Grant Horvat Interview, Miles Russell Into U.S. Open, Golf x World Cup

What is up golf sickos we have a huge Wednesday show of Dan on golf presented by knock around. We've got Grant Horvath on the show. We're going to be recapping golf long as day. Our boy Neil Shipley got there. We probably have time for an interview. We'll have to see. It's a huge one. World Cup starts tomorrow vibes are high. As always, if you want to see the full version of our show, see the clips we're talking about. That's over on the Dan on golf YouTube channel. But for now, enjoy this podcast episode of Dan on golf presented by knock around. - Cooking safely, yes, right now. That's my final answer. - Cooking safely, I'm terrible. - And I am a straight donation station, Jover. - Your Lord, my cash, Paul's all gone. Give it some more, man! - Give it some more, man! - Yeah, yeah, yeah! - Yeah! - Please, take, take, take, take, take, take, take! - Can we just please stop saying this moment ago? - Sunil signs that you're playing with a stick. - A bag? You want me to just. - You want me to be intimidated by a (bleep) bag? (roars) - What does up golf say goes welcome to an absolutely packed Wednesday show of Dan on golf presented by Knockground. As always, my man Ben Boscovitch over in the chair. We have a huge program for you guys, so we've got Grant Horvath on the show. We're breaking down golf's longest day. We have a really heartwarming interview with my man, Zach, who's living with ALS, but raising a ton of money for the fight against that horrible disease through golf. We've got a little bit with Roger Steele. We've got a little golf World Cup mashup. The World Cup starts tomorrow. Today is my third wedding anniversary. - Oh, congratulations. - Thank you. So smash a like and subscribe for Mennogamy's sake. We love Mennogamy on the show. - Mennogamy. It's absolutely loaded, but let's start with Knockground. So I played golf this morning. It's become a bit of a traditional little Wednesday morning do sweeping around before I come and do the show on Wednesday. It puts me in the right frame of mind. You can ask me how it went. - How'd it go? - It went well. Thank you for asking. I was three over through 15. I managed to shoot even par. So some of you know, some of you in par rounds feel a lot better than other ones. It was a good finish. You know, it's bright in the mornings, especially you know, 7 a.m. at summer. You need the shades. Shades are vitally important and I never leave home without my knockgrounds. These are the 11 Hates. You've got your first pair of tight pulls. - Yeah, that's right. Check them out. - They look great. - They look great. And you can look great in knockgrounds too. They're the best sunglasses for the right price. The best sunglasses for the right price. And the third time the best sunglasses for the right price. Go to knockground.com/golf. 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And then what do you know, JT Poston wins the memorial and withdraws from the RBC Canadian Open. And underdog golf always tweets it. And I always retweet it and it always bangs. It's become like a fun little Monday thing. - That out of underdog. - It makes sense though, right? Like none of these guys, especially the ones that were up there, they weren't all into everything. So the guys were in the signature events. They make their schedule before the year. The guys who aren't into the signature events, they play all the events that they can to try to get into the signature events. So people forgot, I mean, Aaron Rye, the week before the PGA championship, he played the Mertle Beach Classic because he couldn't get into the truest at Quell Hollow. And then you win and you're in everything. So it makes total sense, right? You get to pick your schedule. These guys can't play every week. They immediately go if you win to the signature events. Kettle's you have to rejigger everything. So it makes total sense. - JT Poston was not yet in the US Open. - Right. - Now we're the Open Championship. - Right, so everything changes. So it makes total sense, but it is a little bit funny. It is a little bit funny. Not funny is Marco Penge. So this guy was the best player on the DP World Tour last year. Not in Murray, Macro, he finished second in the race to Dubai. 28 years old, he's in his prime. One of the more exciting PGA Tour Rookies. - He's here. - Crush is the ball. So he moves to the US and it's been just like a bit of a nightmare of a rookie season. So it starts out as newborn son was in the NICU for 21 days, which is obviously a harrowing situation. The son is okay, which is great news. But Penn has been struggling with, well, it's not actually clear. So that's the problem. So Marco Penge, withdrew from the US Open. Here's what we had to say. Unfortunately, myself and my team have decided to withdraw from the US Open Championship. Got it to have to withdraw from a major, but my health is the number one. We still haven't got to the root cause of my health issues after having scans and seeing several specialists. I'm starting to feel better compared to the PGA Championship and we are getting a lot closer after ruling things out. I just need more time to get things right. Thank you for your support, as always. I should be back soon. That's stinks. That's stinks. So we hope that Marco Penge gets well. Obviously, health is the most important. Okay, speaking of the US Open, golf's longest day. So did a little stream on Monday going through the guys who had qualified. We were still waiting to see what happened on the West Coast. That was a little all over the place cause some of them were still going on. Now we know. We know the 43 players who got through the 10 final qualifying sites on golf's longest day and booked T times at Shinnecox. So let's go through them. We will start in New York at century and golf color purchase. So Kevin Roy got through. He's currently 86 in the FedEx Cup. Max Grazerman, currently 84th in the FedEx Cup. He's got five second place finishes. He's a New Jersey guy. This was in New York. Obviously the US opens in New York. So sort of a home game. Ben James, who won PGA tour you Virginia senior. He's making his tour debut as a member and as a professional this week in Canada. So he goes Canada right into the US Open. Great opportunity to get some big points. And then James Nicholas. We've had him on the show huge on social media. I think he's 15th in the cornferry standings. He won the cornferry tour this year. He made it kind of oakmont also in New York guys. So a great a great effort from James Nicholas moving to Gaston Country Club in North Carolina. Jackson Ormond. So this guy, I should say this kid, just graduated high school. He's from Rochester. So shout out Alex Bush. Okay. He's going to Florida. Shout out Coach Deacon. And he was co-medallist. He shot 65, 63 on Monday. He was scheduled to play in a AJGA event on Tuesday. And unlike all the tour pros, he did not withdraw. And he shot 64 in the first round. So he is absolutely bowling. Carl Uwan qualified 29 year old from China. He's playing mostly the cornferry tour this year. Jackson, Ben Paris, young lad out of Vanderbilt also playing the cornferry tour. He's missed the cut in the last four cornferry events. Now I get a chance out of US Open. Also, I'm going to say this. I didn't say this. I'm going to get through this one. The the PGA championship might have the strongest field of the year of the majors. The US Open has the sickest field. Sickest field. You get the most sicko and sickest field. Because they find a way to get like, if you're an amateur and you're hot, you get in. If you're a guy who like JB Holmes who qualified who will get to in a bit, who hasn't played golf tournaments like in years, he's in Jackson, Coivin, the number one amateur in the world, he's in. So the US Open has the sickest sickest field. It can be like a Monday session for remembering some guys. It's awesome. It's awesome. So let's run through some more of the guys who got in. OK, Brandon Wu. So he went to Stanford. He's played on tour before and now he's back on the cornferry tour. And then Cole Hammer, this kid was a phenom at Texas. He's been kind of stuck on the cornferry level. And he's 26 somewhere around there on the cornferry tour. So big, big summer needed for him to get to the PGA tour. Springfield Country Club in Ohio, our man, Niels Shipley. Where's my applause? Yes. It's been a rough rookie season for Niels Shipley. He keeps missing cuts by like one or two shots. He's actually, he's only made the cut in three of 13 events, but we never lost faith. And a huge opportunity to change everything in the US Open. He's also in the field this week in Canada. So maybe this gives us a little momentum. And maybe we'll have a time to talk to him later. That'd be awesome. Yeah, I'm not sure. Usually not. It's a busy time. Zach Blair. So Zach Blair, maybe from the tree farm, he built that golf course. He's huge into architecture and has built an incredible course. He's splitting his time between the cornferry tour and the PGA tour. He loves Springfield. He has made it through Springfield three straight years. And in nine tries, he's made it four times. So when you consider that it's like six spots for 80 players, it's a pretty incredible rate. Dylan Wu, Northwestern zone, he's also been kind of oscillating between the PGA tour and the cornferry tour. Billy Horschl has played 377 times in the PGA tour with eight victories and 42 million in career earnings, but he had to earn that shit on one day. I tell you he's happy about that. Who? Ralph Lauren. Yeah. If they didn't have Billy Hull in there, it was just Zach Johnson out there repping the RLX. All right. Well, there you go. That's our little fashion. There you go. Our fashion consiglier. And then Nick Hardy, who's played on the PGA tour, he's now back on the cornferry tour. Captain Brandt Städiker has been playing some good golf. He is the first alternate Tony Fienaum missed it at that site by a few eight. I'm getting some in my ear. We have, can we make some time? Sure. OK, now my time. We have Neil Shipley. Let's hear from Neil Shipley. Wow. It's up you Sikos. You know Shipley here. It's fresh off qualifying for the US Open. At the Canadian Open now getting ready for an important week, but just super pumped for the opportunity next week. And a great way to, you know, hopefully get our year back on track, not our best start to the year. If you y'all fall in our long, but good opportunity to turn around and get some big points and big money for, you know, to keep our card for next year. Yeah. Hope everyone's doing well and Dan, thanks for having me on. You're very welcome, Neil. Thank you for coming on. It's nice to hear from him. Wow, yeah, it is nice to hear. Sometimes we just don't have time, but today we did. Bob, we made time for you. We made time from OK. The other Ohio site, Davis Thompson was the medalist. He is a PGA tour winner. This was an isn't in Westerville, Ohio. And then JB Holmes, I think he's played one event, at least that I could find on the PGA tour website since the beginning of 2025. I didn't recognize him. He's played zero corn for events, like ever, I think. So that's a blast from the past for sure. And then Vaughn Harbor, he just finished up his sophomore year at Ohio State. He was outside the top 300 in the college golf rankings, but he's into the United States open. How beautiful is the United States? open and then Arnie Spyntson. You were talking about the Scandinavian invasion that's happening in Royal Golf. Iceland, he is from Iceland. I looked it up. I said, "Is he the first player to play in a US Open from Iceland?" No. Yes, he is. He's not the first to play in a major championship. Someone played in the 2018 Open Championship, but he is the first man from Iceland to play in the US Open. He goes to LSU. He's a stud. Okay, moving to Canada, north of the border, Lamped in Golf and Country Club, Emiliano Grillo. He's a former PGA tour rookie of the year. Got through, he's mainstay on the PGA tour, for Sotid William Mau, who's 118th in the FedEx Cup standings right now. Alejandro Toasty, I'm really excited for this one. He's a wild boy, as we know. And the US Open famously torments people. Yeah, so there's some firework potential there, you know? We could see some crazy. I'm just saying, the ingredients are there for Toasty to let his feelings show on the hallowed ground. In Toasty. In New York. John Perry. He was a 39 year old Englishman. He got his tour card from the DP World Tourist, quietly, very quietly, made 13 to 14 cuts this year. He's only 93rd in the FedEx because he's not playing in the big events and he hasn't had those top level finishes. But he's having a very solid season. So far, Marcelo Rozo, 36 year old from Colombia. He is not having a good season, but opportunity to turn things around. And then Max McGreevy is currently 116th in the FedEx Cup. But one of the big stories of the day, is the guys who didn't make it here. So there was a big playoff. There was an 8 for 3 playoff, Matt Wallace missed it. I feel like he's golf's almost man. I feel like with the rider cup, we saw the emotion last year. It just feels like he's been close a lot of times. And so to Max Homo, Max Homo was in the playoff. He made kind of a silly bogey on the first playoff hole. And then Adam Spenson, did you see this? - That was watching the playoff. - So he saw he picked up his marker. So he picked up his marker because he knew he wasn't in the US opening, where the problem is, how you finish determines who the alternate is. So he gave up the first alternate spot. And I could, you know, the alternate sometimes get into the tournament. So not as best. - Not as bad. - On zero chance. - Yeah, he wasn't thinking straight. I mean, it was the end of a 36 whole day. It was 37 holes, whatever he played after the playoff. And his brain was probably a little bit fried. - You always have somebody in your saying, "Okay, now this one's for this and this one's for this." - Right. - I guess the caddy could have that. - He was just pissed probably. - And that happens. Okay, Woodmont Country Club in Maryland, Jackson Subur was the medalist 107th in the FAQCUP. Ben Cole, so Ben Cole's won the Cornfer event on Sunday. He got his ass to Maryland and went and qualified for the United States Open. All are stay hot, Ben. Logan Riley would just finished up his freshman year at Auburn. They won the national championship. And now he's into the US Open. So hell of a little month stretch there for young Logan Riley. And then Jake Solon, PGA Tour America's player, gets a chance to play the US Open. He beat someone. I can't remember who in a playoff. He had to like this far in the playoff and tapped into getting to the US Open. Blade's Brown is second alternate. Kid, just, he, the guy mounted golfers guy's player this year is out of control. He also had the most like positive vibe missing. Blaze Brown. I didn't see I was watching some highlights. And it just seemed like he might have made it. Oh, it's a wait. Did he miss it? Yeah, it looks to. He's got a smile on his face. All right, moving south to Hawks rig. Juh. That's not how you say the word Ridge. Hawks Ridge Golf Club in ball ground, Georgia. Chris Kirk is a turplier. This is a full-time flutter. I smooth swingers on this list. Six time winner on the PGA Tour. He was the medalist. Jake Peacock also plays on the PGA Tour Americas. You have to think that, you know, next week at the US Open, he might get some early round coverage on Peacock. If they're smart. If they're smart. Kazmir Keith Mitchell is 67th in FedEx Cup. Main stay on the PGA Tour. Robbie Higgins having a little bit of a rough year, 157th on the Corn Fairy Tour. But he is into the United States Open. And then Chase Keys. I think it's pronounced Keys. So he just finished his freshman year at Tennessee. He got through. And in the interview, they said, what are you expecting at the US Open next week at Chinnacock? And he said, I had no idea it was next week. These kids, these kids just play golf. And they just count them up at the end and then see what happens. What's my tea time and what's the course? Where's the first tea and what's the course record? All right, Emerald Valley Golf Club in Cresswell, Oregon, Grayson Leech. Another PGA Tour Americas guy. He's an Oregon grad. So familiar with the Oregon terrain. He gets through. And then Andrew Putnam, who's having a good year, 57th on FedEx Cup. They had a nine hole playoff. They had to come back Tuesday morning. Oh, really? Like 36 holes. Only two spots in this qualifier in Oregon. He plays 36 holes. He's tied with another guy. And they go nine holes in the playoffs. So we had to play 45 holes to qualify for the United States Open. Talk about earning. And they ran out of daylight and had to come back and come back the next day. At Del Paso Country Club, which is the site of my cadding felony. We've talked about this before. I've told the story. I'm not going to tell it again. But I saw that name. And I said, oh, my God, I got a rush of emotion. Bunch of amateurs. And Taylor Montgomery. So Taylor Montgomery, one of the best putters. Remember, he won the major league putting tight, or the mini golf-- he won like a million dollars in a putting competition. Really? I remember that. I should look it up. He's been back in fourth P.J. to our cornferry tour. Eric Lee, who goes to Oklahoma State, he was part of the national championship winning team last year. Matthew Robles, who plays for Santa Clara. He was 426 in the world amateur ranking. And then Marek Fleming, who plays for South Carolina. And then finishing it off, the juniors showed out in a huge way in Florida. The top two juniors in the country, both were in the field, and they both got through. So number two junior, Giuseppe Puebla. He was co-metalist, which is sick. Long time journeyman P.J. tour and cornferry tour player, Ben Silverman got in, writer Cowan, who plays for Oklahoma. He's a good college player. He got in, and then Miles Russell, with Charlie on the bag. He's the number one junior in the damn world. He's a top 10 amateur in the world. He will be playing in the United States open, his first major championship, and Charlie Woods was on his bag. And now the question is-- Yeah. --there's Charlie Cady from in the United States open. He's stuck on the bag. We talk a lot about, oh, don't compare him to Tiger. Tiger, you know what Tiger's never done? Cady, he was so thin. Yeah. What a day for Miles Russell, with Charlie on the bag. Miles said he loved having Charlie on the bag. So I think he's got a role with it. If you-- the golf's longest day, you've got 36 holes. And then you make it-- unless Charlie's a tournament, you can cut him off at that point. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if you cut him off anyway. Yeah. Need that box office element. It is very box office. All right, so that is the recap of golf's longest day. That was fun. I enjoyed doing that. Yeah, it was great. All right, no more Rocket Don't Say Mortgage Classic. Detroit, you were just talking about Detroit. I know. I kind of accidentally manifested that. You did? So the Rocket Classic will be contested for the final time this year with Rocket Don't Say Mortgage, electing not to renew as a sponsor following this year's event, following a 13-year run as title sponsor and eight years in Detroit. The move comes and meets weak fields and poor attendance. So it was kind of mean that last sentence felt like, you know, we kind of understood that without the last-- --explication without the last sentence, but yeah, I mean, things are changing. Certain markets are going to get PJ Tour events. Certain Martins are going to lose PJ Tour events. I think what I said was that the Rocket Don't Say Mortgage Classic had like an identity more than its contemporaries in that level of PJ Tour tournament. And then I hoped that maybe it could be retained in some way in the future. Yeah. I guess not. I guess not as right. The United States women's open. The ratings were very good, not a surprise. Yeah. Second highest since 2014, over $2 million at the peak, a 78% increase from last year. I mean, they couldn't have drawn it up. Any better actually thought maybe the ratings would be a little higher. I mean, it's a great number. But when you got-- they couldn't draw it up. You have Riviera. You have Primetime. You have Nellie Corp. You have Charlie Hole. It goes back to what you said on Monday about picking these golf courses. Yes. And then the stuff up. Correct. And yeah, whether or not that many people on site, yeah, was the rating still great? Yes. It is a TV product. Yes. OK. So Scott O'Neill went on CNBC-- fast money, I think it's called-- talk about the future of Liv Golf. And he painted a rosy picture as he has to do. He's raising money. And people don't want to give money to someone who's like, yeah, well, I was just going well. They want someone with energy. So he had the game face on. And he was talking about how the interest is strong. And they're looking to raise $300 million. And he acknowledged that it's not going to be the same person moving forward. But with all these reports coming out recently, that Liv might not even have funding for the rest of their events. They have a 47-day break. And then they have four more events, I believe, for the rest of the year. He was asked the question point, Blake. Now I would love to be able to show this to you. But unfortunately, there's something called media rights. And I can't show it to you. So Ben and I are going to reenact the media part of this interview. So let's get the graphic up. Imagine that we are in a different setting and ask me the question, Ben. I mean, can you guarantee today that the four tournaments remaining on your schedule will actually take place? What I can guarantee is a heck of a return if you come and invest in this business. OK, that was our reenact. That was it. Thought that went really well. We were kind of nervous about that. But I think it went really well. He didn't say yes. He didn't say yes. I feel like it would have been really easy to say yes. Yeah. Or we're working really hard to make sure that that happens. It's our number one priority. We're looking forward to what's the next level of it. Even that would be a no. Unfortunately, and this is-- I like when these leaders of big organizations can golf go on interview shows that aren't so inside golf because the interviewer is just going to ask the question. He's just going to be like, are these happening? And that was a binary question. It was so yes or no question. And that was a no. This is more of a business story now than it is a golf stirrack. They're trying to raise $350 million. They're talking about family offices or talking about private equity. That guy's probably working nonstop. Like nonstop, but he's probably getting paid very well. But he's probably working nonstop. It wasn't little too much like a soundboard button. They programmed that response. Well, he knew it was coming. He knew it was coming. They're in money raising mode. They're in cell mode. So that's what he has to do. All right, let's move into mind your manners. A couple of moves from the PJ tour that I really like. So the PJ tour is getting into the Australia business. And it's a long time overdue. The PG Tour announced. a partnership with golf Australia to support the Australian open. So that will have, see the tournament have its own date. It's gone against the hero world challenge in the past. And they're going to pump money into the prize fund. Now let's hope that the best players in the world make the pilgrimage. I think a good number will look. The Australian open dates back to 1904 and has been won by the likes of Jack Nicholas. Wanted six times? Wow, played it all the time. Arnold Palmer, Peter Thompson, Greg Norman, Tom Watson, Gary Player, Rory McElroy, Jordan Speed. It's one of the oldest and proudest tournaments in the world. In Australia has an incredible golf culture. The fans turn out, the golf courses are amazing. This tournament was at Royal Melbourne last year. It was at Kingston Heath the year before that. Maybe to the two best courses in all of Australia. This is a great move. It's a great move by the PGA toward minding its manners for the history of the game. Because one of the things that live has done is it has highlighted that there are markets outside of this great country, outside of these United States that are hungry for world class golf and will turn up for world class golf. And the chief among those is Australia. We've seen the live-adilated event. They're best event in terms of golf course, in terms of atmosphere, in terms of crowd. The PGA toward the Australian open is a sleeping giant. Let's wake it up. Let's get the best players in the world. You got your December, Australia. Sounds like a great idea. Scotty Shephler, I know you don't like to play outside of the United States. Go get yourself in the first place. You go, we'll go. How about that? Scotty goes, we're going. Scotty goes, we'll go. You're my boss, remember? You control the budget. Yeah, if Scotty goes, we're going. OK, and speaking of which is not the only great manners move. So Josh Carpenter, who's our schedule guy, he dropped the news that the PGA tour is no longer married to having the title sponsor be the name of the tournament. So like cognizant classic or Genesis invitation in the future. It might be something like the Seattle Open presented by Amazon or the Charles Schwab Colonial where they have the name of the course in the title. I like this a lot. This is leaning into the history of the tour and the host venues. Thinking about great tournaments on the PGA tour, the memorial tournament presented by workday. The Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by Mastercard. Let's get back to that. You know, there's new leadership. They're starting fresh. They want these tournaments to feel part of history, like continuity. Not have to change their name every five years because some chief marketing officer decides that they don't want to be in golf anymore. So, and we also won't get the silly stats like when they say, "Oh, Ben Hogan won the Genesis Invitational four times." No, he didn't. He did not. On the LA Open. Let's have the name of the tournament be consistent and the sponsor is like a little thing on the side rather than the sponsor just being the name. And obviously, that might be a different price point. PGA tours raised a bunch of money. There's a new media rights coming up. I think all of this stuff is up for play. So, mind your manners. So, yeah, mind your manners for the history of the game. Australian Open. Bring it back. And like, LA Open, that should be the name of it. You know, he's going to love this, our friend Alan Shipman. He loves to know where first all that stuff is. And speaking of minding your manners, we are giving you good manners because we have a promo code for you. So, if you go to mannersgolf.com, like we said, it's summertime. They have the summer collection. I've been recommending manners to all my friends and family. They'd say, "I love these clothes. I like your hat. I like my sweater." "Manor's Golf.com. Use the promo code dog15 and you get 15% off your order." That's significant. That's significant. Dog15, 15% off your order. All right. I'm excited for this one. I got a DM from a gentleman named Zach Zangle a couple months ago. And he said, "I'm a huge fan of the show. I'm a golf sicko living with ALS. And we have this incredible event that we are putting on to raise money for the fight against ALS." As he said, he doesn't believe it's uncurable. He just believes it's underfunded. Now, this is, you know, Lou Gehrig's disease. It's a nasty disease. My great uncle passed away from ALS. And it's really difficult to even talk about because of how brutal it is. But Zach has an incredible, incredible attitude and incredible optimism. And there's an incredible event happening in the Northeast next week. So here I am with Zach Zangle. All right. We are joined by Zach Zangle. You know, I get some DMs from the Dan Ongolf account for people who are interested and kind of getting their message out there. But yours immediately jumped out to me and I'm so happy to have you on the show. So next week, if I am not mistaken, next week is the ALS100. You are the Chief Inspiration Officer, which is an epic title of the ALS100. So tell us a little bit about the organization and the events next week. Yeah. So thanks Dan, so much for having me on. It was awesome that you responded and, you know, the message of the charity reverberated with you. But I am an affected individual living with ALS, also commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease. And what the ALS100 is about is using golf to bring much needed fundraising and awareness to this cause. At this time, ALS does not have a cure and it is our belief that it is not uncurable, but that it is underfunded. And so we are thrilled to have this event takes place over two days next week in Connecticut. The signature event and how this all started takes place on Tuesday with 32, 16 mantimes of two and some gals, playing 100 holes, which for anyone on your show, budding off 36 with the cart in a single day is normally a lot and they are all going to play 100 holes. And that takes place right outside of Hartford at Keeney Park, of course. So we are thrilled to have them as a host for us and, you know, we are in year four. They have raised over a million dollars to date. This year we have already exceeded our fundraising goal of $625,000 and moved the needle up to $800,000. A huge part of that has come with my involvement. I was lucky to be introduced to Corey Sullivan and Alex Litt, the founders of the event who both lost their father and played in the inaugural ALS 104 years ago by a woman at ALS TDI, one of our principal beneficiaries of the charity. And one of the things they did when they brought me on board is we added a sponsor's invitation. So everyone involved went out and we were able to get an epic amount of sponsors that we actually sold out spots in the Monday event. And that has been a huge driver for us and we're just so excited to get everybody together at Country Club of New Canaan for that event on the Monday and then pivot to 100 holes on Tuesday. It's just a group of folks intimately impacted by ALS who are playing in the 100 holes. I unfortunately am on the IR right now from playing golf. So I have my best friend and my best man playing as one of my representatives and also my younger brother, why? So people coming out to show up for each other and a really cool event. So how did you meet Alex and Corey? How did you get involved? So when I was diagnosed in August of 2024 through our network of family and friends, I was introduced to the VP of development at ALS TDI Carol Hamilton. And she has really been an unbelievable sounding board and spirit guide through the ALS world. And I think the stars aligned that around that same time she became aware of Corey and Alex is effort with the ALS 100 and knowing my passion for golf and their passion for golf and wanting to grow the event. It became a natural fit. My firm was one of the sponsors last year. Stone Peak is an infrastructure PE firm. And from there I also got to play golf with Corey before he relocated up to Connecticut and it was an instinct fit. Now golf is one of these really small big communities and you show up on the first team. People have the logo game going on. Before you know it, you know four or five people in comment and you go out and you just have a great walk with friends. And so we hit it off personally first and then Corey and Alex got together and reached out and asked if I would like to join the board and serve as Chief Vents' Paration Officer which was an incredible honor to be able to represent, you know, those of us living with the disease trying to make an impact for everyone across the affected, the families and caregivers, the research community. You know, it's just an unreal honor and that's a little bit about how we came together. So I know you're a solid. for a claim, golf sicko, you know, you called yourself that we've been going back and forth on some different stuff. What has golf meant for you throughout this, your battle with this disease? You know, for me, it is always served as, you know, a release and something you could go out of your, not only having friends from fun with friends, but you're able to challenge yourself. Golf teaches you all sorts about the unfair knocks in life as you get pummeled with those through a tournament golf and friendly rounds and things go awry, but golf has really been a gateway where I've been able to pivot from, you know, the physical satisfaction of being out on the course and hitting shots to using it as a mechanism, you know, to make a difference. You know, while I'm not able to currently play, I'm still really able to enjoy being on the golf course to watch my two boys get passionate about the game and hit shots and to be involved in a charity like this that connects, you know, my favorite sport hobby with making a difference for the broader community. Yeah, I'm just going to give a message to our listeners and our viewers now. You don't get angry on the golf course because their Zach would do anything to be able to still play golf right now. And so you're just so lucky to be out there, everybody, and just enjoy it for what it is. It's an incredible walk with friends and it's incredible time outside. Zach, I want to thank you so much for joining the show. I also want to, I'm going to make a donation. I'm going to make a donation on the on behalf of the entire dog team or that we're going to donate $1,000 to the cause. Just send me, send me whatever information or I don't know if I can do it online, but I've been using that info right away, Dan. Yeah, I've been I've been really inspired by by corresponding with you. I'm looking forward to seeing the event next week. And let's stay in touch, my friend. We'll do. And thank you for everything you're doing for the golf world. I thank you have an awesome view and feel for things. And I really enjoy everything you're doing to, you know, promote the game and bring more awareness in your own way. And thanks for wearing all of our gear. It means a lot. Absolutely. Thank you, dude. Thank you. I love that guy. I love the cause a last 100 Tuesday next week. We'll be keeping an eye out for it. And I hope I can in the future playing one of those events. That was awesome, Dan. Thanks for doing that. Of course. It was cool to see just like we experience a lot of commenting online. Yeah. There's a there's a golf sicker right there, like a real person that that we reach and yeah, that it was just it was cool to hear. It was awesome that he enjoys our program. And we can do something nice for them. Yeah. Yeah. Just really everyone just it puts things in person every day as a gift, especially every day on the golf course. All right. We're going to move topics. It's always a little bit, you know, it's tough to move on from something like that, but we are. We are. So the World Cup starts tomorrow. I am beyond excited. Beyond excited. So two games tomorrow, two games on Friday. And then I'm going to the USA Turkey game two weeks from tomorrow. So super stoked for that. And there's also there's starting on Saturday. There's for 15 straight days. There's four games a day, nine a.m. here on the west coast, noon, three p.m. and six p.m. So you could really couldn't script it any better. So we got us thinking, right? What can we do? You know, golf and I got to give a shout out to the guy Nile. He's a one of our viewers who actually gave us this idea. We're going to do a starting 11 of golfers. If I had to choose a team, we're calling this team the dogs, obviously. Yeah. Who would I want now out there? Now, I don't know if these guys actually play soccer. I'm going more on vibes and body type. So we're going to start in goal. We're going to start with genre. Jerome. Yeah. He's just guy. He's got keeper energy. You know what I mean? It's big guy. I feel like keepers need to be a little psycho. You know, he's got he's got that gear and he's got a son named Kepa, which is a Spanish goalkeeper. So it's a natural fit. My right back. I'm going with from Chile, walking Neiman. He's rangel. He's athletic. I want my right back up and down. I want them overlapping overlapping fullbacks. He's right in his prime 27 years old. We're going with Neiman at right back right center back. We're going with Ryan Fox from New Zealand. He's got athletic heritage. His dad, Grant Fox, one of the great all blacks. He's a big lad. Not afraid to get stuck into a tackle. So my right center back is Ryan Fox. My left center back. I'm going with Tony Fienau. I don't know if he's ever played soccer in his life. Probably haven't, but he's got a hell of a body to be a center back. He's also going to be the captain. You know, I like my center back big center back to be the captain of the team. So my left center back we're going with Tony Fienau. My left back Brian Harman. He's left footed. He's tenacious. He's scrappy. I want him to give the other teams winger an absolute nightmare. Is there a strategy to having like the tallest guy on the team and the shortest guy on the team on your left side? No, not necessarily, but you know, sometimes if you're going to have small guys, typically they play on the outside of the field because the middle guys, you know, they have to win balls in the air. So there's no question. I don't know anything about the stretch. All right, my two center mids. We're going all English here. Alex Fitzpatrick, huge chefield United fan. I wanted to put one of the Fitzpatrick boys in there because I know they're they're massive on football. Alex is a little younger and Alex, you know, these a little bit a little bit stockier. I like I like the build more for soccer. So we're going with Alex's Patrick. My other center made I'm going there and right of Wolverhampton. Now, I don't know, again, if he's ever played before, but I love his attitude. I feel like he might be like a metronome in there. A tempo setter, you know, you're not everybody can be a psycho out there. I play a four two three one, by the way. That's my that's my formation. So my right wing. I'm going with Rastnus near guard Peterson from Denmark. He's skinny. He can run for days. I would imagine. I don't know at all. He might not be able to run at all. He's a big Arsenal fan. Hopefully he's better than Bukhio Saka. My number 10 is Victor Hovland. Very high on Norway this year. They have a great team. Vickers also in his prime. I feel like he's got a number 10 kind of energy, you know, setting up place. He's all he's a very he's very curious guy. You know, he's going down different rabbit holes. I feel like that would lend itself well to me a creative number 10. I don't know why. My left wing is Jake Napa. He's an athlete. He's going to run at your defense and give give the defenders absolute nightmares. And I've got a song for him. Your defense is terrified Jake Napa. Son fire. Son fire. Okay. And then our up top are talisman our best player. I was going to ask you which position is gets the best player top up top our best player from Sweden. Ludwig Oberg. Yeah. 26 years old. Love football. I need him banging in the goals. You know, and I have a song for him too. Ready? Yeah. Ludwig Noah Oberg. He is a Swedish hero. Texas Tech 2 rider. Cup. His major. Count is zero. Six foot three. Hard as fuck. He gets the dogs. Excited stick. Liverpool. Opio. Asco's we are. Man. Yeah. Man. That's so good. Because there's just a lot. Tom Song when he was on man United. The same same tune. The Yankee. I remember that one. And I have to say. Supplement just you know, I just have to get that in there. So I was surprised you put a Liverpool guy. Yeah. I a Ludwig. I'm put. There's a lot on Ludwig's shoulders. He's got to be banging in the goals for us. So here's our lineup and goal. John Rom right back walking the man center backs Ryan Fox Tony Fino left back Brian Harmon two center mits Alex its Patrick Aaron Ryan my right winger Rasmus Seagard Peterson. My center attacking midfielder is Victor Hovland. My left winger is Jake Napa and up top banging in the goals. We've got Ludwig Oberg. Yeah, I'm not to say this. Those songs are really good. They're like professional grade. Well, I mean, there's the templates exist. So there's a famous Will Griggs on fire. Your defense and Jake Napa fits in there. So I came up with those this morning. I appreciate it. All right, Ben, we've been talking a little bit recently about the travelers championship this week after the United States open. It's coming up. And I wanted to talk about their 15 and a half challenge. It's a competition in the name of charity where participants have 15 and a half minutes to attempt to make a hole in one or land closest to the pin on the signature floating umbrella hole. It is tiny. Yeah, it's a hard shot. We're going to have to. They're going to have 15 and a half minutes. I can go rapid-firedly to do whatever they want. We caught up with three participating golf content creators after their practice sessions. Tisha Alin, Roger Steele and Josh Kelly to see how they're preparing. Here's my conversation with Roger Steele. All right, we're here with Roger Steele. The head of the travelers 15 and a half hole challenge. How are we preparing for this? I mean, just we need to be repping our wedges more anyway. So I feel like this is an alignment with my broader golf goals. But not at all kind of gotten into mindset of angst, small, miss, small. I'm just really dialing in on the technique. And I'm really going to implement a lot of the wedge findings that I'm having like no weight distribution tempo. I'm carrying that throughout the game to become a comprehensively better wedge player. So I'm really dialing it. 2026 is now the year of the wedge. Well, I feel like 2025 for you might have been the year of the driver. Yeah. I remember watching you hit driver and you got like a 90 ball speed. Yeah. But you got to have the offskit stuff too. You do, you do. And I find that it's it's way more important to be able to control these around the green than it is to get yourself close to the green. At least that's what I'm finding. You know, keeping the golf ball on the courses. Very important. Very important. Way more important to have that. Because you know what, hitting the ball crooked and fast is a very painful thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to walk really far. And it's just watching it for that long. Yeah. You really tag one that you know what's going on out of bounds. You have to watch it for the whole time just to make sure and it's a painful thing. So I feel like with implement wedge technique and the driver setup, you know, get the weight a little bit more force. They want top of the ball. Try to measure out the tempo. Maybe that'll just, you know, make me a better player overall. So I know you've gotten lessons before. I've gotten lessons. It's a little bit different when there's PJs for winners for watching your hit balls. What was that experience like? You feel a little pressure? I felt a little twitchy at impact. You know, probably because I carry a bit too much respect for those guys. You know, I know that they're the best in in the world and I know that I look up to them and idolize them in the a lot of ways, but you know, there's still humans. There's still humans, but you're having Ricky and Chris down there. I felt myself twitch a little bit, not in like that, you know? Yeah. So I just, I feel like if I go out here and win this, the 15 and a half challenge, I do feel like I could redeem myself and take that back to my life. And you know, look at from where we came. Look how far we came. But I know it's going to be broadcast live, so there's going to be a lot more than just Chris and Ricky watching. How are we going to handle that pressure? You know what? I do a pretty good job of self-deprecation online. OK. So if the unthinkable happens, and I'm saying, I'm talking about the S word now. If that-- I can't believe you just brought it in the conversation. Yeah. Somebody's going to hit one. It's like it'll be you, hopefully. But if it is me, self-deprecation is a love language of mine, so I do feel like I'll be able to back off or to screw me to the fine, you know, after the fact by just telling a few lighthearted jokes, and just explaining to myself in a vulnerable way. So if I need to go there, I hope that I don't have to go there, but if I need to go there, I can. So no tour pro has hit a whole one. Do you believe you can be the first? I've had a lot of good opportunities and a lot of good showings and big moments. You have. I had like-- sometimes I could just step up. I don't know where it comes from, but right circumstances, right light, right energy, right food. I'm a different guy. You know, so when I hear things like there's no holding on one of them at 15 and a half, why not me? Why not me? No, and there's no-- I can't find-- I've been looking for reasons all day. And I hear you. So did I hear you say your family's going to be out there? Yeah. You can't disappoint your family. I know. And I struggle with that a little bit, too. Sometimes I look into my daughter's eyes. I got two of them now. And I'm just like, man, I'll do anything to provide for you all. And do I want to be a failure in front of my kids? And sometimes that could make me rise to the occasion. But sometimes that makes small moments feel too big. And so I'm trying to kind of stuck in the middle of where I land on how to family influence-- He's got a lot going on up here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was freaking a criss down there, dog. Some of the stilts are too real player. That was big. That was big. So we're in the clips business a little bit, you and I. And if you win this, there's going to be a lot of eyes on your celebration. You thought about what you might do. Now, I think that you know if Josh Kelly is hit in after me, I may run over and bump him and make him celebrate with you. Like if I-- It's a mind game. Like force the celebration on him. And so I'm kind of looking forward to going second. If somebody does something crazy in front of me, holds out, it's good that I know what I have to do. If I get the opportunity and I'm in the middle, I think that I'm forcing my opponents to celebrate with me and making them be a part of my success, a part of my moment. Yeah, it's my key of allian, but I think I like it. Yeah, but that's just really rope in them into the experience, you know? Yeah, don't give them a choice. Or make them super awkward. Yes, super awkward is always a good strategy. So the Traveler Championship, one of the biggest and best tournaments on the PVA tour, when you watch tour players up close, what do you notice most? The intention and the pre-shot routines, the consistency, I really applaud how they're able to keep the tempo going from, you know, walk from green to tea, how they walk into shots, like the speed of which they look at, target, waggles. It almost looks like choreography. So I think that when people go out and they watch these players, it's just really beautiful the tempo at which they move. Because it's all individual to them, but there's a consistency to it and a rhythm to it that falls outside of just the golf swing. Sometimes when I watch Ricky, I notice especially Ricky, I feel like he's moving in slow motion. Like they take so much time. Yeah. I don't think I'd have the patience to be a professional golfer. Yeah. Those are things that we could tell ourselves, you know, not chase out dreams, but you know, sometimes, you don't know if it's just ashes or what is. Yeah. You don't ashes or what is. I mean, I ash myself if I was like, I wouldn't have to go back to being 15 years old and I would have to live my high school years a lot differently. Because I think I threw out a lot of talent. But I think what we're doing now is pretty damn good. You know, you're going to get to hit all these shots in the 15 and a half whole challenge. I think it worked out pretty well for you. We get in the best of both worlds. I appreciate it. Thank you. Good stuff, my friend. Did you see a little strategic hand wipe there? No, I did. It was a hot one. It was hot. I was there. It was a hot day. It was a hot humid one down there in sawgrass. So I'm a sweaty hand. It's actually not that funny. It's called hypahotrosis. It's a condition. It is funny. I was just wiping my hands while I was going on. Because I'm up next. You are up next, but not until we tell them a little bit more about the 15 and a half challenge. So for more information on how to watch the challenge live, it's coming up or to get tickets for the Travelers' Championship. Visit TravelersChampionship.com. Like you said, Ben, you're up next. Golfers wearing clothes. Let's go. My first two favorite golfers wearing clothes are Dan Rapp report and Roger Steele. Because I love that manners, Fit Day. You had it on that day. We were almost wearing the same thing. We were. And Roger's a little lemon guy. They've been putting out some really great stuff. And you wear as the clothes. Roger's guy. So one of the things, a little secret about looking good and clothes, if you have a nice figure, as they say, you're going to look better. Yeah. Roger. Well, what the heck is that? Oh, they wanted to show up. They wanted to bring the fits out. Yeah, they're good fits. Also, everything Roger said just sounds like it's written by poets. Yeah. Well done, guys. A familiar face is going to kick us off this week. His name's Tommy Fleetwood. OK. He was wearing this shade of gray brown that I really, really like. You don't see a ton of it on tour, but what I really wanted to point out was the texture on his polo and the lack of button. Yeah. Did you know Dan, they make polos without buttons. Yeah, manners has them. I wore one today. You don't have to have a five-button placket. I know. I think it looks kind of athletic. It's a nice look. It's almost like a soccer jersey. It is. And it's one you can wear to the bar after. It's the old boardroom to the bar. Nice. Perfect. Nice. Next up, opposite end of the spectrum. So this is the first time I think we've had a winner on Golfers' clothes. J.T. On Saturday, it was wearing one of my favorite polos in the game. It's Johnny O's original polo. Now, why is it called original? Well, Johnny O first came out with their shirts. They were 100% cotton shirts. And as you know, like we've gone into the age of polyester. Johnny O still makes a 95% cotton, 5% of last name shirt if they're original. It's one of my favorites. It's got the four buttons, so it's a long placket. J.T. Set himself up on moving day, pretty nicely in that shirt. So what I'll say about the cotton shirts is, look, if it's 98 degrees, in Florida and its humid, a cotton shirt's not going to work. But if it's like 80 degrees and it fits well and it's a little bit loose, I think there's, I think we've been dare I say, gasslet a little bit into thinking that you always need to wear. Sometimes it's something fits a little bit like bigger and breathed, it breathes more than a tight polyester stretchy fabric shirt. Totally great. And sometimes when you look back at old photos of like Arnie, he wasn't wearing a polyester shirt necessarily in the 50s. And there'd be some like sweatsdains on the shirt. And they look kind of cool. It's like not that bad of a look to show that it's an outdoor sport. Yeah, it's outdoor sport. Things happen. All right, who's next? Next up, our old friend, Alexander Schoffley. Nice. Now, this camera angle is just great for him. Like, straight on, dead on. You can see the lines of his clothes show. Yeah, and he's cinching in his waist. In the waist. But I, you know, I love these dish-on zipper polos, the zipper front. You know, we just talk a lot about plackets on the last two guys. I'm still calling for more zipper polos, zipper fronted polos on the PJ Tour. And then the white pants roll comes into effect. Nice, nice look there from Alexander. Next up is Ricky Fowler, who is deploying camo in a way that I think you should. You know how I say, like, when you wear something wild, everything else should be like toned down. It doesn't mean it doesn't have to be interesting. This green pumice shirt that he wore, and I think JJ Spawn also wore it at one point this week. Gary Woodland probably also wore it this week. It pairs really nicely with the camo. Obviously, the green to green is a good thing. But you can see that the hat pops without being like loud and obnoxious. Yeah. And we got to touch on the shoe there with camo, so it's a nice way to bring it all together. Ties it together. Okay, last but not least, a personal story here. We went up to our friend Alex Norton on the range. We did. And we asked him, what the hell have you been wearing out there in the golf course? I said, are you wearing a Satisfy running t-shirt, which is like a cool guy running brand, like a lot of like New York run clubs are probably like, aftitted and satisfy running? Brooklyn's right foot, yeah. Here's Alex Norton wearing what he told us he was wearing, which is a Satisfy running t-shirt with a polo collar sewed on the inside of the t-shirt. If you look closely there, you can see it kind of like coming out very unnaturally. That's because he or someone on his team did that himself. Talk about dedication to wanting to wear a garment. All it needed was a polo, call. All it needed was a collar to be legal. He fucking loves that t-shirt. You know? I've never seen him not wearing like this thing. He must have. He must love that t-shirt. It must be like, is, you know, everyone's got like a favorite t-shirt. That's got to be his. Imagine going out and being able to play in a workout t-shirt. Yeah, be nice. It'd be pretty comfortable. You're really nice. All right. I'm going to go into the bat. I want to give some shout outs to the ladies at Riv because there was a really well-dressed one there this week. I'm not going to lie to you in my favorites. There were way more than this. But first of all, Danielle Kang wore a pair of pants that you can buy for $22 on Amazon. Those went kind of viral. They did. Our own Nicole Ray wrote an article about it. She ordered them. As soon as she saw this on Getty, she ordered them. Great thing about Amazon. They were at her door the next day. And she wrote her little piece about how much she liked them. Now she said they were a little bit too progressive for her. She's more of a traditional dresser on the golf course. But I would say that men, women alike, go for this kind of pant on the golf course if you can. I think the thing about the difference in the genders here is that if Jason Day wore those pants, all the men in golf are like, don't wear that shit. When Danielle Kang wears those, all the women are like, I need those right now. Well, we've talked about how I think it's a little bit easier for women to dress on the golf course because men, you got to wear a polo and you got to wear pants. We've also talked about this. I do the laundry in our house. And a lot of times I'll pick up a garment of Emma's. I'm like, is this a, what is this shirt? Well, that's confusing thing. But I'm saying like they, women, they can play with it a little bit more and I think they do a really good job of it. The sandbox has more toys in it for them. I would definitely say. Well put. I'm speaking of this might be the best dress golfer on the planet. You've been saying this? I'm not a Kim Shodd. I think that's how you say your first name. Oh, I know you're going to say Nelly. But I'm going to say Nelly. -Oh, that's really fresh. -No, I mean, this is -- I said to Andy before the show, I think, yeah, the statue probably winked at her when she walked back. -It's a very hoagin-esque look. -It's a hoagin-esque look. The pleats, the belt, but look how long the pants are. They're not just wide. They're not just -- They're not cropped at the ankle that you've never seen this before. They're spilling over her ankles. The argyle cardigan, the necker chiff. She's not wearing a polo. She's not -- She has a collar turned up because it's technically a collar, but then she's got a necker chiff underneath of there. A summer scarf, if you will. -That's someone who takes pride in their outfits. -That's someone who thought about every single thing that they put on, and we need way more of that in golf, if you're asking me. -Okay. -So that is the end of our good. -Bring some to the back. -Let's go into the bad. Couple duos on the list. Tommy Fleetwood's back. -Yeah, the hot, man. I feel like -- -You knew that was coming. -Well, hey, 'cause he wears the white with the black, the white hat with the black, or the black hat with the white -- It's like -- -It's usually a white with the black. -Yeah. -Ox on it. I think that this is two different guys getting dressed. I think there's a guy that has to put a black stone hat on, and then there's a guy that thinks about what he's building underneath of it. It's jekyllin' hide. Like, there's just nothing he can do. -How can make him break -- Oh, it can break in outfit. -I don't know if it can make an outfit. It can definitely break in outfit. -It could definitely break in outfit if Tommy didn't dress so well underneath of it. -Yeah. -He finishes the job. -Okay. -That's all I respect him. Ricky almost also made the no list 'cause he wore a now infamous sweatshirt out there. I think Gary Woodlin was our last pair in this. -Yeah, I just wore a sweatshirt. -Sweddy, but not in the cool -- Not in the cool, like, Arnold's. -Yeah, you can't fabricate the outdoor sport of it all. You gotta let the sweat come through. -Yeah. -I didn't love that from Ricky. And then last but not least, another surprise for you here, Dan. Hedecki Matsuyama wore this shirt every day. -Favorite dresser. -Well, he went away from the classic -- -The Gatorade bag. -Sixxon. Yeah, and he's got this, like, unintentional, unnecessary, striped thing happening across. If he had just worn these colors and solids all week, he would have made the good list. But great pink shirt, unnecessary feature through the middle. That's gonna get you on the bad list. Last but not least -- -Archive. -Or archive piece for the week. So this is -- Archive doesn't fall in good or bad. It's purgatory. -Just days. -So, here's your Rorschach test on whether you think this is good or bad, but yes, per part of it, playing in what -- -Good. --than the Bell Canadian Open. Now the RBC Canadian Open. You're saying good? I'm also saying good. -Should be Canadian Open -- -It should be Canadian Open presented by Bell and Canadian Open. -It will be someday. -Yeah. -He goes crossed, touched wood, damn brown. Yes, per did this when nobody else was really taking any risks. They were all just wearing wild shit that their sponsors were giving them. Who else, you know, looking like a mid-Aughts scaw band leader out there on the golf? -I was gonna say, I feel like it's like -- When I think of James Bond playing golf, that's kind of what I feel like he would be wearing. -I feel like I'm staring at Jason Moraz right now. -Jason Moraz. -But I -- -2004, you know, pop music. -Early Aughts. But I respect the move from Yesper. And, as you know, he's now a Melbourne guy. So he's moved into the street where Icon legend status. -Yes, per part of Excalibur legend. -That's how you get there. -Sneaky Latch. He would have been great for your last week, dog race. Remember these guys? -Oh, yeah. -He's maybe a two-present, might be two-present. This guy who we're about to talk to is very present. We got Grant Horvat on the show. YouTube Megastar. Grant doesn't do a whole lot of these big sit-down interviews. So we're grateful that he came on our show. And, actually, why don't you like and subscribe to our show? So you can support us so we can get more great interviews like this one with Grant Horvat. I'm gonna leave you with this interview. We are going to be back here on Monday. We're gonna be on Sunday for the watch-along. You're not gonna be there. -It won't be. -You're heading to New York. -Safe travels. -Thank you. -When are you leaving? -Tomorrow morning. -What are you doing this week? -I have a wedding. My friend Ryan and Rachel are getting married. -Wow. -And Ryan and Rachel are getting married. At the-- I don't know what the name of the team is, but whatever minor league baseball game happens in Coney Island. -Okay. -They're getting married at the end. -That's cool. -You're really fun. -That's gonna be fun. -Yeah. -So then when are you heading out to Shinnokar? -Monday. -Monday. All right. So I will be doing the Monday show alone. I'm gonna be doing the watch-along alone. -I'll zoom in on Monday. You'll be here on Monday. And then we're gonna head to Shinnokar. We're gonna do the Wednesday show from Shinnokar. And I'm gonna come back and do shows pretty much every day for all of you. So like and subscribe to support that as well. -They got a nice spot for us at Shinnokar. -We got a good spot at Shinnokar. We had a great spot at Oakmont. -We did. -Our friends at the USDA. My favorite major. I've said it before. I'll say it again with my chest. But yeah, it's a good time to catch up with Grant. He had the near miss and the Q. He just played in the BMW charity pro and the cornferry pro and event. And it's always good to just pick this guy's brain. So I'll see you back on Sunday for the watch-along. Enjoy our interview with Grant Horde. Wow. You all get into this quick. I mean, do you want us to butter you up? Do you want to? -No, no, I'm ready. -All right. I feel I figure you're a busy man. We'll hop right into it. Come on now. First time that someone has said, I got to, you know, I was in church. We haven't had that on the show yet. And I'm curious, you know, as you've had more and more success, you get more and more famous, whatever you want to want to, what word you want to use. Does your faith sort of keep you grounded? For sure. Yeah. I mean, I think our message today was actually on pride. And I think it's easy to get prideful if things are going good in your life and think that you're the man and stuff. And so I think constantly reminding yourself, humility. It's just good. And yeah, my faith is the most important thing to me. So yeah, always going to church when I can make it. It's not as easy when you're on the road, but being able to go and just, you know, go with my wife and stuff and just being the environment. So it's so helpful. How you been? You've been traveling? You were saying where were you been? Yeah, I just got done playing in the BMW charity program. Struggled bad. I've been fishing too much. I think this is the issue I'm realizing right now with my golf game. I've kind of, I've been just, you know, my golf game always goes like this. And it's interesting with YouTube with what we do. We like post a video and it could have been like two months ago. And people think I'm playing bad right now, but that was two months ago. So you never know how I'm actually playing. But since I got the boat, like I used to go practice. But if it's nice out now and the weather's good, I'm going on the boat. And so there's an issue there. Did not I remember you saying like you and you you were really into fishing like as a young guy. That's kind of what got you into YouTube. Do I remember that correctly? Yeah, well, yeah. I remember I bought a GoPro back in college years ago. And I wanted to be a fishing YouTuber. And I posted one video and gave up. And so yeah, but I had the vision. I was like, I had something with YouTube. How do you how do you decide? I mean, you said like that you you might have filmed a video and it comes out like months later. Do you go in order or do you like sit down like if you film a video and you film another video, well, that first video come out and the video comes out after or sometimes we move it around depending on like the news cycle. How do you order these things? Yeah, no, that's that's a great question. I think if something like you film with, let's say Menwool Lee, if menwool Lee, he was like in second place. Menwool was in second place at the PGA. And I remember I started talking with Sky and I was like, if he wins this, we got to turn this around and get it out quick because you want to get it out relevant. Menwool just won. He didn't end up doing that. So we just held on to it a little longer. But there was no rush to get it out. But yeah, I think the big thing with getting videos out is I don't want them to feel like they're outdated and old. So if I don't want to hold on to a video for a long time, if I switched, you know, if I switch putters, if I switch clubs or something, I don't want it to feel outdated. So we try and get our content out as quick as possible. But like right now, we've been holding on to Shinnecock. You've probably seen all the videos coming out from that course and we've done, we did a major cut there. There's something crazy that I have is I can't even, I can't spoil it yet. But we, it was an awesome video and it's funny. Everybody else is this happened. The previous year at Oakmont, they have the media days at the, the US Open and everybody's already posted their video and we wait where the only we hold on it, hold on to the video until the week of the US Open because that's when everyone's talking about it the most. Yeah, everyone just kind of like get so excited. They just like fire away, fire away, but it does make more sense to like, everyone's going to be talking about Shinnecock next week. So you might as well hold on to it. I, we could be wrong. Like our strategy could be wrong, but it worked last year at Oakmont. Like, yeah, everybody posted their video last year. They got it out and maybe they're excited. Maybe they're rushing to be the first one to post it. I actually view it as if all the media, if everyone on Instagram is talking about Shinnecock, it's US Open week. Everyone's talking about the rough, how thick it is, how hard it is. And then you post a video. It's like everyone's mind is already there. So that is a big thing. But yeah, we're holding on to that video. It's coming out next week. You've grown so much and you continue to grow and I've striving on a skill that's a lot different than yours. But I struggle with I feel like when when stuff goes well, the goal post just move. And you know, you feel like, you know, I always have this conversation with my wife who tries to like tell me that everything's good and okay. Yeah. You know, that if you told 25 year old me that I've been doing what I've been doing now, you know, I would think, oh, I'll just be so happy and content and satisfied. But that's not, I'm a lot older than 25, by the way. But that's not how it, how it goes. You reach a new benchmark. You look to new things. And I'm curious for you, if you feel you know, satisfied is kind of a tricky word. Or do you feel like, you know, you get to one milestone and it moves to the next milestone and how you kind of deal with that feeling. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a great question. I think that's human nature. To always, I think it's a good thing if it's kept under control. I think that's where also like we were talking about the end that's where my faith comes into play. I feel like if I didn't have that, I'd just be the next thing, the next thing, the next thing. And it would just, it's like chasing the wind. I mean, you're never, you're never going to stop doing it. It's, it's meaningless. I think it's great to have asked I think it's great to want to be great at what you do and keep getting the next big video. But there comes a point which if it's affecting you and you're not getting that next video and you're not content, then obviously there's something internally that you have to deal with there. So I feel like, yeah, my faith for me is very important with that. Now it doesn't change the fact that I'm ultra motivated and ultra competitive and I really want to get the next big video. Like I'm 24/7. We're thinking about it right now. I know we'll talk about it, but we have our tour coming up, the launch of everything. And yeah, we're all locked in right now. And we are like the thought of that tour and why that came about was to keep pushing the needle. Like we can't just keep doing the same videos. You can't just keep filming with the same people and doing the same thing. You have to keep pushing the needle. And the tour was pushing the needle for us. And so yeah, there's that thing you deal with. But I mean, yeah, it's endless for sure. When you post a video, do you have a rule where it's like I'm not checking for 24 hours or do you sit on YouTube, YouTube studio and like the live check? Oh no, I'm checking it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's kind of me like the cortisol has got to be going crazy in that moment. Yeah, dude. I've had to deal with that. Like that is actually you put so much effort and time into videos and sometimes they just don't work and they don't pan out. And the weird part about like the YouTube studio and YouTube in general is if a video is not performing how you want it to and you know it's a good video, you immediately, if you're into the art of YouTube, you go to the title and thumbnail and you start thinking about how you can make it better immediately. I've had videos where they've been a 10 out of 10 to start out and terrible click through rate. And I'm sitting there in the studio. We're all kind of just like, oh man, this video is not doing what we expected and we've changed the thumbnail like, you know, a couple days later in the title and it's you just see it go like this on the graph and it starts to pick up. Jackson Coiven, for example, did a video with him. It started out super slow. I did not love the thumbnail and title and sky cooked up something awesome and we flipped it and it went from a 10 out of 10 to now like a two or three and it's just, it's just gone crazy. So that's also an interesting thing to deal with because you always think no matter what with YouTube, you can always make a better thumbnail title. And so even if the concept or even if the video is not performing well, you still think that there's something left in the tank. So that's a, that's also a dangerous cycle. All right, so let's talk about the tour. You know, obviously there's been other things like this, creator classic, the interedimitational. What is it about your golf tour? What is the key for this to be successful? I think there's a lot of keys, but I think one of the main keys is having the people that we do, that we have a part of this tour. I think that the audience getting bought into the actual team element. There is a team element. There are captains and I feel like two degree that this tour is combining a lot of different elements. I don't think it's, it's like a normal tour. You're going to see behind the scenes like when we wake up in the morning and we're strategizing as a team who we're going to send out. Like you're seeing behind the scenes stuff that you've never seen anywhere else. And I think that's what's so different because it is ultra competitive. There's a lot of money on the line. Everybody wants to play well, but you're also getting an inside look into what we're going through as captains and a team who we're going to send out the strategy. And I think that's what's so different from anything out there. Like I always live obviously had the team element. And I think that there's just, I think the team element does work. I really do. I just think it's very, it's interesting how you have to do it to make it work right and people really get bought into it. Well, if you're looking for wild carders, a little outside the YouTube golf space, but still kind of in the golf world. I keep my sticks on me. Come on. Okay, never know. You never know. The wild cards, hey, we already filmed the first one in the wild card aspect of this is probably the best part. It's one of the most, I would say collectively out of all the captains and everyone that came together, we were probably the most proud of the wild card aspect because it was so cool. I'm not going to say who I brought. That's always a surprise. It's cool to see who you bring. But they can make or break the entire event for you. Like if your wild card isn't play good, you're not going to have a good team. So it is very important. Well, I've, you know, I'm a club champion. That's how I talk about it. Do you beat me in the, in the real beach? You waxed me in the queue, dude. I remember that. I remember that. And I still think about that. How bad you beat me. Let's talk about the queue. You were so close. That was, that was a tough watch. What would you, what would you learn about yourself as a competitor in that moment? Well, yeah, I, there's a lot of emotions going on. You actually caught me at the right time right now to like talk about it because it's enough time has passed. But I was working on the week after, you know? No, yeah, for sure. And, and I was, I was riding in the same card as Ryan, obviously getting off to the start that I got off to making four birdies in a row. I had a four shot lead on everybody after four holes. Everyone else was even. So, you know, you know, the thoughts that go through your head that it's like, this is yours to lose. You know, that's the only thought going through my head. And I, I really did like, I felt like I hung in there. Of course, there was some really tricky holes out there. But the fact that, you know, it came down to me and Ryan on the final hole, even though it was unfortunate, I did hit it in the water. It was just a bad shot. I really wasn't too nervous. I was actually feeling really confident in that moment, pulled it left into the water. I think for me, when I, when I really take away from that entire Mertle Beach queue and losing it. I was so happy for Ryan that he was actually able to play in the PJ Tourant. You guys, I mean, he was tied for the lead at one point. >> Yeah, I was just like, I was just really happy with the way it all panned out because Ryan is somebody that has chased the dream and he has gone through the struggles. He has lived out of his car. He was saying, I mean, he's done so many things. He struggled through the pro grind. I don't know if he lived out of his car. That might have been wrong. He's gone through the pro grind and for a guy like him, he has a story when he gets interviewed by the PJ Tour after he has something to like really talk about in the grind and the struggle. Personally, I haven't chased that and I haven't gone through the struggles of trying to be a pro golfer. I've never, that's never been the goal of mine. And so I was just really happy for him. I love Ryan. And yeah, I was just at the end. Yeah, I was just, we've had a great time together and since that moment, I feel like, we've become good friends and yeah, it was just really cool to watch him play in the PJ Tour event. >> So if you were playing, would you have been able to film it the way you wanted? Because I was obviously, that was the sticking point with the other invite. >> Yeah, to be honest, Dan, I don't know. I didn't even, there was some thoughts going through my head on 18 about if I do win this. What am I about to say to the PJ Tour media because they were there on the green waiting for us. So there were some thoughts going through my head. You know, what am I going to say? Because yeah, of course I want to film it. I don't think Ryan Ruffles filmed it though. >> They did do like a documentary thing where he was mic'd up and stuff, but it wasn't, no, it wasn't like what, you know, what you're talking about. >> Yeah, I think personally, if I would have won that queue, I would have foreshared or played in it and I would have been okay without filming it. Just because of how, right, because it doesn't like happened. >> It was through the queue, like it was through the YouTube world. >> Yeah, and personally, I felt like I would have earned, like beating those guys, beating George, beating Kwan, beating all those guys. I mean, Ryan Ruffles, if I were to do that, I feel like at that moment, I would have said, all right, we're not going to film this and I'm still going to play. But yeah. >> So we're dancing around it now. >> You're going to play in a PGA tour event soon. I mean, let's get it. >> I don't know about that. And nothing's been said, nothing's been said since then, but yeah, I mean, if another opportunity like this happens next year and we do win it, that would be cool. But yeah, I mean, I just played in the BMW charity program. Like that was really cool. It felt like I was playing in a big event. And I've never, I'm telling you, I've never been treated that good in my life. Like I was just treated. >> That's like the premiere of like Cornferri event from what I was doing. >> Yeah, I was like Mike McGovern and everybody at the BMW. Like I have never been treated that well. Like I'm telling you, we had a Navy Seal as our driver and he picked us up and they flew us there. It was the most incredible experience. And like the whole week, you have this bodyguard and I'm thinking myself, I'm like, this is not how I live my life. Like I'm good. Like I was trying to tell him, these Navy Seals and the guys that do this, they're locked in. And they're like, yeah, like they take nobody, everybody's out to get me. And so I feel like, yeah, it was interesting trying to tell them like, hey, we would go to dinner and they'd be like, do you need me to come in? And like, I'm like, no, no, I'm good. Like it trust me. I don't need, this is not how I live my life. Like we're all good. But the fact that you have this driver and you get treated like that, it was unbelievable. And crazy story last year. This was actually a funny story. I think I told this before. But last year, I had a seal as my driver. He was a different guy, super nice guy. And we got in late and he picked me up. us up at the airport and we go to the Airbnb that we're staying with our friends this week. And right before we get to the driveway, he asks us, he goes, do you want me to clear the house for you? And I'm like, I was so tired. It was like 11.30 at night. I was like trying to grab my bags out. I'm kind of tired. And I'm like, I don't even remember if I responded. And I think he goes like before we even respond. He's already like busted the door open. Somehow got in the house and he had no idea but my buddy Andrew Cosehan, who was my partner that week, was asleep upstairs with his wife and they had their baby. And he opens up the door. It's got his gun flashlight everything. Like clearing this house, thinking that there's nobody there because I forgot to tell him that my friends are already there. Like I was just trying to get my bags out. Like I wasn't even thinking. And you hear him yelling down to us. It was most absurd thing. And I remember talking to Andrew and his wife after that. They had a flashlight. They woke up out of a deep sleep to a flashlight pointed at them. And he's like yelling at them because he has no idea who they are. But it was a wild story. We still talk about it to this day. But yeah, he was awesome. Yeah, like a guy like that, like you don't mess around with. Yeah, it's like you're the president. You filmed with so many tour players. Scotty aside, I mean, the guys that you would sort of suspect as an answer to this question. Which tour players maybe impress you the most that most people wouldn't think? You impress me the most. Impress now, are you, when you say impressed, is that personality or is that golf game? Golf game. Golf game. Okay. I'm going to pick from a few. But because there's impressive aspects of a lot of the different guys. And first off, I do want to say this that I have had the best experience filming with the pros like the five under challenge. Everybody has been amazing. Like I've never had any bad instances. Like it's been so fun. And that's really cool. Like that's a lot of different personalities, a lot of different guys. I would say one of the most impressive. So there's like, there's three different people I would say or four. You have John Rom. It's one of the most impressive top to bottom. Like unbelievable. Like the way he drives it is insane. Yeah, he drives it great, but he does everything great. John Rom has like no weaknesses. He's the one guy where it's like, it just feels like if he if his games like, if he's just on, it feels like nothing can go wrong. Like if he plays silver leaf, he shoots low 60s just about every time he goes out. It's just like on cruise control, just a whole nother level. So John Rom's unbelievable. I would say Phil Mickelson short game was one of the coolest things that I've got to to spend time around. He took me to his house and we would go to his short game area. He has an insane short game facility that I've finished. Like it's legit. And you know, I spent an hour with him just working on little touchy shots. And I mean, it's just Phil helping me. It's like, I'm watching him hit these shots and I'm just like, I just don't know how he does it. I still don't like, I'm still trying to do it and I can't like I just I don't even know how he does some of the stuff he does. So that's so impressive from the short game. John Rom topped a bottom. And then I'd say Tommy Fleetwood from a robotic sense. I always said he's like, he's literally like a robot. Tommy Fleetwood to me just watching him. Just operate and like when he's over the ball and how he swings, it just feels like he never misses a shot. Tommy. I feel like also like the fact that he has the three quarter like cut off finish with his irons makes it look more robotic. Like he always stops it in the same spot. Yeah, but it's even like the way he like grips everything is just like so steady. Like nothing moves. It's like it's like low on all those machines. And he just doesn't miss the center of the face. It's just he's unbelievable to watch. That's what I'll say. It's a lot different. Like it's so hard for me to pick one, but I'll say Justin Thomas was somebody that I really I just loved watching his golf game growing up. He's one of my favorite golfers. And so getting a film with JT was really, really cool. And he was really impressive in a lot of different ways. JT's just he's so solid. He's just a game too. He gave it to you a little bit in that video. I remember that. Yeah, the final hole like he called the chip in and that was. Yeah. Who one tour player you haven't filmed with yet that you really want to? Rory. I want to do a 500 challenge with Rory. Hopefully that happens. Sometime that happened. Yeah, of course, Tiger. But another one is like Jordan speed. I feel like Jordan's speed has he's really stayed away from the YouTube golf scene, which is fine. But it just makes him more, you know, he's never been seen. So he's like. He's the white whale. Yeah, I've seen Bob does forts. It was like, I think that was Bob's unicorn was Jordan speed too. So it's all yeah, I mean. Yeah, I would say yeah, Jordan speed Rory. Those are the two that are like top of my list. But I've been trying with Keegan definitely want to do some with Keegan. That'd be a lot of fun. He lives here in Jupiter. Cam Young. Potentially him. So a lot of those guys that live here in Jupiter are just, you know, you want to make those happen. All right, my last question for you, what do you think is the smartest decision you've made for your career so far? Oh, man. My mind goes to a couple different spots. I would say the smartest decision I've made was betting on myself going solo. That's for sure the smartest decision I've ever made. But I would also say hiring the right people and having the right team around you is just as important. Because it's one thing going out on your own, but it's another thing having the right people around you. And I would say my managers are both so amazing. And then my videographer sky and having all of the like behind the scenes guys are just so incredible. But yeah, like my manager, Josh and Josh and Joe, both of my managers, like the just the ownership agreements and some of the companies that I'm involved in for wellness, primo, like all that stuff has been so amazing to me because that's outside of YouTube. I've always, when I got into YouTube, I was thinking to myself, I don't want all of my financial side to come from YouTube. I don't want to only make money from that. I want to have things that are outside of YouTube. And so having the right team to, you know, present your value and pitch you is so important. So my team and betting on myself. Well, that's that's the stuff that can out. I don't want to say I'll leave you, but if you decide that you want to spend some more time on the boat, you know, and you don't want to film as many videos, you still have ownership stake in those companies. Exactly. I was thinking about that too, Dan. I was, yeah, I really do think about how can I fish more? That's where my mind's been recently. It's a bad, it's a bad place to be, but I need to start practicing. Like I got it, I got to give back to, to actually really folks who know my golf game because it's been a lot of spear fishing. All right. I like this is the last question. You do a big video, you get a big tour pro, you do a 500 challenge. How many people work on that video? Two. That's it. Two. It used to just be one. This used to be sky. Now we have Jaylen. And he's awesome. You don't bring on like, you know, an agency like you keep it all in house. All in house. Yeah, I don't want. The thing is, well, the only, there could be a third person with graphics. If there's an animation in the intro, we'll outsource that. That's it though. But that doesn't happen every video. Because you want to, there's a style you want to keep it consistent. Yeah. And in skies also like, he's just as picky as I am and he cares just amount, just the same amount as I do. Like he's, he's just as involved. He cares more like it's just, he knows everything. And so I trust him so much that I've gotten to the point where I don't really even proofwatch the videos. So I trust him that much. So if he wants to, you know, there's something that gets left. I've got a lot of power, you know, he's got a lot of power, man. I don't know. Well, I appreciate the plan so much, my friend. Thank you so much. Again, if you're ever looking for a wild card, I'll throw my hat in the ring. I'm ready. Dan, you, yeah, that actually sneaky sneaky. You've been in front of the camera. That's a huge advantage. You like, you're ready to go, man. If we're bringing a wild card in their nervous, like they're already, like you can't keep it, you guys just get into the fire. I'm ready to go. You let me know. I appreciate you, buddy. Absolutely. Thank you, Dan.