know or just like i'm a father of three and you know there's been times i've seen someone in the supermarket swag their kids yeah and i'm just like i can't do it i'm sorry and i just go over and well and say you're about to be swagged with a baguette yourself yeah i'm about to hit you with a bag of oranges you know but i mean you need to make a judgment call and say put it on the scales and say quickly what am i going to do here yeah but i just i don't know i think it's it is that you know it's that old red head thing you deal with too and like redhead i got a gay brother and it's like i remember it's like no one's gonna pick on us you know what i mean that's what no one's gonna no one's gonna pick on us for long - What was the first instance of you a redhead where it's like because you know every kid has their thing but also every kid has their tipping point sure the first time where you make like almost this noise where you go you're almost just like diarrhea out the anger of you felt yeah where you're just figuring out what to do with this you don't know the speed yeah you don't know the gas pedal yeah so you hit the gas and you go holy shit i went fast i had a giant head i've always had like a bulbous head like a giant ball and it's in the netflix what do you mean had i mean yeah but yeah it's it's just been a macy's day float my whole life yeah and there is a moment at school where you go like the big charlie brown yeah just bumping into shit going down the avenues but if you but there is a moment when you're a little kid and i think every person has this because every person has an insecurity or every sure when you have red hair kids are stupid so they see red hair and they're like that's not a lot of this right here that that i think i think that's why i ended up really falling in love with comedy too is that you know um the first thing you do is it's physical and you have to challenge your own fear of uh i don't know what these do or uh i don't know what getting in trouble feels like what does it mean to get in trouble what does it mean to stand up for yourself and so you try something physical and you know when you're little that looks like you know and but um but then you you you sort of try to navigate what that means and you know and the fact that especially in this day and age where someone says there's never a moment you know violence is never the answer and you're like oh that's you just don't i haven't lived in that world you know that's not true i don't think it's true yeah it's a ridiculous you're only saying that because somebody rough created an environment that's not true and i think it's a ridiculous environment for you to have this delusion basically that's actually a very that's actually a very good point yeah where it's like because of someone violent you're able to go violence is never the because of someone that could intimidate a bullies off of you and people yeah that influence these other people to stop their inappropriate behavior that you are in a safe zone and safety is really what you were it's not what you are it's a past tense thing you that's a that's an interesting point if it's like it was you were safe and now you're in this situation but it's also as a child of the 80s that grew up with karate movies yeah that was always the same thing of this this guy's like i don't want to fight and the bully's like i'm gonna fight they're always bullied into fighting i mean i understand that as real yeah you know and and um but then you know um you start learning the power of words and that really physical fights are won and lost with someone's willingness sure way before you know um and that those you know i've been hit before and those scars they they go away quickly and um it's not that bad but the scars that um are laid on you when you quit on yourself or you allow someone to humiliate those things take years and years to heal those scars they also fester yeah and and and they they they change the trajectory of your lifestyle and your choices like when someone's being um like i think it's important to be kind to someone and to be kind to someone and to be kind to sure but to be nice i don't know maybe there's a semantic difference in my mind where it's like um to be nice is you're just kind of following rules because you're too afraid to stand up for yourself or your your loved ones or your people you care about and so um and you're sort of using that as this badge of honor like i'm nice when it's like you're just too afraid to stand up for i don't i don't i don't i don't recommend that for someone's life and to you know i think that's a that's something that's a big part of it i think that's a big part of it i think that's a big part of it that as a like a formal former people pleaser like clearing in my 30s yeah that's so yeah i mean i was so valuable because i want to you're right i'm like i don't want to i don't want to make you upset but also by doing this i haven't addressed the problem now and you really are saying will you take all this power from me and just hold on to it and i'll just you know i i used to do that with hecklers hecklers would be heckling and then you know what happened is i wanted to be nice and i would shut it down and it'd be quiet but then what would happen is then i go back to doing my act and i feel like i'm doing my act in front of people and i feel like i'm doing my act in front of a room of people that i genuinely hate and have not addressed yeah and i've not addressed it you've allowed them to flourish actually and they're just sitting there kind of controlling the energy of the room yeah and it was the late great patrice o'neill and i saw him do this multiple times in clubs in new york and i just fucking straight up stole the move because it works when someone's talking now i'll give them a chance i'll fuck around with them but i'll take this rope yeah and then the second time i saw him do this move where he goes how many of there are you all right great i'm gonna pay for your bill and they go great he goes cool now get out and they're just they're left standing with nothing well i think you realize the importance of uh the importance of words the power of words and the power of your willingness when you can craft the words in the right way because then it quickly became all right i know i can be physical sure i i would like to make sure i'm putting this in the right spot and i'm waiting till the last possible there's no other way out yeah i was so i want to make sure i'm using this in the right moment and and then now i'm practicing my words because you know when you're redhead the first thing someone says is you know i can't tell you how many times i've heard or been at a bar where it's like whatever carrot top and i and i so i i started saying things like uh carrot see on the carrot top is the only part of a carrot that's green why don't you go why don't why don't you go outside and i want you to think of a couple burns that are really worthy of whatever the way you're dressed and then once you come back in when you're ready and then you can go again until then once you go outside by the way when you're saying when you you start you're actually you're sort of imposing this will and you're you're actually implanting scars that are much more dangerous they're gonna wake up the next day and and and and i or and then then getting enough understanding to say or why don't you just sit here and i'll buy a drink and you can figure it out for yourself that's great and so that you open the door and you extend a hand to to say you're being bill conti right now but that's also you've got a chance to ramble that's the part no one talks about those that there isn't a lot of hands out and there also is but i'll tell you right now that that carrot burn right now if that would have hit me there i would have just been in traffic a week later and gone he's green you just like yeah i mean it's the only somewhere and you go it's fucking those those ones you're right hurt more than a black eye or anything just when you think about something that comes back and you go but i i also think the point isn't to try to humiliate someone either it is to say you know i've fought a few people that end up being really close with because you end up knowing them sure more than their friends and family could because you've been through this extreme situation with them and you pierce a layer you're piercing like a little layer through them if even if it is through conflict at first where you go like yeah i know you now in a couple different speeds yeah well i but i i mean i and and fighting and arguing is not my priority in this life but it's just i do think you should have a skill at that i do i do also put my kids in martial arts so they don't have to because it instills this confidence where my son the other day was in a situation when he was in school where he just looked at someone and said don't do this that's great and and at first the other guy was like oh don't do this and and he said yeah yeah don't do this don't do this yeah and and the other guy ended up saying i won't do this and and i just think it it gives him the confidence to say i know what i could do and i'm i don't i actually don't want to do it do you want me to do i'll do it if you want me to but it's not i think that's truly where the evil people in this world prospers they don't expect people to push back they like when people just lay down and they go fuck you then i'm just gonna run all over you now i don't even care yeah because that a lot of times it is you know and all this stuff stems from being insecure it is it's all i was just gonna say it's all that hackneyed phrase hurt people hurt people yeah it's all people i mean that's true it is true but you know what's funny is i don't know we're not like talking about the album but that line on easy street about i'm not violent you know like that guy's been dead a long time yeah and you're like that is how you should think when you're in a situation where you're not violent you're not when you get over 40 if you go like i can i can use my words better than i can i think it took going through that process of of displaying your willingness sure i i think sometimes uh a display of fearsome acts is what keeps people off of you that's what i understand yeah but also i i'd hate to stay there and so i feel way beyond that now where um no there's a way there's a there's a a much better way that i can fight you and i can fight you and i can fight you and i can fight you i understand now and i'm thankful for but that because i'm a little bit of like at times it took going that that route of experiencing the physical side and all that to get to where i understand so much just have an understanding now i think learning that you can make a mistake and it isn't permanent is a very important thing of improving your overall life you should tell that to a bunch of other people guys guys write this down It's okay making mistakes, but I do think like I think that's also the thing that i love about music or the thing i love about any art is that it's made from all these mistakes it's made from like like i like you know i'm writing a new hour right now there's jokes that i love and then they fail and i go fuck that joke and six months later i come back and i go i fixed it yeah i i wasn't equipped to understand i wasn't equipped to understand how this joke works or this song works i do that all the time so that's what i was going to bring up because something that i love on the and i did get to listen to the new album early yeah but you do you brought you brought back a song that i loved off the iggy pop post-pop depression album sunday yeah and you did it for as queens and i was like oh this is sick yeah and that is and that's i guess that was the question i had for you because you know make it what you was on desert sessions then it's on era vulgaris and i've seen that with a bunch of songs well and it's fun to know like i know and i this is what him and i were talking about because we're about to edit the special a lot of times you do a stand-up joke you record it and then after that you're still doing it until the special comes out and then you find like yeah three tags that you go oh i wish i had this thing's fucking tight now well it's in the failing of it the first times and art you know i think art needs to fail and fail and fail and take these chances in order to get to that higher expression and um and oftentimes people that are fans of what that failure and you have to be able to say to them yeah well this is what it takes you know wisdom comes from experience experience comes from bad decisions yeah and and and like in the case of that sunday is different than the the other songs like make it with you and stuff that came from the desert sessions because in the case of make it with you i did it on desert sessions because i was afraid to do it for queens i was like oh i don't know if this will work and maybe it's too bluesy or to this or to that and like maybe we can't pull it off even though the goal of queens is to be able to play anything that sounds good like ween basically like the band ween just to be ween yeah you know um and um and all you have to do is believe it you know and make it and and have it come from an honest place and then you can play whatever yeah and and so now i think i've learned to to accept that you're afraid or that you feel insecure about something and allow that vulnerability actually to to be the at the vanguard of what you're doing and you know i used to you know i figured out this like anger is the sword i hold in my hand which is hurt so if i'm afraid or upset or insecure i'm like oh you know i used to react quickly that way that's a young man's reaction yeah but now i now i know it's all right to say i'm actually terrified right now so you know saying i don't know and i was like the first time just i started feeling comfortable going oh i don't know right she's like oh that's all right yeah we're in my 20s i'm glad that's cool that she said that back too because because it should be okay it should be yeah i think i was i had been with people and i had been around people that weren't okay with that what do you mean you don't know you got it and you're like and that's when you're like your frequency starts going like fuck well you know i always thought you know life is is habit forming and and and your decisions are contagious and so panic breeds panic confidence breeds confidence and so there's that sort of act like you know or fake it till you make it that seemed mandatory but i think when it comes to making art and trying to actually make art that teaches you you can become a better person if you work on an hour of comedy stuff and or an hour of music if you're really really honest with it and you say you know i've had lyrics before that seemed cocky and weren't true and then i just changed them to what they really what i was really saying which is i didn't think i'd ever live this long and i don't know and i'm feeling this instead yeah and you know and felt so much better about that move like i actually moved forward in a good way you know no that is by the way that is um that it's it's really hard to perfectly describe in words what you're saying like but i understand what you because there is is something that i learned in my 40s something so freeing about just going like oh this is an imperfection of mine and that's an imperfection and that's just what it is yeah and it's uh like trying to trying to fill that or change that would make it not be what it is yeah it's not pretending i'm fully formed and i've got nowhere left to go yeah it's and i think right now especially in the age of everybody watching so much of other people but not being around a lot of other people you're 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um and we're waiting in line and watching people go oh my god like and then as soon as the picture's done go yeah the drop the face drop is and i was like aha like the fuck did i just see like i just haven't seen that much of that i've you know living in new york city i walk through shoots so i know you turn a corner and there's a ring light and you're like what am i doing and the girl's like excuse me and you're like it's 26th street yeah i'm just walking to fucking get a coffee and i was like you embarrass yourself right now that's i feel like i know but you also take it you take you're taking your own risk here you're subjecting yourself to whatever i'm about to say because i'm you know are you live streaming there you go let me get on there i love watching the things they go on uh you know online where it's like someone is holding this croissant and they always start the same they're talking they're alone but they're like hey guys it's like there's no you're by yourself it's like this croissant and someone walks by and just goes hot you know it just takes a bite or something a video that made me laugh was this guy was going around union square and obviously don't do this because it's probably pretty dangerous in new york but people that were on their phones like either facetiming or on speaker like yeah i'm in union square and he would just film him walking up and going boop like it just deleted and they'd be like hello hello and they turn around obviously that might be a plant that might have been but made me laugh so hard because how many times i've wanted my thing is you know we're talking about people are willing to spill all over you hey denise denise or facetime yeah i'm just a dude yeah the one that like there's no there's no uh there's no decorum it's it's a little tough to come by you know or people with their kids ipads at dinner like i don't want to watch paw patrol i made it past that whole thing yeah those dogs they're not solving shit i don't know if you've ever seen it they're not solving a fucking oh god they're not solving anything and they shouldn't be doing detective work no these are pups that you know what they should do is they should make they should do a uh a follow-up of paw patrol but it's like nypd blue where they're like i need to see you in my office you're be you were sending you to the pound you're being a real bitch i have to be i am i've got six nipples and you go that's fine and it's and it's fair that you're a bluey house that theme song is great slips nip slips i'm just it's too popping out but talk about controlling your rage the one that i have an issue with is now it's just a full problem if you live in new york city when you're getting off the subway people are looking at their phones up the stairs to get out of the underground for god's sake man you're like we're getting out of the hole yeah get out of yeah get out of the hole get out of the hole that's when we start yelling i think the the the difficulty is is that you know you're not complaining you're noticing this thing which you're forced to deal with which is a new thing which is um people's um deliberate um ignorance of the space around them yes you know or just flat out disrespecting the space around well they're they're so you know inside of their own buttholes that that you know it's hard up there yeah they're cuckoo things are tough in there it's pretty hopefully tight it's hopefully yesterday's news just passed right by me but i i i think because i you know i'm a voyeur so i like to look around and i i love the little details i love window you know when you're on tour you know this you're window shopping other people's lives oh my god you see couples a date or they're having an argument or you see you know kids like chase a bubble in the part it's like you see all this idyllic stuff from arm's length that really makes you long for home yeah and um uh and as a mirror of where you're at in your life because you notice the things that you're looking for in that moment it's like so i tend to notice like family things and and young love and all that stuff and it's what it helps me to write this to to be a voyeur like that it's a you know people's lives and or and what i am projecting on them when i think they're doing you know but um uh when people are just like that um they're immediately uninteresting in that process for me and so it's like not you gary you know not you tina yeah you're you're really swiping you're doing a live swipe yeah you know i'm gonna start doing that out loud no that's actually a great idea that that that's snacks that's a good idea i go i go swipe right you're a horrible piece of shit get off your phone you just stand in front of someone it's not working i mean that's assault i'm just gonna be pawing people's heads boom get out of the way with that like you know i mean we're talking about controlling our anger and stuff but as someone that you know and as a fan of yours that's and i've watched you evolve as a musician and as an artist i think has been so rewarding as someone that came into the band as a musician and as an artist i think has been so rewarding young i think i was you know like 18 when i first got into you guys i'm in my 40s when you say came in the band i go oh i busted i was busting i thought i recognized yeah you were a young tart back then but i as someone that got like became a fan when i was like you know 18 and aggressive and just that not kind of figuring it out kind of being like yeah well you have you know i think you know there's a you know i i was angry i didn't understand why you know i didn't understand and and and music was the ultimate outlet for figuring out why yeah you're upset and and and you know also feeling bad about being upset like that was the thing that i always when i was young is i would get fucking super angry and then have this like hello like look at your hands like what do they do yeah be embarrassed about like that's what and i i would see red you know yeah i where i have no friends no family just completely see red and i felt really almost like i was like oh powerless to those moments sure and uh music was so helpful because it just it presented it presented a way out that that felt um like as much about discovery of what's going on as as calming it sure so you know but when you when you're doing that like as your way in i think is just everything you've been saying what's been great about being a fan of yours is actually watching this evolution that kind of in a way is we're in parallel with a lot of a lot of the fans of the band's lives which is you kind of get older and you go i still have a little bit of that vinegar in me yeah but now i kind of know how to use it better yeah and i think that's what i love about the new album is that it's like one of my best friends in the world victor shout out big uh shout out to vic but i sent him the album and i was like you send this to anybody i'll fucking kill you you're telling me that yeah give it back to me victor you gotta give it back but we we talked we talked about it and he was like i just sat down and listened to it i fucking love the album or whatever i said you know what it feels like not seeing a friend for a while and they show up with a little gray hair but you go you're aging nice you know you show up to a friend you go you look fucking you look like as you're getting older better and it's like listening to this album that's what it felt like it's like i appreciate that i mean i i i you know i think it's easy to predict what the number one complaint that from our fans to me would be it's just easy to predict it's like why don't you just stay the same why can't you just do this same thing over and over even though they should know that that's never gonna happen and and but uh but so you just push that aside and you let yourself move forward and i never could have this whole album's about only about love and you know significant others insignificant others being destroyed by love and and also it being the only like conduit to to present hope and your way out and and in all in an attempt to get free in this life right but i couldn't have done that without everything that's happened before and you know and um and i think like you know uh unfortunately at times and not on purpose some of my difficulties that that i experienced in a short period of time but they're just the same difficulties everyone has either gone through or will go through and um so i just have been relying on or leaning into that that we're all gonna be going through this and that people that have taken a long journey with us much like one of the hobbit movies yes most notably the third which it ended four or five hundred times god damn i mean i remember watching that in theaters and being like i mean the ring's gone that many the ring is gone the guy you're watching goes that many characters do need to say goodbye to each other it is almost like the um it is like spies like us doctor doctor yeah hobbit it's like frodo frodo silbo sildo sam dildont it's his brother they're twins dildo and dildo i mean this guy's got such a fun name of course i'm the bookkeeper of course i'm the square of the group i'm dildo um but i i think that you know it allows you to to get to this spot that that you that i'm i i'm thankful for i'm thankful i'm not in the same old spot you know what i mean and that's i think um especially now with all the modern marvels and science and stuff there's this thing about people trying to stay the same you know like i'm gonna stay the same age stay young stay young i'm not gonna and and i think it hits all of us in different ways but like you what i always love is seeing an older person that has figured it out that just knows their shit you know like my grandma was like that she was the oldest person that lived in my family and even though she wasn't the perfect grandma the thing that i really really respected about her she knew her shit yeah she's like i'm gonna stay the same age i'm gonna stay the same age i'm gonna stay the same age i'm gonna do my crossword experience yeah for 97 years yeah i'm gonna have my iced tea in the afternoon i'm gonna have my carlo rossi at night yeah i follow the 49ers i'm just you know i'm an old lady that i read the san francisco chronicle front to back every day yeah intelligent and it was like that was the only person in my whole entire family that seemed to have in a way yeah figured it out and i was always like that's interesting to watch well growing up in the palm springs palm desert like joshua tree area yeah i was always like that's interesting to watch well it's nothing but old people and so i just learned from a very early age i just fascinated with old people because that's all i was surrounded by yeah that is crazy it's like you know yeah i mean that's i mean you are literally in the era where that's where they send them they send them from the east coast of palm people work their whole lives to get there and they're like i did it and then they sort of start that chapter and so growing up around people that felt that way about where they were at in their life i ended up having this this really overwhelming influence of like my next door neighbor gertrude crane that had a white corvette stock that was 70 a 72 yeah stingray white and her hair went up over and out and then wisp like that and she'd be like sweetie grab my groceries and then i would do that and then she would say you know i got you something in there and there'd be a little licorice and i would sit and then she would tell me these stories that were about her going to you know dances and things like that and i would just sit there for hours and listen to her it's always so realizing you're older now but you were young and catching all these cool stories yeah um i don't know it just i've always that's why i'm always keen to meet someone's grandmother yeah or you know i think i you know and she passed away a couple years ago and i think the thing that i really regretted about it was the i've heard you do bits about her yeah i have it's my whole closer is about cleaning out her house because that was a son of a bitch yeah found some crazy shit yeah but she was a person that i realized dill don't what dill don't dill don't tell me dill don't tell me what you found i'll see it on the special but you know i think something that is about old people is they they do have these experiences that even if you read it or watch it in a documentary when you hear it from the mouth of the person just sitting there you go yeah in their words it's real yeah i took my grandma to the second to last 49ers game at candlestick park so i drive her down to candlestick park we're driving back up to her house and we're going through oakland that's where my dad's from and that's where my grandma and grandpa live forever and we're driving over the bay bridge and my grandma just very quietly goes you see that hill right there and i go yeah she goes your grandpa and i had a picnic up there at night when the japanese surrendered and they turned back on the lights of the bay and golden gate bridge she saw them go on go on because it was a big thing because they were afraid the japanese were going to bomb us yeah they had to cut them off at night so just the idea of like hey young love let's grab a bottle of a wine or something let's go up on this hill with this blanket and let's watch them turn the lights of the bridge back on because we won the war yeah the simpleness of that nostalgia let's go have a picnic i love you yeah you know and and i i think it's hard not to want to walk in the direction of that sentiment yeah and especially if you you know i grew up in a culture of like teen violence and you know um that was terrifying at times desert people are different i just want uh i'm from the the you know i grew up mostly in colorado i moved to arizona and quickly learned yeah the desert makes people forged from steel oh yeah because it's hot during the day bitter cold at night and there's so much danger yeah well and you're also um there's so much young danger there's enough space where you're allowed to like attempt your terrible ideas sure unabated for a long time yeah absolutely there's no good ideas too and sure and um you know people are always you know you the desert comes alive at night yeah and so that element of weirdness yeah it comes out in the people too and and you know we used to play these these generator parties that are completely lawless and that sounds amazing and and it was at times amazing and then other times you know you'd see a a brawl would break out sure and everyone is like puts their arms out and goes let them finish yeah and it's like let them finish fuck you mean till it's finished finished and and that is terrifying to me you know yeah well that you're watching people beat each other to and till they're finished and and and you know when you're playing you're always the last time you're playing and you're leaving because your gear has to get out and all this stuff and so you know always a witness or a party to things until they're finished sure of all varieties of things and and it was a good education in in joy on one end and on terror and the other end yeah and so now after all these years when i hear a story like about your grandparents watching the lights come on i know that's the sort of thing i should be you know reaching for walking toward and giving my time to you know what i mean well because i think a lot of a lot of life you know like uh hicks always had that joke about it's a brightly lit ride and we forget that it's a ride and we look around because it's tough and that's how you get lost it's true you like look around you go like oh fuck all this noise is being made over here but then you see something that's got like it's like eating real food like food that someone has cooked yeah that maybe they've even gardened yeah and you like feel the weight of the food that's being made over here the weight of the realness of it yeah versus a mcdonald's burger well yeah i i'm sorry no please go dude you're talking to the king of interrupting yeah please interrupt me yeah i'll tell you for my fans no well i um when uh we were just in europe with system of down and and um i sent my son to this you know this camp in france and we needed to wait to grab them and so we had this little amount of vacation time and i thought where should we go where should i take my littlest son my daughter and my girl and um and so we made the decision based on this exact thing where's the food grown right there where is where where's a i think it's called a green zone where where people live to be a hundred or or more in a and there's you know these areas where it's proven whatever they're doing in this zone is i think it's a green zone it's a dark zone it's a dark zone it's a center and i think uh it's right and a mama center and a baby center yeah but it was blue zone excuse me yeah blues blues blues i'm gonna move to a blue zone well this is what i was starting to think is like maybe i should put my time and energy when i get the chance either in a you know go to go to egypt or turkey where you know darren kuyu or these beautiful monolithic historic or go to fucking machu picchu or go to a blue zone and see what is going on yeah there and so we went to sardinia sick and and um and just didn't go to anywhere swanky just went you know went to one swanky place it was like fuck this and instead just went to wherever the locals were eating sick just where are you eating yeah and and listening and go oh this place serafino and giovanni go to this place you know and um and it was really incredible to go to a place that felt largely unchanged and felt ancient sure and where people were living at a pace and in a style that became a blue zone you know yeah well i mean and that shows you that it became like that kind of energy you're just doing that makes a place go like oh there's people live here a long time and they enjoy their lives and well and it was hot there so they were much like desert people because it was really hot sure except they were doing it in a different way than the desert i'm used to yeah they were saying in the daytime from noon to four we do nothing which is which is what you should do in the desert and then um but we don't go to dinner till 10 o'clock and we're out till so at at 11 30 it was kids in the street people walking around and people going just going to dinner and and i was like um that's the blue zone i'm not going to difference that's the blue zone promise that we can provide for you it's taking what you're at taking what you're given yeah and saying well we'll make the best in this scenario and not to fight against adapting to it you know i've i've always wanted to fight upstream and push buttons and and um you know rebel and uh and but then you realize well i'm pushing upstream this is my river the river of my life it's what am i fighting upstream for yeah why am i if i just walked up to you in a river and you were just splashing around you go swim with it dude what river is it's the josh river wait what am i doing oh i should just back float i'm just just the realization that in you take the situation and accept what it is and then make the best out of that and by listening to someone who's who's older who's not a bill conti yeah no don't listen to the car bill poor bill by the way bill is an incredible composer he's so fucking imdb the man excellent work it's just your name sounds like that and i know we're gonna have to bleep that from youtube but it sounds like and it's not we don't have to bleep conti no bleep conti that's yeah but i and also he wrote rocky that the all that score i didn't realize well that's how sylvester salone pulled him over and was like which sounded like um mario brothers there but that's not it what it is but i know what you're talking about when he's running up in the hills that is exactly how it scored but back to what you were saying about going to the river and these places where the locals you know seeing what they eat they got it dialed they've been doing it for a thousand thousands of years yeah but they just know that was one you know and uh blessed be to anthony bourdain the episode i loved his when he came to the desert and you took him and got lunch and you guys had some drinks and he went to rancho de la luna and you guys hung out well he you know he we met i think it was by now it's like 20 years ago and uh and um he i said this other thing but it's it's very cool what he did he'd done a desert episode and i said um next time you're around i'll take take you to this some you know stuff that your producers didn't find but like a real some real desert shit yeah and then he said let's turn it into a show which wasn't my originally it was just like let's go drinking and hang out yeah you're like i just want to hang with and then i said well you know the data on his show was that um um you know for the first 10 months that your business would go through the roof and then the dissipation was like two years it would still you know experience this thing so i said why don't we go to places that are some of which most of which were in trouble that's great and so he ended up saving basically every every place that we went to that's exactly what that power should be used to yeah he was definitely because you're watching him eat that burger and i go like i could go there and eat yeah i could i would fucking drive there i think he just had that love of the people love of and the people do street food and the people make comfort food and they use it to bring the other people they love close together i think that was his you know his his really his crowning jewel was wanting to be where the food brought the people together sure and i think that that came across and kind of how he acted you know there's moments where like because of him what's funny is because of you guys i became a fan of his yeah because i liked him and then you did the christmas episode where you guys were wearing all the sweaters or whatever and it just randomly popped up and vick and i shout out vick we were watching that he's gonna but when but where vick was like yo queens of the stone ages on bourdain and i was like no way we watched it and i was like this dude fucking rules and then you it's it's similar to how like if you were to have like an opening band or a comp if i have a comic opening for me or i open for somebody that's i love how that shit works when you're there for something and then you see something else and you go well this shit rules and by proxy yeah i mean it is fun to i love being a fan yeah it's fun to love things and and be excited i really like seeing my uh friends or peers i really love do well you know especially when they kind of kind of explode although there's a danger in watching someone explode and have to go through the precariousness of that but um i think he also loved to you know he ended up on that desert episode we'd have these long drives to get to these places and so we'd listen to music and talk and i turned him on to mark lanigan and and then he really ended up having a real big impact in lanigan's life and and and then having lanigan take him through seattle and i was like you want him to take you to the alleys that he like passed out you know yeah but he's the one that encouraged lanigan to start writing uh and really you know and um and watching those dominoes tumble and you know playing being a just being a little part and playing cupid for things like that feels so good and you know i mean that's also so an amazing impact on yeah yes it's a shame yeah he was but he was one of those guys where when you saw so you know years ago i was i was like hawking guinness i that was the job that got me out of working uh as a waiter was uh they like wanted a comic to host these shows you want to talk about audiences not listening to you straight up with their back but i couldn't do comedy i legally wasn't allowed to like curse i could only do pro guinness material wow but it was for dude that mud water got me out of that i drank too much guinness yeah i like again you know whenever i go to ireland it's it's great when it's there too no preservatives yeah and it's it's no preservatives yeah and you realize it is food you can live on it oh my god i mean there literally became a point where i started sneaking off and having budweiser's when i was in dublin and they caught me like i was having like i was like like i was a preacher having a gay affair i was like oh i just want my american whiskey and american beer give me my rice beer i just pictured that we're like they're like soda i'm in the bathroom i'm reading my bible but the guy what was that the guy came down to the hotel bar one of the guys i worked with right and i came down and it was late and i was at the hotel bar and he comes around the corner he's like dude what are you i'm just drinking a budweiser what are you doing you're supposed to be embarrassed yourself it's too thick it's too thick for this night late at night can a man just have a fucking american beer but uh it really i'm an alcoholic that thing it was not good for me obviously like i quit drinking at the end of that tour it was i was just in some real bad places right but we were in san francisco i was in a real bad space mentally and i'm doing these shows and i'm just drinking until my body collapses waking up doing the same thing for like days on end yeah and and i need to eat broadway in san francisco which there's no food there's no fucking food and i see a place that has hamburgers and pizzas and i'm like fuck it dude let me get a hamburger and i go in and i eat i'm starting this hamburger and i'm like this is the best fucking hamburger i've ever had in my life this hamburger is unbelievable and i turn around and on the wall there's a signed paper plate by bourdain by tony yeah and it says like this is the one of the best burgers you'll ever have in your life and that's like one of those things while you're having that thought and it's sam's hamburgers yeah and that's the best thing i've ever had in my life and that's like one of those now if anybody that knows me i plug that like i have fuck and i took him there you know we filmed the special in mill valley yeah and i took him and john one of our other camera guys and my friend brandon i was like we're getting fucking sam's hamburgers yeah and i have this joy where i watch my friends eat it and they go like this is fucking unbelievable but i also think tony's thing is that he was willing to be a little conti as well and so that's what made you you understood that he wasn't just there being like oh i love this so much and it's it you know i think he needs that that you need that authenticity of you know what i don't like this yeah you know in order to in real time yeah i know there's this brilliant move that i heard a comic do uh nate bargetzi was working with him and they were like developing a show and this guy's like produce stuff or whatever he said that they'd get into a meeting with all these suits from nbc or cbs and he would start the meeting by making them go around the room and say something they don't like currently on tv right and he said watching these guys go like well is this okay and their brains are bleeding and they're like i like everything because of the numbers but it is like a thing of like how can you say what you like if you don't know what you don't like well i mean yeah and you know i think you need it's okay you don't need to be conti about what you don't like too you can you can be this is just gonna be shorthand now well i don't want it to get bleeped on fucking hulu or whatever you know like i like to speak however i like to speak but i think there's you know it's okay to simply say the same for me and enough said i don't want to you know it is important to make i think it's the best way to make friends is to bond over what you like and instead of saying i hate this chair like a stupid chair with the mixer on it and like that's not the way to be friends but you do need to admit if you're gonna be friends with someone truth teller even down to you know lots of these long-standing relationships with musicians i've had they're based on like shut up yes you know and like you're out of your mind right now it's you can't you're not supposed to agree and i think that's what i find really confusing about these times as group thought is not for me and it's that it's every situation is situational yeah and so you yeah uh you're gonna not agree with people that's the whole thing it's that's how it gets nice and juicy for you vic you know there's two things i would like to bring back uh my dad used to my dad was a bartender and i'd always hear him when he would disagree with people the thing he would say is you just go i don't really care for that yeah which is such like a fast way of going like i don't like it but i don't want to yeah but we don't have to pull the frog apart in science class exactly yeah i don't really care for that and the second thing that i've been using a lot is my bad as like a little social lubricant if if i you know new york i bump into people all the time oh my bad yeah just immediately you will see that people want to they want to go with you on yeah they don't want to go hey fuck you they want to go like oh my bad yeah yeah you got your dog all right no problem yeah we don't have to get we don't have to ramble on about it my bad we're good yeah then there really is like a thing of like if all fair yeah i can see hands up yeah but we're losing that we're losing that like shorthand in society that makes it easier for us to go you just don't need to agree with everybody exactly that's also and i'm saying that for myself i mean that's not very revolutionary what i'm saying but i i i i i and luckily you know we don't travel in circles where you know if you're going to make something and you want to you want it to be honest and authentic and you like to be able to say i think it's art which is you know at the end of it then you have to talk about what you don't like as much as what you do like and also you have to be honest and you have to be honest and you have to also rejoice in being able to identify something you're not into so you can stay the fuck away from that you know what i mean i think that was a thing that i had a hard time with as a people pleaser was constantly being like no it's all right even if i didn't agree with it like oh it's okay it's okay it's like walking around with wet socks yeah you just go i'm very unhappy right now yeah but i'm acting like i'm putting on but i'm here for the team well yeah and i that was something that took me a very fucking long time to change yeah i mean i've always been a people pleaser too except for when it's time to engage in the arts because it seems so monumental sure to um to use bluntness without cruelty yeah and say we tried this you know musically speaking say all right well we've tried this idea in a number of ways and it's just not working um i'm not the guy that can deliver this particular idea for you you know what i mean i it's just you know but the evolution that you guys had with doing a live in the catacombs and then you do the the tour that is like that is a departure that is like a risk that is something that you go like that was terrifying yeah you know what i mean and not just because you were dancing with a cleaver you know that that was the most comforting part i don't know what it is a little of my own blood yeah there's like well i i always feel like oh well you know when taking risks in front of people sure you know hold the knife i i want there to be and a crowd should always be on their heels and you should be on their toes it's dangerous when a crowd's on their toes you know this yeah that's when they're like you know when it's like this is not you're not this is not the time for you to be in control and and i think um this notion that's got me in a lot of physical trouble and and just straight up trouble before is this notion of nobody hurts me more than i hurt myself watch you know um and i think that cleaver really presented this calm uh for me because i would throw this thing and miss and sometimes you miss and then to be like oh okay we're good we're good i you know i don't know why it just it it was like a whoopee you know but but the whoopee of danger yeah the most dangerous will be of all time but that is something where it's a complete departure from what you're used to you know you're it's you you changed it up and you did the arrangements for alive in the catacombs and then it seems like it just breathed this like new wind into your sails yeah and actually you know i i think it's easy to predict what naysayers say naysayers say nay it's all they can say that's why they say nay right so i i um and i think it's important to engage with what you perceive the negative might be and in order to just have some kind of understanding and maybe even find a way around it you know um but for catacombs i thought okay um and also we're so there there's no it's about saying what if i took everything away sure and i was left just with myself and then you're like and then you say oh god okay and uh but um it felt really important to try that and risk being not liked or misunderstood yeah and in order to find you know i don't have a therapist and music's my religion and i as i said i do believe if i put i only have to give so if i put everything that i understand about myself and my my compatriots here like into this then um and if i say i won't stop till i love it not perfect sure but i until i love it then someone else has a chance of loving it too since there is a mirror in yeah how people perceive something you know and um well it's and that you could actually leave baggage behind yeah and maybe become a better person actually just by making a record i mean that's that's like a massive cocooning and transformation that i think is something that only you know there's a reason of learning stuff and doing it longer you get better at it because you almost can use your tools in a way of like at 21 you probably wouldn't have known what that even meant right right but well the tough thing that you end up dealing with though is that you know you you know you can't copy yourself you have to take a risk so you have to whatever success or anything you have you know you have to you know if you have a good idea and you tell 30 people 29 of them need to say please don't do this idea because otherwise how can it be good if anyone could just have it yeah and and and and you know you need to keep listening to things and trying things you're not good at and all that is scary and risks isolation but you can't get anything if you don't do that yeah how can you make your last special your best one unless you risk at every turn and all the ones previous yeah and that's just straight up scary you know but that's also you know scary is a way to look at it but it's also the thrill of it yeah the thrill of it is pulling it off yeah the thrill of it is going like no net like yeah no net or having something that you go i've given up i had a joke that i'd given up on and i had dana gould on my podcast and we were in la and i just like oh i had this joke where i tried this and then i i threw it away solve it and he but he went do that fucking joke right he went do that fucking joke he's like edit this out do that joke yeah and i think within like a month i had it where it was like right oh i found out because literally all it took was a person that i really respect who i who i've loved his comedy forever and i and just him going like no that could be uh that could be something like that and you go he essentially said don't leave your problems alone yeah don't don't walk away from him that's what i did because keep coming back to him and tinkering with your problems because there is a frustration you know give a problem a problem like old dirty bastards the odb did be saying problems got a problem yeah my mom's got a problem yeah but that is because i think there is this like frustration when you're trying something and it doesn't work you too quickly like or at least for me i was kind of like all right well it's just not gonna pan out but then having someone go like having someone walk by and go oh that's fucking cool and you go oh i was just gonna stop fucking with this but i guess if you think it yeah maybe well but if you think you go to something because you think it has an acorn of of value to it and if it doesn't work often right away oftentimes you say oh well it's not good and uh and i used to do this with songs all the time or you force it to be finished and it's not finished as it deserves yeah instead of saying in this moment i'm not qualified to finish it but i'm not leaving it yeah i'll come back to it that is i'll tinker i will tinker with you once more you know you just leave it there and you go you will be tinkered yeah i will see you again but i'm gonna colonel troutman and show up and be like that's as i really go to puke john i tried because i trained you to be a piece of shit um the new album is awesome thank you uh thank you for doing this podcast yeah thank you for having me you uh you fucking rule it's like awesome to be just as as as a member of the tribe of the stone age fans thanks for making shit that constantly not only evolves but deepens my appreciation for the stuff you make thank you every time i listen to it i'm never going like oh they're just trying to do 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