Golden Globes Nominations Frontrunners, Snubs and Surprises; Amanda Seyfried (“The Testament of Ann Lee”), Elle Fanning (“Sentimental Value”)

[MUSIC] >> From Variety, celebrating more than 120 years, covering the business of entertainment. This is the award-circuit podcast. Amanda Seifried still can't believe this is where America has wound up, but she's not going anywhere. >> How about our agenda is take care of each other. Socialism is a gorgeous idea, and I know it doesn't work perfectly. >> For me, it's taking care of each other. If I have more money, I can spend more money on other people. Isn't that right? >> I'm Michael Schneider. On this episode of the Variety Award Circuit Podcast, we talked to the Testament of Anne Lee's Star, Amanda Seifried, about her performance and what the film says about our present day. Also on this episode, Sentimental Value Star, L-Fanning, and the roundtable dissects this week's Golden Globe nominations. It's all next on the 300th episode of the Variety Award Circuit Podcast. Stay close. [MUSIC] >> Ho, ho, ho, everybody. My belly is filled with Christmas crack, thanks to the Davis family. >> Thanks, Jessica. >> Jessica Davis. >> Thanks. >> Sling in that crack. >> So she does. She's going into holiday mode. For people who don't know what we're talking about, we do a cookie exchange every year here. >> I have variety. >> I don't bake, obviously, in order to have time too. So I went, Jessica, please bake something. So she made Christmas crack and she made it in a tray and then said, "Oh, I think it's gross if everyone puts their hand in this." So let's do individual baggies and then she did 34 of those. And then I was like, "Oh, yeah, it's a cookie exchange. I just make cookies and she make cookies." So this caused me a lot of money and it's the holidays guy. >> But it's so worth it, it's so good. >> It's so good. >> I like that you're slinging it in these baggies too. >> I know, it's good to name it a dime bag word. That's pretty interesting. >> And the recipe is, I just saw it. It's just like checks mix, white chocolate, M&Ms, and pretzels. >> Is that all the ingredients? >> That's interesting. >> I don't know what she put in. >> Unless she's holding out on the secret ingredient. >> Well, we shouldn't do what I did for the cook. The whole thing was like, if you've ever had like a cookie bake, is like just to like bake the cookies. I really have not had time. So I went to my friend Ralph Kroger and he gave me chocolate chip cookies. Honestly, I just, you know, it's Daya. Daya Lawrence organises and I was like, nah, it's Catholic. >> That's what I would do if I didn't have a Jessica. I would have bought everything. >> Yeah. >> If you didn't have a Jessica, where would you be? >> Not, I don't know. Actually, where would I be? I don't know. >> You'd be on Netflix with that. >> Incomplete, like the backstreet voice off. >> If there were Italian food, I could have had Jen make it. Jen does not cook anything outside of pasta. So I was like, I'm screwed. >> Pasta, pasta. >> I know. >> I love that. >> Speaking of backstreet boys, for the third consecutive year, it is my Spotify wrapped topped. >> It is? >> Yeah. >> I just told too much backstreet boys. >> Do you know what mine is? This is so embarrassing. The gnome song from Wallace and Gromit. >> Really? >> Yes. >> And how many times do you play it? >> It comes on a lot. It's, I'm happy. And if you know what I'm about, it's just, it's such an earworm. And yeah, it's pretty embarrassing. >> That's a random one. >> See, this is where I feel, well, I'm an Apple Music guy. So I don't do the Spotify. >> They don't record anything. >> They do, but they haven't yet. Or at least I haven't gotten mine yet from Apple. So I'll have to get back to you. >> Wait, at the people posted that as you should. Wait, you need to see. >> Because you don't have to have it. >> Wait, does that, has Apple already put theirs out? >> It's something that posted that. I swear, I see you run around. >> Yeah, I don't know how to do that. >> Well mine is, also I have no time for music because I'm so busy with movies. >> That's true, yeah. >> Oh, yeah, here we go. Here's my replay, you guys ready? >> It's going to happen in real time. This is very, I was like, it updated four days ago. So finally. >> This is Risky Man. >> Yeah, here's your favorites. >> Can we fan some of the opera soundtrack? Which is a good soundtrack, right? >> Which is a good soundtrack. >> I listen to quite a bit actually. >> Well, it's just a soundtrack. They don't give me the whole, like I want that video that they do. >> I know, oh no, they got to catch up. >> So, by the way, I was listening to Little Shop of Harters. >> The cost recording. >> The cost recording yesterday, yeah. >> The original cast recording? >> Yeah, the original cast recording. Because it was my first college show I was in. >> We were in, who were you? >> Audrey too. >> Oh my god, that's me, God yeah. >> Feed me now. >> By the way, I was scrolling through the TikToks the other day as the kids do, 6-7. And this guy came on the replay and I swear to God, I thought was you. >> Really? >> He looked so much like it, the voice was different. >> Wow. >> But he looked so much like you. >> He wasn't so intoxicating. Really, you know what's interesting? I got a call once from a friend who thought I was in a documentary. It's a Netflix documentary, I've got the name of it. But they were like, you have to see this. And it was like some BT out, like I was on the street on the subway. And I went and looked. And I had to take a double take a bite. I thought it was me too. And that's never happened before. I was like, is that me? That happened to me when Pierce Brosnan posted a photo of him and his wife. And she was like kind of cut off. I mean, like I don't think she's stunning. I don't think I look anything like her. But just in that one photo, like a quarter of her face. Like I was like, oh, that's funny. I had a friend who she looks exactly like, I'm going to get the, if you ever watched Orange is the New Black. >> Yeah. >> And the first season that it was out, she went as Piper. And she looks so much like Taylor Schilling. And I showed Taylor Schilling a photo of it. And she's like, I literally thought that was me. >> I just want our listeners to know, I'm watching Mike in real-time watches. >> I know, I know, I know, I know. >> It is incredible. >> And he's absolutely made it. >> I see, I see Lux. >> Yeah, that's my top album of the year. >> Lux. >> Look at that. >> My Rosalía. And my artist of the year was a tame- >> I'm so proud of you, Mike. Rosalía. >> Wait, you're Rosalía? >> Rosalía. >> No, my artist of the year is Tame and Paula. The album of the year is Lux by Rosalía. >> Look at you. >> So you are hip-hoping. >> My genre is alternative. >> Yeah, that's on poor. >> So I got some LaVay in there. I've got some tribe called Quest going classic. But Tame and Paula, yeah. >> It's all great for the music I cast. >> Yeah, exactly. >> I have a lot of 90s crunch, too. >> So what do we talk about movies? >> Movies are about movies. >> You're narrowing down. I have a whole piece coming out next week about how and I will preface this by saying, critics, Joyce Awards, Golden Globes, voters are not Oscar voters. But they do give us an insight as to where things are leaning and what might be in trouble. Clayton and I were just saying that tomorrow, Friday, time recording. >> Or today, what are you listening? >> If you're listening. So on Friday, the costume designer girls will have their nominations out, so we will. >> That'd be the first official group that has actual Oscar voters inside of it. So, and listen, I think they give a nice globes in critics, give us a nice road map. But I do think that it's quite interesting how it could all shake out. So, look at the Golden Globes nominations, where let's talk about those. >> The show name is Golden Comedy. >> And by the way, I want to mention again, that I was there at 5 a.m. >> Someone is going to die one of these days. >> I remember going there at like 3.30 am. >> Not Mike, please. >> I don't know what he's saying. >> It's tiring. And people are out and it's crazy, and they should not be on the road. And I was like, this is-- >> I did run into Helen later that morning. I said, Helen, just want to put it out there. The same thing that happened at 5 a.m. will happen at 9 a.m. >> Right, exactly. >> The same exact thing. No changes, no nothing. >> Yeah, the one that took precedence, huh? >> It's Helen, so the precedence was? >> Yeah, and what's interesting about it is that, because they do it in two parts. >> Yes, yes. >> Because the thing is always like, the morning shows, the morning shows, it's always been the defense of having at 5 a.m. But the morning shows doesn't carry the first half. So then we're already watching on YouTube. We're not switching to a morning show by that point. >> And we're not a morning show society. >> Yeah, so that's just-- >> Yeah, and they only do it for one morning show, CBS Mornings, and say you've got the exclusive deal with CBS. >> Yeah. >> But they don't do both, right? They only do one. >> No, no, they don't do the early nominations. So, yeah, yeah, I'm going back to the traffic roll quick that morning. It was remarkable to get to the West Side in like 25 minutes. So when you drive in at 4 a.m., do, but you know, you also discover is no drivers in Los Angeles actually follow stop signs or stop lights when it's four in the morning. >> At 5 a.m. >> They just lock you up at any time of the day, yes. >> Except for me, of course. >> Yeah, and I'm a great driver. >> Here's Rosalie on the way to-- >> You're going to go to the nominations. >> Was that at the Beverly Hilton? >> It was at the Beverly Hilton, which also is strange, because they've torn down half of the Beverly Hilton. >> Yes, right. >> It's going me that way during the glows. >> The lobby is gone. >> Yeah. >> I mean, there's like a tiny little portion of the lobby that's still there, but most of it is gone. >> So we're going to do this whole thing of like on actual Golden Globe day, when they have the horses like where, are they going to put all these people? >> Yeah, and they're going to do the red carpet on Wilshire Boulevard, because that driveway is gone. Like, that's all like-- >> That loop, that loop is gone. >> They've torn that all out. They've torn that parking garage out. The pool is even gone. Like, so if you're staying at that hotel right now, what are you doing? There's nothing there. >> Absolutely. >> It's fascinating. But so there's no room for any parties. Remember, that's the whole thing. What the glows for years is all the parties were on campus. Well, I guess they can do it close by, but there's no space there anymore. >> But they don't do it close by, right? Because they never do. >> They'll have one party in Beverly Hills, one is in Hollywood, so you're really driving around. >> Which is a shame. Because that was always the best part of the globe. It's like, it's go upstairs to the, you know, focus party and go across the street for HBO, and it was all right there. >> You could probably hop. >> Yeah, it was great. I know, I'm sure it was. So I wish the old Globe days, I was two on the East Coast that didn't ever go. >> He started, and then it was like the pandemic. >> I started it was pandemic. >> Yeah, so. >> The first group I ever went to were, when I was here, what, the three years ago? So I was having been. >> Well, so that's the Prelude to actually, what happened? What they announced the morning of the pandemic? >> Tell me more about traffic. >> Yeah, this is an LA podcast. We talked traffic. >> One battle after another led, no surprise. Everyone that was supposed to get in, pretty much did get in, Regina Hall did not, but everyone kind of acknowledges that's going to be a long shot now, especially coming after missing critics' choice. But, you know, Sad could come through. She is the kind of a actors actor you never know. And then, sinners followed with seven, which included Michael B. Jordan, which was great, no-wumi misaku, who had gotten critics' choice. >> Anyone, the Gotham supporting. >> I'm sorry? >> She went supporting at the Gotham's, didn't she? >> And she won supporting at the Gotham's. >> Because her and Soapa Dersu shared the acting awards, and they were his house together. >> They were, they both were out there. >> They started his house together, which was my favorite movie of 2020. >> I love his house, it sounds great. But yeah, so Wumi wasn't there. Sinners is an interesting place, and I've been thinking a lot about this, especially when I was updating predictions this week. Sinners is in a great place, technically wise, and I think picture, director, screenplay, all that. The actors are all trying to get into very, very tight races. And the thing about the Globes and critics' choice, and even BAFTA, it does keep contenders alive a lot longer than they maybe would feel otherwise, 'cause they're six nominees that are named, and there's only five at Oscar. So you can kind of parse out the five, but it's never that simple. >> This is where supporting actor in a movie is like, I don't know who's going, 'cause there's six incredibly strong, I guess you'd say, front runners pronomination. >> It's been the same six. >> Yeah, and who is going to miss out? Will it be Adam Sandler? Will it be Jacob Ellority? Will it be, you know? >> Yeah. >> Nupaniseur Sean, I don't think. >> I don't think Beniseur Sean. I don't think, Stella and obviously. Paul is, I think, a soft number four. I think he's fine though. >> Paul Muscle. >> Paul Muscle. And then we have Jacob Ellority and Adam Sandler. And if you look at my predictions this week, my, like my Hail Mary, not my Hail Mary, 'cause it's like, Blue Moon did very, very well. >> It sure is, it did. >> Richard Langlater, first director since 1963, to get two best picture nominations in Comedy or Musical. >> But not New Bobog and Blue Moon. >> Not nominated for director on screenplay or anything else, yeah. >> So-- >> Well, he didn't write the screenplay for Blue Moon, I should say. >> I've been on this island by myself, which I like being on islands by myself, thinking that I think Ethan Hawke's going to win the Oscar. >> We've been saying this all season. >> And Ethan Hawke is going to win an Oscar. I think Andrew Scott's coming in for the ride for a nomination. >> I think he's right there. >> I think he's surprised number five. >> He's right there. >> I mean, he won something for it already, like a party. >> He won Berlin when this premiere, which was kind of insane. And then he was runner up at Los Angeles Film Critics, supporting actor behind Stella and, no, behind Stella and Tiana, he was tied runner up with Inga from sentimental value. >> Do you think people have started to play pay attention to Blue Moon? I mean, we've been talking about it for a long time, but I feel like-- >> It's because of this. Like, people are starting to be like, oh, it's pretty much what we said would happen. >> Yeah, this is-- >> It starts picking a critical order. >> I think we-- >> This is a Sony Pictures Classics way that it's happened now the last few years. They never start off like the one. And then as the season goes on, it starts picking up steam. Happened with the father. Everyone thought the father was dead in 2020. >> Yeah. >> And then it-- >> I never doubt it. >> It doesn't happen. >> But a lot of-- In the either cuts, it missed so much stuff. People were like, oh, it's over. It's not popping up anywhere. It's like, give it time. And I'm still here. We saw what happened last year. Fernanda won the globe. It was the only thing that she had nominated at. And then she gets Oscar. And in the end, it gets on me for best picture. I think Blue Moon is very, very quiet contender to be like Ethan, Andrew, screenplay. I think pictures on the table. >> What's interesting when you talk about the momentum that Ethan has and yet the globe's completely ignored the lowdown on the TV side, which I was kind of surprised by? >> So it's interesting to say that because my whole theory kind of rests on the TV part of this argument. So the globe's matter, but don't matter in the TV, but it's sort of the TV calendar and the way it works. But I think SAG, he's going to get double nominated TAG. I think he's an actor's actor. He's worked with everyone. And the after part of SAG is like regular, regular people that are in the guild. And I just think Ethan's going to lose, I think, everything up until SAG. He'll win SAG and that's the turn. And that's why he needs a double nomination there. 'Cause I think the TV people are going to vote for him for Blue Moon. I don't think he's going to win for the lowdown, maybe. >> That's going to be my question. >> But also his lowdown series or mini series? >> Drama series. >> I think it's drama series. >> Yeah, drama series. >> Ooh, that's tough. >> Yeah, it's, I mean, it's going to be going, it's like, no. >> It is, but that's why I thought maybe the globe's because they love like, you know, honoring new shows and new buzzings. >> And there's double nominees. >> And, you know, I'm kind of getting bored with some of the, you know, Emmy winners who are still like, you know, no offense to White Lotus, but it's like we did it. We did it already. >> Is it just, you see, that 'cause I believe, and I said this on a TV hit that day, I believe Critics Choice and Globes switch personalities in a lot of ways, 'cause it used to be that globes were like the star efforts and they would definitely go for new shows. This was Globes very, showing we're international. >> Yup, yup. >> I mean, five of the 12 best picture nominees are non-English language. They became very high brow and then Critic Choice became very populist and just like kind of star driven and whatever that, you know, that looks like. So it's been weird to see that play out and I think when it comes to new shows, like there weren't a lot of, like, I mean, obviously the pit, but these really did seem to rinse and repeat the Emmy like the denders. >> At least we got a little bit of pleuribus in there. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, we're showing and racey horn, but I think the person who's gotten the biggest boost over the last couple of weeks is Rose Byrne. >> Yeah, definitely. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Not on my bingo card of the one that was in a-- >> Really? >> The trifecta, like to win-- >> I knew she'd do great with critics. >> I thought she would win some stuff, but this is like, I mean, listen, if she wins National Society of Film Critics, like, I think she's like the seventh person ever to win all four of the big critics awards. So, like, I thought Jesse Buckley would have slipped in by now to get-- I knew it was not a critics movie. I didn't expect it to be. I thought Jesse might win something big by now, but she hasn't, but I think Rose Byrne has certainly asserted her slot into Best Actress. And unfortunately, the elephant in the room wicked for good in a category that's called Best Picture, Musical Organity. >> Oh, exactly, we're not leave-- did not include a musical. >> How do you not put the musical in the category? >> And there were then you also took no disrespect to K-Pop Demon Hunters, but you put Demon Hunters in the cinematic block of-- >> And box office in the box office. >> Yeah, box office. >> Yeah, I mean, they have explained what-- like, how they accept shooting numbers in there, but it's still called cinematic and box office achievement, so it makes it, like, little, like, not really, like, on bar. >> Well, those sing-alongs, I guess, did really well. >> No, it didn't make money, so I don't know-- I don't know if it cracked $100 million mark, but, you know, the streaming numbers, I can kind of concede to that, but when it comes to Rose Byrne, now, wicked, missing Best Picture Comedy musical, I had kind of been banking that, like, I thought, Cynthia would win the globe, and probably end there. Like I know, she sure was ever going to be Jessica Buckley, but that would be her claim to fame, and now, I'm like, you know, it's same thing with Kate Hudson, like, Kate Hudson would contend, and I think Rose Byrne's just going to win the globe, and that's her recognition for the season. Thanks for hanging out. >> That's why I'll-- >> And I don't know if Cynthia's going to make the Oscar 5 now, because she missed the critics' choice. I think it's a tough road, and Best Actress is really competitive this year. >> It's crazy, it's sad. >> You're taking two drama actresses, which are Renata and Jessica, I think they're both in. And you're trying to fill the other three slots with a bunch of lead actress comedy and musical. That includes Chase Infinity, who I think is making it. Cynthia, Kate Hudson, Rose Byrne, Amanda Cypher, who has made it both critics' end globe. And who's the other one? Oh, Emma Stone. Emma Stone, by the way, I have discovered a little bit of a crazy stat. I think she's going to be the 5 that no one acknowledges has been making it all along. >> I just was writing about this. Yeah, she and Jessie have just quietly been showing up everywhere. >> And Emma, if she gets nominated for both picture and actress producer and actress, she'll be the first woman to get double nominee in those areas twice. Only two women have ever done it, Francis McDormand and Emma Stone with poor things. And interestingly, she'll have seven nominations in total, she will surpass, Meryl Streep, as the youngest woman ever to accumulate seven nominations in total, not all in acting, but seven nominations in total by the age of 37, second of all time behind Walt Disney. >> Wow. >> Crazy. >> And I'm just saying all this out loud and I never had that on my bingo card for Emma Stone when I saw her in Super Bad in 2007. >> This is funny, it came up. I saw easy A and I wrote about how I said something like within 10 years, Emma Stone will have at least one Oscar. And it took like-- >> You were wrong. >> Yeah. >> Just two. >> One note from the time easy A came out. She only, she-- >> Oh yeah, sure. >> But it only took her like five years, I was like, whoa. So I'm perfectly fine if she's-- >> I mean, she is great. I think we are just, I say we, the industry, people aren't, I put her back on my predictions this week. This is a Christian bail American hustle a little bit. He got nominated everywhere except for SAG and people just ignored it. And people were like, oh, he's not in. They're gonna do four nominations, whatever. And he got in Oscar and kicked out Tom Hanks. So sometimes, you know, it's like, just like, rubber sand. Why wouldn't they? She's great in Bagonia. She's one of her best students and she's beloved. >> Yeah. >> New category this year that they announced was the best podcast. >> Ooh, you just realized. >> Why weren't we nominated? >> Yeah, I know. >> I don't think we were submitted. >> We were not in the top 20. >> 'Cause I wanna come between Will and Naomi Polo. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. So just for context, we know through sources that Joe Rogan and Theo Bond did not submit. So that explains why they are not there. I don't know, well, it's did not submit. But there was a lot of headlines about how it's very left-leaning. And I think that was always gonna kind of be the case anyway. >> And not left-leaning, it's this entertainment podcast. >> Yeah, I mean, that's what it should be anyway. This is an entertainment award show. It shouldn't be like, you know, there isn't a best newscaster category. We shouldn't be diving into politics and culture wars, et cetera. This should be a fun event. And so they kind of, they locked out that they got the entertainment podcast. That's really what the focus should be anyway. >> And I think Rogan would have made it, like if he had submitted. I think they would have, I think whatever you feel about him at the moment, I think Rogan and Theo Bond probably would have pushed out a person or two. >> Yeah, and I'm sure the producers would have loved that because it would have gotten new eyeballs, young male eyeballs to the show. And, you know, that was kind of the goal of doing this category in the first place. >> Yeah, I think a thingy-polar saluzzo. >> I mean, I think our podcast is great. >> Well, oh, no, but they're all great. >> Yeah, I know, but I just feel like that's the one that, like, >> Did the gloves do love her? >> They do love her? >> Let's probably down to that or smart-less, right? >> That's what I was about to do. >> That's the same will, aren't they, Amy Polar? >> Yeah, so, you know, those poor kids, they're in the middle of it all. >> [LAUGH] >> Yeah, they're children of divorce. >> It'd be interesting 'cause then Amy Polar, they're going to give their two former hosts, Golden Globes, Amy Polar, and their Ricky Gervais probably, and stand up comedy. >> Yeah, where's Conan, by the way, he should have been nominated. >> By the way, totally forgot that Ricky Gervais had a comedy special this year. Did he even consider that he was, like, gonna actually make the line up? >> Well, there's a lot, but, you know, he's built, he's baked in because of his history with the gloves, right? So, for, so, I guess, good for them? >> Yeah. >> That's a good mix, too. Sarah Silverman, Ricky Gervais, Camille Non-Johnny, Kevin Hart, Breck Oldstein, and Bill Marr. >> So, I want to ask two more things for, I know we're going a little long here, but picture drama, we have three non-English language movies. It was just an accident and secret agent and sentimental value. I think everyone feels pretty good at sentimental, it was just an accident or in. I do think Wagner Moore is gonna win the globe. >> Really? >> I do, I think he's gonna beat Michael B. Jordan. And I don't, I don't know who else would win. I don't think Jeremy on white's gonna win. Oscar Isaac isn't gonna do it. Joe Edgerton may be in a really, I think Joe Edgerton can make Oscar. And I think, you know what's interesting? I think Michael B. Jordan and Joe Edgerton are going for the last slot in Best Actor. >> So, what do we make of a musical comedy? >> I think that, I mean, it's one battle. Like, it's just overall gonna, like, just watch that win. >> Yeah. >> But I do wonder if it's gonna go on a tear because, you know, an actor got Timmy versus Leo versus Ethan. And everyone, it is, I've been saying this, it's Timmy's to lose. I need to feel like he's not gonna lose, though. >> So, speaking of Marty Supreme, before we go, you and Angelique Jackson rode the Marty Supreme blimp the other day. >> He won the win. >> So, how was that? What was that? Was it just the two of you on the flip? >> It was just the two of us. >> Because the only two can be on there at a time. >> Yeah. >> I found out a crazy little set. You know, there's only 25 to 30 blimps in the world. >> Really? >> That's true. >> Yeah, 'cause I feel like they're all here. >> I know, exactly. >> Half of them, I think, are like owned by good ear. So, like, and you have to think about it. Yeah, no one's building new blimps every day, right? So, we were like in the Pontiac Sunbird of blimps. >> Yeah. >> It was a little terrifying because, I mean, it's just a blimp. And you're hyper aware that, like, oh, like, this just think pops, like, that's it. >> Like, that's never happened, right? >> After the hint of birth. >> Yeah, it takes months, but that was hydrogen. >> Yeah, they figured it out. >> Can you explain why the blimp is tied to Marty's Supreme for people who want to? >> I can't tell you why. It's like, it's just a blimp inside Marty's Supreme. So, they just came up with a blimp idea. And it's just been flying a little bit. >> It's like a big orange blimp. >> Big orange blimp. >> It's over. >> It's over. >> It's over. >> It's a tribute to Marty. >> Yeah. >> That particular blimp came from Alabama. And it took 13 days to get to-- >> Those things was loud. >> Oh, God. >> They go 25 miles per hour, unless the wind really kicks in, then it can go up to seven. >> We have to stop every eight hours. There's two pilots on there, and there's no bathroom. So, you can't, like, really eat and drink while you're on there. So, it's like, that's, I guess, a way to see the country. >> It's so loud, also. >> Yeah, that's what you're saying. >> Because it's a lot of your office. >> Yeah. >> Huh? >> It's a lot of your office, sir. >> It's a second to my office, probably. >> Like, it's the loudest office. I don't know what time it is. >> Hopefully 90 more. It's getting fixed, but so is the goal is just that you need marking. >> A unique marketing tool. I mean, just to say, it's kind of working because it's really coming into, like, everyone knows about the Marty Supreme Blimp, right? The connection to the actual movie itself. There's not, like, a hardcore connection because there's no blimp in the movie. But, it's been working for the most part. I mean, listen, the budget on the movie's, I think, $80 million, or close to $80 million. Most expensive A24 movie that you've ever made. They need to make their money back. So, there's a good way to do it. But, the blimp was good. I was next to the door that I could just see out and see down. And that was a little freaky. The pilot talked to us a bunch. He sits in a thing that looks like a wheelchair. And then the wheels, like, they'll see you go up and down. It was actually, I was all over Long Beach. I didn't know, I didn't have a sense of direction. I didn't know where anything was. But, look, very pretty good. >> Does the pilot like the movie? Has he seen the movie? >> Yeah, that's in the movie. >> Yeah, that's in the movie, but he had flown Tyler, the creator, and Odessa, Ozay, and just the day before. >> Oh, my God. >> I don't think they got a longer ride in 30 minutes than we did. >> 30's enough, thank you very much. >> Well, because that is promoting the film and doing the thing. >> Can I just remind everyone, as we're talking about Golden Globes, would you like to remind us who won the Golden Globes this year, in terms of what the pictures are going to be? >> I can never remember the immediate year before. >> It was not an aura, I will tell you. >> It was not an aura, it was. >> The brutalist. >> And Emilie Perez, yep. >> And then it was quiet for like five weeks. And then we had an award show for five weeks. And everyone was like, oh, it was between Brutal and Emilie Perez. >> Was that before the controversy began with Emilie Perez? >> Yeah, it was just like two hours before. >> Yeah, so that's right before we could change. >> I got right under the wire. >> Yeah, and then they made that run. And then Anora had that one weekend and it was over. >> Yeah. >> Anora wasn't critics' choice awards around the same time. Is Golden Globes this year? >> Cricks' choice. >> What are they post? >> Cricks' choice. >> That's right. >> They have a leg. >> Anora had the weekend of critics' choice. >> DGA and PGA. >> That's right. >> Friday Saturday Sunday. >> Turned around. >> Well, this year things are, well, January thing's going to be very different because critics' choice kicks off. >> The first Sunday, the fourth year, the fourth. >> And then Golden Globes. But interestingly, it's something to remember. We only have screenplay awards announced so far from critics' choice and the Globes that have no Oscar overlap. Anything with Oscar overlap comes out after Oscar voting at its close. >> Wow. >> We are not going to kind of know what happens with all this until the end. >> All right. So who we got this week? >> This week we have Amanda Sipred. >> Oh, speaking of Sipred. >> Sipred. >> Sipred. >> Sipred. >> She did Sipred. Yeah. I keep forgetting how to, she opens the episode of, teaching us how to say her name. And now I keep-- >> That's one of my favorite parts of the starts of your interview. >> Because sometimes you have to let go. >> I'm still trying to figure out, we're not a Ryan's vote. >> Ryan's vote. >> Ryan's vote. >> Scores gourd as a progeny. >> Scores gourd. >> Sheffa forever. >> Well, that's because he won't correct people either. He's like, it's fine if you say Scores gourd. >> And then the other person, like that's escaping me right now. God, I quickly look. >> I'm looking. >> Who? >> Oh, I'll fanny. It's an amount of values. >> There you go. >> Scores gourd. >> And the posts are. >> Can you tell me you did a Q and A with L last week and something went really wrong with the mics. And so we were just trying to ignore this. >> Yeah, throughout the whole, but it started to get really loud and cumbersome. And we were joking that the predator was tracking her down because it sounded like that. But what a trooper. I want to see her go on stage because I want to improvise and go with it. >> Yep. I love it. >> All right. Well, have a good weekend and we'll see you next week. Bye. >> Yeah. >> Bye. >> After the break, the testament of Anne Lee's star Amanda Seifried. From Los Angeles, this is The Variety Award Circuit Podcast. And we're back. It's The Variety Award Circuit Podcast. I'm Michael Schneider. And Mona Fastfolds, richly-layered drama, the testament of Anne Lee. Star Amanda Seifried plays Anne Lee, the founder of The Shakers, a woman who lost four children and channeled her devastating grief into a religious movement built on communal living and equality. The film, which premiered at the Venice Film Festival before being acquired by searchlight pictures, is a genre-bending exploration of trauma, faith, and the human capacity for survival. It's also surprisingly funny, something Seifried made sure to emphasize before screening at the SCAD Film Festival. As Oscar season continues, she's earned recent nominations from the Critics Choice Awards and Golden Globes. Seifried remains grounded, planning to spend the holidays baking her signature pies, including Pecan, Pumpkin, Apple, and this year, Cherry. Variety Chief Awards Editor Clayton Davis sat down with Seifried to talk about juggling family life with awards season, the film's visceral exploration of trauma and grief, and what she hopes comes next, including the long-awaited Mama Mia 3. Clayton began by noting that the last time she was on this show, Seifried said she wanted to do a musical, but she didn't mention this film at all. Who the thunk, like Mona Fastball, you sneaky little filmmaker, like remarkable, like I'd never come out of a movie and said I don't know, like I don't know what to feel yet, it was because there are moments that are like you only see maybe once in a lifetime in cinema. And then there are moments where I'm like I don't know if I'm smart enough to understand this. That's how I felt when I read this. Yeah, tell me about it. So how did you get mixed up with Mona and Brady? I had worked with them on the crowded room and also we have so many like long-term mutual friends and relationships and we spent around the same circles, but I worked with them on the crowded room. They both directed separately and I became very tight with them. And Mona was writing this with Brady and she really felt like I could embody her in the way she needed because she understood how I worked. And we are very similar in a lot of ways and we're very nurturing and we love what we do and we love getting as dark as humanly possible and as awkward as humanly possible and she understands the awkwardness of humanity in a way that a lot of people don't and she can capture it and I just love exploring that. And so when you think about the nuttiness of certain moments, the humans are weird and when you can capture that without judgment and just really, I don't know, live in the comfort of knowing that things can be very abstract and funky. I feel like which is more free and liberating and the David Kale with the finger, you're just like, what is this movie now because this wasn't the same movie I was just watching. And you're like, how is this going to fit in and then you stop caring because you're on the journey with her. I think I'm on the right. But why? And then also the script, when she brought me the script, I read it and again, I didn't feel like I was smart enough to understand it. And also because there was all these hymns that were written in that were kind of bookmarks for what we were going to end up putting in because Daniel Bloomberg had been working on this script with her for many years before we made it. And he's the composer. And so they had to really work together to figure out how the music was going to flow in and out of the dialogue and the movement because there's so many layers in this movie, so many physical offerings. And it was just, it was really hard to picture when I read it. But her passion and her understanding of what she wanted to say and her clarity of storytelling was, was all I really needed because I knew that it was all going to come out. In some form, the more we talked about it and the more I prepared and the more I danced and the more I, the more I worked on the Manchester accent and the more I kind of lived in this, the idea of who this woman was. I could, I just trust her. I just trust her. It's hard not to. And she's also very brave, that magical, mythical fairy that you don't think exists, like is embodied by this, this Nordic woman. Mona is one of the sweetest people, like that very cynical town and very cynical business. Like they haven't gotten to her yet, we have to keep her separated from everybody else. Like when I was thinking of questions I asked you about the movie, like, I was like, you know, it meant it gave me permission to laugh. I'm going to give myself permission to like laugh in some of the questions I asked. I was like, what was a harder choreography to learn and Lee or Mama Mia? Like, because this, I think if you look on its face, you're like, Oh, you hear about the shakers, so you're just like, Oh, just shake, but everything is so orchestrated. And listen, Mona is not like, Oh, we're just going to go willy-nilly. Like, there's a planning process. But like, what was, what was it like to learn the choreography for this? This question about the, you know, comparing the dancing and Mama Mia and the dancing in this, it's, it's, it's very interesting because it's, it's very similar for me in that it's all very challenging. And the faster the movements are, the faster the movement is, the faster the rhythm of the song, the harder it is. And the muscle memory is really important. And so to get muscle memory, you have to, you have to just repeat, repeat, repeat. And that's sometimes very frustrating, very boring at times. I don't move naturally in these ways at all. I would prefer ballet, honestly, which is a, maybe crazy to say, but I, I do, my body moves more easily because the toes knows that my toes, not so much, I never go on point. I never got there, but I've always loved it and I've always taken adult classes at Edge when it was there on the, you know, more east side of LA. And so it's, but it's funny, like when you're dancing, when you're hearing Abba, you, you, want to move. And we're hearing this music, this, this incredibly melodic, very abstract at times music that was kind of designed through these shaker hymns, you all, you feel like it, it lends itself to a certain type of movement as well and more primal movement for sure. Like Celia Rousenhal who did the choreography, who's just the way she moves is, is other worldly, like she doesn't, you just can never tell how she's going to move, but it's so effective and, and emotional and beautiful to watch and, and so it was beautiful to dance, but it took so long for my body to understand where I was going to go next, but there was a reason the, the thing about the movement in Anne Lee is that every movement was designed to, to explore and to, to reflect an emotional state of this character who wants to become closer to God, who feels like she's the second coming of Christ who, who is on her knees in order to survive losing her four children. And so every single, like in hunger and thirst, like every single movement when I'm, like, ripping my fingers into my skin, trying to carve out the pain, like that's what, how Celia described it. And I'm telling you, Celia and I both live upstate. So we met at this little, beautiful acting class slash dance studio and just spent hours and hours and hours, weeks, probably over, I'm definitely over like a month and a half of, just perpetual dancing through grief, but then like she's, and then she describes, she describes the hand like putting on a cape and then like, and like feeling, like she's completely just wrapped up in a gold blanket of, of, of devotion and, and, and holiness. And like it's just the imagery alone is beautiful and then putting it in your body completely takes you to another level of understanding and of, and of performance, whether it's for yourself or, you know, for the, you know, for the camera, you know, to capture everything. It's you become more human for sure when you're dancing and you become more human for sure when you're singing because your body takes on these physical tasks. Yeah. And because it's, it's melody and it's movement and we are nothing without that. I mean, in every culture, there's, there's a movement. Yeah. And we, we are liberated because of it. The way, the way, no, no, no, no, because hunger and thirst is like, my listeners have heard me say this before. There's like moments and movies where I call it the scene that proves it. I'm like, why it's Amanda on the show today, why, you know, because we're on, you know, some words that are for variety. So we think that there's some things that come in the future for you. So I was called the scene that proves it. And for hunger and thirst, that's when I was like, Oh, Amanda is no longer here anymore. This is like something else. She is, she is like, you know, I was reluctant on like, when it's a historical figure, like, I don't think, I don't believe I can spoil her. So like, let's, I can not give away some stuff of that scene in the movie, but I wanted to ask you because Anne Lee lost four children. And I was watching the movie. And I wanted to ask you, I want to ask Mona eventually as well, was at the end, I wanted to know what you guys believed she was because what I thought a lot about as I was watching this was Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master a lot. Maybe think about The Master, but and this is my mind or everyone to have a different interpretation. I watched it and I was like, she's she wasn't a prophet. She's not the second coming of Christ, but she wasn't lying about it either. She's she believes wholeheartedly. And then it became something different for me. I saw lack of a better term psychological dissection of dealing with trauma and greed and what the human body condition can do to get through that. I wanted to know your opinion on that. It's like how cells regenerate. And we are forces to be reckoned with. The human body is absurdly complicated and and almost more powerful than we give credit sometimes. Especially when it comes to our psyches and and trauma, you know, we are humans. We will eventually experience levels of trauma and like like the cells in our body from sickness or from disease and you know, from from anything toxic. Emotionally we do the same and we create new pathways and we can that's why it's so important for kids to have people who love them and hear them and understand them and guide them. Because there's those those pathways aren't they're not set in stone. I mean they're just developing and and I think with trauma is that you you can be renewed in a way. You can be damaged. You can be any you know, there's so much that happens in grief and that I don't fully understand. Thank God that I think we can't survive unless we create new pathways subconsciously consciously. But the body is going to try to survive and and I think for and least specifically was she the second coming of Christ. I mean, I'm not a religious person. No. I see it in as that she didn't eat and she was hallucinating. She was dying and yeah. And she hallucinated seeing Adam and Eve and seeing the devil and and she hallucinated and with the with that during that she went on. She discovered new meaning. Whatever that is. You know, some people do ayahuasca. Some people just do therapy. Some people do MGM therapy, which I think is the coolest most I'm the most curious about that right now. Having never done drugs like that, specifically MDMA, I'd be afraid, but there are these all these ways of accessing parts of your brain that are so shut off just because we are human and we need to keep walking. And and and and it's fascinating to me how most people that that have this feverish passion and devotion are on some kind of drug. And and it's it's amazing. It's like whatever we can we need to do to survive. And she didn't just do that. She thrived and she created a world or utopia for the greater good of her community. And that's just like her intentions were so pure and she did so much with them with her with her grief. I just I believe that people will tell themselves what they need to tell themselves or go and try to find parts of themselves that help them feel alive. Like we're constantly trying to grab something like even today. So simply like I am I'm not my best because I am feeling a bit a bit of sadness which is you know makes me alive feel alive. But it's also it's it's hard. And so I'm just grasping onto things I get excited about to go home. And and now I'm I'm feeling a little bit better. And that's a small small small tiny way of of getting kind of some control back. And like a very very small thing. I'm a little sad. But like I mean that's when you're when your publicist tells you they have to come talk to Clayton today. You're like like really like again. Again. But this is when you know oh yeah listen we are or at least feel safe with them because they're real people. Yes. And this has been a I'm like we are allowed to we're going through it right now. Like if you guys could see Amanda said it like we ever think this is where we would be as an as American. No. Because America felt like the best place to be. And we're not leaving you and I are not leaving we're not good going anywhere. But like Mona's Nordic though we can like go hang there for a little bit like you know. I don't want to put something like I don't want to leave there's people that like yeah yeah and say you know what no we're going to fight for our land you can fight for our land we're kicking our own out. Yeah. It's we're how did it and then I think keep thinking and thank God we're talking about it at least so much because there's a direct relationship to what she created and what we're lacking. Like what how about like how about how about we all don't have any kind of agendas. How about our agenda is take care of each other. Socialism is a gorgeous idea and I know it doesn't work perfectly. Yeah. Or that people understand what the word actually means. What the word actually means. Yes. For me it's taking care of each other. If I have more money I can spend more money on other people. Isn't that right? If everyone's winning then we're all winning but if there are losers in the situation then none of us are winning. Exactly. And we can all we can all try to get kind of on the same page. Yeah. It's it's and you and I are about the same age so like I like I wouldn't assign 11 like I saw it happen right and then but then I distinctly remember the aftermath like we found each other again and we were like there was unity and there was like you know I got your back you got mine you know there was a lot of ugliness they came obviously through that time but it felt like I just I can remember that day in being in you know New York New Jersey and seeing everything and then the way we were just there with each other and I'm like do we really need disasters? No we shouldn't. Yeah. Everybody dropped everything for each other. People's people sacrificed their lives without a thought in the world and and we shouldn't have to have a meteor to like or or or you know let's like a house of dynamite situation in order to drop everything for each other. Yeah. That's just what what we are human beings. What about all the ways we relate? We all want to be seen. We all want to be loved. We all want to be desired. We all want to win at things. We all love money. Yeah. We all we all love our most of us love our children. Yeah. Like like that's not even that's actually a reason. Count. It's like we all want to be seen and desired and heard and loved. That's right. Yeah. Both sides. All sides. So what does the greed how does the greed help you? How does the how does the defensiveness help you? How does how how do how do our egos work against us? And it's unfortunately like it weighs too heavy in everything and if we can just I don't know I the ego is an interesting thing. I mean animals are just they operate so differently and they have a lot. Did you just constantly remind them? But I mean you're articulating a lot of like what we felt were just like like like there's got to be a way. It's got to be a better way. When it happens I you know we pray that it happens but it's been it's been a ride and just like a ride that I need to like get off of like in terms of like just let's stop the car and let's it's all hit a reset and let's find our way back and when that happens and Lee's a great show of that because also in the movie I have to give a shout out to them Lewis Pullman who I like listen I told us it's chemistry and obviously it comes from a very great lineage bill Pullman's like our dad our first dad our first president that yeah but for exactly I was like okay there he goes um but I was like oh like the apple does not fall far from the tree like he is a remarkable actor he does some really amazing stuff and I also have a big Christopher Abbott fan because I yell at Hollywood all the time I'm like why have we not made him or given him the vehicle yet it's like really always curating but I think what the entire ensemble does and Thomas McKenzie's great you guys really do kill it but talks to me about working with these people and and I'm is he Louis to you is like a just goes oh wait that shot of you to Lane on the wagon is like like collectible cinema it's interesting casting too because I didn't know him and and then he just really showed up for Mona he really wanted to do it and he had no ego he's no ego I don't know where his ego went but it's not there and it's beautiful and it was immediate that I I understood that we're we kind of our process in that way is the same just to just to show up yeah and to really love our characters and love what we do he's very he's so much grace and I I can't imagine a better person to play my brother because he understands the sibling relationship the same way I do I don't have a brother but he found a cinematic brother for sure and I just I I want to nurture him I want to protect him Mona feels the same way about him and and I'm he's gonna start doing press with us in December and I'm just excited because he's just a good good good guy yeah really a good guy and Thomas and my god oh wonderful I I I I knew her work so well I also never leave don't trace and then we're here now we're like like she's doing it she's doing the acting thing she's a she will never leave you without I don't actually know how to say that she will never she will always surprise you and she will always be there and I the scene at the end with the apples falling and the apples falling and I'm reiterating about apples falling and going through and like I make fun of the the the actual text it is something that she said it was it was written that she had said that and and it's just the sensitivity she has as just as a human being too she's a full on artist she's a true artist brings brings that completely and to as a sister really a comrade it the eye was very very let we were very old we were very lucky we were very lucky thank god I it's it's it was a hard one a shoot at the end like when the house was burning and and Mary's she's laying with her eye out and and Lewis is like truly like suffering from hypothermia in real life and and we got Matthew Beard who's one of the best actors of his gender of our generation for sure you will always see him he will be he will you will always be here and if we're lucky and um all of us just like screaming for 10 minutes straight because we had four cameras going at the same time and they were all every time someone ran out of film they were filming on another camera and it was just it was one of those moments where we could have all just really wanted to quit what we did because it was so hard and cold and we didn't know what was happening we all just after we were done we all just kind of got up and laugh even though we were soaked in cold and bloodied and it was just not real blood oh because we knew we knew we do it for the love of the game but we also knew that we were all doing it together and and if that ain't something then why why why why we do why we do it why are we doing this yes god you gotta do something it's not that we're just bacon pies which which is so really great but you should do more oh I trust me I will I mean I got the house made out December 19th and I got this out December 25th so I'm a busy little carrot oh my god I've never threatened but I also think we all get we all get Christmas and Hanukkah vacations yes you're speaking and we should all just like Hollywood does shut down a little bit yeah it's a little bit waste why do you work during the I mean as much as I try not to but like I mean not as much I'm usually I just have some like deadlines up but I'm pretty okay I don't have to go anywhere yeah so that's good my final question for you because I see with you all day and people yell at me if I keep you too long um I'm contractually obligated uh obviously you have house made coming up I haven't seen it yet but people are really excited about it okay you you're like yeah but you're like Clayton I know you're going to love it I can't wait it's bananas I can't wait it's tomorrow um contractually obligated to ask about Mama me I was talking to Rita Wilson last night oh okay name dropped her okay and someone had said earlier that night I just talked to Rita Wilson she said Mama Mia 3 is not off the table and I was like bitch it's burning a hole through the table said it's and she was like it is it's burning a hole through the show so she agreed with me so never no it burning a hole meaning like oh it's it's gone oh it's not off the table oh it's it's burning a hole tell me you know no I uh I saw Stalin last night of course because uh we're making the rounds together and he like picked me up and that that that that site was he's so tall it's I just he's just like a big daddy but he's like a child and a man and a and a and a and a and a saintly gorgeous actor and he's also like daddy yeah zaddy zaddy what is it zaddy uh I don't so I heard I've heard explain once and I can't say it's something like that I mean yes it works also in the oscaris as well so we can have a Mama Mia oscar moment I know also Alex was there too and I was like oh my god I haven't seen these boys together since well I can't say but I've seen Stalin naked uh yeah okay not in a sexual way yeah in a movie in a movie no no okay these Swedish way though but that's why we love him but Mama Mia 3 it would be so silly if it didn't happen okay I mean they keep making fast and the furious I mean we got double worst product off the table so I think this that was that was what was brought to we've already done Mama Mia 2 I know it's three three three yeah it doesn't make sense it's just marbles available let's do it but she's definitely a ghost in this one though I mean she's I know unfortunately but she can still be there exactly oh our twin sister so is your is your script written a full script I haven't seen anything you haven't seen anything okay what do you see anything okay if you have to ask Merrill Judy Kramer will know everything okay maybe so little Lloyd who did who directed the first one she and Judy or tight we're all kind of um milling about talking about it but just waiting for the thumbs up just get me on an island with Christine Bransky just get me back there she's one of the goddesses of our time she is give me give me back there just take me back ready okay is that a song uh we can make it a song yeah um thank you for my hunger and thirst for a month and it comes back to the movie um honestly and I get and this isn't light for me to say best thing you've ever done assessment of family thanks like I agree it was like like like it took me I just like I said I couldn't articulate after and it took me a while and then I said best Amanda hasn't been yet thanks it is it is remarkable it's it's it's it was it was a challenge and I was totally there if I was totally there for it and I really I'm really proud of it I'm like super super proud I loved I love I love acting but I also just getting the opportunity to sing and move and I mean honestly move I don't love it but it's necessary but getting to be able to sing again in this medium with this kind of genre bending magical shit is is like it's a rule of life for sure I think you know I'm just so glad she chose me because it's another one of those opportunities that that you know that you miss out on and I'm like I'm in it I'm in it that's Amanda Syfried star of searchlight pictures the testament of Anley which opens in limited theaters on December 25 and then gets a wider release in January L. Fanning plays a Hollywood starlet in Joaquim Trier's sentimental value the Norwegian film stars Renate Reinsvah as a woman grappling with her complicated feelings about her late film maker father Friday's Clayton Davis spoke to Fanning about sentimental value as well as working on her next project with her sister Dakota clean began by asking Fanning about constructing her character yeah with Rachel there are definitely you know feelings that I can relate to or maybe my younger self has felt in a sense you know we find her at a place when she's lost she's she's a little depressed herself you know I don't think she feels like she has much agency over her career and her choices and she feels that she has so much to give but you have to be given the opportunities or placed in that those roles to show that and that goes for every actor I mean everyone wants the meaty role to or for a director to see you to dig those things out of you that you didn't know that you had you know you and you need a director to to do that for you and that's when like then you are cooking the man the man yes and that is what Joaquim is just an expert at you know connecting with his actors and finding these vulnerabilities in you and making this safe space for you to be able to express that and so I I was struck by by her and really kind of touched by her character that she isn't the cliche Hollywood star coming in but at first also you have to you have to have a little bit of that because that you also I was aware that I'm like but I also audiences have to believe that she is a big star yeah so there has to be a bit of that air yeah I would say there's also that she's a big star and then there's like it's so hard to say it this way but I think there is like a little bit like she's a little thirsty at the same time yeah she really wants it yeah she's in a kind of a confused place that then and she's on this kind of roller coaster in the film a bit because she hits a real high I think when you know she's reading the monologue in that rehearsal scene and and I've had that feeling those moments on set where you're like whoa like the emotion hits you and you're you're going and it's at adrenaline and it's almost this it's excitement you know and you're like just working with what you have and it's just coming out of you and it surprises you and so I'm like I wanted to capture that feeling but then also what's kind of sad about that moment too it's not captured on screen which is okay but it's like a learning experience for her because I feel like she's a very goal oriented actress and she has to learn throughout the movie that it's like it's the about the experience because it's like that you know that monologue reading which also it is slightly off because I'm also playing someone that's miscast her she's probably too young for that role um love they they we recognize that immediately yes thank you she she's discovering something in herself and then at the end it doesn't become about this goal or this result that she was thinking the experience was going to be it turns into her like getting the strength and to walk away from something that she really wanted but yeah you know she finally has the strength to to do that which um was you know it's a lot of it's a lot of things to hit yeah and a lot of layers um and then at the same time you want to bring the humanity to her and it's not just all about the the technical even though there are some technical issues like it could be sounds simplistic when you put it like when you just laid out this way but in the movies she's like learning how to say no for like the first time and say like and like to be competent and being like it's some as much as she wants something she's walking away for reasons that aren't like you know the director is like you know monster or like you know some of that she probably would have encountered right or like the pain of money or the case maybe obviously she knows this is a great opportunity and it's a great story and great script but she she knows that it's just not right and that that can be very hard for actors so some people will just be like I'm just going to do it and like see what happens um have you ever like if you can recall some I mean I'm I'm a very like instinctual person when I choose projects and and there are times when you're deciding about things and normally like the first gut reaction is is the one and there have been times where I've maybe tried to fit like a square peg and a whole of like no but all of these elements and then it's like but no your initial reaction was that it just wasn't right and so I have had that I've never walked away from something so far down the line like as far as she was no I've never done that I haven't done that but yeah I mean you know sometimes I've I've like red scripts and there's been maybe two female parts and I'm like they've offered me one part and I'm like no I feel like I'm more right for the other one or something like that but yeah but it is like a unit like an actor I think it's a universal feeling of what Rachel was going through and I just I love the way that Yoke him wrote her because she she hits kind of hits that high and then and then she is lost again and Gustave is not giving her the answers you know Stella's character and he keeps saying that it's about it's not about his mother it's not about his mother but then Rachel's really the one that puts it together um to realize it's not it's about his daughter you know um yeah and that meeting with Renata the one scene that we have together was I was so happy I got to have that scene with her she's so up to the S do you feel like in this movie that's obviously such a great cast do you feel like almost like you didn't get invited to a lot of the big parties because you only have ones who were not uh yeah you're what's telling sounds great and all that but like Inga like I one we take a selfie you do take a selfie and that's it and it's I'm like this this doesn't feel right like I know you guys should be like you know talking about something but I'm just I'm not in the family you know I think it's also a big part of the movie too that Rachel is the she is the outsider in that sense um and and that's okay I mean of course I'm like I wish I could film the whole film with all of them and have multiple multiple scenes I mean now we get to do press all together so yeah now we are close but um I was very lucky to you know spend the time with Stalin get to know him and the the scene with the way with you the scene with you and Selin and the interview yes like I have I have projected anxiety like when I watch a lot of things and I was like for the journalist I was just like my god like like like I'm just feeling bad for the journalist I didn't feel bad for the journalist but I just felt like if that were to happen what I would feel even if I was in the wrong yes but I was just like I just want to die for them like I want them to end it all right now because but also I felt for you like sitting there just kind of looking like and also I mean there's something to that where I think Rachel like she's definitely you know come across that before but she's never had someone to take up for her so I think it was a surprise kind of because Gustav also he's from another era he's like he's kind of he's that old school European like filmmaker yeah which um and and so he just goes right in you know which I think for Rachel who's a little more like trained and we said that Rachel was a child actor herself oh yeah I don't know if that made it in the movie I don't think that was but if it is it makes so much sense like like I definitely was yeah she's been around for a bit yeah but she's like I'm supposed to be polite and so I think it's shocking for him to step in that way it's just a refresh I know when you when you say that like she's definitely been asked like an interview be like oh so like you know like what's nice pants you wear so like would something really inappropriate yeah super here exactly yes no no she's to those you know some people just wanted out you know but yes it is uh interesting thing to to navigate but actually I wanted to ask you this I'm true you've been asked some semblance of this question before and it's been interesting to watch uh both you and Dakota and how you both have navigated the industry and I like I remember watching Dakota and I am Sam and she got so close to Oscar and I'm there she got a sagnum I remember that um but just watching you both navigate the industry and in many ways I felt like Dakota well especially post I am Sam um like you know she was like trying to find and people were having a hard time to see but well it's about Leonardo DiCaprio disease before I felt like it was harder for people to see Dakota outside of like oh you were like the little kid in movies and you were oh say that you were able to navigate but it when you you were shedding I'm Dakota sister and then when you got into the space it was like we I would say we don't like say we because I was not part of this um the industry uh accepted you I think with it felt like a little bit of of more ease did you feel like Dakota took some of those lumps like in in those like transitional years that's it ever been like ever like looked at it that way gosh I mean I I call myself like a nepotister you know because I'm so cute actually yeah it's true you know because I do feel like I got so many of these opportunities and and you know relationships because she had forged the way in that way and she protected me so much and she still is you know my my protector um but we you know like growing up to we very much we kept things very separate just because we wanted each other to like find our paths in the industry and be able to you know be separate but now where we are like we're doing things together we have a production company together and we're gonna do the night and gale finally I'm like how many times if people announce I'm so sorry but it is actually happening that I'm so glad you mentioned we're coming back to that we're gonna ask about the night and gale this is this is the new Terence Malik movie and I just it's just been in the Edo for some time I don't know gale but um yeah but I feel I mean my sister to me is like the most incredible actress like what she man on fire uptown girls like these performances that she was giving were astonishing and so iconic and stand the test of time um and I think and you know she really has found her way Ripley was amazing I love Ripley so much and it's like some you know sometimes you feel like you're on a you're in on a secret and not everyone's like I'm like why isn't everyone going apeshit for the show yeah she is I'm like listen she took Gwyneth's role and like yes like reinvented it and I I love towns I miss Ripley like so much no me too but it was nice that it was different you know I you can I have met a different her blessing I know I was I walked into Ripley with my arms full across like no like I was ready to hate the show because I was like you don't touch Ripley no she is great in it yes everyone's great in the show I know so I think but that's also again it's like the societies like projections like I don't I don't know Dakota never like like like they want to make you like the yeah like someone oh I remember you when you were this it's like yeah well people grow up I mean you know it's it's weird like they almost wanted it's the you were like the industry was like trying to invent reinvent you as like the Olsen twins in a weird way like I was like you know like first of all they're not this image and like you're just very like very distinct like you guys were taking on just very you guys had your own pathway so this fact that you guys did that instinctively like congrats you guys succeeded I think guys did a great great job that we are very I've heard from some people that have worked with both of us that we do work very differently but you know we've never run lines together we don't oh really no I mean we definitely talk about like onset gossip but we're not we don't get involved in like choices we make I mean sometimes I was asking her the other day I mean and she will ask me to oh this project oh should I do this and we we will give each other advice in in that regard but just on the acting front or like process yeah we don't we never talk about it and so but it's gonna have to merge soon so all right but we'll have to read lines together I want I want to talk about night so night and go okay because everyone's been waiting for when is the fanning product project happening that you guys do together and it looks like it's finally happening this has been when was the first time this was talked about before 2020 it was like it was pre pandemic yes because what time the pandemic derailed the first shoot we were about to get on a plane to go to Budapest right before like it was a date literally like the lockdown yes it was we were about to get on the plane the next day and then putting a lot down so and then we were like are we still going we were like there was crew there they were ready prepping oh my god yeah but honestly in hindsight I think it's everything happens for a reason and it's even better now you know like just the more time to get on it and to you know get everything exactly how we want it to be we get to produce it now and this is the first official production for the company that you know it's not because we were we we did the great we did a girl from planeville we've done two docs so no not in the film I'm sorry narrative film yeah this is a scary I like fear it doesn't it doesn't scare me I mean you get butterflies and nerves are I think crucial like if you're not getting nervous about something anymore that's a that's a problem so yeah so of course I have nerves but I feel like the book is also so beloved and kind of staying true to the book and the story obviously audiences are responding to and I think yeah I mean of course it's the unknown you don't know how anyone's going to interpret anything or also we've built it up in our heads you know the first time like like everyone else I think we built it up so you can't help but feel nervous about it and hope it works but also yeah we just have to we have to do it and and being a sister story and us being sisters in the film I mean I think it's gonna add it's gonna add a lot there's gonna be a lot of emotion you guys should do a lot of method acting a really dive into the role see what she was like to have sisters and stuff so so would do we have a she think it's just like the next thing on the docket for you guys it is yeah yeah we're going film in spring I gotta do a set does it I gotta see if it's real yeah I have to go man no make out why I saw you in that way the other day release a full set photo or something to make sure everyone knows yeah um two last questions for you um one is I I am a he like I was called the the under the radar jams of movies that people like don't like don't talk about enough and they talk about great outpanning roles oh yeah I love the beguiled so much like I think I think I think that's so be a couple of second best movie what I do I do I think I think it's our second best movie I guess you watch the original one the Clint Eastwood version had you ever seen that no I saw it afterward because I wanted to see what it's different which I think helped probably because that my because I'm so Clint Eastwood version I was like I'm like I was like Christian Dunts in into the cell panning this I am I'm good um and that went by my day um but like I just thought it was it was with Sophia so it's like you know it really rocks and then I movie that I feel like no one really knows teen spirit yeah it's my jam love teen spirit but you you really worked with so many different directors throughout your life is I mean I mean there's probably been like over 50 at this point in the film space uh what has been the best directorial note that you've been given from someone that has stayed with you that you've applied okay I know I've worked with some really amazing directors I I I mean people say this and you hear it all the time but I think it is true I'm someone that's like say like faster angrier slower like just just simple like it's not like and someone like over-analysing something or something it's like convoluted like trying to describe or or manipulate you you know that just like I shut down I do I shut down um so I don't really have something particular I mean someone said to me once like okay do it weirder and I like great I understand and it was like we were on the same wavelength of what that meant in the you know in the framework of the character of what that's the thing that I mean like yeah and because we've done all the work you know all the work is already done the preparation so it's just about tweaks tweaks and dialing and um and also the best directors honestly give their actors the space but you feel incredibly seen so I I do like being hovered over okay uh and and yoke him is like that because he's right next to the camera he is right there and he is not really I mean he has a little monitor but he's mostly watching you in real time like right next to the camera and there's something about being seen and that is just that that that really it helps me and um because you feel like yeah he's able to see every kind of twitch of your face or what that means and then kind of dialing it from there but honestly yeah I mean directors the best directors that I work with they don't give like a ton of direction they're they're hovering but they're not like micromanaging yeah you know they want to be surprised as well and I love like surprising a director yeah um I think when they like pop up and they're like oh my god but yeah Nicole Kidman had said that she um which I have I've tried to uh implement this more but she was saying don't ever um don't cut a take you know like there's if you feel like you mess up you know as an actor sometimes you can be like okay cut oh god sorry I can do it it's like just just go roll with it because it is true like the magic happens of things you can't and the imperfections all those imperfections and I love all the flaws and and the messy unpredictability and that's alphanning one of the stars of neon sentimental value which is now in theaters and that's it for this edition of varieties awards circuit podcasts Michael Schneider is the producer be sure to subscribe to the awards circuit podcast and apple podcast Spotify or wherever you download podcasts also head on over to variety.com and click on the awards circuit tab to find the latest awards predictions and key races as well as your daily fix of news and analysis and reviews for jazz tank age you know Riley and Clayton Davis I'm Michael 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