GOV. WES MOORE Talks Military Service, Iran War, Oprah

So I guess like the first thing that brought you to prominence is that correct is that book you wrote about the other Westmore, yeah, prominence, wow, yeah, would you write a sequel the other other Westmore because we find this guy Westmore and he posted on January 6th, 2019, he got four likes for this he said I heart boobs [Music] Hello and welcome to the Adam Friedland show I'm Adam Friedland real quick there are a couple tickets left to the region theater main 9th Netflix is a joke festival and I didn't tell you guys I'm going to the brunch at 10 Cerandos's house I'm so nervous region theater main 9th first show sold out there's a 945 that they added a couple tickets remain also San Francisco California end of the month Portland Oregon more Democrat cities to follow failed states I call them failed states in addition if you want to support the show please sign up for Friedland family foundation here on youtube.com you can click to join and be a member there's something about what it's called the note my guess this week is Westmore and I know you're thinking Westmore the drug dealer the robber the killer and for those of you who think that that maybe take a look at hard long hard look in the mirror because there's a different Westmore another Westmore a governor of Maryland Westmore and an author of the other Westmore one name two fates Westmore Westmore is up for reelection currently in Maryland after first taking office in 2023 his first race for anything in his entire life but despite that impending race I was shocked to see his name listed on every major prediction market site as a potential candidate for the next president of these these United States but after two hours here in the studio it started to make sense he was acting well like the president he was talking to people he was talking to me who shaken people's hands and he even wore pretty nice clothes so I've come I've come up with a little plan I was inspired by what I saw in this prediction markets and so at the end of the episode I want you to pay special attention to I think you'll you'll figure it out but legally I have to just say I'm not a financial advisor nothing I say constitutes financial advice or a recommendation to buy slash sell slash bet pass performance does not guarantee future results betting slash gambling carries the risk of total loss and I'm not going to say anything further and by the way I don't even mean anything that I just said so please enjoy what I said with Westmore ladies and gentlemen governor Maryland Westmore give it up for how are you doing we talked on the phone yesterday we were just we were saying some wild things yeah it was like the conversations comics have backstage you know it was great that was like we're in the comedy mothership green room and we had no ease we had all the boys are thanks for coming on and listen I've been looking forward to this I told you I'm a fan good you're in the fight of your life right now for your political career I'm for re-election of the governor I am I am I'm excited about where for where we're feeling good you're feeling good you're running for re-election of Maryland yes and this is one of your you've left the state in the middle of the work week and he's come here we really appreciate you coming as a campaign stop yes to a Jewish person YouTube show for your re-election for governor of Maryland you you were saying before he's been going to church every day you praying on this election every day every week okay good yeah every it looks tight Republican is at 28% and the third party candidate how do you feel about don't know at 16% well you know it's crazy in my first poll when I was running for governor I'm not voting was pulling higher than Westmore so I'm feeling better now so you're you're like a come back kid you like that it's a it's a position that I'm very comfortable being it was it your first election ever even class president ever no listen I had never run for anything but I've got one for any political office before my life that's kind of it's like kind of not fair to the other guys that are trying to run for things right well you know skipped yeah well no it well you know it's funny they try to argue that they're like he what is he he didn't wait his turn no cost no cost no coconuts they said that to you how do you feel about the dark horse in the race someone else at 6% right now we we have our eye on them someone so this is surely you're up it's it looks like 25% right now you're in the fight of your life you're praying praying for this governor I've I really enjoyed both our conversation yesterday and and learning about you but you're from you're from the city actually you grew up yeah I spent part of my childhood in the Bronx in the Bronx yeah I spent part of my child in the Bronx so after I was born down in Maryland and my dad died when I was young so my mom has to live with my grandparents who were living up in the Bronx your family's Jamaica yeah my my family my grandfather was actually born in the U.S. but but actually fled the U.S. when he was young but was raised in Jamaica my grandmother was born in Cuba and then went to Jamaica because her father got a job what made him flee he was actually pushed out by the Ku Klux Klan put really yeah so my great grandfather was a minister oh and he was a very vocal minister and the and he was loud yeah he was he was loud yeah he was loud and and eventually got the attention of the Ku Klux Klan what are your major threats this was God I don't know what year it was in South Carolina South Carolina and so he was American guy that moved to Jamaica well he was actually Jamaican who moved to the United States and he's like it sucks here yeah and was like I'm giving my family out and they and they and they left it's nicer to make it it's like they were people aren't threatening us how's the response why it's actually not bad I had a roommate in college I was Jamaican and he'd be like yeah so anyway and then he'd pick up the phone he'd be like you know ear me now ear me now yeah it was awesome yeah you sound like what's that I said I want to do the pot 100 number uh miss Cleo miss Cleo you know yeah I was doing a miss Cleo no I was doing a impression my college wait my friend my friend sent me this clip this funny he said this is so funny and I just didn't understand what the guy was saying uh-oh can you tell me so you are you could like can you translate let's give it a shot I'll let you know tell me what this this people forget the pot was actually like it's a real language like people think it's social yeah well there's like Wikipedia with that's in part while it's like yeah yeah yeah there's like okay here we go okay what's that mean it means it's telling him that the that it's a very big island and there's a lot of things going on chat to know chat to know uh-oh what was he telling him they're coming from the gold they're coming from the golden globe and then he's telling that there's a special session coming out so it's telling people to tune into it oh okay and his father Tom Hanks is uh what do you say is that so is that who that is yeah that's what's name it's my friend chat yeah he went viral doing this yeah that's actually not he says you're making people love it but but the Bobby the bobby lawns didn't like it the bobby lawns hated it but but Jamaican people loved it that's that's probably about right yeah yeah I mean I get that I get that from from members of my family when I'm in Jamaica like sometimes when I try to kick into like they sell your pots while they just kind of laugh like they make fun of you yeah man and boy that's so far yeah I I it's one of the most beautiful places where where's your family with so my mother was born in Trilani which was actually on the west coast of the island okay so but she spent time in Trilani she spent part of a childhood in low river and actually the place called Westmoreland and what's really interesting which is kind of like my name Westmoreland that's so cool and so my family always kind of cracked jokes because my mother when she married my father whose name was Westmore it always be like you went to the United States and you married a Westmoreland oh it was like Westmoreland that's so cute yeah it's very cute it's an amazing island it's amazing country so like yeah you but you were at Riverdale you were like a prepped elite prep school but it did work on you yeah it didn't work out there well yeah anyway but you know I know the cutest things that you said to the rich kids was that you have a vacation house in Brooklyn that's so adorable they're like we go to say bars but honestly it's like I didn't know summer was a verb 'Cause people like-- - Oh, we summer. - We summer, I'll say no. Okay, well, I summer too in Brooklyn. - You summer in Brooklyn. - Where is your vacation now? (laughing) - Did you make it up? - No. - Is that the most exotic place you know? - No. - Because it's my grandfather. - My grandfather, he was a minister of a church. - In Rhode Island? - In Rhode Island? - No, in Betside. - In Betside, that's a vacation? - In Betside, that's a vacation now. That's why I make occasions. - 'Cause you're like elementary school. You're like trying to connect with like the dad, the guy who's dad is the president of fentanyl or something. (laughing) You're like, "I am." - What was the biggest constant in your life was basketball throughout Europe, right? - Yeah, I love that. - Well, basketball was really the thing that actually, where I could find acceptance. You know what I mean? Like, when I moved to the Bronx, I didn't know anybody. I didn't know anything. And so like, what I knew was there were courts that were like a block away, two blocks away. And so I would just go to the courts. And that's where I met some of my friends. That's why I learned about the neighborhood that I really wasn't familiar with. It was a place that, you know, when I told my mom or to my grandparents, like, "I'm gonna go play basketball." As long as they're like, as long as you're back by when a son comes down, like you're good. - Yeah. - And so it was a place of freedom for me, particularly when-- - What was your game? - My game was actually pretty decent. I was pretty quick. - What was your, what profile? What's your cup? What's your NBA cup? You were just-- - I wish I was good at that. - Your court vision cup. - No, actually, you know who was in-- - Your 3-1-D? - I was like a, if Anthony Mason were a point guard, that's who I was. - You were violent, violent Joe? - I was a violent, I was a violent Joe. - Charles Oakley? You were on our test at the match in Detroit. - Exactly, exactly. - So did you have to scrap on the courts? - 100%. - Really? - 100%. - You have to. - You've yammed in your life. - How many dogs have you done your entire life? - You know what, I think I did my first dunk when I was a-- - I would kill him. I would die tomorrow just for one. - I think I had my first dunk when I was a-- - A baby? - Maybe? - No, I think I was a junior in high school. It was when I was my first dunk. - Yeah. - And I think I had my last dunk when I was a junior in college. - Wow. - I think at that point, I was like, this knee ain't popping anymore. - So I don't think we've had a dunk president ever. Just, this is a trivia question. - I think this is nothing to do with your election for governor. - You don't think Barack could dunk? - Or ever in his life? - You're sucking up right now? - No, I'm just asking, is it-- - If you one-on-one, you could snatch his soul. You think Barack Obama president? You're never like that. - No, oh yeah. - He's alright, he's not bad. - Oh, I'm sure he's a great ball player. - I would never acknowledge that anybody could beat me. - When I moved to New York, I moved to bedside, actually. And I went to the courts on, I think between Bedford and Nostra, those big courts, and I played pickup and I got dunked on by like a 13-year-old, I'm like, "I'm the only player against Jewish people "for the rest of my life." - Really, and people were laughing at me. I was like, "What was I supposed to do?" - It was a child. - It was a child. - It was a child. - Yeah, but listen, when you see someone coming up, it really, you gotta make a choice. - And Starberry ended your career, is that right? - I loved him, he was like, "You remember?" I mean, Steph was like-- - He was like royalty. - Steph was royalty. - Remember the ESPN, the magazine thing you did with KG? - That's right. - No bikinis, no thongs, all new. - That's the kid I was like, "Really, is he serious?" Or there could be naked ladies also in this magazine? I did not, it was a confusion. Wait, so he just, he cooked to you. - Yeah, he was like, "You're not gonna be an NBA." - And honestly, like, I was actually pretty good. I was pretty ball player in high school. And, but then when you go and you play against those guys, and you go and you play against, you know, the stuff on Marbury's and, you know, Colby and I were in the same-- - Beam. - Yes, the same graduate class, like, that's nuts. Like, they just play at a different level. - You met him? - Yeah, Kukoby? - Yeah. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. And, I'll tell you why, I've a really great Kukoby story. So, Colby's cousin/friend, I wasn't, he called him my cousin, but I'm not sure if he was really his cousin, was my teammate. And, in high school. And he was really good, he was like, six, seven, six, eight, something like that. Anyways, we're going out and I'm trying to remember if it was right before Colby declared for the draft, or right after something like that. - 96. - 96, but I'm trying to remember what time of the year it was. - Okay. - But he's like, yo, he's like me and Colby, me and Dean, are about to go out and we're going to go to the movies you want to come, I'm like, yeah, that's cool. So, we go out to the movies. - What did you say? - So, me, oh, I can't tell you what we saw because we didn't see it. - Buy the ticket. - 'Cause you had so much fun? - No, buy the ticket, standing in line, and then one person comes up, you know, can I have your autograph to Colby? Two people, three people. - Finally, there's-- - Where in New York? - No, in Pennsylvania. - Oh, it feels-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So now he's like-- - And he's like-- - And he's like-- - And he's like, a problem with-- - Brandy. - That's exactly right, which was a very big deal back then. I was like, oh shit. - That's so, a problem with Brandy, that's nuts. - How does the kid do that? - I know. - Imagine if I went to problem with carbon electors, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know why that didn't happen. - Do you remember who he went to problem with? - Yeah, this girl that, yeah, it was a disaster, they're the whole thing. - She was a competitive swammer. - Yeah. - Oh, so she just got back from a meet and in our problem picture, she looked way more jack than me. And my mom also did my hair and she used it. I had long hair. We don't have to get into it. The picture is a disaster. - I finally want to see this picture now. - I looked terrible. But then we, yeah, we had the afters at my house. That was pretty cool. - But that's cool. So you actually did the afters for your promise. - I didn't get any, just because you were-- - 'Cause you chose to do it at your house. - Who do you take to problem? The military? - It was a military problem. - What's a military problem? - It's what we call the ring dance. - The ring dance? - The ring dance. 'Cause what it happens is it's just like you have your ring. - Oh, there's still much somewhere. - Are there girl, you took it? Are there girls? - Yes. - Is it co-educational? - No, it wasn't co-educational when I was there. But you took a girl from the neighborhood. - Was the girls school across the lake and then you do pranks on her? That's how I imagined being at all guy school. (laughing) - No, there was no girl, there was no girl school. Even though there was a military college there. And like right by there it was like Cabrini, Villanova was close. We would always go to Philly. And so you got a chance to get out. - For context, your mother said you to a military school. - When I was like 13 years old. - 13 years old. - You were like, you ran away from, you tried to be a regular Jay in Fonda. You ran away from, yeah I was a soldier in school. - You're a soldier school. 'Cause it sucks. I mean like you go there and it's horrible. Like they wake you up in the morning. They're screaming at you. They're like every bunch of life is taken away. It was horrible. And I'm like, wait y'all pay for this. We're doing the do this to us. So that you don't have to like it. - I ended up loving it. - Yeah. - Because I ended up needing it. - Really? - And I didn't realize how much I needed it. - Yeah. - You know, 'cause you listen, I mean, things were hard and I wasn't, you know, I always say I feel bad for the kind of kid I was, 'cause my mom deserved a better son. - Well, how bad were you? You were that bad. - You're being very bad? - I was listening. I mean, I had handcuffed my wrist buds. I was 11. - But did you deserve it or not? - Um, I could try to tell you that I didn't, but I probably did, right? Because I mean, now I'm bad at it. - What do we do with it? - Oh, you could say. - Yeah. - I just asked you to believe it did. - Yeah, what did you do? - Well, in that instance, what happened? - I was free-painting. I was tagging. - Oh, that's street art. - Thank you. - I saw a bunch of-- - That was my argument. - I saw a bunch of rich Brooklyn Park Slope kids at graffiti summer camp, like a couple of years ago. - People get paid for it. - They're like, "Now you gotta throw up your tag." - Exactly. - And did you tell the cops one of the five pillars of hip-hop and then you're not doing anything wrong? - That's not that bad. You did a graffiti. - Could you imagine if I said that? - You shouldn't feel like you're a bad son. - I know what it's a divisive problem. - Don't feel that your mom didn't think you were that bad. - Well, I mean, I was bad enough that she ended up sent me away. - Well, yeah, I guess I-- - And that's not it. - And it benefited you. The president, he also went to boy soldier school. - He went to, I think, New York military academy. - Why did it, you think it worked on you, but why did it work on Donald Trump? - Yeah, I don't know, I don't speak for them. - Well, what do you think? What's just speculated? 'Cause if it was a good for structure in your life, it's like-- - Yeah, well, you know what, too, it was like, for me, though, right out of military school, I actually joined the Army. - Yeah. - I think he went to Wharton, right? - Yeah, he was a college boy. - Yeah, college boy. - So you think you're more bad, it's more bad also. - No, I think I just, we just have, we have different experiences. - Yeah, and we have-- - I wonder what it was like yelling at Trump in high school, but the-- - Can we find the drill sergeant, Trump's drill sergeant? - How amazing would that be? Was he talking shit back? Was he like, "Fuck you." (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. See, that's the thing. In my military drill sergeant, that'd be insane, actually. - That would be amazing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh my gosh. - It's bizarre to think about. Wait, so, yeah, I guess like-- - I think you would have done one of the military school. - Me? - Yeah. - Oh my god, it would have been awful. - I think we don't well. - No, the problem is that we can get to this later, but Jews aren't supposed to go to the Army. We're not supposed to go to the war. That's why everything's bad right now. We're supposed to hide from the war. That's what we did for 1800 years. Hiding from the war. We wrote books about hiding from the war. I thought it was interesting. You wrote about like how you like, educationally, it kind of like also, say it used to right too. Like you start reading and stuff like that. - It was, it was, 'cause I was like, I was, it was really weird because it's like, I um, I was not a very good reader. I was reading below grade level and I just didn't enjoy it and I give it to my mom. She was the one who really helped to crack that up because she actually started having me read and stuff that actually enjoyed. And once I started reading stuff that actually enjoyed, I actually then just got into it. What did she give you? First book she gave me was a book called "Fab 5" about Jalen Rose and them. There you go. Oh cool. There you go. Yeah, yeah. And I went through that book and when I first read that book, she was like, "Let me just give this a shot." So she gives me the book, read it. And like two days later she's like, "Did you start the book?" I was like, "I finished it." And she's like, "You finished it." Yeah, it's a short book though. You're fancy on that. Yeah. Like 80 page books. She was shot. But she was shot. Yeah, that was good. And then I was like, and then I was like, "Yeah." But then I started like defending. I was like, "In." Like Chris Weber and Jalen Rose and Jimmy King and Jawan Howard and Chris Jackson, and that. Yeah. I did. Yeah. He was like, "Why are you nicknames?" You know, the six man is Rob Polinka. Rob Polinka, yeah. Rob Polinka, yeah. Rob Polinka, yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah. I felt bad because what does he mean like a senior? Rob Polinka. When they first came. Because he was supposed to be a starter. And all I know is that the name Jalen never existed before, he was the first Jalen. Did you know that? Jalen Rose? He's the first Jalen ever. And now it is the most popular name of the NBA in NFL. Did you know that Jalen Rose is the first? Yeah. I think it's a mom combined two nips. It sounds nice, doesn't it? It does. And I had no idea. And you're right. Now it knows Jalen. Yeah. There's so many Jalen's. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's named Jalen though. That's interesting. He's a great ball player. We're getting off track. But like, so how did you like learn to love educating? You became a Rhodes Scholar and so forth. Yeah. I think there's a few things, right? I think, you know, first I started realizing that that was my escape. Yeah. You know, it's like all the stuff I'm dealing with in life. Uh-huh. All the anger, all the kind of stuff. It's like, you can, education really became this place. And not just when people say it's your pathway or whatever like that. Like, that's true. But what it is, it's like, it's an escape. Uh-huh. It allows you to go into different worlds. It allows you to go into different places. It allows you to imagine in new ways. And I think that's what reading and education really became me. Yeah. And I started realizing that the world was just bigger than what was just directly in front of me. Uh-huh. And that gave me a whole new scope on what I wanted to do and what I wanted to be. And so that's when many ways I was like, that really helped to save me. Well, I read that you said you found yourself there was a moment where you read the autobiography of Malcolm X. Yeah. And then you read Colin Powell's autobiography. Yeah. You read it with him together, right? You found yourself oddly connecting more with Colin Powell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I say that because-- Is that after the Iraq War? You can't be saved, I do. Malcolm X didn't go to the UN. Actually, you know what's funny? It was before. It was before the Iraq War. Oh, so you just got hit at the wrong time. I got hit at the right moment. Let's give you a break. Malcolm X never went to the UN and a million people died because of a lie he told. I don't know how to say it was Colin Powell's idea. They made him. They made the one black guy do it. That is true. That is true. That is true. Who are we going to throw to the wolves right now? Jesus Christ. So you found a way out, but then you went to the military. When did 9/11 happen? 9/11 happened. I joined the Army in '96. I got commissioned 90 and then 9/11 happened three years after. And what was crazy was that 9/11 happened. Oh, you got in the wrong time again. Well, this is going to be a dream. Well, it's true. They're going to pay for my dental. Exactly. I'm like, they're going to pay, they're going to pay for college and stuff. But when 9/11 happened and when I deployed, I was very honest with the people who I served with. I was like, listen, when I joined the Army, none of this was going on. I thought I was going to be doing pranks on the base. Because there was nothing going on. And even if you look at things like Bosnia and what I can think, that wasn't for the Army. That wasn't for the Air War for the most part, right? It's because of the Monica Lewinsky. That's what it is. Is that what they say? What is Kosovo? Kosovo. Yeah. But it's like, look over here. No, but it's like, and then, but now I'm in Afghanistan serving with all these people. And like, almost like to a person when you ask them, you know, why did you join the Army? They're based in like 9/11. Did they say that? Oh, yeah. No, I think, well, well, this was back when I-- Back in those days. Yeah. Because-- It's Pat Tillman. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. And in some ways, that was actually my story, right? Because my story, as you see, is like, it has been a fascinating journey. But the thing that has always brought me back to my Norstar has always been service. Yeah. That I was always willing to give up or sacrifice if a man I had the opportunity to serve. And when I first went back with, you know, back with my unit, back with the 82nd Afghanistan, I was actually working in finance. I was working for Deutsche Bank. I was doing debt capital markets. I was making a lot of money, living in London, having a ball. And I got a call from a person who ended up becoming my Deputy Brigade Commander. Your unit got called up? Yeah, well, yeah. So he was with the 82nd Airborne. And he asked me. He said, when are you going to get in the fight? Right. And I was like, shit. Like, it's inditing. Like, I'd gone through all this training. I joined the army when I was 17 years old. And we're now a nation at war. And I'm sitting in London. Freaking banking. Yeah. And I was like, he's right. When am I going to get in the fight? And so I ended up leaving my job, the world of finance. I told my fiancee that I got called up. She didn't realize that the draft wasn't a thing anymore. But I-- That's why I went to wire. Yeah. You lied to your partner. Right now? I imagine what she would have said. If I told her, I want to leave because I want to go-- I mean, if I told my mother that, she would have killed me. She would have killed you, right? Yeah. So do you think, like, what is the experience of knowing what a war is? Like, how does that-- Like, we're at war right now, right? Yeah. Going back to the Trump-- And most of this country doesn't even realize it. But like, a lot of the people that kind of make these decisions, a lot of the time are people that don't know what a war is. Correct. It sounds like a stupid question, but what is a war? It's a war. I can say-- To me, it sounds terrible. Yes. It sounds like one of the worst things kind of all-- it sounds like awful. It is. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah. And that's why it's like, listen, I mean, I think about-- I think about, you know, I was a member of the 82nd Airborne Division. Right. That's the unit that has just gotten called up. Paratroopers? Yeah. So brothers. That's exactly right. One of the most story units in the history of the United States military. So you need to learn how to sky dive. It's one of your things? I guess. So people always say it's like, so I jumped out of perfectly good airplanes. Wow. Okay. Wait, so keep going. I'll call you after that. No, but it's-- it's-- when we go, the thing I know about the 82nd or the 101st or, you know, any of these military units is, we're the best in the world. Yeah. There's nothing we can't do, but that doesn't mean we should do it. Right. Right. Like, we can do anything. But it does mean we can do everything. On a simpler level, like, do you found yourself in combat? What is that experience? You know? I mean, it's um-- Do I seem like a-- like a whimp, right? I mean, like-- Because I feel like, um-- when John Kerry was in a Vietnam-- You should be in a-- You know, like, uh-- people used to go back and then just tell Congress, like, this--it's terrible. Right? And we should, you know? And now I feel like-- I see politicians be like, oh, this is part of my resume. It's just like, um-- I think that, I don't know, public figures, like, uh, kind of telling us what the ramifications of the decisions being made, I think is at pretty, like, a public service. If you know what I mean, like-- It is. That's why I'm kind of trying to-- Because we shouldn't take it lightly. Yeah. It's like, like, why are we-- in your opinion, why are we always at war just in one place in the world? Yeah. I don't know. And honestly, especially because we're not explaining anybody what we're doing. Yeah. And that's what-- it means one of the reasons that I have been so vocal and I'm so bothered by this war that is going on is we once again are asking a very small percentage of the population. And we are giving orders-- Slaughter people. Correct. Right? And we're giving orders without giving a mission. We're giving orders without giving a-- uh-- a destination. We're just telling you, go do X, go do Y. Yeah. But we're not explaining what does victory look like and why are we asking the American people to be okay with your gas going off, your grocery's going off, all that kind of stuff. And you haven't explained what we're doing or why we're doing it. I'm just under-educated, but what was the specified mission in Afghanistan? What do they tell you when you were there to do it? We knew that we had-- There's been a lot of-- Yeah. We had to address the Taliban, right? Yeah. That the Taliban was the government that was in place that allowed for Osama bin Laden and for Al-Qaeda to be able to deploy attacks. So you had to be able to address the Taliban. Sure. But what gets me is this. What's the charge about Afghanistan right now? The Taliban. The Taliban. It looks like they're having fun. Does that piss you off? It absolutely. Does it feel like you saw people die and yes, the Taliban are like on duck boats, you saw that picture? Yeah. And by the end-- They're like having a vacation, like sitting there using equipment that we used. Do you think that that war-- does it feel like as someone that participated in the longest war in American history? Is that correct? Yes, it was. Does it-- It turned into the longest war in American history? As someone that was there, seeing the Taliban back the next day, does it feel like What was the point like point we got Ben Laden went to 2012 20 something like that And then we left in what President Obama's second turn 23 24 when did when we yeah, so I just I suppose like And also Pakistan had him right No, well, no, he was right what Toribor and then he's stuck away right here if you write Toribor you would have got his ass You would have gotten that I would have been there if I was you just looking for a bill on not listening to my command But I'll be there about none of this I'm gonna wrap this up. We've been live net. Where is it? We've been live net I mean, no, but put it but on for real like emotionally as someone that's a human being that was there and then seeing that it was the longest American war ever and seeing the result like does that do you feel pissed off or does you feel like I shouldn't I saw people die and that's fucking that we Listen, we lost that we're 24 American sir 2400 American service people. Yeah Friends, yeah, who didn't make it home many friends who made it home And we'll never be the same. Yeah, we spent trillions of dollars and I don't know if anyone could argue That we even still to this day had a very clear definition understanding of what it is that we're accomplishing So when this and this is what this is what makes me so so nervous About what's going on in Iran like we were promised no more of these forever wars No more foreign wars and what are we doing? We've been at war in the Middle East pretty much since I guess most of my life. No, yes, that is right Maybe just about yeah, so why why why are why is that happen? There is this There is this absolute obsession that we seem to have with deploying people Overseas for foreign wars and I'm and that listen I am I am someone who believes that There are times military forces necessary and required I understand that and there are some there are certain situations where Military force is the best option to be able to address the issue, but military force should always be the last option And that's the thing I think for a lot of these folks they do not understand and they do not get and military force should always be the last option And you need to understand what are we trying to accomplish and once you've accomplished it move on yeah, and I and I'll say I Give actually a lot of credit to the first George Bush Because when you had the Iraq war first the first first Iraq war. Yeah He was very clear about the objectives that he wanted to accomplish right by Quay right very clear about the objectives Very clear about building the international coalition around it very clear that he felt that that was the last option because the rocket then had Violated in actual right so he knew there wasn't a negotiation that was going to get set on the move so he went in How do you had the Iraq the first Iraq war? Lasted days not months not years and when he accomplish his objective even when he had advisors who told him you can go further He said no We've accomplished what I said we're going to accomplish and it's time to move on Like that is actually having a clear conversation with the American people Which is not what we're doing right now with Iran where the goal post keeps moving we keep on saying this is a victory That's a victory getting rid of the Iranian Navy and the Air Force as if that was like the eminent threat the Iranian Navy the Iranian Air Force It's like what are we doing? It's oil right correct and Not to mention that's why when he invaded Kuwait we did I mean he was from the oil industry And the C.I. But but but he was clear about what is the objective and once we've accomplished it we're moving on weird This is not going to turn into mission creep Yeah, I said I just I suppose It's that but to me I what do I know but like to me it just seems like there are a lot of companies that are American companies of course that Need us to be out of war so that they could be a so that they can make money war war war unfortunately is big business. You know like And we can get to it later in the interview but like When people say that we appropriated $25 billion to Israel I think it's what's missed in the equation is that we paid American companies $25 billion in set over Weapons of war, right? So I just I yeah, I suppose like what do you do about like if there's this massive industry that requires people to be getting killed by stuff Yeah, it's what do you do about that like well? It's like Eisenhower award, you know, it's a military industrial complex Yeah, and the fact that you have and there's also there is a reason why you're supposed to have a Commander-in-chief who serves as a civilian and not as a member of the of the military because there does need to be that form of separation we and and and it goes back to the military being a tool But the military should not be your end destination like when I think about what is the point right? It's the reason that you have soft power. It's the reason that you utilize diplomacy. It's a reason you utilize foreign foreign aid It's the reason that you can that you that you utilize cultural influence. All these are tools and another tool is the military The problem is we keep on pretending like the military is the only tool that we have or the only one that is worth using Well, it's also just a stimulus package for the economy and and and that's for for a certain portions of the economy because what's happening right now is We're all gonna pay more Yeah, we're paying more on everything so we can keep on feeding The war machine. So when the president's coming back and asking for is like I need another you know X billion yeah for this war or X billion to be it is like but wait a second. You're gonna do that and cut our health care Yeah, like that money's not gonna come from nowhere something is gonna get cut and what's getting cut are the basic services That we rely on and the things we actually want so we can fight wars that we don't It's it's it's like it wasn't coming early. It was terrible. Why you should award me. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know a bit at least I'm not all I'm so I don't know why I said that because it's true. No, we're just I mean that's how you know I've been shaving my head since I was a teenager because a Michael because the military Well, that's true. Yeah, I don't lie like honestly. That was another thing about the fat five The fat five one things we loved about them wasn't just about they're good They're all shade their heads back shorts the black socks the trash as a bald guy that that felt a lot those are my guys But if you grew it out, but it would be crazy. Why did what is LeBron doing by the way? Just let what if he did a quadrexer a little like the sea like for a thing. Yeah, and he was just cooking guys. It would look so awesome Do you get do you get to go to a USO show? I have not been to a USO show in a long time when you were at the war did they say that do you have a lady with a fan Pushing her skirt down to say they didn't have that happy birthday. What's the president? Your Bob hope. Do you get Bob hope we did not get Bob hope do you get Jeff Ross the roast master general? We did not get Jeff Ross You had to think about it. It sounds like he was one of those guys. No, he won't he did not want you probably got a good line Oh, we got um, I'm trying to remember we got but you know it's funny though One thing I told people when they're like well, you know When this person visits to that person visits We never really like to VIP visits. What do you do like like when the secretary of the fan? So the president to cover like that's came to the to the base It was never an enjoyable thing for the troops because first of all you had to suck up You had to suck all the real work stopped. Yeah, because you had to make sure that everything looks nice and all that stuff for Wolfowitz That's what you have you got to meet you got to meet Rumsfeld I did that guy used to get so irritable. It was fun Yeah, we know I'm asking me questions I never met him until I didn't meet him Tell you worked at the Bush administration. That's all I work for the Bush administration Yeah, I worked as a as a White House fellow. What is that program? Like it's a prestigious program So basically what you do is you work as a senior level advisor to a cabinet secretary or agency head and administration But it's not it's not political because they're not saying okay You're picking Republicans are Democrats like I work for the Bush administration and I work for Secretary Rice when I was there And so it was amazing because like I worked I saw a year in Afghanistan seeing how policy was implemented What's rice like what's she all about? I really like her. She's nice. She's very nice She was like she really became a very real mentor for me. She said she's a and the thing all is if you text rice For some time you text rice. What's she up to? Where's she at? Where's she at? She's in California. Do that? Do you think those guys feel bad? About what's going on right now? No about what I mean the about what happened when they were there. Thank you I mean over a million people died. Yeah, no, it's I mean that's kind of first about Hall of Fame hell I mean I mean it. No, it's it's listen. I think that there's a When you look at the history of this country and and I do think it's important People realize like loving this country doesn't mean lying about its history Yeah, you know I'm saying like this country has gotten a lot wrong before Yeah, and I think it actually is important for us to be honest about that because if not then we're just going to keep on doing this Like you've got to actually learn lessons and I feel like right now when the issues I have with what's happening with Iran Is there seem to be no lessons learned about how about how our militaries used about what is required from the people when we are in Nation of war and we just keep on doing this over and over and over again and no lessons are being learned We'll probably just buy a lot of like bombs as yeah good people people are benefiting from this yeah people are benefiting from when we're at war people are benefiting when we continue to allow this to happen and allow this to exist and it's not it's not fair to the people who were ball the warfare it's not making a stronger as a country or in the international community yeah it's not fair to these families you worked with a USAID when you were the bus service right yeah that was one of the first Doge cuts if I remember it was yeah it absolutely was and it was something that had a huge impact on on Maryland because a lot of those people USAID they're Marylanders oh yeah they're federal workers federal DC yeah we've had over 35 or through over 31,000 federal workers fired in Maryland this just as year-long more than any other state in the country what if you don't like it's there it's something you guys have helped them out we have so we've we've actually been very aggressive in terms of placing them into available necessary state jobs working with a private sector we did something called our feds to eds for our federal workers which is actually saying we have a teacher shortage in our state every state does but based saying if you're a federal worker and you're interested in qualified we're like get them trained get them certified get them in classrooms and we've actually been able to cut our teacher shortage in half in the state of Maryland and some of those people have been federal workers who then chosen to go into the classroom and so we've been we've been really aggressive to make sure we're taking those people look at your career like and we mentioned this earlier but like you know bridging you being deployed and then you also working in finance and then also be working like as for a fellow in a fellowship for the White House also getting a road how'd that feel roads roads yeah roads yeah I mean the architect of apartheid right yeah well you know my family is from Cape Town we had to we left during apartheid is fucked up your family your family left it a horrible time yeah my dad got well my dad got called up to go to Angola to the Civil War which was like a yeah my mom was you know he was like on a list of somewhere but like it is I when I read that you were a road scholar it was like is that Cecil Rose and it is and people forget he was a with the wealthiest man in the world at the time he started to be his he started to be yours yeah and in fact the last the last question I got and disenfranchised black I mean like literally where we're in fact this guy named Steve Fyfer asked me a question in my roads my last words to me and he said you know you have been this out of Africa because I I lived in South Africa for six months where in Cape Town where long ago long oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and he was like your African-American you know the history and he said how do you feel comfortable accepting a road scholarship and it is and what it is what a day with a girl once and I was like this concept this guy said what about that huh well you know I told you like that but we know I told him I said I said I'm I'm very familiar with the history of the situation but I said I said you know one of the things that helps me be okay with where I'm out right now is that like first of all I know he is spinning in his grave because when he created the road scholarship he never intended me yeah to get it and I said also I'm think about all the people who had to sacrifice in order for me to be a finalist for the scholarship and what would I be saying to them if I were to turn my back on so they changed the name to the colon Powell Scholarship as a private scholarship you can call it what you want but it is important that people know its history like people people need to know who he was be as if they are going to go and apply to receive that money so what is so I guess like the first thing that brought you to prominence is that correct is that book you wrote about the other westward yeah promise wow yeah is that a big word you're from the road scholarship why are you gassing me I read books as Harry Potter April I listen to them no I mean like you saw there's a there's someone that's from your neighborhood your age is that correct yes well he's he is he's a little bit older than me and when I was in fact when I just received the road scholarship yeah my my mother in fact I was inside that for the time that she said she said I've something to tell you she goes there are wanted posters and in your name so you got you thought that they were going to take you out of college well they're going to throw you in the slavery well she was like and they're looking for Westmore I was like really is like yeah I was like well I'm in South Africa and what have you done this time he's like you not damn you what did you what have you done what did you break thanks what is this this bastard son of mine she's like be by what you done with your now the worst boy ever a hero war okay yeah that was that was that was how I first learned so who is it who is the other Westmore he's a he's a a gentleman when it was a young man who was he was he was he was born I was not born a Baltimore he was born and raised in Baltimore and around the same time that I received the road scholarship he was involved in a robbery of a jewelry store yeah and it was four guys who rob a jewelry store and in the process of robbing the jewelry store and all duty police officer was killed and this off duty police officer I mean he was a legit hero like he was a 13 year veteran of the Baltimore police force he was a three-time recipient of police officer the year he was good police he was good police yeah good and he was a father of five really just had triplets so but he was that he took this second job because he needed to take a second job because he had now five kids and he was working security at a jewelry store and when they robbed the jewelry store he was he was shot and killed so you were arrested it was a big mix up no I mean so you got to know the other the other Westmore yeah I got I got to know I'm sorry I wrote I wrote him a note and then and then a month later I got a note back and what do you say we know I asked him a question he would I would did he was he like you're a nerd I'm like you treat you like a nerd no he I think he must treat you like a nerd maybe look maybe look like this good at good at school guy coming to write a book about how how good he is at school well initially how bad but initially it was really just us like we were just like talking and getting to know each other and but the thing that I was amazed me about West is is whenever we would come in again and we talk and he would ask questions like so tell me about your wedding or or tell me about your words so I'll tell you know me and my wife and I didn't say where do I go to dinner which I'll eat yeah and I realized it's sometimes I'm like myself like that's kind of an odd question but I was like but for him it's actually not an odd question right for him it's actually like it's opening up a world yeah that he never experienced and so I am and I think you know those letters turning to visits and you know I've now known him for how's he doing now he's still incarcerated yeah he's still he ended up getting life without parole yeah that's a long it's terrible I mean it's it's you know and it's it's saying it's hard because I think about it where it's like you know listen I mean so you're like I got straight A's again and then this what this other guy he couldn't leave his room well now you know it is it's like yeah I just think about how thin that line is right would you write a sequel the other other Westmore because we find this guy Westmore and he posted I think you you could write a book about this guy is pretty interesting the NC the North Carolina basketball coaches name Westmore you gonna write about him no he's a supposed he's a very good coach to well this guy the Westmore on January 6 2019 he got four likes for this he said for like I heart boobs yeah this is the sequel we can investigate this boobs guy yeah no I mean it became like a hit the book yeah my mother-in-law just just so you know I was talking about the foes where you score be major points really because she's taught that book in New York City public schools stop playing no we don't spend it's amazing to me how many schools use it as mandatory reading like how many kids what comes way I read your book I was like did you have to like yeah but how many schools have actually made it like part of curriculum really like really well we know it's funny when I ran for governor I would do events and like 90% of people there be high school students and I'm like does anybody have any questions I'm like like policy questions are like in chapter 4 or like a reading assignment so he became governor so he can sell his goddamn book to these little kids oh my god you're just like the military industrial complex you're doing it for books oh my god you're Eric out your Eric out I don't know wait but Oprah open was Oprah book club yeah Oprah Oprah Oprah and she introduced it she introduced the book to the world that's your friend I love Oprah yes yeah she's great how many voices she getting off this book this we just opened up a huge one you should start a book was Oprah a book club yes yeah what am I gonna make them read the game cut that please wait you I'm gonna make fun of you for this okay you said that on January 6th you called Oprah to say you're gonna run for governor Barely. That actually wasn't what we did talk on January 6th. That is true. You called Oprah to be like no They were talking. She picked up. Yeah, that's a famous woman. How many rings? She's very famous She picked her. She's a Westmore. Are you seeing this? And you're like, this is so funny Talking I'm talking with Oprah and you call those right there like I have I'm speaking Oprah Yeah, and like then the team is on right there. I'm like and we're talking on the phone and I'm like Are you watching this? Did you call people before Oprah or was she the first call? You could just call Oprah. Well, I didn't call her about January 6th We were talking and the January 6th happened to be happening while I'm on a phone with her. Oh, you had a you had I didn't expect it I wasn't like how to do yeah, it wasn't like I wasn't like it wasn't like We're talking and like he's he's he's snaked out of that one. Thank God. You did that Because if your Bragg was like and then I had to talk to Oprah. No, your Bragg was like he's just There's capital Oprah. I Can you believe open? No, no, so you had a call that day That's so that's crazy and we were just talking then like but did but this was on the television and what are Oprah? Say it. She's like we didn't we did it It was all my idea Oh, the plan is worked. Yeah, no, so what do you want January 6th? Well, I was that I was I was far away No, I'm not accusing you big. I was out there But like but what was your reaction when you were watching it? I don't want to say to you because you're a real guy. I was saying this is What they think they're gonna beat the government is how would you thought? Yeah, what are these guys? They're gonna go there and win for Trump I don't think what that these guys are I feel bad for the guys kind of Because I'm like what they thought do they actually think they were gonna win? They're going up in there to win. I think they did How are they gonna win? They have a caveman and a guy that farted on Pelosi's chair. They just started doing pranks in there, too But I think they said one of the most insane things that we ever it was like an out of body experience But I was like but they're being encouraged by the president, but it's the government. They're gonna have bad guns and stuff. They're not gonna like right? But the community I felt bad for them that there was so that they like Trump so much that they were like Just gonna go in there and do jackass in the the Capitol building for the guy who farted on Pelosi's chair Whatever there was a video of people smoking weed. They're like we're doing it man If I saw that when I was 13, I would be like This is what sublime is talking about. This is exactly those guys are the founding fault. No I mean, it was a very strange and odd and I felt bad for them that they were like You know a lot of those guys were like reading online that there was like a baby Slaves in the basement and stuff and you know, I think since we were all in lockdown I think people have got a little bit crazy and we don't talk about it enough I agree and I think that there's been a psychic toll that is taking on people and I think that There was all there was always the phone But like there was only the phone and now people just went on the phone and now nothing is written nothing No one believes anything is real. That's right. It's pretty scary. We're about to have an election and I'm certainly gonna think this about your election against Someone else and I don't know but no one's gonna believe any elections anymore. Is that what's gonna happen? How do you make people believe that like it's normal if you allow If you allow people just go down these rabbit holes and Just continue to get Manipulated that they're looking at information that is not actually educating them. But it's speech, right? How do you how do you curtail free speech? I think you have to provide a better option like a better Twitter no, I think what you've got to be able to do is so for example in Maryland We made Maryland the first day in the country that has a service year option for all of our high school grads Part of that is because I believe that service will save us. Oh, right part of it is because I believe that this is good workforce training But part of it is I want people to be able to find ways of getting to know each other again and Working together on things because if they don't hang out they were they don't even hang out anymore And it's part of the reason we're doing so much of this work that we're doing around young men and boys in Maryland is because I need them to get off of these Devices and get to know each other again. 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See website for full details. and important safety information, individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral monoxidil and finasteride. >> Do you ever just look up at Delaware and you're like, what the hell are you doing? >> All the time, every day. >> It's just like you're driving down 95 and then it's traffic every single time. >> Yeah, yep. >> I don't get it. >> Would you annex it like Greenland or should we give it to Philly? >> I mean, I've been saying, I've been saying, no, we'll take it. >> You'll take it. >> I've been saying to the mayor D.C. all the time, I was like, listen. >> Who is it now, Bowser? >> Bowser. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And I was like, I know y'all want to be a state, like I'm all for D.C. statehood. But if they don't want to become a state, they should just become more Maryland, just become, you know, a very large city. >> You're trying to annex, you're trying to do a capital, you're trying to, you're trying to take steal the capital. >> And listen, I think, I think it might be -- >> You are no different than that caveman on January 6th. I'm going to call Oprah and tell her. >> Okay, I guess I had Gavin do some of the show. And I guess it's a fair, it's a, I'll ask a similar question. But like, if someone, if you're meeting someone and they, you want to articulate to them what your political project is, like what is the thing that you're working, that you're spending your life devoted to accomplishing? Like, how would you define that? >> And child poverty. >> That's amazing. >> Child poverty. >> Yeah. >> That's the reason why I ran for governor. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing. If I could end child poverty right now, I could literally close my eyes and never open them again. >> Yeah. >> And feel like this is a life worth living. >> Yeah. >> Like, and that is the thing, I just do not understand how any society can allow child poverty to exist. >> Yeah. >> Especially the level that we allow in this country. >> So, like, you're a leader of people. You're an elected official. Like, if someone says, why should I bet on you? Like, what would you, what would you say? >> I say because I do what I say. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like, it's like, if I tell you, this is what we're going to do, we're going to do it. And so, that's the thing I always tell the people of my state is like, I don't, as you can probably tell, I'm not like a traditional politician. I have not run for office to office to office to office. Like, this is not, this is the first office I ever held in my life. >> Yeah. >> And, you know, when I don't, like, I'm, and I'm, I'll be very, very comfortable and good. And my time is done. That's why I move with this. >> How did you, like, learn the stuff for it? >> If it was the first, you know? >> Well, you just don't lie. >> Yeah. >> Do you do what an omnibusman is? >> Omnibusman. >> You knew that? >> I did. >> But you know what's crazy? >> When you a nerd that learns all, you knew what omnibusman is? >> Yeah. >> What does that? >> I can't even say it. >> Omnibusman. >> Omnibusman. >> Omnibusman. >> Yeah. >> But you know what it is. >> What is it? >> You're not telling me. He's lying. He doesn't, I like it if you don't know. No one should know what that is. >> What omnibusman is? >> When you, you got to the same house, you're the new governor, and you're like, I've, I, there had to have been, like, things where you're like, oh, Adam, it was every day. >> Yeah, you're like, what the hell is this? Where's this room going? >> Oh, no. >> It was every day that I was going in. And, honestly, there's still things to this day. >> That you're learning. >> That I'm like, what is that? >> Yeah, sure. >> Or, or relationships that are like, oh yeah, when, you know, when, when, Mac, so and so said, I'm like, who the hell is that? >> Yeah. >> That happens every day is governor. >> And I'm, and I'm, but I'm, but I'm, I'm, I'm good with that. >> One of the things I think is most impressive in your career, especially in politics, is that, you know, you're running against a member of the Obama cabinet, is that correct? >> That's right. >> Tom Perez. >> Yeah. >> Two of them. >> And, and, and, and, and, you had two on you. So, you, you came in and you, in, in, in state politics, you established a ground game. >> Yeah. >> How, how did you win that election, I suppose? Like, that's, um, what do you attribute that, that victory to? Like, as somebody that, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I think one was, um, Oprah. >> Weird. >> No. >> Probably. >> I think one was, we just outworked them. >> All the girls, listen to her. >> All the girls do, listen to her. >> Yeah. >> Um, but, I think the other thing is too, is that like, I wasn't trying to be like one of them. >> Yeah. >> Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I remember, there was a 4th of July, uh, barbecue where they invited all the candidates, so whatever like that. And it was like 95 degrees. And all the candidates showed up in their blazers and their, whatever like that. And I showed up in, in, in, in shorts and a polo. >> You dress cool. >> Well, I dress because I was hot. And I'm like, I'm not wearing a suit, you know what I mean? >> Yeah, yeah. >> And then I remember. >> But how do you get people to meet you? I guess, like, how do they, like, you? >> I would just go everywhere. And I would go a lot of places where they're running out of Democrats. So a lot of places where, you know, even still to this day, where I remember I did a town hall a little bit ago, in a place at a part of the state that I lost by 14 points. But that was my 17th time being back there since I've been governor. >> Yeah. >> I just show up. And I'm okay with being uncomfortable. I'm okay with hearing things that I did not know because I'm not trying to be a suit. I'm not trying to be one of these career calls. I'm just, what do you tell people when you meet them? >> Honestly, it's not even so much what I'm telling them. It's actually what I'm hearing. >> Yeah. >> Because I want to go and listen. >> Yeah. >> I want to hear what are the things that you care about? What are the things you're working on? And now can I help? >> Yeah. >> What if they say that they're baby slaves of the basement of the Capitol? >> I would probably say. >> Yeah, I don't think that's true. >> Come on, bro. >> But you're just on the computer too much. >> It's amazing some of the things you hear, though, where people come up to you think. >> I know, it's just crazy. >> It turns out that did he barely did anything. >> I'm just kidding. >> No, no, we're going to be looking at that. >> We'll cut that. We'll cut that. >> If you let him tell you. >> We'll cut that. What is wrong with me? Okay, I guess, yeah. I asked you earlier what, why people should bet on you? >> Yeah. >> And I think you made a compelling case. And before this interview, I looked up on kalshi.com. And they have you at a 2% chance to be the next nominee for President of the United States. And so that's why I want my listeners to go not the other one. kalshi.com. And we're going to do a new, we're going to do bet on West, okay? I already have a little bit on this. We're all going to go download the app or go to the website kalshi.com. The numbers are looking good for us. >> And guys, if you want like the studio to look a little bit nicer, Thomas is going to even wires out. We can afford to do this if everyone has to act bet on West. >> But you know what though? And I think it goes back to-- >> So he agrees bet on West, kalshi, or the app? >> How much you put down on this? Company card. I put the company card. Thomas. >> $10,000. >> You did say $10,000 to me. What are the numbers on that? >> Bet on West, you're going to bet it on yourself too. >> But you're going to do real nice off this. He agrees bet on West. >> But you know what is crazy about it? >> Yeah. >> And seriously think about it. Where it's like how corrupted this whole thing is. >> Yeah. >> Because think about it, right? If you look at where and I guy haven't looked at it, but if you look at where my odds are winning reelection, they're probably pretty high, right? I mean, we're feeling pretty good. >> You've been going to church every week for this election. >> I've been going to church every week before the elections. But they're probably pretty good, right? >> Yeah. >> But what is to keep me from turning around and saying, you know what, I'm going to put a 250, let's just do round number, $250,000 bet, right? Let's just say. >> Bet on. >> Bet on West. >> No, that I would lose reelection. >> Okay. >> And then I tank. >> Oh, it's like the producers. >> Correct. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And so if I did that and so let's say, but again, I don't know what the numbers are now. >> It's a springtime for Hitler. I like this. >> Yeah. >> But is that fair? If I were to put them put a market down on me winning, losing reelection, then I go an intentionally tank reelection. And then I turn and walk away with $4 million. >> Yeah, but what if you try to take and they love you more? Right? And then you do like a bullworth. It's like a bullworth kind of thing, right? Or so, yeah, so he's put it in 250 on this. Guys, bet on West. CalShi.com. They're not a sponsor of the show. Honestly, guys, it will be now. >> It will be now. >> If Trump's allowed to take $2 billion from Qatar for some shit coin, we may as well. >> It's over. >> It's over. >> No one can do anything about it. CalShi.com. >> Bet on. >> Thanks a lot. >> It's crazy. >> Thank you, Robert. >> Thanks a lot. >> I like it. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [BLANK_AUDIO]