Guicciardini e Machiavelli: sulle virtù del politico.
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The transcription delves into the teachings of Italian philosophers Guicciardini and Machiavelli, highlighting Machiavelli's significant global influence through his works on power and politics. It discusses how thinkers from the 15th and 16th centuries, like Guicciardini and Machiavelli, played a crucial role in reinstating political philosophy as a central aspect of philosophical speculation. Machiavelli's emphasis on realism, faith, and historical analysis in politics is explored, underlining the importance of governance for the state's interests rather than individual or citizen benefits. The text also touches on Machiavelli's views on selecting allies wisely, preparing for fortune, and his advocacy for a ruler to prioritize the state's well-being over personal gains.
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Second lesson of our "Laboratore sul potere".
Today we will see two Italian intellectual philosophers.
We will see the political thinker of Guicciardini and Machiavelli.
They are two superfluous thinkers, two very clever intellectuals,
and in the case of Machiavelli, we will talk about the Italian philosopher,
Italian culture, who is more studied and known in the world.
Machiavelli and Gransi are the two Italian philosophers
more learned and studied in the world, from the American university
to those in Brazil, to those in India, to China.
Machiavelli, in a particular way, in the last decade,
with the subject of the prince, the state and the power,
is studied, again, by the Americans, the Indians and the Chinese.
So the political philosophy courses, political studies,
political science in the world,
but Machiavelli is one of the most learned and studied authors.
I told you in the first lesson about power,
that power is this ability to influence,
the behavior, to influence the actions of the people,
the subjects or the citizens, or the consumers,
if we talk about economic power.
Well, in the four hundred and five hundred,
politics is deeply rooted in the field of philosophy,
not that in the Middle Ages there was no political philosophy,
not that Augustine, in terms of the patriotic,
or Tomaso, in the Middle Ages, the scholastic,
did not face the subject of politics,
but the subject of politics after the scroll of Rome, the patriotic,
or the subject of politics in the Middle Ages, the scholastic,
was not necessarily at the center of the philosophical speculation,
it was a connected aspect to God.
So politics was, let's say, a bigger umbrella,
that of theology.
Instead, in the four hundred and five hundred,
politics returns to being an autonomous discipline,
even with Machiavelli and Wichardini and Hobbes,
who later see themselves as scientists,
with Machiavelli and Hobbes, who want to become a scientist,
who study power, who study political bodies.
So, political philosophy returns to occupying
a central role in philosophy, in speculation,
a little as if it had occupied an important role in the Greek world,
in a particularly platonic way, a deeply political philosophy.
Let's start with Wichardini.
Wichardini is an Italian philosopher,
who was born in 1483 and will die in 1540.
He is remembered by an opera, which is entitled
"Political and Civil Remembrance".
In this opera entitled "Political and Civil Remembrance",
Wichardini analyzes the active commitment of man.
He analyzes and analyzes the active commitment of man
in history, in the political community.
So, man is more than ever a political animal,
as he already supported Aristoteles.
According to Plato and Aristoteles,
man is sociable, he is a political animal,
he is in line with other men.
Wichardini and Machiavelli are from this political man.
There is a man who is subject to active commitment
in the historical reality, in the political reality,
in the community.
The analysis of this man, politically active,
of Wichardini is a realistic analysis,
that of what you are doing as a laborer.
He is not an utopian man,
he is not a man who is committed to imagining
better worlds, perfect government forms.
The political commitment for Wichardini
must be the teaching of the political realism.
The political commitment must be done with the calculation,
with the real analysis of the story.
So, a man who lives in the teaching of realism,
an operatic man, who must try to correct
the events.
He must correct the events even in a strong way.
Even when these events can seem almost unchangeable,
that is why the good politician will tell us,
they are always present, these authors are like a macro teaching,
he must have faith, because faith is political,
it produces ostinence, a good politician must have faith
in what he does, because to relate to reality,
he needs strength, ostinence, he needs perseverance,
for Wichardini a good politician is not the person
who renounces the first difficulty,
the first negative outcome will come to an end.
If one, a political goal, must persevere,
have faith, to change the battle around
the possible change of energy development
to improve and save the planet,
perhaps we must not read it, at least I don't do it,
I do it in a utopian way, but in a realistic way.
There is a real problem, the climate, the climate change,
the planet, the ecosystems that implode,
how to change the course of events,
having faith in the work of man,
trusting in the fact that man can change the course of events,
you can go from Wichardini to us, to the issues of politics.
If you do not have faith and perseverance,
if the good politician does not put an end to the project,
he will not realize it.
The faith, the hope, the strength, obviously they cannot do anything
when, obviously, the luck is not gone.
The issue of Machiavelli and Wichardini of the luck is very strong.
What does it mean?
It means that in human beings a decisive role is played by the luck.
So that time that takes you while you are on the battlefield,
that ship that was once a sailor,
that natural death, or in fact your driver.
When the case, the luck, is reversed,
change events, change reality, it is difficult.
I explain it, the good politician must be perseverant,
he has faith and obstinacy,
but when the case is reversed, it is very difficult, obviously,
to change the course of events.
The luck is pure casualty,
the asteroid that will hit you tomorrow.
Today we know that there is an asteroid in the river.
But to understand that event,
that unpredictable, incalculable, casual event,
can lead to all, even the most prominent, obstinate politician.
Certainly, if you put yourself in the hands of an advisor,
shaggurato, megalomaniac,
you got advice from a magazine,
from a madman, you can't say,
"Oh, what misfortune, I lost the war,
you gave your army in hand to a person
who, in fact, is a megalomaniac,
is a very calculating magazine."
You shouldn't be angry with the opposite fortune,
but with yourself, because you put yourself in the hands of the army,
you put yourself in the hands of the Ministry of Economy,
as a political advisor, a person who doesn't adapt.
It's not that, "Oh, what misfortune,
I went to lose the war,
or a collapse of the public debt."
You chose as the Ministry of Economy a person
who doesn't understand anything about financial economy.
Therefore, the country in Banca Rotta is not a misfortune,
but a bad management.
Please.
But when it comes to fortune,
can you also refer to religion?
No, no, no, to casualty,
to casual event,
which can...
The destiny, if it is already providential,
is a destiny that comes because it must come.
It doesn't talk about fortune as a destiny,
but as a casual event.
It has come to the largest seabed.
Ok, for example,
you still do one thing,
your rivers, you say, "But these are Machiavelli,
I'm already transferring Machiavelli,
you have to build good argenies to the river,
so when it comes to the full, the river doesn't exist.
If it comes to the full,
which we have never seen before,
your argenies will be turned upside down.
But the good sovereign is not the one
who is looking at the river without raising the argenies.
He raises the argenies, cleans the bed of the river,
then, if there is an impregnable flood,
the case will be turned upside down.
Let's close with the little ones,
as we only do some aspects,
we can at least introduce Machiavelli,
I hope I can do it all.
What are the characteristics
of the good politician?
The characteristics are
being hard and sweet at the same time.
The wise, the political wise,
is the one who
doesn't trust everyone,
is the one who is not a believer,
who trusts everyone.
The good politician
is the one who trusts few people.
The good politician is the one
who knows the human nature,
who is fragile.
The men,
tenderness and realism,
love Thomas More, Campanella,
will never realize what you say,
because the men are inclined,
inclined to the evil,
but the evil doesn't mean that there is evil,
but maybe they are inclined
to be corrupted, to corrupt,
to break the evil.
And this is the political evil,
corruption.
The men are inclined
to choose the most comfortable things,
the most easy things,
to choose not only money,
to choose power as well.
The good politician is the one
who knows that the human nature
is inclined to corruption
and to evil action.
Therefore, the good politician
doesn't trust everyone,
he trusts the few who need to know.
So, choose like you,
like your advisers,
those few men,
excuse me, women,
and a male politician, obviously,
those few men
who can trust you.
The wise politician
is the one who knows
the human inclinations
to evil, corruption,
to furture, to power.
Knowing the human inclination
he trusts the few who need to know.
Therefore he is inclined
to trust the people
who trust him.
After that, the wise politician
is the one who
governs with hardness
and with sweetness.
He is the one who knows
to mix debitably.
Then, he is the wise politician
like the wise politician
of a father,
of a mother,
of a teacher,
of a teacher,
of a teacher.
With the only hardness
you are not a good politician.
With the only hardness
you are not a good politician.
The good politician is the one
who governs the city,
the prince,
being severe the right,
being hard the right.
You have to pretend to be severe,
but you also have to know how to be sweet,
to know how to mix.
But the art of mixing
is the most difficult art.
Think about it,
as we are wrong,
not teachers, parents,
politicians.
A day is a hard day,
a day with only
sweetness
and debitability.
You have to know how to mix.
The art of mixing
is the virtue of the politician.
The art of mixing
is the virtue of the politician.
The art of mixing.
So,
the politician,
now he is still young,
but some of you start to look at the politics.
Trump, Salvini,
Conti, we know what we are talking about.
So, these are the things you have to try
to apply to them, to see them.
Or a great manager,
or a great politician,
an economic politician.
A politician has to
appear.
Strong and authoritative.
But I can't appear.
It has to be.
Because the appearance
in the politician
lasts little.
If you appear long,
what you are not,
at the end.
You disappear, beautiful.
If you are the only appearance,
then this is worth
for the teacher,
for the boss.
If you are the only one who governs
remember the power division,
the one who influences the students,
the teacher influences the students,
but if you are the only appearance,
you are not the only one.
Of course, the father, the mother,
influences the children when they grow up,
the boys, the president,
influences the school organization,
the manager of the company,
or as
would say a great manager,
you are just a distinctive fucker
and you are not really
under
the thickness.
And of course
that your art of governing
will disappear.
It will disappear.
Because a good politician can appear
for a day, a week, a month.
But if you want to govern
the city long,
you have to know how to be
hard and soft,
hard, severe and sweet,
to know how to mix,
to evaluate, to calculate
and to be not only appearance.
This is an example of
political realism.
But the Italian political philosopher
more obviously
famous,
the political philosopher who wrote a masterpiece
that never ends
and of course
you know that,
but let's say it again,
because there is always a student
writing with us.
Niccolò Machiavelli with "Accessortà".
Niccolò Machiavelli is
the author of
two fundamental political works,
because with me you are the only politician
who said "this Italian
you will do other literary works".
The two political works are
"The Discourse on the First Decade"
by Tito Livio
"The Discourse on the First Decade"
by Tito Livio
with Machiavelli
and Tito Livio
in the Romanian language
who will exalt
Rome as a principality
and military capabilities
during the wars today
will be of cavalry
and not cavalry.
This is a military political work
in which military capabilities are exalted
of infantry,
of Rome,
saying that the future of wars
will not be cavalry,
but infantry
with so much artillery.
And above all
an extremely mercenary work
mercenaries who fight for money
and not for political fidelity.
We don't do that.
Then I will link you to the analysis
because it is curious.
Let's see his political work
even if
Tito Livio's "The Discourse on the First Decade"
is even more
dense than his political work
and obviously the prince.
The prince, as you know,
is a kind of mademoiselle
for the good ruler
for the good prince.
The prince is the son of this idea.
For Machiavelli
politics is a science
that has two principles.
Historicism
and realism.
For Machiavelli, politics is
based on historicism.
To study history,
to study history,
to understand history,
the forms of historical governance,
to study them
for what they really were.
What was the police
of Pericles?
What was the Roman Triumvirate?
What was the Augustean Empire?
What was it?
The "Signoria dei Medici".
Politics is a science
that is based first of all
on historicism.
That is, on the study of history.
We look into history
the political forms.
Even for the present.
But how does this study of history come about?
This study of history
should be effective and objective.
I don't have to study
the democracy of Pericles
as I imagine it to be today.
I don't have to study the "Signoria dei Medici"
as I imagine it to be a fantasy "Signoria".
I don't have to study the Roman Empire
thinking of Star Wars.
Is that clear?
I have to study the Roman Empire,
the Triumvirate, the "Signoria"
or the Government of the Carthaginians
historically
for what it was.
Historicism.
Second point, realism.
That is, I have to understand
if those political forms
studied in an objective way
objectively historicized
are realizable today.
Realizable today.
So realism also means
I studied
the "Polis di Pericle"
the Triumvirate of Caesar
the Principate of Augusto
and the "Signoria"
of the "Signoria dei Medici".
Which of these forms
of government
is the best
but realizable today?
Not the best one.
The Asia of Utopia,
the New Atlantis,
the city of the sun.
Which one is
the best and realizable?
So, among the best
which one is realizable?
I don't even know.
Which one is realizable?
Which one is the best?
I don't study the history
to identify the best in absolute
I study the history
to identify the best political form
that I can analyze.
I'll give you an example.
What is the best electoral system
for Italy?
Not at all.
For Italy in 2020
what is the best electoral system
for
all of these problems?
We want an electoral system
that gives us clear government
but that also represents Italians.
That is, that Italians who vote
are represented.
We vote, we want those who vote
go there.
We make it proportional to the majority.
Majority is a turn, two turns.
Proportion is a failure.
That is, we represent all those
who take more than 4, 5, 6, 7, 8%
in America.
So if you say two votes
it doesn't take anything.
So a party that comes second
in all of the Americans
could have zero representatives
because the first one who wins takes everything.
In Europe there is no such system
except with the English
with some corrections.
American English, as you know, are united
and with the English model that is born in the United States.
But who would you say?
Let's not study the best
electoral system for Italy at all.
But is it good
and achievable for Italy today?
What does Machiavelli do?
Machiavelli, studying
the various political forms that he says
for Italy of the 500
the best form of government is
the prince.
And he imagines a prince who probably
understands the Tuscan,
a part of the Lazio, of the Marques
that pushes himself to the Emilia
because Italy is divided
in many regional states.
There is still a marina
that is declining.
The prince, in expansion,
could be a good form of government.
Since the prince
is a good form of government
he presents
the characteristics of the good ruler.
I tell you some
you have the book
I also link the other lesson
and then you think about it.
The good ruler
is the one who
seems to govern well.
And to govern well
means to govern
for the interests of the State
and not for its own interests
even here in the Habits of Politics.
I said for the interests
of the citizens of the State
of the State
but Machiavelli and Guicciardini are two theorists
of the State reason.
The ruler doesn't do
the interests of the single citizens
or even of all citizens.
But he has to
do it for the interests of the State
because for Machiavelli, if he does the interests of the State
then as a consequence
there will be the interests of the citizens.
If instead I want to do the interests of the citizens
I begin to say who
I want the interests of these
oh no, they support me,
I don't do it. The State
for Machiavelli comes before
the citizens. If I govern
for the good of the prince
the subjects of the Prince
there will be no advantages.
The worst principle is the one that governs
not for the reason of the Prince
but that governs for the reason of himself.
Obviously today, boys, in politics
whether it's Trump, Macron,
Merkel, Conte, Putin
they will tell you that they govern
for the people, for the voters,
for the citizens.
You need to understand if it is really so
using Machiavelli
and Machiavelli at the beginning of politics
that governs for the reason of the State.
So, for absurdity
I am a Democrat
they have chosen Brexit
an important signal because it means
that the majority of the English are Brexit.
Then, if Brexit gives you Machiavelli
does the interests
of the State or not
let's open it up.
The good ruler
is not supposed to have Machiavelli
in the electoral list because it is not
a democracy, that of Machiavelli.
The good ruler is doing
the interests of the State.
If you do it well
and if you do it well, the people
will be happy, they will not envy you
because most of the power
of the rulers are envy
because they rule badly.
Corrupts, thieves,
wrong alliances.
Second example, the good ruler
is the one who chooses well the allies.
Because the ally
is the one who gives you something
in return.
If you deal with
the megalomaniac, the stupid, the rancorous
the deep war, the cynic
you deal with a state
with a prince who takes you to war
but in this class
many of you have seen a son
but also in vain, like the troddy-spade
the allies in the political sphere
if they are pessimists
they take you to wars
or to the bankrupt
and if you are all allies
with his help, when he will ask you
you should not give him
but if he asks you for help
for political or military reason
if you do not give him, you risk the war against him
because he asked you before, now you help me
but if you help him with the stupid war
you lose the power.
And of course the good prince
is the one who chooses
in an occult way
with whom to ally.
The alliance between Mussolini and Iter
is a disaster in Italy
obviously I chose the wrong alliance
in the first world war
the government
in charge of the german-Austrian
we ally with the french-English
and so we win the war
the allies are decisive
this person has two things
very quickly
the good government
the good ruler
is the one who
obviously
tries to
govern the fortune
fortune is involved
but the good ruler
is the one who
prepares the good fortune
he does everything
because the fortune is good
for example, the first one
you try to govern well
choose good allies
you try to prepare the defense
you try to go against
the fortune
if you go wrong
you are prepared
then maybe it's not enough
but do not make the "chicala"
that all the summer you do not let them play
and then you go to the "chicala"
it's clear
so, fourth
the good prince
is strong as a lion
and stubborn as a wolf
stubborn as a wolf and strong as a lion
and the intelligence
that guides the strength
without the strength
obviously is a wolf
but the strength without the intelligence
is blind
if you have only the strength without the intelligence
if you are blind
enter and crush everything
if a giant, a colossus, a stupid fighter
it's clear
if instead you are only smart
you lack the strength, it can be weak
but with the intelligence of the strength
you lack the intelligence
the prince, if he does not have the intelligence
the politicians of today and yesterday fall
because they lack
lack of intelligence
I close
with a second
the end of the justice the means
calm down
but those who have this sentence
have not said it
but say that the good politician
is with him
who knows how to choose the best means
to make his own ends
if the means is religion
the army, the war
and so
the good politician is the one
who attacks before being attacked
the good politician
is the one who knows how to use religion
for advantage
this politician is like
what does it mean?
it means that the prince does not
make himself conditioned by religion
but the prince is the one who uses religion
to make himself conditioned
the prince knows
that religion can be a tool to govern
and it uses religion
it does not make itself useful
but if it seems beautiful
the religion of politics is the religion of religion
this is an author
of "Laica Politics"
as we have to understand it
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Focus on two Italian intellectual philosophers
Machiavelli is extensively studied worldwide for his works on power and politics.
Philosophers from the 15th and 16th centuries, like Guicciardini and Machiavelli, contributed to the re-emergence of political philosophy.
Machiavelli's teachings emphasize the importance of realism and faith in political action.
Machiavelli's political philosophy centers on historical analysis and realism in governance.
Summary:
The transcription delves into the teachings of Italian philosophers Guicciardini and Machiavelli, highlighting Machiavelli's significant global influence through his works on power and politics. It discusses how thinkers from the 15th and 16th centuries, like Guicciardini and Machiavelli, played a crucial role in reinstating political philosophy as a central aspect of philosophical speculation. Machiavelli's emphasis on realism, faith, and historical analysis in politics is explored, underlining the importance of governance for the state's interests rather than individual or citizen benefits.
The text also touches on Machiavelli's views on selecting allies wisely, preparing for fortune, and his advocacy for a ruler to prioritize the state's well-being over personal gains.
FAQs
They are two Italian intellectual philosophers and political thinkers.
They are highly studied and known worldwide, especially in political philosophy courses.
Machiavelli focuses on power, political bodies, and the state in his works.
Machiavelli's political philosophy is based on historicism, studying historical forms of governance objectively.
A good politician must govern for the interests of the state, choose allies wisely, and prepare for fortune.
A good politician must have faith and perseverance to overcome challenges and change the course of events.
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