Gracie & Molly Carlson on Pro Cliff Diving, Toxic Beauty Standards, & Extreme Bravery

Before college, she became a seven-time national junior champion for Canada. At FHCO, she became a five-time NCAA All-American. After graduation, she decided to take her sport to the next level and by next level, I mean 20 meters up. She joined the Red Bull Clip Diving World Series in 2022 and quickly became a Red Bull sponsored athlete. On a silver medal at World Aquatics, High Diving World Championships in 2023, and was just recently named to Forbes 30 under 30. And then on top of all that, she's garnered an impressive 7.8 million plus followers across all platforms. She is that girl. And not only that, she's created this beautiful community of bravies that she calls Brave Gang. She is that bitch, and she's my bestie, Molly Carlson. Welcome to athletes after hours. What do you say after that? Like, what has everyone been saying? That's crazy. I also feel like I'm just your bestie, so I'm just out here like a normal human without accolades. And then you list them like, ew, we don't talk like that. No, literally. I was like looking back to research and I'm like, holy shit, she did all this stuff. Like, you yesterday, you were in all American. No, no, no, I was like a five time all American. I mean, I'm a three time all American. And I was like, damn. See, as a Canadian, I don't know, like, what kind of deal that is. Fair. Cool. You know, she's not American, but she's a five time all American, casual. Love having me. Oh my gosh, dude. I am so happy in here. So excited. I literally flew all the way to Canada just to hang out with my bestie. Love. Shoot the shit. Destroy my house for this podcast. Literally. We turned to our apartment upside down just to set up this studio. And it is. But we look good. Oh my God. We did a phenomenal job. Job, shout out Aiden for helping you set everything up. I am so grateful for you guys. And it's just, it's been such a long time coming to have this podcast. I mean, you and I have FaceTime so many times where I'm like, I really want to do a podcast. I don't know if I should do it. I'm so scared. And you're like, just pull the trigger. But if there's one person in my life that I know that could bring out in highlight phenomenal stories, like and just make people feel comfortable enough to share their vulnerability. Like you have that talent to bring that out in people. I would have seen it. You've helped Red Bull Cliftyvers who are very shy on camera. Don't speak English. Yeah. Like, channel that and show who they are on the inside. So I know that this was your next step. Like, I was like, yeah, drop the podcast. Like it should have been dropped eight years ago. You're so talented. So it's about damn time. Okay. It's time we're here doing the damn thing. And the graphic is iconic. Thanks. Um, I honestly think this might be the earliest I'll cry in my podcast. Why are you crying? That is the nicest thing I've ever heard of. They just started. This is why you're my best friend. They're so nice. Oh my god. You just made my whole day. I can't tell you guys enough. It's such an awkward and stressful experience. Starting something from scratch and building it from nothing. And I know that you have that experience with building brave gang and building all of your platforms as well. It's like, it's so uncomfy. Yeah. And it requires so much vulnerability on a day to day. But we're out here and we're girlbossing. We're in. You are one of my biggest inspirations when it comes to that stuff. So honored. I am so glad that we get to have a conversation. Why are you inspired by workaholic? But the thing is I truly love what I do. So that makes people around me are like, how do you do it all? I'm like, I really love cliff jumping. I love the brave gang. I love content. Like it's a shame I have three full-time jobs that I love. That's really rare to say. Like people don't love one job. And like for me to love three, I'm just like, damn, I'm really lucky that I'm in this position. Where I can love three things at once. Burnout is 1,000% real and like learning how to have time for eight. And they're have time for my family. You're saying no to things is really hard. But you're going to get there. You're going to learn how to say no to girl. But the more yeses, this is your your yes chapter. This is my yes chapter. This is my son to chapter. Why the fuck not? Why the fuck not? Do the damn thing. Do the damn thing. You only live once. Life's too short. I want to talk about our friendship. Because it's very unique how we even became friends. And I think it is one of the most like special friendships because we are so independently like driven and like sparky. I don't even know how like we're so just you're my soul sister. And so I love that I have you in my life because I don't really know a ton of other people that can really truly relate to me with the content. And being driven in athletics as well and having all of those different things. So I don't know, I want to kind of talk about like how we met. Yeah, wait, I forget how we met because I remember being a hella stalker of you on Instagram. No, of course. And I was like, oh my gosh, I want to meet her. You see, like gymnasts, like I obviously need to go down and make content in L.A. All the time for work. So I was like, I need to meet this girl. We have the same energy kind of giving like girly pop that does bad ass things. Yes. And there's not many of us. Like it's so rare to find someone who's so girly into makeup, into fashion, into just like trends and fun. Yeah. But also doing really extreme things. And when I saw that, I was like, I need to meet this girl. And then I remember reaching out like, I need to be first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I slid in your D.A. I think you literally slid in my D.A. And I had heard rumors that they were interested in hiring you for a Red Bull cliff tie bang. No, you didn't. Yes. And then I was like, in your D.A.s, oh my gosh, is this true? And then you had answered, yes, I'll be in Greece. And then from that point, as soon as we knew we were going to meet. Yeah. Because we didn't actually meet until that competition. Because we had plans. Remember, we had made a plan to shoot a sports swap. Yes. Which was like, really my first ever true sports swap. Yeah. Which is so iconic. And then it's so full circle that we even ended up doing it. Crazy. Again, this trip. But like, we did have plans to have you come out in L.A. And you did come out. But I ended up meeting you even earlier than that. Because of Greece. Yes. So like, we still had that plan. You did bail. We still did it. We did the damn thing. But I met you like a month earlier because of Greece. So fun. And immediately, like literally, we get off the plane and we're in the same airport at the same time. Same outfit. Same outfit. Do you remember that? The Bray asked us to. And everyone's like, I already hate both of these girls. The way we are together. We hadn't even met in person and we were squealing from like other ends of the airport. And I remember all the rebel cliff divers were like, have you guys met before? And I'm like, actually, no. No. But like, that's my girl. Yeah. And then now, everyone just knows that we're just annoying to them. We're copypaced. We're totally entwined. If they're not ready for energy, they cannot be desired. I pray for anyone that's around us when we're together and we have energy. Because we're either this or we're this though. Like, we can co-exist. Yeah. And be on our phones and do our things. And like, focus on our work like we did last night. Yeah. Like, in the gymnastics room, oh my god. It's so fun. But like, I feel so inspired and pushed by you to like send things. Like, you have this weird aura. No. You say you have a weird aura. What a strange aura you have. But you like literally make you want to just do shit. Like, I'm like, oh my god. Should I start a podcast? No. Absolutely not. This is my nightmare. I'll speak on your podcast, but I could never. We'll talk when you retire, okay? Maybe we launch ours together. Oh, they're not ready for that. They're not ready for that. That's my sins. Watch out. No, that'll be iconic. In 2029, we're even more annoying. If I have like two kids at that point. Oh my god, I'm dead. Well, with what man's like, what are we doing? I'm with a single. That's crazy. I'm getting more. Oh my god. No, I kind of, I can see that too, because I am like the hype queen. Yeah. And I can, I think what we know about each other is like, because we do that for one another. Yeah. You are like the person I call when I need to just be hyped up. Yeah. Like, I'm like, I need someone to, I mean, for lack of better words. Like, push me over the edge. Yeah. And you're like, they jump off that cliff. You're so ready. Yeah. I will 1000% answer every phone call. I'll be like, do it. Just do it. Because I know you're ready. You just get in your head. And having friends that know your capabilities and your mind is just so helpful. Like, I call you when I'm like, it's just about content because it's like, I forget it's my second job. Like, I'm an athlete first. Yeah. And then I'm like, why am I? And you're like, it's not that deep. And I'm like, oh, yeah. I can like literally not post today and the world will continue. The world still spends. It's going to be fun. Yeah. And I love that you hold yourself to that standard. I do respect that so much. Yeah. Yeah. We do have to sometimes just like take a step back and realize like, will life go on? It will. Yeah. And how much more valuable is our mental health over anything else? Like the balance. Oh, my God. And you have such minimal space for that balance because your life is so chaotic. I mean, shit. Yesterday was a literal tornado of a day. And I'm sure. for you, you're like just another day, you know? - Oh, girl. - I know it was a lot. - I think I've learned through the chaos, how to find my calm. Well, even when we were talking like you, go to spin class, you do all these activities with people. And I actually find myself super introverted, which is rare. Like people don't expect that out of me, 'cause in person, I give it my all. I wanna be the bubbly fun person, but that like rebuild time needs to be appreciated as well. So like, I will be on my phone and mute. Like I literally go mute for like an hour, just to like rebuild. Well, you see how fast I lose my voice, 'cause I get excited for people. Like if I'm raspy tonight, you know why, 'cause I was screaming for Gracie and the Joe. But I just, I've really learned through the chaos, the beauty of just like being mute is okay. - And hitting the reset button, and just taking time for you. - So nice. - At the end of the day, like if your cup is not full, you can't give to anyone else. You can't give to your sport, you can't give to your activities, can't give you a job. Like so much is asked of you every day. - Yeah. - Unless you're giving to yourself, like there's nothing to give. So I really am proud of you for fighting that balance. - We used to not have the balance. - Oh yeah, we know. - We did hit ourselves. - Yes, we caught that every day. - Burn that was real. - And like I felt like so much of our worth was wrapped up in what we did. And now I feel like we do have such a better grasp of that self-love first. And we're like, if my family loves me, my boyfriend loves me. - Yeah. - Your boyfriend loves you too, but he doesn't loves you too. But like having your core group of people, love it, appreciate you and support you. No matter what, it doesn't matter what comments you get, it doesn't matter what views you get. Yes, it sucks if your views suck. But like at the end of the day, that's really what makes us tick. And what's gonna carry us through every adversity that we've got. - For sure. So I feel like when we started content, that validation from strangers was so high. - Yeah. - Am I cringey? Am I, but now we're so lucky to be in a position where we have made it in a space where we do have followers. We are appreciated. And the right community found us. We have very lovely communities. - Yes, we really do. - So lucky. - Because they're my girly pops, dude. Like I look forward to posting every day because I get to see their comments genuinely. I'm like, my girls are shit like, "Oh, I'm so happy to be solving my video today." You know, like. - Or if we collapse with like a completely different audience in the extreme sport world, I can't do that. I'm collabing with Red Bull all the time and I get the haters that are not my audience at all. - It's so foreign. - But then what is this? - Yes, I'm like, okay, Brad 40 from Mississippi. - Like the man, what is always the man? - But then my community goes in and fights Brad in the comments. And they're like, "Molly's Gorgina today." Like she's killing it. - I love that. I love that they can go to war. - Oh, they go to war. - That's so cute. - I love you. - Brave gang. - Brave gang, love you guys. I love the bravies. Brave is love me too. - I love you. - I love you so many messages. - 'Cause we're the same. - It's so cute. - They're like, "Oh, Molly's unavailable." - Gracie, can you sign this? - Me when I'm competing. - No, literally. - She's also Molly. - Yes, Molly. - Molly, Molly, part two. - Yep, yeah. - For her. - Oh my god, her red, please. - Oh, I basically read her like. - That is the biggest lie of it. - Okay, she is a liar. - I am. Like if I wasn't in the sun, it would be red. - Oh. - I came out in the womb, red. - Oh yeah. (laughing) - I did. - Day one. - Day one. - Anyway. Obviously, we are like sisters now, but we've only known each other for almost three years now. - Yeah. - It's kind of crazy. - Yeah. - It's kind of a long time. - It's like longer than most relationships. - But I feel like I've known each his childhood. - Yeah. - But sadly, I wasn't around. And I don't know much about your childhood, so I kind of want to know a little bit about what makes you you. - Okay. - What's really like your core memory that you've had since childhood, that really kind of set you into motion with your sport? - Oh my goodness. I feel like I'm a really. - It's interesting because I do feel like I'm a strange person. Like I'm, I thought that sounds crazy. - I am a weird aura and she's a strange person. - I, a lot of like really talented athletes are content creators who have made it, come from really healthy backgrounds and I came from a really tough background. I had teenage parents. My mom was 17 when she had, - Kitty, yeah. - When she had my sister in 18 when she had me and we lived out of food banks for my first five years in my life. Super small town, Canada. I grew up on craft dinner for, I don't know if you know what that is, mac and cheese. You know what I mean, like the box is, yeah, stunning. And that was my origins. You know what I mean? You're never gonna make it out of there. Like, and for me, like by five years old, have you heard like you develop all your emotions from like zero to five, like your ability to handle conflict and challenges is like developed then. So it's almost like if you had a tough beginning, you know how to handle it when you're 25. - Wow. - It's actually really cool. So now, anytime something comes up, I'm like, can't be worse than not being fed today. - You just have such a new level of gratitude. - Exactly. - Such a deep, profound feeling of like, I'm so much better off now. - Exactly. - Than when I was before. - I'm so lucky and so grateful. - So lucky. - Like, I feel like I'm never in this position and like, I want to brag about it. Or I want to, I mean, of course, like I'm like, hell, yeah, my life is awesome. But at the end of the day, I'm not calling my mom to like, show off. I'm calling her to be like, okay, what do you need now? Can you fly out? Like, can I fly you out to come to my events? Like, I'm in this beautiful position to now help my family. And that's a really lovely thing. And just this give back feeling. And so when I found diving, I actually started in gymnastics from like six to eight years old. - My girl. - And I loved it. I absolutely loved it. Valt was my favorite. I was just trying to be you on her and ask Valt though. - No, I really liked Valt. Just sprinting and doing crazy things. Because I felt like I got the highest off of it. - Yeah. - But then when I tried a summer camp, when I was like eight years old of diving, my sister was a swimmer. So I'd always go and watch her practice. And I'd be like, this is so boring to watch. - And then in the corner, was just these kiddos jumping off like the 10 meter. - Oh my gosh. - I was like, mom, I want to do that. She straight up said financially, we are not in the position to do two sports at once. If you want to do diving, you have to quit gymnastics. - Hardest decision of my life. - I was like, I have to choose. Like I love both. Like this is so tricky. And I thought that was like gonna be the hardest decision of my life ever. And it was not, obviously. - I think goodness at your tall. - Yeah. - Because it wouldn't have worked out with me. - Oh my gosh. - It wouldn't have worked out in gym. Oh my goodness. - Still not eating disorder, I wouldn't. - That's really dark. - Yeah, we can get to that after. But I made this wish to diving. And I absolutely loved it. Obviously super competitive from day one. I wanted to be the first, the youngest girl to jump off the top platform. Like from very early days. I feel like I was very sendy, which is weird now 'cause as you get older, you don't get a sendy. You get very calculated and very specific in what you do. But I feel like those were my beginnings, dude. Like very, very humble beginnings. And now every adventure I get is just like a blessing. - It's literally a gift every time. - Yes. - As even one you, and I've noticed that about you as well. And I really admire that about you. And I think that's why you're so wildly successful. And what you do, because every time you have a challenge, you have a struggle, you have something blocking your way, you literally are like, thank God I have something blocking my way. - Yeah. - Thank God I even have this opportunity to create chaos. And on top of it all, having hell anxiety. Like I think I thrive in chaos because I don't have to sit in my feelings. And that's something I'm really like trying to work on is like trying not to fill your schedule so you don't avoid your feelings because the more I do, the more cliffs I go to, the more phone calls, the more meetings, the more socials, the more sports swaps, the more podcasts, like I don't have to sit and think about how much I do struggle on the inside because I have since 10 years old I've had anxiety. And it's just been like something that's really, really hard. And I'm not sure. I think it could have stemmed from, I mean obviously genetics, my grandma, my mom, everyone's anxious AF in my family. Everyone's like, oh my God, do we look okay today? We're like, no, we didn't have hot water, so that was good, not really. But at the end of the day, it's just like the young anxiety kind of shaped me into who I am today 'cause now my coping mechanisms for it are so good. - Yeah. - Avoid, I'm just kidding. - Distract. - Yeah, distract. But like trying to settle down and say with it, that's why the off season's really hard for me. It's 'cause there's no weekly adrenaline. It's like, damn, I really have to just sit here and be content with myself, be content with not doing enough. That feeling of not doing enough after a summer of craziness is so high that, I mean, you must get it. There's definitely waves of so much content, events, so many trips with Red Bull, so many opportunities in the summertime. - You're a massive high. - This huge high. - And this huge high. - And the crash is so narrow. - And then the lows can be really low. So that's been like, you have to surround yourself with the right people. - Yeah, keep you completely balanced with the knot. Your nervous system is being attacked that that whole time. Whether you like it or not, your cortisol levels are shooting up to the ceiling. Fricking adrenaline is out the ass. You're just on a high for literally like four months straight. And so I can't even imagine that crash. I mean, I've experienced it for a sure. But I do think that like, yeah, distracting yourself is, it's a tough one because like, I remember, I don't have this like a saying or just like something that people know. But like, if you were to be like, in like a car accident or like a really gnarly injury, but you have a adrenaline going. Yeah. It takes like an hour or two to even realize that you're hurt. Whoa. Yes. So like, it was really interesting. I was talking to a friend of mine. And she wilded situation, but she got jumped in Paris. And she was punched in the face. And she wasn't sure if she had like broken her hand or anything, because she just, or even if she was even stabbed or anything, because she had so much adrenaline, she didn't even think to like, check her body or anything. Wow. And I think that kind of like can relate to that, unlike a grander skill, obviously. If like, you're so busy, you don't even realize you're bleeding. You don't even realize that you're like hurting. That's such a huge thing to realize. It's like, you're so busy. You don't know what's on the inside. Yes. That's deep, I like that analogy, though. Yeah. That happened to me when I slipped in Italy. Yes. I was like, should I do it again? Like, should I go up and try it? Meanwhile, my foot is black and blue, but I didn't even realize till the morning after. And then I had to pull out of the comp, because you're just on this adrenaline, like, oh my god, I'm still alive. Yeah. It's your body weight, I'm talking to you. In case you do need to fire flight, you know? But it's, yeah, it's one of those things where I do think like when we are in that constant state of fight or flight, because we are caching flights, and we're fighting for our lives. For real. Like you on the top of that 20 meter. Like you are going to have this very visceral fight or flight consistently across the board. And it's like, I can't even imagine. And do you go to therapy to deal with that crash? Like how do you cope in those moments when the lights are off and things are a little bit heavier? I definitely have like two forms of therapy. Your girl needs all the therapy. Give me seven forms. Like what else do we need? You wonder why I work out so much? That's your therapy. Oh my god. I'm talking to my therapy. I've realized actually that diving is just my therapy. Like putting my phone down and doing what I love, those two hours without my phone, not that I hate working. Like I do love it, but I just get to put everything down and nothing else matters. And it's just me in the moment. There's something like textually about, is that a word? Textually. Yeah. About the water. Like you're just so in the present when you're diving. Like it's such a new element. You're diving into water. Like it's just so so beautiful to be truly in the moment. And I get that every single day. It's lovely. It's those two hours of just being there for you. But obviously I have a real therapist. Actually, he's better health. Like it's just, I'm gone so much. It's not like I could have in person therapists anyways. So I do virtual therapy. Amazing. Like it's just my check-in calls. I do. I don't have time for her, are you there? But she's like, are you ever coming back? I'm like one day. But I try to really talk to her at least once a month, just to even if my anxiety is on a good level. Yeah. It's still good to talk about it when you're on a high or low. So that's been lovely. And then I also do sports psych, which is really, really important for my sport. Obviously, 90% of it is mental. 10% is, of course, training and being the best athlete you could be. That is literally also the craziest thing to me about your guys' sport is that you guys barely do your actual dives. Like when I started traveling with you guys for Red Bull Clip Diving, I remember asking you like, so how many dives have you done actually off 20 meter? And you're like, like three. No, for real. Like, I can come on one hand. I'm like, what is? It was hard for me to come in from a very traditional diving members every day. So many numbers. If you go to an event, you've done your dive that you're competing at least 100 times. I was going to say, well, over a thousand. Oh my god, probably. Literally. But I would do like 14 volts a day, babe. Like, yes, I was grinding those numbers. Like you put in the work so then it's just automatic, yes. But when you don't get that muscle memory because you don't get that many impacts to save your body off 20 meter, you have to be able to do the visualization of the dive to get the reps in mentally. So we actually spend so much time visualizing ourselves nailing these dives from crazy heights of crazy cliffs, planes, whatever it may be. But your brain has to be so locked in. And my sports bike is phenomenal about being there for kind of my anxious side and my performance side. Because obviously I'm a super competitive person. And I will forever want to nail my dives around the world win events. It's such a crazy feeling when you get a world title. It's insane. I've never won world championships. But I have multiple world cups and Red Bull Cliff diving. Oh, babe, we know. Let's run them off. But I think I have six. And all six of those were just like tears rolling down my eyes, like, holy shit. You just became the best in the world. Like that feeling is insane. My boyfriend does it every weekend. So like we don't have to count here. But when I do it, it's very rare. Because I mean, Rianne is so consistent. And she's such an icon to look up to. But it still feels amazing. But now I'm also learning that you don't need to win to feel proud. And that's what I really worked on with my sports bike was like working with him to know that a fourth place with beautiful dives in front of people you love is like such a great feeling and fighting for that. If you go out and put your heart out there and you come forth, who cares? That feeling's way better than coming first and hating yourself through it and not enjoying it. Even I talked with Aiden about getting first, but doing shitty dives, that sucks. It's just this weird feeling of like, oh, really? I didn't even earn it. That won me. Every time I've won, I've had to be perfection because Rianne is such a-- So good. I'd be so unfaithful. Then I'm like, oh, I need to not mess up at all. When four dives get put together flawlessly, that feeling is you just feel on top of the world. But it's hard to do four in a row, perfect. Your sport is hard, period. Especially when it's off a damn cliff, literally. You might train on a perfect flat 20 meter into flat water. And then you get to Redville cliff diving and they're like, can you jump off of this tiny rock pointed sideways into three meter waves with a bird? Oh, and don't forget the drone. The drone that's going to be in your eyes. And then we'll give you a countdown. So you have to go and arc out down. And I'm like, guys, I think I'm going to quit. I'm even on my name at this point. My brain is literally on the wall. It's too much. And then I still have to go and do a beautiful dive with all of this chaos. And then they're like, watch over the stingray in the water. Yeah, literally. We didn't even have to talk about the jelly. The jelly's in the Philippines. The jelly. Oh my god, the jelly's. Like, I actually, as someone who is probably the biggest pussy on tour, like, everyone knows. I'm very like, I love a platform. She loves the control environment. Love a control environment. Because you can't run for a while. I think my anxiety going into somewhere where I'm not familiar. Yeah. And the heights change. The control. I'm trying to explain this to people. Like, imagine you train your whole life for the 100 meter dash. Yeah. And then on the day of the event, it's 105 meters. Yeah. And you're-- you just don't know what to expect to know how that extra five meters is. Like, it's just-- You know what I might actually be a better comparison? Yeah. What? The beam's four inches wide. Yeah. Imagine it's now three inches wide. Yes. No. Or maybe it's four feet high. Now it's five. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. You have to change everything. So it's just not. My anxiety do be hating a replica of timing. But then if you nail a dive-- Oh my god. --add a red velvet. Oh my god. It's unmatched. So then you get addicted. And then we're a little adrenaline junkies. And we're like, what am I? You guys are little freaks. Oh, crazy. I think what's also the most difficult part for me is, like, as I've been doing this job, I've fallen in love with every single one of you guys. Yeah. And it's like, my empathy levels are so high. And then now I'm like the frickin' little stage mom on the side, like, shaking in my hood, just like, saying actual prayers that you guys are going to be OK. Because it's-- I have so much emotional investment now. And I hope that, like, the sport gets bigger. And people who truly fall in love with you guys as people. Yeah. That's kind of why we're here and why I'm doing this podcast to begin with, because I do think you guys do so much. Yeah. But deserve even more. And, like, you deserve to be, like, cared for. You know what you mean? As a human first. Yes, yes. Because you guys are humans first. And I think if people actually genuinely understood how freaking scary what you guys do is-- Well, you've seen people crash, right? You've been on tour when that happened. Yeah. Me. Well, I'm not actually you, but-- No, but, like, oh, like, I was there for-- For any knockouts, have you seen that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That sounds awesome. Yeah. Seeing a knockout in our sport is, like, one of the most traumatizing things. Because one, you have to compete 30 minutes after you see it. So you're like, OK, compartmentalized. Like, you just saw one of your friends crash. He's going to be fine. He's in good hands. But they might be taking him to the office. hospital like it's not. His legs are swelling and they're full of he's completely out. Disgusting water. But like you have to dive and like don't think about it. It's really tricky and then all you wanted to mean even had this conversation many times and I've always said if I crash I want you to keep diving which is kind of a weird conversation. It isn't really because I know that the rebel cliff diving team or the World Aquatics team whatever event we're at has phenomenal staff taking care of our safety. I will never go to an event that's like sketchy and not the right people for safety safety needs to be first 100% for me to jump and I know that I'll be in the right hands Aiden would just be there to like support you know and I know like for him to miss a calm because I knocked out like I would never want that so then we've had that conversation and I was like what would you do if I knocked out he's like or the opposite I'd be like I'm on my way I'm not competing if Aiden never knocks out yeah scratch me I know I was like you wouldn't absolutely not if my man's like which praying that never happens it's a cat like I mean thinkfully like well I guess if it were to happen in warm-ups but like I was like thankfully he goes after you so yes yes that's what I always say like thank god girls at first yeah for those of you listening that don't know Molly and Aiden's dynamic they are both Red Bull clip divers and they're dating and you guys have been dating for how long it's been four and a half years now has it really yeah actually a journey we met 2021 in Ireland wow one of it we were both wild cards on the tour like not at all permanent on the World Series and we showed up I'd been messaging him I was into him from like Dave I thought he was so confident when he went and got third place as the youngest ever podium finisher in Red Bull Clifftiving I didn't even know what Red Bull Kits time yeah for real I think he was like 17 at the time I was like oh that's my time I don't know what 21 okay really three and a half years apart that's all that bad that's fine and I remember 23 okay he's 24 next month but I saw I'm in just his confidence doing this sport at such a young age I was just super inspired by that because I've never had confidence doing anything like it takes a lot from you know absolutely and this man just like goes out and he's just so proud of who he is it's really cool to see like we're completely opposites in my head and just watching that as soon as I met him I was like this is my person dude like I don't care how long it takes for you to date me but I'm locked in and like we were best friends from day one and then at some point we just face after that event we face timed every day after and three months later he just flew to Canada and asked me to be his girlfriend I was like period and I was like yeah easiest yes I'm perfect yeah I thought we were already dating and since yeah I was like babes I mean together since like since I saw you on my head we've been dating since negative days girls manifest your man okay they will come around but no for real I think it's so lovely traveling the world with your partner that gets it yes and just having someone in your corner with this crazy chaotic life yeah I don't think I could ever date someone with an office job like it's no been there tried that they don't get it girl no they don't get it but also like how cool is it that you get to travel the world and then be like hey we want to like stay a few days in this awesome country that we've never been to and explore like yeah that's the dream oh I'm looking for that is I still have this job with red book lip-diving and I'm like I would love for a partner to be able to fly out and meet me in freaking Bali and I'm like let's go explore all the islands like the fuck out that's the dream and everyone's always like don't date people that do the same job as you don't date in your circle yeah I'm like hell yeah day in your circle when they get it yeah to if they're not a psychopath they won't be jealous like apart if Aiden wins I'm so damn proud of him I don't give an F if I'm literally night yeah that day like I mean obviously I'll be crying in the corner at myself but I'm so that nothing makes me more proud than when he goes out and does what he loves and kills it and he does the same like he'll never be jealous of my followers or my like it's just like having someone to do it with that's supportive of it and not jealous it's hard to find do they're super lucky it's the bridge I'm looking you got to find the European I can definitely attest to that because I I really admire how it is so supportive of you and jealous and I think that also is kind of part of your sport like I I noticed like the dynamic of your guys is sport yeah is so positive you need to because there's so much risk that if there was anything that were to happen to anyone like you guys want to be like yes thank God they're out of the right like you guys are just I hope they're okay there's so much but you guys have so much respect for one another exactly for even doing the sport as a whole that there's like love there's no really like true competition yes there's like friendly competition but right you're not like hoping they mess up that's the most accurate thing because you don't ever want to look up and wish bad on someone doing this sport all you want is their safety all you want is is just good safe times you know when we hug each other good luck everyone hugs each other it's a good thing I've ever seen good luck safe times yeah every time it's like you have to say it's like break a leg yeah say good luck safe times and that's just like our vibe it's a family and like whether or not we're competitive of course we're all trying to be the best but you will never see someone praying for someone to crash that's just like not okay so toxic and if you are that person like you'll get very booted from the family very yes and you will have some really gnarly karma karma like there's no way um okay I want to quickly shift gears yeah because there's another reason why we're so close yes we have some trauma bonds oh gosh do you know what you want to talking about I'm like how many yeah maybe body image body it's a good one you're favorite topic yes kind of want to just unpack really where it all began yeah um you're very vocal on your socials about your body image yeah and your struggles with body image yeah where did the body image issues begin yeah I think like the easiest answer for me was falling in love with a sport that you don't fit into categorically I absolutely loved diving from day one of doing it but everyone you see winning the Olympics is 90 pounds and stick thin and probably shorter than 5 foot 3 you know what I mean and your girl is a solid 5 foot 7 and I was very tall very fast like I was probably 5 foot 7 in like I don't know 15 you know what I mean yeah and so kind of in the prime era of starting to try to qualify for the Olympics you're already super tall and with that comes kind of just this light discrimination from others of pre-selections and people picking it's funny me and my best friend Kaylee are best friends now but we were always pinned against each other because I had the grace and the beauty of the the length and what the judges want to see in those simple dives she couldn't do a simple dive to save her life love you girl but then I couldn't do but then I couldn't do the massive spinny dives that she could at all because I'm tall and she could spin so fast and get that all that done in the air and so just this comparison of yourself as a kid starts really really young yeah and I think for sure by the time I was 12 years old I was trying to look different than than what I was and that's really damn hard as a kid you're just picking yourself apart every 100% and you're you're showing up to practice and the thing with our sport is you're in a swimsuit every day of your life you can't avoid it so you're showing up to practice and you're absolutely already thinking about okay this girl on the other side of the country is doing these dives because she looks this way maybe I just have to get skinnier and that sucks that thought at 12 years old you can't go over slushies with your best friends because you're trying to look like an impossible version of yourself no way a five with seven girl can be 90 pounds like it's just not okay and so just having these thoughts so young you too you the comparison in gymnastics is yeah so similar then you put judges on top and you're told every single day you're not a perfect 10 and you're like oh I really hate myself yeah it's just like we both grew up in sports where we were literally judged for living literally and if we wonder why we're so you know effed up in the head but like it's such a toxic mindset to have growing up I think especially when you're going through that awkward phase of yeah you're getting your period you're you know you're developing yeah maybe you're gaining weight because it's just the way life goes when you go through puberty you get boobs I didn't but yeah some people do can't relate yeah yeah and I think that like When those drastic things change and Maybe some of the athletes that you're around don't go through it. Yeah, then it's also like I never really went through puberty until I was in my late 20s. I don't know late 20s my late teens. Yeah, maybe early 20s and so For me it was almost like the opposite like I was like why do I still look like a little boy? Right in comparison to these girls who like look like Young girls and women, you know, and I remember like growing up like Being so insecure about my arms. Your arms so insecure Because I was so strong. Yeah, and like it's still a trigger to this day I feel like even in the gym today. We were working out together and you're just like I hate how Strong I am in my arms like it's just so easy for you. Yeah, and you're still saying it to this day But not in a toxic way It's just like that stayed with you, and it's crazy what our minds teach us when we are going through those hard times That stay with us even today. I was eating a rap at lunch after a very long training session And I was like I in my head. I'm like I can't finish like you know the butt of the rap. It's just like bread It's like oh my god like yeah, absolutely not. Why would you eat that? Yeah, it's just like crazy these These things in your hands Oh my god, but remember when I like used to not even be able to eat the tortilla part Sorry, like I remember wanting to take off both sides of the bread and only eat like the lettuce and the meat And it was after me and I'm literally famished You're like, and I'm like, I can't have the bread or I remember one time crashing the freak out because Jimmy John's put mayo on my The mayo and I'm like mayo And I was a damn freaking out 100 calories goop of peanut butter. Yeah, like I want 17 I think that's where my binge eating disorder became really evident Oh, you got into the binge eating as well. It was so bingey because five days a week. You're in a swim suit Yeah, and then two days you don't have to show your body to anyone and those Friday nights after a week of Hella training 30 hours a week starving yourself like absolutely restrict restrict or strict like maybe three almonds at lunch like it was brutal Yeah, and then you get home on Friday night after practice and I would just eat like I would black out I think like it was just no one there. You saw red. You saw red eat everything in the house order things Like steal my mom's phone somehow order things to the house like it was so difficult because then the guilt and the The fear of oh my gosh everyone on Monday's gonna see what I just ate. It was this constant cycle of just like How many times can you put your body through this terrible pattern before you realize loving yourself is just so much Nice sir. It's so much easier so much nicer. It is so much nicer dude. I literally remember when I first Felt self-love. I like sobbed. Yeah, I was like so this is what it feels like. It's like giving yourself a hug It's like why like and I changed my my phone screen to a photo of like baby me Oh, why am I gonna cry? Because I heard that like if you see a baby photo of you, then you just you don't want to let her down because you're like Why are you being so mean to her like she's just a girl? That's so beautiful. Yeah, it's like it's and it really helps so much every day because I do Still be myself up on a daily basis and it's like remembering that and it's like it's never that fucking deep Just be kind to yourself But it is hard. Yeah, but for you to be able to do it for that little girl that loves jam. Yeah Like you're still out here flipping for a damn living because you love it Yeah, and it's not about people are not coming to your page. You're beautiful when you cry by the way Everyone's zoom in on crazy. She looks stunning when she cries Oh, is it your first cry on your podcast? No, she actually cries every episode Get ready This is why I started my podcast guys just to fucking cry for you guys Oh, I love but just like doing it for her and In the little you that like loves it deep down and no one is going to your social media Because of the way you look no one's like I want to look like Gracie That's why I'm following her everyone's going for that beautiful energy you give them and that feeling of pure joy doing what you love Yeah, it just resonates with people and people want to watch people do what they love like that's what I've noticed is like Everyone comes to our pages and our beautiful communities because it feels safe and we don't judge there We're a safe space. Yeah, and while our bodies may look teased some days and we might still pose bikini pegs and you better come in okay But like that's more self love. We're not even doing a validation. We're not doing it for attention Like we're doing because we actually love our bodies now and we love our skin Like I've been in the best shape of my fucking life. Yep, and I still hated myself for god less. Yeah, it didn't matter It didn't really did not matter looking back on a lot of my career The hardest times Where would the best career moments? Yes, and I was gonna ask you like can you relate to that and kind of your biggest most triumphant moments of your career like where you miserable Oh huge question, but There's like one Moment in my it's funny because my career I feel like started at 10 like in our lives It is, but there's one more than our whole life But there's one more moment. I've never actually shared with the world and I really thought this would be a safe space to talk about it Because you just make me feel so comfortable, but You're getting emotional now, but I love you, but at 12 years old I My body started changing and I really Hated how fast it was changing and these were the first thoughts of Suicide that I've ever had in my life. Yeah And for a 12 year old to go through that was really scary And because of the way my body looked and for someone to go through that and to think that Their bodies the reason they should end it is really really scary and I remember just being miserable for like easily For four months of this these feelings and then at one point my mom Notice things and she said You're really really not enjoying practice like why don't you open up and tell me what's going on and I just remember getting in that car and telling her About my mental health for the first time and just sobbing And she was the best like Person in the world in that moment just like so there for me so She's like you could quit any day and you're beautiful. You could do anything you want and it doesn't matter If this sports making you miserable like We're out. What do you want to do? We can fly to Europe. I'm so fucked like my mom really said your 12 Let's quit school. Let's quit diving. Let's quit everything because all she wanted was for me to be happy and to be there And that was really hard and like I can't even imagine having a baby girl that like Hates herself so much to that point. Yeah, and I'm really wanted to tell me that like off camera, but it just came up here But I think that's that was my life changing moment was opening up about my mental health to my mom for the first time to anyone for the first time And knowing that it got that serious was really hard for me and then from that point I went to therapy from from 12 on and it just changed my life and it As soon as you tell one person It becomes so real that you're worth it and that was really special for me was like now every time I don't feel like I'm enough or I don't feel like I'm okay or I hate my body that day. I'm like, but I'm here and this life is so damn beautiful and it's so worth it and I don't want to I wouldn't want it any other way. So sometimes you just got to talk about your feelings dude. Oh my god. Baby, Ma I'm sorry. I got so deep there, but like I really Kind of hug We're here girl. I love you I'm literally looking like a baby All these shit dude Everything it's just like it's also one of those things like I'm so protective of my friends But like literally breaks my heart that you've been I wasn't there Oh shit. I would have been such a great person. I talked to you in that moment. Oh, when did you decide? Oh and like but you know kiddie Yeah kiddie has in the back kiddie went full mama bear and she goes no one even my girl's thoughts Won't stop my daughter from loving herself and from that point like she just became my person to And it's hard. It's hard to know who is your person Yeah, because like friends at school wouldn't get it. No, they'd be like why are you caring so much like you know what I mean? Like they're just like why do you care what you look like like you do cool things like it's just even now like Aiden is so just like he's never had anxiety or depression in his life that he's just a body image issues I will, I will build you a house, but like, and I'm here for you, I'm here through anything, but like call your mom when it gets home. - And Kitty's just the person I talk to to this day about that stuff, and I mean, it's changed my life truly, and I think just having that moment in my career be able to start my therapy young helped me love it again, and helped me find that it's about so much more than your damn body. - Yeah. - To message of the whole story. - No, literally though. - Was that. - I mean, you healed so many parts of yourself in that moment, because I think a lot of times, what's so scary about eating disorders is it's, you're so alone. - Yeah. - And that's the scariest part. It's like, you are in your own head, you're by yourself, you isolate yourself. Like, I remember-- - The isolation. - The isolation was crazy. I remember people would ask me like, "Oh, do you want to come with us? We're gonna go grab pizza." And I'm like, "I have anxiety, I can't eat pizza." So they're gonna judge me if I get a salad. I just can't go, it's where I just wouldn't go. Or like parties, like drinking as, you know, calories. And I'm like, I'm not, and then you, you know, you get drunk and you eat food. And I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. I need to train and I need to be the best I can possibly be. And I just like held myself to such an impossible standard where I just was so isolated and obsessive over every little thing. And it was like, literally for what? - For what? For who? - I just want to give that girl hug. That was what the hell. - We all just need a hug, okay? - We just need a hug. And like, if you're a mom, they're listening. Like, give your baby dollar hug because like, I wouldn't be here without my mom either. Like, when I was going through some really heavy stuff in college, she moved me out of my apartment. - Yep. - That I was with. I was with like a bunch of girls in a house and I was miserable and she was like, I don't care your mental health is worth way more. It doesn't matter how much it costs. We're gonna just get you another apartment and thank God because I lived alone, but it was like the best decision for me and my mental health. - Lorraine. - She literally, she's like, whatever it costs, it's fine. - Whatever, take it as long as you're here with me. - And moms, I drop everything to just make sure their kids mental health is okay. - Oh, she drove up that day when I called her. - The damn heroes of the world. - Literally. - She's the reason I'm still here to this day. So shout out Lorraine, shout out Kitty. - Lorraine, Kitty, we love you. - We would love to be here, we would love to. - It's so fun. - And we know too that they're gonna be the first ones listening to this podcast. - Oh my God. - So they're engaging. - Oh, they're like, get her views out. - There's nothing to see. - There's nothing to all their friends. Please go listen, my daughter's watching a podcast. - So cute. - Oh my God. - I feel like we needed to let that out. - Bro, I needed to purge my, I can't, you already know I've been needing a good cry. - The thing with Gracie is that like, I look at you and I'm like, I wanna tell you my deepest darkest secrets. You have these damn like vulnerable eyes. Where I'm like, I will, I will tell you everything. And it's just like, I've wanted to talk about that for a really long time anyways. And so this whole process has been really lovely. I just, I was like, I wanted to talk about it. And that felt really nice to finally say it. - I'm proud of you. - I'm really, really proud of you. - After hours, you're allowed to cry. - Yeah. - Oh my God, crying isn't cringe. But it's after hours. We don't care. This is not mainstream media. - It's actually a prerequisite for the next person. - I have to have tissues like on my side table now. - Well, damn, my house needs fucking tissue. (laughing) - Oh my God, no, but I will say one thing. I think people that are listening that are in it, I know that there are some people listening right now that are in the thick of it, especially with all this crap happening right now with the GLP ones. And just all of this weird food noise getting shoved on our throats. I want you to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and also understand, like, it was so crucial for Molly to talk to somebody. - Yes. - And the moment you did, look what it did for you. - Exactly. - And like, yes, you had to go to a really dark place to get to that moment of, oh my gosh. And so like, maybe save yourself from the dark place and just talk to somebody. - Yeah. - See what happens. - And it doesn't have to be in person these days either. - No. - Like, there's so many virtual hotlines. - Yeah. - Just like, if I was a kid, like even kid's help phone or not there's becoming an ad for like all these stuff. - I know what I know, you just worked with them. - But I just worked with kids help phone. - I thought it was so fun. - And they had that. - And they're so lovely. And like, if I was that 12-year-old girl to nervous to talk to my mom first, maybe just having those resources now are phenomenal. - Yes. - And I think, it just, it truly saved my life and I could say that openly. And it's just like, I know it'll save more. And I think the work that we do in these conversations and on our social media, like we're just helping people know that it's not about your damn appearance. It's about the joy and the energy you want to bring to the world. And that's way more important than your appearance. - I love that. I always say the way you look is the least interesting thing about me. - Period. - Like literally the way I look is the least interesting thing about me. - Even though you look stunning. - You're so funny. (all laughing) - So dumb, I can't. - Yeah. - Really? Oh my god. - I remember my phone. - Definitely. - Okay, I need to go back in the day. - I do this every time, dude. I literally will sob uncontrollably. And I just have like this energy over me that just is like a completely different person. - Oh my god, we need to get out for those frizzes. - We need to drink up to this. - I can't. - Responsibly, of course. - Well, literally, I already knew I wasn't gonna need these damn cards, because you're just my girl. And you literally do heal a part of me in the sense of like, I struggled so much with making friends growing up and like to meet the girls. - A doll friend is hard too. - A doll friend's are so hard. - Oh my god. 'Cause you're in different phases of your life sometimes, especially with people like you and me, where our lives are so weird and so unique that like, not a lot of people can really relate. And that's why again, I feel like you are like my soul sister because we understand it. We understand the grind, we understand the travel, we understand everything. Obviously, I'm on a little bit of a smaller scale, but like, girl, buy. You're gonna play in every weekend, don't you? - But we get it. And like, I've learned that the friends you can call up after six months of being mute from each other, and they will drop it and just show up. On days you just wanna ball your face off. Those are the real ones. Those are the damn real ones. And I've learned not a single one of my besties lives in Montreal. I got Kaleo in Calgary, I got Aida now in Gaden. We call him Gaden, Mr. Dragun. But he's down in Vancouver. I got you out in LA, Zanny out in Australia. - Just all these beautiful people. And who cares if they're long distance? You could absolutely have virtual, amazing friends now. And that's really saved my life as well. It's just like knowing that it's okay to not have people in your city because they still count, no matter where they are. - It's really in your city, babe. - That really doesn't mean that. - Am I even here? - Yeah, are you even here? I mean, yeah, I think that's really been like the healthiest balance for you because you, I mean, then you get to look forward to seeing all your besties on tour. - Yes. - And like, that's also my favorite part. It's like, girls on freaking tour. - Girls on tour. - And like, you gotta stay tuned. 'Cause girls on tour is about to pop off. It's gonna be so tough. - They're not ready. Should we like turn it into like a reality TV show? Should we pitch it to Red Bull? - They would so eat that out. - Oh my god, they'd be so into it. - All right, Red Bull has up. Anyways, we have talked about so many amazing things. And I do think that our audience is gonna have so many incredible takeaways. But I also love incorporating my audience. And I know that you love chatting with yours as well. - Yes. - So I thought it'd be really fun to do my favorite little segment called Dear Athlete. And it's like a little advice column. - Her thoughts. - Where you guys ask us questions and then we give you advice and just our own perspective on things. So first question, I think this is so unbranded for you is why I picked it. How do I cope with fear of failure? - Oh girl, it'll never end, let me tell you that. Fear of failure will forever come find you. And I feel like as you try new adventures, as you step out of your comfort zone, my thing is the only way to a better you is out of your comfort zone. - Facts. - Learning to appreciate fear has been something I've really channeled and you have to just accept that it should be there. Fear is there to keep you safe. - I was just gonna say fear is also, it means that you're living. - Yes. - If you're not afraid, if you're not uncomfortable, you're not growing. - Oh, that little bit of adrenaline before you give a speech. - Oh, it gives me life, yes. - Put your hair on your chest. - Yeah, you're dead. - That's adrenaline, dude. - Yes. - And so I think with cliff diving, I've really learned that fear should absolutely be there. And you just respect it. You literally say, hey girl, thanks for being here, thanks for protecting me. I'm gonna, I worked with my sports bike on this and you just like set it off to the side 'cause if you let fear be right here for those of you listening, my hand is in front of my eyes. And you're blocked, right? Your fear is eating you up, you're not whatever, you're fear of failure. Oh my gosh, what are they gonna think of me? What are all these thoughts are not letting you do what you're trying to do to the best of your ability. So if you just respect that fear, you move your hand to the side, you let it coexist with what you're about to try to do. And you just try your best and put your energy into something positive in front of you. You're gonna have a way better chance at performing to the best of your ability and whatever it may be, maybe that test, maybe that new cartwheel, maybe that, you know, cliff time, whatever it is. Like if that fear isn't at the forefront, but just co-exist, then you got it, girl. - All right, I can agree to that as well, because I feel like in gymnastics, fear is such a big component. I love the sport. It's freaking scary. - Yeah. - But if you wear fear like a blindfold, you're gonna, you're gonna struggle. - Exactly. - But maybe if you wear, wear fear like pants. The girl pants. (laughing) - You'll be a lot better off. - Put on your fear pants. (laughing) That's great. Put on your fear pants, loans. - And get up there, girl. Put on your big, girl panties if you're fear pants. (laughing) - Next question. How do I deal with a bad body image day? - Oh, girl. - Oh, girl. - How many have we had? - There's gonna be lots of these as well. I think that's the common theme with all these feelings that come up. The anxiety, the, what do I look like today? Oh my gosh, it's a bad body image day. Oh, I'm bloated. I'm on my period, whatever it may be. Like, these are gonna come up too. And I actually got this tattoo. For that like this too, shall pass, meaning? - Oh, I love that. - It's like the three dots. Like, it will continue. - Yeah. - Little did I know the three dots on your finger is a gang tattoo. (laughing) - Hate that for me. (laughing) I truly thought I was getting it for your side. (laughing) Anyways, they really do that in prison. (laughing) Back to this. - That's true. - On a bad body image day, you just gotta remember it's gonna pass. The bloating will go down. You're gonna look a whole, the thing is your body fluctuates so much and it's gonna look so different within 24 hours of each other. Some days, you're gonna look so much, just like water weight or whatever it may be and the next day, so different. And you just have to be kind to yourself through all the fluctuations. And I think that's also part of living. - Is, is your body-- - There's ebbs and flows. - Your body is your vessel of living and you gotta treat it with respect so that you can go out and do amazing things. - And I think too, we as a society obsess so much over how we look and not about how we feel. - Yeah. - If you feel strong and you feel healthy, one, it's a nice fun byproduct. You will look great. - Yeah. - But also, who gives a fuck? - Yeah. - If you feel healthy, like there's some girls out there who are so unbelievably healthy and strong. - Yeah. - And they may just be a little bit bigger. And that's okay. - Yeah. - So long as they know that they're healthy and they're living a very balanced lifestyle, because that's what's gonna give you a long journey. That's what's gonna help you when you're 80 years old and you need to stand up and carry things. Like, you will have this strength and the stamina to be able to do that. And I think growing up too with a grandma who's now 96 years old and walks six miles a day and has a batting year. - That's where you get it from. - She's my husband. - This walk of class. - Oh my God. - And start the clip of me visiting my grandma in Norway and she, I was doing a little home workout with weights. And it was hard, babe. I'm sweating. And she walks behind me, grabs some weights, doesn't even just do a body weight, grabs weights and starts doing it with me at the ripe age of 96. - As you should. And I'm like, what's out 100? And I think too, like my parents as well, are living such a healthy lifestyle. They don't really drink alcohol. They work out every day. They move their bodies and they do it because they love it, not because they have to. - Yeah. - And I think that's the key. - It's the healthy lifestyle is the key. - 100%. - It's so big. Anyways, how can I be more brave on a daily basis, Ms. Brady? - Oh, how to be more brave on a daily basis? Here's the damn thing. Recognize that you already are brave on a daily basis. I think a lot of people think they have to go out and do something brave every day to feel that achievement. But really, you just have to sit down and be like, holy shit, I got up today on an anxious day and I went to school. - Yes. - That's right. - Checkmark, literally give yourself a gold star. Me and Aiden, we bought gold stars last year because we just so precious. - We started celebrating the little things. And you have to, you have to celebrate the little things because every little thing leads up to the big things. - Things. - Absolutely. And so if you could recognize that you're already doing brave things. And if you're feeling like you don't want to do something brave, find something little in the house. If you're having that super anxious day, you just lay low, put your phone down for 30 minutes. - That's a win. - That's so damn brave. That is a win. - Because all you want to do when you're in that anxious mind says, scroll and compare yourself. Get those dopamine hits. - Do not sit with your feelings. - Exactly. - Sitting with your feelings is so brave. So if you can just appreciate that you're already damn brave. - I love that. - That's the key. - I love that. And I think yeah, like appreciating the wins every day give yourself a little baby wins. Like noticing too that like if you're going to hype up your best friend, you should be able to hype up yourself too. - Period. - That's being brave. - Would you speak to your best friend? - What is something that you wish you could tell your younger self? - We're done crying actually. Like I can't even look. Don't give me those eyes of like tell me something vulnerable. - No, I think if there's one thing I would tell my younger self, it's just to enjoy the moment. That's so cliche. I hated that. - No, I know. But I think-- - It's so special though, because your life is so fast. - Yes. And with the anxiety, I was always chasing the next best thing never living in the moment. And if little mall could see all the crazy things that she's done now and know that they were coming, like she would have been able to enjoy those younger years more. And I think that's just something I would preach to every younger kid out there. It's just like you're going to grow up fast. And it's just going to get tougher and tougher to be kind to yourself when life throws things at you. - So try to enjoy those moments where you're living at home. You've got a stocked rich girl. Go make smores with your besties. I don't know, just like be present. - Be present, I think with social media too. Now these days is comparison is, if I grew up with social media, I got my first one when I was like-- - It'd be a doctor fire. - Maybe 14, you know what I mean? But these kiddos, having like TikTok at nine years old, comparing themselves to literally 27-year-old. - And wanting to grow up. - Yes, and wanting to make up and dressing older, like it's crazy. - Just take it slow, take it slow. - I still want to be a kid. - What do you think I still do this shit? - Yeah, exactly. - Like I literally am healing my inner child every time I learn new sport. Like this is what it's all about. And I think one, being older is kind of overrated. Like being grown up sucks, just be a kid. Enjoy it, be present. But also like, I don't know who cares. - Who cares? - Like, we're all on a floating rock, and we're all going to die at some point. - It's crazy. - It's really not that deep. We're gonna be okay. - Moral of the story, it's not that deep. Enjoy the moment. Get out there. Let's dance. - Let's dance. - Oh my god, well, thank you so much. - This was a lot. - This was a lot. I knew it was gonna be a lot. That's why we made sure to live in the best way. - Yeah. - No, and again, like you make everyone feel so safe in your presence to just be themselves, and that's something you always have. And that's why you'll forever be my bestie because I can call you when I just need to be. If I do anything crazy messed up, I'm calling you, girl, because there's no judgment. - No, never. - Never. - Oh yeah, if you want me to help you bury the body, let me know. - If I get canceled, like you're my first call, because like, we'll figure it out. Don't cancel. - You will not get canceled, I promise you that. - You never know. - With my gang tattoo. (laughing) - But at the end of the day, I'm just so grateful we had this combo and please flood a Montreal more often. - I honestly will. I mean, I always just about to say, like, I'm so glad before this episode, we went in, for my words, I always say, go touch some grass, rod yourself, you know, get a grasp of life. But we got to go touch some snow. - No grass here. - I did do a little snow angel. - It was here. - And I think it was really special to just be with you and be present. It was our first kind of moment that we got to just be with one another and not be like working and doing stuff. - Yeah. - And it reminded me that, like, we're rare gems. And I'm just so glad that we were able to find each other at some point in our lives. And I know that we'll be in our lives, probably till the end of time. - Sorry, Aiden, she's officially joining our relationship. I'm in a trouble now. (laughing) No, I literally called you guys mom and dad. Like, you're literally, I'm moving in. - As you should, you're always welcome. Thank you for this. I love you so much. - I love you so much. Be sure to follow her on everything. She is an incredible icon. And it shows school every day. You pop up with my feet. You make my day better. So I know that you have that effect on every single person that follows you. And also, I'll see you next Wednesday. (screaming) You better listen! (laughing) Love you guys.