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Speaker 2morning this is giddy up with gareth hall on this monday it's the 9th of november it's a big hello to you listening on your local sen track and rsd 927 dials wherever you may be listening on the rsn and sen apps if you're listening to us a little later on the podcast hello to you and of course if you're watching us on racing.com good morning what a week it was there at flemington flemington and its best crowds were terrific the action on the track was sensational and the entertainment was something else as well robbie on tuesday and fish on saturday it didn't get any better really for us racing fans let us know what you thought of the week oh four double nine seven three six seven three six your highlights maybe your low lights love to hear from you i four double nine seven three six seven three six on the garage horse and hound text line it's a big show as always on a monday clint hutchinson and david gately to kick it all off with the monday breakdown we'll look back at flemington especially on saturday jd hayes i think it's benny hayes today just after nine o'clock after their big day in sydney so looking forward to catching up with benny hayes obviously i'm talking about lindsey park after they took out a couple of the features there um we've got wayne hawks johnny o'neill oh the carnival's got to him johnny's crook as a dog so he's not coming in today he had some week johnny o'neill so it's just wayne hawks and there is plenty to discuss on and off the track with the big racing story so wayne's ready to go we'll talk wa racing they take center stage in a way you've got cf4 stakes day at sandown really looking forward to that you can get tickets there for just 15 at ticket tech but after that the first of the group ones in wa which will be the railway stakes we'll try and give you an update sometime this week about who is actually going to perth we'll pride of jenny be right i know buckaroo's going um so there's a few stars that will be heading that way cosmic crusader definitely will be going so we'll have an update for you regarding the wa um carnival as the week unfolds and then of course we've got all our regulars on mondays we go around australasia basically um talking about a big weekend of racing oh four double nine seven three six seven three six to join our conversation it's two minutes past eight let's get stuck into our monday show on giddy
Speaker 1up it's time for the melbourne breakdown with david gately
Speaker 2david gately hello to you good morning gator what a what a
Speaker 3week another week yes yeah it's not a win for you but um yeah massive uh massive week three hundred thousand humans uh viewership through the roof engagement um turnover the racing itself fabulous and the entertainment as well so a lot to dissect and feel feel like we've we've all done a nine man but um it's you wouldn't want to be anywhere else no clint
Speaker 2hutchinson hello to you hutchie yeah it's all smudged
Speaker 4mate you've had a crack at it this morning you've you've walked in with a little purpose i've got i have actually an attitude yes you clearly um wake up a little earlier than you normally do yeah
Speaker 2well probably a little earlier and about five o'clock this morning what time do you get up these days i was up pretty early this
Speaker 4morning yeah um
Speaker 2you're looking beautiful as always
Speaker 4oh yeah good one yeah um but anyway yeah you got a little smudge of the makeup but no what yeah a lot to dissect what a what a fantastic week cup week it was there's nothing like it there's nothing like it um there is nothing like it it delivered on on every scale and every metric i would have thought and um yeah bring it on it's a lot to talk about and
Speaker 2we probably right now wouldn't do it no it's just what would be your highlight of the week if you had one highlight maybe your simply sensational performance of the week and of course the best one today we won a hundred dollar rabira's port melbourne restaurant voucher because it's simply
Speaker 4sensational i think cup day with the cup winner yeah like robbie williams i watched it from home i thought the coverage was was fantastic even the camera angles the camera angle well we'll talk about that maybe later but no that wasn't great that was that was the low light of the week but the actual whole i think um watched a little bit of obviously on dot com as well they all did a great job and i think just the the build up with robbie and then the race itself and that performance i mean that was that was spectacular i thought cup
Speaker 3day was great
Speaker 2uh gator yeah well i
Speaker 3mean it's the third greatest winning margin in 60 years isn't it so um it says a lot i think um especially when you're coming from you know well back off off a you know less than fearsome sort of speed and odd sort of race shape and yeah everything else that was in the finish was near this horse so it yeah he was um a class above in a group one lexus melbourne cup so it's start number six if you don't mind so i think 1883 wasn't it so the last so that it's defied history to some extent i understand the race is continually evolving um but uh look there were many highlights but he it's our greatest race still and he won it brilliantly so for me he's number one i wonder how good
Speaker 2he'll be next year i think he's going to be a next autumn like he nearly would he be starting favorite in a queen elizabeth if that's the race he was set for after watching say birdman win the the champion stakes there well what makes him so
Speaker 4interesting is in you know along lining with what gator just said about his sixth career start is that what he showed in the cup this year is that turn of foot is a turn of foot i mean i know it was off a pretty sedate speed but but still sectionals were unbelievable so you think well anywhere from you'd think anywhere from 2000 plus that he's going to be at even at wait for age he could be a very interesting prospect was a handicap got to bear a lot in mind but you know he led up at geelong probably not the way to ride him and doesn't need to be as far back as he was in the cup but he's an exciting horse how many
Speaker 2horses in your time gator following this beautiful game could run the fastest last four and two hundred meters um of the day at the end of two miles on melbourne cup day
Speaker 3no no not many um remember i can't remember there might have been a horse like royal code i saw it once at the end of a mile or two thousand meters and i thought wow you know that's um to produce that sort of speed at the end of an endurance event um you know human or equine is uh is rare and and phenomenal and when you line it up with with sprinters you know it's the equivalent of you know just watching a marathon runner and they put the foot down the last k and still run a you know sub three kilometer which you know um five kilometer runners tend to run so um yeah i think from that perspective uh nothing short of outstanding right but then you factor in this horse's upside given he's still doing a lot wrong um is where the real excitement lies i think well
Speaker 2under the king for selling out now what was he thinking unbelievable stuff man you know he was a champion obviously king charles you've
Speaker 4really sunk the boot him haven't
Speaker 2you well anyway he wanted to win a melbourne cup
Speaker 4probably was celebrating he was probably very happy with himself that he bred you know yeah he bred the melbourne cup there you go look at the positive
Speaker 2side it was interesting when you were watching them i was at melbourne cup day and you could hear eddie mcguire over the pa for the presentation and he said and the winner point of law bred by the king let's get stuck in what happened to well let's get stuck into our breakdown of monday it was champions day and we'll kick off with the champions mile um she was the shortest prize favorite of the week autumn glow and she never looked like getting beat in that group one feature in fact it was a successful race for chris waller as well he trifecta the race there on saturday in the champions mile with lindemann showing his best finally in melbourne as well
Speaker 5now hunting out after it and they got away about four legs sepals and then came buckaroo approaching the 350 autumn glow let's go now on the outside of lindemann and they're together four legs to buckaroo autumn glow at the 200 meters trying to stay off lindemann who won't give in but autumn glow draws three corners of the length in front of lindemann and then buckaroo but autumn glow is going to be too good autumn glow
Speaker 2so chris waller trifectas the champions mile autumn glow too strong defeating lindemann buckaroo was excellent i thought hutchie but and she pulled up lame there after the race but chris waller talking to the correct weight team there yesterday the noon and boys in travis and nick saying that she's okay it was just a bruised heel and they've treated her and
Speaker 4she'll be all right right so x-rays are clear there's degrees of lameness so she's done a good job um yeah it was a nice it was a solid win it was a good race uh and she was too good she was one of the highlights i suppose that to have her here at flemington for the week was fantastic and we want to see the best horses and you'd have to say she's australia's uh pre-premier horse at the
Speaker 2moment yeah she is our best horse um what'd you make of it gator that champions mile
Speaker 3yeah it's interesting watching it live i thought um as she straightened she win by five um but then she's got her head on the side a bit um i thought something wasn't 100 and turns out that was that was correct she's a bit sore but still too good um you know playing through playing through pain if you're an athlete it's really important if you want to be you know one of the best and she's our best horse i think in australia at the moment um agree with all of that so a great win and i think when you're winning without things going perfectly you know to script and you're not 100 percent you know you go back to black caviar and that sort of horse is it i think it adds a lot of merit to not only the performance but their
Speaker 2legacy yeah i totally agree with you
Speaker 4there i i know that they've got the um they obviously had the the golden eagle in their sights but that was the bit of the shame of the race that we didn't have she's alibi lining up in that race yeah that that could have been interesting there on the
Speaker 2weekend yeah yes could have been very interesting and she didn't have really a run there the week before did she she was held up for the majority of the straight there in the golden eagle well i don't know if we'll actually get to see them clash again we might but it looks like at the moment i know chris waller didn't confirm it yesterday when he had a chat to the boys on correct weight but um john massar desperately wants to go to rule ask it with her right so her campaign will look that sort of rules
Speaker 4does that rule out of cox plate if they decide to go they'll
Speaker 2definitely won't ever go to a cox plate with oil and glow yes that's been ruled out she's a mile of sprinter that's what they believe that she is and so yeah so she won't go down that path autumn glow so she's going to go to rule ask it instead of going into the queen and
Speaker 4once she ran pretty well
Speaker 2she was sensational wouldn't she but they they're going towards a race like the the golden jubilee on the final day armors yeah the golden jubilee on the final day 1200 meters up the straight instead of say the queen and over a mile on the opening day so you disagree with what they're thinking it's strange yeah i mean i think
Speaker 4she's a fantastic mile that might be her best trip but i wouldn't be rolling out 2000 absolutely no way she's run over at once and she was beaten in a very fast race that rated well and she wasn't beaten far by a horse that at the time was in exceptional form so yeah i don't know it's strange that you want to close the book on that this early but fair enough miles not mine yeah gator
Speaker 3yeah well the last i heard was they were putting water on the whole royal ascot trip so um you know i'm not sure if it's true but i'm not sure if it's true but i'm not sure if it's true but i'm not sure if it's true um but look let's let that sort itself out it's no good us speculating but john massaro was on on the nine coverage on saturday putting cold water on the whole was he there uh royal ascot trip so i mean he does have a strong seat at the table in the majority vote
Speaker 2i'd imagine yeah well they keep on changing their mind anyway so true that um then when they'd say
Speaker 4they change it again with them in a cogs plate
Speaker 2yeah i'd love to see lindemann at mooney valley next year over two thousand meters in a cogs plate yeah i'd love to see lindemann at mooney valley next year over two thousand meters in a cogs plate yeah i'd love to see lindemann at mooney valley next year over two thousand meters in a cogs plate obviously didn't handle caulfield but he was far better
Speaker 4i think we learned from it yeah um you know because he'd run well at flemington in the past and you know it was always interesting pre-race do we trust these is it melbourne is it the melt is it you know racing this direction or is it uh is it caulfield specifically and a lot of riders have said to me over the years that caulfield's the track that a lot of the sydney horses can can struggle not the valley and not uh you know when it was had the past configuration and and not flemington but caulfield specifically so yeah and buckaroo will
Speaker 2be put on that play and he'll be heading to perth he'll take on cosmic crusader definitely in a northerly and pride of jenny might be there as well and then they're weighing up whether they give him a crack at a railway but he'll get top weight there in a railway stakes and history tells you that even if you're the great northerly it's difficult to win at the top of the weights in a railway stakes in in w he's racing really well yeah he's
Speaker 4he's in great shape he's in great shape he's in great form why wouldn't they have
Speaker 2another go yeah i i couldn't see him however beating cosmic crusader at weight for age over 1800 meters gator um which horse cosmic crusader buckaroo was speaking of he finished there on the weekend yep he
Speaker 3was good again buckaroo but he's just again right on the line they're holding him so yeah i just i think he look i think his winning days are probably behind him at the pointy level pointy end level even the mile race he dropped back and couldn't reel in holding him on the line as well so i think um he's going really well but there's that there's something missing that killer punch that right at the end you know when you've got to get to that 99 to 100 threshold i think it's i've got question marks on him in that regard now it's 14 minutes
Speaker 2past eight this is the breakdown on this monday morning gareth hall clint hutchison david gailey with you we'll take a break on the other side of it we'll have a look at the other two group ones there on saturday the champion stakes and also of course the champion sprint join the conversation
Speaker 1text us on oh four double nine seven three six seven three six live across australia this is giddy up with gareth hall
Speaker 2this is giddy up gareth hall with you on this monday morning 16 minutes past eight great to have your company on a monday morning g my simply sensational and i know in the saturday morning is david taggart and the upload free race on instagram um made me laugh though that was the post that we put up on sen track and our into um social media platforms tags was in good form on saturday i reckon my simply sensational performance of the week goes to mark sarah's ride on point barrow mark followed tempted's run throughout the run until j mac at the clock tower zigged and zagged and sarah very bravely zagged what a very brave decision and to ride for luck but knew he was running on the the fastest lane mark's brilliance arguably beat the fastest sprinter in australasia point barrow was the untapped horse in the field that's jamie um we might talk about the champion sprint first of all because a lot of these text messages here are talking about this champion sprint we can all forgive mark hunter for being disrespectful towards point barrow's form but we won't forget your belittlement of plaintiff even being in the race explained to his owners who just picked up 850 000 for the hell was trying his heart out and again you've all contributed and managed down there to get the champion horse tempted beat i swear to you what do you fellas do in there um do you put kryptonite on your cereal forget about getting the monkey off your back you're the king kong living in the studio that's from arnie elsie good on you arnie elsie he makes a good point we were potting i don't know who potted plaintiff but mark mark hunter did say that point point barrow i think most people would have given it point bar point bar is not as good as everyone thinks she is but mark zara and sam fredman when i asked him do they agree with you mark he said that they disagree with him and she showed her class now she's a group one champion sprint winner and this is how she did it it was it was the biggest upset of the week because you can and i was gonna um hutchie and gator to explain to us after this how plaintiff defeated tempted who beat koeing rising yes koeing rising at her last start and also jolly star down the straight at flemington on saturday
Speaker 5towards the back as plaintiff and last guy bird for the win 400 meters to go mazu in front of length and a half but they're queuing up jolly star cabalas charmstone tempted brought to the outside headwall over on the far side running on at the 200 charmstone headwall he is tempted right down the outside and plaintiff over on the far side plaintiff with tempted headwall it's going to be a big finish and point barrow between them plaintiff and point barrow point barrow point barrow maddie
Speaker 2hill you can tell in his voice when he was calling actually he could have been a little bit better but he was a little bit better but he was a little bit better i don't even believe what was happening in a way as well like at the 400 meter mark they were going to go straight past him and then they died on their run at the furlong there hutchie yep good right i mean just explain that to the punters there now koeing rising the world's greatest horse can be beaten by tempted at her previous start and then on saturday i know she pulled up with a small issue but she couldn't get past plaintiff and those type of forces down the straight she did hit the front at one point but she's in the worst
Speaker 4part of the track yeah um look i said on the coverage actually pre this race you know straight racing is very interesting because you don't need much and this was more in reference to making a bit of a case for jolly star and though i tipped tempted because you don't really need much to go your way in terms of lanes or if it's where the speed lands and and different runs to to change in order to change the results so obviously the market was heavily with tempted but i thought jolly star might be a little bit of value but look in the end obviously where the the main challenge is is that you've got to be careful with the road and the road is a little bit more of a challenge than you'd think and so i think that's a fair enough point we know they've already drained the outside and um it didn't seem as good that's one factor another factor they're coming off you know pretty hard run everest so they're probably going to come off that a little bit but you'd imagine they'd still be too good for them yes um but they wouldn't run well below what they've run last start so it's a possibility of happening but yeah you'd have to point towards has to be the track the inferior ground out wide
Speaker 2yeah and um um is that on the jocks is that on the jocks not going to the right place
Speaker 4well in reference to what one of your callers said there about mark zara being brave i think gator the important thing here is it's easy to be brave when you're on 25 to one shot you can kind of take a chance i mean he might have felt that there was better in the middle but it's like no i'll let them go there i'll i'll chance it in this lane or this is better ground i'm happy to do i'm happy to take this path
Speaker 3i said exactly the same thing that um price dictates you know expectations um yeah if he was on if mark up was on a dollar 70 pop i just wonder if decisions would have been different same with tent that if she was 25 to one and um that's the way i saw it as well and and 100 right in my humble as well you're talking about hundreds of seconds here you know so it doesn't take a lot to flip results um but you know if you told me before the race tempted would go to the outside rail and pull up with an internal bleed i probably wouldn't have tipped her
Speaker 2that's a very good point you mate see it's you know what was
Speaker 4surprising about the result is that headwall didn't on the better part probably didn't finish ahead of a couple of so maybe the everest form was no good point barrow that we also got to appreciate i mean more targeted for this race i thought mark zara was very interesting as well about post race because i think this is a you know if for a horse that's set for this race i think it's a big advantage and he was being proven correct and he might have yeah you know it's obviously helped in his thought process and point barrow has been very good against the bias winning earlier i know it's against easier horses but a couple of those wins at court remember those were days where you couldn't remember you couldn't sort of make up too much ground so she's a bit untapped she's got them they haven't run to their best in in worst ground and she's run to her best in the right part of the track and that's the fine margins of
Speaker 2yeah so there was a few issues is going to point out she had a small bleed um tempted whether that i don't know how much difference that makes sometimes it doesn't affect horses when you have a bleed like that well they usually
Speaker 4test them more so when they're beaten when they win yeah there's a lot of them that have bleeds when they win there's internal issues yeah there's degrees of it there's some of that there's a minor amount and some there's a major yeah
Speaker 2and so i think it just proves that straight racing can be dangerous sometimes if you're backing short price favorites and that and mark hunter's big on this as well is that the jockeys that find the right ground usually get the best results in straight racing and that's an art within itself and it's difficult for the punters to measure because you're trusting like it you can do the form all you like but if you haven't got the right jockey goes to the right places and you see a lot with the sydney jockeys and this is not my words this is mark hunter's words that they just get into the wrong spot all the time because they
Speaker 4don't know how to walk the track there are so many factors and you're also dictated to both like in the fields where the speed is in the race and you know what i would have thought chad scofield's main ambition was in this race and at the halfway he would have thought i've executed this perfectly i'm following jolly star she's going to drag me into the race and i'm going to have last crack at it because of course he's thinking she's the one to beat so why wouldn't you stay on the same path if he goes back inside and she ends up winning out there they go well why did you give up that spot yeah yeah you know punters you know i think you've got to be a little bit i don't think they were bad rides i mean personally i don't think they were bad rides yeah they found the worst ground but you sort of that's the way the race unfolded yeah they
Speaker 2were dictated to in a way any any more on this race um gator oh no i just saw the
Speaker 3track on on derby day you really had to be middle and beyond but not too wide that's where the straight race winners were but then it leveled out a bit you saw watch me win come underneath them and i think there was more room to move um yeah but i think you're dictated to by the race and the fact you need clear air at a dollar 70 or you you just
Speaker 2about lynched yeah and ray mcnero came down the exactly same spot as those favorites did in the champion sprint and flashed down the outside to win and that final event on on oaks day so um it's just a great game it's a beautiful game you can try and work it all out and um yeah and you can have egg on your face look
Speaker 4it's a bit like sun when sun gift lobbed and uh a lot of people obviously on too darn discreet but then work that one out yes you know you sit please explain well it's hey if it was easy we'd all be retired pretty i wonder
Speaker 2what the people in hong kong are thinking they'll be watching the champion sprint and they've seen tempted beat the unbeatable in kong rising and they're talking about him being the greatest horse we've ever seen you're not thinking
Speaker 4any less of her after
Speaker 2no you're not thinking anything less of tempted or or jolly star but you're watching that race and you're thinking well tempted we'll just blow them away and you see the results and she can't finish in the top three and you i can she he he she beat kane rising
Speaker 4yeah oh they move on pretty quick they do well maybe not with kate not as much they should move
Speaker 2quicker than i have anyway 25 minutes past eight we'll take a break we'll have a look at the champion stakes next this is giddy up join the conversation text
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Speaker 5about three lengths attrition light infantry man wax on sir delia's treasure the moment cosmic crusader brought to the outside is coming on and birdman's coming with it so it's going to be a 2 50 out with sir delia's who moves up trees of the moment's getting through cosmic crusader and birdman finishing hard birdman right down the outside 100 to go to cosmic crusader birdman cosmic crusader a half away birdman birdman wins in a half second well birdman's
Speaker 2been sensational that was one of the rides of the week ben mellon from that gate to follow the cosmic crusader and have the last crack at him was b mellon at his very best um and he was superb defending cosmic crusader aliana was okay um but birdman like he's he's got a seat at the table now i don't know about i'll ask you here hutch and david gailey with us um is he the best 2000 meter horse in the country at the moment i
Speaker 4would have thought there's not much between him and cosmic crusader but um on the weekend he got the good ground and i think cosmic crusader not saying he doesn't go well on good ground but he if there's a little bit of cushion in cosmic over him yeah um but there's not much between them i think you know he uh he ben mellon rode uh you know that horse very patiently on the weekend almost like willie pike did in the in the last time they ran against each other and he got the result there it was a good race was it was a fantastic race better run from sir delia's and i think aliana i mean she just she just wants she just wants more ground i did hear um chris say that she's better in the autumn he'll know better than obviously we will but um for me she's just looking for more ground but all that said uh yeah i think cosmic crusader and birdman they're um they're right alongside of each other
Speaker 2yeah chris waller did mention yesterday that he thinks that aliana is just a better horse in the autumn gator um all right yep
Speaker 3no she's a pretty good horse but she's just not you know what we'd all hoped i guess um she just doesn't quicken her time so it's gonna have an impact on you um so i tipped against her in a cox play thinking she won't quicken in time um then i jumped on on saturday at the same trip so what a deal um yeah yeah she um yeah she did further hutch is right so you know they got the campaign wrong um she probably wins a caulfield cup runs really well in a melbourne cup but anyway they have to make the decisions that they think are the right ones she um that yeah there was nothing between birdman cosmic crusader in a cox fight and her and then not much between the four of them with sir delius chasing a more moderate tempo with his blinkers was back to something near his best so all four of those ran really well um but i'm not buying aliana unlucky because she brings it on
Speaker 2herself so aliana i'm confused with her so why are you so you think she needs it she needs more of a trip than 2000 meters then why does mcdonald rider differently than on saturday because he went too early exposed her exposed her too early in a cox play aren't
Speaker 4you aren't you just looking for things though like i mean well then he rides her and just people come back and say i did this and i did that just look for what it is she's had a few goes against them she's been beaten fair and square or with minor things against them i mean if you want to start going down that path there's little things that don't suit them and you can sort of plug them even more she's competed against them she's pretty much had her chance and she's been well
Speaker 2beaten yes she's just not as good as everyone thinks she is obviously she's just not as good as everyone thinks she is so i think obviously what the market thinks she is then she starts favorite nearly every time she goes around she didn't jump favor on the week she was close to she was favorite for majority of the week yeah yeah but she was she was in front of birdman and birdman was better than her in the cox play yeah well
Speaker 4that's an interesting
Speaker 2one yeah and he kicked back to beat her yeah some
Speaker 4after she loomed up wonder why the market underestimated him
Speaker 2yeah and overestimates their gator yeah it's
Speaker 3interesting isn't it i mean i heard that as an excuse that she was exposed too soon but guess what she doesn't quicken you know so you know that's probably the best way to ride her hence she went down narrowly in a cox plate and then they tried to ride her pretty on saturday and didn't quicken and then got into trouble
Speaker 4what might have been effective with that is literally you know maybe some of the bigger teams with jay mack and wall i mean they do have a great record it's got to affect the price and the public in general yeah it does and i know they talk about it a lot but i don't know if it's going to affect the public in general her and i know they talk about grand finals with chris and we you know if they don't win i wasn't a grand final bloody bloody blah but you know it's uh the bottom line is she's had a chance and birdman beat them all fair and square on the
Speaker 2weekend and it'd be interesting to see how like these wait for aids middle distance races will be getting stronger say next year because you've got point of law that come into play you've got travel with him yeah well they'll stay in australia for at least a year they're not going to get on the plane straight away are they with point of law i'm i was i was hearing maybe the architecture off were you point of law yeah you booked your flights yet um it's a difficult time as soon
Speaker 4as you hear these things you uh you want to be on a junk
Speaker 2i'd rather be in australia than paris i think it's i i think i think it's a better time to be in australia than power who wants to go to paris at the moment anyway um so you've got and it's always called purview that's arrived for chris waller's camp that's a star they tell me with the turn of foot very very good horse he'll play a part during the spring or maybe autumn slash winter and james j brady could be interesting to see how he goes fantastic in the middle yeah didn't he go to
Speaker 4james j brady i i wasn't convinced or sold on him leading in i thought i don't know you've got to do do a little bit but i outside of the winner it was a fantastic run from that horse i think
Speaker 3I thought. Yeah, he was excellent with things not panning out perfectly. He was one of the better runs in the race as well. And I had similar queries. I didn't well down my batting order. I think the derby form wasn't much good. But it just shows you, it's who gets here and acclimatises way over their natural talent. That's been a rule for 30 years, and I don't think that'll change.
Speaker 2So what I'm saying is that these middle distance, wait for age races, might be stronger next year with those qualities.
Speaker 4We hope so, with Autumn Glow joining them.
Speaker 2She might do that now, Autumn Glow, and she's alibi.
Speaker 4I wonder if they're going to go to Hong Kong with Sedilis, because they were talking about that. He was better.
Speaker 2We forgot to mention him.
Speaker 4Yeah, well, look, I think he was very good in the run prior. I mean, you know, he chased, he was close enough to that really solid speed. And for him to run where he did, I know many were disappointed given what price he started. But if you look at the way the race was run, his effort was fantastic. So not completely surprised, Gator, that he finished better off at an easier speed, I suppose, on the weekend with the blinkers on.
Speaker 3Yeah, and that's it, isn't it? I mean, race shape is, I think, so important in assessing post-race. And that race, the Cox Plate was almost inverted. You know, the last few all came from the back, and those up the front finished at the end. So this was a much more, you know, sedate tempo. You know, seven and a half lengths below group on average this time. And he was rock solid, just no match for the Cornela, who came from behind him and were better, you know. But he was good, not back to his invincible, you know, when he sailed past VSC. And thrashed Autumn Glow. He's not there, but it was much closer to the Serdilis we'd come to respect so highly.
Speaker 2How do you think you'll go on Hong Kong, Hutch?
Speaker 4I'd have to see what's in the race. But I think it's good that he's coming off that run. And if he can hold that form, he'll be competitive.
Speaker 2You're the only star that goes from Australia to Hong Kong these days. We haven't had much representation in recent years.
Speaker 4We haven't had a lot. Annabelle Neesham has taken one here and there. They all get lapped. I'll tell you where they should be going. I know Kai Ying Rising probably will win the sprint, but there's nothing there to run second. I think we're going to chase that up. It's up for grabs, second spot. And it's good prize money. Like, something should be going because it'll be a nice check to pick up and a good trip.
Speaker 2You'll be going, won't you? I've got a lot of people that come up to me and say, your tour must have grown from last year.
Speaker 4It's the same.
Speaker 2Is it the same? I'll have to get you along one day. Yeah, you won that much money, didn't you, last year?
Speaker 4We had a great time. Good day. Got the triple trio. So it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2Yeah. Is that why you call your show the triple trio? No. No. 36 minutes past eight. We'll take a break. We'll continue on with our breakdown of Champions Day.
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Speaker 5With Pinhole presenting towards the middle of the course. And there are gap Manzor Blue and Torrenzino. Defiantly on the inside. Grabbed by Litchsteel and Pinhole. 200 to go. Pinhole goes to the front from Litchsteel. Defiantly Manzor Blue behind them. And Torrenzino King Pedro. Pinhole the leader. 100 metres to go. Surge is on. Pinhole. The favourite wins. And the crowd loved it. Pinhole won it from Manzor Blue.
Speaker 2It was a big rule there for Pinhole. Maybe he could play a part in next year's Melbourne Cup.
Speaker 3Ed Gaylor. Yeah, look, he'll have a seat at the table, won't he? And he was terrific on Saturday. Beating Defiantly, who was a one-time favourite for the race. So, easy to like on that form line, I guess. And even his Juja Kibo form, who placed in the Melbourne Cup this year. So, he seems to be progressing the right way. The challenge for these endurance athletes is sustaining it spring to spring. So, we'll let's see how that unfolds. Rather than jumping aboard, it was a proper tempo. You know, Defiantly wasn't mucking around some 21 lengths above. And that set up the fast overall time.
Speaker 4Yeah, it was really impressive. Delivered. Gee, it was a good week for favourite backers. I did the last day's stakes day. And I think there was a point early on when they said, I don't know, what was it? 15 from 28 or something. I don't know. It was an extraordinary amount of.
Speaker 2Apart from the champion spread, all the favourites won the feature races.
Speaker 4Yeah, it was an extraordinary amount of favourites overall. Obviously, the great ones were dominated by the favourites. But, you know, that's normally not the case at Flemington. Not that I'm begrudging it. Because. You know, we like to see the punters do well for the majority. And there's little bits of value speckled here and there. But it can be a lot tougher than that. And it's shot pretty straight.
Speaker 2Man's All Blue was very good. The Kiwis had a wonderful campaign, I reckon.
Speaker 4Yeah, I gave him a little chance to hit the foam. I mean, it was a sneaky good run in that lead-up race. He was very strong the last hundred. And I just thought, oh, if they make it a test here, he might get going late. Which is kind of what happened. But for me, it's about the one I pinhole. It's the one that you want to kind of look at as I go forward.
Speaker 2Well, Joseph O'Brien defiantly started in this race and finished fourth. He was a long-time favourite for a Melbourne Cup. Obviously, that was wrong when you get Torrezzino that goes past you, who finishes third.
Speaker 4If he goes past you, I mean, he tried to make it a test, which he did. He'd be more effective over that trip. Over two miles, yeah. Yeah, two miles of one might have been different. And this year's Cup, without much speed, who knows what might have happened.
Speaker 2Yes. Well, it would have been interesting.
Speaker 4You wouldn't want to be giving him 15 lengths at whatever distance it was. He might have just plugged away and held on.
Speaker 2Well, that's what was the disappointment. Yeah. I think for Joseph O'Brien and Camper Australian Bloodstock, that was the race he was set for. They would have rode him like that. The Royal Supremacy was out in front and it would have been a different ball game in the same colours if defiantly was out in front. Kane Corns, I was talking to him on 11.16 this morning on The Breakfast Show and he always thinks a little bit differently and he goes, all right then, Gareth, who was the biggest loser for the Spring Carnival? And I said Joseph O'Brien because he came here with a big team and he didn't win a race and he is a trainer that has success wherever he goes. He's a two-time Melbourne Cup winning trainer. He's won a Cox player and he would be disappointed with the results that came his way, especially in the Melbourne Cup. Kane mentioned she's alibi and Peter Mooney for only winning the one group one with that galloper. So it's an interesting talking point. But what did you make of Joseph's horses during the Spring Carnival? They would have gone home disappointed.
Speaker 4Yeah. They would have gone home very disappointed. It looked so rosy for them. After Geelong Cup, they were a couple of their lesser lights ran well. Very good. And they ran into a man called Kieran Maher and things changed. It's very hard, I think, now taking on the Aussie trainers on their home deck and with a horse like that as well, outside of the winner. I mean, he's obviously just still had the vast majority of horses that have figured in the finish. So Kieran is at the top of his game. The horses here are settled, targeted the race. I think the golden tickets, et cetera, are great. It's a great thing for them so they can plan them to peak on the day and he's going to be a force to be reckoned with in the years to come. All that said, yeah, Joseph will be disappointed. He's still got a pretty good CV as he's, you know. Do they bring out the right horses? Oh, well, I suppose on the result. It's such a hard one, Gator, to say because the race itself was run unusually and they might have been beaten by his absolute superstar.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's it. Yeah, look, I think, obviously, they tried a sort of war of attrition approach, didn't they? But they still, they're all individual athletes, though, and they all need to acclimatise. And, gee, it's much easier with the black shorts and the white shorts on, though. I mean, I'd love to know, as much as we love Kieran Murray and Chris Waller, how they'd go travelling to the other side of the planet, you know, each season and what their strike rate would be. So we have to factor that in as form analysts and try and get a guide on who's here and who's acclimatised. I guess that's the box. The point of law ticked and, you know, to an Omni man, a small fry and James J. Braddock and others that were higher in the market didn't. And even though they're probably better horses.
Speaker 2Explain, in a few of the other races, the Matriarch Stakes sun gift in the Waikato colours to being too darn discreet. She's a funny horse, too darn discreet. She looks 100 to 1 and all of a sudden she's coming again, looks a big chance.
Speaker 4Yeah, I think she should have won on the weekend, though. Oh, sorry, it wasn't the weekend. I lose track of the days during Cup week, but it was the weekend. Yeah, just a bit tight for rumour. She's that momentum building kind of horse. So just shows when you're up at the head of the field and you're out of trouble, there you can pinch it. And she did, sun gifted.
Speaker 3Gator? Yeah, she just missed that run, didn't she? It's such a key stage. I think it was perfect 10 that came out, took the run. And I think it cost her the race. And Jennings Meadows, a coming winner, though. I think she's absolutely flying. And hopefully we get to still see a bit of a price next time. She was. What, near 20 to 1 on Saturday off a terrific run in the Tezio. So she's going really well.
Speaker 2The Fisher Stakes over the 1200. Watch me win. Andrew Lewis or the South Australians always get a winner during the carnival. And it took them a while to get one.
Speaker 4They're going to win it when no one can find it. Yes, yes. They've sort of kept that thing going a bit, yeah? Yeah. Well done to Terry McAuliffe in the ownership as well. Is he in? Watch me win. Yes, he is.
Speaker 2There you go. Yeah. Got a phone call the other day. We've got a slot in the media, right? Now, we might have a horse locked in.
Speaker 4I've heard you offer this to a lot of people. A lot of people.
Speaker 2What do you mean?
Speaker 4Well, I've just heard you discussing this.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, that's the whole idea of it really, isn't it? Discussing it, talking about it, promoting it.
Speaker 4I'm worried that you're overselling it early. Like, you might have sold a spot before you know actually what the production is. No, I've got one.
Speaker 2I've got one. Okay. I might need a little bit of rain, but I've got one. Watch me win. Would it be, like, could it beat Smoochino Gator in a meteorine?
Speaker 3No, well, I'd be surprised, but then again, Point Barrow just beat tempted and jolly stuff. But, yeah, look at him, won for a long time, Eddie. So he was hard to find. But, you know, in Karuna, I was honest. Photograph went to that outside fence. It wasn't ideal.
Speaker 2And in England, it's about a salty. They've got a good two-year-old here. They had a good weekend, Lindsay Park, with their two-year-olds. They always do. Yeah. But salty one easily.
Speaker 4You know what's interesting with her is that she's very professional and the times are solid enough. But she's going to be hard to beat. They'll probably freshen her up, bring her back for the prelude or the preview or whatever it is. And she'll probably win one or both of those. I don't know if she can win a diamond, but her attitude is going to take her a heck of a long way. And the fact that she can jump and lead will certainly help too.
Speaker 2No, she was very good there on Saturday. 46 minutes past eight. We'll take a break. We'll come back with all of your questions and statements next year on Giddy Up on the Garrett's Horse and Hound text line. Welcome back to Giddy Up. Second year in a row. This is Gareth Hall, Clint Hutchinson, David Gately with you with the breakdown. We'll get to your questions and statements now on the Garrett's Horse and Hound text line. Second year in a row that Channel 9 has stuffed up the camera angle in the cup. When the field is strung out, the cameras need to pan through the field so we can all see where our horse is. To make matters worse, they cut to a head. Hang on. The camera angle for Autumn Glow's race, just weird there. I didn't get to watch any of the Channel 9 coverage. I watched a little bit. They did tell me you were a very, very good gator, and the majority of the coverage was excellent when I got told, but it was just the camera angles that frustrated a lot of the punters out there, Hutch.
Speaker 4Yeah, I saw a bit of it. It was good, the coverage, but I did say something just with regard to the actual race stuff. I've heard differing things as well. I'm not sure if it was VRC or Channel 9. Who might be responsible for those change of angles.
Speaker 2It needs to be done a little bit better, but I can understand where they're coming from because they're trying to change it up because it's not for a different audience, but it's still providing the pitches for the number one customer, and that's the punter.
Speaker 4Well, I think that the customer experience and that change, in particular in that race, and at the end of a week where it was quite challenging, I mean, in the cup itself, to try and pick out where your horse was in the run. And I think the customer experience, you mentioned before about Pinot, and the large roar from the crowd, they stayed on that one shot and people could get sort of get behind it. I think in some of the other races, you legitimately weren't sure sort of where you were in the run. But I'll look, hopefully those angles. They'll learn from it.
Speaker 2They'll get better.
Speaker 4I mean, I said something on Dotcom the other day, straight after the race about, particularly after the Autumn Glow one. But, you know, we don't want to, we don't want to, personally, I wouldn't think the customer experience, like I said, has been affected by that, but overall I think, you know, I watched a bit of the Channel 9 stuff, it was great, and obviously Racing.com, I enjoyed that coverage as well. So hopefully people did on the whole.
Speaker 2Did you enjoy Gator, doing the coverage there for Channel 9 throughout the week?
Speaker 3Yeah, of course. What a, what an absolute privilege. Yeah. So with the head-on shot for Autumn Glow, just someone hit the wrong button. So simple as that. Okay. Let's move on. Made a mistake. And luckily we're all perfect. So yeah, so yeah, just a mistake. I don't think, you know, that's probably what will happen. Maybe once again in another 150 years, but hardly the end of the universe. I think with the, the, the, the camera shots during the race, I think we can probably tinker there a little bit, but, you know, and, and I think it's really important for punters to stay engaged and be able to follow their horse. So little things, always looking to areas to improve. I don't think anyone thinks anything, I don't think anyone's aiming for perfection, but we're aiming for excellence.
Speaker 2Yeah. Ray says, was aerated down in three outside lanes, morning rain would only make aerated putts. Softer did not burn the race, but a fair fight. It was not. Um, but as Liam O'Keefe, I've talked to him this morning, he aerates that part of the track at every meeting because all of the traffic with all of the machinery. So they're just obviously the wear and tear after day four, and they just got into the wrong part of the track. It's as simple as that. Great win by point Barry. However, swap barriers with Skybird. Skybird wins very underrated horse.
Speaker 4I think what it does is it shows you what can happen in racing in general. It doesn't matter how good you are and, and, you know, it's. It's just a gentle reminder about these little, these, well, these factors that go into races week by week. So don't forget it. You know, sometimes we say, oh, it wasn't that much, or was this or that?
Speaker 2Yeah. Lads should more trainers take note of cosmic crusaders preparation look like so deal. He's just was getting warm and now going to the paddock. That's from Craig, um, cosmic crusader had one hell of a preparation. They're saying that so deal is needed more racing, not less racing. I don't know. If he's going to the paddock, we'll chase that up, Craig. Um, but he was very good. It was good to see him back to close to his best morning. Gareth, a sensational week of racing, showcasing all that's great for the sport. Amazing crowds. The entertainment was superb, especially cup day, but just the thought, the coverage by channel nine was excellent in parts. Um, TJ was poor interviewing racing participants with his very little knowledge of racing, but full praise of the wonderful carnival. That's from boy from the bull. I didn't listen to TJ, but TJ. He's been an excellent, um, excellent at what he's been doing all of his TV career. More than 50 years, TJ. So I can't comment on that because I didn't listen to those.
Speaker 4You working, uh, all through the, uh, I was watching any of the coverage anyway, or you were on, I was on track.
Speaker 2Yeah. I watched a little bit, but I was, um, socializing, socializing. Yeah. And then I just watched the replay. You have a good life. Yeah, I do. Don't know where we are. What's dumb. Did you watch any of the coverage or you were. I was on a cup and
Speaker 4stakes day, but I watched, um, various coverages on the other days.
Speaker 2Yes. Um, since I think the coverage of racing at the moment in this country is that it's, it's never been better. I think that the coverages on all the different platforms that we've got, and I think it's terrific. All the different podcasts that are going on at the moment, there's a lot of good young talent, um, talking about this beautiful game. Um, so I think that, yeah, we're very lucky in this country with all the content that is being provided by a host of different people over different age groups as well with different opinions. I think it's good. Um, I think racing's in a good place from that front. Yeah. That's just my opinion. Sensational. See the youth flock to the races over the card will embrace the competitive racing, dress smartly, well-behaved and had fun with all of their friends. Racing definitely has an excellent future going forward. That's from Peter. They say Peter Snowden is the best judge. He proved that with his placement of plaintiff is jigsaw. Going to Perth of her different story. I've got to chase that up with jigsaw today. Um, Hey fellas, as well, the cotton, all these horses too much. Aliana is a call for the Melbourne couples run them in those races. I think he's getting frustrated with all the questions coming at him every time that we speak to him. Is he, why didn't you go to the call for your cup? Chris, what are you going to Aliana? Zero wins from nine starts through the spring. Is she not a spring horse or is not as good as people think that's from earth. I think she's overrated to tell you the truth. Aliana. Um, I felt, I
Speaker 4don't know what you think. Well, we've spoken about it already. I think she's had a chance in those 2000 meter races. She looks like she wants further.
Speaker 2Joseph O'Brien brought out horses that have proven 4,000 meter Gallup is who don't have the turn of foot to match our two miles. Um, that's a good point. Eric makes a goodie.
Speaker 4Two shoes brand. Second year. But I mean, and I think she wasn't quite right on the day, but, um, Hachi,
Speaker 2what about some autumn glow? Could she go to Hong Kong? Tony wants to know why not? What race would be there? Obviously there's a few races on champions day in April.
Speaker 4Yeah. And there's the, the champions mile, the miles, um, got a bit of a void there at the moment. Yeah. Chris, Chris doesn't know. He doesn't like, he doesn't like traveling. I know he's traveled a couple of times, but I think you feel like it's that the owners have really wanted to, um, push that agenda.
Speaker 2No, because his theory is, is the prize money. So great in Australia. If I go to Hong Kong, I might lose two or three runs. Yep. And that's understandable.
Speaker 4Well, then with her, I don't think it's going to enhance. I don't think it's going to enhance her value much. If she goes, is it?
Speaker 2No, no. Um, Hey Gator. Well done. You've been superb all week, mate. We appreciate your time as always. Any horses that we need to be following?
Speaker 3Yeah. Look, I think outside of the obvious, I think, um, Jenny's Meadows, one to follow referenced her and I think photographs going really well for love a track with a bit of rain and maybe
Speaker 4a couple of winners there to come. Hachi. One horse that caught my, I'm going to give you one strike package I thought was a great run. Yes. For. I think Jonathan Munns. Jonathan Munns and Mark Zara. And it sounded actually like after the victory of point Barrow, Sam Freeman mentioned something about them having him and Mark Zara having words, but yeah, I was giving it a bit of a chance in that race, um, out of the Cranbourne second. And it was a big run. Yeah. I don't know where they'll go, but it's got a bit of talent.
Speaker 2All right. Then we'll drop that horse into our black book as well. Good on you. Hachi. Enjoy your day. Cheers mate. There's Clint Hutchinson is quickly approaching 8:58. Good on you Gator. Um, we'll catch up with you on Thursday. It's quickly approaching 8:58 on the other side of it. We'll catch up with Benny Hayes, Lindsay park that a pretty good carnival, but had an excellent day in Sydney on Saturday with the two feature winners. So Benny Hayes will join us straight after nine o'clock. And then I'm looking forward to catching up with Wayne Hawks. As I said, no John O'Neill today, the carnival has got to him in a way he is as crooked as a dog. They tell me. So he is having his Monday off Johnny O'Neill and Wayne Hawks will be solo. But he says, I don't know anyone else today, Gareth, just let me own the means test. Um, She's ready to go as well. So he'll join me around 9.30.
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Speaker 2gareth hall welcome back to giddy up it's right on nine o'clock great to have your company on this monday morning let us know your highlights lowlights from the weekend we've got a hundred dollar rubeira's port melbourne restaurant voucher to give away for your simply sensational performance of the week and you've got to tell us why 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 is the number to text us on on the garrison horse and hound text line um it's 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 the means test just after 9 30 but lindsey park had a big day they trained of course the english banner winner and sold in then they took out the two feature races there in sydney on saturday including evaporate you it was back to his best there in the five diamonds then
Speaker 6came evaporate from verona rose to cliche boulevard the mayor gets to the outside six lengths away starting a run brindavan lays it down to zambardo linebacker's gonna be one pacer evaporate still there plymouth running on the cliche boulevard still three lengths away evaporate moves up evaporate put the head in front fighting back as zambardo it's evaporate a narrow leader and evaporate goes on to win the five diamonds
Speaker 2you had to be in the right place as well there at rose hill on saturday but evaporate was able to um get the job done in the five diamonds he's had an up and down campaign but he thoroughly deserved that at group three level but it was worth two million dollars for a group three of the five diamonds zambardo was good back in second and plymouth was third it capped off a wonderful day in sydney for lindsey park because actor took out the golden gift it was a sensational victory over the 1100 meters defeating silent intent and now ben hayes joins us here on giddy up ben congratulations what a day for lindsey park there in sydney
Speaker 7yeah it was a fantastic day gareth um all three of us boys are quite happy and um celebrated accordingly i can assure
Speaker 2you so um evaporate were you expecting a performance like that there on saturday we
Speaker 7we know he's got the ability to do it yeah um he's just a very hard horse to be honest to train um he's quite heavy-headed and he does a lot wrong in his races so when he gets it all together he's he goes very very well we've seen it twice his prep where he's he's done you know he's relaxing his races and one well and all his other runs unfortunately things haven't gone the plan with him he's he had a funny a successful but frustrating prep yeah at his best he's a very very good horse but he just doesn't quite get things right so to see that happen on saturday is probably one of the biggest thrills you can get because while they're so frustrating we we stuck our guns and we still committed to the race and to get the result was a huge thrill and full credit to the team i find
Speaker 2that interesting so the art of training a thoroughbred is to make sure that you get the best out of your athlete and um listening to you there regarding evaporator he's a difficult horse to train but um you've got to keep to the you got to keep the face sometimes with these horses ben yeah
Speaker 7well i think nash he even admitted it after the race when he came in off the last time he rode him he just he basically just blamed himself straight away and said i buggered up the ride and uh even for nash to come out and win on him and ride him so well uh it's just a big thrill so look he's he's a fantastic horse not many horses win four and a half million and not win a group one so he's uh he's uh you know he's he he's a future group one horse we just got to find the right race
Speaker 2for him he wins 1.1 for winning a group three there on saturday what a world we're living in benny um and um what do you do with him now so he's had a pretty big campaign he's been up for a little while does he go to does he go to the paddock now or there's a few other options i would imagine for him towards the back end of
Speaker 7the year yes there is uh where we had a good chat this morning about him and uh we think we are going to freshen and look to target the spring uh the autumn sorry yeah target the autumn probably kick off in the futurity all-star run second in that last year and uh you know he could be a potential australian cup horse getting back out to his more preferred you know he's probably looking for that trip like he was strong through the line over 1800 and that's the first time we've got him beyond the mile yeah um because of his manners he's a horse that just unfortunately gets everything a bit wrong in his races but uh that would be the thinking with evaporate we'll freshen and look to target the
Speaker 2autumn so you think he's better trip might be 1800 to 2000 now oh i hope so
Speaker 7yeah yeah you've had so much success with per
Speaker 2and cano but geez that side has a good job
Speaker 7he does a very good job we've we've uh we've had a lot of luck with this stallion and um long may it continue geez um
Speaker 2you've hit the ground running with your two-year-olds this season what about act up this colt by castelvecchio that was a big win there on saturday
Speaker 7uh it's a fantastic ride by nash we were quietly confident about him going into the race yeah run behind salty was very good and mark actually came back in after that race and said i probably would have won if i had room yeah just being colt hit a little think and just didn't quite get it right on debut um he had a nice course proper gallop on the sydney leg at albury uh his work into the race was good and we got a 10 out of 10 ride by nash again um to see him run out the 1100 strong was really exciting so it's good we've got a nice uh he looks progressive and his racing style you know coming from last is always pleasing when you see that happen
Speaker 2yeah so he was excellent act up so what do you do with him now after winning the golden gift do you save him now for the autumn
Speaker 7yeah i think that's the the best option uh he'll probably get back to the farm we'll just monitor how he comes out of the race and um we'll just uh we'll look to place him either go for hopefully put him towards the golden flipper or maybe a blue diamond we just got to work out what uh we just want to see him back at the farm and make a decision
Speaker 2she's your filly by the salt salty she's a beauty isn't she
Speaker 7yeah she's super exciting she's just there such a natural early two-year-old she's professional she's fast uh she does everything correct um every two years like that you'd be a it'd be a very easy job but um we're lucky to have her and uh she's very valuable horse now so exciting times ahead um what
Speaker 2do you do with her now is she going to be aimed up at the diamond and the slipper in the autumn now yeah
Speaker 7so she'll probably look to kick off in a preview yeah over a thousand and we'll probably go to traditional uh prelude blue diamond probably just keep on the traditional path and um she'll get an opportunity it's
Speaker 2an interesting time now with these two-year-olds a few of the stables are holding them back towards the back end of the year but even last year we saw those horses that were up nice and early in the two-year-old season star throughout the autumn so um it can be done when you can win these feature races in the the spring with these two-year-olds and then they can go on with it still in the
Speaker 7autumn yeah we've had plenty of success um little bows is a good example yeah he won early and he won a blue diamond arkansas kid i think he ran very similar race and he's still racing now and multiple groups who win a group one place so if you know if they've horses they can do it some mature quicker than others it's just about having a the races at the right time
Speaker 2um how would you rate your spring so far then ben you've had success throughout um you've produced a couple of beauties i reckon um this spring as well um obviously you're looking for that replacement he's still around mr brightside but your stable star um like a new stable star um who do you think that will become the autumn is it regal ambition is she the one that you're most excited about
Speaker 7yeah look we've got a couple exciting horses coming through that you know got to go through the greats um regal is the most obvious her win was electric in the vanity uh you know she she was visually very impressive and she's pulled up great so she'll be hopefully um you go to that next level in the autumn um i think renarsson he's a horse that was only having his third start winning a listed race he's gone through a big growth stage i reckon he's a heap through the prep so he could improve um aurora bell she's a lovely mare that we've got so got lots of nice progressive horses and you know mr brightside's still around gareth yeah he's still around you know i haven't retired you yet
Speaker 2brightside i
Speaker 7bloody
Speaker 2love you mate no i haven't retired you yet brother um and how is he mate is he he's back at lindsey park spelling obviously and you'll give him another crack in the autumn
Speaker 7yeah correct look he's he had three runs back from his injury and unfortunately just jarred up in his second run and we're on the back foot a little bit and we ended up running on another furnace track and he was a clever horse he he just looked after himself and um we're going to give him a you know he's had a good spell already and we'll get him ready to kick off in his traditional races for
Speaker 2the autumn um you just talked about some two-year-olds in soldering and act up who both won million dollar races basically there on saturday who's your best two-year-old at home we might not know about ben i won't tell anyone
Speaker 7well i i do think we have a good group of two-year-olds coming through um look salty like first speed and early salty is exciting she's very fast yeah and she's always showing that and all the work. But we do have plenty coming through, Gareth, that don't, you know, shoot off the head. No. We have to wait till they do it. So, unfortunately, I'm not going to share any trade secrets.
Speaker 2All right, then. I won't. I'll make sure. I know you go to the Ascot Vale Hotel a lot these days. You might be telling them and might a few whispers. So, I'll keep my ear out and I'll make sure.
Speaker 7Just watch the trolls. Yeah. They will troll well and you'll know which ones go good.
Speaker 2You guys hide them these days anyway. So, it's too hard. Mate, we appreciate your time as always. Well done on the weekend, especially with your two-year-olds, to win like the $400,000 English batter and the golden gift worth a million dollars. It's a terrific start for the two-year-old season. And then the, what, $2 million, five diamonds. It was, I reckon, Prue and David would have been happy with the weekend anyway. So, well done, Benny. And thanks for your time as always.
Speaker 7It was good to finish the spring on a strong note. Just sorry. Going into the autumn.
Speaker 2Ready to go.
Speaker 7Going into the autumn, ready to go.
Speaker 2Are you taking anything to Perth?
Speaker 7Yes. Take Plymouth, actually. He's going to head up. Oh, there you go.
Speaker 2So, will he go railway and the northerly?
Speaker 7Yeah, maybe Perth Cup. Okay. That'd be an option for him as well. So, lots of nice options.
Speaker 2Yeah. And you had success there, of course, winning the Perth Cup last year. So, Plymouth will be on that flight there on Sunday week, I think they fly out. Yeah. Good things. Yeah. I still, and it's from Sydney and not Melbourne. A lot of people were upset that it's going from Sydney and not Melbourne. But anyway, we'll see if we can sort that out still. We've still got a week to try and fix that problem. Good on you, mate. Thanks for that, Benny. Thanks, Garth. There's Ben Hayes. 11 minutes past nine. We'll take a break. This is Giddy Up. All thanks to Bet365.
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Speaker 2It was a sad day in New South Wales there yesterday with that race fall. And at Warren yesterday. And racing New South Wales, which involved Izzy Neal, a young jockeye in New South Wales. It's very popular with the racing fraternity there. And everyone is praying for Izzy Neal today. And racing New South Wales have put out this information this morning. Following consultation with jockeys and trainers engaged to participate at today's race meeting at Scone, a decision has been made to postpone the meeting. The decision follows a serious race fall, which involved apprentice jockey Izzy Neal at Warren yesterday. It goes on to read, Izzy remains in Dubbo Hospital in a critical condition with her family by her side. The thoughts and heartfelt support of Racing New South Wales and the entire racing community, are with Izzy, her family, friends and colleagues during this extremely difficult time. So I've talked to a few people in that part of the world. Everyone is hurting today with that fall in the news with Izzy here, with Izzy Neal. She is fighting as we speak, but she is in a critical condition in the Dubbo Hospital. And it is understandable that the participants that were involved in that meeting at Scone do not want to compete today. So that meeting has been postponed. But as we point out, I'll barf everyone here at SCN and RSN and the racing industry. We're thinking of Izzy Neal and her friends and family at this difficult time. 15 minutes past nine. I'm going to take a quick break. I'll come back with Trent Mason with some racing news next.
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Speaker 2Plenty of text messages coming through on the Gareth Hall St. Hound text line, 0499 736 736. And don't forget, you can text in the show with your Simply Sensational performance of the week and tell us why the best one will win $100 Ribera's Port Melbourne restaurant voucher because it's Simply Sensational. The Sensational performance of the week is Ethan Brown in Point of Law. After a good start, settled him quietly in the back of the field. Then at the clock tower, wanted to get right for two seconds, but realised it would run into a closed tunnel. Shifted left, steadied the horse before working into its gears. Then when the clear daylight appeared, asked for a supreme effort. Only a superior horse can deliver that cashing. I watched that race live, Gareth. It was a shocking full prayers for Lizzie. Good morning, Gareth. Best wishes to all. May we all pray for Izzy. That's from Keith from Uroa. Too many to mention, but the VRC gets my nod for the performance of the week. Congratulations on delivering a fantastic world-class carnival racing entertainment and professional attention to detail second to none. That's from JR from Kalgoorlie. What else have we got? One of those was for Trent Mason, Held, I reckon, for the performance of the week. Have you seen that text message, Paulie? You can read that out. I can't find it. It was there.
Speaker 8I've got it right here in front of me. It says, forget Point of Law. The best performance of the whole carnival was by far Trent Mason, Held. I kept everyone informed 24-7. Saw him everywhere at track events and out and always happy to chat the best ever. That's Steve from Randwick. And it's a perfect segue, Gareth. Yes. A perfect segue.
Speaker 2And Trent Mason, Held, joins us here from Racing.com. The man they call the owl. Hello to you, Trent.
Speaker 9Morning, G. Good morning, all. Great to be with you from Sunny Cranbourne. It is an absolutely glorious morning here as the carnival rolls on. Flemington's in the rearview mirror, but we look forward to Group 1 racing at Sandown on the weekend.
Speaker 2Some news coming through from Rawa regarding this flight leaving Sydney instead of Melbourne. Basically, they've had two options with the flights. A flight from Melbourne that accommodates up to nine horses or a flight from Sydney that can accommodate up to 27 horses. We'll use the one that leaves Melbourne during the Western Trilogy because they generally only get eight or nine horses for the Western Trilogy. But they get more horses, of course, for the Pinnacles. So they've got no other option but to go to Sydney, to fly out of Sydney. In the best possible outcome, they would do both cities. But, you know, hopefully they don't lose a horse because they have to go from Sydney. Most of the horses that are set to be the stars of the show for the Pinnacles will be coming out of Melbourne. So they will have to fly up to Sydney and then get on a flight, which makes it a really good idea. Really tough travel schedule for them, Tramp. But that's the reason it's understandable what Rawa has to do regarding trying to accommodate more horses to come to Perth. But it's just a little unfortunate that there is no flight coming out of Melbourne, especially with the majority of the horses competing in the Pinnacles being based in Victoria.
Speaker 9Yeah, well, that is good to get some clarity around that because I was chatting to Paul Prushka at the races on Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, oh, I don't know, I've got to go to Sydney first and not really keen on that. So he's umming and ahhing whether he takes the party across. So, yeah, that is interesting and I'm sure that will impact a few of the horses. Hopefully, as you said, we don't lose too many good runs.
Speaker 2What did you make of the carnival, mate? The Flemington Carnival.
Speaker 9Sensational. It was awesome. The weather was foul again on Saturday, but it really didn't matter, did it? The people turned out in force, no doubt, Fisher. It was a key part of that. How about the Amzara and Elyse just owning the dance floor, mixing it up with Fisher on Saturday night. That was great. Benny Mellon, the photo, no doubt, you've seen in the rooms with the Patrick Cripps jumper on after Birdman won the group one for the Blue Boys. Over 300,000 across the week. Point of Law could be a freak. The next episode, the gun. Waller and Ma dominate the two best trainers in the country. It was unreal. I can't remember a better spring carnival or week at Flemington, to be honest.
Speaker 2Yeah. It was something. Something else, wasn't it? I reckon every, every, like, obviously there's going to be, um, obviously there's going to be some improvements, but you can't get it all right. But the majority of the carnival was superb. And I thought that they got the entertainment right, especially getting Fisher and, and Robbie Millie, Robbie Williams just add so much more to our carnival because it's more than just a, it's an event in a way. And Kylie Rogers has got that right with their team at the VRC. Um, so yeah, I think it was a good week for racing.
Speaker 9Yeah, no doubt. The racing was first class, uh, was safe. Uh, the track presented beautifully. We had good horses winning, competitive racing, people there, young crowd as well, which we continue to talk about, which is so important for our game. And even the young crowd I noticed were really engaged. I felt from what I saw and obviously I was, you know, busy in the press room and getting interviews and all that. But when I saw the young people in the crowd, they seemed to be engaged, which is really important. And hopefully we can capitalize on that and keep them engaged in the sport. Because, you know, they are the future. So when you've got young, exciting horses coming through like the next episode and great ambassadors for the sport like Ethan Brown, I don't think there's a better ambassador for our sport than Ethan Brown. He's just a, a real gentleman, very likeable young lad. Um, I think that, uh, certainly helps.
Speaker 2No, I totally agree. What about the CFL stakes? Who's going to be in that field this, this week? Obviously looking at the early market, it's, it's going to be dominated once again by the Maher and Wallace stables.
Speaker 9Yeah. So there'll be a number of Group 1 winners there. Chris Waller will have Angel Capital and Baver. He's two group one winners heading there And I believe they're going to gallop at Sandown tomorrow Yes Other horses to go around will include Pericles Jimmy Starr will run for Kiramar Possibly another will as well But that's not confirmed as yet Graham Baker, I just had a chat to Will run his Goodmare Splashback As she looks to win her first group one here in Melbourne Having won one in Brisbane earlier this year Shadovar, the in-form mare for Tommy Dabinick Now Kieran McEvoy rides Shadovar With Craig Williams on Pericles So rider change there, Kieran McEvoy in town To ride Shadovar for Tommy Dabinick In the group one on Saturday
Speaker 2And we've got the Hunter of course on Saturday in New South Wales And then we've got to work out what horses are getting on this flight For the Pinnacles in Perth Prior to Jenny It's more likely than unlikely When I had a chat to Tony Ottobre there Last week So she hasn't been ruled out But it's going to be interesting to see what they do with her Because she just needs a run
Speaker 9Yeah that's right Unfortunately I haven't been able to speak to anyone From Kieran's camp Both he and Jack They're not here, they're either in Sydney Or having a well-earned day off Well probably not a day off They don't have many of those in this industry do they But I haven't been able to speak to anyone Regarding Pride of Jenny Buckaroo is going after his good run on the weekend
Speaker 2Yeah he's definitely going
Speaker 9He's getting across for the 1800m race there Which is good news I thought he ran really well Just getting back to Saturday We've touched on that The Group 1 We've also got the Zipping Classic of course But one of the best races of the day for mine Is this three-year-old fillies race Worth a million dollars The Thoroughbred Club Stakes Which is just getting better and better each year How about this for Alana Natural Fling Sequin Semantics Aroused Cheyenne Caddington Just to name a few So it's going to be an absolute corker
Speaker 2That was a race that they put together recently And they thought that There was Like a race Missing for three-year-old fillies Three-year-old sprints So they make it a million dollar race And they get a field like that So obviously it's working Lady Shenandoah Has a chance to go around the CFL stakes as well She's still in training at Flemington
Speaker 9I'm hearing Okay I checked on Racing Australia the other day And had her listed as spelling And I spoke to Charlie At Flemington on Saturday And he said probably Only the two runners there So I'll follow that one with interest
Speaker 2Because I just looked at the Riser website just then And it has Lady Shenandoah In training at Flemington
Speaker 9Great That's fantastic
Speaker 2Oh no in fact she's spelling You're right So she was So she has gone to the break So she was being set for the CFL stakes So I hope she's okay That is interesting There you go
Speaker 9I just haven't asked You know she's done her job She's got another group one They spell it two group ones So she's done her job So maybe they're just going to give her a good break And freshen her up for the autumn Speaking of the autumn I had a good chat to Sam Friedman earlier They're looking to take their group one winning mare The champion sprint winning mare Point Barrow to Royal Ascot next year So plenty of water to go under the bridge But that's the plan at this stage I'd love to get her up the straight there She will have a good break And come back for races Probably resumes in the lightning And then the obvious one is the next start It would be the new market And then give her a good little freshen up Before heading across to Royal Ascot So that would be pleasing news
Speaker 2And the other talking point too from Saturday Was the change of mind from John Massar Regarding Autumn Glow going to Royal Ascot
Speaker 9Yeah Yeah It's a bit of ducks and drakes there isn't it One minute she's going And the next minute she's not And then it might be back on again So I would love to see her there Yeah She was just fantastic there on the weekend When Hurley not at her best Interesting comments from James McDonald I'm not sure if he played those Or he intends to Maybe on the mean test But James McDonald saying That she had a really good look around She was lost in the straight With the big crowd and the roses and everything Which is something we probably don't Really take much consideration for But when you've got a world class jockey like that That's able to pick that up I thought they were really interesting comments So that was probably another reason Why she didn't maybe win as well As what many thought she would
Speaker 2Yeah I think she just does what she needs to do As Chris Waller pointed out there yesterday On Correct Weight That she's a mare that Is not going to win by five or six lengths She's just going to get the job done She might have got bored When she went past me at the 300 metre mark She had Lindemann cold And she didn't say anything about that She didn't sprint as well as I thought Well she didn't go past him And then career-wise I thought she might When she went past me But maybe she just needs to do enough Obviously she pulled up lame there With a bruised heel And she's okay After the x-rays and all that come back So she'll be right for the autumn But it'll be interesting to see What they do with her now They try and step her out and trip They've always said that They don't want to go back to 2000 But they're not going to rule Ascot What do they do with her? So they'll work out a plan for her In the next week or so I think
Speaker 9Yeah I don't know that John Massaro Is too keen to get back to 2000 I think that'd be a tough Tough argument to win Trying to convince him to go to 2000 He said he conceded last time pretty much And she was beaten She was far from disgraced in that race at 2000 I'd love to see her have another crack at it I'd love to see her in the Cox Plate next year As most people would But I've got the feeling That we won't see that unfortunately
Speaker 2Good on you Trent You've been a great racer You've been excellent All carnival mate It's only just starting to It's not over yet mate You've got C4 Stakes You've got the Perth Carnival Hong Kong There's still plenty of news filtering around
Speaker 9Yeah Ballarat Cup Pakenham Cup Still in the next month as well I was a bit dour and weary this morning mate But coming out of here And get back around the horses And put the pep in your step One more quick one before I leave you Interesting The jump out this morning No real significant horses of note But in the trial just been Or the jump out this morning The jump out just been We had doubt time Go around for Clinton MacDonald Okay Of course he's now with Clinton MacDonald After being transferred from Nick Ryan Scratched on Coolmore Stud Stakes Day After he was slated to run that event So he just had a little pipe opener And his first First jump out for Clinton MacDonald So I'm trying to catch up with Clinton Just to find out what he's got planned For that three year old
Speaker 2Maybe they could go to a meteorite With a three year old Why not? If someone needs a slot These slots have to be announced Pretty shortly for these These races for Southside Racing With the Supernova and the meteorite So it'll be interesting to see If a three year old goes that way Like Kenny Keyes' three year old Ellie Barber would be a great find If anyone could get him
Speaker 9Do you need me to lean on anyone out here And get a deal done for you?
Speaker 2My deal has been done I've just got to hope that the horse Has pulled up well I can't reveal who it is just yet But whoever It'll start close to favourite I reckon The horse that we've got So um I've just got to hope That he's pulled up okay
Speaker 9You have been crowing That you've got a really good record In slot races So hopefully for your sake
Speaker 2We'll have that announcement Tomorrow hopefully Good stuff Yep So um But we need a Supernova horse Maybe if the party's Not going to go to Perth We'll take him for the Supernova
Speaker 9Yeah Zoo Sensation maybe Have a chat with Troy on Wednesday Zoo Sensation Would be another one in the mix I would have thought
Speaker 2Something for us Alright then mate Good on you Thanks for that Go well There's Trent Mason How to the 31 minutes past 9 The Means Test next Join the conversation
Speaker 1Text us on 0499 736 736 Live across Australia This is Giddy Up With Gareth Hall The Monday Means Test With Wayne Hawkes
Speaker 2And John O'Neill Time for the Monday Means Test And no John O'Neill today Now he's had that big of a week And you know he's crook When he's not in here So Johnny you get well He's as crook as a dog But Wayne Hawkes Wouldn't miss this Hello to you Hawksie Morning Gareth Those um Is it acronyms What are they Crook as a dog
Speaker 10Yeah How crook's a dog I don't know It's just a saying Wayne I know It's like he said As Peter Vlani's one said Or they said He said well you told they To come and see me You got an issue I reckon that was a great line
Speaker 2Yeah yeah yeah He said that one day Well that's like when people Report the sources Like tell you Who are the sources Do you tell the truth Most of the time Good from you You're in a good mood This morning Gareth What's going on Um Let's get stuck Into the Means Test We'll start off with The King's Gambit And I thought Flemington I thought racing Had a wonderful week Wayne From Derby Day 80 odd thousand there Um The racing on the On the track Was exceptional But I just loved The vibe off it Tuesday Robbie Williams Right they got it right There didn't they Kylie Rogers And their team They got it right With Robbie Williams And then It was a It was a famous cup victory With Portnoy Law One of the best cup Cup victories That were seen For quite some time And just the story Behind him How the King sold it Um And then you went to Oaks Day And then Champions Day Like the weather was better Than I thought it would be Um They had 70 odd thousand there Um All the champions Stood up Except for What happened there In the Champions Sprint Which we'll get to In just a moment But um I thought it was great The entertainment Off the track With Fisher was excellent So I think everyone Should be proud With what Happened there During last week There at Flemington Wayne It's an amazing week
Speaker 10And I uh I watched the last race Run and won I think it was race 37 races 37 races And I turned to Someone and said You know what the worst Part about that is I said what's that I said we've got to wait 51 more weeks To get back here Yeah It's as It just takes forever To get here This This period, then when it gets here, it's all over in a flash and it'll be Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Magic Millions, and around we go again on the big roundabout. But you know what? If you want to judge things on a negative, look what negatives there were, and there was very, very, very few. I know that's backwards, but we can all talk about the positives, and we love talking about the negatives, but there's not many negatives I don't think out of this week. You know, I won't lie. I asked Glenn Carmody, the treasurer of Flemington, I said, Kylie Rogers, and I said, people ask me, how is she going? He said, well, judge on what you've seen. Judge on what's out there. Because, you know, I thought to myself, well, if it was crowds were down, crowds were terrible, they'd all be boo-hooing us. So she has to take full credit and full responsibility to have 317,000 people go through those turnstiles. Yes, Flemington has 36,000 members, and it's the biggest membership of any race club in the world, but to have, you know, 317,000 people go through over four massive, massive turns, massive days, rolled into eight days, is nothing short of incredible. And how they put it all together, and it was funny. Everyone just said the vibe was so good, but every day was different. Everyone was just commenting to me going, every day was different. It just felt different, but the vibe was just so good right across the board. And to, you know, nothing against Jess Glynn and Vanessa Ramorossi, because as people listen to me, they know I love music, I love singing, but to have Robbie Williams there on Melbourne Cup Day to do what he did, and then to Fisher's Not My Go being over 50, but that's okay. But all the younger crowd said he was just amazing. To have those two people come and do what they did for Melbourne Cup Week makes us even more international. But the beautiful part is that when the VRC obviously were first negotiating years ago with some of these big acts, it was like, mm, gee whiz, whereas I reckon now it's gone the other way to thinking. Some of these big acts are coming out here, and the promoters are going, mate, we're doing Melbourne Cup Day, and I'm sure there's some of them that have said, what's Melbourne Cup Day? You know what I mean? But it would be so good for their business to get involved with our business. And I mean, Fisher is just, you know, it's just onwards and upwards. And even from the point of view, if it's $100 to get in, and you get an extra 10,000 people there, that's a million dollars. So if you're paying these people, probably, I wouldn't have a clue, but I'd be guessing everything's in US dollars. A million plus. It'd be a million US. So that's a million and a half Aussie. You're getting over half of it back just from the gated tenants. I mean, that's smart business. There's nothing wrong with that. And, you know, Robbie was for all ages because kids with TikTok now know the ABBA songs and all those, the songs out of Greece and all the stuff that we grew up with. They know those songs. Whereas Fisher, yeah, as I said, probably not my demographic. I don't know whether it's yours. I love Fisher. Do you? Yeah. Caters for everything though. And so it's a bit like when you see Crown Casino, you know, the entertainment complex. And that was, you know, Lloyd's great line back in the day. It was, you know, a world of entertainment. And going to the races is actually an event. It's not just a race day anymore. Look, I'm sure there are things that we could fix. I think, and I'd like to see on Oaks Day, probably maybe half an hour between races. Let's just bang through them a bit quicker than what we do and make it a bit more bang, bang, bang. Would you change anything? Yeah, I would definitely next year make the Oaks. 2000 meters because the, it's the, are we going to make the Derby back to 2000 or to keep it a mile and a half? If you want one year of questioning it, make the Oaks 2000, see whether that works. I would like Warwoven to be running in the Derby if he was going to run. I would, I don't think.
Speaker 2Well, that's a, I disagree with you there. You're allowed to. You can't have, don't you? The Cox Plate's a better race with the three-year-olds in it. If you take that away from the Cox Plate, you just get another reroute. Like the champion stakes was a great, great race. Did Warwoven help the Cox Plate? Yeah, he did. A hundred percent. He did in the, he did in the, he did in the finish. He did in the buildup. In the buildup, yes. Yeah, he did. And that's what it's all about. It's, it's, it's the anticipation to our great race. And if you take those three-year-olds out of our Cox Plate, Wayne, it's a lesser race for it.
Speaker 10Maybe, maybe so. But at the end of the day, I don't think the Cox Plate needs the three-year-olds to bolster itself up because the Cox Plate's the Cox Plate and it comes out with great stories.
Speaker 2And the Derby day's the Derby. It's not going to have any extra. What if Warwoven's in the Derby? Well, yeah, yeah, it will. No, it won't. Yeah, it will because Warwoven, yeah, it will. Not for, not, people aren't going to go, I'm going to go to Derby day because Warwoven's in it. The Derby's the Derby. It's the classic that everybody wants to win. But, but no one,
Speaker 10no one's going to Derby day talking about the Derby favorite because they're not a known horse. They talk about the Coolmore. Yeah, correct. Absolutely. It's never going to be called Coolmore Stud Stakes Day. So it's going to be called Derby day. And yes, the, you know, the word on the street is they're going to bring it back to 2000 and add more prize money. And things like that to the race. But I would just, I definitely think in the autumn, there's no problems with a mile and a half for our three-year-olds. I just think three-year-olds in the spring, it's not that they can't run it. The only people that complain about the Derby being 2,500 after the event is when the horses, you know, puncture in the race and don't run so good. But I, you've asked me, what would I change? That's, that's one thing I'd change. I'd probably, starting at one o'clock on Oaks Day was great. Yeah. You know, but as I said, I'd probably just go half an hour. Half an hour between races. I know then they would say that, you know, the presentation and things like that will probably, would probably, you know, err on the side of timeframe and things like that. But you're not, the advantage with Derby Day and Stakes Day is every, every 20 minutes you got the race, the big race in Sydney, whatever it may be. So, you know, the last two Saturdays in Sydney, we've had some great horses running up there. So every 20 minutes you're looking at the TV screen, either in Melbourne or in Sydney. So, whereas Oaks Day, you're not quite getting that as much.
Speaker 2I understand where you're coming from in that you think you need to change that three-year-old classic programming.
Speaker 10The three-year-old programming is under threat. We know that. It's official now. Yeah, but then you have to change the wakeful then because you can't. So what? Make the wakeful 1,700 metres. I don't think any trainer's going to complain that their filly has to run 300 metres short. You could either make it 1,600 or 1,700 and Flemington have a 1,700 metre start. So I'd make it 1,700.
Speaker 2You don't want racing to become boring and predictable. If you keep having the same race, the same races for the same horses, then yes, it's a yawn fest. The derby, at least it challenges you trainers. It challenges the jockeys. It challenges the thoroughbred. Who cares if they don't do anything after the three-year-old derby? It does. But who cares? But that's a classic. You win the Victoria Derby. You're a classic winner. Why don't you celebrate for what it is? Go to Sydney if you want to win over 2,000 metres. Well, people do.
Speaker 10Yeah. But I just reckon you'd get a better class of horse by running. And in the derby, yes, it might take a bit off the cocks plate, but same thing. Flemington don't care about Moonee Valley. It's Coles versus Woolworths. But Race of Victoria do. Race of Victoria does, but they're still not going to lose because the cocks place the cocks plate. And now the derby needs help. We knew about it behind closed doors. Now we know we've been put on notice to say that the derby needs a better class of horse and we need this and that and everything else. And that's not Race of Victoria's fault. It's not VRC's fault because they can only put the race up, the derby's worth $3 million. I mean, it is ridiculous, the prize money. And we would all run if we could, but we don't breed enough staying horses to actually, uh, to, uh, to actually, uh, be able to have horses in the race. So. Octagonal's greatest moment was as a three-year-old. He didn't quite, you know, in the cocks plate.
Speaker 2He won a cocks plate. That's one of them.
Speaker 10And he got beaten in the derby and should have won the derby. But that, but that was a hundred years ago. A hundred, that's. Yeah, but, but, but, but don't, don't, don't compare yesteryear to today. Cause that was. That was 95. So what's that 31, was that 31 years ago? Yeah. 31 years ago, Gareth. Yeah. How old were you then? Um, about four or five or something like that if I can recall. Hang on. You're over 40. Look, they're just a couple, they're just a couple of things I do. Melbourne, Melbourne cup, Melbourne cup day was fantastic. I was surprised how many people they got there for cup day. It shows you how big the day is. It's fantastic to have a holiday on that day and people go and support it. I would like to see the, um, the Melbourne cup parade come back. Yes. I'd actually like to see that.
Speaker 2Would you move the Melbourne cup from three o'clock on Tuesday? To what time? To the last race?
Speaker 10Yeah. It's quite interesting, isn't it? I mean, you, you, you are, you know, you look at Europe and they run their best races first. You know, race one, number one at Royal Ascot is one of the greatest races of their week, of their, of their, of their week. I don't know. I mean, it's, you know, it was three, three, three o'clock channel nine. It's, um, probably, probably sits probably quite right. I reckon. I don't, I don't think that'd make much difference. Where it would make a difference would be if the track was wet. Like it was really wet. It was heavy, but then if it, if you don't like the wet track, you bug it anyway. Yeah. So that was, uh, you know, but really other than that, I mean, there are any little small tinkering things that you'd, you'd probably do. Oh, I'll tell you one thing that we do need to do badly is the traffic. The traffic shies and haws in and out. And so I don't know where that is. How do you fix that? Well, I don't know. I'm not traffic management. I'm not the police and I'm not the VRC and I don't know, I don't know how much the VRC actually have to do with it, but it's definitely one thing that we do need to fix and we do need to make it better. The roads. It took me an hour and a half to get there. But that's what I'm saying. Saturday, yeah. So, you know, it's, it's, it's a very, very difficult thing to do in the police, but we need to, we need to get better at that. And it's to be, to be blunt and I'll say it, I'll say it now. It was, I reckon it was the second thing I ever said to Kylie Rogers when she arrived, you got to fix this traffic management because I said, it's not good with people getting in and out. But then I said, my other concern is put my trainer's hat on that. You've got to get the horses in and out and when you've got a stuck on the Baldy Bridge on a float. You know, two kilometres from Flemington That's not what you want And when I was a kid They used to come straight down the tram tracks And get escorted by the police Whereas now the local council's put up All those small bollards Are about six inches high And you can't double get up the road The best way to get to Flemington Clearly is by train
Speaker 2Horses can't get on a train
Speaker 10I know But you know what, you're 100% right They should encourage
Speaker 2Put more trains on Encourage the public to catch a train
Speaker 10No doubt That'll help the horses get there quicker The weather How good this was The weather was pretty average At the start of each day It didn't finish that way Which was great Saturday was bloody cold It was cold on Saturday But the other days ended up being really good And I mean, you look at the weather forecast For this week in Melbourne It's 27 degrees tomorrow I thought, why couldn't it be 27 for Melbourne Cup day I guarantee I would have got sunburned
Speaker 2Anyway, 46 minutes past nine I'm going to take a break here Wayne Hawks, Gareth Hall with you This is the Monday Means Test here on Giddy Up
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Speaker 2Welcome back to Giddy Up I want to hear your thoughts If you went to that Flemington Carnival What did you make of the week? Tell us what day you went to And what you thought Morning Gareth A group of mates went over from Perth To Champion Stakes Day We're all in our 60s And the day was probably the best we've experienced And we've been to most of the day Most of the big race days Fisher was just the icing on the cake It was a great seeing the sea of young people Dancing and having fun Just an amazing day that people will talk about for years That's from Brett from WA Plenty of feedback for you regarding the Derby distances It's going to be interesting too with the VRC Probably, I'll read them out But I reckon the majority of them, negative That's okay So it's going to be interesting with the VRC as well Obviously, Kylie Rogers Has done a great job as the CEO But there will be changes to the board Come the middle part of December, Wayne
Speaker 10Yeah, well, Neil Wilson is stepping aside So, you know, he's done a phenomenal job He was on the committee Sorry, he was on the committee They couldn't get a CEO So he put his hand up to take over as interim CEO Then he became chairman So he was executive chair And he probably, pound for pound He's probably the smartest bloke I've ever worked with From actually working very closely with someone And he was a real humble guy But tough as tough I remember one day I was taking the PI double five And said to someone I was half serious but half not And I said, what did your boss just I won't say who But I'll say, what did your boss just Listen to that bloke, doesn't he run his own show Raming at 20 past nine on a Monday morning And Neil Wilson gave me the greatest spray I've had Of anyone ever Berated by anyone ever Rated me over the phone I said, yep, fair call So he taught me so much One thing he taught me was Write things down Write a list Because he said that list doesn't go away He said, if you write things down on a list And you keep updating that list He said, we all forget That was one thing that I do all the time now And he was a great CEO at Flemington Because he started coming to trainers meetings And said, so what do you blokes get? We went, well, what do you mean? He goes, what do we do for you? And we're like, we get nothing He's like, you don't get a ticket a couple of weeks You don't get this, you don't get that We go, no, we get nothing He changed that around He turned that completely around And gives us a handful We get a handful of tickets each day And everything like that And we get way, way better looked after Than what we had with previous administration He's done a really good job Look, you know what? People on the outside are always going to boo-hoo And say that Flemington know this and they know that These were COVID times When you had brand new grandstands built And you were mortgaged up to the hilt Then COVID hit So we didn't drop any prize money through COVID Which was an amazing, amazing thing So Neil Wilson, I've just got the highest regard for him And what him and his team have actually done And he is there so often You see him driving in and out of the racecourse During the week off-season All the time So Vin Cox You know what? Vin Cox is not lucky Wherever Vin Cox goes, things work Magic Millions improved in a sight They got $10, $15 million worth of race days there He went to. To Yulong Things started going well at Yulong now It might have been going well in the bubbling away Before he got there But when he got there, it really exploded And everything like that So, and as I said No disrespect to anyone previous Because a lot of things were bubbling away there But Vin Cox's record is amazing So he's got big boots to fill But I love the US presidency From the point of view If you've got four years And then another four years I reckon in these big roles Some people stay too long And I think that we need to We need to have good More turnover at the top end Because to bring in new ideas New thoughts And you know what? Sometimes it's a bit like the old coach I mean, the old coach Isn't quite as good as dealing with young kids And you know what I mean? You're dealing with young kids That want to go and see Fisher
Speaker 2It'll be interesting too with this Obviously, John Kang has put his hand up We all know what Kang was able to do at the MRC And then you've got Bill Guest He's a very good man And successful businessman He's going to put his hand up To try and get on the board as well And there's Like Vin Cox has to get re-elected So he is The plan is to have Vin as the new chairman But he's still got to get the vote of approval By the VRC members And I think that How many members are there? 36,000 So my Like everyone If you're a member And you care about the club You listen to the people That want to be on the board You do your research And then you vote Usually there's only 10% of those VRC members That will actually vote And it's such It's going to be such an important Election this time around
Speaker 10Yeah, it is There's no doubt about that Am I guilty of not voting? Yeah, I'm one of the guilty party That quite often doesn't vote But, you know, as I said That wasn't a push there before For people listening to say Go and vote for Vin Cox Because I know him personally As well as dealing with him in business And he is an extraordinary man Who's going to give his all You know what I mean? So Yeah, I think that's going to be Yeah, I think that's going to be There was a lot of talk about the VRC There was a bit of unrest in the board And everything like that Not what I saw Saturday afternoon Okay I went to the Were you in the committee room? Yeah, I was I was in the committee room Late in the day And there wasn't There wasn't that much unrest Compared to what I thought That I'd sort of heard Around the traps And you know what? You've got a lot of people In a lot of room And you've got big egos And everything like that We're never going to be 100% obviously No But, you know With John Kanger Looking to come in You know what? I don't want to get involved In the politics really I don't really It's not I don't care Because we should all care But, you know As a Now I'm putting my Participant's hat on I won't get a lot of say It's as simple as that And they will decide What they want to decide I mean, you know The industry's going great Flemington's going great And just judge last weekend On the performance Because as I said Off the top If things were going bad Kylie would be getting the blame The committee would be getting the blame I think it's good for racing To watch what happens
Speaker 2Good people want to get involved In the game And try and Have the game's best interest And then Yeah In heart So There's plenty of text messages Coming through Melbourne Cup Day Was the best day I've had At the races in 50 years Start the Cup at 5pm And have 12 races I don't know if Liam McKeek Would like that
Speaker 10Part of the problem there though Is with Channel 9 Yeah Playing so much for the rights For Flemington They would have a fair bit of say With what With what happens With news And everything like that And one of the other channels Is first at five I think So That's one of the problems With having it later in the day
Speaker 2Yeah Agree with Mark On the Oaks Being 2,000 metres Wayne That We won't have the field Spread over 200 metres When they finish 2,400 Too much for a young Three-year-old That's from Keith Why as a racing industry Do we say We can't compete With overseas horses Over long distances And we doubt And we don't have enough Staying races But you guys are debating Why we should decrease The length of the Derby Oaks Waitful etc No that's for three-year-olds
Speaker 10That's for three-year-olds And we don't have enough We don't have enough Horses Because we don't breed Enough staying horses It's as simple as that I mean look at Look at all these horses That are winning They've all got asterisks And brackets after their name With point and law Where's he from Is he French UK No he's
Speaker 2He was bred by the king He's English He's English
Speaker 10Yeah He's got GB after his name So that's the problem It's not the fact As far as the races Being totally fair about it All the money Is in the middle distance Of staying races The money's not in the sprint races Other than the Everest All the money Is in the staying races But there's two issues One If we had all the stayers That we could breed People are going to wait Three or four years How many people Have bought a share In one of these overseas horses And someone says Mate This is May And we're going to be in there In the Melbourne Cup In November Bang I'll just buy a share So they're getting Lots and lots of turnover Of horses coming through To run in our race And we're only seeing The point and laws There's a stack of Point and laws out there That aren't any good That we're not even seeing So what What What they are spending On these horses Is frightening 0-4-double-9-7-3-6-7-3-6
Speaker 2To join our conversation The Garrod's Horse and Hound Text line This is the Monday means test Gareth Orland-Wayne Hawks With you No Johnny O'Neill He had a wonderful carnival He won with Birdman On Saturday He partied on that gallop He won a Melbourne Cup And he's crook So we wish him Johnny He must be crook The very best of luck In his recovery Says he's got COVID You know what the
Speaker 10Amazing thing was Wednesday Time for a break Join the conversation.
Speaker 2Welcome back to Giddy Up, 0499 736 736 to join our conversation. There's heaps of text messages coming through, Wayne. You love me reading them out. I do. We just don't want to go over old ground too much, but I'll get to a few, like what we've already talked about. Spit it out. I'm starting to agree with Wayne Hawks on the Derby Bang 2000. You would get a lot of better ones from the Caulfield Guineas going to it. Otherwise, it's going to be a Group 2 status. If you want to make racing boring, have a 2,000 metre Derby. G'day, Gareth and Wayne.
Speaker 10So it makes it a better spectacle being an extra 500 metres, doesn't it?
Speaker 2Yeah, I love the 2,500 metres of the Derby. It makes it interesting, challenging for you trainers. What's the Cox Plate? 2,000 metres. Just checking, just checking. Well, you want to have another 2,000 metre Group 1. Same as Sydney. I don't have an issue. With it being a mile and a half.
Speaker 10But we don't have the quality, enough quality horses, and we're not breeding enough horses to run in the race.
Speaker 2The winner of the Oaks this year proved the distance is spot on. What a filly she is.
Speaker 10We'll get to that.
Speaker 2Morning. Moving the Derby to 2,000, we'll just meld it into the calendars. Another 2,000 metre race and largely irrelevant. Cox Plate needs a three-year-old, and the Golden Eagle has already taken away our best four-year-olds. Leave this one alone, please. That's from Troy from St Kilda. Gee, I'm not engaged in Sydney. V Melbourne debate. I do, however, want to, the Melbourne debate. I do, however, want to point out this. I went to Everest Day in the members. I believe 52,000 people attended. Lines for toilets, eight to 100 deep. Lines for good, lines for good and drink. Prohibitive ramp. We cannot facilitate the crowd. Hated every minute. I had a runner on the day as an owner. It was dead set animal farm. Then went to Melbourne Derby Day in general admission and Melbourne Cup Day. Then the Tab Clubhouse Marquee. Both days were amazing. Derby Day, JA was 50 times better facilitated than Everest Day in Sydney. Flemington was amazing. Melbourne just does it better. That's from Bear.
Speaker 10The difference also is, though, is that Flemington is spread from way past the winning post in the Elms, where Fisher played, all the way down to about the 500 metre mark and on the infield. So they have spread it out so far, Flemington, whereas Randwick is quite congested. There's nowhere to move there. But Randwick. Yeah.
Speaker 2Gareth, if the three-year-olds weren't in the Cox Plate, Wayne wouldn't have the extra story to mention regarding Octagonal. Very good point. I'm sorry to bring this up, but Mounting Yard on Thursday wasn't good for the owners. Twice as many people as there should be overcrowded and unmanageable. That's from Tony. It is a difficult one, Fer, because everyone wants to get in the Mounting Yard at Flemington. It's like,
Speaker 10if you're in Sydney, it's like going in the sheds in the NRL or in the Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Tassie. It's going in the change rooms, with the AFL. Everyone wants to be there. So you look at the size of these race courses. Flemington's 302 acres, and we've got a mountain enclosure that's probably, what, 30 metres by 20 metres, I suppose. So I certainly understand where people are coming from. The worst one of all time is the old Moonee Valley. That was an absolute shocker. But see, where Sydney got around that was, Sydney put people on the infield, as far as inside the mountain enclosure on the infield. Yeah. You can walk across, because there's no outfield, if that makes sense, at Ramwick, and that works quite well. So I don't know, I reckon we could do that. Because what has to happen is, it's in Sydney. As an owner, you must be in there, in the centre, before the horses come in to the mountain enclosure. Otherwise you won't be allowed across. So owners, after race three, go, "Right, I'm in race four. Out we go." And that would help, you know, get around. But then the problem is, is that you'd want to see Kieran Maher, and he'd be on the outer, and you'd be on the inner, and it just doesn't work. It doesn't quite work. But you're right, mountain enclosures are way too small on the big days.
Speaker 2The Group Ones on Saturday, the first of them was the Champion Sprint, and it was taken out by Point Barrow, who caused a bit of an upset in that Group One feature.
Speaker 5Towards the back is playing Tiffin Last Sky Bird. 400 metres to go. Marzu in front, a length and a half, and they're queuing up. Jolly star, Kabalis, Charleston, tempted, brought to the outside. Head wall over on the far side, running on at the 200. Charleston, head wall, here's Tempted right down the outside. And Plaintiff over on the far side. Plaintiff with Tempted, head wall, it's going to be a big finish. And Point Barrow between them. Plaintiff and Point Barrow, Point Barrow.
Speaker 2Point Barrow's gone up to win. Yeah, an upset result. Point Barrow defending the Everest winner, Tempted and Jolly Star. In fact, they couldn't finish in the placings. Plaintiff and Sky Bird finishing second and third. This is what Chris Waller had to say to the correct way. Team regarding Jolly Star and the performance of her, and whether she was in the right part of the track or not there on Saturday.
Speaker 11Liam O'Keefe does an awesome job, just awesome. But I'm not sure if you can just aerate one part of the track and not the rest, but that's not for me to decide. I'm sure they'll have a process they go through, but it works in our favour a lot of times. But I don't think it should have to be walking tracks and things like that, really.
Speaker 2So that was Chris Waller, and the boys asked Chris the question there, Travis and Nick Noonan on Correct Weight, whether James McDonald got it right with his ride by going to the right part of the track, Wayne. And Liam O'Keefe, I had a chat to him this morning. They aerate that track every day, every meeting, especially down the outside because that's where all the machinery go. Well, not many horses come
Speaker 10hard up on that outside fence anymore. Well, Ray McNeero did on Oaks Day. Yeah, but I'm saying not many horses go hard. And when you see the overhead shot, there wasn't a hell of a lot of room for tempting. I mean, she was doing the old-fashioned. Well, she did pull up with a bleed, but you've pointed this out before that most horses do that anyway. Most horses can internally have a bit of a bleed, and the only way you'll know is by scoping them. Now, she may have won the Everest and had an internal bleed, but in Sydney, they don't have a scope on course, so you have no idea, whereas beaten favourites will always go and get scoped. So that's why we report it. So I wouldn't take that one to the bank. But if you look at the overhead shot, she was hard up against the outside fence, scraping paint. Very few horses go out there. But when the rail is out nine metres, that's pushing everything out, out, out further. So, I mean, did they get it wrong for going out there? I wouldn't agree with that.
Speaker 2Well, they did. You can't. Obviously, they were in quicksand, those horses. Yeah, but how do you know? Well, you do. You know. It's like plaintiff beat home-tempted in Jolly Star, Wayne. No, no, no. They beat Cain Rising last time. Hang on, hang on.
Speaker 10No, no, you're missing my point. You're talking post the race. How do the jockeys know that it was going to. Walk the track.
Speaker 2But does walking the track always tell you how the race is going to be? Mark's R&U, and he said it after the race. And he was following, he was following Tempted. Should we have to walk the track to find out what they've done to us? No, I don't think you. Well, I think that there's a big advantage if you've got the ability to understand a track, especially down the straight. Yep. And Mark Hunter always says that a lot of the Sydney jockeys get it wrong because they don't know which way to go or how to walk the track. Well, Jamek doesn't. He doesn't quite often get it wrong. No, he doesn't. He gets it right. And I don't know, he might have been dictated to where he had to go because he was following Umazu and Tempted went. He was on the outside. Yeah, but Tempted went wider than what Jolly Star did. But she couldn't go in, really. Yeah, no. Or she could have gone in a little bit. Well, yeah, okay, but you know. Well, because Sarah was following both of them and then he went back to the middle of the track. So, but Chris Wallace says you shouldn't have to walk the track.
Speaker 10I don't think you should. I mean, I've said this before. That's one thing Mick Kent Senior always said to me, oh, you don't walk tracks. He said, yeah, but just because you walk a track doesn't mean to say that you're going to know what's right or what's wrong. Just because you walk it doesn't mean to say you have any idea. I am expecting on race day that when you go there, the track is in the best possible way that it is. And Liam will say, I'm guessing, did he say to you that this is how I prepare the track? No, every time. Every time? Yeah.
Speaker 2And we've had this conversation with him before that, and every track does it. They aerate the track at the outside.
Speaker 10So, so, so I'll ask this question. I don't know. And I know Liam is an avid, avid listener. If, if that's the case and the outside couple of metres isn't right, shift the outside rail in. We do it for the inside rail going out. I don't think you can do that. Well, of course you can do it. Yeah. Well, why couldn't you do it? You do it, you do it for the inside rail. So if, if the outside's rock hard, let's say it's rock hard, then don't do it. Put the rail in two metres.
Speaker 2I don't think you should have horses running on an aerated part of the track because it's not fair. It's not a level playing field and, but as Liam pointed out, if they don't aerate that part of the track and then it would just be a fast lane, everybody would want to go there because it would be links better.
Speaker 10So move the outside rail in, because why did we move the rail out after Oaks Day? Because of the wear and tear on the inside. What do we do? It was true Cox Plate, true Derby, three cup, six Oaks, nine Stakes Day. Then if that's the case down the outside, move the outside rail in.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 10But the problem with all
Speaker 2that is that, um, I don't think you can, I'd have to change the, I'd have to change the rail, I would imagine. Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 10We can, we can do it if that's that big a problem. But as I said, there's very, very few horses, Ray Magnero, you were right Thursday, and Jolie Starr and Tempted, there's very few horses you watch down the straight go hard against the outside fence. We used to in yesteryear when they would split. And that's the other thing that they don't do anymore. Everyone wants to get out wide three quarters of the way out and that's where they all want to be. So back in the younger days, don't split and go in a router and that caused more problems because everyone would be going, oh, the outside's no good. Everyone would stay in. And then all of a sudden someone would go to the outside fence and bolt in, then it would cause carnage. But then with the horses on the inside, should they all get together? And it's not team riding, don't get me wrong, but should they all get together and say, well, instead of going all the way out there, why don't we all just go up the inside and create our own split, if that's going to make sense? I mean, I just don't think that. Is that, is that, is that, it's not team riding? I think it's a good, no, it's not team riding. No, it's not. They're not on the same team, but is that going too far?
Speaker 2I think, I don't, I don't understand where you're going.
Speaker 10If you've drawn one to six and everyone wants to go all three quarters of the way out, the inside six blokes go, well, bugger that. We can't win going out there. Let's all stay together. They do that sometimes. And stay in a clump and go straight up. But you know what? I don't know. I mean, a lot of these blokes are just following other blokes because that's where they are. And, and so. What happened in Sydney in years gone by? Why were you there? Oh, well, I'm following J-Mac. Well, who says J-Mac's in the right spot?
Speaker 2So a couple of factors here is that they had the Cox Plate meeting. So it was all right for Ray McNeer to do what he did on Oaks Day, but then maybe that ground got really tired there on Champions Day. The other aspect to all of this is that, um, like, do you give credit, like, where is the situation where you reward the people that plan better and go to the right part of the track and walk the track and have that advantage, Wayne? You say that you. You, you, you shouldn't need to walk the track, but some do, and that's where they get their itch from. If you are doing something to the track, we should be notified. Well, I think that Liam, um, has pointed out that he does this to the track every meeting.
Speaker 10Okay. So. Okay. Fair enough. But I still reckon that if you're doing anything to the track, that we should be notified. But the problem is then it becomes, Liam will say the same as what I say about, do we, do we, uh, talk about every single thing? I mean, someone asked me about hoof filler. Was it War Woven had hoof filler? Yeah. Was one of those horses and someone asked me about that and said, oh, I just get a bit iffy about it and I'm not quite sure and whatever. Do we give out too much information? But I think from a track's point of view that, you know, we, we probably, if we start giving out too much information, well, that sway us the wrong way. And, and to, and to go back a step, well, let's, let's not BS anyone. Liam is the best curator in the country. He had a wonderful week. No, no doubt about that. Well, he's had a wonderful two weeks because what Liam has had, what happened is he's had Cox Plate, Cox Plate Day banged into him before Melbourne Cup week. So you, the night, the day before it rained and it did that nearly every day leading up to each of the four race days. So to have a whole Cox Plate meeting thrown into you to end up where we ended up, Saturday, last Saturday had to have some wear and tear. And unfortunately, maybe it was the sprinters that suffered the brunt of that, but we had an extra whole meeting. So in theory, normally it's four massive Saturdays rolled into eight days and we had, you know, 15 days and five meetings. I mean, it was quite extraordinary what Liam does. Liam, Liam does the best job of all time. I mean, do you want to know one of the amazing things, one of the amazing things, Liam, they have a company now at Flemington and they can, and Liam will go interstate and overseas and they charge and they, and they, they send an invoice now when Liam goes away and looks at other tracks and everything like that. I wonder how many times any of the other. The other tracks in Victoria actually asked Liam to go and see.
Speaker 2I think they're working closely with Moonee Valley. You'll see VRC and Moonee Valley work more closely with their new track. Right. I think Caulfield's, I don't think they, um, Caulfield have got their own team there.
Speaker 10No one in, no one in Victoria seems to ask Liam, but in the state they do. I mean, look what happened, Magic Millions Day, was it last year or the year before where there was that shocking brown part of the track and Liam, Liam travels New Zealand all the time. He's been in Dubai's and he's been all these places all around the world that he sneaks off to. But it's funny how Victorian. I think he's going to Doha and I
Speaker 2think he's going to New Zealand. Um, and it's a successful consultancy business that the VRC set up with Liam O'Keefe leading the way there. Um, just on that and John O'Neill, he's listening. G'day Johnny. He says all jockeys should be walking the track. It's like Robbie Williams. He does a sound check, doesn't he? Before he sings. He does. So you need you. And I, I think you, you, you should be walking the track or have an expert to help you out. Um, I don't know. Do we, do we overthink it? I'm not, I'm not sure.
Speaker 10Well, I think, yeah, well, Mark, do we overthink it?
Speaker 2Yeah. One Mark Sarah, the race there on Saturday, uh, just on that race point, Barrow was excellent. Um, but I don't know what you make of it really.
Speaker 10Well, when, when you, when you, when your best couple of horses don't run a place, people are always going to question it. There's no, there's noted about that. Were they over the top? Had they had enough jolly stars, a fresh horse had, she had one run too many has tempted had one run too many for them. The gut, the play part for the gut buster she had in the Everest to win the Everest and run the times that she did. I don't know. It's easier. It's easy after the events. I, I didn't like tempted for one reason that it was her first time up the straight. And I said that on the internal chat that I was, uh, I was in jolly stars camp because great horses up the straight always run, run great tempted and jolly star basically hit the front, but then they, they punctured the last hundred or so. So was that because of the track or was that because they were tired and at the track,
Speaker 2it was because of the fair
Speaker 10enough, fair enough, 15
Speaker 2minutes past 10, we're going to take a break. We'll come back and we'll have a chat about the champions mile and the champion stakes.
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Speaker 5Autumn glow, the outside James McDonald now hunting out after it and they got away about four. Lex sepals and then came Buckaroo approaching the three 50 autumn glow. Let's go now on the outside of Lindemann and they're together four legs to Buckaroo autumn glow at the 200 meters trying to stay off Lindemann who won't give in. But autumn glow draws three colors of a length in front of Lindemann and then Buckaroo. But autumn glow is going to be too good.
Speaker 2So autumn glow was great to see her at Flemington, the country's best horse, Wayne. John Massara and channel nine. I listened to his comments. He said that maybe Royal, Alaska, it's not on their agenda anymore. It's not. No. Okay. So that was interesting.
Speaker 10These are the, these are the big things that you have to decide. You've got the great horse and it's just not as simple as a put in and take out. You really have to think hard about what you're going to do. And it's an amazing game. You know, she, she would, what's today? Monday. She could arguably still be at Flemington leaving tonight. She would have either left last night or left tonight going back to Sydney to spell. And she hasn't even hit the grass. Paddock. And you're already planning what you're not, or you are going to do for next campaign because next campaign actually starts today. Working out how long you can be in the paddock for how long pre-training, how long back in Chris's stables. And then what we're going to, what we're going to head to and run first up because horses like this really have only got plan a or plan B. There's no real, if you're staying in Australia, you've only got one or two options. Whereas if you're talking, going overseas, that's another ball game. I'd love to see a go. I'd love, I'd love to see a go. And, um, go to go and run the Queen Anne or race like that. It'd be fantastic to take her over there and see her build around a Royal Ascot and see how she shapes up against the best of the best.
Speaker 2It's an interesting one because John Massari doesn't need the money and Herman. He's racing money. No, it's not about the money. So Chris Wally, he was talking on correct weight there yesterday. And he said that like, I think if he had his choice, he wouldn't go overseas with any of his horses. The prize money is too good here in Australia. What do you need to travel? And if you do, you go overseas, you sacrifice a couple of runs here on Australia. Yeah. But Jolie started a good job and came back. Yeah. But she didn't win. She wasn't at her best there in at rural Ascot at her best. She probably wins probably,
Speaker 10but you know what, on the day he wasn't good enough to be wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2So, and it's not easy for a horse. Like as Chris pointed out, you don't just go and sit in business class. It's 40 odd hours to get there. Um, so you've got to work,
Speaker 10but it's all the stuff when you come home quarantine.
Speaker 2Yes. So you've got to weigh all that up, but it'd be great to see you there. But the question Mark is now is that what's her best trip. Like we had clean Hutchinson and Gator on this morning on the breakdown. That would love to see her again over 2000 meters, but that won't happen. Well, you could,
Speaker 10you could say that, but she's older now. Yeah. So, and I still don't care what anyone says. She ran 2000 last time. She only got beat two legs.
Speaker 2Not as fast as Sir Delius and Linderman.
Speaker 10Yeah. But yeah, but yeah, but, but Linderman proved to you on Saturday that he's up to her. And Sir Delius was arguably the best horse in the country. At that time when he was flying. Yeah. So, you know, she might've just been at the end of her preparation and had had enough. So to get her back next autumn, you could run in the queen Elizabeth and say, let's have a crack because then what that'll do is that will then set you up with you. Come back for the Cox plate. Yes. Or you don't run in the 2000 and then you go to the paddock and then you come back and just follow the same exact same route that she did this spring. And she'll go around, go around again and be a dollar 20 favorite. And we're not, we're not sick of her at a dollar 20. Are we? I think sometimes we get a little bit, you know, not annoyed is the right word. We want to see these great, great horses race, but obviously people that are punting, they start looking for around the favorite. And, but then I suppose that adds a bit of who hearts of the race, doesn't it? But she's a great, great horse. It was good to see her at Flemington. Interesting. J max comments, how she was a bit looky, looky around Flemington and first time, this way of going, everything like that. I don't know whether she'd ever been to where Flemington before, like she may never, ever, have been too well. of Flemington before, so she might never, ever have been. In Sydney, we can work the opposite way of going, so she could gallop and trot and canter Melbourne way, but it's a different ball game, travelling away and doing what she did for the first time. But one thing that was quite interesting watching it live, when Lindemann went, let's go, J-Mac was right there with it, and I actually thought to myself, does he really need to go this soon? But you know what? He was spot on because Lindemann just didn't lie down, and what an amazing horse. He's won nearly $7 million, and he is the bridesmaid, but I'll tell you what, he's some hell of a bridesmaid, and he does not, not get the recognition.
Speaker 2Because he doesn't race any of our big dancers. That's why he doesn't get the recognition. He's been winning these high-prize money races in Sydney that are not the big grand finals. So you can't get the recognition that you think he deserves unless he turns up to the big ones.
Speaker 10And he was good in a Queen
Speaker 2Elizabeth brief in his second. He was mighty, but you would love to have seen him in a Cox play. Absolutely. Like if he wants to get recognition, then turn up, mate, into a Cox play, and we'll give you recognition. Well, when you're running hill stakes for $2 million,
Speaker 10you need to stay in Sydney and get a million and a quarter just for cantering around.
Speaker 2Well, Evaporate won $1.1 million on Saturday by winning a five diamonds. Correct. It was a group three where $2 million.
Speaker 10The prize money in Sydney is nuts. And unless you are in the champion stakes, unless you're in the Derby, unless you're in the Oaks, realistically, if you've got those same races in Sydney, those races in Sydney are worth more. The Carbine Club and the Calendar Presnel were two weeks ago, and they were $500 million.
Speaker 2She's alibi. Like she had an interesting preparation. She won a Maccabi Diva. She got beat over 2,000 metres, and they dropped her back to 1,500. She didn't have any luck in a Golden Eagle.
Speaker 10Well, you never know how she was going to fare at the winning post because-
Speaker 2It's a big order for her, isn't it? Along with, like, we'd love to see her clash with, with Autumn Glow. But these Wait for Age races are going to be a little bit interesting. Who are you talking to, Wayne, out there? You're on camera, you know. I'm sorry. Don't listen to me.
Speaker 10Brian Waldron. Oh, okay. Formosan, Kilder, and Melbourne Storm. And he owned a horse called Mentality with me that won three group one miles at Randwick. Mentality. Yep. So I wondered who was peering through the glass.
Speaker 2Yeah. So, yeah, it'd be great to see them clash in the Autumn on it, and if that will happen, depending on where Autumn Glow goes.
Speaker 10It's going to be very interesting. And, as I said, they have to start making those decisions very, very soon. So, yeah, I thought she'd be short-priced to go overseas, but obviously that's Wallace saying, yeah, I don't want to go. But Arafield and Hermitage can decide whether they want to go over. And it's for the ego. It is. But that's okay. That's why people race horses, for the ego of it.
Speaker 224 minutes past 10. Let's have a look at the champion stakes. This was the third of the group ones. And, geez, Birdman, he's a good horse, isn't he? He was second in a competition. Cox Plate, a little unlucky, but on a good track, he was able to turn the tables on the Cox Plate champion, Cosmic Crusader.
Speaker 5Cosmic Crusader a half away. Birdman. Birdman wins it a half.
Speaker 2So, Birdman gets there. One of the rides of the Carnival Benny Mellon from gate number one.
Speaker 10Birdman, yeah. Look how consistent he is. He's a good horse. What a good horse he is. And he's another one of these ones that's not the absolute elite elite. He's in Lindemann's class, I reckon. He's better than Lindemann. Yeah, but he's in, well, is he?
Speaker 2Yes, he's better than Lindemann. Okay. Yeah. Righto.
Speaker 10Because he's winning champion stakes. That's fine. And Lindemann isn't. There's not much between them. They're two bloody good horses.
Speaker 2He's a beast. He's a better horse than Lindemann. Well, it's okay.
Speaker 10You're probably right. You're always right, Gareth. So, you are right. It was a great race. You know, Sir Delius, they'd written him off and he was there until the last hundred. And it was an amazing, amazing race, I thought. And he deserved it, Birdman. He really, really did deserve it. Is Eliana overrated? No. Eliana was supposed to run the Caulfield Cup. I said it week after week after week. I've got to smile and say yes, but I don't know. I just reckon she's a mile and a half horse and she's probably better on a softer deck as well. But, you know, they didn't choose to run in that path and that's okay. Yep. She's a bloody good mare.
Speaker 2She is a good mare. Really good. Chris Wallace says she's a better horse in the autumn. Can you explain that to us, punters? Well, wet tracks probably, I'm assuming. He said that she just, from a seasonal point of view, she just looks better and must feel better in the autumn than she does in the spring.
Speaker 10She never looks right. I had a horse called Neewat that won a Sydney Cup and he always looked terrible. There was only one preparation in his whole life that he looked amazing. He was, I reckon he was the first Galileo to ever win in Australia in a group one. And he never looked right. Eliana always looks ordinary. That's just her. So maybe, if you think about this, if you love the cold, you go into the snow. Simple as that. If you love the heat, you go into Hawaii, aren't you? And if you don't like the autumn. You ain't going to those places. So horses can be horses for courses from that time of the year where, you know, some horses perform better. Hong Kong's one place that they are mad on that time of the year is when they perform at their absolute best.
Speaker 2So do you have mares like that, however, that are better in the autumn than they are the spring?
Speaker 10I wouldn't, I wouldn't probably say that. I'd probably look and go, you're going to Ballarat in the middle of winter. The horse that looks the best in the mountain enclosure probably is a horse that loves a wet track. Eliana likes the steam. Didn't she win a derby by a hundred lengths one day as a, as a female at rambling. So she probably likes the cold more than she likes the heat. So, and there's plenty of people listening right now that like one or the other. Sometimes we don't care, but every now and then that does, that does happen. But for mine, she's a mile and a half horse. That's, that's what she, that's what she is. And look, I suppose in some respects, not having the Cox Plate run at Moonee Valley, going to Flemington, I reckon Cosmic Crusade, probably gets beat in, in, at Moonee Valley. But then, but then I said that to Pike, but then as Pike said, maybe they'd go a bit harder a bit early. I said, well, they couldn't have gone much harder than what they did in the Cox Plate. But, um, you know, when you're running at Flemington, like you, like when you run at Ram Week, there's not many excuses really. And if you, if you've got a chink and a slight weakness, you will get found out.
Speaker 2She's just not in our top three horses really, Eliana, over 2000 metres away from race.
Speaker 10But if J-Mac wasn't riding her, right? She probably doesn't start that short. Well done. It's the J-Mac. The J-Mac. J-Mac slash Wallifactor. Yes. Why she is so short.
Speaker 2And I think Cosmic Crusader on a soft track is better than Birdman, but it's an argument to say on a good track, there's a strong argument to say Birdman's better than Cosmic Crusader. Ash says, Cosmic, Ash, this is a text message from Ash. Cosmic is still the best 2000 metre horse in the country. Champion stakes was the end of a long prep. Was three or four more runs than Birdman. Think he would have won if the runs were the same. Thoughts there. Well, Ash, the program or his preparation isn't over just yet. He's not finished, is he?
Speaker 10No, he's going to the northerly. Mate, it was two things I've learned out of this spring carnival. What they did with Point Barrow, galloped him hard on the Sunday, galloped him hard on the Monday, let him bowl around at three-quarter pace Tuesday. Point of law. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Point of law. Go out on the Tuesday and win the Melbourne Cup and run the fastest 200. I don't know whether people know this or not, but this is what I am told, that after Cosmic Crusader ran in the Caulfield Cup, he galloped on the Tuesday, he galloped on the Thursday. And he won the Cox Plate on the Saturday. Mate, I haven't got a bloody horse in Hope and Hilda could do that, what either of those two horses could do. They'd be in body bags if I did that. And I don't know how many trainers said that to me, that if you've got a horse that could do that. I said, no way. There's two of them. They are just absolute iron horses, those two, to do what they've done. And Cosmic Crusader ran out of his skin on Saturday.
Speaker 2Do you think that you could, like the way that you've seen a few of these preparations from different trainers this time, around, are we too light on our horses?
Speaker 10No, because we, no, we're not.
Speaker 2And why did, why does some trainers have better success by being tougher on their horses than others? Because the horse is tough. And if it wasn't tough. Well, there's going to be certain horses in your stable that are tough.
Speaker 10Not like that. The last one I had was Ollie Kirk. He's the, he, he's the toughest. He's probably the toughest horse of the last horse that I've had that tough that I was galloping Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and John Oakes said to me, geez, back off a bit, will you? Yeah, even he said that to me, which he's never, ever said that to me before. They're not tough enough. They're not strong enough. They, they just aren't. Aliana is a perfect example. Why doesn't Chris, didn't Chris want to run a, in a Melbourne Cup? Because he's not going to be strong enough and he didn't want to be, you know, this is under your phrase, but didn't want to take it home in a body bag. So, you know, you've got to know your horses, but horses are not tough. This is how they were 40 years ago. You could do that. Not like they are today. So these are two exceptions. They're the exceptions, not the rule.
Speaker 2Um, how was Sydney making their money back from investing $2 million in the five diamonds? Who's betting on that race?
Speaker 10How many people are on track for it? They're probably not. The Everest is the, that, that, that's one thing you want to ask, but, but the one that would be the biggest one that I would want to know is the Everest. How do we fare out of the Everest for what we put in? Pretty well. You know, the answers. Well, Peter Villandis never
Speaker 2gave nothing away and you know the answers. Well, the Everest has re-evented the spring carnival. They get 50,000. It's just not. And, um, when you look at the Everest, it's not just than on how much it's making on that day. It's the effect that it's had on different generations going forward. The Everest is a huge success. Yes, it is.
Speaker 10But I'm just asking dollars and cents wise. And you talk hill stakes, you talk big dance, you talk all those sorts of races. They're worth, I believe, a better investment than the other races, put it that way. Russell Balding. I mean, you're right. Whoever they text that in, you can't, they're not making money. There's no way.
Speaker 2You're so emphatic that the track was the sole reason for Tempted not winning well. It was looking all right when it leveled up to them. I agree with Wayne on this one. Tempted was gassed. Simple as that. That's from Dave. Gareth. Here we go. Excellent discussion about Flemington track fellas and what Liam does. You're educating punters and arming them for betting. Liam is an excellent expert with the VRC and is doing a wonderful job for Australian racing.
Speaker 10He won't come on, but could we get him on? That sounds stupid, but I mean, could we actually go to Kylie Rogers and ask Kylie whether we could get Liam on? He comes on every Friday and Thursday. No, no, no. Talk about this one though. Because primarily most people don't like to come on. So I don't know whether you're listening on Liam and you want to come on. Text me. We'll get him on. If you want to come on, we'd actually love you to come on because we actually want to know what you did and do you do this every week and give his explanation of it because he is the man.
Speaker 2Excellent discussion about the Flemington track fellas and what Liam does. Get Nash to walk the track for Giddy Up every week. He will show the boys how to do it properly. Morning, Gareth. A volume of constant discussions and opinions. Around changing races, their distances or scheduling is so dominant in Victoria. Why is that? Well, I think it's just the Derby that continues to come up in conversation. Wayne wants to change the Cox Plate and Caulfield Cup. There's a few questions coming through. Will the Cox Plate be at Flemington next year? Yes. It will be.
Speaker 10Yes. Explain why, Wayne. Well, I reckon it will be, and I don't know, but the track at Moonee Valley is going down. Yeah. So the track will be right. It will be. It will be right by this time next year. But what other infrastructure around is going to be right? Because Race Victoria have sent Moonee Valley a, not a please explain, but it might be a show cause maybe, saying you need this criteria before we can hold a race meeting, let alone a Cox Plate. So right now, if you drive, and you know what? Anyone that's in Melbourne over Moonee Valley side of town, just drive down the Dean Street side. Just drive down and do a U-turn and, you know, like go around the outside of the track. It's phenomenal how it actually looks. It's quite. It's weird, really, when you're seeing no grandstand and just a track down. It looks, it looks amazing. The other thing you can do is you can get on YouTube and Michael Brow does an update once a month on YouTube and just shows you, you know, when you have the camera speeding up over a week and it just shows you all that sort of stuff. So, but you, you, the track's going to be right, but we need a stack of other infrastructure. We need race day stalls. We need roads in, roads out. They say it'll be ready, Wayne. You need grandstands. It'll be ready. You need, you know, winning posts. You need, um, photo finishes. You need broadcasting boxes. There's more than just, uh, let's pop up a few tents and call it the birdcage and have a way over time and have a few beers and a bit of infrastructure. So I don't know where it's going to be, but I tell you one thing while we're talking on this subject, Flemington desperately needs Moonee Valley to be back because this time next year, Flemington's going under the knife because they're going to rip the track up at Flemington and do the proper renovation that it, uh, that it so needs, even as good as what it has been. Because the, I think the grass is growing out at the Pakenham, somewhere out the back of Pakenham, there's 42 acres that's been growing for the last 18 months. Yeah. So we can't afford for Moonee Valley not to be back because if it's not back, obviously then there would be a question mark whether Flemington can, uh, can do their renovation. Time for a break.
Speaker 2Liam O'Keefe will join us straight after this here. Really? Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 1In the conversation, text us on 0 4 double 9 7 3 6 7 3 6, live across Australia.
Speaker 2It's 38 minutes past 10. Wayne wanted Liam O'Keefe, and he is, what are you talking about, Wayne?
Speaker 10Why are you interrupting me again? For the people on racing.com, we're going to change that photo of you. Why? Keep them back on. Why? It's shocking. Why is it shocking? This is coming from a bloke that's got a head like a, I'm going to hit you on the radio. Excuse me. Wayne wanted Liam O'Keefe.
Speaker 2Wayne wanted Liam O'Keefe, and he gets Liam O'Keefe. Hello, Liam. Morning, gents. We're talking and discussing about the comments from Chris Waller yesterday. I might play those comments once again, what he had to say on correct weight there yesterday regarding the track being aerated there on Champions Day.
Speaker 11Liam O'Keefe does an awesome job, just awesome, but I'm not sure if he can just aerate one part of the track and not the rest, but that's not for me to decide. I'm sure they'll have a process they go through, but it works in our favour a lot of times, but I don't think it should have to be walking tracks and things like that, really.
Speaker 2Your take on those comments there, Liam?
Speaker 12Yeah, so just to let everyone know, our process for each meeting is that the outside four metres is aerated down the straight, and that's because all of our machinery drives up and down there for all of our maintenance during the week. And then also the barriers on race day and things like that. So putting the turf management part aside for allowing roots to grow by providing them oxygen and actually having nice turf out there, it's also done to relieve the compaction because the alternative is to not do it and have a section of the track that would be about eight lengths faster, and it'd be the first horse out there would win. We try to find the right balance of aerating. So that it doesn't soften it too much, and it still provides a nice surface for the horses. And I think you see on Derby day, horses won out where we aerated, Ray Magnerio won out there on Thursday. So it certainly doesn't wipe it out of play, it more just levels it up. And it's something that we do, which is important for people to know, we do it before every single meeting throughout the whole year. And we've done it for the last eight years, so there's nothing different about it.
Speaker 2Was it a disadvantage to be where those favourites were on Saturday, in your eyes?
Speaker 12Probably by that stage of the carnival, yeah, probably by that stage of the carnival, Gareth, we'd had probably 600 horses go over it, plus 50 with Breakfast with the Stars and trials. So the track did have a lot of wear and tear. We got some rainfall right at the first race on that last day, so that would have softened the ground up where all the straight racing had been conducted a little more, and probably back to the end. The inside of that, the ground was a little bit fresher, so yeah, it was at the end of a carnival, and yeah, overall, you look back to Oaks Day, we had two straight races, and they were five-horse photo finishes for both of those, and we didn't do anything different at all for Champions Day.
Speaker 2So you just heard it from Liam Wayne, that's why he should walk the track. Can Wayne pay you to be his track walker, Liam? I don't have no money.
Speaker 12I think, too, Gareth, like all of the jockeys, all of them go out and walk the track prior to racing. Most of them even have a stick now, and they would religiously do it to not only get a feel of the track, but also the wind conditions and things like that. So yeah, all the jockeys always get a chance to go and walk the track.
Speaker 10So what is air running? Is it putting a corkscrew in the ground and just pulling out a whack of dirt? What is it in layman's terms?
Speaker 12No, all it is, Wayne, is we use it. It's a verti-drain, so it's a 13-mil time that goes in and out of the ground and literally aerates the ground and relieves that compaction. So I liken it to if you continually sleep on the pillow and you don't shake it and fluff it up, it gets hard and sets firm. It's the same as the turf. So it needs regular aeration for turf management point of view, but also, too, if areas are compacted more than not. And around the track, we'll get areas where mowers drive in and out, barriers drive in and out. And to actually allow the water to drain into the track, we have to regularly do those areas as well. So it's not only a practice to do to stop areas becoming fast lanes, it's also done to allow the water to drain and to be able to host safe race meetings where there's not water lying on the track.
Speaker 2Are you looking forward to hosting five meetings again next year? Because Wayne believes the Cox Plate will be run at Flemington once again.
Speaker 12No, I think they'll be right. We're sending a team of builders up there to help them build and get everything ready. So I'm sure they'll be fine.
Speaker 2So there you go, Wayne. VRC and Moonee Valley working together. So they should, too.
Speaker 10Yeah. The other thing is, is there any reason why the rail is always in the true on the outside fence? Should you bring it in three metres on the outside fence to actually stop this so that if last Saturday was going to be like this, it wouldn't happen because they couldn't actually get out there?
Speaker 12No, I would say not because you're skinning up the track. And you are, you'd be probably pushing horses onto more worn ground. Yeah. Fair enough.
Speaker 2I think he's just frozen there, but maybe cut himself off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if we can get him back, we'll say goodbye. But he clears that up for us. Sorry there, Liam. We just lost you there for a second.
Speaker 12Sorry. And to try to move it after the maintenance that we do mowing and things the day before it had. Yeah. You wouldn't be able to continually do. that, but yeah, it's. It is, you know, it's a part of something. I'm only doing it to stop it being a complete fast lane because if I didn't do anything, the first horse to get to that ground would win nine out of ten every single straight races.
Speaker 10So, yeah. So I went and picked up my car from the races yesterday. I only had about four beers, but I do not drink and drive ever. I took my son on the track about the 1,100-metre mark, Liam, and it looked like little corks. So what have you done to the track there? Just explain what you did straight after the race and for the next few weeks going forward for your maintenance of your track.
Speaker 12Yeah, so big week for the team this week. We carry out our annual renovation. So we mow the track down to two and a half inches. We pull out cores in the track that are 110 mil deep, and that gets us down to the drainage layer that's actually in the track, which allows the track to drain as well as it does. We sweep up all the cores. We then scarify the turf. Top dress it with the same specks of sand that's currently in the track at the moment. Then we seed it, 30-drain it, and then we let it rest until we trial in mid-December and then race New Year's Eve. So the maintenance works that we do, you know, allow the track to perform how it does.
Speaker 10I mentioned before, just give us a quick update on the 42 acres that's under growth at Pakenham and how that's travelling and what your process is going to be, in theory, this day next year.
Speaker 12Yeah, so this day next year, we'll be actually, physically ripping up all the turf on the track. We'll be taking off the top 70 millimetres of turf and organic matter, and then we'll be adding some sand and amendments and then rolling out brand new turf. So the track's 20 years old now. When we do that re-turf, it'll be 21 years old. So it'll be right in the sweet spot to essentially give us a brand new track again and get us through the next 20 years.
Speaker 2And this is another question coming through. Well, if you're going to aerate the outside two lanes, why wouldn't you aerate all of the track? Or is that just doesn't make sense?
Speaker 12Yeah, so what that would do, that would effectively be racing on a soft five or soft six because that ground isn't compacted. So it's going to soften up a lot easier, whereas the ground that we're compacting is basically a firm, sorry, the ground that we're aerating is basically a firm two. So we're dropping it, you know, two ratings, whereas the rest of it, you'll be dropping it into the soft range. So, yeah, and it's important for, for people to know, Garrett, this is nothing new. We've done this for every single race meeting for the last eight years. And probably on Saturday, the track was getting quite tired by having cocks played and rain on every race day. So, yeah, we certainly were at our maximum point of how many horses we could have on the track. That's for sure.
Speaker 2Well, a lot of love coming through for you on the Garrett's Horse and Hound text line, Liam. You've done a wonderful job. A few text messages coming through if the VARC have a concern, Salton Sea Business for looking after different turfs. Could Liam come and have a look at my backyard? I'll pay him big money. There you go. That's from David. I don't know if you do that, Wayne. I mean, I mean, sorry, Liam. I don't know if you do that. Head out to people's backyards.
Speaker 10But anyway. I did that once. I did that once. I moved in the house I'm in right now. And Liam's boss, Mick Goody, was in charge. And I said, I've got this long nature strip. He's laughing because he's laughing now because he knows I'm going to say. It's about 30 metres long and about five metres wide. And I said, looks crap. He said, get a bucket and I'll give you the right stuff. So we went out to the middle to the big roller and he gave me the fertiliser. He said, put this on. And he told me what to do, how to do it, whatever. He still stuffed it up? No. Well, about five weeks later, it was like Jack and the Beanstalk. I had to mow the bloody thing that many times. It just went whoosh. And everyone was driving past going, how the hell did you grass the lot of that? I said, mate, that's Fleming's and Coors proper, my friend.
Speaker 2Now, well done, Liam. Thanks for your time as always, mate. Congratulations on what your team and yourself have done over the last couple of weeks, especially having that extra. Meeting on Cox Plate Day. And even John O'Neill's praising you. He says, the bloke is a jet. The industry, very lucky to have him. So good on you, mate. Well done, Liam.
Speaker 12No, it was a great week, Gareth. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 10Good on you, mate. You know what? Have a good day, mate. Ask of Vail or Lamaro's. You're going as Batman and Kylie's going as Robin. Isn't this Mad Monday for you?
Speaker 12No. No, not quite. We'll get the Renault done and then we'll go and have a drink for sure.
Speaker 2Thanks, Liam. Liam O'Keefe. It's 10.48 or 48 minutes past 10. We'll have a break and we'll come back with. With our oh, no's and yes, yes, yes's. We've got plenty of text messages coming through on the Gareth's Horse and Hound text line. Morning, Gareth. The volume of constant discussions and opinions about changing races is ridiculous. Morning, boys. I'd argue that any of those big, four, could have, um, big four. I don't know. I've got, we've got to read out. You're going to have a look at these text messages. It's bloody hard to read. I'll take a break. I'll have a look at them and then I'll come back. This is Giddy Up on this Monday. Great for you, Gareth.
Speaker 6Sing it, Gary. Oh, no. See you walking around like it's a funeral.
Speaker 10What have you got for us? You know what? We could have 1,000, but I've only got one. Yeah. Do we have the audio or not yet? Yeah, we do. Let's play it.
Speaker 5250 to go. Proxima Dea in front of Lincoln and a corner. Miama's trying to wear her back, and then came shameful impulse. Proxima Dea, 100 metres to go. She's tough. She led by two legs, and they won't get her. Proxima Dea on the Oaks. Proxima Dea first from shameful impulse.
Speaker 10How's that a no-no? It wasn't. Okay. But the bloke on top was. What, Zach Lloyd? Absolute slaughter. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do you know what? I think the odds. Let's call it out. No, no, this is my part, not yours. This is mine, not yours. Let me have first say, and you can have a right to reply. Johnny, you sound like Johnny O'Neill. Mate, what a horse. What an effort to do what she's done. But why don't you just jump and just go forward? You were three wide, four wide, three wide, trying to get in. Got in at the half mile, and then you were off before you straightened up for home. It wasn't a great ride. Now, you know what? It's not very often this year that I've actually bagged a jockey for riding. Now, I don't normally do that, but I just thought it was just an absolute shocker. So my point, don't start texting until I finish saying what I'm going to say. Shows you what good horses can do. They're pretty ordinary behind it, let's be fair. And it just had panels and panels and panels on them. But it certainly wasn't one of Zach's greats. That's for sure and certain. Now, before you have a go at me, go and watch the replay. He should have jumped and just gone straight forward. And because it flew the start and gone straight across, other horses would have come around. It wouldn't have led the whole way. And even if it hadn't led, it still wouldn't have mattered. But you've got to, because the thing is this. If it got beat. Everyone would have been up in arms. But no one calls it. But I'm going to call it. And I love Zach Lloyd. John Hawks put Zach Lloyd on before even his boss, James Cummings, was putting him on. John Hawks labelled him as the next J-Mac when he was a kid claiming three.
Speaker 2Do you know what? Sometimes I think when you're on the best horse clearly in a race like Zach was with Proxima Dea, just even if you have to ride it ugly, ride her ugly and stay out of trouble. Like sometimes Huey did that with Winx. Just before, why without Cummings? Well, he didn't always ride her good.
Speaker 10That's what I mean. He nearly got a, what was this? Cox Plate with. The Turnbull Stakes. No, the Cox Plate with B-Shin. Humidor. Yeah, that was not great that day. But just like keep her out of trouble. Where Zach was lucky was they didn't go hard. And that was why he was caught wide. Not saying you can, but it's easier to be wide facing the breeze when you're not going hard. But even then, she should have still sat and waited.
Speaker 2Why I know is Izzy Neal. Obviously she. Fell there at Warren yesterday. And we mentioned this before, but our prayers and thoughts with everyone involved in the racing game, especially in New South Wales and to Izzy's family and her friends and her racing family. She's in a critical condition, still at the Dubbo Hospital. They went to the participants today that were competing at Scone and well under racing New South Wales for moving quickly on this. And the participants didn't feel that they were, they were right to compete there at Scone today. So they've postponed that meeting. And this is the toughest part of the game.
Speaker 10Wayne. No doubt. Um, um, we're lucky. It doesn't happen very
Speaker 2often, but it does happen. And, um, absolutely doesn't.
Speaker 10Do you know what? I mean, this is not, and we
Speaker 2lost a horse yesterday as well with that fall, but we are thinking of Izzy and her family.
Speaker 10We, we are very lucky. This happens very, very rarely because the truth is you probably got more chance of getting hurt in a car crash than what you do in a horse race. The statistics are actually there that, uh, it doesn't happen very often, but, uh, when it does, it affects all of us. There's no. No doubt about it now, you know, whether you know, or whether you don't, you, uh, your heart goes out to them.
Speaker 2So our thoughts with everybody involved there with Izzy and, um, yeah, we'll pray for her today. It's quickly approaching 58 minutes past 10. We'll take a break. We've got the drive-by segment. The yes, yes, yes. Is before we wrap up a massive Monday means test on this Monday morning. It's 10:58. Giddy up always brought to you by Bet365.
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Speaker 2We welcome our friends joining us on SEN Turf right throughout WA. They're carnival not far away, Wayne. You're coming to us at the end of the Monday means test. Johnny O'Neill's still partying. He's pulled up a little crook, so he didn't join us today. He'll be back next week. Does he have a doctor's certificate?
Speaker 10No, we'll get that off him. He's won Melbourne Cups.
Speaker 2He's won. For a man that works here for free, I don't know if we can ask for one.
Speaker 10Well, you know what? You've got an obligation.
Speaker 2A lot of people missing him today. Now, Wayne, are you going to Perth? I've actually missed him.
Speaker 10I've actually missed Johnny this morning. Are you going to Perth? No. No, but nothing good enough to go. Grand Larceny? No, he's going to the paddock. Wish I had something good enough to go to Perth. Money's getting good over there. When you're running races worth 1.5 million, you're attracting us from the eastern seaboard to head over towards the west. You know what? I heard Ben Hayes earlier talking. He was taking one horse over there. You know what? Ben Hayes doesn't need to take seven. He only needs to take one. If he can take one and do what they did last year, win a Perth Cup, you know what? It's a great effort.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, yes. Paul Sebastiani killed it over the carnival hosting trackside. Gareth, your new use of the flat cap. I'm a big fan. You and your wife, fiancée, scrubbed up nicely on Saturday. Got on your Clousey. Speaking of yes, yes, yeses, we better get stuck into them now.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, yes!
Speaker 6Yes, yes, yes! Yes, yes, yes!
Speaker 2What was the text message? That was a text message. We just read it out. What, the you scrubbed up, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, what about your yes, yeses? Who's that from your mum? My yes, yes, yes is, as I said, it's the best carnival in the world. When you have a look at the people that attend our carnival, it is the biggest week regarding attendances in world racing, and that's something that we should be really proud of. And it's not just Flemington. Melbourne Cup Day is the biggest day for most clubs. Around the country. Even some metropolitan race clubs, which surprise me. Eagle Farm. Eagle Farm is massive. Eagle Farm is bigger than, yeah, say, Stradbroke Day.
Speaker 10Yep, yep, correct. It's Melbourne Cup Day nationally. I still reckon it should be a public holiday nationally myself, but Melbourne Cup Day for lots and lots of clubs, it is their ching-ching of the year.
Speaker 2It's been a good couple of months for racing, Wayne. What about your yes, yes, yes, yes?
Speaker 10You're right, mate. You've had a long haul. Yes, yes! You know what? You've had more runs at Cosmic Crusader and that's actually saying something. Hayes boys on Saturday, they followed the money and they got it right. So they went to Sydney and they won two big races in Sydney on Saturday, and Ben Hayes said to me, do you like your two-year-olds? I said, yeah, I do. I said, Torshaven is a pretty fair horse. He said, oh, he said, we like ours. I said, oh, that's good. He said, oh, no. I said, but do you really? He said, no, no, no, I really do like this horse. So, and he was, he was right. So it'll be a good form race, that race. Any, any two-year-old race worth a million dollars is going to attract the best horses, and that's what it did. That'll be a big, big form race, the golden gift. So, well done to the Hayes boys for going to Sydney on Champions Day and nailing it with two winners. 90 minutes of racing. I don't think there's a better 90 minutes of racing would there be on Saturday than what we had to go group one into group one into group one, with every race had stars in it. We didn't miss too many stars not being there. That's why they call it Champions Day. Absolutely. I mean, she's an alibi, wasn't there. But I mean, what else wasn't there, really? There'd be one or two, but there's not many. You know, Johnny's nemesis, Chair Wolf, he wasn't there, but you know what? They're probably the only two big names I can think of. Yeah, I'm sure there were. A few of the
Speaker 2sprinters weren't, but.
Speaker 10Yeah, but there's not many. So, realistically, the day has really, really worked and, you know, if you want to go and see the best horses, the best horses are on the last day at Flemington, and you're, when I was in Adelaide on Cox Plate Day, you have got a massive following in Adelaide. The Gluis team was so good with Andrew Gluis' horse, watched me win, winning, and I did think of those young lads. They are out of control, those blokes in Adelaide. Ah, sensational. You know what? As bad a hat as what you wore that week, they actually wanted me to bring that hat over. Okay. So I couldn't risk getting into trouble going through customs and then ask me what this hat was.
Speaker 2Simon Zara got a winner there on Cup Day, well, I mean, on Champions Day, well, under Simon, you're made in your trainer's hut there at Flemington. I think one of the best things is that, yeah, okay, Kieran and Chris dominated.
Speaker 10And did dominate, yes. Just on that, with Chris Waller
Speaker 2and, um, what a carnival he had, Chris Waller and Jay Mack. Um, but Benny Mellon rode extremely well for Waller and Kieran Marr. Like, they're just dominating at the moment.
Speaker 10But it was, so what I was going to say was, as good as, they have the best horses collectively, Kieran and Chris. So they're always going to dominate. There's no ifs, buts, and maybes. But I think, it was spread far and wide. It was, uh, you know, there were lots and lots of horses that, uh, that did well. Danny O'Brien's thing, did get beat at Kighton on Wednesday and then come out and won a group. Son, give, please explain. Won a group, uh, a group race on the weekend. That was a massive, uh, massive training effort to, to run nowhere at Kighton to come out and do that. But across the board, it was, uh, it was so far and widely spread and, um, it's probably got to be the biggest oh no, but when the Wizard won the, uh, won the last on Tuesday, then he won the last on Thursday, everyone was going, oh, you know, backpike in the last. It is the greatest myth of all time. Like going into the last race, it's quite, it's quite a, you're laughing, but it's quite amazing, Gareth, that, you know, everyone, everyone loves backing the Wizard in the last race, but, um.
Speaker 2And there was a couple of, um, there was one more, yes, yes, yes. Frankie and his team at, um, Race Day TV, they did a mighty job. Obviously, they go around the, the world covering all of the big racing carnivals, and I thought that they took our, our racing industry to a different audience there with the, the job that they did on social media. The drive-by for a clearer, safer drive, stop- Claire, with a molded dash mat,
Speaker 10dashcovercompany.com.au. Well, I've got a little grab, so can we just play this one, please?
Speaker 13We've got about 100 owners here covering, they're pretty excited, but. That's one of the bigger owners. Oh, you're one of the bigger owners. This is, this is what happens when we get the So, Kate Watts
Speaker 10was interviewing Michael King Jr., and, um, um, what's the racing, um. My racehorse. My racehorse have got micro-shares, so there'd be 3,000 shares in a racehorse.
Speaker 2But sometimes they have different owners. And this is. So they might have 30%.
Speaker 10Okay, this woman came in out of nowhere, just standing there to get her head on the, uh, on the TV, which, which owners quite often, quite often, uh, quite often do. I saw Jack, uh. John O'Neill does it. Jack's. Oh, John O'Neill. Johnny O'Neill, what about you racing out there? Mate, he was faster than Cathy Freedman in the Olympic Games to get out there and grab that lead and lead that horse in. Good on you. So he should. He's been in the game long enough. The, uh, so, so this lady said, I'm one of the bigger owners that just, just the way she said it. Look, can we put it, I think, I think we'll be able to put it up on the SEN track, uh, Twitter and platform. I think, I think we deserve to.
Speaker 2Tira and Jada was the horse. It's a mare by American Farrah. My racehorse are part owners. There's several other owners. So they might only own 30 or 40% of her. They might. And they might be owners that have got 10 or 15%. So she's probably one of those owners. It was just the way, just the way. She did it,
Speaker 10yeah. So, so the question that we all want to know is, how much of that horse do you actually own? Yeah. If she was a listener, she's probably not going to be now. She's probably turned off by now. But, uh, I thought that was, uh, that was quite, quite funny. It was a bit of PI double five take. I thought that was, uh, that was one of the best. And do you know what, to be fair to Kate Watts from Racing.com, she handled it so, so well to be fair to Kate.
Speaker 2She's a star. Hey, it's been a lot of fun. That was the drive-by for a clearer, safer drive. Stop Dash Claire with a molded dash mat. Dashcovercompany.com.au. One of the supporters of racing and, um, Ray and his team at Dash Cover. We appreciate your support here on Giddy Up. Got a lot on your way. Any winners for something for the
Speaker 10battlers? Um, while I'm thinking about that, I said to Johnny on Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday. Yeah, you are a bogan. I'm a bogan. Hey, what are you, bagging bogans now? No, I'm not. I am a bogan. Oh, now you're a Parkdale. I'm one of those bogans. Now you live in Parkdale 3195 in the leafy beach suburbs. You think you're better than us? Um, I forget what I was going to say now. What about that on radio? You forget what you're going to say? About something about Wednesday or something. On Wednesday morning, I said to Johnny, I picked up, I said, this is the cup. He said, it's a cup. I picked it up. And I said, mate, this bloody thing would be the greatest COVID spreader of all time. He said, mate, that's not true. He said only 4,000 people drank out of it last night. So, of course, I got crook as well. I got the runny nose and the whatever, so. Runny nose for you, mate. Well, you know what? At the end of the day, it's, uh, we're all there hugging and kissing and uh, doing what we do on, uh.
Speaker 2What? What do you mean? That'll be cut up there. We're all hugging and kissing. Who's all hugging and kissing? At the races, when you've seen people, you don't normally say, yeah, I beg your pardon. You were in the committee room
Speaker 10and what do you mean you're hugging and kissing everyone up there? Well, I'm talking about during the week. Oh, okay. Well, that was the amazing thing with COVID. Lots of things like common colds and flus sort of stopped. Obviously, COVID was there, but there were lots of that sort of stuff that, uh, that didn't happen in COVID. I mean, there were stacks. Crime was down. Drugs were down. Prostitution was down. Thought I'd just throw that one in. You think about it during COVID.
Speaker 2Before you get in trouble, I gotta let you know, have
Speaker 10a great day. I'll have whatever day I want. Don't tell me to have a great day. Something for the battlers. for the battlers. Uh, the blade. He's running in the, in the Hunter on Saturday. Okay. Hopefully he draws a good barracks. He's had no, he's had luck this time and it's called bad luck. So. Yeah. All right. The Hunter in Sydney on Saturday.
Speaker 2Hopefully Johnny will get better. And we appreciate you coming on Giddy Up as always. Thanks Gary. 10 minutes past 11. We'll take a break. We'll come back with our breakdowns of that Sydney meeting at Rose Hill. And also we'll take a close look at Ascot there with Peter Anthemis.
Speaker 1It's now time for the Monday breakdown with Mick Gannon.
Speaker 2Wayne Hawks are a disgraceful human being. Is that? Wayne Hawks has just left my room. I've never smelled anything like it. Wayne Hawks, you disgusting man. Oh, anyway, I apologize for that, but he's disgusting. Oh, Mickie Gannon, hello to you. I apologize to everyone for carrying on like that, but he just left me in a really difficult predicament. I've never had anything. Excuse me. It's not like I can leave rooms. I have to stay here. It's like entrapment. Anyway, Mickie, how are you? That's a disgraceful way. Anyway. How are you going, Mick? How did you recover?
Speaker 14Yeah, really good. Thank you, Jay. It was a great week down there and a good two weeks, really. I really enjoyed the time. The carnival was fantastic. Hopefully a few horses to follow from Rose Hill Garden. Which was a really good meeting up there. It's nearly Five Diamonds Day. When you're watching across the day, you probably could have been forgiven to think that there was a little bit of sort of up and in pattern, but a lot of it just had to do with race shape. So full credit to the team there at Rose Hill Gardens. And we speak about it all the time. When the rail's in a true position, it comes down to race shape and their track played really, really well.
Speaker 2What about horses to follow, mate? It was a big day for Lindsay Park.
Speaker 14Yeah, it certainly was. And those horses, you know, they've got the job done. I think we can. You know, speak to the winner there evaporating the five diamonds. I think that was just a really good ride. Right place, right time. There's some horses in that race. So welcome to the show. Just like they went too slow for welcome to the show. We thought with Froggy going on, they'll look to be more positive. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. He'd be the one you want to follow for the race. But if you're going to continue to be negative in run and sort of ride for luck like they did two back and then obviously get too far back off in this time, you're going to find it hard to win races. So show some intent. He's a really good horse. And then. And then obviously we talked about that two-year-old G. Act up. Really good win. Act up. So back and had to make up ground. I think there's a lot more merit in the performance as well. So on ratings, that race didn't rate that well. But he's a colt that I think you can follow because he had a fair bit against him in the run and he was able to make up good ground. Torch Avon was pretty good. Yeah, had a few issues at 600 metres. I think might have been half galloped on and had a bit of an issue there with silent intent. So him, Jenny in Rome, she was pretty good and good luck pronouncing this horse. Let me go with it. Char Joie. That's it.
Speaker 2That is it.
Speaker 14Yeah, that is it. Beautiful. For the O'Shea and Charlton team, I thought she was exceptional. If you go back and watch her replays, she's got a lot of talent, this horse. I'd imagine just looking now, she's out for a spell. She was wide. She still made up ground on debut for a horse to do what she did. She should have finished 20 legs last. The fact that she kept on putting in and only beaten five and a half legs, I think she's got a future. So we'll follow her. We'll put her in the black book and I think we'll get a good price about her next time out, G. I was listening to the means test with Wayne and even Liam and people sort of say, you don't want to give the punters too much information. The punters should get every piece of information. And I know and most, you know, a lot of the participants do, not all of them clearly, know that they're outside, four lanes are, you know, irrigate, sorry, what would you call it? Aerated or what's the term that Liam used? Aerated, yep. Yeah, yep, aerated. There's another term as well that they called it, the version of it, but it escapes me now. But that should just be listed in all the track conditions. So there's no reason that they don't. They do it in Sydney and we don't get to hear about it. And they only do it occasionally. They don't do it all the time, but I know they do it at Caulfield down the outside fence and they do it at F-Time Intern as well. It really wouldn't be that hard when you go to RYZA and it says track conditions and there's a comment section, put it there. It's very simple stuff.
Speaker 2Yeah, it happens every meeting as Liam points out. But sometimes when the rain's around, it just softens it up more than other parts of the track.
Speaker 14But yeah. But Gareth, every meeting's okay for you and I. But what about the mums and the dads who want a little bit more information and they don't bet in every meeting and this is the first I've heard about it. We need to at least say, well, the information was available to you. Yeah. I don't know. Very easy. It's on RYZA. They get to put a comment on certain things.
Speaker 2It's a difficult one. It's very easy to do, Gareth. But they, yeah, I don't think we'll ever see a few of those horses beating those mares again, basically, what happened there on Saturday. But it is what it is.
Speaker 14The solution's really simple. There's a comment section on RYZA where they put their comments in. The track curators or whoever's doing it from each club everywhere across Australia under track conditions, just write that in the comments. And then that way it's all there for everyone to see. Good on you, Mickey. It's a vertigrain too. Gee, is what I was looking for. Yes. It may have escaped me.
Speaker 2Yeah. But I don't, yeah, it is what it is. And we've talked about it enough this morning. But at the end of the day, you've got to find the best possible part of the track when we head down the straight. And we worked that out there on Saturday because, yeah, it's a game of inches, isn't it?
Speaker 14Yeah, it certainly is. And that's why I pay you to do your form and do your track analysis. And for someone who spends a lot of time looking at track patterns, Gareth, and how things are going to play, I think it's really important that the more information, the better.
Speaker 2100%. Good on you, Mickey. Thanks for that, mate. Thank you, Jay. There's Mickey Gannon. 18 minutes past 11. We'll break down that meeting at Ascot next here on Giddy Up.
Speaker 1This is Giddy Up with Gareth, Gareth Hall. It's now time for the Monday Breakdown with Pete Anthonis.
Speaker 2Hello to you, Pete. Welcome to Giddy Up once again as we break down Ascot. But don't forget, this Saturday, it's Group 1 CFL Stakes Day and it headlines a big 10 race program at Sportsbet Sandown. This is November 14. Tickets are just $15 at Ticket Tech. Pete, hello to you. It's basically nearly Pinnacles time now. Can't wait for, what, less than two weeks away we have Railway Stakes Day and those horses will be getting on that plane Sunday or Monday next week. It, of course, heads out of Sydney. So it'll be interesting what horses actually are heading to WA for the Pinnacles.
Speaker 15Yeah, absolutely, G. We've got the Champion Fillies and the Placid Arc this Saturday to kick things off and, look, it's only going to get hotter from there. But, yeah, you're exactly right. Who gets on that plane is going to be absolutely vital. The railway is looking quite thin at the moment, must be said, so if there's any Eastern States trainers, especially ones with horses that might settle on pace, send them over because it's looking a little bit thin at the top end there in the railway. But outside of that, the Northerly is looking an absolute cracker at this stage.
Speaker 2The Placid Arc Stakes, five Gigi Coles at $325 there with bet $365. Achy Brakey, $750. Beatty, $750. Then you've got Lavardy de Mezzo at $750. And one last resort, this is the horse that Pikey, William Pike, is riding on Saturday. At $9. So looking forward to that Placid Arc Stakes there on Saturday.
Speaker 15Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? That Pike's sided with one last resort. I suspect he would have had the opportunity to ride a fire of Gigi Coles, but hopefully that means that Lucy Fiore can retain that ride there on the Colt. So look, the market looks pretty well established now, doesn't it? They're the obvious top four. Achy Brakey's going to have the blinkers on for the first time. Lavardy de Mezzo, one last resort. They've both got claims in terms of what they've been producing and a fire of Gigi Coles. Gigi Coles is a natural favourite. So I don't think Beatty would be going towards that race. I think it's fair to say he'll be going to the Guineas. So it just comes down to barriers now. So yeah, we'll find that out hopefully in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2King of Lights, the favourite for the railway at 3.25. Cosmic Crusader. Who knows? Bob says he's not going there, but he might change his mind with Cosmic Crusader. Buckaroo, they're going to make a decision in the next couple of days whether they go both railway and northerly. Hot and High at 7.50. Rockfest at 7.50. Pericles at 9.00. Tom Kidd, it's an at 11. I don't think Tom's going there. Western Empire at 11. Western Miss has got to get into the race. Evaporates definitely not going there. So that's a look at the railway. It is a bit light on, but King of Light, how good is King of Light? I think my mail is William Pike desperately wants to get back on him. And he dominated the steer stakes there on Saturday over the 1,400 metres.
Speaker 15He's just doing what he needs to do so far this preparation. I think that's the best way to put it. I don't think he's suited necessarily in these slowly run, messy roads races that we've seen. in the lead-up so far to the railway but again he might very well get that in the railway stakes either way so again he's a horse that isn't doing anything wrong he deserves to be favorite but there's a few of those horses like a hot and high like a rock fest i think in particular who's really exciting and potentially you just switch some of these barriers around well potentially they might be able to knock off king of light i don't think there's necessarily that much between them um which is a little bit difficult to try and you know extract the the best of these horses when they're not going at high tempo we see that with cosmic crusader he's the best horse in australia with a race of tempo but whether or not he gets that that's up for debate depends who's leading the race so look i think a few of these sources we're going to be chopping and changing according to how the maps work out do
Speaker 2you think he deserves to be this short in the market there we bet 365 in the railway king of light at 325 uh i
Speaker 15understand why is this short in terms of pure figures i think there's a few others that are just as competitive um i've really really like rock fest as a horse okay but again i think he's a horse that's really talented when he's got tempo in the race that's a it's a lot of the ifs at the moment and the railway is not looking like a race that's going to have a
Speaker 2lot of speed um excuse me beaty wins the freeth and stakes and did it pretty easily in the end like he never looked like getting beat lucy fiore took the ride on beaty my horse godspeed i'm a bit nervous now pete he didn't go like a horse that would be winning a guineas there on saturday
Speaker 15no potentially just didn't get the race shape quite right there leading um i'm still waiting for some of the numbers to come through so i can check out the mid race in particular but you know had to work just that little bit early to cross season machino which once he found the front godspeed they just slowed right up into the corner this is my one concern with beaty so far this prep we're talking about the horse that's even money for the guineas right and we don't know if any of the fillies are going to be going to their that race profit motive i expect we'll go to the champion fillies this week where she'll be a dominant favorite but then does she back up into the guineas we're not sure roger had the barrier trial there pre-race by running around by himself hopefully all is well with him but yeah the market is somewhat overestimating baity just purely in terms of these being blessed the first two runs back this preparation he's got the right race shape you can't fault the horse he's the right favorite but again is there that much difference between him roger at his best and then potentially profit motive if she makes a field i don't think there is so it's going to come down again to if baity drew barrier 9 10 something like that and roger drew barrier 4 or 5 well i'd be leaning to roger at the
Speaker 2price so ben it's a concern what happened to roger on saturday i mean
Speaker 15is it well we were so very sustained to drop j mac and have a run around i know that was the way it goes but you know i'm not that concerned as long as he hasn't done any harm to himself he would have just had a run around it's not ideal don't get me wrong
Speaker 2but he's a dollar he still had the numbers on the board baity dollar 83 with bet 365 profit motive 5 roger at 6 treasured legacy at 11. he's a dollar 83 he still had the numbers on the board baity dollar 83 with bet 365 profit motive 5 roger at 6 treasured legacy at 11. he's a dollar 83 with bet 365 profit motive 5 roger at 6 treasured legacy at 11. godspeed out to 15 um so there you go one last resource at 17 so it'd be interesting to see what horses back up there from the placid arc um western empire how is he going at the moment i wonder if pike will jump back and board him in a
Speaker 15railway i wouldn't think so um i would say as you said he would be looking for king of light first and foremost but if he can't get the right on king of light for whatever reason then surely western empire is going the next best of those horses he didn't have things necessarily to suit maybe obviously so sitting leaders back in a messy race and he had to take time to get off the heels but i mean he has just been such a consistent horse for what the last four years now i mean he just keeps going and again he has probably a little bit more versatility than some of those other rivals in a railway so if he drew say four or five seats perfect he can sit forward of midfield and he can be one of the first horses to present there in the straight and he's just such a tough horse to get past at the best of times because he handles all conditions so look um we're talking about a horse that's going to be a little bit more of a in terms of it being potentially thin on numbers well you look at the locals and he's one of the more consistent performed of all of those hey
Speaker 2pete on wednesday i haven't told you this but we're going to do our future show for the wa pinnacles carnival at 11 o'clock so eight o'clock eastern or western time um and i'll have enough time to ring around and say who's getting on that plane so we should have all of the the mail regarding what eastern state horses are going because there's a
Speaker 15few does that mean
Speaker 2all of hey does that mean
Speaker 15all of the odds will have shortened by the time we get to do the show i'll just be watching the numbers just flip down i won't
Speaker 2tell anyone who's going and who's not going but i think most of the information that we've gotten with we've told everyone um as much as we know at the moment but what will cosmic crusader do what will buckaroo do will pride of jenny be fit enough what's jigsaw going to do so there's a few questions that need to be answered regarding the preparation of a few of those sources that compete in the eastern states i know that it's and i've talked to rara about this as well is that they would prefer the flight to go from melbourne and sydney in a way but because there's more numbers than nine and ten that they have to go from sydney that they can't get a bigger flight um to to leave melbourne so yeah i think most of most of the good horses will be coming from melbourne so now they've got to fight up to sydney and then get on a flight and then head to head to um wa so it'll be interesting to see what horses do come now um to wa but we'll find out over the next couple of days
Speaker 15yeah it does sound like a logistical nightmare doesn't it and look obviously with the spring carnival in new south wales and victoria seemingly getting longer every year pushing more into november and even into december you do wonder whether or not pushing the railway back a week would actually be beneficial um long term to attracting more eastern states horses because at the end of the day um we need the ratings to be sustained for that horse to remain for that race to remain a group one so um potentially there might have to be some thought put into that behind the scenes
Speaker 2good on you pete horses that we need to be following from that saturday meeting
Speaker 15uh zentaro out of last year and that's a horse that i've had plenty of time for looking to drop back to a thousand or maybe the 1100 but zentaro is probably the one that i've found so far on the
Speaker 2replays and it was good to see our girl can run um winning again over that 1200 meters and she did it pretty easily in the end yeah she
Speaker 15just basically found the front there uh came off a run where she was very quick tempo there first up and wrong part of the track it was difficult to lead there on the day but uh no she's certainly come back and that looks like it might be the best figure of the day uh from our scott so like i said just waiting for some of the numbers to come through but as far as i've got so far on the raw times our girl can run it's the best of the day well
Speaker 2done with snip x you're all over that debutant there for simon miller chris uh panama board in that two-year-old race and how good's this prince of dala fest jay miller
Speaker 15oh that was so soft wasn't look the horse obviously went through a very uh searching first preparation and passed a lot of that with flying colors so yeah that's uh that's a horse i need to actually have a good look at
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Speaker 2It's 40 minutes past 11. Great to have your company on this Monday. It's been a big show. If you miss any of our segments on Giddy Up, all you need to do is subscribe to Giddy Up with Gareth Hall with your local podcast subscriber. You can watch the means test as well on YouTube. You just, um, you need to subscribe to us at SCN Track and you can watch the YouTube and a few of our other, segments throughout the week there on YouTube there on SCN Track. We're about to catch up with Jane Ivel. They had a big meeting there at Rickerton on Saturday. It was the start of the big cup week. Obviously, they've got the New Zealand Trotting Cup there tomorrow at Addington. The Australian horses dominate the market with Leap to Fame an odds-on favourite there with Bet365. Swayze's in the market getting a big prize for Kingman as well. So good luck to everybody involved. Gus is the favourite in the Dominion Trot. So looking forward to seeing how it all unfolds there in the New Zealand Trotting Cup there tomorrow. They've got 2000 Guineas Day and New Zealand Cup Day next Saturday. Angels, Halo, of course, an upset there in the 1000 Guineas on Saturday. It was a big effort. Holly Elliott prepares and defeated Dashing Dixie and Asturia was the horse there that finished third. So we'll get to Jane Ivel in just a moment to have a chat about what happened there at Rickerton. We'll get to it on Saturday. But it was a terrific night of greyhound racing on Saturday night at the Meadows. It was the start of the Dream Chasers Festival. And Georgie Farooja joins us here, our greyhound racing expert on Giddy Up. Georgie, hello to you. G'day, Gareth. How are you, mate? Where do we start? Wrongly accused, first of all. This is what wrongly accused did in the Top Gun Sprinters on Saturday.
Speaker 16Away, speed out deep from off the chart and wrongly accused, but off the chart led for fun. Can you talk now through to second? Just getting checked, Storm Hustler getting past it. Wrongly accused, trying to push through Jungle Johnny. Well-backed Mpunga Award. Can you mayhem? Pound keeping last. Off the chart, the leader. Can you talk now's after it? Wrongly accused was third. Storm Hustler running on. Off the chart in front. Can you talk now? And flying wrongly accused through the middle to win it. What a run. What a run.
Speaker 2What a bloody dog he is, wrongly accused. Yes. He started $5 box eight, they thought, with the pace inside of him. He might be in some trouble, George. He got across well enough. He still copped a bump there as they went out of the straight the first time. And then he had to check off hills. And he was still able to get the job done down the straight. What a dog he is when he always needs a little bit of luck. But there's no doubt he is the best dog in the land when he gets that luck.
Speaker 17Yeah, look, and full disclosure, Gareth, I did have a text message from the, a connection saying, is Gareth going to retract a little bit with what he said during the week in regards to whether he could win the race or not? But in fairness to you, Gareth, I know it's a little bit of tongue-in-cheek. I know you know he's a superstar. But I had my doubts out of box eight too because I just didn't, there was going to be a lot of speed in the race. And if you notice on that first corner, as you rightly mentioned, Storm Huffer got on his back twice and could have absolutely ended his race. And he's got this uncanny knack, wrongly accused of finding, trouble on that first corner. I mean, I think it's fair to say, Gareth, if he can avoid that trouble, he almost becomes, well, not unbeatable, but he's going to win more races than he loses.
Speaker 2Well, he is unbeatable, isn't he, Georgie? If he doesn't find trouble, he wins races like that because he's just better than him. But, like, he's going to, like, he still needs a lot of luck, doesn't he, in his races. And he's a star. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 17Yeah, it was the run of a superstar, Gareth. Correct. To your point, his first split was 5.11. So, if you're going to run those splits, more often than not, there's going to be some sort of interference. And, again, I was speaking to owner Darren Puglio, who said, I don't mind him from out wide. That might be his caper where he just stays out of a little bit of trouble, Gareth. But, I mean, he's run home. Again, he was going that fast in the home straight that he had to check off heels off the chart. That could have cost him as well. But his chasing ability, the dog owes us nothing in a sense that he's had not even 20 starts. He's a two-time Group One winner already and a track record holder. I mean, he's an absolute gun. He'll go in as favourite in regards to the Phoenix. Now, of the other runners, I think Anthony Azapati would be absolutely wrapped with Kenya Talk now. I mean, that was a very, very good field. And he probably didn't get out as well as we know he can. And I thought he got to the line really well in 29.72. And we know what off the chart brings. I mean, he's going to absolutely devil may care in those first two splits. But if there's a dog close enough, Gareth, they're going to get him. But take nothing away from wrongly accused. Yes. I mentioned, I mentioned it on Twitter, Gareth. He's one of those greyhounds that people are absolutely going to jump over him when he goes to start. He is so well-bred. And if he keeps putting in performances like that, I'd love to see him over 600 metres too, Gareth, even for one or two starts.
Speaker 2They wouldn't beat him over 600. But well under Darren Puglio and the team. Hey, but I'd still love to take them on in a Phoenix. Like, I think he, I'd love to take him on. Like, he's the best dog in the country, as we keep on saying. We should try and get Darren on Wednesday. But he's gettable. He's gettable because he gives you an opportunity, I reckon. He gives you an opportunity. He was one stride away
Speaker 17from being out of that race. And you've got to hand it to the greyhound's chasing ability to get off the deck and do what he did. But you're right. Is he unbeatable? No, he's not. I mean, he's not a, he's never going to be a Fernando Bale, Gareth, that's going to run 492 and then you just can't catch him and that's that. He's going to always give you an opportunity. What about the Top Gun stayers, Gareth? And I hope people that were listening, got on. I mean, he blew out to $6. I don't think he could have been drawn any better, Aidan's Warrior. He was absolutely perfectly drawn. The red was always going to lead and he was always going to get the cart behind her. And he's a superior stayer. It's a beautiful child. McPie Hector's run was, is probably more on the disappointing side than I've seen of him for months, to be honest. I mean, he has been redlining. When he lobbed in the position, I said, oh, this is going to be close between him and Aidan's Warrior. But Aidan's Warrior kicked away running 42.25, which is very fast. But Pangalara, blew for fourth. And then, of course, of course, the big question now will Without a Trace be retired. Now, there's two ways of looking at this, Gareth. If you looked at it on the eye test, you'd think, yeah, that's pretty disappointing. She was third. She weakened out of it and finished fifth. She still ran 42.50, which is not a bad run. It's actually, you can actually win a lot of races doing that. Now, is it the Without a Trace of old? Of course it isn't. But they might want to kick on just for another couple of months, just on the basis of, look, the Boltrice is next week, Gareth. Why not just give her a roll of the dice and she could probably make a final? That was a step in the right direction. But the way Aiden's Warrior is going at the moment and Magpie Hector, she just can't beat those Greyhounds in the way they're going. And, of course, the Hume Cup. Talk about Greyhounds on the other side of four years of age. Vista Weird has been a terrific Greyhound for a long, long time. He logged in a really good position and he was just too strong in the run to the line against Gemma Keeping and No Stop Science. As we discussed, Gareth, it was always going to be a problem for House of Sins from Boxing. And you mentioned it too. A lot of those other fast Greyhounds just weren't well drawn. They're fast Greyhounds, but if you're not drawn well in a Group 1 race, you're going to find trouble. Great meeting. It doesn't stop there, Gareth. Obviously, next week, we've got heats of some very, very. Not this week, the week after, sorry. We've got heats of the Melbourne Cup and the Boltrice. But, yeah, maybe we should get Darren on because I think he does want to discuss his Greyhound wrongly accused.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I might cop a little bit, but this is what one of our listeners says and they sum it up perfectly when you can get $4 plus, among the cues, he's worth a punt. You had to back him there at $5. But when you're getting even money, it's a different story because he's an even money chance of getting into trouble over those free trips.
Speaker 17And, Gareth, I think a lot of people, and again, some people actually take it seriously with what you're saying. You know he's a very, very good dog, but you're just tongue-in-cheek and want to create a little bit of content here. But a lot of people agreed with you, Gareth. I mean, the fact that he blew out from $3 to $5, I mean, that's a fair drift. The other one was pound keeping, and I keep saying this, and whether people are, until they can prove me wrong, Gareth, those interstate greyhounds, I don't care how well they draw and how quick they are. If you only had one troll here at the meadow, she blew out to $8. There is no way I was tipping pound keeping in that race, only because you're taking on greyhounds who absolutely know every grain of sand at the meadows, and they're talented enough, but they're facing our best greyhounds on our home deck, and they're very, very hard to beat. And, again, a Victorian wins the Top Gun.
Speaker 2A hundred percent. Well done, Georgie. We'll get Darren Puglio on Wednesday. It should be fun with the weekly chase. Good on you, Georgie Ferugia. You can wake up in New Zealand Racing, kick your day off with a Kiwi bet. What's gambling really costing you? For free and confidential support, visit gamblinghelponline.org.au. Jane Ive will join. Just g'day, Jane. Hello. How are you? Angels Halo caused the upset there in the Thousand Guineas on Saturday at Rickerton.
Speaker 18Yeah, she certainly did. She was a surprise winner around the $30 mark, but it was an afternoon of firsts, so trainer Holly Winyard and jockey Nasa Hasazumi, who both picked up their first win at Group 1 level, so a great result for them. She's had an interesting preparation this Philly. She won really well, fresh up, and then she looked all right in behind Old Fashioned, finishing fourth in the Hawke's Bay Guineas, but she was really disappointing in the Sarton, which is a pretty key lead-up for the three-year-olds before they head down to Rickerton for the Guineas. So I think the market sort of forgot about her, or punters forgot about her, but blinkers went on, nasal strip went on, and she certainly, I think, bounced back, and she actually won quite emphatically in the end. It was a patient ride. Nasa sat three back on the fence. He waited for the gaps to open up the inside, which they did, and he won by three-quarters of a length in the finish, and it was a really nice result for everybody that was involved with her. Outside of the winner, Asturia, who was the short-priced favourite, she got a really good spot. She was midfield one-off. She was presented at the right time by Michael McNabb, had every chance, and Dashing Dixie, who finished in the placings, was really eye-catching again from the title of the field, probably the best run in the race, and run some really good sectionals. Asturia not backing up, I don't think, in the 2000 Guineas this Saturday, but Dashing Dixie might, and Lance O'Sullivan and Andrew Scott, they've got a strong team heading into the 2000 Guineas as well. But, of course, seventh individual group one winner for Poiseuille, who stands at Rich Hill Stud, and, as I said, an afternoon of firsts for them, so it was a nice result.
Speaker 2And what about Josh Charley? Is Josh Charley the horse to beat next week's New Zealand Cup?
Speaker 18Probably not for me. It'll be his third attempt at a New Zealand Cup. He's obviously been a Metropolitan winner previously, so back-to-back Metropolitan wins for him. He did get a heavy track last year. He finished 10th the year before he finished 4th in the race. I'm just not sure that he's a real two-miler, this horse. Very good over the Metropolitan trip of 2600, but I think the 3200 metres really sees him out. But it might be third-time lucky, and Kevin Myers, look, he's a genius when it comes to winning a New Zealand Cup, but he's probably not the horse that I'd be putting my money on at the weekend. He's actually in again on Wednesday at Ricketts, so it'll be interesting to see whether they line him up there. But from what I gather, they're definitely having another crack at the New Zealand Cup, which is going to be really interesting, actually. There's a bit of Australian interest in the New Zealand Cup next Saturday. Arthur Baskin, who ran Melbourne Cup Day for Tom Charlton and John O'Shea, OTI runner, he's already landed in New Zealand. He's going to run in the New Zealand Cup in Tejanas for Charlotte Littlefield. He's actually been in New Zealand for quite some time, trialled last week and is another one heading down to Ricketts. So there is some Australian interest in the New Zealand Cup next weekend.
Speaker 2Well, we might just take it all because we'll win all of the big trotting events tomorrow. There's nothing better than beating you Kiwis. I love it. You beat us up on so many occasions, and now you can't even get a winner in these feature races. I love reminding my New Zealand fans, well, and friends about that. And I think they're getting sick of it after.
Speaker 18Well, no, that's okay. I think you can rub it in because I do the opposite, and I rub it in when the Kiwis win in Australia. So you feel free. All right, then I will.
Speaker 2I'll leap to fame. Kingman, Swayze, they'll win the Trotters Cup. And then we've got Gus who will just dominate, I think. He'll dominate the Dominion handicap as well. So good luck to the New Zealanders. And Waikato started a big day there on Champions Day.
Speaker 18Yeah. Terrific result for Waikato started in their colours on, you know, what is arguably the best week of racing in Australia over Melbourne Cup week. And on Saturday, their colours saluted on two occasions. Sun Gift, obviously, was the big one, taking out the Group 2 Matriarch stakes for Danny O'Brien, a Savabelle mare who's certainly doing a really nice job for them. And then Superfabulistic, who looks like a progressive daughter of Super Seth, won earlier in the day. So. A nice result for Waikato started, particularly not only did they breed these gallopers, but they race in their colours as well. So great for the New Zealand breeders.
Speaker 2It is sensational. Good on you, Jane. We look forward to a big week in New Zealand, especially in the South Island there on this week.
Speaker 18Yeah, terrific week. Looking forward to Saturday. We'll be back later in the week to preview the New Zealand Cup win, New Zealand Cup day and 2000 Guineas Day at Wreck-It-In.
Speaker 2Thanks for that, Jane. There's Jane Ivel there. The annoying good performance, thanks to the week, thanks to National Tiles, annoyingly good products, prices and service. Paulie Sebastiani, which way do you think we should go?
Speaker 8Honestly, I know we've given him a lot of love in this segment, but it has to go to wrongly accused. I was there on Saturday night, Gareth. Over Birdman. Yep. We need to give our Greyhound participants a bit of love. Now, the way in which. Did you watch the head on? Yeah, he's a very smart dog to get away. So intelligent. So, so intelligent because he saved all the ground on the rail. And then as soon as he flattened out and caught side of the second lure on the outside, he just decided, nah, nah, I've got to veer off, chase that lure and defeat, uh, Kenya All Talk. I was on Kenya All Talk for a fair bit too,
Speaker 2so. You had a big day. You went to the Flemington, then to the Meadows, but he's a, he's good for the game wrongly accused. Brilliant. He's great. He's such an exciting dog. He is. I'm just disappointed we didn't get him for our slot in sports bet, but I'll be pulling his tail come Phoenix time. I think many of us in that, but it's one of those things in greyhound racing and you want him in a Melbourne cup final, but there is a possibility that he gets no luck in a Melbourne cup heat.
Speaker 8It's very true. Those get back run on types are, uh, are definitely conducive to, to needing luck, but he jumped quite well. He did on Saturday night.
Speaker 2It was exceptional. Really? That wide draw might help him. He sort of, if he misses it and goes five 11, say when he's drawn two or three, then he could find some trouble. He just needs luck at the start.
Speaker 8Imagine if he can somehow find a bit of early toe away from those,
Speaker 2the simply sensational performance of the week, the best text message wins a $100. A brewer's Port Melbourne voucher.
Speaker 8I went early with the clubhouse leader and he's got it. Damien wrongly accused of the, was a performance of the week in the top gun sprint. Never seen a greyhound jump like that over heels and win the way he did. So Damien, well done. I know we're giving wrongly accused a lot of love, but he, he well and truly deserves it.
Speaker 2Um, the New Zealand trotting cup there tomorrow leap to fame's a dollar 80. I think he's too short. He's the best horse in the race. And from all reports, he's absolutely flying and he's had a different campaign this time around leaning towards a New Zealand cup. He didn't come to Victoria for Victoria cup. So he's had a couple of runs in Queensland after he's into dominion victory and he's flying straight to New Zealand. He's the horse to beat. But if you get Swayze and Kingman leaders, leaders back, history tells you that he struggled to beat those horses under the circumstances, um, when they've been at their best. So I think you'll get better come tomorrow. Marketplace was an extraordinary, extraordinary effort there the other day. He's at five 50. I'll be surprised out of the top four leap to find marketplace, Swayze or Kingman. The winner doesn't come from those horses. Um, and Gus is a dominant favorite in the dominion handicap. Um, he should be winning that. You would imagine Gus, I don't know what price we're getting him. He's about a dollar 80. So you're not backing leap to fame. No, I'm not backing leap to fame. And I would love, I'd love for him to win. And cause I think it'd be great for the game. And he deserves to have the New Zealand cup on his resume. Cause he's in my eyes, he's the best place that I've ever seen in the game. But he does make it like it's not his fault because he lacks a little bit of gates, Gates B, but he, he sometimes has to do just a pair of work over these staying trips. And we've seen it in a hundred cup where he hasn't been able to get over the top of Swayze. He just keeps on running at a solid pace. Um, he has beaten Swayze before and he's beaten Kingman on numerous occasions. But Kingman might be leaders back. And if he's close to where he was, um, like he was in last year's New Zealand cup, where he came three wide without covering and defeated leap to fame, well, it's going to make it hard for the champ. Hey, good on you. Good on you,
Speaker 8Paulie. Thank you, Gareth. Great stuff today,
Speaker 2mate. Thanks for your company on giddy up. We'll catch you again tomorrow morning from eight o'clock. That was giddy up on this Monday, the 9th of November. All thanks to bet three, six, five. Have a great day.
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