Gypsy Rose’s Haunting Words to Fiancé Before His Death EXPOSED

New details uncovered in the death of Gypsy Rose Blanchard's ex fiancé, Ken Erker. A bizarre jailhouse phone call has resurfaced, calling it to question the toxicity of their relationship. Plus, some of the last moments of Ken Erker's life caught on camera. Did Ken's final TikTok live and cryptic last texts hint at trouble ahead? This is Scandal, presented by Lon Cron. I'm Sierra Gillespie. In the nearly one week since the death of Ken Erker, new details continue to come out of the woodwork, bringing up a whole host of questions. What was Gypsy Rose Blanchard's relationship with Ken really like? Were there any warning signs that Ken's mental health was off? What about the alleged cyberbullying that Ken reportedly faced for years? These are all major questions we have, and that doesn't even touch on the alleged feud between Gypsy and Ken's sister, Autumn. And it realized Gypsy had already went to teensy, but you know, she tried to paint a fake narrative that they were engaged in blah blah blah. Y'all weren't. Did she just alleged Gypsy? May have killed Ken? To be fair, she didn't say those words, but she did mention DD. That's Gypsy's mother who she was convicted of murdering back in 2016. Who initially brought up killing your mother? I did. This case made national news. On June 10, 2015, investigators got tipped off to a strange post on Gypsy's Facebook, alluding to the death of DD. When investigators arrived to the Blanchard's Missouri home, they found DD, stabbed to death, and Gypsy was missing. This was a major concern for first responders. Gypsy was bound to a wheelchair and had a whole host of really severe illnesses. Cancer, muscular dystrophy, I needed glasses, I needed hearing aids, seizure disorder. Could someone have murdered DD and kidnapped Gypsy? At first, it seemed that way, but the truth was much darker than anyone could have imagined. For Gypsy, never really had any of those illnesses. In fact, she was a healthy young woman, and she always had been. Understand the full extent of how healthy I was until after I got arrested. Why did you not tell doctors that you knew you could law or you didn't go into yourself to be killed during the time that you were doing this? I didn't think that anyone would believe me. I thought they would eventually tell my mom and that would make my home life even worse for me. I feared her more than I feared anyone else. Gypsy would later testify she felt killing her mother would be the only way out. She started a secret online relationship with Nicholas Goedajon, the man who ultimately stabbed DD to death. Gypsy hid in the bathroom as Nicholas carried out the act. The testimony I've been playing is from Nicholas Goedajon's trial. He was charged with first degree murder and convicted on November 16, 2018. He sentenced a life in prison. For her part, Gypsy pleaded guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 10 years in prison, and it was during that sentence when she met Ken Erker. He'd seen Gypsy on the HBO documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest and started a penpal relationship with her. Eventually, they became more than friends and were engaged. After Gypsy was released from prison in 2024, she updated the world on their relationship, sharing cute videos like these. The pair never actually got married and were on and off for years, but shared a daughter together who was born in December 2024. And that brings us to October 1st of this year, Ken's 34th birthday, and the day he was found dead in his raceland Louisiana home. We reached out to officials hoping to get autopsy and toxicology reports, but at the time of this recording, we haven't gotten anything. So far, it's been reported that Ken died of a suspected overdose. A La Force Paris coroner told The New York Times on Friday, quote, "At this time, there is no definitive cause of death." Officials also told E-News, quote, "He had a paper towel placed on his left arm with what appeared to be blotches of blood on the paper towel. The handgun on the nightstand was holstered, laying next to two shot glasses and a syringe. Nothing else inside the bedroom appeared to be disturbed or moved." According to E-News, the night before, on September 30th, Ken went to church with Gypsy's brother Dylan and his wife Anita. Dylan and Anita later told investigators that Ken had been making concerning statements that he was, quote, "depressed" and upset. They also mentioned he went live on TikTok at about 11 o'clock that night. And we got our hands on the video, and here's what it looks like. The video continues like that for about three minutes total. Ken doesn't say anything. It's just him driving in the dark. According to officials, this video really worried Dylan and Anita when Ken didn't show up to work on Thursday, Dylan and Ken's boss went to his house just to check on him, and that's when Dylan reportedly saw Ken through the window and first responders were called. Gypsy told People Magazine, "I don't know if it was intentional or not. He was not in a good state of mind lately." But it's possible there had been some warning signs. In a new interview with Page 6, a source, close to Gypsy, revealed, "There's a few times he messaged and said, 'I've got nobody.' So I'm like, 'Well, I'm here, so I felt like he didn't really have support.' This person didn't want to be identified, so they're just referenced as a source. And this source told Page 6 that Ken sent some cryptic text messages a few weeks back. I checked in on him two weeks ago, just saying, 'Hey, just checking in, because I know it's a hard time for both of you.' And he was like, 'I love you, debates. I'm surviving right now, but thanks for checking in.' That hard time was likely in reference to the recent breakup between Gypsy and Ken. They reportedly split a few weeks ago and had been living apart, sharing custody of their daughter. CMZ reports there had been some toxicity in the relationship recently, even revealing an alleged tax exchange between Ken and Gypsy. We can't 100% substantiate that this is the message between Ken and Gypsy, but it appears that way. Here's what it says. Starts with Ken. He says, 'I'm so sorry I was drunk. Please don't take our daughter. I told you I needed a punch of pillow to get out these hurt feelings.' I'm sorry for trashing the headboard and smashing the frame. That was unnecessary. I would never in a million years hurt anyone. I came home and was very hurt, so I threw some stuff around and yes, took some of that anger and pain out on an object. It doesn't make it right, but I did, and then I left to spend the night here in Cutoff to cool down. Kenan, I love you with all my heart. That is why it hurts so much. We built our family together, a life together, and I don't know why it's not enough for you. I've not always been the best girlfriend, but I truly want to be better. I need a fresh start without memories of the past. I thought a new house, new furniture, new beginning. That's why I bought all new things for us. I want to, and then the text trails off. Again, we don't know for sure about the validity of this text, but there are a lot of other documents and evidence pieces from this case that we do have. For behind every major scandal is a paper trail, the public rarely gets to see. If you haven't heard yet, you can go beyond the headlines with case files on the Long Crime Plus app. This is where you get direct access to raw evidence. Uncensored body camera recordings, crime scene images, video recordings of interrogations, and so much more. You can analyze the facts and uncover the truth for yourself. Plus, you get ad-free streaming of all of your favorite law and crime and court TV shows. And right now, we have a special offer with my promo code, It's Scandal Fall. Get your first three months of Long Crime Plus for just $2.99 a month. That's 50% off the regular monthly price. There is one thing that we can confirm is false, though. This voicemail has been making its rounds online that Gypsy allegedly made DeKenn. And I want to play it here so you know that is not a recording of Gypsy. It is from a completely separate TikTok recorded by a different person altogether. That being said, it's still possible there was some toxicity in Gypsy's relationship with Ken. According to that source who spoke to Page Six, she wanted him back obviously, and he just wasn't in the right frame of mind. His mental health wasn't good for the past few months. We all just wanted him to kind of get better and see if he would get some therapy. And Gypsy was just hoping that getting back together would be the outcome. But Ken's sister, Autumn Erker, has some problems with all this. She told the US Sun, Gypsy had been telling people they were engaged in planning a baby number two. None of that was true. Autumn also said, Gypsy had no right to lie and say it was because of some text that she sent to him. It seems like Autumn is referring to a TMZ article that reported Gypsy sent Ken of voice note on October 1st, wishing him happy birthday. In this note, Gypsy reportedly apologized that a photo of their daughter leaked online, and she said she was sorry that it happened so close to Ken's birthday. She also reportedly asked if Ken could FaceTime their daughter later that day, because she would love to wish her dad happy birthday. And according to this TMZ report, the voice note disappeared around 2pm, indicating that Ken listened to it, but he never replied. After Ken's death, Gypsy posted a tribute to him, but also noted his recent struggles with mental health due to cyberbullying. Gypsy created a change.org petition asking lawmakers to take a closer look at the laws as they pertained to cyberbullying. She wrote in part, "Ken was a public figure and experienced an enormous amount of public scrutiny. Across platforms including TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and Reddit, there was extensive content about him that we believed crossed the line from criticism into targeted harassment and cyberbullying. KEDMAID reports, I made reports, videos were reported, comments were reported, posts were reported, and many times the answer we received was no violation. That is the problem I want to change." She went on to tell people magazine, "Ken endured an unimaginable level of public scrutiny and relentless cyberbullying across social media platforms, including TikTok and Reddit. The cruelty directed toward him was something no human being should have to endure. I believe the tremendous weight of that scrutiny and harassment had a profound impact on him, and I hope his passing serves as a reminder that there is a real person behind every screen, every headline, and every comment." Gypsy's sense revealed what she claims are receipts of these alleged cyberbullies, posting screenshots to her Instagram. For instance, people on Reddit allegedly called Ken a dangerous, dark, smug, reckless, neglectful father, and a washed up, 50-year-old, alcoholic, weekend, dad. Others wrote things like, "Ken's an actual clown with the emoji. Ken is a spineless loser, and huge loser. 100% this guy has been a huge loser his entire life, and Kenny's demented as F. Discussion also includes voice/femininity, ridicule, sexuality, speculation, drug allegations, fatherhood attacks, and serious, unsupported sexual criminal allegations. Others pulled Gypsy into all of this writing, "Is this your next victim? Sleep with one eye open, and what's up, Ken? Nice to see you alive." And then there are messages from Ryan. If you've been following along with Gypsy's life, you probably remember the name Ryan Anderson. He married Gypsy in a prison ceremony before her release, and went on a tour of sorts with her after she was released. But just a few months after that, they separated. In a post made just this week, Gypsy alleges Ryan was one of Ken's cyberbullies. Ryan publicly said Ken was still a home record, in my opinion, while discussing paternity/publicity issues. And this isn't the first time we've seen allegations like this either. TMZ reported an alleged "text exchange" between Ken and Ryan. This is another one we can't 100% confirm the validity of, but here's what TMZ released. Ryan wrote, "Gypsy, why are you giving up my phone number? I've never done that to you. Why?" Ken replied. "This is Ken. She didn't give you her number." Ryan then said, "B.S." said a slur, and said, "Let her talk." "Oh yeah. You scared of that." Now you text for her. "Punk." "Explicit?" That's what I thought. Gypsy doxed my phone number, and Ken replied, saying, "blocked." Since news of Ken's death broke, Ryan has been outspoken, appearing on the Sarah Frazier podcast. He said, "I was like, 'No, my initial thought was 'shock,' like, 'Hmm, how'd that happen? Shocked that he passed away.' Ryan revealed he reached out to Gypsy's dad after hearing about Ken's passing. He said, quote, "I said, tell Gypsy I'm sorry. Tell her I'm here for her if she needs me." And all of this could stem from a recent jailhouse film call that has resurfaced, painting Ken in a bizarre light. Ken sister Autumn said the video had recently been bothering him. He asked me what I thought about the phone call that everybody's been playing this past week, calling him the most sick things, and I told him he wasn't that guy. And while there has been drama between Gypsy and Autumn, the rest of Ken's family is reportedly okay with Gypsy, even inviting her to his funeral. She told people, "As of right now, we don't have any details, but they will let me know as soon as they form up solidified plans." The family funeral will reportedly be in Texas, but Gypsy says she wants to hold another celebration of life next month in November. She said, "I have this memory of us for a Fourth of July celebration. We had about so many fireworks and we had the best time to shoot them off, so I'd like to get fireworks and shoot them off in memory of that." Like so many people, I put off scheduling my doctor's appointments. 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It's great to hear that Gypsy and her daughter will be able to celebrate 10's life, but there's still so many questions about what led up to his death, and again, we don't know a definitive cause and manner of death. Investigators say there's no sign of foul play, but is there still a possibility for criminal charges? Let's throw to our interview now to break all of this down. Alright, we got a lot to discuss, so let's bring on today's guest. It's a fan favorite here at Scandal, Elizabeth Foulai, Lawn Crime Legal Counsel actually joining us from the Lawn Crime Studio. Elizabeth, thank you for making time for us. It's great to see you on Scandal. Thanks so much, Sara. Great to be back. Okay, so we're talking about Gypsy, Ken, the drama surrounding all of it, and I just have to ask you, there was this TikTok that Ken's sister Autumn posted, and she, it was like a TikTok live. She said something like, "You're not going to do to my brother what you did to Deety." Now, Deety's her mother, she's obviously been convicted of murdering her mother's second degree murder. She took a pleetial. Anyways, is this an allegation that Autumn is making that perhaps Gypsy killed Ken? Yeah, it's really interesting. So it sort of reads as like a vague tenuous potential allegation. You know, we're not exactly sure what she actually meant. So I mean, all Rhodes point to that because you know, you can't really make any other insinuation. You know, that Gypsy Rose had talked badly about her mother or did something else. So it seems like she's making that potential allegation. Obviously, as you mentioned, you know, Gypsy Rose served her time. She took a pleetial and to conspiring to murder her mother alongside her ex-partner. So it seems like that's what she's potentially alluding to, but also I think it's important to have the context that these two have had a really rocky relationship, which is played out in the public as well. So it seems like that could be a potential allegation. Yeah, that's kind of the angle of today's scandal episode is taking a closer look at the relationship between Ken and Gypsy and alleged toxicity. So I do want to talk about that, but before I move on from all of this, I'm wondering about the legal side of things. I mean, Amber, or excuse me, Autumn didn't go out and say, "I believe you killed Ken." She didn't say those words. It was insinuated as to what you described. But could there be any sort of legal merit to a defamation suit here? Yeah, I think that's an interesting claim. So for a potential defamation claim, you have to prove that there was a false statement, a fact made about someone that injures their reputation. So obviously, in most scenarios, if you're saying that, you know, alluding to the fact that someone has potentially conspired to kill someone or is responsible behind someone's death, that could potentially rise to the level of a defamation claim. But you know, simply just alluding to it wouldn't really be enough. The defamation bar is pretty high that it has to be a plain statement of fact here based on what she was saying in the TikTok. I don't know if it would rise to that level, obviously, versus if she had said something more blatant saying, "I believe Gypsy Rose is behind the death of my brother," something like that, I think could potentially rise to it, but I think it's also important to state that, you know, no criminal charges have been attached to the death of Ken yet. So I think that's an important caveat because if it's proven later on that she had no involvement behind Ken's death, then I think that would make the defamation claim stronger, right? Because if you're trying to prove that someone falsely insinuated, you committed a crime, being able to point to a criminal investigation clearing you of that would be really helpful evidence, but we're just not there yet. So, you know, I could see why people could think this could be a potential defamation claim, but I don't think it rises to the level of the elements that you would need to prove that. And we have to remember, too, that this was seemingly a sudden death. He was 34 years old, in my opinion, very young to die. This was likely very. shocking to everyone in his family. So emotions are running high. Sometimes people say things that are, you know, tense in the moment or that they will regret. And I've heard about this, you know, other families that they have arguments after somebody in the family dies. That's kind of common. So could it just be that? I don't know. But I do have to ask you in terms of an investigation. Now, you said that no charges have been filed here. But in a lot of cases when somebody dies, we take a closer look at their significant other, their bubble, you know, their family, who's in it. And I'm wondering if, because Gypsy with his on again, off again, girlfriend, fiance at one point, and she is a convicted murderer, if investigators would kind of keep that in the back of their mind as they're moving forward with this investigation. Yeah, it's a great question. I think and, you know, obviously we know this because we work in for crime, we deal with these kinds of cases all the time. But I think even folks see in movies and shows that a lot of times who is the sort of go to potential suspect or perpetrator that investigators talk to first, it's the husband, the wife, the ex-partner. And that's usually because we see so many of these kinds of cases play out where, you know, it's a toxic relationship or there's anger in the relationship, you know, that person could have a potential motive. So that's always why the partner or ex-partner is always the go-to person for this. You know, so I think if investigators wanted to sort of clear and make sure all boxes were checked, I think it makes sense that they would speak to Gypsy Rose about this. But I think based on the circumstances surrounding his death, and again, you know, this is an ongoing investigation. There haven't been any charges or arrests or anything like that. But there have been reports that he had passed away from a suspected drug overdose. So I think the first thing that investigators are going to is probably, you know, where, if that's true, where did these substances come from? Who dealt the substances? Who is involved in that? So I think that's probably their go-to right now. But certainly, you know, I think it would make sense that they would want to talk to Gypsy Rose anyway just to be able to get information about, you know, where was he at the last few days? Where was his head at? You know, what knowledge did she have about his whereabouts? So I think I think it's, you know, them wanting to speak to her definitely makes sense. Yeah, and even if it's an ex-partner, I mean, they share custody of a daughter. So she at least has some sort of window into his life. They have known each other for years at this point. She can maybe speak to his mental health or what was going on in the days leading up to this. There have been some reports that she sent him a voice note on his birthday and it appeared as though he read it. So that could be interesting to kind of put a timeline into all of this. If she sent the voice known at, let's say 2 p.m. I think is the report. 2 p.m. He listened to it and then his body found around 6 p.m. What happened in those four hours in the interim? And you met, you mentioned talking about their relationship. And it looks like there is a bit of toxicity. This is just me on the outside saying this, but they broke up a couple of different times. They started their relationship when she was actually incarcerated. According to reports, he watched that really great, by the way, HBO documentary, mommy, dead and dearest. He watched it reached out to her. They became pen pals. On going relationship, they share a daughter. But we've now seen some things that have come to light, including text messages that looked pretty volatile. There was this voicemail that Gypsy allegedly made, which by the way, has been debunked that it was not her screaming on the phone. But people are talking about it online. So as far as the toxicity of their relationship, if the investigation did go that way, what do you think would really investigators be kind of zeroing in on? Yeah, it's a good question. You know, like I said, partners are always sort of the go to in terms of questionings or ex partners, as you would say. And you know, in a lot of cases that we see where someone is tragically killed, a lot of times it is the ex partner, the ex husband, for various reasons. I think if based on, you know, the alleged toxicity in their relationship, I think things that investigators would want to know is, sure, you know, because a relationship can be toxic. And obviously that's never great. But does it rise to the level of suspicion of someone potentially in the relationship being behind someone being killed? So I think what they'll want to look for is, you know, where there are ever any threats of violence? Was there violence in the relationship, you know, physical violence? What is the evidence of that? Is there videos, text messages, emails? I think things like that, you know, them breaking up and getting back together and, you know, having this toxic relationship play out in the public eye. Obviously, that's not great. But I think investigators will want to look for more things just beyond that of was there violence and incidents of violence that could potentially lead to a suspected killing? Yeah, Elizabeth, I think you're so right here. I mean, the fact that their relationship may have had some bumps in the road, it's not great. But it doesn't mean that Gypsy has anything to do with Ken dying. I mean, they're kind of separate issues, unless investigators say that they're connected, which by the way, they have not said anything like that. They haven't said Gypsy's involved or she's a suspect, no charges, nothing like that. So just to be really clear to our viewers, but people online are always speculating, talking about different things. And I got to ask about this next thing that Gypsy said that Ken had been facing a lot of cyberbullying. And we can talk about our change.org petition, what she's kind of hoping for in the future, the receipts that she's provided. But Gypsy and Ken Sister Autumn talked about this recently resurfaced jailhouse phone call from when she was in prison. And they were talking and he said something like, would you still want to be with me? Would you still love me if I had child porn? And it was kind of an interesting thing to say, kind of bizarre. And I'm wondering, is that now that I mean, this is years ago, by the way? I mean, she hasn't been in prison since 2024. But is that coming like resurfacing? Could that give credence to investigators taking a look at, I don't know, his hard drive, making sure that he didn't have anything like that? Yeah, it's an interesting question. I think potentially, yes, it's, I think the difficulty here is that, obviously, now that he's deceased, if there were, you know, any potential incriminating items in his hard drive or things alluding to what he mentioned in that call, you know, you wouldn't be able to bring charges against him. So, I think for investigators, you know, it might add some just more information and more description as to who this guy was, whether it's true or not, obviously, you know, that can't be proven at this time. You know, I don't think it would have any sort of tie-in into his investigation or his death, unless they found that, you know, the reasons for his death was beyond just the suspect overdose, right? And that's, again, that's not clear. The investigation is still ongoing. So, there have been, like we said, no arrests or charges made yet. So, if it's found that, you know, he was potentially killed by someone in relation to what he mentioned on the call or something else, then I think it'd be relevant. But if all signs point to suspected overdose, then I think the questions would be more, again, where did he get these substances from? Who dealt it? Things like that. And I have to ask about that, too, because as of right now, we don't have any cause or manner of death, but it appears to be a suspected overdose. That's kind of what we're going on, based on what investigators or police rather have come forward and said there was, I believe, a syringe. There was a handgun on his end table that was next to him, but it looks like an overdose at this point. And I'm wondering, doesn't matter whether it's intentional as in he wanted to end his own life, or if it was accidental, let's say it is, you know, that he wanted to end his own life, could someone still be charged for providing him with those drugs? Yeah, that's a really great question. So, he had tragically passed away in the state of Louisiana, and many states have laws that go to, you know, when someone passes away from a suspected overdose, where does the liability go to in terms of, you know, who distributed the drug, who made the drug, who are the middlemen involved? Some states are more strict than others. Louisiana is actually probably one of the strictest states when it comes to this type of scenario. So, you know, if someone is, they have, it's a law specifically that states a second degree murder can apply, if a death occurs during the perpetration of a felony, right? And one of the felonies that they specifically list out is distribution of a controlled substance, and that can apply again to the middleman, to the distributor, whoever it might be. So, I think whether or not, you know, it's difficult to prove whether it was intentional or not on his part, because obviously, you know, he's deceased, but regardless, I think the evidence is going to be looking at, you know, if it ends up being proven that this was an overdose, who actually distributed this, who supplied it. And because Louisiana is one of the more stricter states, then that's when I think that liability can apply versus states like New York, where it's a little bit harder. Mostly, most of the time when that type of scenario happens in New York, you know, you could be found liable for criminal sale of a controlled substance, potentially manslaughter, if it can be proven that the distributor or dealer acted recklessly or negligently, but because Louisiana is the state where this occurred, then I think some severe liability can apply, and I think again, I think whether or not we can prove whether or not we can prove if it was intentional or not on his behalf is sort of irrelevant, at least under the eyes of the statute. Oh, that's interesting too. I mean, it's something that we all would want to know. I'm sure the people who are closest to Ken, whether this is something that was unintentional or unintentional and accidental overdose, maybe just to I give them give them some form of closure, but as far as if he purchased this or was given these drugs illegally, and we can trace it back to one or two, how many ever people, am I understanding right what you said that in Louisiana, they could then be charged for murder? Potentially, yes, if it could be proven that the that the death that occurred was directly caused by the distribution of that illegal substance, right? So there's a lot of elements that play, but it is a possibility. And again, that differs from a lot of other states, New York is a lot harder to prove that, whereas Louisiana has more protections, but we see that a lot. You know, we saw that with the recent death of Matthew Perry, there were people involved in the distribution. fusion side that face charges, not necessarily of murder because it was a different state, but we saw that with Matthew Perry, Mac Miller, a lot of people that were involved could be potentially, you know, charged. So I think that's the same scenario here. Oh, wow. It's so interesting because I honestly don't see that many cases out of Louisiana. I do more out of New York, for example. And so to see the differences between states that if somebody is actually responsible for providing him or selling whatever, it may be these drugs and could be charged with murder. I mean, again, no charges have been filed at this time, but could they be coming down the pipeline? I don't know. That's something that we're going to obviously keep an eye on and keep following. But I also have to ask about that cyberbullying. We touched on this just a little bit. And I mean, this is so hard because I'm sure you see this two posting stuff clips from Lawn Crime. People are so ruthless online. They say the meanest things slide into my DMs for, I don't know what reason except to make me want to cry. And Gypsy posted these things that people were saying terrible, awful things about Ken. And if you kind of get sucked into that wormhole, I can totally understand if that's messing with your mental health. And I'm wondering about the statutes in relation to charges there because when it comes to cyberbullying, he was in Louisiana, yes, but it could be someone, I don't know, California, Argentina, wherever it could be international. So does that make it harder to have charges here? And would there even be a reason that charges? Yeah, that's a great question. And it is difficult because the world of social media in relation to the law is very, very new. I know we've been, our generation has been dealing with social media for a lot of years now. And to your point, Sierra, it can be very, very ruthless. I think we see a lot of times working in media. People can comment on anything they want. And especially if they're anonymous, they think they can just say anything if they can type it up behind a keyboard. It's a little bit, the difficulty here is one. You know, the law that Gypsy Rose is trying to petition Kenan's law is trying to hold social media platforms more accountable for cyberbullying and the effects that it can have. And it can have devastating effects. I mean, we've seen so many stories of people tragically committing suicide because of things online bullying and things that people have said about them online. I think the issue is here, you know, if a law, if that type, if that type of law were to be passed, where do you find the criminality behind it? And especially if it's, you know, hundreds of anonymous users posting certain comments about someone, how can you one find who the identity behind who those people are? How can you find them criminally responsible? And how can you prove that what they posted led to this person's, you know, tragic death? Obviously, again, you know, it hasn't been proven that in this case it was suicide, but just speaking generally here. So there's a lot of challenges behind it. And again, social media is such a new terrain in terms of the law. So I think it'll remain to be seen how that develops. And again, what Gypsy Rose's petitioning is still just a petition. It's not active law. It's called Kenan's law, which he's trying to push forward. So it's a little bit hard to say. Yeah. And that's something that also could affect anyone, not just somebody in the public light. To your point, we've heard of high schoolers or middle schoolers who have been cyberbullied and that led to them dying by suicide. And it's just tragic all around. So I guess the PSI to anybody who made it this far in the scandal episode that if you're a keyboard warrior, people are reading your messages. And it can really, really affect people's mental health. And I guess just to put a bell in this episode, it's, it's devastating. It's terrible that Ken was only 34. He was so young, has a young daughter who now has to grow up without a father. It's just a devastating story, one that we still have a lot of questions about. But for what we do know, Elizabeth Foulai, thank you for coming on your great resource to kind of give us a look behind the law in all of this. So thank you for coming on scandal. Thank you so much, Sierra, for having me. We're going to keep following this case. So far, Lawn Crime has reached out for a copy of the autopsy and toxicology reports, but have yet to receive them. They haven't been made public yet. We've also reached out to Gypsy and Ken's sister, Autumn, but have not heard back. And that is where today's episode of Scandal leaves us for now. Thanks for watching. I'm your host, Sierra Gillespie, and I'll see you next time.