Got My Neck, Got My Boobies with Kevin Morby

y'all what the hell is up welcome to my favorite lyrics the podcast where we talk about music lyrics except when we talk about other stuff and today we've got a very very special guest he's got an album out called a little wide open he's got a new single out called pb and j welcome to the show thank you nice to see you more be on the show yeah yeah thanks for having me i love this podcast thank you for listening yes thank you for listening man it feels uh it's very silly yeah it is very silly but it's also about music and that's being silly and talking about music it's my favorite stuff i find that being silly if that's like the entryway to an interview you can oftentimes get like the best interview out of that i think starts come down what's because you've done a lot of interviews you've done a lot do you do a lot of podcasts no i've done my fair share okay and yeah i found that if you go in and it's too serious off the like rip then you're like you you throw up a wall that's what i was gonna ask how do you feel about somebody who's really like because some like this podcast like i've said this on here before like this very much like is a descendant of a show dissect uh-huh you know where they go through and i do enjoy that but that guy is such a like music like he knows like music theory and he's talking about chord progress and he's like okay and this is it actually an allegory for this and i'm like oh and i i have a respect for that but i'm also like i want to be a goofy guy yeah yeah how do you feel about when people get really deep in the weeds i think it's i think it's fine i'm down to go there but i think being goofy goofy is my default sure i'm a way goofier person than people think like katie who i've been with for 10 years we just had a son together congratulations thank you very much she said because we we did this like tour together in like 2017 and she said she thought i was going to be this like cool mysterious like folk guy yeah and then she said when she met me she was like you're more like jonah hill that's what she said and now here we are which yeah which depending on how you look at it yeah yeah there's two you know glass half full glass empty yeah yeah you know depending yeah what era yeah exactly depending on which jonah hill you're talking about yeah but so you know it's a thing where uh i think yeah my default is goofy but i write very serious songs so i think people think i'm going to be a really serious guy but i'm actually the opposite but i think they both play off of one another and i think that podcasts can be like therapy sometimes whoa where if you're being goofy suddenly you're talking about like childhood trauma and that has without meaning to that has happened that's happened many times on this podcast where it's like we think we're coming in to talk about um you know lil wayne and then we actually just talk about uh the ways in which we've been in love before there you go homes homes episode was like that oh that's i gotta listen to that homes episode got very deep and we really started talking about like life and love lil wayne can just be a vehicle to uh yeah talk about what has not surfaced yet people don't say that enough yeah wait and i want to ask you you said you just have a you just had a son yes you just had a son is there any music that you feel like you're like trying to introduce him to already you know it's funny you're asking me this question because last night i saw grouper do you know who grouper is i don't grouper is this amazing musician that i became aware of in like the early 2000s she had this record come out called dragging a dead deer up a hill and it's sort of like an old music which i hadn't really listened to since that album came out but when we were in the hospital with him i just had this like urge to listen to that to put that on and that's kind of become our thing like when it's just me and him we listen to grouper and last night she played at town hall and i went to the show whoa so yeah it's really good full circle how often are you going a lot of other artist shows i do it i find it more and more like as i get older i want to go to shows more and more and like half as like i want to see what other people are up to and half just it's like a fun thing to do there was a period where i was like i want to go to shows more and more and i was like i am always in a venue because i'm always on tour and i want to do anything but that but now i'm maybe it's like dad style may i wonder i wonder because i think i'm still where you used to be right right now like i was with i was with like a group of friends and they're like oh like we know this guy who like does stand up and we're going to show this weekend would you like to come and i was like i'd like to do anything that's not yeah yeah i'd like to yeah anything that's not that let's do that yeah yeah it's one of the last things i'd want to do in the world no disrespect to the to the guy they were going to see it just was like i'm like that's what i do totally i'm there all the time i spent my whole 20s totally i relate to that oftentimes but also like if it's a venue that i want to check out or something like that i'll find that interesting um but i'm i'm on shows right now i'm into shows at the moment okay fair fair fair i feel like i feel like i'm always in the mood to watch live music yeah i went to uh we just the cool thing about starting this is now we're starting to get like people's like teams are starting to hit us up and be like oh do you want to come see the show and me and carmen went to go see this uh taiwanese group uh sunset roller coaster don't know it get into it i like the name carmen doesn't get to be involved every time but every now and again she'll toss an opinion in and i like that she's kind of mysterious to the listeners yeah it's great they don't really know much about what carmen's got going on sometimes in the carmen's comments people will be like i just want to see carmen one time you almost said you almost said carmen's which i think the carmen the carmen's drop drop drop a c in the carmen's um that's great i feel it's funny because you like going to music shows and then the economy is a different thing because you work in the comedy space i have this with caleb a lot where i feel like the music that he loves like the modern music that he loves i'm like you like that like like why are you like and i'm the same way with comedians where i'll be like dude you know who's really funny sebastian maniscalco and he's like dude yeah okay yeah i see i hear what's going on yeah yeah yeah i think like anything it's like when you work in it you're yeah looking at it through like a very different lens yes and uh yeah there are there are some comedians that i would be like thrilled to go watch but there are some guys who i'm just like huh almost any of the time i go to like a wedding from somebody that i went to high school with like a girl who's i went to high school with husband's favorite comedian is like one of the people i like the least almost every time sure then i was like they're like oh dude man i love this guy i'm like that guy's that guy's bad that guy's everything about that guy's bad don't talk to me about that guy it's like the uncle at the you know the bailey reunion or something kevin you would like you know foo fighters or something you know what i mean and i'm like sure i i mean foo fires are not even a example kevin you'd love three doors now yeah they were on the radio the other day you would like that you know and you're like ah you're like hey let's talk about basketball or something yeah exactly yeah yeah sports you always go to sports from there that's the that's the common denominator it's one of the best things about being being a straight man is it's kind of you can kind of find that yes no matter you can be different on politics and music and culture in the world at large but you can be like hey cowboys are doing bad yeah or just say the sport name just football and they're like and they're like boy do i have some takes and some i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know some ideas oh man football yeah i mean it goes a long way it goes a long way you were you were born in lubbock and grew up in kansas city yes i was born in lubbock texas but then i grew up actually like oklahoma and detroit and then eventually landed in kansas land in kansas city at like the age of 10 and spend my formative years there got you and you're a texan i am i am a texan and as somebody who's been to lubbock i'm really happy y'all got out of there nice you know really yeah it's not have you been i actually had never been because i only spent the first like three months i was on tour it's actually sort of this kismet thing where i wrote this record called this is a photograph that came out like six years ago or something and it's the title track is all sort of based around this photograph of my dad in lubbock like right after i was born and so i kind of wrote this song about that that became the title of the record and then i was on tour for that album and we had a day off in lubbock and so it felt like this like kismet thing like i have now returned to lubbock it's come full like very full circle because of that song and because that photograph taken in lubbock and anyways i had this whole day to kill there and i was like you know what i think i'm gonna do the thing where i like go to the house where my parents used to live and like knock on the door whoa and i did the whole thing it felt insane because i felt like a serial killer or something but i like was i went to a whataburger to like think about it i was like i'm gonna go get like a burger and a coke and i just think about this and i texted my dad and he's like you should do it just just do it and he gave me the address and i was like okay i guess i'm gonna just fucking do this and i took an uber which is like a 30 minute like ride out there and when it let me out in this neighborhood the uber driver was like oh my god i'm gonna do this and i was like oh my god i'm gonna do this and i was like just to let you know this is too far out for like ubers to come get you so like you're gonna have to walk a mile to this like mcdonald's or something it's gonna be a real journey it's a real journey not like it's not like an easy like 10 minute little drive okay and and you know i don't know this is like in 2022 just like knocking on someone's door doesn't feel like uh something people do anymore no but anyways i walked up and it was still kind of covid also and i had all this stuff prepared i had like a new york times article about me and like the photo of my dad in the uber and i was like okay i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna explain like why i was there and uh you know let the guy know that i'm not a psycho or something and so all he said was yes sir just over and over it was probably like a 27 year old guy he had a lot of tattoos and he was just like eating lunch it's like the middle of the day and everything i told him i was like this is new york times article this is the picture he's like yes sir yes sir yes sir and then i was like can i go in the backyard can you take a picture of me standing where my dad once stood and he's yes sir and then we did it and it was very bizarre and then i walked like a mile along the highway to go to this mcdonald's to call an uber okay how did it how did it did it feel like a beautiful full circle moment you know it's funny so in the photo my of my father he like wasn't wearing a shirt okay and i was like i gotta get topless in this man's yard i was almost like can i can i take off my can i pop the top yeah go and go into a stranger's house and be like hey so i used to live here when i was a baby can you go ahead and hold on to the camera and i'm gonna go ahead and take my shirt off yeah exactly you just kind of capture my whole body could you like throw some water on me yeah yeah can you maybe yeah okay and i got this oil in a bag maybe if you can rub that all over my shoulders and back and then get me really shiny and then take a picture of that and make sure the flash is on though yeah exactly it was kind of like that in the photo of me is like what can't what is that the main camera yeah that's that's mine that's oh this one yeah the photo of me i'm like like it's like it's very awkward because i'm so like what the hell is going on also were you by yourself or were you completely alone i was completely alone i remember like walking through the house too like walking through the living room and i was like yeah i'm Of course, I'm not going to recognize it, but I was like, am I feeling something? I kind of felt something, I think. Well, it's also because it's not like your childhood home. It's not like from when you were five. Right. And you've got like loose memories of what it is. It's like you weren't even, your brain didn't even click on yet. Yeah, no, exactly. It was all colors and shapes. Exactly. Exactly. And so, but it was a fun experience. So just to answer your question, that is the one time that I've been back to Lubbock. But my parents all the time are like, oh, we're so glad we got out of Lubbock. It's not. It's not where you need to be. Buddy Holly's from there? It didn't go well for him. It did not go well for him. I know. You know, his whole famously. Famously. I always have this fear. I used to have a huge fear of airplanes because of being a musician from Lubbock. But at this point, I don't, I have no longer a fear of airplanes. But I do have this Buddy Holly shirt that I won't take with me on planes. That's like one of my superstitious things. That makes sense. Kind of like the white lighter thing. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I just feel like if I were to die on an airplane and then like my suitcase was recovered and the first thing they saw was like a Buddy Holly t-shirt, people would be like, well, he brought it on himself. He was kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw what he had going on. Yeah. He was willing this into existence. He knew how it was going to go. Yeah. I just, I just had a whole suitcase situation happen. I just like took a whole trip. They lost my bag. Oh no. And it, I got it back two weeks later. Yeah. I got it back two weeks later and it was a direct flight. Yeah. That's the thing that gets confusing. Oh, that's really confusing. It just had to go from here to here. Where are we going? Oh, wow. So here's the thing. So here's the thing. I will say where I was going, but I just want to say. Okay. Okay. I understand how it sounds. I understand how this is going to sound. Okay. And you know what it was? Kind of like how it sounds. Okay. I was going from London to Milan. Okay. And. Nothing wrong with that. It's not, it's not relatable. I mean, okay. Keep going. You know what I mean? It's not like. I was going, well, what? You think it's going to be hard for people to feel bad that you lost your suitcase? Yeah. Okay. I feel like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like it's one of those things where you're just like, oh yeah, like a thousand dollars dropped out of my pocket on the private jet. Sure. And they're like, yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Stop saying stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I was flying from London, Milan. I flew on some like budget airline. Okay. And I sat, it was, it was like, it was one of those airlines where it's like, you can't pick your seat. So they just kind of tell you where you go. And I was. What was the airline? It was called, it was called EasyJet. And if anybody from EasyJet's listening, fuck you EasyJet. EasyJet sucks. I really don't like the way that y'all operate and I won't fly you again if I have any say so about it. EasyJet sucks. EasyJet sucks. It's, this is whatever the opposite of an advertiser. Advertisement is we're doing that. We are not, if anything, they might try to charge us for saying stuff like this. EasyJet, I'm not on your side. If you work at EasyJet, I'm not a fan of you. Work somewhere else. They put me, they put me, you see me, I'm not a small man. Sure. And they put, they, I was in like row like 36R. Yeah. And I was like, my knees couldn't have been more like, I could feel the vertebrae of the man in front of me. Like every vertebrae I could feel on my knee. Sure. And. Yeah. And I was in between, it was me and there was a teenager right here who I could tell was really not happy when I sat down next to him. Yeah. And then a man that's my size, maybe even larger. He was, and I'm, this is not, I'm not saying this in a rude way. I'm saying this in a descriptive way. This man was shaped like a football. Sure. He had like kind of just like a, he was, he was just kind of small on the top and big in the middle. Sure. And now it's all three of us just kind of like, like that. So then there's that. It's always hot on those EasyJets. It's, it's not, yeah, it doesn't, the, the, the air, the air conditioning doesn't really work. It's also the flight. It was at 6 a.m. Yeah. And so there's just so much going on. I will say I did barely get my bag, like the, like the bag cutoff was at like 5.15. I probably got my bag in at like 5.07. Okay. I see. So there is. They're in lies how they lost it. I do. I think it just like didn't, it just, I, you know, the cutoff, I think they didn't really abide by. Sure. And my bag didn't make it on. And then there was supposed to be a thing where they were like, all right, like your bag's lost, but we can get it here by tomorrow. And there's a courier service that we can like send it over. Yeah. And I was like, great. They were like, we can give us your address. We'll just send it over there. The day of, I like get a message and they're like, Hey, we got your bag. We're sending it on the courier service. So it's my last day in Milan. I just spend the whole day just like waiting around. But you had been in Milan this whole time without your normal clothes. I only there was, I was only there for two days. Okay. I was there for, so I got in on Sunday, was supposed to go see this artist play at this music festival. Yeah. And then I had one more day on Monday and then I left on Tuesday. I see. Also the artists that I came to see canceled the show. Didn't say anything. Damn. Wow. Canceled the show. I didn't learn until I got to the place, which was like an hour outside of Milan. Just a curse trip. It was a curse trip. Also, also truly, that's what I get for, yeah, that's what I get for doing stuff like that. And that's, and that's on me. I can't be going to music festivals an hour outside of Milan. I showed up and I've been trying to talk about this on stage, but I showed up and there was this, there's this lady who was like serving these little like pizzas and wine. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I haven't eaten. I'm so hungry. I had to like go buy new clothes. I was like, I'm just going to get a bottle of wine and a pizza. They're making, it's beautiful out there. They're making it in this little like brick oven. And I was like, let me just go do that. And I was like, Hey, one pizza, one wine. She was like, Oh, you need a wristband. And I was like, Hey, well, what if I just pay you with the card? She goes, no, no, no, no. We don't do that. We don't have card stuff. She was like, you can go get, uh, you can go get cash out of an ATM and you can do that. I like leave. I like can't find this ATM. Eventually I find one. I get cash out. I walk back. I bump into this lady and I go, Oh, Hey, like I got the cash. And she goes, Oh, I'm sorry. Your pizza's gone. Oh no. And I said, what do you mean gone? She goes, somebody ate it. And I said, who's somebody? She goes, me. No way. Yes. She said, I ate it. I was hungry. And I did, she goes, and I didn't think you were coming back. And I was like, why not? She was like, you were gone for an hour. I was gone for maybe 25 minutes. That's like the call was coming from inside the house. Yeah. She was like, somebody ate it. Whole time. She's somebody. That's crazy. Nasty stuff. Hey, easy jet. We're not rocking with you. And also, I don't know this Italian woman's name, but I'm not happy. I'm not happy with the way you were behaving. And what, if I may, like what clothes were you wearing at this time, if not your own? I stopped by a Uniqlo. Uniqlo? Shout out to you. They're not paying for me to say this. An Italian Uniqlo. Honestly, I got some pants that I'm really glad I got. That was a silver lining. The pants I got are actually pretty good. You know, it's fine. I've had, this has happened to me plenty of times on tour. There's one time where I lost a suitcase for three weeks, which is insane. And like chasing around airports and like, you know, they'd be like, it's going to be in Amsterdam by this day. And you'd get there and still wasn't there. Also, I would go into those rooms. In the middle of tour? Middle of tour. It was terrible. I literally didn't have it for like a whole three week tour. But I ended up buying all these like white t-shirts and underwear. It sort of became my favorite. Something about like these like shitty white t-shirts, like the way that they like got worn in. Everyone's like, where'd you get that shirt? I'm like, some weird like London version of Sears or something. So silver lining. But you know what's creepy is like going into those rooms in the airport to look, because there's a couple of times where like, you don't think that we have your bag, but if you like come into this like weird back room. Yeah. Come look in the dark. And you just see like, like suitcases from like the nineties, just like the saddest thing of all time. Do you know about these stores that like sells old suitcases? No. Or they sell, there's, I forget what they're called, but this is in Europe. You can go to these stores where all that they stock in these stores is like whatever like the statute of limitations is of like when someone can come pick up their lost luggage. Right. If they miss the window or whatever. They sell that. So they're selling random people's stuff. Oh, they sell the stuff inside the suitcase. The stuff inside. It's like an estate sale, but like, you know. Just people's lost luggage. Sure. Sure. Guess what? You get the suitcase and guess what? You also get six pairs of swim trunks. They were going to Greece. Exactly. And maybe like a Rolex from like 1984. Well, and that's, you know what? And that's actually what I'm fishing around for. There you go. There's, there's a name for these stores. We have to figure it out. Yes. It's in Alabama. Yes. My girlfriend's from Alabama and her, her family's who told me about this. This all makes sense. Oh, interesting. Okay. Hey, I don't know if we have any Alabama listeners. If, if y'all do swing by, you might find something interesting. Drop it in the Carments. Drop it in the Carments if you've been to one of these places and if they're worth going to. Carments is going to stick. Carments is good. I think Carments is going to be. That's the merch right there. Yeah. Ooh, I like that. We still haven't named my fan. Does your fan base have a name? We, we were calling them like a, I guess like my fan club is called Fam Club. I like that. Thank you. It's like, it's like, it's kind of sticky, but not at the same time. Not at all. It's like, it just sounds like you're saying one of the words wrong. What about you? Uh, no, it's actually been a big, it's been a big conversation point. We've been trying to name the fan base. A lot of things have been submitted. Uh, some people have said we should call the fan base of the show, The Lyricists. Okay. Um. That's good. It's, it does work. It does work. It does work, but we haven't landed on anything for sure. Okay. What you think. Yeah. What you think the name of our podcast. Anytime you see it, just start pitching stuff. People have, people have pitched stuff related to my name, but I don't really want that to be. It could be the Carmenters. Whoa. Whoa. Big day. Come on. We're coming up with, yeah. Big day for Carman related stuff. Yeah. Big day for Carman. On the show. Uh, do you, I guess what? Caleb, Caleb has the Calabrities. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, that is pretty. Is that like Calesbians 2 or something like that? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. He's got two. He's got a, he's got. He's got two. He's got a sexuality specific one. Yeah. Fuck. Not that many people have stuff like that. Innovative. Damn. Shout out to, shout out to Caleb. That's actually how we met. We met. In Kansas City like two years ago. Me and you met. Yes. You and I, you and I met. I was thinking about it because we did Big Slick. We did. We did. They do a big charity event every year in Kansas City and I went two, two summers ago. Yeah. Yeah. And it was super fun. And I was thinking about a memory from that is when I met you and I forget, I was telling you some story. I was telling you and Caleb a story. Yeah. Because how old are you? 35. You're 35 and I'm 38. Yeah. And so at the time I was 36. Do you remember this? And I was telling you. Caleb's really rude about this kind of stuff. He's really rude about age. Yes, he is. He's like 42. He's, Caleb's actually 55. He's 55. That's what nobody's talking about. Yeah, exactly. He lies and says he's like 31, but it's not true. Yeah, yeah. Caleb fought in. Vietnam War. Nobody wants to talk about that, but that is true. If you guys fact check it, there's photos of him there. Yeah, you can find. But I remember telling you guys a story and I don't even remember what it was, but my age pertained to the story. And I remember I was like, you know, cause I'm 36. And then I just, I like blanked. So I just ended at that. And you were like, and? I was like, and that's okay, brother. Ain't nothing wrong with that. A lot of people in this world are. I think it's like, I said the words and I was like, oh my God, could that be right? But you know, now 36, that sounds like a young man to me. In your 30s, it does. It gets strange because like, it starts being like, like now I start hearing about people being like 41. Yeah. And that used to feel so far away. Sure. And now I'm like, oh, that's not. Oh, very soon. You know, it's like not like the, it's like 40 is a, it's a number that makes sense. 40 for years is just like a number in theory. Absolutely. When you're 12, you can't even, 40 might as well be a hundred. Yeah, sure. You know, absolutely. Then you hit like 33 and you're like, oh, so it's all right. So seven years ago I was 26 and now seven years from now I'll be 40. You know, it's a creepy fact is that 35 where you're at right now, your equal distance from 20 to 50. I don't, I don't like you saying that. It's a crazy thing. I remember when I was 18 years old, when I was 18 years old, I was at a party in Portland, Oregon and I met someone, I was talking to him for a while and he asked how old I was. I said, 18. I asked how old he was. And when he said the words, the word 30, I swear to God, my heart stopped. And I was like, get away I don't want whatever you have. You shouldn't even be, which, what kind of party was it? I mean, it was like, uh, you know, it was like some punk show or something. Oh, got you. Got you. Still probably a little strange, but like, you know, but at the same time, I don't know. You got to do something when you're 30. I will say when you're 30, if you meet anybody really under the age of like 23, you're like, ah, well maybe I'm in the wrong place. Maybe I should go to a different type of environment where everybody's got a similar thing to what I got going. But I was like, get out of here. But now you can really envision. I mean, when I always like, have like, since I've been a kid, like all my friends, oftentimes like 10 years older than me, like I was in a band called woods, they're all 10 years older than me. They're still like my best friends, but all now being my late thirties, those guys are in their late forties. I have so many friends who are going to turn 50 soon. I'm like, man, it's there. It is. There it is. It's right there. Real numbers. Yeah. They're real numbers and, uh, and they can, they can get you. Yeah. They can get you. It's good. We got to put up numbers. You know, I got 35 of them things on the board. It is like people don't talk. I mean, now I've started to understand, like, I think, uh, it's so scary to be in your thirties when you're like 21. Yeah. But now like I understand, cause now like if you talk to somebody who's 60, they're like, oh yeah, you couldn't pay me to be 22 again. Totally. And then you start to understand why people say that because you're, cause you're, cause you're stupid and strange at those ages. I have a feeling that 50 is going to be, 50 is going to be, 50 is going to be the best decade. That's my theory. I feel like I get more and more comfortable, like just, you know, I know myself. I also feel like my own authority or something. Still, even when I was like 29, I remember like meeting people who are like 33 and I'm like, they must know what they're talking about because they're like older than me. But now I'm like, no, I I'm comfortable with how I feel about everything. And I was in a bathroom recently waiting. Let's go. It's like a class. These stories, you never know where you go land on these stories. We could be in the recording booth. We could be in Milan doing an obnoxious stuff. We could also be in the bathroom. In a way, like a bathroom stall is a recording booth. Come on, back to you, Kevin. I was in Boston and this is like a classic, like being on tour, like on a bus is you wake up and it's just like becomes a search for like taking a shit. Like where can I, like, where's your bathroom? You can't do it on the bus. You cannot do it on the bus. That's against the tour rules. Yes. It's just the, the, the tank can't take it or whatever. Oh, so it's like pay to get a repair. It'll break it. Oh, I thought it was like a, uh, kind of like, Hey, we've all agreed. No, no, no. We've made a handshake agreement, a gentleman's agreement that no one will be doing that. Not at all. If we get it, it would make the bus smell like shit. That's the thing. Yeah. That's what I thought is like, everybody was just like, Hey, we all just don't do that, but it breaks it. But it's like, you know, you have to, some people, like if you get really, really nice tour buses, like, like the Dave Matthews thing, they get shit on their bus and then they like let it over the canal or whatever. And yeah, on a tour, but, or like on a, like a tour boat group, like a wedding boat, I think like a wedding reception, which is amazing. Yeah. That is a story that you'll keep with you for the future. I would also say it's a high probability that like whoever's wedding that was like Dave Matthews band was on the playlist of that wedding. I would have to imagine if you're on a boat in Chicago for your wedding and that's how you want to do it. That's actually probably the best thing that could possibly happen. You care about what you wish for. You want some Dave for your wedding? You know, you got all the Dave you could handle. You got what he ate yesterday. But the point is, Dave burritos all over your wedding dress. Dave burritos. Exactly. But I, I was like looking for a like, you know, you'll go to like a Starbucks or something or like a hotel lobby is like really the hack. They'll never question you. Yeah. Yeah. You could be staying there. Exactly. So you just walk in, there's always a bathroom in the lobby, but I ended up in like a mall. You're always, it just takes you on this crazy adventure. Like the, the act of needing to take a shit like early in the morning. And so I get into this busy mall and I go into the bathroom and there's like a line for the stalls and I was like, okay, so I'm waiting there. And then it gets to this point where there's like this, like maybe like 17 year old kid in front of me and he's next. Right. And all these stalls are taken. And then a stall opens up and right as a stall opens up a kid, uh, maybe let's say like a 15 year old kid starts walking to that stall. It doesn't understand that there's a line. There's been a line for these stalls. And he just thinks that this has opened up. So he walks straight into that. And it was like, I didn't have to think about it, but I was like, Hey, like son, no, there's a line here. I didn't drop a son, but like, I think I would now. Cause I'm a dad. Yeah, yeah, sure. But I said like change that vocabulary or something, but it was just one of those things where I'm like, Whoa, like I don't have a problem being like the authoritative figure here, but I'm like, there's a line, there's a way this works. This guy's going next. And then me get in line. If you want to go where I feel like in the past, I'd be like, whatever. He got the bathroom. Sure. I know what you mean. There are certain things that you like, you look up at it and you're like, Oh yeah, I guess I am in a different stage of life. Exactly. As I grow older, I just, the point being I'm having more fun in certain ways, I guess, because I'm telling people what to do. And people don't talk about that. Yeah. People don't talk about that. People are all scared to get 30. They're scared. It gets actually pretty cool. I feel like that's like a, that's a hinge point. It's a, my body still works, which is cool. That's good. My body still works. Everything. My knees are still like, okay. I get a little bit more sore and a little bit more tired, but for the most part I'm doing all right. But I do, I am afraid every time I do a physical activity, I've been playing a lot of tennis lately. Yeah. Oh yeah. I play tennis. Oh, you do? Yeah. We should play sometime. I would love to. Yeah. It's like kind of impossible to find a court to play on in New York. New York. It's hard. It's really hard. It's kind of the hardest place. LA is very good. LA is pretty literally any other place in America. You can find a place to play tennis every single day. Kansas City. There's not, it's like, it's not a lot of courts. There's a lot of courts, just no one uses them. That's where I grew up in Texas. Yeah. It's the same. I don't, I never even knew anybody who played tennis growing up. I guarantee you I could go any day that we can go. Yeah. Start playing. But tennis is great. I love it. I played this morning. I got my ass kicked by like a 50 year old lady. Oh, amazing. And that's, that's the worst. Well, and that can happen. Wow. We just, I just found out we're 30 minutes in. Time flies. Time flies. Time flies what we're having for, we haven't even talked about that much music stuff. Just real quick. Yes. Uh, my girlfriend's mom, shout out to Tracy, is really good at tennis. Yeah. And she once told me that if you ever play in somebody who's a little bit older, who has an injury, they're going to be the best person in tennis because they know just where to put the ball. That's literally what happened to me today. I was just telling them the funny thing, the cool thing about tennis is like, unlike other sports, it like really doesn't matter if you're like a better athlete than the person who's across from you. Cause it's like so much based on like timing and placement and like technique. Exactly. And so it's like this lady, this lady that I played, she's bigger and stronger and faster than her, but it was just like literally the last two points that we played. I like came up to the net. I was like, Ooh, I'm gonna get her on a volley. She put these like perfectly placed shots directly. She read you like a book. She did. She was like, Oh, I know exactly where it needs to go. She put it right in the corner, right past where I could reach. And that's how I lost the last two points. She probably thought in her head as she saw you charging the net. Idiot. Idiot. Like put it exactly where it needed to go. Hey, older woman, if you're listening and then we know that you are. Respect. You got it. You got it. And you're, you're one of the ones and I underestimated you. And, uh, and ultimately it was to my demise. So that's, that's a lesson that I had to learn today. Kevin, musically, because this is, this is a music show. We can talk about all kinds of things, tours and, and bathrooms and suitcases. Also, my suitcase somehow went, they sent it from Milan back to London and then they sent it from London to Dubai. Oh, wow. For whatever reason. It went on its own journey. It's went, my bag got to Dubai before I ever did. I mean, and then they sent it from Dubai back to New York. Wow. And so it was on like an Emirates flight. Wow. Somehow, some way traveling in style. Yeah. My bag's living really nice. Yeah. Um, to, to get to music. I like to ask people what they grew up listening to on the show. What, what kind of stuff was a, was a young Kevin listening to? I, I didn't grow up with much music in the household. So it was all coming from the radio. So it's same. My parents, they listen to some music, but it really wasn't. My house is so musical, but it wasn't like that for me. It was like, I think in the nineties it was all pretty strong songwriting, like stuff that was popular on the radio. Like I was in a cafe earlier today and that wallflower song was playing one headlight and like, so stuff like that, you know, like, uh, all these sort of one hit wonders of the nineties were like third eye blind and the wallflowers, uh, ever clear. Third eye blind was jumper. Jumper. Exactly. And I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend. You would cut ties with all the lies that you've been living in. And if you do not ♪ I want to see me again ♪ - What would you do? And that one goes up. Those lyrics are hard. No, it really is. Like, actually, when you realize what it's about. Also, Simmy Charm Kind of Life is about, like, doing meth. I did not know that. Yeah. He says, I think he even says crystal meth in the song. He says crystal. It's like, crystal pick me up again or something like that. That makes sense. And he's talking about going up for methamphetamines. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Gotcha. Exactly. But all that stuff is what I listen to. And that became, like, my introduction, which eventually, you know, led to bands like Green Day or something. Which is, like, once you're listening to music like that, you go see, like, a Green Day show. And then they're, like, they have a cool, like, the Get Up Kids are opening. And they cover a placement song and the Ramones. And you're like, who are these bands? And then you're off. Then you have, like, the best, you know, access to, like, the best music ever made. Was Green Day your first concert? No, my first concert was Lit, No Doubt, and Black Eyed Peas. And my sister won tickets on the radio. It was sick. It's, you know, I'm going to make this about me for a second. Everybody's first concert and first album was so much better than this. What was yours? First concert I ever saw live. My parents was not, it never even was on the table for me to go to a concert when I was growing up. Like, it was never even presented to me. So I just never even thought to ask. Yeah. And I'm from Austin, Texas. So it's, like, people were coming. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, a lot of that's, there's, you know, it's live music capital. The first live music act that I ever saw was this guy, this rap guy called Shwayze. Okay. Do you remember? That's cool. No. It wasn't. It was, does anybody remember Shwayze in this room? Corona and Lime? Yes. Corona and Lime. I didn't even know this. He had a song called Corona and Lime. Shwayze? It was a black guy who rapped and a white guy on the guitar. Patrick Shwayze. Shwayze. And they made kind of like, kind of like surf rap music. It was like the kind of- Surf rap? Who the fuck is that? And that's not even- That sounds sick. That's not even, you know, because it wasn't even surf. Surf rap. Yeah, honestly, it's the first time those words have- That needs to be a thing. That's a genre you just created. Somebody should be doing that. Yes. There's a production, there's a rap production group called Surf Gang. But that's just kind of what they're called. It's not really related to surfing. What venue was it in in Austin? I forget. I want to say it was maybe like, I forget. It was like somewhere downtown. It might not even exist. But I went when I was like a senior in high school during South by Southwest. That late? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not see live music. I did not grow up. Like I said, my parents weren't doing it. Did you have a good time? Or were you aware like, this is, this sucks? No, I was like 17. So I was like, yeah, sure, cool. I did have a good time. And I did think it was interesting. But it was not, it's not going to see No Doubt at my first ever concert. No Doubt was pretty sick. That's tight. And do you know, do you remember who Lit is? They opened? No, I don't remember Lit. Lit is the like, cars in the front yard, came in through the window last night. I always thought that was a Blink-182 song. No, it's Lit. The One Hit Wonder. Huh. And then Black Eyed Peas before like anyone knew who they were. Oh, sure. Was Fergie there? I don't know. Because Fergie wasn't a part of the original lineup. Then probably not. And they were, it was like early on. No one knew who they were. Okay, this is before everything. Yeah, and way before everything. And then, yeah, and then No Doubt. And No Doubt was sick. Damn. That's a really good concert. What was the first CD you ever owned? I think it was Third Eye Blind's self-title record. Damn. That or like, I remember like, we definitely had like a Backstreet Boys CD. And then also like a Robin CD, like randomly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had this cool career. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had like a hit that we somehow had. Huh. Yeah. Somebody just randomly, I was hanging out with a friend. And they were just like, hey, do you want to go see Robin tonight? Like my, another one of their friends was going. And yeah. The answer was no. But I didn't really want to. But like, no disrespect to Robin. It's just. She's maintained a cool career. Yeah. Like, it seemed like she survived just being like a one-hand wonder of the 90s. And that's, and God bless. Yeah, God bless. God bless. My first album that I ever owned was Nick Cannon's self-titled EP. Wow. I've said this, I've said this on the show a lot of times. Nick Cannon's self, like not even, because he was in 98 Degrees? No, no, no. You're thinking of Nick Lachey. Oh, okay. That's from 98 Degrees. Who's Nick Cannon? Nick Cannon. Whoa, that's beautiful. Yeah. That's so tight that you don't know who Nick Cannon is. I will know who this person is when I see their face. Nick, Nick Cannon, you will. He, Drumline, the movie, Drumline? Okay. Still nothing. Yes, no, I know, I know the movie. I know, I've known the title. He's the main guy. Oh, yes. Okay, interesting. I feel like all of like these things, this is your first CD and then. He was married to Mariah Carey. Okay. Wait, this is the album. This. Oh, nice. This was the first album I ever had. Oh, that's funny. That looks like a Paul Simon album cover. And I'm sure that's what he was going for. Yeah, there you go. I'm sure, I'm sure Nick Cannon was like. It looks very similar. I believe you. Do Paul Simon a self-titled, but Nick Cannon, first CD. That seems, okay. The lead single, and I've said this on the show a lot of times. Right there. Oh, wow. It actually is like that. It's very similar. Maybe that is what he was going for. I was kind of making a joke, but these are actually, they're both self-titled projects with like the exact same jacket on. There you go. Huh. Well, Nick Cannon, if you're listening, we know that you are at one. Come do the show. Nick, please. Get in here. Please. Please come do the show. Paul Simon. Paul Simon. We still got Paul Simon, right? Yeah, I think he's okay. He's still. I think he's written some amazing songs. Oh, yes. He's alive. He's still with us. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah. But I just outed myself, I guess, as like not the biggest Paul Simon. He's fine. It's okay. Yeah. I think we're both on that page. There you go. Shout out, shout out Paul Simon, I guess. Simon and Garfunkel, everything they had going on. Some great songs there. Great songs there. They got 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. God bless. God bless. Kevin, you brought us some lyrics today. I brought some lyrics. This is hard. Have you had many songwriters on the podcast? Not a ton. Okay. I think we've had rappers, which is kind of a different thing, but actual songwriters in the way that you are, I think you might be my favorite lyrics first. Okay. Amazing. I'm glad to be here. It was hard for me because there's so many lyrics that I love. I mean, and let's get into it. I also like, I talk about this on the show all the time, I like, I think inherently this show leans rap and R&B. Yeah. I like anytime anybody brings stuff that feels like kind of untouched. And I think you've done, when James Austin Johnson came, he brought a bunch of Steely Dan lyrics. Amazing. Because he's big on that. Sure. I can see that. Yeah. You're like, that tracks for who I know him to be. And yeah, I don't know. I don't know much about any of this. So yeah. Okay. Take us into whatever. All right. We'll go. Snow is Falling in Manhattan first. There's a lot of crazy layers to this song, but this is written by a guy named David Berman, who's like one of my biggest inspirations, like since high school. He passed away tragically by suicide a couple of years ago. I don't know. I don't know. And he made this album called. It's called Purple Mountains, and the project's called Purple Mountains, and the album's the same name. And it's a very dark record. It's hard to listen to, because it's sort of like he left this suicide note. Like he put out that record and then killed himself shortly after. Oh, no. So it's very heavy, but he was in a band called The Silver Jews with Stephen Malcomas from Pavement. Okay. And they're widely considered one of the best indie rock bands of all time. But he's almost like poet first, musician second. So his lyrics are just watertight. They're, as a writer, everyone looks to him. It's like the competition. Like he is, he's like the, as good as it gets. Whoa. And it's amazing. And I picked this line. It's from his song, Snow is Falling in Manhattan, because it's about songwriting. And I just think it's like the most eloquent, amazing, poetic way of talking about songs. Like a songwriter talking about like what songs are. But so he says, songs build little rooms in time, and housed within the song's design is a ghost the host has left behind to greet and sweep the guest inside, stoke the fire, and sing his lines. Which I think is beautiful, because he's saying. Like, you know, a song is a little room in time. Thinking of it is that. It's a little like invisible room in time that you can go inside of every time you listen to it. I think that's beautiful. And then like the ghost that the host has left behind is like the voice that is captured on a recording. You know, you're hearing this sort of like ghost of a person's voice. I just think it's such a like beautiful thing. And then obviously it's like, the feelings around are amplified because he passed away. Right. Because of the circumstances around his passing. Yeah. So I just think, you know, David Berman, if we're going to talk about lyrics, I think he's like the as good as it gets. And I think he's amazing. And I think that like, you know, anyone who's never heard of him should check out his whole catalog. It's unbelievable. And so, yeah, that's. And also, very bizarrely, so Snow is Falling in Manhattan, the music, like what the, you know, the musical arrangement of this. That, you know, the song, the lyrics are over. It was discovered after he passed away that there's this Sex and the City episode where it's like during a snowfall. Snow is Falling in Manhattan. And this song is playing. So it's like he borrowed. Yeah. Whoever scored that episode, he took that music and wrote this song, but didn't tell anybody. Oh. And then people had to like figure it out on their own, like after he died, which is just like sort of this nugget that he left behind. That's beautiful. So it's a very perplexing. Everything about it is just kind of amazing. But I just love, I love that line. This is, yeah, this is really lovely. I don't know. I don't know any of this man's music, but I'm going to check it out. I'm going to peep. Cool. Are you a Sex and the City viewer? No, casually. Katie is. Okay. So I feel like I'm always just like taking it. And from the other catching little glimpses, catching glimpses. It seems great. My. It seems like something I'll get around to at some point. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. That's like, uh, that's the way that you said it seems great. That's like how my, that's like anytime I like watch like a, like a eight 24 movie and I tell my dad about it. That's the way he was. He's always like, yeah. Incredible. Yeah. No, that's true. Yeah. That's how. No. Okay. Okay. So it's all a dream. So it was. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So they thought. It was happening, but then they realized that they were, it was all happening in their amount. Okay. Yeah. I'll check that out. And he's like, do you ever wonder what the point is of making that? I took my dad into a Sprouts not too long ago. And I wish that I like, uh, recorded his, uh, reaction, you know, Sprouts, the grocery store. I took him in there and like, to his credit, we were looking for like, like, like something to start like, you know, a grill with or something, which they certainly didn't have. But my dad was just like, he was like, what is this place? And I, my dad's the best, but I was like, I was like, I was like, come on. It's like this grocery store. Like, don't make fun of my grocery store. And he was like, it seems like this is the type of place people in here, they go to the library. And your dad was like. and your dad will say something like that they're like ultimately it's like it's like a good thing but they will say it with like a little like yeah totally it was very funny my dad anytime like anytime my dad watches a movie that he doesn't really care for he'll always be like nah but I think you like it though you like that kind of artsy stuff yeah there you go you like stuff when it's kind of artsy and that oftentimes means something gay happened to the movie yeah exactly my dad says I like that artsy stuff that just means two girls might have kissed yeah there you go and he's kind of like ah that's that's not my flavor yeah Sprouts is kind of artsy Sprouts is an artsy grocery store I will say the way your dad felt about going inside of Sprouts that's how I felt the first time I went to Erewhon yeah exactly I was just kind of like this is one took over the line I'm not supposed to be in here one took over the line this is I have friends who really are who preach that ministry but yes so do I I did fly to Milan but I'm not living I'm not living like Erewhon yet if you're from Texas if you're from Kansas City Erewhons are tough you're like I can't I don't know I gotta go somewhere else I was like y'all don't even got Captain Crunch in here yeah exactly that it's like come on there needs to be something for the people yeah you need some you need some cereal it can't be all Haley Bieber smoothie no disrespect to the the Bieber family no disrespect to Haley no disrespect to Haley no disrespect to Justin it is a good smoothie you've had it I have had it interesting yeah I went yeah Coastal Elite there we go yeah Coastal Elite it's happening he lived in the middle of the country but he'd be going other places I have had the the Bieber smoothie yes it's probably the tastiest I had a smoothie this morning they're delicious you brought us a Nina Simone song yes which is this is an artist that has not come up and it's somebody that I have a lot of respect for let's talk about this she's the greatest Nina Simone is like certainly in like my top five I believe she wrote this song you know she's done a lot of covers and then like she'd do co-writes and stuff but I think that she wrote this you can fact check me on it but even she didn't I mean it's her song she has like that rare power of making whatever she sings hers because she's Miss Nina Simone she's the she's the best but I love this song and recently like I was thinking of like something a little bit funny I was talking about this song and I like I forget who I was telling I was at a bar or something but I was like oh you know like Nina Simone's got that great song where she talks about her boobies and I think it was to Katie but she was like no you're lying she doesn't say the word boobies I was like she says the word boobies and that's in the have you heard this song no I haven't it's like the greatest song of all time give the title give the title of the song to the people okay the song is called Ain't Got No slash I Got Life and it's like it's kind of like it fluctuates between like this song that's like sort of like this sad minor chord song and then it goes major and like when it's over the minor chord it's just like she's listing off I love songs that are just like lists where it's just like throwing stuff out like this this this this and she's kind of doing that and so like for the sort of like Ain't Got No portion of the song she's listing out everything that she doesn't have but then it like becomes the song sort of lifts and becomes major and then she she's talking about she starts singing what she does have and sort of like the gratitude for what she does have it's such a great song there's so many so many like amazing live clips of her playing this live it's just incredible but she's got this run of lyrics that says she's like then what have I got why am I alive anyway yeah what have I got nobody can take away got my hair got my head got my brains got my ears got my eyes got my nose got my mouth I got my smile I got my tongue got my chin got my neck got my boobies got my heart got my soul got my back got my sex so she's like she just starts throwing it all out there and it's one of the best songs of all time yeah that is I have a real appreciation for this though because it is like really going to the like it's going to the like things that are like that you carry with you every single day and it's like you can take everything else away from me but I'll always have this I'll always always have my chin and the things and you know I like that she said the thing about her chin because we have like a similar chin you and Nina Simone yeah I don't want to say let's go ahead and bring that in as well this should just be a wall of people who look like yeah cross racial I like cross racial comparisons y'all can't see it because it's off camera for reasons that we can't get into right now but we've got a picture of Meryl Streep and Future go ahead and google that if you're not familiar Kevin also brought up when we were off mic Jay-Z and the former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman but now we've got a we've got a new comparison that might have to go up on the wall which is Kevin Morby and the great Nina Simone if profile I don't want to like no no it's happening say anything disparaging there's maybe a little bit of a double chin happening with her but there's certainly a double chin happening with me and I've literally for a long time it's just like you know it's just there like if I'm just like regular and it looks profile let's write this down we're going to go ahead and get that side by side because this is the first time that that's ever been said on any sort of recorded airway that Nina Simone has a double chin no that Nina Simone and Kevin Morby have the same chin situation we have the same so yeah because I don't like I'll own my double chin I don't want to say because I'm just saying I've always I've been like we have a similar chin the area from our chin to our neck is similar and it's always given me confidence in my body that's beautiful and that's what the song is about too and that's what the song is about carrying with you the things that you have your heart and your soul and your boobies if you got them and these are things we take for granted that's true you don't think about you're thinking about oh I gotta fly to Milan and wear all my suitcases and do but you're thinking about stuff like that everybody thinks about stuff like that you're like I've got my back and I've got that dude's back because I can feel it through the yeah because I can feel his vertebrae on my knees yeah this is gonna be your new favorite song if you haven't heard this song I have not heard this song it's an unbelievable song I actually don't think I haven't heard any of the songs that you brought and you've given me good homework and then you got one more song that you brought for us this one is a terrifying song it's almost Halloween it's gonna be next month around the time this comes out I bet you Halloween will be close okay perfect this is a terrifying song that plays out sort of like a horror movie when you listen to it it's called Psycho by Eddie Nowak and it's a very very scary song and it's like four verses I think this is the first verse I mean it's terrifying but there's something it's just like a classic country song but then the lyrics are like so dark and about him murdering I guess his ex-girlfriend and then her boyfriend and then like a little girl at the park and then eventually his mother it's so dark but you I just find it interesting you know on a podcast about lyrics because it just shows the power of you know the melody is sort of like I don't know it's sort of almost like a happy-go-lucky song but then it's these dark lyrics but it feels like a film when you listen to it so I think it's sort of like a master class of like this creepy murder ballad just done super well but terrifying songs okay so the lyric is I think this is the first verse I've seen my ex last night mama at a dance at Miller's store she was with that Jackie White mama I killed them both and they're buried under Jenkins Sycamore don't you think I'm psycho mama you can pour me a cup if you think I'm psycho mama you better lock you better let them lock me up and in the last verse of this song he's talking to his mama and he's like and at the end of it he's like mama get up like he's killed her so it's just a very terrifying song but I think it's like sort of masterfully written and like it's gonna be it's almost Halloween and if you listen to the song like watching a horror movie it's effective you know can I say something kind of critical of mama sure just by the end of this verse sure by the end of this verse he's kind of saying if you don't like if you think I'm psycho mama you better let him lock me up and it's like hey mom make that phone call make that phone call we know he's your son listen to the way that he's speaking he doesn't need to be out with everybody else he needs to be put away yes he's speaking in plain terms where the crazy guys go because this is a guy and so it's like you know if your son's telling you all this stuff and then he gets you next you kind of you gotta be like ah well I earned this it was maybe coming I earned this one this is kind of all the writing was on the wall and it was on the wall maybe in my bathroom in blood and I wasn't looking at it yeah yeah exactly you may have said Red Room up on the I'm not familiar with the artist with Eddie Nowak is he making spooky music just kind of generally I actually don't know that's a great question I see I haven't really listened to anything else besides this song this song is one of those because then once you hear that you're like yeah I'm gonna move on to a different artist yeah exactly I'm gonna go ahead and listen to Nina Simone somebody that I'm physical similar with yes exactly I get it so it's a pretty creepy song but it's just really affected me for you know however long I've known this song how could it not how could it not yeah and so if you wanna if you wanna get scared you know it's like it's like an A24 movie in a song so something that neither of our dads would be interested in exactly yeah stuff that our dads would get a hold of and be like if my dad heard me if I put this song in the car with my dad he would tell me to turn that shit off yeah of course yeah that was a big part of me and my dad's relationship growing up I guess that's what it's like just to be like a young person and be into young people music I was trying to put on like Lil Wayne mixtapes yeah and my dad it would be a lot to like swallow was very quickly like hey man there's too many there's too many pussy puns in this don't have this song anymore there's too many pussy puns and gun stuff sure do you know Modest Mouse you know the band Modest Mouse I had a big Modest Mouse face they're one of my favorite bands of all time but I still remember to this day like being like 15 and putting them on in the car and my dad's reaction he was just like whatever that is yeah I don't want I don't want to be come on dad you can't get involved with Ocean Breathe Salty great song incredible song this was the earlier stuff than that I feel like that era is a little bit more palatable sure but it was like you know he's doing his thing he's going wild on the microphone but yeah it's great I wonder with my son what he's going to put on it's probably like some weird AI like insane absolutely by then it'll be like mainly AI artists and it's like speaking in Bitcoin language or something sure sure sure it's like a language did you ever what is this did you guys ever have that like you know because we're around the same age when like when ringtones were like a big thing yeah there was like one ringtone that you could set that was like a tone that you could only hear if you were under a certain age what do you remember this no and it was like it was a thing that like did anybody else what yeah you know what I'm talking about what are you talking about there was like a tone there was a frequency that you could only hear if you were like under a certain age so like in my like high school it was like very popular for somebody to play the tone and then all the kids were like and the teacher has no idea That's crazy. That was like very, okay, so just us. This would be back to Caleb since he's, I don't know if he's in his 40s or 50s, I forget. 60s maybe. We should play this tone and he won't be able to hear it. And that'll let him know that he's older as well. I'm only giving Caleb so much shit about pretending that he's older than he is because he's constantly making jokes about my age. Well, and the thing about it is like the first time Caleb made a joke about my age, I was the age that he is right now. Yes, there you go. You see what I'm saying? It comes for everyone. I'm also, Caleb, sometimes, hey, Caleb, if you're listening, and I know that you're not because I know you're not listening to a lot of comedians' podcasts, and bravo to you for that. But the thing is, I'm four years older than Caleb. I'm exactly four years older than Caleb. We basically are the same age. But if you let him tell it, I'm in a walker. If you let him tell it, I need help getting up off the couch. Yes, exactly. That's the way that he speaks to me sometimes. At my birthday this year when I turned 38, he's like, you've been growing old for so long. So proud of you. When I'm back, because I lived in Brooklyn from when I was 18 to like 25. Okay. Like 06 to 2013 or something. Whoa. Yeah. That seems, that was, damn, that seems like a good time. Golden era. That does the, I actually really wish I could have been around for that. Un-fuck-with-a-ball era. Yeah, yeah. Like time and place to be in New York. It was the funnest thing of all time. Wait, talk about that for a second. It was incredible. Well, when I come back and I talk about it, I sound like I'm 90 years old. I'm like, I remember like carrying my window unit. It was so sweaty out. I couldn't get it all the way up the stairs, you know? But it was amazing. I lived in Williamsburg the whole time for the most part. Damn. It was like, I never paid more than like $350 in rent. And it was just warehouses and, you know, art galleries throwing crazy ass shows. The Whole Foods wasn't there yet. The Whole Foods was not there. You know, the whole waterfront wasn't there. And I mean, this becomes boring really quick, but it was an amazing, amazing time, especially to be young and just have that energy and, you know. Yeah, that does. I do wish I could have. I was very young during that. So it's like, I don't know what I would have been up to. Sure. You would have had a lot of fun. I would have had a good time. I remember like day three that I was in New York, like after moving here. I was 18 years old and my friend took me to like, it was just like rubble on like the East River, like on the Williamsburg side. And like we had to like sneak in and like drinking wine, you know, and like smoking cigarettes right there. It's just the funnest thing ever. Now it's all the high rises. Literally the other day I was like riding city bikes around with Caleb and our friend Liam. And I was like, dude, and that's where, and literally Liam goes, shut up, dude. He's like, dude, stop. We don't care that you went to like a DIY show there and like fucking 2008. No one cares. People don't like to hear that stuff. People don't like to hear that stuff, but it is fun. It is fun to point out. It's fun to point out. It is fun to be like, hey, well that actually didn't used to be that. Yeah, exactly. That actually used to be, y'all wasn't around, but that actually, right now it's a KFC, but that actually used to be where I found love. I think I was literally telling them like, you know, like we didn't have the e-bike thing when I was here. Like we had to pedal. And they're like, dude, shut up. Yeah, they're like, stop saying any of that around me. You become old real quick, but it's, you know, it's a beautiful thing. Life comes at you fast. Before we get you out of here, Kevin, we've got a voicemail. Okay. So just go ahead and grab those headphones right there. Hello, Devin and guests. Roland here, checking in from Berlin. Berlin. Nice. Yo, can I tell you something? Just for the listeners, me and Carmen went to this, we were at this music festival in London and a guy from like Barcelona pulled us, like pulled us aside and was like, oh, you guys do the music podcast. We're going, we're going international. Viral in Europe. Feels nice. Wanting to talk about a song called By the Time I Get the Phoenix. Great song. This guy, German as hell. Great song. Okay. I don't know this song. Yeah. Glen Campbell. Performed in 1969 by the late Isaac Hayes. The song was originally written by Glen Campbell. Oh yeah. The cover's unreal. That's a lot to it through his introduction. And I actually missed these long, soulful introductions. Isaac does roughly eight minutes before the song starts. Eight minutes. And then he mostly talks about one party cheating, thinking the other party does the same, whereas the other partner actually just is trying to endure in the relationship. I remember first listening to the song and as a self-proclaimed nice guy, one line struck me. Wait, wait, that's also really funny. Cause he goes as a self-proclaimed nice guy, as if he's skeptical about his own nice guy. Yes. He might be the public may view him as evil, but he's like, but no, but, but I'll tell you how I feel about myself. I dude, I just recently became aware of this cover. Okay. Coach Himea, uh, my friend coach Himea who plays in my band. Um, we were on the tour bus, like leaving some stuff. Leaving some city. And we were talking about the song, uh, by the time I get to Phoenix. And he was like, do you know the Isaac Hayes cover? And he put it on and it was, there's like the eight minute intro. And I was like, yo, dude, when's the song start? But it's pretty sick. That's, uh, yeah. A lot of songs that my dad used to listen to would just like, you know, in those like old songs from like the sixties and seventies, like they wouldn't end, they would just kind of groove for like three more minutes and then it would just like fade out. Yeah. It was like, Oh yeah. See, I'll just jam for like 20 minutes. And then that is the sound of cocaine. Yeah, truly. Yeah. Everybody just having a blast. The sound of cocaine. All right. Let's see. It goes as following and you know, girls, you could take love and kindness sometime for weakness and she took it for granted. Now my question is, is the loss of the long soulful intro, where we took a wrong turn when it comes to contemporary dating, when we shortened the songs, we actually ended up shortening relationships. Whoa. Long time listener. I know you Devin have been convinced that music used to be better before. So what did we? We really lose along the way of this gets picked up of the pod and uh, yeah, first of all, first of all, this is the most European like, uh, thing of all time. Yeah. The deep thinker right there. That's wow. Roland, you know, when you got on it first, I was a little bit skeptical about what you had going on. Thank you for listening, Roland. I appreciate you. But, uh, by the time you made it to the end, I was like, this is exactly the type of listeners we're looking for. He dropped a bomb. That was in depth. I was impressed by that question. And actually there might be something to it. Yeah. There might be something to it. I think there was, I think you used to have to be more patient and now everything has to move really quickly. Absolutely. And I think maybe we feel that way in life and in love. Totally. Not you. You're different. You found lasting love. I, yes, I did. I, I, the word lasting, I was like, I thought you said icing love. And I was like, interesting. And you're like, yeah, yeah. I guess we make cakes. I did find lasting love. We make cakes sometimes. Love you, Katie. Oh. Yeah. We make cakes on every, twice a year. Yeah. Real icing love. Yeah. Um, yeah. There, Roland, to answer your question, yes, I actually think, I actually think there might be something to it. I actually think there might be something to the fact that, uh, you used to have to wait eight minutes for the song to start and now the songs last a minute 40. He's comparing the intro to the song as the intro to a relationship, right? Yes. That's beautiful. That's a deep question. Slow clap. Roland. Slow clap. Roland, you're getting a special clap. You go right alongside. Damn. I wish I remembered our other, who is the, well, do you remember the girl's name? Do you remember the girl's name who left those like really profound ones about like George Michael and stuff? I think it was Courtney. Courtney. You go right into the listener hall of fame with Courtney for, uh, for, for voicemails because, uh, yeah, this is, you're really on some shit. Europeans may refuse to have air conditioning, but I think sometimes the refusal to do stuff like that leads them to being able to think deep thoughts like that. A more prosperous life. We're too cold in our houses to. Sure. Go that deep. We're too cold to love properly. Yes, exactly. We're too cold to find, to find deep love. To find, to find deep love in the way that they used to be able to, uh, in, in, in these, in these times. Beautiful question. Yeah. Beautiful question. Shout out to Roland. I want to go to Berlin just separately. Have you been there? No, I've never been. That's one of my favorite cities. It's the greatest. That's the best. I've heard nothing but good things. Yeah. I always love my shows. They're always go off. I love my German audience and I truly do love Berlin. Um, wait, can we, can I talk to you about international touring just for a quick second? Yes. I do a lot of it. Does it feel? Did you come off of a European? Yes. Run. Yeah. I came off on European run and in fact I came home and I landed and I was supposed to have two weeks before our due date for our son and I got back and eight hours later her water broke like in the middle of the night and then we were having a kid while I was super jet lagged. Yeah. Um, which is an insane experience. But I tour over there all the time. Word. I do like, uh, like a notch or two better over there than I do over here. Oh, interesting. Um, which I'll take it. Did you expect that? I didn't expect it at all. It's just like, it's a bizarre thing. Just like the way it comes together. Like the way I do. Tours are always like in London and Paris and they just, it just, there's a, I don't know. There's more of a fever for it over there. Interesting. I also think there's maybe something, I think there's something like a, that feels probably deeply American to them about your music that feels like foreign to it where they're just like, Oh, this is probably what America feels like the way this music sounds, it's probably how America feels. Exactly. I think it's that there is a, yeah. And they're like, I want to be as American as possible or I want to like be like immersed in that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's an interesting thing. It always feels a little bit more, I have to like try a little bit harder or something. We've got so much, all the guys are over here. There's just so much stuff. Yes. You know? Yeah. There's a lot going on. Yes. But in Europe, uh, also I feel like when I tour Europe, I feel like I'm sort of like in a movie of my life kind of thing. Sure. Cause it's so, it's foreign. You're like, wow, who are these people that like, I don't know, they, they look French and they're singing my songs. How the hell did that happen? It's cool. Totally. But then also it's, it's a, you know, like jet lag and all that stuff. And you're just away. You also gotta get, you gotta buy, you gotta buy one of those like plug adapters. Yeah. You gotta get that. The adapter, I actually, my biggest show on this last run of my record cycle so far was in Paris. We played this huge show, this beautiful venue. And it was just like, we sold all these tickets. It was great. And it was, it just like, by all means felt like we'd be catered to. And they were like, they didn't give us anything that we asked for. They're like, mm-mm. And we're like, really? We can't get the like tequila or like the like light beer that's on the ride? They're like, no. And we're like, okay. And then we're like, can we get like some ice? Like, well, I guess we'll get our own. And like, chill it on some ice. Can you get it? Nope. No ice. Like it was just, they gave us nothing. They gave us like two things. It is tight because it's like on a certain level. I respect it because, yeah, when my bag went missing, I was talking to these, like, Italian, like, this Italian courier service, and I was just like, oh, you just don't have to do good customer service over here. Yeah, yeah. I was like, hey, can you guys help me find my bag? They were like, nah. Yeah, exactly. I was like, can you tell me when I'm going to get it back? They were like, not really. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, y'all can just treat people that way. I feel like, exactly. And then you want to say, in America, but you can't say that. You really can't. Then you're in deep shit. Nobody likes it when you say, in America, we do it this way. And also, nobody likes when you point at a Shake Shack and say, that used to be where you used to hold hands with somebody that you cared about. Nobody wants to know about any stuff like that anywhere you go. Exactly. And that's a life lesson. And that's life. And that's something you learn in your 30s that you don't know in your 20s. Yeah, exactly. Kevin, thank you so much for pulling up. Devin, thank you. Thanks for having me. And y'all be sure, listen to everything that Kevin's got going on. The music's incredible. He's an incredible guy. Thank you. And go support PB&J. It's out right now. Appreciate you. Yeah. Thanks. Bye, y'all. My Favorite Lyrics is a production by Disco Nap. If you guys like what you hear, leave a review and tell a homie about the show. And make sure to follow us at My Favorite Lyrics Pod on all social platforms, except for Twitter. We offer that. You can learn more about this week's guest and the My Favorite Lyrics team by checking out the show's notes. And thank you to the guys that made this show happen. Executive producer, Lauren Mandel. Producer, Carmen Kerrigan. Our editor, Nicole Lyons. And yeah, that's all the people that I'm going to thank for now. Bye. Thank you.