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i just thought this was really just this is just good writing okay i'm not bi i'm a mom i know i love that and then i mean also i'm like i almost just said and the way she said it it was literally me oh my god oh but i love that i love that i love being outside of the work but to be like that was good that was just that was just clean let me say this hey it's peyton and hunter and this is let me say this from higher ground and here's what we're talking about today spider-man brand new day but before anything we have darcy carden with us from the good place and peacock's five-star weekend and like let's say this that's a sister that's our sister and i love her down when her titties came out i said oh we go together she took it out she took it out she took it there and that's why we love and respect her all right get into it we got to get into it interview okay so we ask everyone who comes on the show yeah do you consider yourself a lover or a hater lover say more okay yes and zoom in on that by the way i am like optimistic i'm a glass half full i have a hard time making people like okay okay okay okay here's a thought here's it like okay okay okay okay there i did this show with the the wonderful sherry cola called wild vacation rentals it was a hgtv show where we had to like go to different airbnbs and say if they were good or bad i couldn't say one negative thing about any of these houses and some of them smelled bad like some of them i would not want to stay in it's like i can't i'm a i'm a lover like the idea of somebody who owns one of these homes watching hgtv and being like like or she said she liked it to my face and you know like what puts me in a grave yeah so that's just like one thing that just popped in my head but i think i'm a lover lover lover to a fault okay i love that about you oh oh yeah i was gonna well because i just imagined hunter entering a home that she didn't like or there's one small thing that resonated where she was like nope no because when i did when we did interior motives i was very nice well that's because people were gay and she had to be an ally that is why i am an ally by choice always here's an okay but now i'm gonna dig a little deeper okay go like i could hate behind closed doors oh right publicly a lover privately total right like like like you know like it's fun to talk shit yeah but i would walk i don't know why i'm stuck on this hgtv thing but like walk into a home and be like and then when the camera started i'd be like here's all the things that i actually liked about it which weren't lies but i yeah i have a hard time i don't i'm gonna let the hgtv thing go that's okay in many ways but um but just yeah i think um always always looking for like the positive quick crazy pivot which is i was watching an interview yeah where you were talking about how like bits is like a second language yes to me a bit is a love language yes totally have you thought about this before everyone's clapping in the room oh i can hear it let's hold for applause we'll take the sound out yeah yeah because it's actually too much because i as we went to emerson college bleep it bleep it out please so just like just and a town for bits and i actually feel like it is another and deeper and more specific version of an inside joke yes totally totally and also not everybody not everybody can do bits or the same kind of bits and not that that like can make or break but when you do speak the same bit language it is like like an invisible like wave invisible string an invisible string is that what that means no okay i can see taylor doing some bits no i mean no no sorry no that one speech she gave when she was like trying to do bits and it was all in the wrong cadence she was like holding for applause no one knew that she was doing a bit maybe they took the applause out like we just did we just did nope we actually just did that literally that happened taylor's i'm with you um on some things but i just i thought it was so like romantic the way you said that and i was like oh it does make me feel deeply tethered to another person when they can yes and my absolute bullshit yes especially when it's bad like you know i mean that in a way that's like um that's chemistry or like clack or whatever where you're where you and again it doesn't it doesn't have to be like this for you to feel chemistry or like someone but there is just something that like takes it up a level yeah and it is like yeah romantic and exciting and you just feel like a certain invisible string wait i was at the first love though yeah um well like yeah i'm not sure if that's true but i'm not sure if that's true but i'm not sure if that's true but theater in general okay right so like theater theater went to school for theater like the classics the you know like straight theater and then moved here to do theater and then sort of like literally saw an improv show and it was like punched me in the face oh wow it really was like instant like where i had never seen it before and it was a good show and i and i really was like and there i will be you know signed up for class the next day yeah excuse me i'm not sure if that's true excuse me if i've said this before but i think it's just kind of funny it was so long ago that it was like you'd have to like it wasn't there wasn't even an online whatever you had to go into the place and hand them your check and your sign up form and the intern behind the desk was donald glover oh that's how long ago this was wait i love that i know that's so like creative community yeah i know you came up with i feel like with like all yes all the people that you're seeing now you guys all collectively came up together like it's so wild it's so actually beautiful and insane that's so cool yeah it's it's really like um and it kind of was like the point of improv was to like lift each other up right like i i love and have so much respect for stand-up but that's not really the point of that right it's a little bit like well i don't want to talk shit about stand-up but it's like about yourself right you can yeah and i have a show uh august 31st at union hall if you want to go but i love it i love it i love it and i couldn't do it like i'm not even i like it's sisters or sisters but um but there is something about like the ethos never used that word before of is it right of improv is it right sure it felt right it doesn't matter sometimes i use words just because of like the vibe and you're like don't double check that yeah i don't rewind um is to like yeah to like rise together to lift each other up to like make each other look like geniuses it's just it is cool to look around good old hollywood and see my buddies yeah no actually like to creative creatively collaborate over a course of time and like see how much you evolve and change and how much someone else does yeah like that's so cool college buddies yeah yes right this is that yeah yeah i feel like we're threading a needle of friendship which brings us to a five-star weekend she's so good at that she's so good at being like i'm gonna take us to the point i love no good that was amazing yeah yeah i'll give her her flowers thank you so much um okay so tell us about getting involved in this show did you audition what was the i auditioned i was the last to audition so the cast was set i had read about it and had the feeling of like oh i can't wait to watch this what a cast you know and then the audition came my way oh yeah i'd even put a friend on tape for a different role like i really was aware of this show and the audition came my way and i like was looking at the dates and i was like damn this is in like two weeks like who dropped out i still don't know and um um which is fine which is great my my win or whatever my game my game but yeah so had a few auditions and a few like callbacks and and then and then like the day that it came to the the day that they were like you got it it was like and this afternoon you have to go and meet the cast yeah like it was that fast okay wow but do you like when stuff is that fast i kind of do when stuff like when it's slow and so and so then i overthink it in my own head and then i psych myself totally into it and out of it and when it's like fast it's like okay i don't have anything to overthink my first instinct is right i agree and especially as someone who comes from improv yeah you're just like here we go yeah yeah i totally agree i had that thought too where i was like this is maybe i like this better yeah so and it was really fun and i mean the beginning like it was like well the whole thing in the beginning i mean the beginning was fun yeah yeah no it was such a fun way to start it was i remember that first day it was it was truly like and you got it and at one o'clock you need to be at this address and and it was it was a lunch with the director and the and the actresses and i'd never met any of them which is also rare actually i had never met any of them and nobody had met each other and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna yeah yeah i mean you know not to like toot our own horns to toot but i feel like watching it and doing it but i was like oh this is working yeah like to see jen and chloe together never seen them together before they exist in like different worlds yeah and then them playing like new york and no yeah exactly you're right yes but but seeing them play like old childhood best friends that have like drifted apart it like works so well to me yeah and they i just like loved their dynamic yeah as actors together we were talking about it and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be Thank you for talking about it. regina hall and chloe as like college best friend and childhood best friend and how like that in my head i would almost like cast it the opposite way but it works even better right in this way because like as saying regina's like the high-powered like uh knows her shit friend and then chloe is like the local normie but it's like she's not local but when she's smoking i'm like there she is just the way she like lights it the way she sucks it in i know she's off book on smoking i know she is but i loved her in this role and she she loved it too like i know she really like dug into it and it wasn't a role she had really played before typically plays yeah it was it was so she's on quite a tear like now that i'm thinking about it with this um the new bonjour tristesse like is that how you say that i don't know it sounded right i speak spanish so yeah that's and how how much spanish uh find out well i was gonna say i i have to bring into the space i was cracking up about chloe holding a um phone wallet case i said they had to make that's the only way to make her regular like a phone wallet case you there's like my mama yes that's so funny there's like boredom meetings where they're like it's not working she is not regular what do we do what's the prop what's the costume how do we make her regular yeah god she's so fucking cool are you big on girls trips in general yeah i think i am like i've been on i've been on a few that have been great yeah i've also been on like you know sometimes you think of the bad things uh-oh maybe i am a hater it always comes out at the end cut the cameras but you know like things can go wrong you can like when i think of i i don't know i'm thinking of like a girl's trip that i was so excited for which ultimately was a great girl's trip but but you see like sides of people that maybe you wouldn't see in normal life yeah yeah yeah yeah knowing how someone travels yes personal it's so it is personal and deep i really i can like i mean without naming a single name i definitely remember being like and we're done like like not like just to myself like watching the way she totally worked i was like this says too much my least favorite person like in a group dynamic is the person who's like always doing a side quest who's always like trying to like make her own plan do their own thing i'm like no no no i'm different yeah sorry we're all actually so we're all six going yes but that's just me no i know you mean something about me or the person that's like oh just early hike 7 a.m i'm like don't tell someone that just sneak out the house if you're gonna do it it's so much because you know what you're making us feel bad or someone has to be like fine i'll go i don't want to go i want to sleep until nine i'm on vacation i love when i was on a bachelorette trip once we're like okay like 8 a.m hike and then we all got so fucked up the night before the bride was like so no actually so we're actually just gonna order breakfast burritos and like i love that i love like a gentle plan for a trip especially when it's like not just you and your person if it's like a group trip yeah yeah um a gentle plan where we have some things to do but they like but if we bailed if the if the group bails that's not the end of the world yeah yeah i love putting way too high of an expectation on a trip i'm like oh this is gonna change my life i'm gonna be different i can live here now i know i know it was i was for kayla one of my best friends her birthday we all like really just like these all every beautiful black girls everywhere as far as i could see and all white on a little boat everyone's seasick everyone's growing up everywhere it was like we took before photos that's great though it was fucked wait did you make this into a tiktok i think i actually i remember you like funny horizontal holding on to the it was treacherous that is so funny but like that's a memory you'll have forever yeah this is true yeah i will not forget unfortunately oh god um yeah heroin now i'm like remembering too many trips like that where like you know somebody doing a little bit too many drugs or a little bit too much booze and just kind of like ruining the whole thing like this is gonna be the night and then you're like we gotta go to the emergency room yeah unfortunately this one was all natural by the way it's just god given by the waves the waves right you overdosed on waves i i did um i'm going somewhere so random but i was which is i'm not gonna elaborate but for some reason i thought you're from canada oh wait i've heard that before i didn't realize you weren't canadian like had conversations with people where i like stood i'm a tourist so i'm stubborn so i told someone like no she's fully canadian and are you okay yeah i wonder why i wonder why but wait are you bay area or is your mom my mom me well i follow you on instagram chill he said go ahead and be normal yeah you've been doing some digging on me put it out there every day you said chill okay stop be normal okay i love a woman's work this is awesome my mom's from the bay area yes love the bay me too i mean yeah i didn't realize you're from the bay yeah and the bay is having such a big moment right now is it yeah i mean if you think about like alissa liu okay yeah i've seen when love ryan coogler yes you're right zendaya always always like i just was like oh i feel like a lot of darcy carton baby yeah my um mom works at a college where ryan coogler went and actually like he references it a lot yeah wait he always talks about that one teacher yeah who my mom is like buds with and she's like she's you know like like she has been talking about him forever and it like is very real oh amazing and your mom lives in uh well now she's back in la actually but she grew up in oakland yeah went to skyline yeah so i think my cousins went to skyline but a lot of bad bitches did yeah i don't even know your cousin and tom hanks went to skyline interesting yes yeah and then when i remember tom hanks is from oakland i'm like chet hanks yes and you know what else chet hanks leo interesting is his birthday today no it's actually the same day as barack obama's august 4th oh my god yeah i was scrolling on instagram and i followed rita wilson and she wish you happy birthday yeah she let you know oh yeah i guess i saw that too wait what are you what's that i'm cap capricorn january 4th which you know i'm i'm not like deep into astrology but sometimes when i say i'm capricorn people are like of course you are and sometimes they're like not at all so i don't know what what is that like determined hard-working i always think about this like what is it what is it determined sexy a little young i don't know no one's ever been younger no my first thought was like so close to january 6th wow oh yeah that's true but for so much of my life that didn't even matter and now it's changed everything well i was i based that solely because you were like i don't like to plan and that feels very capricorn yeah a little virgo-y but like capricorns are you i think out of all the earth signs taurus may oh god sorry april april okay thank you april 27th i thought we were friends is that right um april 25th okay but again one more time um but they're just like the most hard-headed out of all the right very hard-headed anyway i've gone somewhere gay i was gonna say lesbian let's keep going yeah let's keep going wait go with your line that you talked about last week oh oh the one i was like what are you talking about but she loves this um i just thought this was really just this is just good writing okay i'm not bi i'm a mom i know i loved that and then i mean also i'm like i almost just said and the way she said it it was literally me oh my god oh but i love that i love that i love being outside of the work but to be like that was good that was just that was just clean i guess i don't even mean it was good or bad i just mean like like i feel like brooke in that moment was like couldn't even comprehend yeah she's like that well that's not possible because of this it was because like of course what kind of time do i have yeah yeah yeah i already did this thing so yeah what kind of time job is so real that's really funny i got a messy husband as a kid and like i don't i can't do that two freaking boys oh yeah you're hard to be buying that household yeah um or easy depending on how you look at it but i just want to talk about this character and coming into brooke and like i guess maybe even preparing for her in some kind of way you play her so well thank you it's so fun to watch you as like a closeted bisexual sort of stepford wife that's great thank you i like you know there's something about brooke when i got you okay you get the little sides you read it for an audition and the way it works for me is i'm either like i understand this or i don't it's like i either understand this and this is gonna be easy or i don't and it's and i'm gonna fake it not to spill my my acting secrets but when this one i was like i know her yeah i know this woman so well like i've met her parts of me are her like i i just know her or like like secret dark insecure parts you know like i just really understand this woman and like i'm gonna show you who she is meaning to the people i was auditioning for and truly like if it's not right then i don't know her does that make sense i'm like because this is who she is so this so yeah sometimes acting is hard and sometimes acting is easy and for this not that i don't mean it was like a breeze it's just like finding her was pretty easy yeah yeah but i also feel very different from her i don't feel like i was playing with her i don't feel like i was playing myself kind of at all yeah yeah yeah no she seems very different from you yeah and she seems like someone who's um almost hyper aware of like acting out her life in a way like act like trying to slot herself into something yeah exactly right and it just is so wrong it feels so wrong like every every right move she makes is like wrong yeah yeah the clothes it all feels like such a performance hats like all of that which I thought was that you play really well thanks thank you I mean I like love her I like want to protect her a little bit that's an interesting thing is like yeah like I wanted to like do right by her because I want to like protect her that's so funny that's such a weird thing because she ain't real no but I think I I kind of don't trust when actors are like oh I know I'm playing a terrible person yeah yeah I'm just I was reading um Jeremy Strong on Mark Zuckerberg and I'm like but part of the job is like to find the humanity in anyone because otherwise like what do you what are you just like mimicking something that feels like so false totally yeah so no I I think that makes it felt like there was a little razzle-dazzle of Janet in there too yeah yeah like like a little bit of like um trying to please yeah yeah yeah like I wouldn't call her robotic but I do think that there was kind of like a okay so there's a role I'm playing like almost a literal way of thinking yeah like how can I meet this need or I have to like follow this yeah yeah yeah um that's you guys good job you see it you get it you get it yeah and then you know like I didn't really know what the tone was going to be like and and again I came into it so last minute like read my scripts I read the book I was like trying to do it all and then like get on set with these women like literally day one we're sitting at this table this literal table this literal table we flew it in for this and that's nice of you guys to do that um but just like seeing how it was so fun to like see they're just so good these actors are so good and it's and sometimes I have to kind of like almost like smack myself and be like you're here like this is you really are I don't know the way Jen would drop into she can't not go all the way yeah the thing about Jen Garner we love her so much we've seen her for so long we know her personality you sometimes forget that she is such a fucking fantastic actor yeah she is so good and she's so tapped in she cannot do it halfway there's she had like a lot of emotional shit in this in this show and she just can't she can't like fake it yeah much to like her dismay yeah you know what I mean yeah yeah she's really she like inspire she's inspiring and I I would kind of like get lost in her oh you know too yeah me at home on my couch really I'm like sometimes I yeah yeah especially when it was like close scenes I'm like looking at her face and I have to be like but you're also you're on camera yeah but I think also works with the characters yeah yeah I think it also works with the characters too because like a nucleus of so many people's like admiration respect whatever and then for her to kind of hold all of that and still try to perform this idea of perfection yeah I think really like it almost it plays on camera it really works really worked yeah yeah I agree I mean you've now worked with two of my favorite Hollywood Jennifer here we go and also I don't know if you know this but shotgun wedding fucks it does it's such a good movie we're talking about we're doing like a Jennifer Lopez section yeah and I literally was like it's one of my favorite JLo movies it does fuck kooky I love it yeah you know what's funny is that like group text with all the love in the world not with JLo she's not on group text I wish she was but like the the rest of the cast yeah it pops off to this day really yes it's very sweet it's a very it's like I well where were you guys filming because it must have been the Dominican oh yeah in the Dominican like like a year into COVID so it was like the first thing it was like the first stranger I had met during you know like yeah literally like the the first new people I had met like the first flight you took yes first flight first like meal I had eaten with anyone other than my husband first everything yeah so and for everybody so it was like we and we all like lived together in a big house and we really bonded hard JLo JLo lived in like a castle down the down the beach but everybody else was like oh my god she's she's changed I know I know no she needed she you know yeah star producer like she had to do her own thing which which was right but which was right yeah but like Lenny Kravitz and Cheech and Jennifer Coolidge and Sonia Braga and like all these people we like lived in this I say house but I mean like the biggest beach house with I mean it was it was beyond but but it was really um it was unreal and to have that kind of be my my first like social experience in a year into COVID was I think we just like bonded really hard oh it's really cute wow I love that that's always what I like imagine like I would hope that that is what happens I don't think it always does yeah I know yeah but that's like that's so special and that it was during COVID makes it feel like this weird sort of like in between yeah yeah it was a girl's trip in some ways in some ways kind of yes we were kind of girl stripping and then okay like a year ago I my Jason husband and I went to see Lenny Kravitz at a at a show a rock show and and we in the show was incredible rock god and because he's Lenny Kravitz I'm always a little bit like will he remember me like a little bit like you know and we went backstage after and he like he wouldn't like let anyone else in he just like wanted to talk about shotgun wedding for like 30 minutes you know he just wanted to because it was so special and he wanted to kind of be like wasn't that special it was really cute oh it was really really cute that kind of reminds me of the little different because obviously Lenny Kravitz was in the movie yeah but do you remember how Prince was obsessed with New Girl yes like that's like that's great to be like I like this show so much I want to be on it yes you will write me on it yeah and that's on ADHD sorry um one of my notes to myself being like Sara Bareilles because you guys kind of look like we've talked about we should play we've actually you guys look alike yeah we do sister obviously so I mean she is a sister voice of an angel voice of an angel oh my god like it's crazy I'm not gonna write you a love song and when everyone found out that like that was like a fuck you yes they're like yes what a voice flips the table yeah I know you guys are cousins to me we do we like we we were sort of like dming for a while and then we ran in we were we ran into each other and we were we were like finally face to face same face to same face I just I let has nothing to do I know I love that I love question it was just note to self kate berland and i have discussed like figuring out something where like kate katherine han sarah borelis and i could play sisters yeah yeah there's a few more in there katherine keener maya rudolph like we all sort of have the same face yeah you know what i mean yeah i don't not look like maya rudolph yeah no i've seen you know it's my mom's favorite show by the way yes yes wow that's so crazy i know someone thinks that about me and zoe kravitz i think they do by the way i think they do we got into it she was like i feel like i'm like fk twigs and i was like fk twigs like plays with swords and like flips backward but maybe like her cousin but her cousin yeah exactly yeah yeah um maybe we do a quick like lover yeah but we kind of um okay how's this yeah um you didn't say anything yeah no no no i love it i love it okay shotgun wedding yes fucks tell us your favorite wedding okay i know it right now oh okay i really love four weddings and a funeral when i watched that young enough that young enough but old enough right like so maybe pre-teen where i was kind of like this is an adult movie oh you know what i mean that is something special right the first movie that you watch that you're like this is an adult movie and i'm an adult having good taste exactly that's like me in chicago right right right oh cute cool cool and i think and i think i also maybe was like huge like you know oh my goodness something i also like my uh we have we have we me and my siblings have some british cousins and and i think i grew up like i love them so much and sort of like idolizing them and a couple times we'd go to england or they'd come to us and it was just sort of like the romantic like like i know england or something so i think i in particular had something specific with england growing up where i i was like that's for me which i have less now no shade oh that's so much shade that's so much shade oh that's okay no beans and toast yeah sorry it's okay they like colonized so many places you're fine it's okay i mean like i'm a little off them now you learn a thing or two but then i also like re-watched it recently for the first time and i was like i know this isn't gonna work for me and it did it still did oh okay so i don't know it doesn't always happen like that i'm always afraid of that like eternal sunshine spotless where you're like i don't want to re-watch it yeah yeah but actually i just re-watched it and it does yeah yeah yeah but it might not hit the same way i think it will yeah i think do you have a favorite wedding movie oh my gosh okay two i think these are actually the two best movies romantic comedies of the 90s um my best friend's wedding okay of course and the best man okay somewhere between them like perfect wedding movie it has everything you could ever want yes you're right both of them like the friendship dynamic as well as like the drama of the day yeah and the scene where donald maroney sucks the ring off of julie roberts finger it's like absolute it's the hottest it's a way that like it is insane we don't make movies like that anymore a hotter moment in any movie ever it's just so outrageous and also yeah yeah like maybe j-lo and and george clooney like at the table in out of sight before they like have sex yeah yeah i but i don't know it's not sucking a freaking ring off a finger and she's like so like girlish and like sort of pitiful in that moment she's like i'm sorry yeah oh i love girls do you have a favorite wedding monster in law yes yeah because at the end of the day that's a movie about a lesbian relationship. That's what that is for me. It's also just like the best dynamic between Jane fucking Fonda and J-Lo. Who was the guy in that? Was that Matthew McConaughey or was that the other guy? I don't think it was Matthew McConaughey. No, Matthew McConaughey was made Manhattan. No, that wasn't him. You're thinking of failure to launch. Oh, yes. Wait. Planner. Okay, I think it's another guy. I think it's like that one guy who's never been kissed maybe. Okay, wait, hold on. We're going to do this. But it's not even about him, so it doesn't even matter. His name is. Fuck. He was also an alias with. Yes, yeah. Oh my God, what was his name? What is his name? We're going to get it. Again, phones is probably just like. Michael Barton. Yes, yeah, yeah. Wait, incredible. A high five. I'm not going to. That was a little weak. I just did it too. No, no, no. That's so crazy. That was a good one. Nice. It was a little like, don't lean back into it. Don't hit me. Shoulders back, titties up. Okay, high five. 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It's something for the lover girls out there. This episode is sponsored by Hinge. Listen to the five incredible love stories about five real couples who took a risk. The No Ordinary Love audiobook is free on Spotify. Okay, now we legally have to talk about Spider-Man. Brand new day. Brand new day. And it is a brand new day. Hallelujah. Everything hallelujah. That was wrong. Actually, that was like. Anyway, I will say everyone I talked to was like, Peyton, you have to see this. It's so good. And I wasn't a Tom Holland. I'm not a big Spider-Man person. That's not my like Marvel franchise of choice. Yeah. Who do you like? Doctor Strange? Yeah, that's the alternative. Well, we'll talk about it later. But X-Men, Loki probably made me gay, but also probably made me bi. And we'll get into that later as well. But God did both of those things. He did. He worked overtime. But yeah, I'm not, I wasn't ever really a bit. I mean, I guess maybe the first one with Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst, but then might be one of my favorite Spider-Man movies, even though I've only seen a few of them. I was about to say, so I don't know. That's a very high bar to clear. Thank you. But okay, so quick synopsis. Four years after No Way Home, a fully isolated Peter Parker works full time as Spider-Man. While tracking down crimes alongside the NYPD, Peter suffers from strange physical strains with his spidey senses, clock it, taking over. He battles the Department of Damage Control. Been there. And a grief. Stricken, telepathic antagonist. Starring Tom Holland, Zendaya, Sadie Sink, and John Brinthal. And one thing that I want to say, don't know why he had to wipe people's memories. Can't remember exactly how that happened or why that happened. I just went with it. I said, okay, totally. Yes. And that is what we did there. Absolutely. Okay. Spider-Man, brand new day, love or hater? Mostly love. Mostly love. Okay. That's okay. Tell me more. Okay. This is, I really like Tom Holland as Spider-Man. Yeah. I also think Spider-Man is the best Marvel character. Right. You love that. I do. What can I say? It's like, you know, battling two worlds. You know, he's just a boy, just a boy from Queens. But then also he is a superhero. It's like he has to do homework still. I love, I think it's like perfect. However, this one felt very long to me. More than once, I was like, girl, we got to get, obviously the Department of Damage Control is, bad. Okay. We got to, we got to move along. I don't know why the Hulk is here. Like we have to get this show on the road. That being said, all of the things between Tom Holland and Zendaya, love. I, Tom Holland and like the friend group loved, the sort of isolation story loved. However, I almost want to say that it over-indexed a little bit into like the loneliness because what I really like about Spider-Man, especially in like this era of Marvel superhero, even like the DC stuff is that Spider-Man isn't so like gloom and doom. He actually does have fun. And the moments of him like connecting with his friends really moved me. And that is my favorite part. Yeah. And so you felt like a little bit robbed of that. Yeah. It was a little bit too much. Okay. We get it. He like has no friends. He lives in an attic. Yeah. He is work-life balance. You guys, it's really important. Yeah. And even the thing about like his Spidey sense is taking over and like eyes going black, like erect, erectage. Is that what they're called? You're asking the wrong girl and you know that. I think that's what spiders are called. Anyway, I was like, don't need it. I don't know why we have that whole thing about him. Like, like we don't need a metaphor for the work-life balance. We get it. Yeah. But I do think, I mean, I did feel that it was, it was kind of long, literally, right? Wasn't it two and a half hours? Yeah. There were definitely, I feel like we could have, we got a little bit of a director's cut, which like that didn't bother me though, as much as I thought it would. Cause you had mentioned you're like girls long, like get ready. And I did feel a little bit like wiggling in my seat, but I didn't mind it. I think like I actually, I'm going to get to the annoying thing that I'm going to say. I'm going to start, I'm going to, I'm going to softball into it. First, first things first, God, Zendaya plays the marketing demographics so well, 18 to 24. She just really does. I love seeing her in that age range. I think they aged her perfectly too, from film to film. Like I think that it's all subtle. Do you know what I mean? Like even just the way she does her hair, her eyebrows. And I thought that that was a really nice taste. Another thing I really loved the choreography from the jumpers, you know, like Sadie Sink's a Jean Grey character, how she jumps from person to person. I was like, this is a dance background dream to be like, and batma fall, like glamorous. Sorry. Is that a review of a movie that I have? Absolutely. That's what I bring to the space. No, you know what? I agree with that. That one black teen who was, who she like jumped into when they're on the sidewalk. Oh yeah. Loved that actor. Oh my gosh. I was like, I hope low key, this is the villain because he is really good. Wait, quick pause. Also, uh, how do you say his name? Tramell Tillman. Yeah. I love him. I love him as a villain. I love when a villain is sexy. Keep villains sexy. I didn't know who Frank was. Did we know? Were we supposed to know? Oh, oh. I don't really know what the Punisher's whole deal is, but what I do know is that Jon Bernthal has a Bluetooth in his ear and he's going to handle it. He's on his way. Half of his scenes were literally him in his van. Yeah. With the Bluetooth in his ear being like, damn Spider-Man. I'm on my way. Like truly you're in a crisis. I'm on my way. Super nanny. He said, and I'm bringing the guns. Because he's grown too. Spider-Man's like, don't kill anyone. Don't shoot anyone. He's like, I'm going to handle however it needs to be handled. That's low key us. And I saw it for him. I loved that. I loved it. Also, something I really appreciate in Tom Holland's Spider-Man is I love that he has such boyish charm. He's really good in this role. See, that's the whole charm of Spider-Man. I see it. That doesn't make Spider-Man my favorite character, but I do see it, and I really appreciate it in Tom Holland. And I love—I mean, you know I love a boy who can dance. You know I love a boy who can flip. Benson Boone. But I think Tom Holland is just like—he put a little cruise on it. You know what I'm saying? Because he's doing a lot of his own stunts and like— Oh, Tom Cruise you meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's putting a little cruise on it. Oh, you're not all focused on Tom Cruise. I call him Cruise. But my main—here's my main annoying take. Yeah. And you can't react. You just have to be nice. It's a Monday. Now I'm nervous. Okay, Lord. You know the weekend I've had. I know. That's true. Spider-Man Brand New Home? Day. Day. Spider-Man Brand New Day is a movie about parts work. Are we hip to parts work? Is that the internal family systems? IFS? Of course. So basically it's like him shaming parts of him instead of bringing them—letting them express themselves and talking to them kindly when they've been told to be small or they've been told that they're bad. And who decides what's good and what's bad? And I said, this is the work. This, Peter Parker, is doing the work. And I thought that was so different. It was so beautiful. Was it corny AF when he was like, his eyes go black and then they go white? And he's like, are you a good guy or a bad guy? Are you Spider-Man or Peter Parker? And he goes, I'm both. I said. And that's how Sue sees it. Well. Loved it. Yeah. Loved it. Yeah. It was great. Totally. The body keeps the score. And that's what I learned over and over again watching that movie. But I really, really liked it. Liked it more than I thought I would. I think I've only watched like one other Spider-Man movie before. Something that I do think is funny, though, is— Has there never been like a race reveal joke about Spider-Man before? What do you mean? Just the fact that like when someone lifts his mask, no one's like, you're white? You're from Queens. It's actually pronounced Wyatt. I just was like, no one— Like, Zendaya, you're seeing this person for the first time. Again, we all like allegedly know Spider-Man is from Queens. You got the whole bulletin board in your damn, you know, roommate's room. But you lift it up and it's a white boy and no one says anything? I guess he could be like a white passing Puerto Rican or something. But like, I'm just like, Queens is a largely like Asian or like Latino demographic. And no one ever says anything about it. I think it's so funny. Hmm. Interesting. You know what I mean? Well, I guess we got the black one now. The animated one. I just thought that's funny. You know what? I've never thought about that. Well, privilege. Got her. Oh, excuse me. Yeah, cut to last episode where I'm like, so I'm white. Cut to five seconds ago when— What did you lay your edges with? That's private. Literally, that's private. Don't do that. And don't say DM me. Don't. Don't do it. Curious what you thought about Sadie Sink in this role as Jean Grey. Liked her. I like Sadie Sink. I really have nothing— I'm not a Stranger Things person, so I only know her from that Taylor Swift music video and John Proctor is the villain. And yeah, I liked her a lot. I just— Eventually, I was like, okay, we gotta get to this. We have to— I want— I wanted a lot more of her. I wanted her story to be, like, front-loaded. I think we spent too much time, like, her jumping and trying to figure out, like, what's going on. Yes, yes. And that was the part that really felt so long to me. Where it's like, you— We should be able to put this together a little bit faster. I do want to say shout-out Florence Pugh. I loved her in this. I think we spent too much time in, like, her office as a bathhouse. Her hot tub. Yeah. Yeah, that took a bit too long. But overall, I— She just really is a good actor. Yeah, Sadie Sink? No, I was talking about Florence Pugh. Florence Pugh, both of them. Sadie Sink, yeah. I love Florence Pugh, too. But I just love Florence Pugh. Yeah. Did you read that— Sorry to cut you off. No, no, say it again. Did you— I have been seeing on TikTok people suspicious that Zendaya and Florence Pugh don't get along. Oh, well, I saw some, like, kind of bullshit TikTok edit about, like, Zendaya watching Florence Pugh give Tom Holland a hug on the red carpet. I was like, let that go. Yeah, I don't think it's that. I think maybe they just— They seem like very different performers to me. And also very different personalities. Yeah. So I can see—I don't know what sign Florence Pugh is, but I do know that Zendaya is a Virgo. Yeah. And they are—what do we call them? Strict. So you never know. Yeah. Virgos aren't just, like, going to get along with everyone. They're, like, more particular about who they, like, live in. Yeah. So, exclusive. I don't know. Anyway. But I'm not speculating on that, I guess. Yeah. I just—I was like, okay, just because you fronted someone once, it means you don't like them? Now, come on. I just saw in my head a supercut of— Everyone Hunter is from. And I'm like, well, maybe, actually. Okay. Some cases. What did you think of Sadie? Well, I just—I'm—I find myself just really excited by her career. I feel like I'm really—out of all the Stranger Kids, her and the black—again, I didn't watch it, but her and the, like, black boy that's in it, I think they're so charming. And I'm excited to see, like, how their careers grow. I think she's someone that I think—I hated The Whale, obviously, but— Oh, didn't see it. Oh, good. Yeah. Thank you for taking care of yourself. Someone had to. But I think she's a really talented actress who I think is really, like, hungry and ready to, like, grow and work harder. But—and I think she was well-cast as Jean Grey. I feel like I saw, like, the full lineup announcement of the new X-Men, and I actually think it's pretty well-cast. Yes. So I did learn that Jean Grey is someone from X-Men. So I didn't know that. So that was a big reveal to me after I left the movie. You're like, why? I'm just saying her random-ass government name. Yeah, I was like, okay. Everyone's like, she's Jean Grey. I was like, uh, Meredith Grey's mom? What does that mean? Wait, was Jean Grey not, like, formative for you? Wait, did you like X-Men? Was that, like, a big— No, I didn't like X-Men. I loved X-Men. I wasn't into it. I didn't understand it. What do you mean? What do you mean Blayett's come out of his hands— And it hurts every time. And they go back in, and I—logistically, that feels tricky. They tortured him. He wasn't—they put that into his body. And there's this part— They put the blades into his body. They put the—yeah. Why? Because they were, like, testing on him. It's in, like, the Wolverine movie. Was he a mutant? Is he a mutant to begin with? I don't think so. I think they, like, turned him mutant or something like that. Like, I think he was made to be a weapon at first. You can fact check me if you want. No, I'm kidding. Just tell me. I don't know. I could be wrong. But there is a formative scene. Mm-hmm. Because Jean Grey, girl, as you can tell, she losing it. Who is Jean Grey in the original? She's just Jean Grey. No, no, no. I mean, but, like, who played her in the original? Oh, I don't—an actress. I don't know her name. Okay. But at one point, Sophie Turner played her. No. Anna Paquin played the girl that can't touch anybody. Yikes! Sounds like me. No, keep that away from me. But there's this scene where Jean Grey is just simply about to, like, kill everybody. Happens a lot. And the only, like, way for—she tries to be good, and the only way for her reign of terror to end is for Wolverine to kill her. And Wolverine was in love with her. And right before he kills her, he's, like, the only one. He's, like, she's doing that little storm thing. He's walking through his blades. And then he goes, I love you. And then kills her. And it's, like, I— Yeah, changed my brain chemistry. It was— You know, that's not what I thought you were going to say. I thought you were going to talk about Mystique. That one scene when Rebecca Romijn, when her skin, you know, blew. No, but I love me— I love me some Mystique. And that's when things got gay. I was going to say. I was like, am I typecasting her? Am I stereotyping her? No. No, I know you. And I feel like low-key, your type would be the guy that, like, the Ray—you know, the guy that— I don't know any of these people. I don't go to Madame Morrible Professor X University. I don't do that. Not Madame Morrible. Is it boarding school? I don't get it. It is. I want to say, Zendaya, this is maybe the best work I've seen from her. Yeah, yeah. I really loved the scene of the two of them on the rooftop when it's revealed that she's actually Jean Grey, like, jumping into her body. I thought that was, like, really well done. That was nasty of Jean, too. She got me. I was like, how does that make any sense? But I'm so happy that she remembered. And then I said— I was like, this is a bit too fantastical. I'm suspicious. Jean said, you dumb bitch. You need one kiss. Go and breathe. What the hell is this? Ever after? She said, what kind of spell do you think that was? Now, come on. Oh, she kind of ate that. Sorry. All right. Marry, fuck, kill the three Spider-Mans. Okay, we've got Tom Holland. We've got Andrew Garfield. We have Tobey Maguire. This is difficult for me. I'm not proud of the woman I am. That's okay. You're safe here. I would marry Andrew Garfield. I love me some Andrew Garfield. What can I say? Yeah. I would fuck Tobey Maguire. Once. For the story. Yeah, you know, you're the exact right person to have this confession to. Do you know what it feels like to be the call that everyone's like, I shouldn't do it, but— It's actually starting to weigh on me. I just want to know what it's like. What can I say? And I also want to talk to him about Molly's game. That would be— Oh. That would make really perfect pillow talk. That, you know— Post-sex cigarette. All right. Tell me about Molly's game. What was it like? Oh, my God. Michael, Sarah playing you. Were you offended? Wait, was it Tobey Maguire? McGuire that was like really recently sharing a vape with iSpice. Was that him? Yeah. That's so random. Yeah. Could have been you. No. No. No. And then I could say, yeah, I'd have to kill Tom Holland. And that's fine, because he's not my man. And I know Zendaya is strict. He's not my man. Yes. Said with love, he's not for me. Z swagger's been like, you better make the right choice. And now they can rest easy. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. I'm with you on that. Okay, for you, fuck, marry, kill, Zendaya, Emma Stone, and Kirsten Dunst. Now, this is hard. Yeah. This is actually a hard one. I'd kill myself. I can't make this choice. I think I know what you're going to say. I'll let you guess. Okay. Okay, I'll let you guess. Go for it. I think you're going to marry Kirsten Dunst, fuck Zendaya, and kill Emma Stone. No. Wow, really? No. Here's the thing. You don't fuck a woman like Zendaya. You marry her? You take her home to mother. And you know her and Alicia Woodkey. They both know the way. I know. I know. They would really get along. So I think I would marry Zendaya. Okay. This is so hard. No woman should die. I will fuck Kirsten Dunst, of course. Obviously. Obviously. Okay. Obviously. Like, that's going to do a lot for my childhood. It's going to heal some things for me. We're going to smoke a cigarette after. It's going to be amazing. In bed, windows shut. Um, yeah. Is that not normal? You would open a window, maybe, if you're smoking a cigarette. Oh, yeah. Okay. Not a smoker. Not in your house. I was like, oh, you crazy. And then I would have to, like, that one meme, it's like, I would have to kill Emma Stone like this. But I honestly, I thought about marrying her because she would really make me laugh. And get a bucket, get a bucket full of sunshine. Yeah. I loved her and Andrew Garfield together, too. Oh, my God. They did that one pap walk and they held up the thing. They're like, enough photos have been taken of us. Don't need to these charities. Oh, my God. They were woke with it. I love woke people in that era. So, yeah. I have to say, shout out to the only man not in the movie, but on the press tour, La Roche. La Roche. Him saying Timon and Pumbaa, but not saying Timon and Pumbaa on Z-Way's show. I, oh, I didn't watch the whole thing. I just watched the clips. I haven't watched it yet. It was so funny to me. Him being like, I'm wearing, um, tigers because of your culture. Wait, I only saw when he, he was like, oh, yeah, you can touch my hair, and then touched her hair, and was like, yeah, it feels different. And I was like, you are nasty. You are nasty. I wish you could hear the way he said, Timon and Pumbaa, and it's like, he said, Hakuna Matata, or no, he said, Hatuna Makata, and it's like, what? Z-Way's like, she's in a Disney movie. Oh, my God. He's taking it. He's taking it. Let me say this. Let me say this. you