2934: GLP-1 Drugs Are Killing People — Here Is What Nobody Is Telling You

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Head on over to mindpumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. GLP peptides, GLP-1s. Never has a medical intervention been as powerful for helping people lose weight as now. But here's the problem. They're also potentially killing people. I'm not being extreme here. There are some bad things that are happening and we're looking down the road and you guys, GLPs are not the panacea. That you think. We're going to talk about that today. GLPs, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Oh my God. Did somebody die recently? No, but I just thought I'd open with that to get everybody's attention. That was a little extreme. Got us all paying attention now. So yeah, I mean, like I said, when it comes to medical interventions for obesity, there's never been anything even close to as powerful as GLPs. So GLPs are semaglutide, triseptide, brand names, Ozempic, Wigovi. And then, you know, Ritatrutide, which is still not FDA approved, but it's kind of, you know, on the horizon. Nothing comes close. I mean, in the past they had, you know, Fen-Phen and other weight loss type drugs that were stimulant based. And they had some effects, lots of negative side effects, but they were not nearly as effective as these. You know, people in the studies will go on a GLP and lose, you know, 10, 15% of the body weight, like consistently across the board. Some people even more. So they're super, super powerful. But like anything that has that much of an effect on something that so many people seem to struggle with, what comes along with that is potential abuse and people are ignoring, or at least they're not addressing some of the potential negative effects that can come from GLP use. And that's what I think we need to talk about because I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to see more people in my friend groups and my circles that are using GLPs that I'm like, why are you using this? Yeah. I think that's the biggest issue I have right now is really just, you know, there's, there's people taking them that I just don't feel like it's appropriate for them to take it. And then I don't feel like, like that message is really being promoted much. It's, it seems like there's no caution and, um, you know, your average person, if you talk to them about it, they think that it's just, you know, they're just going to lose some weight, some body, fat, and you know, why not just add that into my training and diet? Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And you know what, what, uh, there was this recent meme that I saw, it's really going viral and it was a Hollywood actresses. There was a lot of them. There was like a whole list. It was like 10 of them on how they used to look and how they look now. And none of them were like a super overweight before they were all within a healthy body weight, you know, body fat percentage. But now, and the speculation is on GLPs. Uh, now they look, you know, like they're like, oh, I'm going to lose weight. I'm going to lose weight. I'm going to be emaciated. Uh, they look, um, like they're not doing so well. And the speculation is that they're using GLPs, uh, to really restrict their food intake. Um, so this is kind of becoming a conversation now. I do want to say, I think use properly, they can be very valuable tools. Well, it's, it's, it's super interesting when you think about this has been around for 20 something years. GLP joke. Yeah, they have. And so, uh, it's so wild how there's something that is, that is literally that old and been, been used, uh, for that long, how crazy popular and how much you can dominate the conversation now, uh, on all fitness pages. And now it's reaching like, and I, and I've been saying this for a while now, it sounds like you're starting to notice it too in my circle of friends and family that, uh, we just don't, they never talked about fitness or anything like that before. And so, but yet now they're talking about GLP ones, which is, crazy. Cause it just shows you how fast it is spreading yet. It's been around for so long. And it's really just been recently marketed to everybody. And, you know, it's been a, it's been in a diabetic, um, uh, strategy for a very long time with clients that are, you know, and morbidly obese, like they've used tools like this. And for that reason, I think it's a very incredible, powerful tool. And, you know, what's happening though, right now, is I, it's not even, uh, close way more people who I think shouldn't use it are using it the other way around. Yep. So I, I, I find myself rarely ever having to suggest it to somebody because they've already heard about it or have taken it. Um, more often than not questioning somebody like you only really need to shred down, you say 10 or 15 pounds. Like, why would you use something like this or somebody? And, and what worries me the most that I, that we get callers like this and that I've seen a lot of is somebody who's fallen out of shape, say they've lost or they've gained 20 or 30 pounds of body fat, but, and, but they haven't been working out for the last year or two years or three years. And they want to start off by taking this GLP-1 because they had some friend who lost 40 pounds of fat and they, and, and so they think of this as like, and so it's a terrible strategy, especially for somebody in that case who, because if you, if you've built a lot of muscle, prior to using it, you have some, you have a buffer. Uh, you can afford to lose 10 or 15 pounds of muscle, but most people, the average American cannot afford to lose 10 to 15 pounds of muscle. Most of them are under muscled. Right. So that's the part that makes this really kind of scary or alarming. Yeah. Yeah. Where, where do we end up? I mean, it really does feel like we're just trading one problem for another. Yeah, no, great way to put it. I think let's talk first about who they're for, uh, because for the right reasons, these are, um, medical miracles. So this is as close as you can get with, uh, with a pharmaceutical, right. Um, is that they are very effective for the right kind of people who are the right kind of people. Well, diabetics, that's what it was originally prescribed for, but also for people who struggle with severe obesity and who have for a long time, these are people who have, uh, you know, they've tried losing it. They've gained it back. Um, it's, uh, they have a relationship with food. That's very difficult to get around. Um, that has caused a lot of issues, uh, obese with their obesity and related issues like blood pressure and diabetes and so on. And so these people have a substantial amount of weight to lose who've tried and just have struggled. Um, and this can really help make the difference. It really can. And it can help them. It can help them. So that's, those are the people who have, this is kind of for, now here's who they're not for. Here's who GLPs are not for. They're not for people who are looking to lose, you know, 10, 15 pounds. Uh, they are not for people, um, who are trying to use these, uh, as a way to gain more control or to fuel or feed a dysfunctional eating pattern. And, and, and there's people that are doing this. There are people that I know who have struggled with eating disorders, uh, in the direction of anorexia who love GLPs because it allows them to restrict for longer periods of time and allows them to continue to move in that direction. We've had live callers. Yeah. We've had live callers like this that are by no means overweight really. I mean, they literally, I mean, this, this is the example that I'm talking about that, you know, they, they might want to lose five or 10 pounds like, and, and they're wanting to use a tool like that. And are used to under eating and now they've created this drug. that helps somebody who likes to undereat like that? This is my speculation on the people in Hollywood that were suddenly noticing all these actresses went from thin anyway to emaciated. My speculation, because I don't know, so I'm 100% speculating. But here's what I think. First off, being in the limelight, like being an actress, puts a lot of pressure on your appearance, obviously. Okay, so eating disorders in certain fields are much higher, like fashion model, being in media, being like a dancer where you're getting ridiculed for how you look. There's always a higher rate of eating disorders. And so I think that these actresses are using GLPs as a way to fuel that sense of control that they get over restricting themselves. So they were already restricting themselves, but you've got those natural hunger signals that you've got to kind of battle. Now they can eliminate it completely. They're like, oh my God, I can eat 500 calories a day. Yeah. And it's not an issue. That's my speculation. I think that's what's happening. I think they're taking their issue and they're adding fuel to it and saying, yes, I can now really restrict without having to fight these hunger pangs. Yeah. So here's the other thing that we got to keep in mind of. It's not for people who are going to get this on the gray market. And I'm going to say this straight up. Most of the people, if not all the people, in fact, I'm trying to think right now. I think all the people that I know who are not what I would consider, a candidate for GLPs who are using GLPs got on the gray market. They did not go through the way that you're supposed to, which is through a doctor. They're not going through a compound pharmacy that's FDA regulated. They're buying their stuff under the category of research chemical. In fact, when we have callers call in and they're telling us that they started using a GLP and they want to lose 15 pounds, it's almost always what I ask them. Where'd you get it? And you can see them be like, oh, you know. Oh, I mean, anybody who's already talking about red atruthide is, for sure doing that. Yeah, because it's not FDA approved. Yeah, and that's actually what I hear most of the people that are already on. So you're already using something that has not even been approved by the FDA yet. And you're getting it through research chemicals, which, I mean, I remember when we had Phil on the show, I forgot what he said, what percentage of those were off. But I know their team tested and it's like the amount is a lot. It's enough to be like, you were literally rolling the dice on, are you getting what you say? You were getting. It's called gray market because it's sold legally as a research chemical, but it's really a black market for human consumption. In fact, it says it on their websites and bottles, not for human consumption, so they cover themselves. And you're playing a really risky game. First off, maybe there is a GLP in there, but the dosing is off. I've actually read about cases where people thought they were taking the right dose, but the bottle was overdosed because there was no quality control. And then of course, underdosed or some random weird thing in there or contaminated. So I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. The other people this is not for are people who are already frail. So if you're overweight, but you're also weak and you know you're weak, like you know you have weakness, you know you have mobility issues. I would not take something that dramatically lowers my appetite. It's going to exacerbate all of those underlying problems. It's going to exacerbate. Here's what the data shows. These are all the studies. They have studies on this. So this is not just off of experience. You know, 30% of the weight you're going to lose is going to come from muscle. 30%. So, you know, do the math. You lose 10 pounds, three pounds comes from muscle. You lose 30 pounds, nine pounds comes from muscle. So you're going to lose a significant percentage of your weight is going to come from muscle. Now, I do want to be clear. GLPs don't have a muscle loss mechanism. So the GLPs are not telling your body to lose muscle. It's not a direct way that it's saying, lose muscle. But what happens when you dramatically reduce your food intake, which is what happens on a GLP because it really does control or take away your appetite, is that your body, one of the ways it tries to adapt with this reduced caloric intake is by reducing its metabolic output and muscle is very metabolically active. So it's just an adaptation that happens, which by the way, if you were not on a GLP-1 and you suddenly dropped your calories significantly, this would happen to you as well. You just lose a bunch of muscle. And so if you're already frail and you're not going to do anything to combat that, and you're going to a GLP, yeah, you're going to lose weight, but you're going to get weaker than you already are. Yeah, it's just so frustrating because like even a lot of good friends that I have that are in decent shape and are getting on GLP-1s, they're using it. It's literally a crash diet. They're not like putting any of these parameters around it. The training-wise, making sure you're getting adequate protein and essential nutrients for one. So you're just putting yourself down in a category that's very unhealthy and then the rebound to that is substantial. And so I just don't feel like that's being promoted enough, that's being talked about enough, that's communicated enough. Yes, it's a powerful new way to approach extreme weight and obesity. However, I just, for your average person, if the issue is discipline, if the issue is like controlling yourself from having cravings and there's a way to work on that that's going to last and be more sustainable than depending on a substance. Now, obviously, somebody who only tunes in to clips or occasionally to the show might seem or feel like our opinion's changing or we're swinging left or right on this, but they still are amazing for the right people. Yep, yep. I mean, I've seen some really cool cases of people that have just struggled. Their whole life with weight gain and have used it judiciously and actually strength trained and hit their protein intake and worked on their behaviors and it's just been life-changing. So there is absolutely a percentage of the population that I think this can be amazing for, but it does seem like there's a lot of the wrong people that are also using it. You're seeing, what you're seeing right now, there's a couple of things and Justin hit the nail on the head with how people are using it as a crash diet. So they're going from eating their diet to now eating a lot less of the same diet and changing nothing else. So by the way, I'm going to say this very clearly, okay? If you just dramatically cut your calories, forget GLPs, if you're listening to this, this is a fact and people hate this fact because in the past it was so hard to do that they actually thought that there was no truth in this. You actually have people who say, calories don't matter. Calories in versus calories out is wrong. You hear people argue that all the time and it is an oversimplification for sure. But to say it doesn't matter is complete. That's false. If you take what you're eating now, dramatically cut it and you could somehow do that consistently, you're going to lose weight. Okay, you will lose weight. One of the things that's also going to happen is your body's going to reduce muscle mass to try to meet the new lower energy intake. And this is one of the reasons why it's so difficult for people is because they do this, they white knuckle it, metabolism slows down along with it, then they bounce back up and the cycle adds more body fat and they result in less muscle and it becomes a more difficult thing. But here's the other thing too that is getting reported. You're getting young women who should not be taking GLPs are simply using them to help them restrict who are getting reports from their doctors that they're now in osteopenia. Muscle loss, you push that, you push frailty, you also lose bone mass. So we're not just talking about like, oh, I can't move my body as well. It's like your bones start to deteriorate. And one thing we don't talk about, we hear all about the obesity epidemic. We hear that all the time. And that's a very clear, obvious one. You can look outside. If you've been alive longer than 30 years, you can tell, you see like, oh my God, people are getting bigger and bigger. So obesity is very clear. Frailty is not as easy to see. It's not as easy, it's not as clear. But if you look at the data on frailty, it's wild. A college aged male today has the grip strength of a 65 year old in 1986. You should look this data up. It's pretty wild. We're getting weak. And so, and we don't talk about this frailty issue enough, but it's a real issue. And so what we're doing, you know, you mentioned this earlier, Adam, is we're potentially solving an overweight problem. Now we're going to contribute more to a frailty issue. So in my opinion, if we don't do this right, we're going to end up with better here, worse over here. Still poor health, still lots of different issues. Now there is a right way to use these. There definitely is a right way. And part of that is number one, being the right person. Right person for it. So you got to ask yourself, am I really the right person? And be honest about that. Go through a doctor. Okay, don't do this. Don't go on the internet and find research chemicals and try to figure this out yourself. That's playing a dangerous game. So be the right person. But number two, you know, if you just cut your calories and do nothing else, 30% of the weight or more that you lose is going to come from muscle. You need to have a strategy to prevent that from happening. You have to. You have to. You absolutely have to. Or you're going to put yourself in a bad position. With just a slower metabolism to begin with. And also, losing muscle feels like crap. And it reduces your health and vitality. So you need to lift weights. You have to lift weights. If you don't lift weights and you're on a GLP, guaranteed you're going to lose a lot of muscle. Guaranteed. Because you just cut your food intake. Number two, you got to get enough protein. And I don't mean the minimum. I mean more than the minimum. Do both those things while on a GLP and you will protect muscle. In fact, I've seen people not lose a single muscle or a single pound of muscle through going on a GLP, starting strength training. So they weren't doing it before, but they started strength training, hitting protein targets, and all that happened to them is they got leaner and they actually kept muscle on their body, which is a great strategy. And then here's the last thing. Work on the behaviors that will last beyond the GLP. Okay, so if I were to ask somebody on a GLP, hey, ideally speaking, would you want to stay on this for the rest of your life or come off of it? 100% of people are going to say, what? I want to come off. Ideally speaking, in a perfect world, I wish I could use it, get to my goal, come off, and I'm going to do great. It's not going to work unless you develop the right behaviors and habits while on the GLP and then take yourself off slowly. Otherwise, the only thing that's working is the dramatically reduced appetite from the GLP. Once that comes back, you go right back to where you were before. We're already seeing this. We're seeing people come off, come back on because they weren't working on the right things while they were on that could last beyond the GLP. So I'm going to add to that, and it might come off a little controversial, but I'd stand by it, that I also think that the right way is you have to have a coach. 100%. I don't think it's already difficult enough to learn about macros and understand the proper balance for you and the discipline and consistency around doing that to know proper training and strength. That is already a complex formula for the average person. Then you throw in a drug that is designed to throw off your body's natural hunger signals. So those signals that would help you with, hey, it's time to feed. I lifted some weights. It's like you're taking something like that because what we've seen too is even people that are strength training and eating some protein. They have a tough time eating enough. They have a tough time eating enough, and what we're watching in young people is bone density issues. And it's simply because it is still too extreme. It's too extreme of a cut. And just because you lift weights does not mean you're going to prevent that muscle loss and bone loss. And so if you're going to invest in this and take something like this, then I also think that you should absolutely have a professional take you through that process to keep an eye on that, to be another pair of eyes that says, hey, this is too low. Yeah, honestly, I look at it so similarly to a therapist. I mean, this is about as close as you get to like, this is behavior. So if I'm going to really get into this, I want to look at this as a way, an opportunity for me to kind of step outside of a behavior I don't really have that great of control over. Now I'm going to get this temporary control over it. I need to work my way through that. A coach is going to guide you through that process. I'm going to paint, for somebody listening right now, I'm going to give you, and of course it's different from person to person, but generally speaking, I'm going to give you the perfect, way to do this. The perfect scenario that not only is going to get you the best possible results, pure fat loss without muscle loss, maybe even a little muscle gain. And I'll explain that in just a second, but also will set you up in the most likely way to be able to come off at some point and never have to really go on again. Okay. And also we'll save you money. I know it sounds like it's too good to be true, but let me just paint, paint the picture for you. So you're the right person. You're listening like, okay, I'm the right person on a GLP. I want to do this the right way. I want to lose body fat and I want to lose a bunch of muscle. I don't want to become more frail. I want a roadmap to be able to come off at some point slowly and to not, to really reduce the risks of me gaining the weight back and having to go through this all over again. I want to do it once and that's it. I don't want to have to do this five times. I don't want to do the yo-yo thing that I've always done, except this time it's a yo-yo with a GLP. Here's what it would look like. This is what it would look like for you. Okay. You're like, okay, I got 80 pounds to lose or 60 pounds to lose. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to hire a good coach and I'm not going to get on a GLP yet. And for the first two months, all I'm going to do is try and get stronger. And what the coach is going to do is do what's called a reverse diet and also help you hit protein targets. They're also going to do good exercise programming. So appropriate programming for your body with strength training will get you stronger consistently over the next 60 days, especially if you're just getting started. If you're just getting started, you can expect to see very consistent, pretty dramatic strength gains over the next 60 days. Now, what this is doing is setting you up for the next phase. Now you're with your coach and you're working with coach. You've done the 60 days of the reverse diet, 60 days of hitting protein, strength training. Now you start the GLP. Now what the coach is going to do is going to walk you through that process. They're going to walk you through that process. A, so you don't have to use too much of the GLP because the coach, a good coach is to say, hey, that's too strong. You're eating way too little. It's going to hurt you. So let's back off on the dose a little bit. But they're also going to coach you through this process of, wow, when I was anxious before, that's when I ate. Wow, when I was depressed before, that's when I ate. So they're going to go, they're going to help modify those behaviors, which by the way, this is the right time to do it. When that hunger signal is low and you're not so driven to eat through different behaviors, like let's say boredom, anxiety, depression, those neural networks, those connections can start to weaken so long as you don't strengthen them like you used to. In other words, when I was depressed, I would always eat. So I'm creating this really strong behavior with depression. I'm solidifying it. But now that I'm on GLP, I don't need to eat when I'm depressed, but I'm still depressed. It's still going to happen. You're still going to get anxious. You're still going to get sad. Let me replace that with other behaviors so I can create a new neural pattern. So now you're with your coach and you're going through the GLP process. And the goal with the coach is they're watching you, they're coaching you, and they're minimizing any muscle loss and maximizing fat loss. Then when you get to a point where you're like, whoa, I think this is about as far as I want to go, like I'm doing great. Then what the coach is going to do is take you through the back off process. The back off process ideally typically looks like a scaling down over time of the dose. And the coach through that process is going to reverse diet you again. They're going to reverse diet you again to build up your metabolism and set you up with a metabolic rate that's higher. So when you're off the GLP, you have more room to live your life. You don't have to eat so little to maintain your weight loss. And that's what that perfect scenario looks like. And that's the most guaranteed way to get you those results. And here's why it saves money. Don't do it that way. And what ends up happening, is you have to stay on a GLP for a long time to the tune of three to 400 bucks a month. And it's probably going to be on and off for as long as you want to try to keep the weight off without doing those things, which can last a lifetime. So that's the perfect way to do it. And we've had a lot of success with people doing it that way. Do it, just take the GLP and see what happens. You're going to have a tough time. You're going to have a really, really tough time with that. Dude, I have to say, I don't think I've ever, it's like 13 years walking in the studio, I've ever been, so impressed with the shoe game. Oh. By everybody. Talking about me? I mean, I'm starting with you. Oh, okay. But I mean, you even got Doug over there rocking his golden gooses. You got you and the Stan Smiths. You got Dylan over in the Stan Smiths. You got Justin over there in the Panda SBs. I mean, this is like the most elevated shoe game I've ever seen in the studio. This is fake, but you know. The knockoff Panda over there. Yeah, the knockoff. Yeah, the barefoot version. They are like that, right? They're the wide toe box ones. Yep. That's what they modeled them after. They modeled them after. That's why I like them, though, because they're fashionable. Because they look like that, for sure. So I got to tell you what happened. Yeah, yeah. You got him hella fast, dude. You got in his head, dude. No. Let's just be honest. No. Adam dropped a little bit of the ball in there. Look, how long have you known me? You guys have known me for a long time. Yeah. Okay, shaming me to do something just doesn't work. I don't care. No, I don't think I shamed you at all. Well, you did make fun of me a lot. It was a lot of making fun. I don't feel like I did. Oh, replay the tape. It was, here's what I probably would have done, and then you were like, oh, hmm. Yeah, you said I had girl shoes, bro. I mean, I don't feel like I attacked you. I feel like I would never have said anything. But you brought it. You were like, hey, dude, what do you think of my shoes? Yeah, huh? And you're like, perfect. No, I didn't go like that. I went, honest. Yeah, those are girl shoes. Let me give you the honest answer. No, let me tell you what happened, what worked. You said something that actually convinced me. You want to know what it was? What? You said something, and it hit me. I was like, he's right. When you need any kind of health advice or supplement advice, you turn to me, and I give you advice, and you take it. You're like, dude, I take your advice. You never take mine. And I sat there, and I'm like, what a jerk. He's like, not you, but me. He's right. I've never asked you what kind of shoes I should wear. I didn't know that. I didn't know how that worked. I'm glad that resonated. So I went home, and I ordered the one shoe you mentioned. But it's so true, because think about it. Obviously, I know a little bit about supplements and nutrition and exercise science, right? At least enough to sit on this show for a little bit. But I respect that you're better at it. You know what I'm saying? And so I could sit and try and figure out myself, or that's the beauty, I think, of we talk all about this stuff with having community and friends. That's part of it, is being vulnerable enough to go, hey, my boy is smarter than I am at this. I can act like I know more. But it's like, why? When I have one of my best friends who I can shoot a text over and be like, yo, tell me this, right? Speed dial. Yeah. So that's great. So I was like, all right, which one did he mention? I had to remember. I'm like, damn. Up your fashion game, homie. I saw Dylan came in. Do you see Dylan's? No. Dylan's got them all right out there. Let me see your shoes. He's wearing the same pair as you guys. Really? Yeah. They're pretty comfortable, too. And they're not expensive, right? No. Yeah, so you don't always have to go crazy over that. By the way, the most expensive shoes in this room right now are not mine. Doug. No. Yes, they are. Really? Doug's? Yes. How expensive are those? Doug's shoes are definitely. They were a gift to me. Oh, God. Look at this guy's. Debris. But they run, you know, $500. $500? For those sneakers right there. Why? Yes, dude. What are they? Golden Goose. But what is that? It's an Italian brand. Oh, I thought they were Converse. I know, the star throws people off. Oh my gosh, $500. They're a Christmas gift. Do they walk for you? They do, actually. You know, I had to call him out. I still want to get those wheelies. I always get all the shit over here. I take all the materialistic Adam bullshit all the time on me. Quietly, my boy over here likes all that stuff and always keeps his mouth shut when I'm getting railed over here. So I'm going to put him on blast today that he's wearing the most expensive shoes in the house. No, that's great. So I'm going to be asking more questions, dude, about stuff like that. They look good. Did you get compliments yet? No, just now. I mean, they look like they just got broken out of the box. They did. I wore them yesterday for the first time. And they're comfortable, right? Yeah. What I love about them, and I think it's such a great style, is you can dress them up and dress them down. Obviously, you're in comfortable sweats right now, but you may have never noticed, because you probably don't care or pay attention to these things, but I wear those with my suit all the time. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, I do think I've seen you before. Yeah, I'll wear those with a suit. That looks great with a black suit right there. All right, all right. Yeah, thank you. All right, I'm going to read to you guys. I looked up some information on acetaldehyde. So acetaldehyde is this compound that your body produces when it metabolizes alcohol. And acetaldehyde is why you tend to feel like crap when you drink alcohol. And your body does a good job of getting rid of acetaldehyde, by the way. So when you drink alcohol, some people do a better job than others. This is why some people can have more than others and feel okay. And this is just alcohol. This isn't like any other fermented… Anything fermented. Well, fermented that has alcohol in it, like fermented fruit or something. Yeah, okay. So this is also why we get reports from our audience, that uses Z-biotics, why it's life-changing for some people than others. That's right. I've always assumed based on… It's got to be worse for some people. Right, like some people just metabolize it better or worse than others. I've always assumed that you and I are probably people that don't metabolize it very well because I'm ultra-sensitive to a drink or two will make me feel terrible. And so that's always made me a not… I mean, admittedly, I enjoy a nice little buzz or having a little glass of wine or here and stuff like that. But the reason why I've never been someone to do that was because I always, Same. Felt terrible. Same. So here's what it does. This is what acetaldehyde does. It can impair protein function, damage cellular structures, trigger immune responses, Jesus. cause DNA mutations. Whoa. The accumulation of it causes nausea, headache, flushing, tachycardia, sweating. That sounds like a hangover. That's how I would feel. Yeah, not a good time. Yep. It's a carcinogen, causes tissue toxicity. So the reason why Z-biotics works so well, which, by the way, somebody stopped me the other day and said, I didn't believe you when you talked about it on the show. And we tried it and it worked so well, we thought it can't possibly be this. We did it again. Like, man, this stuff. What it does is it's a probiotic that's been genetically modified. So it actually went in and changed the bacteria in Z-biotics. So when you drink it, what this bacteria does is it breaks down acetaldehyde. So it actually helps your body clear of acetaldehyde. Now, other, you know, drink supplements or whatever, take this when you drink or before. What they're trying to do is, like, reduce inflammation. You know, they're trying to maybe hydrate you. Not bad, but none of them target acetaldehyde effectively. I don't know. Like, we all have a friend in the space that's an influencer, and she gave me her, like, product she promotes, and I was like. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I was out of Z-biotic, and so I, like, use it, and it was not even close. Like, it just didn't have that, like, effect the next day where you're just, you wake up, and it's like, I didn't even feel like, other than being tired. Yeah. Like, yeah, wouldn't even know the difference. I know. Oh, yeah. I've tried all the, because I know that I'm so, I've tried all the hangover pill and, like, all the other stuff that's out there. It's just like Advil at the end of the day. Yeah, it doesn't, and even though that has some positive properties that are helpful, it's nowhere near the same thing. But, yeah, it's a pre-alcohol drink is what Z-biotics is marketed as. They say, so they tell you that's the protocol is to drink it before you drink, although I will admit that there's been times where I forgot, and then I'm, like, two drinks in, and I still feel the effect. It'll help with the accumulation afterwards. Yeah, yeah. So, like, I know that they, that's the protocol, and ideal is you take it first before you have a drink, but there's been times where it's like, I didn't think I was going to really, and then, or I just grabbed it, and then, like, then I get to it, like, two drinks later, and it still makes a huge difference. All right, I'm going to change subjects. Put it out there. I got to tell you guys a story, dude, that's just, just, bro. It was simultaneously shocking, creepy, maybe a little flattering, maybe. I'm not sure. I'm not going to lie. What? But also creepy. It's a crazy mix. Also creepy, so. Creepy and flattering? Bro, listen to this story. I can't believe people do this or do, I don't know. Anyway, we go to the pool. So, me, Jessica, and the kids are at the pool, and we're hanging out. This is at the gym one, right? Yeah, and I'm not going to say too much. I don't want to mention. She's like, you tell people the gym we go to. I'm like, I'm not going to say anymore, but we went, and we're at the pool. We're all hanging out, and we went in the hot tub. So, Jessica and I are in the hot tub, and then I leave to go play with the kids or whatever. There's other people in the hot tub. So, there's this woman in there, and she looks at my wife. She goes, hey, this is going to, she's like, this is crazy. I know it sounds wild, but I got to tell you this. So, Jessica's like, okay, what's going on? So, me and my husband play this game where we look at people around us. Oh, boy. And we pick out who we would sleep with. So, now Jessica's like, get me out of here. Like, she's like, what's going on here? And she says, and you. I know where this is going. First of all, that's opening conversation. I don't know where people get the. The gall to. Anyway, so they say that. She says that to Jessica. She goes, and you know, I saw your husband, and my husband saw him. And then she prefaces it. My husband's straight, by the way. He's straight. So, already I'm like, uh-oh. And he said, and he, and she goes, I said, is that the guy that you were telling me about? And my husband goes, yeah. And she goes, so, yeah, well, it's your husband. And you know, he's a really handsome guy. And Jessica's like, yeah, thanks. He's a really handsome guy. Then I get in. I get in the jacuzzi. She gives me the look. And I'm like, oh. Let's get out of here. Yeah, dude. And so we get out. And by the way, to make it worse, the woman had her kids in the jacuzzi with her at the same time. Oh, my God. Old enough to understand and hear the conversation. Oh, my God. Really? Yeah, dude. Oh, that's really weird. Yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah. What is happening? What is wrong with people? That's already weird. Even more weird to disclose that right in front of your kids. Dude. My husband picked you out and was like, he'd be good with you. You know what's crazy about that? It must have worked at some point for her to do it again. You know what it is? It's playing the odds thing. That's it. You say it to 10 people. You say it to 10 people like you guys, and two people say yes. That's just it. It's a numbers game, right? I mean, what is the statistics on couples that- Well, it's always the wife, too, because that's like the introduction. Oh, yeah. A dude can't do that. Oh, absolutely not. Oh, hell no. If he was a guy talking to my wife like that, there would have been a fight. That's happened to us before, too. But yeah, it was always the wife that would come up. Always. Is there ever a time when it's not? That would be- That's not a winning strategy. So if you're a swinger and you send the husband in, you're a terrible strategy. Chef, bro. Yeah, yeah. That can't happen. That can't possibly- I'm privy to the whole pineapple thing, too, so don't try and- What is that? I don't know. Dude, it's just like a signal. It's like, hey, I'm a swinger. Here's a pineapple. Don't you guys remember when- I'm so mad I didn't do it to you guys. In fact, I think I had- I don't know who was working for us at that time. I had got all the loofahs. Loofahs on your car and your door all mean different- Different color loofahs stand for different things. Are you just swinging or do you cross husband and husband? I didn't know loofah was a thing. Yeah, yeah. Look up loofah codes in swingers. I told you guys about that. And I was going to prank you guys by putting them on your cars. And so- There you go, right there. Right there. Read what all the colors mean. Let's see what this- Yeah, let me pull it up here. I've never even seen a loofah on someone's car. Oh, you haven't? Okay, yeah. I'm just trying to make it bigger so I can read it. You, hey, actually, now that I'm telling you this- Okay, listen. Now that I'm telling you this, you will see it. Oh, man. I've never seen it before until I- Really? Because you know why? Yeah. You wouldn't think to look for a loofah on a car? So funny, when I was searching here, you know what ad popped up? What? Michael Kors. Stop. Stop. Still trying to get you. Stop. That's why? That's why we got to- All right, all right. Here are the loofahs, all right? White is for novices and beginners. Purple, voyeur and people who like to watch. Great. Pink. Soft swap. People who like to do it with others in the room. Yellow, mild level, mid-level swap for those who want to have fun but are still nervous. Black, full swap, those who say, what the hell? Let it go down. And then teal is for the bisexuals. So there you go. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Bro, if I see that on a car now- Oh, you will. Because I didn't know about it. I don't even remember who told me about it or how I first heard about it. And then I'm like, what? I looked it up, confirmed it, just like Doug did. And then I swear, it wasn't even that much longer after that, I caught a loofah on a car and I was like- So you were going to prank us by putting it on our car? Yeah, so I was going to put it on your car. Thanks, Adam. What color were you going to use? It's not good for you to eat teal. Yeah, we stayed at an Airbnb. You had a bunch of pineapple decorations everywhere. And I was just like, why are they so obsessed with pineapples? Upside down ones, apparently. Yeah, upside down ones. Yeah, it just was everywhere. And I'm like, oh. That's also the code for Swinger, right? Is that what it is? Pineapple. Yeah, upside down pineapple, right? Yeah, yeah. Why pineapple? What's the history? Yeah, so you look at the car. So show that. that car because this is how you'll see it when you see it on the cars oh yeah yeah you had it go back okay you had it on the yeah i see right here yeah you'll see like someone will tie it up on the thing like that or it'll be around the antenna or something like that you'll see it just like that dude isn't that crazy we got to come up with a code for like power lifter crossfitter dude remember that you guys remember that house that we rented uh years ago i remember we were creating a program in la it was like nine years it was in la it was in the valley it was in san fernando valley oh yeah and i think we're trying to save money still had like traces of weed and stuff on the counter and we left remember we left we yeah dude they were filming something obviously there yeah yeah we took off big cables that were in the walls and everything super creepy yeah a lot of locked doors there yeah we were like what's behind here yeah no i'm gonna get yeah i am out of here all right did you see adam i'm wondering if you saw the video did you see the new income brackets the federal i did did you go did you go through them yeah i did i did so it's wild so these are the new it's like wild what it's like i mean to be considered like uh just uh upper class now it's like the 200s and and it gets wild so so this is income so you can have wealth and income so there's two categories wealth includes like if you own property this is income okay so it's a federal income brackets and again this is different from place to place obviously we live in silicon valley it's gonna be like quadruple all of this but here's what it is poverty poverty is making uh less than fifteen thousand nine hundred dollars a year this is for family of four so family for poverty near poverty is between uh sixteen thousand and thirty one thousand lower income is above that to fifty five thousand lower middle class is above that to eighty three thousand middle class is above that to one hundred and twenty five thousand upper middle class is above that to one sixty seven and upper income is above a hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars a year for family four oh it was two to fifty i thought it was that was so this is these are the new income brackets for um which you know it's wild about this middle class now for family four in the whole u.s is around six figures which that changed quite a bit it changed well that used to be upper class six figures was like i remember that was growing up that was like oh my god that was the goal oh yeah could you make six figures yeah now where we live in the bay area it's got to be way different oh yeah like you said so i've also seen a stat on that like the the uh just to own a home in the bay area they just to own a home in the bay area they say that you need to have a combined uh income of 250 or 260 in the bay area yeah that still seems low well that's just to afford a home that isn't like any home a town home like anything yeah that's like to be able to afford a home that's in the bay area i saw that you just pull it up yeah so 296 wow bay area lower middle class is around 100 000 for a household per household yeah so if you're supporting a family of four middle class is 98 to 296 with cities like san jose and san francisco recording median household incomes around 140 to 148 so that's the median which is crazy what's the top one percent right there top five percent of earners top five percent of earners is 500 okay annually top one percent earners is that still bay area or just total uh this is bay area so bay area top one percent earners are generally 800 to a million plus annually yeah and then true wealth in the bay area heavily tied to real estate net worth the top three percent of californians have net worth exceeding 8.7 million a lot of people in the bay area if you don't live here it sounds wild but a lot of people in the bay area have a net worth in the millions but it's not because they're wealthy it's because they bought a home 10 or more years 30 years ago yeah like my parents my parents bought their home a long time ago and let me tell you my parents are not wealthy okay at all uh not even close uh but their home is worth two million dollars so that's now they're well that's this is this is the greatest uh or not the greatest but this is one of the greatest challenges that um the uh young people growing coming up right now have in in an area like this is that it's it's gone so far i mean listen your your starter home now in the bay area is a million dollars yeah 25 percent down on that is a quarter million dollars yeah 25 percent down on that is a quarter million dollars yeah 25 percent down on that is a quarter million dollars the amount of money you have to make to save that to pay off your student loans to pay for your rent to pay for your car to also save enough to do a quarter month is insane i mean that you're talking about years and years and years and years of consistently living well below your means to in order to do that or finding a way to make more income or partnering up or marrying somebody who has an equal size of an income or more moved to fresno bakersfield yeah the bay area might not be beef you yeah i don't understand that's what my my my so my true my best friend uh him and i when i got my place when i was 21 we lived together for five five years all the way through when he finishes his schooling got a good good job making six figures in the bay area um as a pta and then uh he when he was settling down with his girl who's who's married to now and been having to have two kids he and she is a nurse in the bay area so making good money but both of them were like if we want to build a family and stuff like that with these like it's gonna take us forever yeah to grow here and so and they both had a profession that you could go to the central valley yeah and make relatively similar income you they took a little bit of a but not as much to what the housing was of course they were able to go buy a really nice you know 3 600 square foot four or five bedroom 2.5 million oh yeah yeah over there for there's pockets of california like that in the central valley yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's again it's less desirable so i get it but i i too i know some people that actually like commuted from los banos to get into you know work here in the bay area and then they like commute like hours every day home but um you know that's one way they can at least like start building well my my buddy's at uh he's a doctor and we were talking about this he's like man if my daughter goes to school and goes to medical school and does residency and graduates she'll be making uh you here after all that schooling yeah after uh medical school after residency with a huge amount of debt he's like she won't be able to live here yeah well this is my nephew right now who i spent the last weekend with um he's he's going to medical school he wants to be a doctor um and he wants to be the uh the radiologist uh the one who's oversees the technicians okay i don't know the i think it's a radio he's got to go through medical school everything just like a normal doctor but you know you're talking like eight years of schooling and yes they come out the gates i think they start starting wages like 300k or something like that a year which sounds yeah like so much when you're a kid who's who's gone from nothing to that is and it is a lot of money but if you've got you know a couple hundred thousand dollars at least in school in debt in school debt um and then you also have to rent in the bay area to start off right and you're not finding a a modest condo or studio in the bay area you're spending twenty a month well plus a car you even have people in tech you got people in tech and tech is very can be very high paying but you got people in tech who are like four or five people in one house and they're all making yeah now here's what's interesting you and i have text conversations back and forth a little bit when we talk about economics and future and all the stuff at that real estate stuff like um i have a theory because a lot of people are like predicting this crash that's coming and i think we're already we're already in a mild recession we've been in one for the last two or two three years and we're already in a mild recession we've been in one for the last two or two three years now uh of like a pullback on real estate and stuff like that so i already think we've we've been in this i don't think we're gonna see a crash i think we're in amidst changing times i think that the future is not everybody owns a home it's becomes a i agree it's a luxury and there here's some of the signals beside that like we just assume that that everybody gets to do that like we've just that's part of it was part of the american dream right and we've been doing away from that and we've dramatically and what what policies have taken that dream and then also look at look at the behaviors of the younger generation with uh owning stuff uber everything's rented like i was telling sal this i don't know if you guys know this you guys know that there's companies that rent purses i i was hanging out with someone and luxury watches and she she and it's it's totally understandable of course they do well think about think about how smart this is i think she paid i want to say it's like 250 a month 250 bucks a month or something like that is her monthly fee or whatever but she gets up to a five or seven thousand dollar purse budget every single week i think they'll send her a different one she i want and so and then and as a female who likes those purses how often do you wear one when you go out to dinner or a party thing so it's probably only once a week maybe you want a different purse this is like some monthly subscription yes and then it's and then she can trade out rotates out and so she's always got a new fashionable they lose it then they end up in shirt it's insured i'm sure you have a yeah i'm sure there's an insurance policy in it and stuff like that and you probably have a smart it's a changing it's a changing economy part of the reason for they do it for uh rolex watches for 250 a night you can rent a you know a twenty thousand dollar rolex watch that you can wear like so so here's so what happened was it was part of the american dream part of the american dream was you buy a house you pay it off uh and and what happened was so many people tied up their wealth and retirement in that uh that it continued to drive the prices up and then it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like And the policy was to never allow housing prices to drop because As a politician, now that you have so many people whose wealth and stability is in their homes, that if we allow that to correct, it's going to be really bad. So what they keep doing is promoting more policies and ways to continue to pump up the housing market. Try to sell the opportunity. The result of which is exactly, Adam, what you're saying, is that the future is not owning. The future is you rent everything. You don't own anything. Yeah. And I think that was in the World Economic Forum. Yeah, I know. I think they said eerily similar to their message. And we're just moving in that direction. And we always want to pull back to these things that has happened in the past. And so, oh, this is going to happen because that happened before. And it's such a fallacy. That's not how it works. In fact, the things that impact our economy are things that we never predict. COVID. When you think about the ramifications of COVID economically, legislation-wise. Yeah, of course. And no economist could have predicted that. Yet that had the largest impact. Through a huge wrench and everything. So this idea of like, oh, this is the typical trend in the stock market and the housing market is this, and therefore it's going to do this. It's like, that's such a fallacy to believe that. It's like, because there's other factors that always play a role. And one of the biggest factors I think right now and what does the housing and the economy look like in the future is that we're moving away from this caring to own stuff like that. We're borrowing and renting and Ubering and Airbnb-ing. We don't, like, it's just moving in that direction. Now that, me saying that doesn't mean there's not value in being somebody who owns those things. I think if you can accumulate enough wealth and savings and invest in those things, I think that positions you very well. But I absolutely think that a vast majority of people in the future will not, care to own any of that stuff. I think so. And along those lines, there was a large general social survey as reported in the Social Leap in 2018. And they were looking at what things impact people's happiness the most. Here's one of the shocking findings. What's not shocking for, I think for us, but I think for a lot of people that were shocked. Poor Americans, so people who qualify as poor in the income bracket, who attend church regularly, are happier than wealthy Americans who never go. So 36% of poor Americans who go to church regularly are happy, very happy. Not just happy, but very happy. 26% of wealthy Americans who never go are very happy. So good, kind of a good way to kind of, you know, segue into the conversation because we're talking about money. And I know if you really boil down, like why do you want money? Why do you want more money? Would you get it down to like the fundamental thing? People say, well, besides the basics, it's like, well, it makes me happy. Basic needs, but then what? Yeah, it makes me happy. And it's like the data shows it's not a great way to be happy, especially in comparison to other things like community and church. How interesting is that? It's a tool for trading time. Yeah. That's all it really is. If you give up time to go work and earn it, then turn around and spend it on things that either take up your time or give you time back. That's all it is. Or give you autonomy. And when you, when you, when you, you constantly are working to buy materialistic things that don't buy back time. It's like, that's an, that's an endless chase. And so, and, and you'll eventually figure out that like, oh, wow, that's not as, and you'll, it's not as valuable as I thought, or you'll get trapped in the rat race of more, more, more, more, more. Totally. Right. It's just like, oh, it's not, it's because that car's not big enough for more expensive. So I needed this or that house. So that thing, that thing. And so you just keep going that way. But I mean, the most valuable thing that you can do is to, to buy back. Your time and to place it in the things that do add true value. Along those lines, there's a research, a pub, a, some research that was just published on the, and it was a massive demographic model analyzing 236 countries since 1950. And they're talking about global fertility or how little kids people are having. And so here's what they found a 60,000 year first. So this hasn't happened in modern human history, not during world wars, not during global pandemics, not ever, that global fertility has fallen below the replacement rate. A widespread collapse out of 236 countries. 219 are actively in negative fertility trends. Does it matter if the country's rich, poor, whatever the birth rates are crashing everywhere. The only reason global population is growing right now is called population momentum that older generations are still alive in roughly 30 years, the global population will peak and then plunge. And here's the crazy part. Policies are doing. Nothing so far. No government intervention, tax credits, extended leave, whatever has successfully reversed this trend. So this is an aging world. So people are living longer, but we're not having kids having new babies. The only possible solution to this is a calamity. Like this goes, this goes, continues this way, which is going to, you said 30 years, 30 years. We're going to see a huge collapse. I, so, okay. Then you, you have to ask yourself, where do you sit on the. The biohacking longevity side, because part of why we haven't seen this big fall off is to the exact point you made that we're living longer. Do you believe with science and technology that we're going to prolong that even more? I do, I do. But the, the, but what about the fact that we're going to have more old people than, than young people, more people who aren't working, then there are people who are working, which is a economic disaster, the only positive solution. And I can see our, and it's going to sound funny, but robots. Yeah. Well, you hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on though, to challenge, to push back and challenge that too. Uh, how, how many decades now are we in a row of people extending the age that they're working? The age of the average person work retirement age has increased over the last few decades and it's continually increased. Yeah. So can you look at the average age of retirement, uh, today versus 30 years ago? Cause I'd like to see what that is. Yeah. And so it sounds so crazy, but if we're living to a hundred, a hundred, 10, 120, it's not so weird that we work till 70 or 80 now. And I mean, all of us have said that, like, I could totally do this till 70 or 80. Like I wouldn't be mad at that. And so maybe that's also, maybe that's also going to shift and change. It's not, we're not going to remain the same retirement age while also, so it's only gone up about three years. So 65 today versus a 20, a 30 years ago, 62. So it is kind of going up, but here's the problem. Like, uh, you're gonna have a lot of people retiring with wealth. They did a good job. So they're just not going to work. We need people to, to work. We need people to innovate, to make things, to support and build society. But that's why I said robots. I was going to say, oh, then you also have that factor. Cause if you, if you dramatically increase the productivity of one worker by, you know, a hundred fold because of AI and robots, and that could definitely solve then, you know, order 66, you know, what are we going to do about that? Wait, wait, what's that? So we get promoted this idea that like robots are going to do all these things in your house. We're going to take over this, but you know, maybe back engineered in there is. A switch. I still have a hard time. I know, I know that we're, we have this ongoing debate about the robot and dishes and stuff like that. And it, and maybe this is just my, my monkey brain. I can't see it or whatever. Like, but I just have a hard time picturing this robot walking around my house all day, like doing shit, like in doing it efficiently enough to where I don't have to do it like, um, you know, I. I already, I already get frustrated with my wife, the way she loads the dishwasher. Like what am I, I'm assuming my AI is going to do it or my, my robot AI. You've been to some of those tech conferences, right? Like, uh, I've been to, and so you see videos and it's all like, that's the thing. I'm kind of in, in your camp because it's a lot of it is silver hyped. Cause like when I see them actually move in person, bro, it is weak. It is way weak, very still, just very like not smooth. And, and. Well, you guys don't think they're going to solve that though. Of course it'll get better. Yeah. But how long will that, okay. Uh, again, and I know you're not a big cooker in the kitchen. I know you are. So you will probably appreciate this a little bit more, Doug, but like when I'm in the kitchen and I'm preparing dinner, I'm literally doing so many things. I'm like cleaning over here. I'm grilling over there. I'm like, and so I just can't imagine this thing being in there and doing all those things so efficiently, seamlessly at the same time. And again, maybe it's my monkey brain just can't found them. I could see it breaking up all four of those jobs that I'm doing at once. And it taking eight hours in my kitchen that I'm going to have this thing. Can you look up, uh, so Roomba's having like chips in them and like cameras spy on us. Yeah, dude. Because if that happens in a fricking Roomba, this is why I bring that up. Like you're going to have a, a fully mobile, you know, that's what's going on. Robot. That's like the one they're already in homes and they're being constrained by or being controlled by people over in the. Philippines. Somebody is literally, I know already walking around in the movements forum and it, yeah, it's silly to me. It's a, uh, there are no spy chips according to this. Anyway, well, I mean, you Googled it as spy chips, but what they have proven, Justin, and I have seen it is that they, they use, and this is what they, how they, you know, quote unquote is, is there, they track, they track the, the housing square footage and all the areas, surface area. And so it's definitely picking up data. It's not like it's not. yeah i think but i mean look the way these things move yeah but i think they'll figure it out dude i think they'll figure it out they're gonna keep getting better but they better get better you guys with population collapse we need them we're gonna need robots people need to have more kids nobody's doing it yeah so we're gonna need well i mean that's robot caretakers so to me that's the the optimistic size that's why when you say like a 30-year horizon on this like i don't i don't like crazy to think how different with moore's law 30 years is gonna be like none of us in here we can't even fathom like we can't so like it's already weird to worry about things like population collapse and i know that those become talking points and some of that is just like oh you don't want how many things we're going to innovate change and be different you know what this reminds me of that's really wild it's one of the greatest lies that people were sold there was a book in 1970 something called population bomb maybe you could find it doug for me and it was this scientist who made the case that we're going to run out of food we're going to run out of oil right we're done and his prediction was like i don't remember what year it was 1968 was a book and i guess i think by 1990 we were supposed to be like starving right but what he doesn't calculate for what he never calculated for was that uh that we get better at producing things and we get better at uh at getting resources we have more oil available to us now because of technology than we did in 1970 even though we're using way more of it we have more available today that's that wild we make more food and produce more food and feed more people today by far than we did back in 1968 so it was such a lie and a lot of people still believe this lie like we can't have more people we keep having more people that's not good for the you know the earth as if the earth is this like this being or whatever but that's not true actually more people it's better it's better you got more innovation and we're in efficiency on how we're like we went through this period of time too where and i know there's the the climate change people that are screaming on the other side it's like what we're doing damage wise today versus what we were in the 70s and 80s like we're continuing to improve on the the carbon footprint side and we're doing things like that that are in the positive direction environmentally concerned i would say now uh as a result which is a positive thing but it's like yeah look at that if we actually look at the actual data like it's well not to get too controversial but uh who was i talking to somebody i was talking to somebody he's like one of my younger cousins uh it might have been my niece actually and we're talking about like the earth and how the earth would be so much better if there were no humans on earth and i said who would enjoy the earth she's like uh well you know but the earth would be better i said you know you have to number one as humans we have to put ourselves at the top which we are that doesn't mean we're not good stewards of our resources and we don't treat animals uh well and all that stuff that doesn't mean that but uh who cares if we all disappear and the earth is flourishing if there's no people that's a weird way to look at it which is wild it's if there are people like that they're like anti-human they look as a virus as a virus it's a very twisted dark mentality that is very nihilistic like you look at other people like oh you're bad it's like i mean a lot okay so and i've i've been watching uh this new uh series it's just like um um uh what's the tiger king but it's with lizards and it's with reptiles and it's wild right and and you know and in a lot of these people are really wild people like you know very like criminals and you know there's some some decorated colorful pasts uh but a lot of it like they're more comfortable with animals and their whole thing is because they've been hurt they've been damaged they've had trauma like and it's all like you know some childhood thing but it's like oh but animals would never do that to me and like they're always friendly and yeah yeah until they like rip your face off but you know right now like that's what they're that's their um framing and that's their perspective is that a common thing that um people that had like childhood trauma so that are drawn to animals is that like a is that a common thing i think so in certain cases yeah i think have you ever have you guys ever heard this i think yeah if you really break this down it's really dark and twisted uh i know people i know a lot of people in fact i'm gonna say this and people are gonna resonate it's gonna resonate with a lot of people they can handle a person getting killed in a movie no problem but if a dog yeah or an animal dies oh my god i can't watch that movie yeah isn't that crazy where we that's why that john wick thing resonated so much with people they killed his dog then you just went like craig killed like thousands of people they're like cheering them you know wait a minute interesting yes people with childhood trauma are often drawn to animals this connection provides a deep sense of emotional safety and trust that human relationship might lack interesting yeah that it makes sense i have examples i wonder if the type of animal that owns are is there a way to predict trauma by the sure that's why dogs are known as uh um what you call it security dog they are they are but but i think it's because i'm sure their loyalty their demeanor but what i mean by that for morphizing of like like lizards are like cold and dark so that's what so as i say soulless in my opinion everybody likes dogs everybody so many dogs are owned but is there a particular type of animal that if they own these animals you get there's odds that they've had some bad trauma or much higher like is it spiders is it like lizards is it snakes i'm guessing i've not heard of lizards yeah that'd be interesting but i don't know if there's any data he got wrote you how'd you would you how'd you google it uh yeah can you predict trauma by the type of animal someone has how about this are people he did look he got it dogs are people that are seeking social connection yeah but look at cats yeah introversion and sensitivity trauma and stress birds reptiles and exotics unconventionally trauma and stress mechanism to manage daily okay that's all yeah so i so i'm gonna guess i don't know if this data exists but i think when people own a lot of like reptiles and spiders and stuff i would imagine there's probably a higher push people away i am totally guessing i am totally i got no problem people on those things but it's just a guess just a total guess what's the guess the guess is that if you own like like tarantulas and snakes you might have a higher chance of uh you had gone through some serious trauma oh i don't think i don't believe that i think no different than an animal i think it's less like that i think that stuff is probably connected to some probably a positive experience right somebody's probably connected to some who was comfortable playing with bugs when they were little or they had a parent that was into it and so they are i would think that's more related i mean that's all their parents would never let them have it and then they always longed for it which i don't know maybe i'm saying this because i can't i never own one of those yeah you never have a i don't actually mind that seems so weird i don't mind lizards i like them but it's like not you know having them as a pet it's just like what yeah no i've known i've known people who that like those things that i know that aren't like that but uh the the one that is interesting to me is that that there is just a connection there that people that have had childhood trauma tend to also i think that's more interesting that if you've 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Good, dude. How you doing, bro? Good. It's good to see y'all again. It's been good. So I've been running maps since the last time we talked. I bumped my calories to 26 to 2,800 a day rather than 1,600 that I was doing. Um, I've really been focusing on like progressive overload while I've been there and trying to increase weights every time I'm in doing a functional day. Um, then the mobility has been a huge, huge benefit for me. I've always been somebody that's not flexible whatsoever. So just like having something that forces me to go in there and stretch and like loosen up is a huge benefit. And I've seen drastic changes just in how I feel. And I've been able to do a lot of things I would say, um, easy it is to move around or even do like squats are 10 times easier now that I can move better, obviously. Um, and then my leg situation, it's probably the best it's been since it happened. Good news, dude. Um, I think there's a mental barrier that got broke of, I can't do something when it's just like, push yourself past it. Um, cause it should just started. I just started phase three. So it was like box jumps and the ice skaters and stuff. Um, and those are things that I would have never probably pushed myself to do if it wasn't in this program, because it would have been, I'd been worried about my leg and my ankle messing up, but I haven't had a single problem with it. Nothing at all. So, um, I haven't gained any weight. Um, so I haven't gained any weight. My strength went up every time I was in the gym. So it's been great. And I love the program. It's definitely hard, but yeah, good. So just to recap, uh, Kennedy, uh, you had a huge injury years ago. Uh, yes. And you had issues with stability around that. And then your calories were really low because you were worried about, you know, gaining weight. Um, and then you had a huge injury years ago. Um, and then you had issues with gaining weight essentially, or getting really overweight. And what's happened is you're following a good program, which, uh, you know, definitely plays a role in what you're feeling right now for sure. But the, the bigger impact, uh, and again, they're both very impactful, but the bigger impact is the fact that you went from 1,600 to 26 to 2,800 calories. This is what's making such a massive difference in your strength and mobility is that you eat it. You're eating another thousand calories. Uh, and that's, what's making such a big difference. Then the programming definitely makes a difference. Like I said, but the calories are the big thing. And so if you want to keep moving and what you're noticing is no weight gain on the scale, but you are leaner in email. It says you feel leaner. I do feel like I can see more definition throughout my shoulders and biceps and stuff like that. So what's happened is you've built some muscle and you've lost some body fat. Yep. Now, if you want to build some muscle and you've lost some body fat, you've lost some muscle. So if you want to keep going down this path and I'm going to define the path, more strength, more vitality, moving better, faster metabolism, hormones, better. You want to keep moving down this path, then I can give you some more advice. Yeah, of course. Okay. I want you to bump your calories again. Okay. Yeah. I want you to go up. If you're, if you're between 26 to 28, I want you to go up to three to 32. I was gonna say 28 to three. Yeah. But I want you to be a nice target. Okay. After you're done with maps performance, you can run it again, or you could do map symmetry. Okay. And you're going to keep seeing great results. Yeah. You're going to keep seeing great results doing that. Getting stronger. Every workout, uh, is it's not just good. It's exceptionally good. So, I mean, you're, you're kicking ass, but there's more runway. You're humming right now. The 2,600 calories is still too low. Now it's way more than what you were at, but it's still too low because we're still, we're doing this body comp change thing. When the main goal is let's get you strong, dude, let's get your leg feeling super secure and stable. We can worry about getting down to 10% after we accomplish that, which by the way, is going to be a lot easier because you're gonna have a roaring metabolism. You know, you'll be able to cut, let me put it this way. You'll be able to cut down to 24, 2,500 calories and get down to 10% body fat. Okay. Yeah. That'll be a deficit for you. Yeah. That would be awesome. Yeah. So keep moving down this path and bump them up again, dude. 3,000 is the consistent target after mass performance is done. Symmetry would be the next program to follow. And that's it, bro. You're doing great. Perfect. Thank you all. And I appreciate it all and meeting with y'all again. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to hear how you are after this too. Cause I think this is, I can't wait to hear where you're at after going up to 3,000, 3,200 calories. You're just going to keep building muscle, dude. You've literally unlocked something. And, um, you know, I'd like to ask you this and you kind of touched on this a little bit. Tell me a little bit about the kind of the fear that you overcame with bumping the calories and working out the way you are right now. Like, what does that feel like to you? It gave me a confidence that I haven't had in a long time. Um, I think a big part of the reason I like told you all last time I fell out of love with the gym was like, I did just, I just would go in there and I feel like I had no direction. Like it was the same old, like push, pull legs, same thing every day. And so like doing something like this, it made me realize, like, I am a lot more athletic than I guess I thought I was even after my whole incident. And that brought back a confidence that was like, okay, like push past it, figure it out, be careful doing it, but figure it out. It doesn't define who I am. It doesn't define what my body can do. And, um, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think we can overcome it and make it 10 times better than it was, even though it's a crappy situation. Yeah, dude. I love, yeah. I love that you're leaning into the movement, especially with the mobility. Uh, and that's really just going to keep unlocking new potential for you, man. So it's super exciting what it's going to feel like if it isn't already, cause you're all you're about you're on phase three. So what you're like two months in maybe right. 60 days. Okay. Yeah. It's only two months. Let me just remind you, bro. 60 days. Yeah. Like, how long were you eating? How long were you eating 1600 calories and doing push, pull legs from probably January to when I talked to y'all? Yeah. So this has only been, this has only been two months. Yeah. So what it's going to feel like, cause you're going to feel this if you aren't already in the rest of your life, like you're lifting, like you're, you're, you're, you're taking the blinds off like, Whoa, like you're going to have more energy in the world, uh, better mood, better libido, more confidence and other things because, uh, I had such a profound and by the way, it's not just you, that'll have a profound impact on anybody. You take a man who's active and you force them to eat 1600 calories a day and all of your body systems are down and depressed, all of them. So that's why you're getting stronger all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So bump them again, 3000 be consistent after performance, follow symmetry. You're going to be great, dude. By the way, at the end of symmetry is a bilateral five by five phase, which you'll probably be ready for by the end of performance and symmetry. And when you get there, dude, it's going to be, you're going to be like, Holy cow. All new gains waiting for you right there. That's right. Okay. Perfect. You killed it, dude. Great job. Good job. Great job. Thank you all. I appreciate it. Yeah. You got it, man. Probably you did. Yeah. Reach back out in 60 days. Let us know what's happening. Send us an email. Okay. Sounds good. All right. Later, man. A huge success story. Huge. So rad. Yeah. You know, and by the way, he said something I just want to touch on. He said, uh, I feel more flexible and mobile and I never thought I was a flexible mobile guy. There's two reasons for that. One, he's 60 days into a program that focuses on mobility. The other, and people don't realize this is when you're underfed for a long period of time, uh, your body shuts things down. It restricts movement. It restricts energy. It restricts lots of different things. And when you live to conserve, when you live there for a while, it's like, this is just how I am is what it feels like. And then, you know, you, I, I, I'm a new person is what they would say. That's what he's starting to realize is that he's, he's becoming. a new person really unlocking new potential i mean here's a here's another one of these great stories this is the thing that we constantly like uh increased calories by a thousand calories not gaining weight on the scale that's crazy that doesn't math how does that how does that work yeah come on science guy getting 35 pounds of muscle to boost up that metabolism how does that work uh it's wild you see it over and over and over again that's right our next caller is eric sai from california i'm sorry colorado sorry eric sai what's up man hey how's it going guys how can we help you uh first of all i'm just really excited to be talking to you guys i've been listening to the podcast for six seven years maybe i even went back to catch up on all the episodes and i just love your show i try to share it with every everybody that asked me for any type of fitness advice or anything like that you i always tell them like listen to these guys they know what they're talking about appreciate that brother thank you yeah but basically uh so a little bit about me i'm 27 i've been working out for a while uh the last like three or four years i started a job that's very physical i'm a food service delivery driver so i drive a semi truck go to restaurants deliver their stuff by hand with the dolly uh i usually get 10 to 15 000 steps in a day and i pick up 20 to 25 000 pounds worth of product every day and so uh i had to cut back a lot on my workout volumes but i kept running into lower back pain issues especially this year i've had twice that i've uh injured myself had to take some a few days off work and kind of let it heal uh thankfully there's no actual like uh disc injury or anything like that so i've been working on a lot of it's just like a muscle pull or something like that so my question to you guys was how can i strengthen my lower back as well as uh maybe i don't know if it might be support it yeah while still going to work every day of the week and doing all that heavy lifting and stuff like that without overdoing it in the end erica i'm gonna ask you a couple questions just get some clarity okay yeah uh is it the same kind of weight loss or is it the same kind of weight loss or is it the same kind of back injury each time i think it is because both times i don't know if it was the same side but both times when i got hurt my uh hips shifted to the side and i was like walking sideways for a few days before it like actually got better got it and where do you feel the pain uh it's usually right around the very low back like to the side sometimes even down to like uh my hips kind of okay okay and how did you hurt it what were you doing the first time it was just at work i didn't i don't know exactly when i heard it it started hurting and then kind of got worse and worse throughout the day until i couldn't work anymore okay good uh the second time was with squats at the gym okay okay it sounds like either ql or psoas but it's probably ql this is a quadratus lumborum is the muscle so you can kind of look it up online and see what it is so you kind of know what the action is but essentially it gives you lateral lateral stability stability so when your body bends side to side and then the psoas uh is the muscle that you're working on right now it's a hip flexor muscle that attaches to your leg but it goes through your body and attaches in the lower part of your spine and so sometimes the hip flexor can get pulled because it's trying to stabilize and other muscles aren't doing what they're supposed to and when it does it hurts on the side of the lower back so yeah it sounds like it's one of those two things um what you would want to do essentially is strengthen the supporting areas um and even strengthen those muscles uh themselves so you're probably like okay well what does that look like uh program wise i think a program that will generally address some of that is maps symmetry 15 uh i think that might be good considering your workload and so you're basically just doing a couple exercises a day um and it's it's unilateral which i think would address some of the issues that you might be dealing with yeah i once i got hurt at the gym with squats i switched to doing uh lunges and bulgarian split squats instead and didn't have an issue with it yeah good so i would like to get back to squatting at some point yes of course but we need to we need to work on some of those stability issues before you start to train heavy right yeah yeah once we load it then it kind of leaves you open susceptible if there's uh any instability still so we we got to address that we gotta get strong in that first so you know really take your time with that um and then too like you know hip bridges and things like that really gradually introduce rotation which is something that might you know you got to be real careful with that but that's something too that's like a windmill would be great you know additionally uh down the road to start working on there's two so what i'm going to do is i'm going to send you map symmetry 15 that's your workout which by the way you're going to love you're going to love how you feel and you're going to build muscle do all that stuff uh i'm also going to send you two videos of two exercises that you can practice uh pretty regularly almost every day maybe every other day one video is a windmill and i think that's just a great mobility movement to do before you go to work so like before you start your day you do like five reps on each side something like that maybe do it halfway through the day also do a couple and then i'm going to send you something uh the title of that video is um hip flexor deactivating oh yeah crunches or hip flexor deactivators and so what you could do with both of those is you could practice a little bit spend 10 minutes before you start work um and maybe or maybe at the end of work or in the middle of the day um and you don't have to do them every day but every other day is perfectly fine and then your workouts maps 15 and i think that'll probably solve your issue okay yeah it sounds good i i already i already ran just a regular match 15 and i really liked it and it's funny how like you get all that progress and it feels like you're not doing anything yeah no 100% dude you'll like symmetry 15 so symmetry 15 is unilateral focus which is i think what you need yeah for sure because i've been doing a lot of just regular squats deadlifts for a long time and i think i do need to go to you know lio side for a while oh yeah nothing's wrong with the squats and deadlifts and a lot of stuff that's great you'll get back to that just need to bolster it yeah but you've been doing it for a long time and then on top of it you know you're you're lifting boxes and moving things you know it says your email 20 to 25 times a day uh you know uh a day yeah uh or 20 times a day 25 pounds a day essentially and you know that involves like twisting one leg is four times a forward you got to put it somewhere you're not doing like this perfect like squat deadlift like straight ahead all the time there's a little bit of movement and i think that's where you're getting your issue the long there's a lot of awkward lifting because you know you're just pulling stuff off of a pallet and it could be in the back side and you got to step over stuff and it's just a lot of that the long the long-term prescription sounds exactly what the guys just prescribed and then you can go to maps 15 regular maps 15 after that but as long as you just inject and keep doing the windmill and the deactivator do those do those non-stop all the time before you work and after you work and then follow symmetry 15 and then after symmetry 15 you go to maps regular maps 15 and just toggle back and forth between those two those that'll that'll support you to build muscle take care of everything okay yeah nice yep yeah thanks man yeah yeah i also wanted to shout you guys out because you guys uh because of you i found fuel and i've really been using it a lot this last month because i had double jaw surgery four weeks ago oh i'll quit right now and i haven't lost any weight i'm still maintaining my weight so nice that's killer yeah yeah thanks dude yeah but it was really nice talking to you guys really big fan and appreciate everything you guys do thanks brother we appreciate the support thanks man yeah thank you yeah that's a common uh common issue yeah uh if my back ever gets hurt it's ql i know same yeah i've been through that process a few times and it sucks it does it's uh and i'll even do a basic super basic exercise that most fitness people laugh at which is like dumbbell side bends you know which is actually not a bad strength bad it's not you know it's not as dynamic as a windmill but it's a basic well that lateral stability is like crucial dude it's you dude especially when you're lifting things yep our next caller is autumn from ohio hi autumn hi autumn hello how can we help you so i kind of wrote in my email kind of my question but the biggest thing is i've not seen progress in my lower body strength in about like two years i'd say i recently got off of being pretty lean and i kind of expected to get stronger as a result of that but i haven't seen progress in like especially like my squat or most of my lower body exercises so i didn't know what you guys think could be the problem you're falling on my mouth i'm not i i do my own programming currently yeah problem one it's one of two things so or i'll say one of three things either you're really really strong and you're hitting uh you're getting to the point where adding strength is uh very difficult or you're not eating enough or properly or it's your workout programming uh uh is is the issue or a combination of all four combinations so let's let's let's dive into those so what lifts are you are you interested in in in building up your strength and how do you build up your strength and how do you build up your strength squat, I would assume. Yeah. The biggest one is my squat. And what does your squat look like? Give me some numbers here. So the most I've ever done was 245 for six. Okay. You're really strong. Yeah, you're already really damn strong. Yeah, yeah. So gaining more strength is going to be more difficult for you than if you were like squatting 100 pounds. Yeah. 245 for six is really strong. Yeah, you're like stronger. Most girls can't even PR that one time. So to rep that six times is incredibly strong. Yeah. So you're already in like the top 1% of strength. Tell me about your nutrition. What does your diet look like? So I do eat mostly whole foods and I eat a lot. I'm very hungry. I have a fast metabolism, so I definitely eat enough. I recently was thinking about like doing a cut just because I have gained a good amount of body fat, but I haven't really started it. What's your calories at right now? So I haven't tracked in a couple weeks, but usually I'm hitting close to like 20 pounds a day. 2,800 to 3,000. Okay. So it's probably not food. So let's look at programming. Explain your workout to me. What does it look like? So right now I do do three lower body days and then I do one or two upper body days. And on the lower body days, I typically do one to two heavier days where I'll do like squat, Bulgarian split squat, something like that. And the other one more like accessory focused. So two days are heavier compound. One is accessory. How many total sets are you doing? How many sets do you do in each of those workouts? Count up all the sets. I'd say about like 12 to 15. Each workout? Per workout? Yeah. Oh yeah. That's a lot. Your programming is the problem. You're doing remarkably well considering you're doing way too much volume. Yeah, you got to recover. If you want to get stronger, which tells me you've got some good genetics on your side too. So what would you recommend? How many sets per workout? So, well, let me, let me, let me. We'll just give you a program. Yeah, let me pause there for a second. How long have you been listening to us? About two years now. All right. And you really want to get strong. It sounds like this is what you really want to do. Yeah. Why haven't you gotten one of our programs? I've wanted to. I might get one for my birthday is what I was planning on. We'll take care of you. I just haven't had the money to. I'll send, I'm going to send you Powerlift. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you're going to hit some PRs. Yeah. Okay. Follow it the way it's laid out. Don't add. Yeah, don't add. Don't add a bunch of stuff to it, Autumn. Don't switch out the upper body with lower body either. Yeah. Just keep, do exactly the same. You're going to hit PRs in all your lifts. Yeah. I wouldn't, don't diet yet either. Keep your calories where you're at. Yep. Wait till after the Powerlift. If you want to do a cut, do it after Powerlift. That way we get the gains. So stay. Okay. And then. Go ahead. Like cardio wise, would you recommend not really doing cardio? Are you doing anything? What are you doing right now? Right now I do sprints once a week and then I mostly just walk besides that. Walking is perfect. You can do that. You're fine. Stay with that. Yeah, you can maintain that. So here's what we're going to do. I'm going to give you Powerlift and in three months you're going to come back on the show and I want to hear what happened. Yeah. Okay. All right. That's good. Any gains though, just in strength from where you're at is incredible by the way. I guess you're, we are, we are hitting, you've been training I'm assuming for quite a while now. This will be a real test to see. Yeah, like five years. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Programming matters. Now the two, two, was it 245 or 26? 245 for six. Now that was your all-time best. Are you able to do that now or what do you think you can do now? Most recently, like last week, I did 225 for eight with a belt. Oh, so you're close. Okay, cool. All right. Can't wait to see what happens in a few months. I know, yeah. Cool, yeah. I'm excited. Thank you guys. Yeah, and then maybe you can compete in Powerlifting because you got some numbers. Yeah, yeah. Young lady. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, you're doing great. All right, we'll see you in 90 days. Cool, thank you guys. You got it. Right on. Two or 45 sets a week. Just casually throwing that out there. 40, like 40 plus sets a week. I scored yesterday. It was 225 for eight. That's exactly my number last yesterday. I don't want to go too much. That's an insane. I was taking it really easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm sore as shit. That's an insane amount of volume. Yeah, bro. So that's why she's not getting stronger. No, I imagine she's probably, obviously, over a year. She's been doing, I bet, five years pretty consistent. Yeah. And so she's peaked. But, you know, and the only thing that's going to get it is giving herself more recovery. And it kind of points to, like, what, like, the common thought would be to just, like, you know, switch out, up her body, make more emphasis on legs. Yeah, do more, do more, do more. And it just doesn't work like that. No, there's a point where you get, not just diminishing returns and go backwards. The fact that she's maintaining strength and all that volume. Oh, I know. Pretty resilient. Well, it's also a testament to her feeding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's taking care of her feeding, at least. What are your predictions on what she'll be doing by the end of her? Oh, I don't, dude, I don't. 315. No way, bro. Are you kidding me? No. No way. I think she, her best. For a one rep max, maybe? Her best ever was 245 for six. Yeah. I think she's going to do. 265. Like, close to 260 for six. Yeah. I think will be what she'll end with. Yeah, I don't know. That's, that's a, that is tough to take somebody like that. I know, to squeeze more. The only reason why I'm saying that is she's that strong with doing 40 sets a week of legs. I know. So, in fact, Well, she did, and I don't want to say this to her because I want her to follow our program. That's the best one. Just cut it in half. If I, if I, hey, hey, take out one of those days and then cut the sets down by a third on the other ones, that alone would have had a bump. Yeah. Her strength considerably. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see. I mean, trying to squeeze more out of that is, is going to be hard. I mean, at this point in her lifting career, she's going to see, no matter what. A 20 pound gain would be amazing. Yeah. She's going to see incremental strength, strength gains. And then at this, it also should be highlighted. At this level, where she's at, not only is it programming, diet, all things, but then also rest that week. Yeah, sleep. And sleep, like, like all the other stressors in your life, like to see, you know, a pot. That's right. The slightest bit of off of any of that could swing her, you know. 10 pounds. Yeah, 10 pounds north or south. Our next caller is Hunter from Utah. Yo. What's up, Hunter? Hey, how are you guys? Oh my gosh, this is not real. What the fuck? Yeah. Watch your language, young man. Hey, I said fuss. I like you representing. I said fuss. Oh, God. Oh, God. All right, dude, how can we help you, man? Awesome. I'll read my question. So first, I wanted to shout out Jackie. She is amazing. She is awesome. Thanks. Okay, so I said, what's up, guys? I sent you a grad card. I don't know if you got it. I just graduated. But I'm heading out on a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Puebla, Mexico next week. And I'm really passionate about fitness. And I don't want to lose the progress that I built. But the structure of a mission and mission life makes training really a challenge. So here's my situation. I have 30 minutes to 45 minutes of exercise a day. And I'll be on my feet and walking most of the day. And I have no idea whether I'll have access to a gym or any equipment. The one thing I know is that I'm bringing a jump rope for cardio and resistance bands. My question is, what's the most effective way to build or at least maintain muscle with just 30 minutes a day and a bodyweight-only training as my baseline? I want a protocol that I can actually run with no matter where I'm assigned, but that I can also scale up if I do happen to get gym access. What would you program? How do you think about structuring something like this with when the interface effects from all the muscles and the muscles are in the way of the body, the body, the body, the body, the body? And what would you do with that? you can do that anywhere and so yeah and it travels really easy it's just one tool that you can bring and so i mean any of those programs would work i just i personally myself i would run that protocol and then if i get lucky and i get near a gym i'm gonna i'm gonna lift weights and follow it otherwise i'm gonna do suspension you'd be surprised what you can preserve and also gain uh you know with suspension oh gosh if you like the show come find us on instagram it's mind pump media thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted rgb super bundle at mindpumpmedia.com the rgb super bundle includes maps anabolic maps performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by sal adam and justin to systematically transform the way your body looks feels and performs with detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos the rgb super bundle is like having sal adam and justin as your own personal trainers but at a fraction of the price the rgb super bundle has a full 30-day money-back guarantee and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mindpumpmedia.com if you enjoy this show please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review on itunes and by introducing mind pump to your friends and family we thank you for your support and until next time This is Mind Pump.