452: Great Wolf Lodge, Nolan Wells, Erie Family Massacre & Anna Kepner Updates

Hey true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialist's Sleep. Hello hello hello and welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialist's sleep with me your host Annie Elise. Happy Thursday I hope you are having a fantastic week so far that you're getting through we're almost at the weekend so whether you're listening at home at work with your work bestie maybe you're out running wherever you're at hope you're having a good week and you're gearing up for the weekend there has been of course no shortage in stuff going on this week and lots of stuff to go through lots of cases to talk about a few that you have been damning me about and I've kind of just been sitting on waiting for more information but more information has finally come in and so here to talk with you about those cases today also just as a little PSA released a deep dive on Monday and Tuesday of this week so if you feel like you're in need of more content to binge you can hop on over to my second true crime podcast feed 10 to life or just scroll down a little in the feed on this one and you will see the Monday episode but we've got a lot to get into today we have updates in the Nolan Wells case some group text messages that have now emerged David was back in court this week d4vd so more updates there we also are going to talk about the horrific double murder at Great Wolf Lodge the eerie family massacre and a Keppner updates there's just a lot to go over but I'm not going to do it alone so straight out of page six and who wore it better welcome to the podcast Amy Colette hello hello I should say dare I say your skin looks amazing this is the first time I've actually really lurked at it up close thanks it's a little swollen still that is it yeah but it won't take my show into movies last night with Taren and she just had it done and when she came out of the car I'm like that's what I look like two weeks ago wait you don't look swollen it's a little song but I know that's not it did you just don't look so you will your jawline look like snatched but your skin looks really good it looks very glassy well thank you you look cute today I want to say why you wearing my lurk why yeah who stole my look what you were going to be wearing luciz and you threw me a curve ball I threw myself a curve ball because I went looking for my luciz and I couldn't find them this morning so I did a quick second best and found these little slip and slides and put them on I almost wore my hoop earrings too so I'm glad there's a little difference you're my thing you can't that's what's the quote for mean girl I just thought I did she tell you I can't wear hoop earrings they said they're her thing well you know what I'm not really that surprised that we're matching because when you have merch that looks this good everybody wants to know but as I all say I hope you're having a nice day because I'm about to ruin it and Amy and I are saying that as well today this was a popular request people wanted this I know they really wanted it and it's one of our best sellers right now almost sold out grab it while you can Annie Elise calm you can see it here it's like QVC you can see here in the black and over here in the ivory no I know I love this design it makes me so happy well speaking of ruining days we're about to yeah should we get into it let's get into it we're gonna start with the worst person in this lower western hemisphere did I say that right good that's in our neck of the woods backyard stone throw away all the different things we could say we're gonna talk about D4 the D the predator that everybody hates the sicko loser what's a sicka fan I feel like I want to say that but I don't think that's the right word doesn't that mean a slut I have no idea I've never heard that word you've never heard the word sick a fan I've never in my life heard that am I are you really no is that weird guys I really like that word but I don't think it means what I think it means which big surprise I use word words your mixed pronouncing it no it is sick a fan home sorry guys we're getting derailed for a second let me let me just search this I don't even know how you would spell it let me do voice to text sick a fan it's just such a good word oh wow that's definitely not how it's gonna spell it okay why is my internet so slow come on Google I need the definition what were you thinking it might be I thought it meant like just loser troll scumbag but I think it means something slutty sick a fan or sick a font sick a fan okay I was way off a person who praises flatters or acts overly obedient toward wealthy powerful or influential people to gain an advantage or favor like a thirsty person he has well he is that okay no I I don't know why I love the okay what's an example of a sick a fan I know a lot of those kind of people were doing an English lesson today okay an example of a sick a fan is the yes man employee an office worker who constantly praises the CEOs poor ideas laugh loudly a mediocre jokes and always agrees with man sounds like me I would just say yes just is the like office bubbly person is she sick a fan um teachers pet and the kiss up kick down colleagues someone who acts charming submissive and deeply complimentary to senior executives while treating administrative staff interns or subordinates with arrogance and contempt well that's not just that's not David that's not David well maybe I don't know he was just sick well but he played the public for a fool for a fiddle I was what's with today's like can we not be his thesaurus um or like you fit cliches yeah but he did kind of play the public and like act like he's this tortured artist poet loser when really he was something else and it's I think because he was after the money obviously so anyway sorry guys that was a very long English lesson but we do have an update in the David case because on monday october 19th David was back in court for a status hearing and a lot of people were expecting something pretty big to happen at this hearing some thought that we would finally maybe get an official trial date others were speculating that maybe David might actually take a plea deal especially now that he is represented by a public defender however neither one of those things happened the entire hearing lasted less than five minutes and honestly I'll get to this in a minute the most interesting part about the hearing was I think what happened before the hearing began and with a totally different defendant so not much really happened at all in his hearing both sides agreed to aim for a trial in february of 2027 possibly moving into march not waiting you know not waving his right to a speedy trial however an official start date has not been set but another status hearing was scheduled for january 11th now the one thing I will say that people did notice about this hearing was David's appearance and his overall demeanor because he reportedly looked very indifferent than how he had looked in his past hearings in other hearings even the prelim a couple of months ago he seemed kind of happy he was smiling he was joking with his attorneys and really just seemed like he didn't even have a single care in the world however this time people who were in the courtroom said he was the complete opposite his face was clean shave in he wasn't wearing his glasses his hair had gotten longer some people said he even looked like he had some gray hair in there now but he was sitting kind of like hunched over slouched down a little bit in his chair and his facial expressions reportedly looked depressed sad and almost hopeless which I love that for him I was just going to say when you have that much evidence piling up against you yeah things that mean a lot to me this him looking hopeless we like this so he barely spoke during the hearing other than responding to the judge with a very quiet yes your honor like a little mouse so maybe like that analogy I do too like you're loser you're a rat like yeah you know so I don't know hopefully reality is starting to set in although I would argue if reality truly is starting to set in maybe there will be a plea deal on the horizon because maybe his ego is now starting to subside a little bit and he doesn't think he's going to get away with this at trial so he's gonna cop to a plea we'll see but as of right now January 11th is the next date to watch and technically the trial should start within 90 days of the final status hearing because a person's right to a speedy trial and we know he didn't wait that right however as we all know court dates get pushed back all the time so while February March is the goal for the trial right now we will see if that actually happens but like I said one of the more interesting parts about all of this while I was like on pins and needles waiting for the update is apparently while his hearing was waiting to begin there was another defendant and I don't know all of the details so please don't scream in your tear air pods right now I need to research it but there was another person who was facing the judge who I guess like had killed four people in four hours or some sort of killing right there's sort of four and four situation so people were like captivated by that because it appeared that there could be a potential serial killer in LA something like that so maybe I'll research more of that too but anyways you know you know what I like the most what hopeless dates And it reminded me of something like hopeless mousy David where what's the movie where they go there's hope for Harry Hope hope for Harry. Um, is it what's Kate Hudson's mom's name Goldie Han? Hope for Harry. Yes Banger sisters. Yes. Oh my gosh. That's such a classic hopeless David. Hope hope hopeless David love that for him now into the next update We have kind of a strange update in the case of Nolan Wells And this is one where I saw a lot of stuff coming out last week. Wasn't quite sure what I was going to report on But a lot of you have been asking me when I put my question box up on Instagram of what cases do you want me to cover? It's Nolan Wells Nolan Wells Nolan Wells. We've done a deep dive into the case. Maybe a freshy is due But let me give you this update. So last week a nearly 300 page for forensic report was released and in it There are text messages between Nolan's friends from the days after he disappeared back in July And for those of you who are unfamiliar with the Nolan Wells case first I will link it in the show notes But on the 4th of July this last summer Nolan went missing from the boat. He was at a boat party with his friends in Horn Island. They all left. He apparently, according to his friends, it stayed back and hung out with a girl that he met But then he never returned. His phone was still on the boat with his friends. They then found him the following day deceased in the water And there's been a lot of speculation from day one that there was some sort of foul play involved in this that either his friends were involved That there was some sort of horrible accident that took place and then a cover up after the fact And so pretty much from day one people have just been Saying that there's something shady. There's a cover up especially because when a second autopsy was Ordered by his family and independent one when they received Nolan's remains There were certain organs that were no longer a part of his body which I've also heard is kind of standard when a medical examiner is doing an autopsy to remove certain things again Lots of information. I'm just trying to give you the cliff note version so you know what I'm talking about now with the update So as I said the text messages have been released and the report was put together By a company that was hired by Nolan's family and it includes messages from 29 snapchat group chats as well as private messages pulled from his phone Now most of the usernames are redacted but some of those conversations Are pretty interesting and a lot of people say You know does point to foul play so on July 5th the day after Nolan disappeared And just as the search was getting started for him one person wrote quote and remember this before they found his body Nolan where the fuck are you dog coast guards are on the search for you man Someone else claimed that Nolan had gotten off the boat with another guy and started walking toward the boat Which apparently then raised some questions in the group one person replied there is deaf some sus shit going on Which for all my boomers like me and I know you're like dying as I try to like say this It means there is definitely some suspicious shit going on another pointed out that thousands of people had been on the island Yet nobody seemed to know who Nolan was last with so it seemed like some of them were still hoping that maybe he had just Over consumed and he was passed out somewhere and that everybody would hear from him and it would be okay But one person suggested that he may have been drugged and as the case started getting national attention One other person wrote quote all I keep seeing is white folk made at home and the one black kid didn't Another person then said in a never been like that with us bro Now what a lot of people are finding particularly interesting was that the following morning on July 6th The group started talking about what they should do if the police wanted to question them One person said that everyone should ask her an attorney saying that it didn't mean that they were guilty But that they needed to quote protect themselves from potentially biased officers And they told the group not to speculate and to stick to the facts another person replied we have nothing to hide And look I think a lot of people are seeing these text messages and Creating I don't want to say creating a narrative Well, I guess it is that creating a narrative that these text messages allude to them Trying to build a cover story or trying to act as though they are a concerned friend when really they already knew what happened Then that they're covering their own asses by saying you need to get a lawyer which For the record if you are ever questioned or are arrested Guilty or not get a lawyer protect yourself immediately that is the number one thing And I know a lot of the time people think it makes people guilty if they lawyer up I myself have been in that camp at certain times But it really is the best option to protect yourself So now as we're going through all of this a Mississippi grand jury found that there was no criminal wrong doing in Nolan's death That was last month and according to some legal analyst nothing in these newly released messages would necessarily change that conclusion However, Nolan's family who has had questions from day one they still have questions Especially wondering why he would have stayed behind on that island by himself His father had said back in July that he didn't believe that Nolan would have done that saying quote it just doesn't That's not his character. So I don't know these text messages to me They aren't that suspicious to me. I think that people in that one where they said Where is it? I want to quote it exactly where it said oh where all I keep saying is white folk made at home in the one black kid Didn't and the person replying saying in a ever been like that with us bro I feel like he's saying like you know It's never been a thing of race with us. We're all friends. It wouldn't have been like that So I and I know a lot of people may disagree with me. I personally with these text messages Don't see anything that makes me believe that foul play was involved That being said There also were a lot of Snapchat messages that were deleted some have said Well, I should say experts have said they weren't unable to determine if they had been manually deleted from Nolan's phone Or if they were recalled if they weren't the disappearing messages It's hard to say it's just that the fact that they're gone that to me Is almost more compelling that something is a foot here if messages were in fact manually wiped from his phone But the context of these messages It doesn't really indicate to me that there's some sort of cover story and play and I read all the messages And like I'm just paraphrasing a few here for you guys or not even paraphrasing quoting a few for you But what I will paraphrase is there were a lot more where they did say things like Nolan where are you were worried about you Hey guys if you heard from Nolan and that's what people are suggesting Indicates that they were trying to build this alibi and this cover story as though they already knew but they were like covering their tracks I don't think that is the case but I could be wrong I mean from the few text messages you shared it sounded pretty typical of Hey man, where are you the coast guards are looking for you like that seems like something a friend would send yeah, but I mean, it's just sad is it I've never had snapchat but isn't the whole purpose of snapchat that the messages Like are only there only visible ones or they'd disappear after a certain amount of time or something like that Yeah, and I don't know if there have been updates over the years But when I first had snapchat when I was 22 years old, which was there do the math 17 years ago caught Oh my god That was it where they would just disappear and basically snapchat was known as like the app that you would send Nudes on because yeah, that's what I thought and it would disappear now I believe it has evolved where snapchat is teen and young adults primary Form of messaging. Oh, and and experience for anybody who has a Gen Z kid. Please let me know in the comments But where I don't know if they have new features now. We're not everything disappears But I know like for example right now if I was on snap I just like snap with no context and post it or like they aren't Posting with capture and like it's just a like a tool to communicate isn't that part of like the Cornell seven They have the snapchat. So those obviously were recovered records. So like I guess why aren't these recovered? Yeah, I think I don't know I would imagine said I need to dig into snapchat a little bit more. I don't know I feel very gentle. I was just about my space because then I could definitely speak to that I could too and I could tell you how to code a web page with the characters and with the music on my space Like nobody's business like HTML coding That's what we had to do back in the day and I didn't kids have it easy. They have it easy. Do they? I don't know Well, we have another update in another case And this one is on the Anna Kepner case and if you remember this Poor girl 18 years old went on a carnival cruise with her family and was killed while on board She was found by a staff member from the ship She was underneath a mattress covered in lifefests and her stepbrother was arrested And now we're going to probably going to be waiting a little bit longer for her stepbrother Timothy Hudson to go to trial So back on August 24th, Timothy's attorneys filed a motion asking for more time to prepare for what's called a Miller hearing Which is basically a hearing for the court to decide if adult sentencing is appropriate for a juvenile defendant Even if they are being tried in adult court. So Timothy's trial had already been delayed once But this motion then pushed it back again and after it did the trial was postponed to start on November 2nd Well fast forward to Thursday of last week his attorneys filed another motion asking to push the trial back to January of 2027 According to the filing there was one outstanding issue that they needed to work through before Timothy could make a final decision about whether or not to plead guilty Or go to trial but here's the thing they didn't say what that issue actually was or why they couldn't get it figured out before the trial date That was already set but apparently prosecutors were fine with giving them more time because they didn't really oppose the request So I'm wondering does that mean Timothy is concerned considering some sort of a plea deal or maybe the issue is they just haven't been offered anything to take, who knows? But if you remember, there was also some family drama a few months ago with some of the family members not cooperating with the investigation. So I'm wondering is that still something they're trying to figure out? Again, we have no idea. That motion that was filed doesn't give us much to go on other than the fact is that there is something that they are still trying to figure out. Either way, the judge did grant them this request and Timothy's trial is now scheduled to start on January 25th, 2027. He also has until January 15th to enter a guilty plea. So we'll wait and see what happens with that. - I would be surprised if this went to trial. I'm hoping that it does because I think more information will come out obviously so much of it as an under seal right now because of the minors involved. But I would be shocked if it goes to trial. I think he will accept some sort of plea deal just because there is so much evidence against him. And that's kind of what I was thinking too, is I'm thinking there's all this evidence against him. And if I remember correctly, he was sent to live with other family members because he was considered a threat. - Yeah. - And so there's again to your point more that I'm assuming is gonna come out, which would be a reason for him to probably take a plea. - I think to the family, even the family that is still siding with him, they're advising him, I would imagine. And I would think that maybe they'd be like, you know, Timothy, there's so much evidence. You can, like, don't put our family through a trial. But let's not go through this. You need to own up to what you did. Let's get, like if they offer a plea deal, let's take it and maybe something like that. But I don't know, I could be wrong. Look at freaking Aiden Fucci. And I know I always reference that case, but like his mom not only helped cover up for him, but he also went to trial and pretended to be crazy on all of the jail calls. - Well, and his family split. So who knows who's telling him what, I know. So we will keep you guys posted. - All right, so this next case, it started going around earlier this week and it's absolutely insane. You may have seen the footage pop up on your Instagram or maybe even your TikTok. It looked like it was from, it looks like CCTV footage, but it probably is from like not a rain cam, but some sort of neighborhood camera. A lot of you have sent it to me. I saw it as well when I first saw it. I sent it in our Slack, our group Slack. And I was like, what the hell is this? Like this is so crazy. But on Friday, October 16th, a woman named Bella Torres was home with her one-year-old daughter while her husband was out grocery shopping. And then she said, out of nowhere, a complete stranger opened her front door and just walked right into her house. And the footage that you may have seen was her fighting this guy off in the driveway and then the husband pulling up. But it has gotten so many people talking. So let me elaborate a little bit on the incident itself. According to Bella, the man asked if he could use her bathroom. But before he could even finish asking, he charged her and he grabbed her by the neck. She said that he wrestled her to the ground, kicked her one-year-old and demanded that she take her clothes off. Now somehow Bella managed to get back to the front door, which was still open, by the way, and she started screaming for help as loudly as she could. Thankfully, one of her neighbors heard and they called the police, but it didn't stop there. Because Bella continued fighting this man all the way out through the front door onto the driveway. And what's crazy about this is you see them fighting in the middle of the driveway, in broad daylight. And that's when he allegedly told her that he was on drugs and that her quote, "boyfriend" had sent him there. He claimed that he had met who he thought was her boyfriend on Reddit and that the boyfriend told him that Bella would actually be in to what he was doing. Which, here's the clip of that. And for anybody who's listening to the audio only, you probably do wanna hop over to YouTube after this and watch the actual video. But I'm gonna play that clip for you now. - What the (beep) is wrong with you? - It's not a drug. - It's like this, isn't it? - Yeah, right. - It's only the same as this, you're right. - Right, right. Now what's his name? - So Mary. - Now what's his name? - I don't know, he's in my picture. - What's his name? (beep) - Now as she was fighting this guy off in her driveway, Bella's husband pulls up in his truck, saw what was happening, immediately gets out of his car and then starts chasing the guy down the street. However, the man managed to get into a car that was parked down the block and then drove away. Bella ended up sharing what happened on social media and according to court records, one of the suspects own relatives then contacted the police. So investigators were able to identify the man as 20-year-old Adrienne Ayala. He was arrested within 24 hours. However, here's where this story takes an entirely different turn because Adrienne's attorney is now claiming that this entire thing was just a giant misunderstanding. According to him, Adrienne went to Bella's house because her husband had allegedly posted something on Reddit about her being interested in a sexual role-playing scenario which this is not uncommon, okay? It's something that really does exist where women have this sexual fantasy of being assaulted in their home and trying to fight somebody off and being subdued and it's basically they'll say, here's the safe word or they will say, no matter how much I resist or say stop, don't stop unless I say the safe word and it is something that exists. However, conversely, it is also something that exists as a way of targeting your partner, your enemy, your spouse, whatever it is because what case was it? Was it, I wanna say the Michelle Hadley case but I couldn't be wrong, was it that? Where people, spouses or just ex-friends, enemies are posting these fake solicitation ads for this saying, this is my wife like people are alleging here or this is me come attack me and it's obviously not that person at all. So when that person, when the perpetrator goes and attacks them, even though the person being attacked is yelling stop fighting and screaming, they think it's all part of the role play and obviously the victim doesn't know the safe word because they are not the one who posted about wanting this. It is so dangerous, so scary and like a huge freaking nightmare. So now his attorney is saying, oh no, her husband actually posted this and that's why Adrienne went along with it. His attorney said, quote, he understood from the victim's boyfriend that this is something that they did and that the victim was consenting to it. However, the judge said, I don't care if her husband said that he could go in there and do that, that is not a defense, that is problematic. So he ruled that there was probable cause from multiple felony charges, including suspicion of sexual assault and aggravated assault. And obviously there are still some pretty major questions here and it is kind of a he said, she said situation as of right now at least because Bella says that Adrienne was a complete stranger to both her and her husband, but because Adrienne claimed that her husband sent him, the investigators ended up actually seizing the husband's cell phone. Probably of course to see if there were any real reddit posts, any sort of exchange of information, comment threads or anything that would corroborate Adrienne's story. Police are also pursuing search warrants for Adrienne's vehicle, home, DNA and other evidence as they're trying to piece together exactly what happened and whether there's any truth to what he's claiming. As of now, Adrienne has been released on a $25,000 bond and Bella says that she is taking steps to keep her family safe. However, I'm very interested to see where this investigation goes because there is a huge difference in these two version of events. And regardless of what anyone may or may not have posted online, Bella herself says that she never consented to anything. So I'm gonna keep following this closely. Obviously the proof is going to come out in the digital evidence one way or another, whether the husband helped or not. But I will say this too, when I went to the comments section of a few different reposts of this CCTV footage. A lot of people said it looked like when the husband pulled up, he was pulling up really slowly, not super urgently, that even when he chased Adrienne down the street, he was kind of going at a slow pace. Now, I don't know that that indicates guilt one way or another. I think maybe he was pulling up to like, who's she talking to it? Like from in my situation, be like, is she fighting with the door dash delivery guy or like, maybe he was trying to just reconcile what was going on. But people at this point believe maybe the husband was involved in something here. However, first of all, any husband that would do that period is a sick asmonster, especially when your one-year-old child is in the home. But again, we don't know that he, this could all be a lie made up from Adrienne as a cover story. So I'm gonna dig into this deeper. There will be an update soon, but like, I was gonna say I'm very curious. I know, not, I know I'm getting into the weeds here, but like what time of day was it that the husband was coming home? Like, did he always come home all the time? Because that feels very coincidental that in the short minute or two that this is all going down, you're pulling, I mean, thank God. Well, and did Adrienne, if he was parked a block away or down the block, I should say, did he have the address? Was it a random home? Why did he park far away and walk down multiple houses unless he was checking other houses to see who was unlocked and maybe footage will come out. - Yeah, you're right. - At the time of this recording, there's not a lot of information. Maybe there will be at the time this episode releases as of right now though, there's not. But I definitely will keep you updated. - Yeah, I'm interested to hear more about that. - Yeah. All right, we have a quick update before we get into our next story. Last week, we talked about David Pervat and how he was on trial for the murder of his niece back in 2017. Well, that trial has officially ended. in a mistrial due to jury misconduct. About two days into deliberations, it came out that at least seven jurors were discussing things about the case and about David that weren't presented at trial, including claims about his criminal history and whether or not he was racist. The judge determined that all seven of those jurors needed to be removed and there were not enough alternatives to replace all of them, which then led to the mistrial decision. So as of now, that's the end of this case and there'll obviously be more in the future when they reschedule. But I know I kind of think maybe we do need to do a deep dive into this because it's been a wild this whole thing. Well, I was going to say this has gone on for so long and then now this. I know. And seven jurors, I feel like we're the rules not clear because that's a lot of people to be breaking the rules. Yeah, it will be retry it now, especially because that one charge had ended up being dropped. Remember like what's going to happen. Yeah. Well, I hope that that little girl gets justice regardless. Yeah. Well, just when we thought we were done with these cases, which we were hoping we were unfortunately, we were not because we have another family annihilator case that happened in Pennsylvania just a couple weeks ago and this time eight people were killed. So on Friday, October 9th, police in Erie, Pennsylvania responded to a home on Perry Street just before 5 p.m. After witnesses reported seeing a man firing a gun, then going inside a house. When officers arrived, they found two women dead in the street. There was no gunfire, no screaming, no movement coming from inside. The police chief later described it as an Erie silence. Swat was eventually called in and shortly after seven p.m. officers went into the home where they found six more victims, including two children along with the suspected gunman who appeared to have also taken his own life. Now a few days later on Monday, October 12th, the coroner released the names of six of the eight victims. They were 44-year-old Michelle Stone, her 24-year-old daughter Angelina, who was actually due to give birth any day. Michelle's two sons, 19-year-old Jonathan and 21-year-old Matthew, 37-year-old Laura Roberts, and 51-year-old Twilight Tanner. The two youngest victims were a five-year-old boy and a one-year-old girl whose names were not officially released. However, at a memorial for the family, a man named Julius identified the little girl as his daughter, Amariana, and said that Angelina was the mother of both children. So sad. And the man accused of killing all eight of them was identified as Matthew Stone Sr. Michelle's husband and the father of Angelina Jonathan and Matthew and the grandfather of the two little ones. And when I read that, my heart just broke because I mean, obviously killing your wife is horrible, your children, but when I read grandchildren, that just like hits differently because I just feel like grandparents and grandchildren is such a sacred, innocent relationship. They say the grandparents love their grandkids more than they even love their own children. Mom's even actually said that to me at one point, like no offense that she loves the one. I mean, more than she loves me. And like there is to your point of sacred, it's just a different kind of love. I mean, they're like the exception to all the rules. Yeah. It's so special. So that was just heartbreaking to learn. Now as investigators started digging into the family's history, they learned that Matthew had allegedly been extremely controlling for years. According to relatives, he controlled the family's finances, controlled when they could and couldn't leave the house, and had a history of domestic violence. In fact, back in 2019, Matthew was charged in a domestic violence incident involving Michelle, but those charges were ultimately dropped after she had changed her statement. And get this, police said that the gun involved in that incident was also the exact same handgun that he used to kill his entire family now seven years later. Wow. I know. Relatives also raised concerns about Matthew's mental health and possible drug use, although investigators were not able to confirm a diagnosis or determine whether drugs had played a role in all of this. But when detectives searched the home, they described it as extremely filthy, with plumbing that didn't appear to work and bottles filled with urine throughout the house. And then investigators learned that Angelina who again was nine months pregnant had actually reportedly been planning to move out after giving birth. She had sent text messages saying that her father was kicking her and her brothers out and that he had been physically abusive towards her brothers. And when detectives searched her bedroom, they found that almost all of her things had already been packed into bags and boxes. So now, given all of that, with all of that in mind, let's talk about what the investigators were able to piece together about this actual shooting itself. So it approximately 439 pm, Angelina called her aunt Laura Roberts through Facebook Messenger. They talked for about two minutes. And when they hung up, Laura said that she was on her way. And within 10 minutes, Laura and Twilight Tanner arrived at the house. Investigators later found audio and video evidence that showed the moments leading up to everything. And they said that in that footage, they could hear muffled gunshots coming from inside the house shortly before the two women got there and started pounding on the front door. Matthew Sr. then allegedly came outside and shot both women as they ran toward him before going back inside. Just three minutes after the women arrived, the city's shot spotter system detected the gunfire. And by the time the officers had responded, police believed that everyone was already dead inside. Now, even with everything that the investigators uncovered, they still don't know exactly what happened inside that house between Angelina's phone call and the shooting or what possibly had caused Matthew to kill his whole family. Was it mental illness? Was it drugs? Was there some sort of family conflict? Was this planned out? And while Angelina had been making plans to leave, police haven't yet established that that is is the reason or could have been the reason that had anything to do with what happened. But the fact that she was getting ready to welcome yet another child and had her things packed was seemingly trying to make a change for herself. It's just so sad that this all happened right then. I'm sure more information would come out, but my mind automatically goes to if her bags were packed and she was picking her up. There was some sort of altercation. She called her aunt. They rushed over and she brought back up with her like another family member with her, but that they were already walking in to some sort of confrontation. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe he wanted the brothers out, but he didn't want her to leave. I don't know. And yeah, maybe mental illness. Was it play because that is so many people to kill and choose to kill. I don't know. It is your grandchildren. Again, like was it like was that part of the plan or were they just unfortunately they're at the wrong time? But obviously devastating something that I had never heard of was the shot spotter system, which I mean, it sounds like it's not in all areas, but that seems helpful for law enforcement. I mean, I had no idea what that even was. I had to look it up. I wonder how many false reads they ever get from like fireworks or fireworks or if there's like a certain radius, you can't be within like a theme park or something like that because it would set it off. I don't know. I don't know enough about it. Yeah. I feel like we should reach out to Derek about this case because I know he instead. I think it was him and Stephanie. Yeah. They just did a deep dive on crimeically into it. And I'm sure I would be curious to hear his perspective. Yeah. Okay. Well, this next case is also coming out of Pennsylvania. It's one. All of you have been tagging me in and DMing me about and it's a family who had been staying at a great wolf lodge resort in the poke nose for several weeks. But on Monday, October 12th, police were called to one of the rooms after a woman had called 911 saying that she was trying to take her own life. That woman was 27 year old Metallica Rose Harrison. And on that 911 call, she told the dispatcher that she was quote, too weak to stab her own neck saying she needed police help. She reportedly said that she had knives, but that they weren't working and that she needed someone to help her die. But when the dispatcher asked Metallica if she was alone, she then said something that changed the situation completely. She allegedly said, quote, my husband and son are already gone in the bed. They're already gone. I'm sorry. And at no point during that call that she asked for help for either of them, not for her husband or her son, only to help aid in her taking her own life. When officers arrived, they found Metallica's husband Charles and their three year old son dead on the mattresses inside the room. Charles had suffered multiple stab wounds to his chest while their son was stabbed once in the chest. Metallica had cuts on her left wrist and superficial puncture wounds around her neck. And she allegedly told officers that she quote, wanted to be with her husband and son. She was immediately taken to a nearby hospital for treatment. And according to the criminal complaint, she made some pretty disturbing statements during the ambulance ride to the hospital. She reportedly told the paramedics that she had taken medication to thin her blood. And she was frustrated that her blood was clotting when it wasn't supposed to, which if your blood is thin, it's easier to bleed out. It's not going to, you know, obviously like I just said, clot itself and protect itself. And she also allegedly said, every day I work so hard to be the best person, the best mother, the best wife, it wasn't supposed to end like this. I was supposed to have my happy family. That's what I envisioned since I was a child. However, when a detective later tried to question her at the hospital, she wasn't interested in talking at all. After being read her Miranda writes, Metallica allegedly told the detective that she was quote, suicidal, not stupid and refused to answer any questions, being like, yeah, I may want to take my own life, but I'm not stupid. Obviously, I'm not going to cooperate. I'm not going to answer any of your questions. Metallica was ultimately charged with two counts of criminal homicide and she was denied bail. Now, as investigators started looking into what happened inside that hotel. room. They recovered two knives from the bathroom, including a large butcher knife and a smaller knife, both with teal handles. Employees at Great Wolf Lodge confirmed that neither of the knives belonged to the resort, meaning she must have brought these from like a block set at home or something like that or stole, had stolen them from somewhere else along the way. And something else that the investigators had learned was that the family hadn't just been at Great Wolf Lodge for a weekend to get away, they had actually checked in back on September 21st. They had been staying there for almost three weeks and they were extending their stay all along the way. In fact, they weren't even supposed to check out until October 13th, which was the day after Charles and their son were found dead. And they were reportedly paying around $300 per night for this room, so they were spending quite a bit of money for an extended period of time. And obviously the police wanted to know what was going on that led this family to spend nearly three weeks, spending that kind of money to basically now be living at this resort. So they started looking into the family's finances. And on Wednesday, October 14th, investigators searched their home where they recovered four journals, a laptop, financial records, and ten more teal knives similar to the ones that were found at Great Wolf Lodge. So again, assuming it comes in like a block set of 12, you know, the wooden block you have on your kitchen counter and she took those with her all the way back in September, which means clearly there was a plan in motion from the start. They also started talking with relatives and some of the things that the relatives had to say about Metallica were pretty concerning. Charles's mother and sister reportedly described Metallica as "dominant and controlling," claiming that she had isolated Charles and their son from his family over the years that they were together. But Charles's mother also told investigators that Metallica never wanted to get pregnant and that she actually resented their three-year-old son because she felt like he had taken away the time that she got to spend alone with her husband as though she was jealous of their son that he was like impeding on their relationship. Metallica's stepmom later told investigators that Metallica had recently cashed out her 401k as well, supposedly because they were planning to remodel their kitchen. But obviously that's something people have a lot of questions about. You're cashing out your 401k, you're grabbing the kitchen knives, you're going on this three-week vacation at the Great Wolf Lodge to plot, to kill your husband and son. I mean, what's going on here? And I do want to take a second to talk about Charles in all of this because his friends and loved ones have shared some very sweet things about him. They described him as an amazing dad who was always willing to help someone out, no matter what, saying that he was just one of those genuinely kind people who loved making other people smile. And it's absolutely heartbreaking that both he and his little boys lost their lives in such a horrible way. And I think about the little boy who was probably so excited to be at Great Wolf Lodge going on water slides, having this long vacation with his mom and dad, having so much fun only to then be attacked by the person he should have been able to trust the most. As of right now, Metallica remains behind bars awaiting her preliminary hearing. I will keep you updated as we learn more about this case. I also have started digging into it personally just a little bit over the last few days. There is some other information under the surface. I just don't need to verify it though. So I know I'll say it. I would expect a deep dive. I mean, the one thing I was thinking before you had shared the comments from the family was again, like I wish I could get in the minds of these people that think this is the only way out. Like just leave your family. Maybe you'll be looked at as a horrible person, but like move on and start a new life. But then okay, if there's a jealousy element, then that wouldn't have been a solution for her. But I also am just thinking, if Jared said to you, let's go stay at the Disney resort for three weeks. That'd be a red flag. Number one, that would be like, what the hell? That is such a wild thing to do. But then also, if depending on your financial situation, I would imagine it'd be like, that's a very extravagant. I mean, three weeks anywhere is extravagant. Let alone at this resort where I'm sure everything's expensive. What was that conversation? Like between them that what he felt, like that would, you know, was she like, let's just live life and which is sad to even say that. But, you know, and like, let's live it up and go on this big trip and take our son and spoil him. I mean, I just, that feels like strange three again, three weeks anywhere is a long time. Yeah. Well, and clearly, there's a big plan. So she had it out doing the map, not even including food or anything like that, $6,300. Yeah. Just hotel stay. That's, I mean, that's a lot of money. I don't, I actually don't know if I've ever taken a three week vacation and stayed there to resort somewhere. Yeah. Or even like, what multiple resorts for three weeks? I know. That's so expensive. It is very expensive, I know. So, like I said, probably going to do a deep dive into this case. So obviously a lot to take in this week. It was, you know, a lot of tough cases. They always are. Let us know if there is a particular one. You want us to research more and do a deep dive into and we certainly will. And as a reminder, you can get your fall merch right now. 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But we definitely want to hear from anyone that has any type of recommendation or something that has weighed heavily on their heart. But that's the place to do it and the best place to have our team review it. Awesome. Thank you. Yes. Good call. Good call. I thought you were going to make an announcement like, slide into my DMs. I'm looking for a holiday day. Which that too. That too. All right, guys. So thank you for tuning in. And until the next one, be nice. Don't kill people. Don't go on long vacations or see that as a red flag and question it. Yeah. I don't know. Just do the right thing. There. Look at that. So easy. Do the right thing. All right. Bye.