Goldbridge Wants Carrick Out, Gerrard Meets Yamal & Chelsea Lack World-Class Players | Overlap Daily

Overlapped Daily is brought to you by our title sponsors Skybett and Sky Vegas. This is a global Andy Overlapped production. That might as well start me breakfast while I'm waiting, isn't it? What flavor have we got? Strawberry. Strawberry and banana tonight. Thank you. Thank you everybody. I'm going to get out of the way now. It's actually good that one. I think you've been around all of them now, haven't you? You've got any more left to try. I prefer blueberry, I think. Oh, this one, you should've had this one. No, this one's good as well. Okay. Come on in. All right, let's go. All right, let's go. How was your week? I feel like you are starting to develop like chronicles of Stevie's travels in your champion's league. Yeah, more issues, should we say? Yeah, well, I was meant to get to the Liverpool game to do the Colcoms for Liverpool Fenerbahce and got stuck. Barcelona, they're poor for eight hours. I kept saying the flight's going to go. You know, be patient, it's going to go, it's going to go. Ask for me bag back. They refused. Well, we asked for our bags back because we needed to get to. We're going to make a different plan. We're going to make a different plan B, but then we were running out of time. So, end the path into doing another night in Barcelona because we car was in Manchester airport. So, we had more problems with travel, but. So, you ended up having to have like a night in Barcelona with no work. Sounds terrible. Yeah, well, it's a little work, didn't know because it's a little watch the game. But I don't know what you're going to ask me, do I? What do you mean? I don't know what questions are going to come. So, it was important to watch the game. Oh, okay. I had some food and watched the game and then travelled on the next day. Very good. But. A little walk around Barcelona. Nice, it's good to see. It's good to see. Yeah, it's good to see. But we have to talk about what happened the night before when you were in Barcelona on Tuesday nights. For the game? Yeah. The game or pregame? Yeah, I knew that was coming. The game or pregame. Like you don't know what I'm talking about. No one's mentioning the game to me. Probably because pregame was more laminium al. Well, I actually know Anthony Gordon quite well. So he's often around my area in Formula B and obviously followed his career. He used to play against my under 18s to see when he was a tough player to control. Even back when he was 16-17. It was him and Kyrgyz Jones going to be two best players on the pitch. So you got a nice little hook off, Anthony. And then you made your mouth come and check then. Which was a nice little touch. You're so playing it down. I could tell you were just like. A little bit. Give me a bit of cue. That's when I got all maxly. I was going to say to give you all the points. He was like. Did you get a hook off? And your mouth was like. Yeah. What? He was like, "Does he even know you?" I was like a little bit. A little bit. But no, it was nice little touch before the game. It was, it was nice. In a natural fact, he'd walked past you. Like, and then he must have realised. Oh, Anthony Gordon's hugging you. Yeah. Did that meet back to them, didn't I? So, I think one is D, seeing the side profilely. Well, certainly immediately. I'll come back and. He knows Bald as living out. A nice hook, actually. It was a nice hook. It's a serious or a point. It's a cue to us, you'll take it. And you turn back around that I was watching the telly and I could tell that you were trying just to be like. playing it calm, but I knew you were gassed about it. Oh, it's a huge thing, you know? Yeah. But I was happy about it. Good playing, anyway. Yeah, 100%. You love watching them live. I mean, just as movements and the way he drags people in and the speed of how he does his 1v1s and his combination playing. Soon as that bald drop to him in the box, you know, normally 80, 19-year-olds wouldn't have that level of composure in such a big game, but you just knew the outcome. Soon as it landed on his feet. I think we're looking at someone who is potentially going to get to the two that I competed against Ronaldo and Messi. He's the one, I would say, that I've seen live who potentially has got that level. If he continues, obviously, to evolve and develop and, you know, as that hunger like them to add, he's probably, you would say, in Bappie and Harland, around there, in terms of being in the prime years. But if you're looking at a youngster, we have a lot of superstars around the world, but I just think he seems to be the one that's a little bit above that level, which is unique. So I'm really looking forward to seeing how his career develops. I saw, like, on social media the day, you know, when people say, "How old players will be at certain World Cups?" It's just like a social thing that somebody had done. And he was only 22 at the World Cup in 2013. You forget how young he is. Yeah, you do forget that. And I think the biggest challenge for him and the people around him and his coaches and the people that look after him for Barcelona is how did he keep him hungry? You know, how did he keep him wanting to keep achieving things with his team and also individual awards? Because in terms of the talent and the potential, it's scary. It's scary. He's doing things on a football pitch that I've never seen in the 19-year-old. I think he's more advanced than Ronaldo at 19, he's more probably advanced. I played against Messi as a youngster. As a youngster, he played a lot wider where he plays. I think he's more advanced than them at that age. Can he go and produce them numbers in the consistency? We'll have to see, you know, is he going to become a nine further on in his career to get the volume of goals, like Messi and Ronaldo have become? We'll have to wait and see, but in terms of the three of them at 19, I think he's more advanced than them. I know it's impossible to say, because he is so young. I wonder if he'll remain at Barcelona always. Or if he'll come to the Premier League. I think if Barcelona stay in a good financial position, I mean, why would you have to move? Because you're going to be competing for Champions League. It leaves every single season. You're going to be playing in front of over 100,000 ones that stadium's done. That's going to allow you to stay around the national team if you keep performing. I just don't see why he would want to change anything. I don't see it. He's in a good spot, spectacular to watch. Unbelievable. But I would love to see him in the Premier League, but that's just selfish. The exciting thing is we've got probably 12, 15 years of watching, which is unbelievable. Well, there we go. He knows who you are. Yeah. There we go. That's right. You can't help but absolutely love that. You're watching Overlapped Daily, brought to you by Skybett and Sky Vegas. From the biggest talking points to the debates, dividing football fans, we're here to bring you all the stories we're talking about with Skybett and Sky Vegas. On today's show, Steve and I discuss all the weekends' Premier League action and we're joined by Mark Goldbridge for his take on Manchester United. Make sure you're part of the conversation by liking, subscribing and following wherever you're watching or listening. Right, so with that, let's get started. All right, well, straight away, we are joined by a very special guest this morning. Good morning to Mark Goldbridge, the host of the United Stand, who is here to discuss this. Simply insane game yesterday. Eight goals, Mark, eight. Simply insane game yesterday, eight goals, Mark, eight. What an earth happens. Yeah, I mean, I thought I'm going to be honest from the start. I feel very fatigued and I didn't say I massively enjoyed it. I actually have sympathy with Villa. I think it was a foul on the equaliser. And I didn't massively celebrate it for probably the first time in my life. I think the CEO was not even a United fan celebrated it more than me. So yeah, to be honest, I don't think that Gold did as any favours. I think if we lost the game, we'd be talking about Carrick being sacked and now they're probably going to keep him. I mean, we're in the relegation zone, Becky. I just don't get it. I don't get the singing for Carrick. I don't get the applauding the players off the pitch. I've seen nothing all season that makes me think they deserve to be applaud. And I actually think if it was Ruben Amerin or Eric Tenhag, there'd be a bigger pile on them. I just sort of look at it now and I think take away that he used to play for the club and he's got an English passport. And Michael Carrick wouldn't even be the manager. It's ridiculous. There's a one-off. I think it was a great game. But as a season, I've just, yeah, I'm at the point where I'm just almost checking out now. It's just a joke. It's a joke. Do you think Mark, do you think if he would have lost the game, do you think he would have been gone by now? I mean, logically, yes. And then the people were in the club. I wasn't surprised if he gave him a new contract if we'd lost yesterday. I saw the CEO jumping in the air celebrating. He's not even a united fan. And I'm like, you're in the relegation zone. As a CEO, I'm not jumping in the air celebrating. I'm thinking, I've got a big decision to do tomorrow. I need to keep a poker face here. And I'm like, if you're celebrating a point against Villa to keep you in the bottom three, it's very obvious to me the direction of the football club. And I have to accept in a relegation fight because even the players were talking about it after the game yesterday. Man United, who nobody predicted would be in a relegation fight, by the way, are in a relegation fight. And it's okay. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe this morning. I just can't believe it. I have to keep going on Wikipedia and looking at the titles that we've won. I feel like we're pressing North End, not Man United. It's mad. If the stay in with Michael, you know, in the next couple of days, it probably says they're going to stay with him till Christmas, maybe, and to the window. What do you think this Manchester United team needs? Because they're obviously score and goals going forward and there's a lot of good attack and play at times. But they're so open and so vulnerable and so fragile from a defensive point of view. Yeah, well, there's a couple of things I wanted to ask you, Steve, anyway. But in relation to that, I think this is a lot of people blame the players. I think that yesterday epitomised to me what the one of the biggest problems is you start the game having been trained all week and Carrick says every week, they've trained really well. You go 2-0 down, deservedly. The fans react like they did against Roma. The players react to 2-2. You go in at half time. You have another 15 minutes with Carrick. You come back out and you tune them down again. And then the fans react and the players react. So the players can clearly do it. But I think Roy Key made a good point. It's like they're playing amongst themselves. It's like whatever they're told to do isn't working. And then it hits a point where the players just go, right, let's just let's just do what we want. And then it comes a bit chaotic. But that defense got him third place last year. We've not we've not bought anyone and we've not sold anyone. It's the same as Rauy in heaven. Got a clean sheet at Stanford bridge in April. So these players are conceded 30 goals. United to concede 30 goals. And I think the alarm and thing is when the manager and the coaches are speaking and then to concede to so early in the first half. And then for that to repeat the opening stage of the second half is a huge concern. And it just looked like every time Villa went forward, they could have scored against United. I mean, yeah, I want to ask you to fix that. I mean, obviously you love Liverpool. What do you look at it from the outside in as a Liverpool fan? If you had an ex teammate who was manager and they're in the third from bottom after 10 games. Obviously I suspect that I've spoken to Wayne. Obviously gets on with Karik and you can tell that he wants him to do well. But it's not acceptable for Manchester United or Liverpool to be in the bottom three after 10 games. Like there surely has to come a point where you go, Michael Karik is a great player as a player. But as a manager, that's not acceptable. What do you think is going on in United? Well, I've been in that situation and asked them Villa at this stage, maybe a bit earlier, the last window where Villa had dropped down to a couple of places above the relegation and I lost my job. I have to accept that and take it on the chin and a took full responsibility for that. I think if it was to happen, I don't think anyone would be surprised because of the position and the points that they've put on the board in the league and to concede 30 points. My point last week when I saw to try to give Michael a bit of support. And it wasn't because I played with him. I don't know Michael Karik that well outside of being a footballer on a pitch with him. He's a decent guy of course he is, but it was more my opinion from the outside as a Liverpool fan is. Does that fix all United's problems by sucking just one guy in the manager? Because the maddest thing during the game yesterday, the 4-4, wasn't just a gold United concede. It was to see someone celebrate in a draw. He's represented my United. I've never seen that in 30 years since I've known what Manchester United about. I've never seen any one connectivity in the United celebrated draw. Yeah, was that him celebrating that he maybe doesn't have to make the decision on Michael Karik tomorrow morning? Yeah, 100%. It was weird. He's not a man United fan. He is not. He's come in from Manchester. He 10 years ago he was tweeting about man United taking the piss out of us. He's now celebrating that and I saw it as that absolutely. It was almost like he's celebrating not having to sat Karik, not having any pressure on him for two weeks, but annex games unfilled. I mean, we've got eight points from 30 and we've got to go to unfield. I mean, it's all right. Oh, he survives the international break. Why is no one looking long-term in going? We've got unfields in James's Park and the Emirates before Christmas. Do you think United are struggling when expectation is on them? What I mean by that is when they're play teams and they've gone down to 10 men, then expect it to kick on and they struggle. When the shackles are off, they do better. Yeah, I think it's a good point, but then I would say we've lost the crap as well. I've just called whole crap. I would just realise, sorry, but like you'd expect to beat Hall. We lost to them. You'd expect to beat Fullham and Everton. We didn't beat them. Leads. We didn't beat them, but I do get your point. I think that when there's nothing to lose, we do tend to react quite well to it, but that's not unusual. I think Liverpool are the same. I mean, look at, look at 99. We went very good in that final against Bayern Munich. It's the last couple of minutes. There's nothing to lose. You've got four forwards on the pitch, Solshar wins it. Sharing obviously equalises it. I think that's probably something that's ingrained in certain football clubs that when there's nothing to lose, they have a great history of doing something about it. The trouble I would have with that, and the interest to know what Stevie says, I don't think it's sustainable. What you did in '05, you wouldn't be able to do that over 38 games. It probably takes a lot of players to play like that every week anyway, where you just go, we're losing this game, and we just go for it. What do you think the players want, Mark? From what you see here, you probably watch every interview, you're probably looking for every word that's getting said around that team and that club. I think normally, from the outside, you can sort of get a feeling or what you see on the pitch in terms of what the players, what do you think they would want, a fresh start and a reset now, and someone who's going to take the blame away from them? Yeah, I think so, because I think we've got into this weird situation, and I was just talking about it on the United Sand this morning, where there is this section of the media, ex-player community, and United fans that just seem to absolve Karik of all responsibility. It's not his fault, it's the players fault, it's the boards fault, which is, in my opinion, total nonsense. I think as a player, it'd probably be at a point, especially this morning, where I'd go, "Well, look, we were 2-0 down to Roma, we won 3-2. We're 2-0 twice to Villa, and we get it back. We can't be accused of not trying, because we could easily have just let that Roma go and let the Villa game go and Karik's out of a job anyway." So I think there is a better team there. I don't agree that a better manager can't do a better job, and I think as a player looking at your own career, you don't want to be in a relegation fight, you want to be playing in Europe, so I'd be looking at it and going, "If this manager's not up to it, I want a better manager, definitely." International break, coming now for United, first, you think that sort of leaves them the players, everybody, maybe the break could be good. We can't do it in games. That's a bad point, well-mosed. I think Liverpool's a terrible game to have to come back and play. We did win there last year, and it wouldn't surprise me the way you know what it are that we wouldn't go and get maybe a point there, but it's very unlikely. It's going to be relentless from when we come back to Christmas and beyond. I think after 10 games, as much as I don't want to say, I think we probably are in a relegation battle. I mean, this is not a blip anymore. It's a reality. You are way you deserve to be, and I think the three teams in the bottom three are the three worst teams in the league by quite a way at the moment. Shock of the week. The award goes to Mark Goldbridge. You absolutely nailed this. Just on it again, what you know, to the downfield, saying they're going to get a point. Yeah, yeah, you better be worried now. I did say Bill are a man. You know, I'd be a draw as well. I think I'd live up to in at Palace. I didn't do Forest City. That annoyed me, but no, I think Sunderland Chelsea, Chelsea haven't got a striker, some shocking VAR decisions. But yeah, Chelsea, yeah, I fancy Sunderland there. So yeah, my shock is not going to be man United to get a result on field. I don't want to jinx that, but yeah, I was glad we kept that in the edit on Friday, because the producer was saying, "Let's move on," and I said, "No, I want to do my shock of the week." So there we go. Fear play, me. Top shelf. I'll give you that fear play. Have a great show. Have a good one. Thanks, Mark. Cheers. Bye. Bye-bye. Mark said well there with that prediction. Did you see it coming? Do we have to praise him? No, unbelievable shout. I didn't see it coming. I'm not a better man, but if it was a better man, I'd have definitely gone for Chelsea, especially on the back of their performance. Again, she and I really love them coming forward. Play is in good form. I didn't see an upset there. Haven't said that, you know, I think we've seen enough Sunderland over the last 12 months, you know, that they have got that result in the locker. I don't think they've had the best of season so far, but big, big result for Sunderland, and hopefully they can kick off on from that. Now, I think I haven't broadly fit in available. I think he caused Chelsea to send the back to a lot of problems with his physicality and his whole play. If they can keep him in the team, keep him fit, I can see Sunderland building on this performance and this result. I feel like, as you said, they needed that. Brian Brober is just signed a new contract for Sunderland. I feel the fans needed that, that someone like him and is invested in that team and that squad. - Well, he's the talisman now, isn't he? And he's someone who you can build the team around. He sort of gives you that focal point and he sort of gives you that main part of your identity at Sunderland, which is to, you know, for him to cause as much damage and as much chaos to defenders and defenders as he possibly can. And he'd done that to Chelsea. I'm a big fan, I call well. I'm went for final's fit and he's consistently playing. He's a good defender as well, but he caused him endless problems. It was a mismatch at times. A real bullying job. And I think that helped him. - There was a colossal performance from Sunderland. Have they just been sort of wasting to unlock that? Because you don't become a, you know, a poor team to suddenly end up there. - The bad sum injury, the bad sum injuries, the bad players missing. I think it was the first time at the weekend they sort of had everyone available for the majority fit and available. It was a tough game, Chelsea come in form. But it's a win and get a clean sheet. I move a bit in the table, we'll be big for them. Especially where it'd be in the last game before the international break. You know, Chelsea was a goal there and win. More pressure, more questions. Second season syndrome, they can't play. After you're all in questions and the negativity just stays for another two weeks, but I think they've lifted a lot of glue. Fans are delighted. Win, clean sheet, Robbie's back. I think there's a lot for them to go and build on them. - In regards to Chelsea, it feels, does it feel like I should ask you, you shouldn't say it's a statement. Does it feel like it's two steps forward, one step back? - Yes, very much so. It's the inconsistency, isn't it? It's, I think for Chelsea to move forward, they have to put more rooms again together, more wins on the bounce. It does seem like the win in a couple, and everyone's singing the praises, and then they have a result that's a bit shocking, like the Tottenham on a home, and now some in the way. But what I liked about Alonzo's interview after the game is he's not pointing to the referee and going, oh, maybe it shouldn't have been a penalty, or he's not looking for excuses. He's looking in the mirror first, and he's saying he's responsible for how the team plays and how it looked, and he wasn't happy with any part of the Chelsea performance. I really liked that from him, where he's taking the ownership, and he's not looking to, you know, not answer questions, or give us a load of fluff if you like, he's saying no. We have put some really good performances in the season, but we're all so not happy with these, that are popping up every now and again, it does seem like two steps forward, one back at the moment. - In terms of recruitment and where he wants to go, do you think defensively is where he needs to start? - 100%, 100%. Chelsea have good defenders. I really like Reese James when he's fitting available, and he plays right back, I think he's the best right back in the country. Obviously got his injury problems, which should be well documented. Really like Colwell, 'cause he gives the night balance and the left foot. They've got a fantastic goalkeeper now, who I've worked with. And I look at the midfield and the front line and think back in compete, but with all due respect, I mean, I think for Chelsea to compete with your Arsenal, cities, Liverpools and the top end of the Champions League, I think they need to find a world-class centre-backs and a world-class left-back. That'll be my opinion. - Well, let's hope that they can move along with that, because going into-- - Can I just relate that to when I played, Ashley Cole, John Seri, Cavalio of Anavitch. Now, that's a back four that can compete and prove that I competed the top end of the Premier League and the top end of the Champions League. If I look at Chelsea's back five now, I go, "Martin, isn't Peter Chek, okay?" Not much in it. You know, Martin has proved he can win a World Cup and really perform on a high level. I think the Chelsea defenders still have to prove themselves that he can go and compete at the top end of the Premier League and also at the top end of the Champions League, because that back four that'll be played with Chelsea at MacAlele in front or SCN in front. That was some base to aspire. They were top world-class players. I think for Chelsea to go to the next level, they need to recruit that. - Is that even bitter taste as well going into an international break or for a result like that? - Bitter, maybe not, for frustration, yeah. On the back of the Manchester United performance, where they were, you know, dominant scored great goals, even though Manchester United were good in the first half, I think Chelsea came out of different team and you'll see that team in the second half. That didn't turn up at Sunderland, so that's frustrating. I'm sure it is for the Chelsea fans and for Jabil Enzo. It was nowhere near the level of the Manchester United game in the second half. - Well, Sunderland needed that result just to give them something. Another team down the bottom. That did incredibly well this week. - Yeah, and it's even forrest. - Yeah, it releases a lot of pressure on Sunderland, getting that win in the clean sheet. Forrest, I mean, water performance. Put the TV on 10 minutes before kickoff and you can see the city grounds all misty. You can tell it's cold, but the cameras pan around the fans and the fans are right up for it. The right up and you think, "Hmm, I think we might see a different forest performance here." And we certainly did. It was more aggressive. They were winning jewels all over the pitch. They were organised. And in the forest performance, it took me back to when I watched Forrest that I'm failed earlier in the season. And he played that five, four, one out of possession. That becomes a bit of a boxing possession. But it was aggressive. It was up for it, everyone was all in. Early tackles in the game. They saw to put the stamp on the game really early and I thought, "I think we're going to see a better forest performance here." - So then, is this a product of seeing a postmatch interview given by Glassnow who had choice words to say the week before, having a positive effect on his side? - Yeah, I think so. I think the forest players have realised themselves that they need to start rewarding performances because the performances have been there, but it's lacked a bit of quality and a little bit of goals, you know, being clinical in the final third. That's what's been missing. Put the score to three goals against the city side. I mean, all the goals are fantastic. It's true from the lack one from CUNY. And they sort of forced the goals city, you know, like pressing high and pressing aggressive and stealing the ball. I mean, God, they all got bullied for the first goal. CUNY steps in and just obviously slotted all me at options or left or right, but back themselves, lovely finish to go on the lap. And the lap was a different animal. It's in terms of the never-wear great desire. I think he's a really honest player. You know, he battles, he competes. But if you had won criticism prior to this game, you would say that he maybe hasn't scored enough goals since he's coming though, but he certainly put that right at the weekend and you're hoping that he can maybe go and build on that now and use that confidence and belief. If you can do that against City, you should be able to produce against most teams in the league. What I loved about that game as well was Oliver Glastner. Did you see him run down the touch line? - Hi, Lovola. - Me too. - I love it. - I mean, to do that in the boots. Yeah, down the seat of the boots together. You were like a hiking, which you can understand, call night in November. But he had some speed there. But I love Lovola. I love Lovola. And when you're there and you get a goal and that emotion, I can totally understand it. - The city ground was just absolutely bouncing. - And the grey fans there, it's a tough place to go when the fans are in that mood, but it's down to the players to get the fans there. And they certainly did something off. - So the flip side to that, though, is Manchester City's third Premier League defeat in a row? Are they heading for a crisis here? Or is that too strong of a word? - Yeah, I think it's probably a little bit too early for that, but I think there's definitely concerns there. Watch City a lot of the back end of the last season and praise them defensively as well as attacking in terms of sort of my gaze performance. I was raving about him at the back end of the season. He got took off again half time. I think that's the second time. I felt like he could have done more for the second goal. I felt he could have done a last ditch tackle and tried to affect. He could have give a foul away where it's case, but I think he'd be the bust of the gut and really pushed himself and done the last bit. I think he could have stopped the second goal. Same for Guardioli, he gets robbed for the first goal. So this is out of character for these type of players. These players. - Because he was so reliable. - And so was Guardioli. - Yeah. - Both of them have made big adders in that game. I've been critical of the goalkeeper in recent weeks. Probably my choice of words, actually. - As you say, do we get to go back? - I own my apology. And I own my apology because the choice of words from me were disappointing. I'm disappointed in myself because we're saying that. - That's all right, we live and learn. - We do live and learn and I own it. But what I want to double down and I think he's out of form, the goalkeeper is out of form. I don't think he could have done much with the goals at the weekend, maybe one that dilapsed first one, maybe. But the worry for city is defensively to open this season, to give him big chances up. There's a lot of space behind them. And then when you add individual adders in there as well, I think my rescue will be really concerned about what's seen defensively. - Do you think the Enzo Fernandez transfer that move has worked? - I think he's a really good player. You would have to say no at the moment. I think there's a lot of questions getting asked, you know, is it working in there with Anderson? Should Guardi be playing? I don't think they've found the right balance in the middle of the field at the moment. [BLANK_AUDIO] And then when you add Cherokee into that, I think Cherokee is suited for certain games. You mean, you score the hell of a goal, the left-foot ballie, to get them back in and after half-time. And I really like him, he's very inventive and creative, but you're going away to forest, and you know, this forest team are really aggressive, and they're going to come for you. You know, as Mereskin happens to pick maybe a stronger midfield in terms of a bit more bite and a bit more aggression in there, because they got dominated, and they didn't win many jewels. He was second best in there, and two, if not three of the goals come from them not competing well enough in my opinion. Has Mereska got enough credit in the bank at this moment in time? I would say yes, I think he'll be given a fair chance and a fair crack at it, but you know and I know, in this league, things can turn and change very quickly due to results, and it's not like City to lose three on the spin. So I think the next game is really important, but he's got that couple of week window. A lot of his players will be gone, but he's got time to breathe and reset, but I'm sure in the next couple of weeks he's going to be looking at a scene from a defensive point of view and an organisation point of view, because City will always create and score. They had some big chances in this game, Harlan Rounds, the keeper, Harlan, that's the killer. So the creator and then there haven't enough attacks, Cherky's goals, world class, leftful volley into the roof of the net, right in the top corner, top top goal. So the flair and the creativity is still there, but going that way, they look very vulnerable, they look very open to me. So it's crazy that we're going to talk about Bryson in the way that at one point we were talking about, Van City, but Bryson, I'm sold, I'm absolutely sold on Bryson, that absolutely fine. Is this actually potentially a horrible time for an international break to come for? Yeah, the break for Bryson's come at a bad time because you want that consistency and that consistency and you knew it, whatever got me out. So go to the break, they're the what, sorry? Continue it, see? Yeah, there you go. I'll believe in a Christmas, that's what I'm going to say. I love Bryson. Well, I was going to say, at what point are we going to say. I'll believe in a Christmas. Seriously, they could content. If we're still seeing them around the top two and three, Christmas, I believe there'll be an exciting race, but at the moment, I still believe through my own experience that they will have some tough moments or tough parts of the season, having said that, the evidence suggests that I'm going to be proven wrong at the moment. I believe in a Christmas Becky, if they're still flying a Christmas, I'll believe it. They've scored more goals than anyone else, only Arsenal have conceded less. They're up to second in the table and yet no one really is talking about them. Well, it should be, and we have been, we've been really giving them a lot of plays and they deserve that. I mean, again, the first goal, left foot strike from the edge of the box. Wow, unbelievable. Unbelievable, penalty struck right on the top. Players are playing with confidence and no fear, and they believe, they're playing like they believe that they're going to be there coming the end of the season. But, you know, from experience to get too carried away with a team, and all the members very early, in my opinion. If they're still around it, a Christmas or they can get through the Christmas period, that congestive fixes that we all know and come out into the new year in the same place. I'll believe it. All right, I'm going to pull this, I'm going to mark this and come back to it. Christmas, let's see where we're at there. There was a red card in that game, though, which obviously, to your go. Yeah, I think it is a red card. It's a stupid red card from a brown food perspective. Tiago, he sort of goes up with the arm. I think sometimes you can get away with it arm if it's sort of part of play. But when you start going up and the contact, and it was a little bit of a fast sharp one, you give the referee a decision to make, and I think with VR, you know, referees are going to give you the red for that. Yeah. Palace Liverpool Palace, it will come on to Liverpool, but Crystal Palace. PSR is in a lot of trouble here. I'd say I think so, yeah. I was asked the question over the weekend, who I would say is, under the most heat and pressure, and who I think will probably lose the job first. And I hate saying that because I've been in that position, it's never nice on anyone. It wouldn't surprise me in the next 24 hours if Crystal Palace had a name in your manager, or say that they're looking for. It just hasn't got the fans you feel like still want it to work for him, but because it's not all his own fault. They haven't replaced the defenders that they installed. No, they haven't. They haven't. And they miss Matetta. So why would it be different when someone else comes in? Because the team's still the same. Yeah, an oboe. If results are not changing, this is normally the time of year when ownership and chairman sort of use this to say, well, we've got two weeks now to introduce new managers that give the new manager the best chance to try and galvanise and lift and reset and go again with the court and group of players you've got. If it doesn't work from now to Christmas, you've still got that window. Whereas the awaited window, it could be too late. Thomas Frank seems to be the name that's leading the line for this or being linked to it. Yeah, I think someone like Eddie Howe, for example, with all due respect, would be out of Palace's reach. Obviously he's available as well with Premier League experience. So I can understand that Thomas Frank won. Steve Cooper is another one who seems to be around the media and looking for another possibility to get back into the Premier League. Rafa Benitez has been sort of making noises as well. I know extremely well. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was Thomas Frank. And it wouldn't surprise me if that happens in the common days. What I would say is Palace wearing poor yesterday. So this is what I was also going to come on to. Because I was saying the actual context of the game. The result has consequences with the context of the game. No, I would. Well, listen, I think the penalty at the end gave the score line a little bit of respect. And I felt like they deserved the goal over the performance. I wasn't happy with the penalty incident. Although I understand it and it is a bit late, you don't really want to see penalties. Given when two people have really gone for a head like that, it's, I don't know, it just didn't sit right with me. Having said that, I thought Palace performance was pretty good. Because Liverpool, a lot of problems, and Liverpool needed a man at the match, performance from Alison and strong defend them from all of the defenders at times, to keep Palace from scoring. Because they looked dangerous at times. They looked really dangerous. War and played some lovely passes over the back. Pino was lively. They were causing Liverpool a lot of problems down the left, put some crosses in, strung last, and scores. It was, it was disallowed. So 3-0 were the flattered Liverpoolers, I would have said. But from a Liverpool perspective, it's a top result. It's a strong away performance. I think that's four on the spin now. And I think Liverpool needed that win. Because I think there would have been a lot of questions if you didn't get that win. Going into the international break. Alexis McAllister, is he playing for this new contract? Yeah, I think Alison stops them from getting a man at the match. I think from an outfield perspective, again, it was a consistent performance. I've loved him this season. I think last year, like a lot of the Argentinian players, I think the focus, or they've got a bit of a distraction with the Whale Cup coming in. It's the way they are. It's like the Whale Cup takes all the everything in their lives. And I sort of live that with Marthien as when I was Avila. In what way? I just think it becomes a priority. I think it becomes a bit of a distraction. It becomes the most important thing in their lives. It's to be ready and not injured and make sure that the national team is priority. So I think a lot of the Argentinian players, I'm sure a lot of managers, if they watch this, we'll see the area of experience that. But in terms of what I've seen this season, I think Alexis McAllister deserves a new deal. And I want Liverpool to keep him because he's a really clever footballer. He's a competitor, he's aggressive, he knows the game is understanding of the game's top. He's fantastic in the air. He's fantastic in the air for a little fella. I think there's only really Michael Owen I've seen, who's a similar size, who's probably better than him in the air, but he's a threat at set pieces. He's helpful, defend and set pieces. And he's brave and he just knows the game, he's got a real good understanding. He's an experienced player. I wouldn't want Liverpool to lose him now. I think he's being really key to the midfield set, and I felt like Liverpool as a team, were a little bit soft in the opening games of the season. I see a bit more fight now and a bit more spirit and a bit more competitors of sides of this Liverpool team. I think we can get better. But I'm really happy with McAllister and his form at the moment. So the next two games for Liverpool United, at home Everton away? Well the interesting thing on Liverpool United is, is it going to be under Michael Carrick, time itself. But you'd have to fancy Liverpool on going forward and that goes without saying. I mean, at the moment when I watch Manchester United, I don't fancy them against anyone. Because they're so open, defensively, they look all over the place. So the big thing is, Liverpool going to face the United team with a different manager, is it going to be Michael Carrick's United, because I'm not sure Michael and Steve Holland are getting the reaction that they would want out of this team, certainly from a defensive point of view. Should just clarify the next two games in the league, someone will come at me. and be like they've got someone else in the middle of that. I know, talking about the probably legal, they've got who? And being told it is Bruce, there we go. I knew that was something's legal. I missed it in the hovers against. I'm flooring the skull and assist for him. Are we seeing the attacking qualities that. I think he's playing with more confidence and more belief. He's certainly contributing a bit more in terms of assists and his contribution in the final third. He seems to be playing with a little bit more freedom. But it was the Liverpool's front line that won the game in terms of the goals that they scored and produced. But without the goalkeeper, I think they could add a lot more problems. Yes, the Alison was tremendous. Back to his best. But yeah, all the four would play as. And you've got to praise them and give them credit because if Liverpool don't win that game, everyone looks to the front line. Back, all of them are doing it. Vets is not doing it. ESA hasn't turned up and. You hear a lot of criticism of people jump on it really quick because of these price tags that they carry in. But they delivered yesterday. Back, all of them got a nice assist for Vets. ESA gets his goal again and it was lovely to see Vets get his first goal this season. We need more now. You know, we need more goalway of Germany. Hopefully you can stay healthy and come back with more confidence and more belief and keep doing it, keep getting your numbers. So Serge, you're nice, did. And then Everton, right, bite down on the gum shields. Everton needs some prize. They do. They do and David Moyes. He saves a lot of praise. He probably can't say this, but I don't think he got enough backing in the summer in terms of numbers in his squad. Obviously he lost in Gi, which was a big loss. He was arguably the best player last year. But to have Everton, I think they jumped to fourth on Friday night after the win. Obviously they think Liverpool have gone back above them because Liverpool be palace. But to have Everton where they are now, they're in the quarterfinal of the league cup. I've got Everton friends who really love the team and they all follow Everton. They're saying to me, we'd love a top-of-the-finish, but we've got to go on when the league cup. They want to go on when it's Rolfi. It reminds me a little bit where Newcastle were. Pre-League cup when David Liverpool. They got Fleetwood in the last eight. With all due respect. If Everton said up, he should be in the semi-final of the league cup. So if you can go on win the league cup and have Everton in a round at top eight pound for pound, that's probably arguably going to be the best job of the season, in my opinion, with a small squad. That's probably short. So out of them where they are so far this season, David Moise and this event seem to be a lot of credit. A lot of credit. Tiana Barry, not only is he the best dancer, and they're primarily by the looks of it, but is he finally becoming the goal scorer that Everton needed? He's on fire at the moment. He's still a little bit raw in terms of his all-around play, but in terms of the work and the jolly does for the team, ultra-possession, and he's delivering goals. He deserves all the credit that is out there. I'm not sure on his dance, I'm not going to get that into the work. I like it a bit personally. I also think, you know, Ken and Jews, we all deserve to be in the England squad. We're going to come on to that about the England squad, but yes, Ken and Jews, I know you're a big fan. You tried to sign him, didn't you? I did try to sign him on loan, I must say. He was a youngster at Leicester. We played Leicester's under 23s in an international break, the Rangers team, 'cause we wanted to give him minutes so the lads that were staying behind. So we played Leicester's under 23s. They come up, we played them at Eyebrox. And I'm watching the game and I'm thinking to myself, who's he and who's he? So go to the seam sheet, Harvey Byne, Harvey Byne's, and Jews be whole. Soon as the game finished, I'm saying to Mark Allen, it was the sport director of the time, can you get me them to and loan? Do whatever we need to do to get them alone, but unfortunately Brandon Rogers, the manager, it was probably-- That was the reason. Yeah, probably the reason, yeah. But I would have took both of them alone at a flat in the flash. Because he's so integral to the Everton midfield now. He is, and I think this is the key as to why he's probably just missed out because we tried to sign and we wanted them to be a runner-nate. So we played with two rates that like to get into the box. And we seen him as that left side one, or maybe sometimes on the right, getting the ball back and putting half-space crosses in. So we've seen a few different roles that we wanted them in our team for. But I think David Moise is sort of give him a little bit more freedom and a little bit more license to run and make sure that Barry's not isolated up there on his own. He's a powerful runner. He's someone who does his job really good for the team out of position. So he's physically aggressive. He works hard. He had him in Ghana, or the old dogs of war. Yeah, yeah. Barry on and John Ebrill and Cole, but they've got Everton playing, you know, really aggressive, Harrison Armstrong's in there as well. So they've got a real nice blend in that midfield. But usually, he's the one who's got a little bit of magic about him. He's got a wonderful effort. His goal was amazing. I think Frank will be disappointed with his goalkeeper, but he deserved that goal. He's in top form. And I was a little bit disappointed from that he just missed out. But I think he misses out because he's more of a run and 10 for Everton, and then you look at Morgan Rogers's Jude Bellingham's and Cole Pan, or doesn't get in the squad. So he's in a real tough pool of players to move in this logic, because they're all in good form for England. So you can understand this election. But for him, I would like to see him be in it because he's been fantastic. I liked his honesty as well. He said in his post match into, yeah, I was disappointed. I was sad. It was a sad morning. And I thought, good for you for actually saying that, but then coming out and responding in the way that you did getting the goal. Signed for a player with a great mentality, and near the plays you want in your dressing room. Top sign and for Evan. And yeah, I can see him going on and getting more goals this season. It's a great role for him in the Moe's team to have that license to go and join and get around. Nobody causes a lot of chaos. And there's a lot of selfish women so they're a good little, a good little bird. Was that difficult for you? No, because-- The prize ever said, I mean. I don't have to sit here and talk about my rival. I think it's well-known if I would have him. When Evan play well, I say I haven't played well. Yeah. And if he does it, like, I love David Moe's. Yeah, I love David Moe's. When he went back, he said to me, one of him made his real strong Evan fun. I said, that's the best thing Evan have done in the last 10 years is getting back. He's a top manager, top manager. He has his teams organized, well-drilled. Everyone knows what they're doing. The difficult to play against. They've got a nice physicality about them. But at the right times, they play some really nice stuff as well. And Evan did, because Covensy, lots of problems in the second half. Did Arsenal play some nice stuff this weekend? Do one nail to the Arsenal? It feels like their superpower is becoming winning whilst not playing that exciting stuff, but-- That's not a bad super power as well. Yeah. When Liverpool won the league on the Rani Schloss, we all gave them a lot of criticism for being Roy Keen's words bad champions, because they never really turned up in the next season. And they saw it never had what Arsenal had, which is that real strength out of possession, difficult to play against. Not many shots on your goal, cheering out clean sheets and winning games in different ways. And if the game's not set up for a lovely game of football, and it's a difficult one, Arsenal find a way in the grind and like the Arsenal teams of generations ago, where if the game needs to be won 1-0 with a scrappy goal, they'll do it. And that's what he did to hold. Of course, he was some nice bitters in the game. By the way, he could play really well. All the guards, obviously, got lovely flair. But it wasn't an Arsenal game where they got on blow all the way, and I think that's what everyone expects. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. There's been a lot of fixes in this block. It's about getting wins and getting over the line. And Arsenal are doing everything right at the moment. There was a confusing moment in this game with a shirt pull and an off-side. How did you view it? Well, the referee sort of brought the confusion because there was a 100% share pull. It was very similar to the Liverpool one the week before, which I think the majority of people believed should have been a penalty. And this one should have been a penalty as well. Probably, I'd older the share for a little bit longer. So the referee goes to the screen, and he comes back and says the reason he's not given the penalty is because there's an off-side, and he's given the off-side against Havett. But Havett is not interfering with the play. So he shouldn't have given the off-side. Therefore, he should have given the pen. So we're talking about VIR again. But the referee sort of didn't fill me with confidence in the terms of explaining that. It just brought confusion when I watched it back. And, yeah, Arsenal should have had a penalty like I believe Liverpool should have had the week before, because the off-side shouldn't have been given. The referee gave it by going to the screen. It's, yeah, it's a consistency thing, again, isn't it? As long as we ask for. (upbeat music) - Right, this Saturday. I don't know if you've marked this or not, but back in 2012, this Saturday coming up was your 100-thingling cup. - Was it really? - No, I haven't marked that. It was a long time ago. - Do you remember it? - Yeah, and remember a game, yeah. Really proud of the moment, for, obviously, me and my family getting the 100 cups under the Royal Children. We lost the game for two. - Well, it was last year and the day didn't he? He turned up and seen me getting a little bit of force before the game, and he's probably just looking and I'm going to ruin his day, and he did. He scored four, one was an overhead kick, which is an absolute joke. - Unbelievable, girl. - One of the best goals I've seen. - Where were you on the pitch when that goal was scored? What was your view? - Trying to get close to him. (laughing) I was meant to stop that. No, but listening, he was unplayable on the day. And, wait, wait, wait. When you're on a pitch next to his lap and he kits big, I mean, he's a big guy anyway, 6'4", 6'5", but when he gets the kit on he just looks even more big and more strong and more powerful. And I bumped in soon years after Dan in LA and members saying to him, "Yeah, thanks for doing a me hundred cap. Appreciate that." But yeah, 4-2, Sweden away. But great moment for me to get a hundred caps and join a very small few players on that list was amazing. Because I never dreamed I'd play for England hundreds of times. Where'd you keep all your caps, like your memorabilia and all? All my England stuff stays in a bank. A bank. In a bank here. In a vault in a bank. And I've got access to it if I want to use it for anything. I normally live a pool stuff kept that I'm filled. Oh, no. I think the user is part of the Liverpool Museum. But it's so important since it means so much to me that I'm so paranoid of losing it or shutting it up. That's where it can't be the place. So I think it's better to have that type of stuff where it can't be touched. When was the last time you went to the vault to go and look at it? A while ago. But I've been to get some match-worn shirts recently. Oh, OK. To give to people who have been good to me some. Very cool. I don't believe I've got one yet, but that's OK. There's always too much. I didn't know you had to win a bank. You're not going to want a Liverpool one, are you being a man you fun? Well, I'll take an England one, though. Let's see how nice you are, then. OK, I'm on probation for that shirt, then glolo. It feels a bit harsh, saying, from the old to the new. But that's all we're going to now with England teams and who gets elected these days. Josh King has got his first call at 19 years old. I hope he makes it. He went off injured at the weekends, but you'll be right. Yeah, well, reports suggest he will be all right. I think he came off around the 72nd minute with a tight groin. Fingers crossed for him. Big moments. I'm sure he's delighted with the call up. And he thoroughly deserves it. I think he's been exciting. He's been full of energy. And the key thing for me is listening to what managers say. You know, on the back of him getting called up. And Alvaro Abbaloa came out and said that he wants to learn. He wants to grow. He wants to continue to improve. And that's music to my ears because I've really watched, I really enjoy watching them. I get excited. And when I'm about to watch them, I think he's really creative. Lovely energy. And I think he's going to be a top player. For him as well. When you go to England camp, how much of a step up, how much sort of more experienced you gain from that? How different is it from your Premier League week? It'll be very different for him because there's not many full-on players around. Now, I don't know whether he's got any other relationships with any other players from growing up or, you know, younger England teams if you like, but it'll be a nerve-wracking experience for him. But I'm sure the senior players and the staff will make him feel welcome. Now, let's hope that the growing things just am legal and it doesn't affect him because I'd love him to get his first cap. And I think his Premier League performance was for full-on. A light would deserve a first cap. And I know that feeling. It's a unbelievable feeling when you get the opportunity. I went into a dressing room with Alan Sheerid, Tony Adams, Teddy Shentingham, Steve Markman, and Beckham Skulls. Mark, he and all these players that I'd watched for so many years in the Premier League and then I'm sitting in Wembley's dressing room. And this was the whole shouting and scream I'm getting ready to make my debut against Ukraine and it was just an unbelievable feeling. I hope Josh King falls to the same feeling. Incredible. I'm sure he will. Gosh, just hearing you talk about things like that, you went on to do so much, but it all starts somewhere. Yeah, you never forget your first game. For Liverpool, I came on for two to three minutes against Blackbeard in the Premier League and I think I had four to choose a couple of them way in great touches. But I just remember the next day sitting there thinking I've represented Liverpool, my dreams come true. And then it's the same feeling from an England perspective when you first get that first cap on your walk and I'll be on some of your heroes like, wow. Yeah. Am I really here to pinch me moments? Incredible. Trent is in the squad again. He hasn't had too many chances at Real Madrid. So, he obviously did enough last time out with Thomas Tuchal to back him again. Yeah, interesting because Reese James is obviously injured as well. It'd be interesting if he was fitting available with you with the one selected. But I think Trent getting an opportunity after the World Cup in that three-week window, he must have impressed, he must have trained well. He must have done enough when he got his opportunities in the game for Tuchal and Anthony Barley to sort a one-on-back. I think Trent's a great player. I think when you're picking a squad of 20 plus players, the tools that Trent's got in terms of opening a defence and his range of passing and his experience that he gained at Liverpool and now he's at Real Madrid, I think he should be picked and selected. But I think moving forward, Trent's got to try and in the right to get more minutes and more opportunities in the round. I think it's a sort of effect being a starter for England to move forward, in my opinion. Whenever these teams are announced, you always go through it and you're looking who's in, who's out. There is no cold parmer again. Kobe Maynow, but he's had some injuries, he's missed out. Phil Foden is not in there. Yeah, I can understand Foden the main in May knows other injury problems. He hasn't played many minutes in the last, you know, since the last selection. Foden just seems to be a Manchester City sub at the moment. He's had a few starts when Mereska's tinkered with the squad. But if Manchester City picked his strongest 11, it doesn't seem like Foden's in that starting 11. That's probably the reason why he's not affecting the England team. Or the squad at the moment is probably other players that are playing more minutes, they're probably in a better physical condition. And the production of goods for their team, so it's understandable the Foden one. I love Foden, I think he's in top form. He plays with City and England. But it's certainly understandable from Thomas's selections that he's not near it. The Cole Palmer one confuses me. I understand both sides of this because he wasn't selected in the Whale Cup. Thomas is every right to pick who he thinks is going to help him in the Whale Cup. Then he goes back to Cole after the Whale Cup. I think a bit of he goes kicked in on Cole's side where he's gone. I'm carrying a little bit of a niggle. I never got picked for the Whale Cup. I'm probably not going to play before Rogers and Bellingham in these games. I'm just going to rest it. And it came out that he was managing his load and stuff. I don't think that was the right thing to do. I think he should have joined up with England and really tried to give that a goal to prove the England staff wrong for not picking them in the Whale Cup. So he doesn't go to that one in September. There's no international break in October. But now we're in November. He doesn't get selected again. So I think Thomas has remembered him dropping out in September. So there's a bit of an underlying issue here. I think we're. It's like a cat and mouse thing. I think they need to communicate. I think they need to have a 1v1 and a coffee or a bit of lunch and go, come on. Because I think they can both help each other. I think Cole Palmer should definitely be in the England squad. And he should be pushing for minutes in the England scene. That's what I see in terms of what a rating in a Chelsea shirt. But I can understand both sides of it. The manager thinks he should have put his body on the line a bit more for England in September. Cole's frustrated from the Whale Cup. I think this needs a bit of a communication between them both to try and solve this issue because Cole needs Thomas. Thomas needs Cole in my opinion. In terms of how Thomas Tuchel is doing with the England squad, obviously third in the World Cup. But where would you like to see this progressing and going where do you think they're at? Where do you think he wants it to be at? I think he's got to get the team ready for the Euro now for the last of stages and going to try and win it. I think France and Spain are the two teams that I would say are in England's way. So we need to get this team at that level. I think this team where at that level in the semi-final when they went 1-0 up. And for some reason we didn't go for it in an English way, which is to roll your sleeves up and be bold and be brave and go for it. And obviously I've had a lot of my criticisms. And our team did because we didn't show enough from an England perspective. And I think in that moment this England group never was at the manager's tactics. It wasn't being a bit guarded and protected to try and protect the one they'll win. I think we can get in the same position again. I think we can get to a semi-final of the Euro's. I would like us to go for it and be bold because I think England's strength is attack. Attacking players, attacking flare, lodgers, bellingham, cane, pamphled and all these players. The strength of the England team and group is front end. Sometimes the best way to attack is to defend is to attack. And I think we went the other way. And we tried to put all our attack and flare on the edge of our box to protect in a block. I think that was the right idea in my opinion. I think everyone felt that when they were watching that game. So this time when we get to a semi-final which we will, because the players are good enough to get in that situation again, I want this Thomas 2 team to go for it because I think a bold England can get to another final and I think a bold England can get all their life. Thomas 2 team, is that what we're coming up with? I seem to do the day 2 shall 2 dot 0. So the way I cut was Thomas 1. Now we're talking that this new team is Thomas 2. Well I'd like to see Thomas 2 when we get to the semi-final next time. It's to look at our squad and go we are so good. from an attacking point of view, what we've got on the pitch and what we've got on the squad, I don't think it makes sense to protect. I'm going to get that on a t-shirt, Thomas, too. Go for it. I will do. Harry Kane, signing a contract at Bayern Munich, he has become the highest pay player in Europe. I'm going to applaud him for that. Yeah, I'll applaud that. I'll do it, Harry. What a couple of weeks it's been for him? Danny deserves it, his consistency is numbers, the way he handles himself on and off the pitch, he's an elite well class operator, and he deserves to be the highest pay. It's the right decision for him to stay at Bayern and all people are saying, "Come back and beat sheer as record," which will be great, with Alan Sheer as a phenomenal goal scorer as well. But why would you change when everything's just working so well for you? You're playing really well for Bayern, you're getting coached really well, you're playing in a fantastic team that has built around you, just why you change when you're a regular, why you change. And hopefully we see the benefits of that in the England shift the next few years at least. There's England Croatia again, it feels like days are over. It's a game we've seen to play Croatia more times than we used to play Chelsea in the Champions League. It's just England we Croatia all the time. Seven-0 in the last game, I think it will be really straightforward again. The game I'm looking forward to is England to be Spain, because I want us to see, is the any improvements from the World Cup going against someone you're going to be competing against in the next year or also in the next World Cup? Have we got enough to go and match them and go told to told them? I wanted to touch that one, Lokomodric, still playing at 41, the Croatia national size. One of the best players I've played against, one of the players I've watched them thought, what I love to play with you, really clever, get anywhere in the pitch, serial winner. I think, like Harry Kane, where he'd done fantastic for Tottenham, and I don't want to disrespect Tottenham, because we've got a lot of respect for the club and the fans there, but I just think the move came at the right time to jump to one of them elite teams in the world. He went to Madrid and he just went from strength to strength, more consistent, playing with better players. And he delivered from the respectable, but still be around the Croatian team, it's great and admirable, but at the same time it tells me that the Croatia squad is in transition and he probably have to keep the old edge around because they're not getting the production of the players like they used to in the other generation. Still playing at 41, how old were you when you retired? 36. Well England or full time. Full time. England 34. And 34, but that was to try and prolong me club career to try and have breasts when the national breaks combo. I just don't think Croatia can afford to leave them out, they still count on them because I don't think the production of the level of play they did in the previous generation. Yep, I agree. All right, and on that note, we look forward to watching hopefully England bring Croatia once again. Pressures on, no, no. It isn't it, just. I think we'll be fine. By some score line. Thanks for today. You're welcome. Another fun one in the back. And done done.