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Speaker 2wednesday agenda let's welcome in the team calvin mcavoy hello to you morning gareth how are you i'm very well troy cawston's hello to you lots to talk about today yeah there is plenty we start off the wednesday agenda on a sad note as we celebrate the wednesday agenda and we're going to talk about now the life of patty payne senior who passed away yesterday morning at his home peaceful peacefully um at the age of 90 and what a life he lived um he enjoyed the highest of highs and also um heartbreak in his life and when you look back at his life and that heartbreak it breaks your heart in a way when he was left with his 10 children um as a young father when his wife mary passed away in a tragic car accident when michelle the youngest was only six months old and um and he brought up those kids eight of them were professional jockeys who had success in their own way um and he was a remarkable man i only met him a few on a few occasions but he was full of life he was a great character and before we have a chat about the the life of patty payne senior racing.com put together this wonderful package last night kate watts interviewed and kate's very good at interviewing characters like patty payne senior and she caught up with him and patty at the ballarat races back in 2025 and he's part of that interview
Speaker 3how do you possibly have 10 kids from 16 years old to six months how do you cope
Speaker 4oh i think it wasn't that hard really i don't think it was that hard it was the best years of my life really and the kids a lot of fun a lot of hard work and i think it was a lot of fun too but the fun outweighed it i think when she got killed we said that we said well we've got to make it now we've got to give it a go and then we did that we gave it our best shot prince of penzance from max dynamite prince of
Speaker 5penzance it's history in flemington michelle payne prince of penzance beat max dynamite
Speaker 3michelle payne has created history in flemington can you believe that there was a movie made about predominantly youtube
Speaker 4you can just believe it when i was young they had a woman's race at the races one jockey saw them and he said shit i don't think they're gonna make it and it wasn't that long after they were beating him
Speaker 6we're singing a song we were just i had a mockingbird down in the little green valley in that lonely little valley far away
Speaker 2you're in michelle payne in her autobiography life as we know it um i read this quote that she said about her father there when i was looking at patty payne's life yesterday um and it reads he is the sunniest most optimistic fun loving father you could imagine he was always very tough on us though and he could get pretty angry his voice would bellow through the house or across the yard but he would pull your leg to tease you and to test you despite the immense grief he must have been suffering and the difficulty of being a single parent he remained so positive so confident that we knew if we got on with it life would serve us well i remember when i was really little dad used to piggyback us to bed now who's first and that was part of the book there from michelle um he outlived two of his children as well bridget who passed away in 2007 after complications after falling off a horse and bernadette who recently passed away at the age of
Speaker 751 but um he was a remarkable man troy oh what an amazing man and what an even more amazing family yeah too and obviously i've grown up with um the pains all my life um and to to go through what they've gone through they're just such a tight-knit family um and they've all got their interest kisses and they're and they're all funny and uh they're all very very different and i think that's attributable to to patty he's just what a remarkable job you just cannot believe that someone uh like that just um gets dealt those cards in life picks things up and yeah think about um the kids that he's produced they're amazing people like i know that i know obviously teresa i work very very closely with um and my business wouldn't be what it is without her and there's no doubt that that's because of her upbringing and the the family that she's come along with um you know it's just it's an amazing racing story and uh well done teresa she she released a
Speaker 2statement on behalf of all the family yesterday and it was so beautiful calvin um but when you think about it like in the 80s 1986 he came from new zealand he was successful jumps jockey um he was a very good trainer he was a dairy farmer he sold a horse its name was and it's our patty boy um for he purchased it for 1300 sold it for 300 000 at the time to robert sankster which gave them enough money to come to australia to set up a ballarat yeah for
Speaker 8sure and look i was lucky enough i spent five years living in ballarat so i would see patty often and stevie you know they were so close and um you know they were working horses all day out in the paddock and you know he was at the races and just very cheerful and always always up for
Speaker 2family yeah and um as michelle payne put out on his social media there last night you get to go and say g'day to mum once again and you could have just imagined them upstairs having a chat with mary and the kids and thinking like how did you go patty and um well they talk about yeah they made a movie about us you know they made a movie um it's pretty cool yeah michelle created history winning a melbourne cup and stevie um of course he was he was a man that captured the hearts of everyone in this world and he drew the barrier he drew the barrier strapped prince of panzans um patty was one of the most gifted horsemen i think and one of the great jockeys that we're seeing 19 group ones he won of
Speaker 7course that is a fantastic pound for pound how do you pay him in his day was just you'd have him on
Speaker 2anything and the girls were great writers as well andrew had a melbourne cup run and was a successful job and kathy married karen yeah so um and what a life yeah what a life he lived um so our thoughts with everyone yeah the pain family and all of his friends especially the ballarat racing community as well and reading the the statement from the pain family yesterday that he got his wish that he was able to go back home and and pass away peaceably there at um at ballarat so he was a great man so yeah um the funeral details will be out shortly i would imagine it'll be a big funeral as well yeah nine minutes past eight on that note we'll take a break and then we'll continue on the wednesday agenda straight
Speaker 1back to giddy up with you this is the wednesday agenda troy causton's and calvin mcavoy with me um
Speaker 2aaron morrison joined me a couple of weeks ago and he was really interesting when we had to talk about a host of different issues and betsy.com.au penned a really interesting article yesterday it landed paul tatnell interviewed aaron morrison and there was a couple of really interesting
Speaker 7points once again that he brought up troy yeah some very very interesting what's the most interesting in your eyes i love the i love the talk about um what could possibly happen with the oaklands piece of land uh which i think is it's fantastic foresight and i think it was back in eight eight uh andrew jones actually did that purchase but it looks like it could pay off for
Speaker 2racing in a big way so what they purchased that maybe for a training facility and a racing facility as a backup if sandown was sold yeah that was the talk yeah but now it's not going to be sold so it's a valuable piece of land and they're trying to work out now the best possible way how raising victoria can make money from it yeah exactly and they're speaking to all the
Speaker 7right people to see to see what they can subdivide it to when they can do it i think at this stage with um the labour government in it's not going to be that easy but um planning can change in the future if the government changes which i'm not sure is going to happen but if that does happen uh it could be very very big for us the other interesting part that every when i talk to
Speaker 2people in the racing industry they always ask me about the mergers maybe clubs this is what aaron morrison had to say on giddy up a few weeks back in in today's world is this dual place for
Speaker 9three clubs um well especially like if you probably wouldn't design it that way if you started from scratch um but you know they they all offer something uniquely different from a consumer they could still do that potentially under a different structure but that's the structure that we've got to work with at the moment um it does make it challenging in terms of you know decision making communications governance you know i reckon there's a fair bit of duplication and we were saying before about um all the work we're doing with government and and you know around the reforms we fight so hard for every dollar to come in the top of the business model um you know we've got to you know make sure that we invest that wisely and i think there's a lot of duplication in the structure at the moment
Speaker 2so i think in an ideal world aaron morrison would love to have these clubs smerch and all work together a little bit more closely in this year article he goes a little bit more in depth saying that um they could save like 50 million dollars a year if that's huge it's massive do you think
Speaker 7the industry participants know that well they don't but let's this is the reason we're talking about it today is because they should know that because it's obviously there's going to be a lot of people who are going to push back and and don't want a merger but when you think about it like there's you know we've got a marketing company a marketing team team sorry thank you kelvin marketing team for the mrc marketing team for the vrc marketing team for rvl marketing team for crv you know a hr team again for for all of them can we merge this back end stuff and no one's talking about getting rid of each club and taking away um members rights and that sort of stuff but let's get 50 million coming back to um you know the participants owners into prize money maybe we can get um some prize money back to strappers like they have in new south wales how good would that
Speaker 8be yeah i think that's what aaron morrison made very clear in that um in what he said on your radio and also that article um his view and his goal is to get it back to the participants and um yeah any business person that can read between the lines and see a saving of some 40 or 50 million would be very hard not to look at it especially when it's going to come
Speaker 7back into the industry i mean the you're going to get pushback of course but um i was speaking with aaron last night and he said uh no turkey wants you put to put its hand up to go to thanksgiving so obviously there's going to be a hell of a lot of that but i think as an industry you know it'd be irresponsible for clubs not to be looking at this sort of stuff and at least
Speaker 2watching it out seeing what we can do where we can say and we should get the administrators and maybe some uh the people in charge of these race clubs and have a uh a round table discussion here on pushback why don't we want to do this well then there's there's obviously there's different membership groups but and they're different businesses like you went to mooney valley yesterday i think you had to sit down with michael brown his team what did you learn from that experience obviously with the redevelopment of mooney valley we learned how the track's coming
Speaker 7walked through the facilities through the tunnels um asked our opinions on you know the raceways and everything like that it's it's coming to hand very quickly yeah very quickly i think the other
Speaker 8thing with in terms of clubs and and there's obviously a lot of intricate details that probably we're not aware of but look at the western districts in victoria like there's a lot of a lot of clubs that might race once or twice like i think they should be merged together and um put put their infrastructure together their teams and and a lot of them are going to be merged together and i think that's going to be one of the things that we're going to
Speaker 2have to do i think in today's world that you you do have to move with the times and there's going to be some pressures financially on pra's going forward and we will see it maybe in the next year or so with these advertising reforms that aaron morrison pointed out when he was on this show that they might lose 10 million dollars now that that's a figure that he is predicting now whether that happens or not it could be more it could be less but there's going to be different challenges especially um that that i think we're going to have to move with the times and there's going to be some pressures financially on pra's going forward and we will see it maybe in the next year or so with moving forward that the pra's will have to tackle pra's will have to tackle new south wales is in a situation where they've got a great relationships with their government they've been able to do better deals with their government compared to what victoria has been able to do over the the period of time and peter volandes has led that way and and and victoria probably outperforms racing new south wales in a couple of key categories but um the situation that they have with their relationships with the government is that they get more revenue back into their industry in new south wales compared to what victoria does so there's always these different challenges but i think at the end of the day when you can see that there could be a saving of up to 50 million dollars if the clubs work together and i think yeah i think there's the best part about racing i reckon with the people that i know that are running these clubs is that they're full of passion now they might have different ideas and different philosophies but i think at the end of the day they want racing to be the best way to do it and i think that's the best way to do it and i think the big winner and the mrc is a completely different business to what mooney valley is compared to what the vrc is but the vrc is the home of racing in a way um so yeah it'd be great if they could work together and maybe put a few of their assets together and um you might be able
Speaker 8to hold a panel conversation in here gareth get someone from the vrc someone from yeah i don't
Speaker 2know if we could get them on the same table maybe we'll get jonathan munns michael brow and kylie yeah yeah we'll get kylie in neil wilson he's been in the game for a long time i think that can get a
Speaker 8jump jump pop up like dicky knee i think the key the key thing is no one no no one in this industry wants to see prize money drop everyone's working very hard to maintain prize money levels wagering is going down and if there's a somewhere to save somewhere between 40 and 50 million like i mean
Speaker 2it needs to be considered yeah i think mooney valley if if what you're hearing is that the you're hearing it when you listen to michael brow it's going to be like a happy valley of
Speaker 7of australia we got we got that um view of it on when we were there monday we were there yeah um and we walked around to the old finishing post and you can do you do get that feel there's only one set of apartments up at the moment there's another three to go in i think if i'm right yeah
Speaker 8more than that there's three more on that side and then yeah down the other end but it's gonna be like an amphitheater yeah and i if that all comes to play i think it's going to be like a
Speaker 2and everything works out and they can sell the apartments and the track is great and you've got the the the apartment buildings around mooney valley and it is a bit like happy valley and you race there friday night you have a fiend steaks and a manicato it will be something else whether we go down the path i don't know and this is just an idea and this is not my opinion necessarily and i've been talking to a few a few people about it maybe you could just mooney valley could be the happy valley of melbourne and then you could have the bigger races and then you could have the bigger races and then you could have the bigger races and then maybe mooney valley or the cox plate at flemington and they could come together and wonder whether
Speaker 8they could share their resources you know that'd be something yeah why not yeah i think it all
Speaker 7depends on turnover and when that's best that's we need to really lean into that as well yeah if you know even if thursday nights are better than friday nights let's look at doing something like that so rv that's what they're there for do you think there's too many clubs too many clubs yeah
Speaker 2do you would you like the the the way that it's set up in victoria metropolitan yeah metropolitan
Speaker 7you know you you we can only compare to the new south wales model um and obviously there's pros and cons for both um but do do i like the um how much we spend on every club probably not no i don't i would i much prefer that coming back to participants bloody oath i would that's what i'm here for i'm the president of the australian trainers association and we need to get returns so we can keep this whole game going so as the president of the trainers association do you talk to the clubs that you're in and talk to the clubs that you're in and talk to the clubs that you're in and talk to the clubs about that no it's a bit it's bigger than it's bigger than my if they wanted to ask me about it um i'm sure they all know how i feel anyway like crikey i want returns to participants i want returns to strappers i want returns to owners and i want better conditions for punters because what at the end of the day that makes racing better and that's what i want i want racing to be better i want i want my son to come through i want my nephew to come through i want my grandchildren hopefully to come through and have a crack i think the race clubs now
Speaker 2and the pras for the rest of the world are going to be better than the rest of the world for instance, with that land there in Melbourne are working out that, And it's just like 80% of the income that supports the industry is delivered by the punt from wagering. And so they're trying to work out different revenue streams.
Speaker 7And in fairness, the clubs are doing a great deal because the MRC's got a stack of different revenue streams coming through. The VRC's working on more land. I know that as a fact. And then Moonee Valley's obviously selling their apartments. So they're all trying to fund things quite well. Maybe, you know, can we tighten things up? Can we make things a little bit easier?
Speaker 10Yeah.
Speaker 7I think we can.
Speaker 2And even working for the, like the Spring Racing Carnival, obviously there's been some changes in New South Wales and they've shaken up the spring big time. I'd be fascinated to see what happens regarding the makeup with the field sizes for some of the big weight for age races, for instance, coming up with the Underwood, the Might and Power, the Fee and Stakes, those type of races, the Maccabi Diva. And see how they hold up regarding the field sizes time around and see if we need to make any changes there ahead of the big grand final races, like the Cox Plate and Champions Day.
Speaker 8Well, the Memsie and now the Maccabi have been two, you know, two of the first that have got amazing fields. So credit to Victorian Racing.
Speaker 7And at this stage, the Winx was just as good, wasn't it? So, you know. Good start.
Speaker 2The Manicato's going to be one of the best Manicato's we've seen for a while. Like, is your filly backing up?
Speaker 8Not sure. Not sure. We're probably leaning towards sticking to the three-year-olds at this stage, but no decision yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2And the Cox Plate will always be the WS Cox Plate. You're going to have some. So Delius is arguably the best horse in the country.
Speaker 7What's Matty Nebbitt thinking? Move the Cox Plate. Oh, Matty, yeah. You've got to have an opinion. I like it.
Speaker 2It's good. He wanted to move. But it's not moving. Yeah, that's ambitious. And like, good on Matty. But hey, I think, what did he? Two weeks after Champions Day. I think the VRC would love that to happen. But yeah, there's like, I think we've got to continue to innovate and respect the history as well. So, and sometimes I think in racing as well, like it's not going too bad, the racing game.
Speaker 7It's obviously challenges. It's great. It's really good. And a lot of us make, you know, a great living out of it. So we're not complaining, but can it be better?
Speaker 8I think that compared to a few years ago, like the general feel about racing in this country is better than it was. I think people are right back on board. And yeah, we're just. It just needs to continue with the momentum.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Speaker 224 minutes past eight. Troy Caulston's wrote a really interesting article. And this, this, this argument and debate comes up every year and probably a little later on the year, but it's come up a little earlier this time around. It's regarding the Victoria Derby. Should it be 2000 or should it be 2,500 metres? We'll discuss all of that next.
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Speaker 2Welcome back to Giddy Up. Great to have your company. This is the Wednesday Agenda. All thanks to Bet365, Troy Caulston's and Calvin McEvoy with me. Now, Troy sent through his idea regarding the Victoria Derby on Monday when we're talking about it with Wayne Hawks on the means test. And Johnnie O'Neill. And it's been inspired once again from a, a social media, um, it was basically, yeah, it was a post, but it was, it was, uh, um, it took me about two hours to read the post from Gay Waterhouse, the legendary gay and Robbie Waterhouse was part of that post. And it was basically inspired about the talk regarding whether we should change the Victoria Derby distance to, um, to 2000 metres from 2,500. Now, Robbie and Gay said. Keep it at 2,500. Um, it's a race full of history. It's older than the Melbourne Cup. It's a great challenge for trainers. Um, it's a great trainer challenge for a thoroughbred to, to win a group one over 2,500 metres. Um, but you totally disagree.
Speaker 7Yeah, I do. And let me be straight. This is my opinion only and not the opinion of the president of the Australian Trainers Association, because I have not gone to our, uh, members at all and asked for their opinion. Um, because it, it is. It is very, very differing and I completely, um, you know, I completely respect Robbie and Gay's, um, opinion and that they're entitled to that. I just think it's become slightly irrelevant. And my big argument is that it is currently on notice for a downgrade. And that, that, that I think is the biggest red light warning. Do we, do we want a metropolitan example? Um, you know, it, it just got downgraded to a group two. Do we want to be going to the Victoria Derby on the, uh, Saturday coming up for a group two, Vic Derby? So we need to look at something, we need to try something different and I've got a couple of other ideas, like about a three year old series and stuff like that, which, uh, I will, I'll release it this afternoon. I only sent it to you to have a look at, but, um, I feel very strongly about it. The other thing that I think we breed. Now, I listened to Henry Field on your show yesterday, we breed for speed, we breed, breed for precocity, we value our Coolmore winners, we value our, uh, Caulfield Guineas winners, not quite as much as our Coolmore winners, you get 40, 50 million for a Coolmore winner.
Speaker 2Well, it's changed, hasn't it? Ten years ago when you won the Guineas with Star Spangled Banner, I remember doing the story when I was at Channel 9, it was like, you, $10 million, it was a lot of money back then when Star Spangled Banner won the Guineas, but it was the race talked about as the stallion making race in the Coolmore.
Speaker 7Yeah, and it's changed, so, but that, we need to change with it. Well, can't you change back? Well, it's going to take five years, and the thing is, Gareth, I love stayers, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to beat up stayers, because I'd love a Derby horse every, every day of the week. You buy a staying horse at the yearling sales, it sits on your shelf for eight to nine months, um, and honestly, like, I'll buy a Sprinter or a Sprinter stallion, they sell straight away. So, it's just the commercial model, and it's just what people want at the moment.
Speaker 8It's an interesting debate. Um, your thoughts on this, Kelvin? Yeah, look, I, I've read Troy's, um, letter, and it was fantastic, very well written. Um, my view is, the most important thing is preserving Group 1 status. I mean, like, it's Derby Day, right? We need to not, um. But it's the Derby. I, I realise that, but also, look at what happened in New South Wales, they were given, uh, a, sort of a prior warning that something needed to change. They didn't change. And they lost the status of Group 1. Um, you know, we've got the current favourite for the Derby. I know it's very early, but, so, from a personal point of view, like, I think whatever is going to make the race better, um, there's a small pool of horses that are probably going to be effective at three in the spring over 2,500. If that was back to 2,000, it would probably double in terms of horses that. It's got treble. Maybe treble. Um, what the challenge would be is, will it take, if the money, if they put. More money onto it and it becomes 2,000, will that make a really good three-year-old not go to the Cox Plate the week before? Like, I, I love the three-year-old flavour in a Cox Plate, but I, I think that you'd probably still get them backing up out of the Cox Plate.
Speaker 7Yeah, exactly. Why wouldn't one back up?
Speaker 2You're at the end of your prep. But you're not going to get the best field at 2,000 metres regardless, really. And the other challenges. If it's a Victoria Derby, because you got the spring champion stakes the week before. Over the same trip.
Speaker 7I'm not saying that my idea is perfect. No. And work needs to be done, Gareth. Like. Heaven forbid that New South Wales and Victoria talk to each other and work out. Well, that won't happen. Yeah, but maybe it can, why won't it? Maybe it can.
Speaker 8When people read, when people read the, um, letter that Troy's written and they can digest a bit of a serious thing. I mean, that in a perfect world, I think would, it would be unbelievable to follow through a spring and then an autumn three-year-old series. And, um.
Speaker 7And people will get to read that, but it, it, it does involve New South Wales and Victoria.
Speaker 8Yeah.
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Speaker 8the 2500 i think the other thing to consider is um knowing how the game plays out if it does go back to 2000 i mean the spring champion i think it's two million the derby's two million uh sydney just gonna pump that up with money and then something needs to happen like the the prize
Speaker 7money would need to go up and um as and as i talked about like if you if you what so the my theory was um golden rose into the caulfield guineas into a 2000 meter vic derby worth a lot more money so you'd have to look at the the spring champion and do something with that and then in the autumn you have the australian guineas the rose hill guineas and the atc derby over 20 over yeah over a mile and a half and then you have points asserted to the top 10 and you you know that smarter people can come up with ways to to and imagine people talking about it and uh you know if you get one horse that runs in all six of them or they run in four or five
Speaker 2do you know the other i'm not a horse trader so i don't work with these horses every day um but you you talk to some traders and say that the way that they're bred these days they're just too soft to get 2500 meters as three-year-olds with the standard breads for instance the interdominium was a great race three races in a week over different distances but they've changed the two now because the standard bred breed is not as strong as it was back in the 80s and
Speaker 890s there's no doubt that that's true gareth and i think um the breeders and the vendors have become so good like i mean you go to the yearling sales the way they present the top um studs the way those horses are presented on that day it's it's is that a problem wayne hawk says they're
Speaker 2breeding to sell instead of breeding to race these days and it makes it difficult for the trainers to get these horses to to to race and have a a long career well back in the day well
Speaker 8before my time troy would know more but bart cummings and see it like they'd go to new england and be buying these yearlings that had been in a two-week yearling prep and you know the art of buying a really good yearling was seeing you know what's going to really develop in six or twelve months whereas now like it's very easy to pick what's going to make a million bucks at the yearling sale in terms of pedigree and type and it's just who's got the biggest wallet um what
Speaker 7do you think troy yeah i totally agree and it's uh it's a very hard but you know how do you stop that how do you police that you you can't take away this is what they're good at and this is their side and make the decisions um but the prices are going up and it's getting much harder
Speaker 8to sell yeah yeah that's where the the reset somewhere needs to happen there needs to be reset
Speaker 2no doubt and um the problem that i think that we've got at the moment is new south wales and victoria and you can understand racing new south wales where they come from because their kpis is to look after new south wales and make sure it's the most profitable business that they can do basically and they've identified that spring carnival is where they can make their money with their biggest turnover races and hopefully one day that the industry nationally will come together but i don't see it happening that's so uh going forward so being a participant yeah being a
Speaker 7participant it's really frustrating because you know we should all be sticking together because we we are the one game and and it shouldn't be Victoria versus New South Wales if it hadn't been
Speaker 8the whole fight not fight but the Victoria versus New South Wales has been what's driven prize money right up over the over recent years and this will need to be fact-checked Gareth but I'm pretty sure by the Melbourne Cup which is the highest turnover race by a long way I'm pretty sure the Derby is still very high is that right well Flemington because it's during I think it's second I think it's the second turnover race I'm not sure let's get that fact checked yeah Lee Jordan will be
Speaker 2listening if you can send that through that would be much appreciated Sean Kelly will be listening anyway um yeah so good luck like it I think it's healthy that you have these type of debates and I think people in the industry like gay and Robbie Waterhouse like yourself um um that yeah it's it's it's healthy if you have these type of debates and you probably never ever no one's ever going to be on the same page but and it would be interesting to see what happens going forward and um yeah whether whether the VRC at the end of the day will make that move because it's it's up to them at the end of the day it's up to the committee yeah yeah 838 we'll take a break we'll come back with plenty more plus all of your text messages on the Garrett's horse and hound text line
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 live across Australia this is giddy up with
Speaker 2gareth hall welcome back to giddy up plenty of text messages coming through on the garage horse and hound text line yes what did you make of the crowd at Sandown on Saturday I thought there would be more there it felt like there was only a couple of thousand did the weather put them off or is it just Sandown
Speaker 7two and a half thousand yeah your thoughts about that very group one day yeah very disappointing
Speaker 8and it's um I was there all day because we were in the first and had a run in the in the group one there was it was very quiet and then sort of everyone seemed to flock in for the group one and then um disappear but Sandown's a big place it's very hard to see and you know what like I love
Speaker 7Sandown it's one of the greatest tracks to race on and um so glad that we didn't sell it but people
Speaker 2just don't want to go there unfortunately it was a great crowd at Caulfield around 8 000 there which was up on last year's memsy what would be an acceptable crowd or a pass mark there for Kylie Rogers and the team at the vrc this weekend 21 degrees um a pretty handy Maccabi Diva Mr bright side looking to make it four straight Mr bright side uh Mr um Maccabi Davis you'll have a terrific report program there um no AFL football this weekend coming off an NFL match the MCG on the
Speaker 7Friday as I said perfect conditions I reckon 10 000 8 to 10 000. yeah that'd be like if historically I'm not sure what they do get there but around eight I reckon I know I've got quite a few clients that are coming in just for for Saturday there's 12 maca voice from streaky Bay so that's scary
Speaker 8but look I think it's a there'll be a lot of racing fans going this weekend because yeah look at that group one uh group one race it's a beauty and there'll be people there that want to see shoes and otherwise I want to see Mr bright side and um I can't wait to be there all right the
Speaker 7derby's the fourth highest racer Melbourne Cup turns over 247 million and the derby turns over
Speaker 826 million I've got some very high profile listeners here yeah that's all I'll say you got
Speaker 2that the VRC all right I think that during Flemington Carnival um the last race is in the top 10 turnover races in the country yeah because that's and no I'm all right and I've argued with Jared Whaley about this he was wanted to push the the spring carnival back but all I said from a racing fans perspective like you after the AFL season finishes or the NRL season and this is why the land he's wanted to go into get into the spring market that's what racing owns that six weeks yeah that is our chair that's our chance to shine from Caulfield guineas day to the final day there at Flemington um and then there's like I think that the the MRC put in the C4 and all that has helped um but it's still like the carnival basically and the race goers who look at racing for that six week period I reckon they finish after the the Flemington Carnival um she's alibi she's going to be the talk of the um track there Saturday at Flemington 1600 meters she's a dollar 50 with bet 365. is she over the line she takes on
Speaker 7Sir Delius's first start um your thoughts on this race I tell you what I've watched um one of our panelists uh horse work during the weekend I can tell you he looks absolutely amazing I'm not saying
Speaker 2if half yours win I'll wear the race colors um even if they don't fit me next next Wednesday
Speaker 8oh 50. yeah I mean it's it's that's short I think I've seen a lot of intent from gay and Adrian with Sir Delius the way he's been trialing and Tuesday morning um you know he he's he's one of the horses everyone's talking about um I read it something on X about uh it's been a graveyard for short price favorites the maccabi or mares sorry um but they haven't seen a male like this one well maybe not
Speaker 2what about Mr B yeah why can't he win four in a row well I think he can I just had to look at the clip here we'll have the final fields come out shortly um and I had a chat to Harry coffee about light infantry man he's about to join us so hopefully he doesn't mind me having a chat um talking about our conversation but light infantry man's a horse that can deliver a little bit of pace but I think he's a better Chase and then setting the setting the pace if you know what I mean yeah like he enjoyed that situation when he won the Aussie Cup with pride of Jenny leading and he can follow that hot tempo I've just got a feeling bright side might be able to get away with hopefully I don't think that with Williams in the race now he will let Blake she can get away with what Craig got away with last year when they went a ridiculous speed but he he could just get away with some nice sectionals once
Speaker 7again Mr B yeah 100 and uh just it it really sets up nicely for him doesn't it and does she is she
Speaker 8better off does she need tempo she's alibi well I mean look at the the Doncaster win where it was decent tempo and she was out the back I don't think so I think what everyone wants is just a it doesn't need to be fast it doesn't need to be slow we just want an even tempo and I agree I think with Willow on sir Delius he'll be up there um they'll be going a nice tempo and it should set up
Speaker 2for a great race the mcaibe David makes it difficult and we saw it last year and we we heard like we all got stuck into AMAC, um, how did he, how dare he let, um, Craig Williams get away with those sections with V Sistine and when he sat in the one, one, and then Chris Waller come out, came out and spoke and said, well, like he could have done that McDonald, but at the end of the day, her main aim is the Cox plate. And so this is, this is a stepping stone to make sure. Do you gutter in that to try and win? And that will be with half yours. We've had this argument before with him. He's there to win, but does everyone expect him to? Probably not. But do you take off mid race if they're going 14 seconds of furlong?
Speaker 8So I'd be very surprised if they, if they're going really slow, I'd be disappointed. I mean, like those races and we've seen them in the past, they're embarrassing. The jockeys, they shouldn't let that happen. Like, and I think a lot of the time jockeys can overdo slowing up tempos. And when you go too slow, you're actually doing your horse a disservice. I think.
Speaker 2Do you reckon jockeys should get, not necessarily, I don't know, get time if they go, if they're, they're saying not to show any, show, show any intent when they're going those ridiculous speeds. No. Well, they get time for going too quick.
Speaker 7Yeah. Yeah. But like, look at like Mark Zara, you know, it was a brilliant ride in the Q22 because he pulled it off. You know, that was outstanding.
Speaker 8There was one good ride in that race. Don't go back there. Oh, I know. He's just getting over it. Probably too soon. I think, I think that, um, when they should be reprimanded is when they slow up too, too fast. Because that's like being on a highway, right? If you're driving a car and you're sick. And the, the, the car at the front slams the brakes on that is where you're going to get problems.
Speaker 2I just, I want to get on record. I'm not, you don't penalize the jockeys. Leave the jockeys that, that sit one, one and they're going 15 seconds of furlong. It's a, it's a difficult one. It's a can of worms, that. Yeah.
Speaker 7Um. Do we need pacemakers? There's another. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah. I don't think we need pacemakers.
Speaker 8Anyway, half yours. He'll run well Saturday.
Speaker 2I don't think we've got enough horses. Can he win a race this prep?
Speaker 8Yes, I think so.
Speaker 2Which race, Kelvin? I'm not sure, Gareth. You'll tell me and all the listeners out here. You should go to a Caulfield Cup. Did you ever discuss that? We did. Yeah.
Speaker 8And why didn't you go down that path? I like the, the Cox Plate into the Melbourne Cup.
Speaker 2It is a winnable Cox Plate. So Delius is the horse to beat.
Speaker 8And we don't have a Cox, I don't have a Cox Plate.
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 10Your dad does.
Speaker 2Yeah. Well dressed Tony does. Dad's got one up on me. We'll take a break. We'll come back with plenty more next. This is the Wednesday Agenda. I want to play you a snippet of Clint McDonald's interview yesterday when we had a chat to him. Now we have a lot of fun with Clint. I think he's one of the great characters of Australian racing. I love him because he's a punting trainer and he's got terrific stories to tell. And they backed a horse there, Hort, on Friday at, where was it, Geelong, Mornington. It was off the map, started odds on. And then it was Shinsaw after the race, barely Shinsaw. Pulled up. Yeah. And, and Benny Mellon pulled this horse up and it started odds on. This is what Clint McDonald told me yesterday when I asked him about this.
Speaker 11Terrible way to do your money when you seem to be pulled up and it does hurt. And I had a, I had a number of private phone calls coming through, calling me a number of things under the sun. Did they really? Yeah. I said, just get in line boys. So get in line, take a number. I'll get back to you.
Speaker 2That's a bloody disgrace. If that's true. I can't believe that.
Speaker 11Quite incredible. So, uh, the people, uh, that low, but anyway, we move on.
Speaker 2Yeah. Like I know that there's trolls out on social media, Troy, but I, I, I didn't think that people and multiple people would go out of the way to get Clint McDonald's phone number and pranking.
Speaker 7Yeah. If there's anyone that can take it, he's got very broad shoulders.
Speaker 2Obviously there's some people that might not be able to laugh.
Speaker 7Yeah. Yeah. And you've got to be very careful. Like, you know, if it's a, you know, someone that can't take it, like what sort of damage is that going to do? You have a problem with trainers. They come to you regarding that. Well, they can. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah. Look, we, we say it all the time. Like, and I get it on, uh, on socials and stuff like that. Lots of DMS and I refuse to call them out or anything like that because I just don't care anymore because you know, well, yeah. And you don't want to give them the oxygen and you know, if someone's lost their money, you know, we don't. Yeah. If they're wanting to lose. No. Far out. Every horse that we send out, we want to win.
Speaker 2And trust me, Clinton McDonald would have been trying on that horse. It was off the map. 100%.
Speaker 8That is. Yes. Yeah. We, we get, I've got some, we get some beauties and, um, Ellen in our office, she, uh, fields most of them and doesn't forward them through because a lot of the time they come to, you know, the email, but like I've walked into the office, seen the red flashing light on a Monday morning of a voicemail and just been absolutely rinsed by just someone random. They should be called out, they're dogs if they do that. They should.
Speaker 7Yeah. But there's no way of finding out who it is or, you know what they're.
Speaker 8But Gareth, the problem is that like Troy, like, I don't care. It's well, I've got thick skin, but what about like a 17 year old apprentice jockey? Yeah. Young girl. I hate that. That has never, like, that is where the issue is. Yeah. Um, where someone that may be like, a lot of the jockeys are young people, they're kids when they're starting out riding. Apprentices, you know. That is the issue.
Speaker 2Race in Victoria. They do teach them. They do a good job in a way. And I think that, um, especially in today's world, it's completely different to what was say 10 or 15, 20 years ago. Oh, very different. That you do need to, to make sure that you are, um, helping the, the, the younger generation, especially. Yeah. Well, you'd get it as well, wouldn't you? Well, Louie doesn't tell me very often, but. I've seen a few when you go. Yes, yes, yes. Most of it's coming from Paulie. That's why. You see the text line. But it's, it's part of life when you're in this type of business and we all understand that. But yeah.
Speaker 7And the apprentices and stuff like that, I'll get, I'll get my back right up for that sort
Speaker 8of stuff. I often see trainers reply to people or jockeys. Yeah. And I just think what's the point because you get, you know, they, like you said earlier, Troy, they've probably got a hundred or five followers and, um, you're actually giving them an audience and, and it's not, not worth it.
Speaker 2I don't think. G'day G, your two guests, Calvin and Troy, please ask who they are keen on this Saturday on a dry track in their camps. That's from Smithy. Um, we'll get to your winners towards the back end of the show. Um, hi guys. I think it would be only fitting for Paddy Payne and the family to have a race named after him on Ballarat Cup day. What do you reckon of that? Yeah, I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 8Ballarat Turf Club and Sam Bingley, the CEO would be, be looking into that for sure.
Speaker 2Brad goes, my question is what is your understanding of how the race day programming is worked out? Why are races from different meetings scheduled so close together, especially during the week when there may be only two to five meetings on? Why are they not spread by at least 10 minutes between races? That's from Brad. That's all to do with sky racing. Yeah, exactly. Um, morning Wednesday agenda, Tim, can someone briefly please explain the whole reason the clubs won't work together? Why the separate states don't particularly like each other and never want to work together? That's from Bailey. Oh, I think, I think some, the clubs, no, the clubs do work together. Yeah, of course they work together. As Aaron Morrison point out, they do. Um, but I think that Aaron Morrison, as he mentioned in that grab that we, that we played here, he wished that they would probably work a little bit more closely together. Um. Efficiencies. Yeah. Hi Gareth. This is my text to you six months ago to which you said on air, I think we're traveling all right then. Um, a topic to serving a full and Frank discussion is Victoria racing over governed or top heavy in terms of its administration, three metropolitan race clubs, plus RV, um, administration racing in Metro Melbourne compared to the infrastructure administrators costs with new South Wales. It really does deserve an overhaul, um, asked Terry Henderson. So that's why we're talking about it. Yeah. Um, they should incentivize betting on track and with the clubs direct if clubs felt like clubs that you were part of. Something rather than a rundown goes down, it would help. That's from John. I think it's difficult now for clubs back in the day, they would get a lot of revenue from the punting on track because we would bet on the tight and with the tab today, everyone bets on their phone and the clubs don't get the revenue. If, if you're punting on your phone, you turn up to the races.
Speaker 8Maybe there should be some sort of incentive, but smarter people than us will probably have to come up with that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7Um, what about that one? Half yours will not place this spring. That's a bit rough.
Speaker 2Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7Yes. Yes.
Speaker 8Gareth wasn't going to read that one out. Gareth actually sent that one in from across the desk.
Speaker 7It was from Wayne Hawks. Yeah.
Speaker 2Good morning, Gareth. Coming from a purist punter that you are, no doubt. I find your words, um, I won't like trying to change the Cox, but I never tried to change the Cox plate to Flemington. I was just that like people have, um, come up with that idea and told me it was just a, a topic of conversation really. And you're allowed to talk about it.
Speaker 8Should we talk that there's no internationals paid up for the Cox plate? Yeah.
Speaker 2It was. That surprised me. I thought that would be, you get more internationals because it was at Flemington, but that wasn't
Speaker 8the case. Well, that's what that was. A lot of the talk was from the international parties, but, uh, yeah, I've got to chase
Speaker 2why map of stars is not coming because they wanted to come. So whether he hasn't passed the CT scan or not, and they probably won't tell us by Tharn racing, but that, that prick my ears why he's not there. Um, Harry coffee's not far away. He's about to join us. The Derby length is irrelevant. Get rid of the Oaks and all girls. Um, so that's it. So get rid of the Oaks and just have the Derby. Get rid of the Oaks. Yeah. I don't think that'll work. Um, there's a few more text messages coming through. I'll take a break. We'll come back with Harry coffee next. Plus we'll get some winners from Troy Causton's and Calvin McAvoy. And let us know your favorite trainer jockey combination after Johnny McArdle and Jamie Mott after decades, trying combined to win their first group one in the Moyer on Saturday.
Speaker 1Join the conversation, text us. on 04009 736 736. Live across Australia, this is Giddy Up with Gareth Hall.
Speaker 2Welcome back to Giddy Up. It's 5 on 9 o'clock. Gavin Bedge could have joined me shortly for Beyond the Barriers, but Harry Coffey joins the Wednesday agenda. I said to Harry, we can get you on towards, like maybe just before the bag of tips that we previewed at Sandow meeting, but he wanted to come on with you, Kelvin. Hello to you, Harry, you great man. G'day, Gareth. How are you? I am very well. We've got a big day on Sunday, the Cystic Fibrosis Fundraiser, a walk around Albert Park to raise money, which is obviously a cause very close to your heart, Harry.
Speaker 12Yes, yes, it is very close to my heart, obviously, because I've got cystic fibrosis, but I think it means just as much to my mum and dad and extended family as what it does to me. Mum and dad take a lot of enjoyment out of the day, seeing everybody get behind. I've got to say, it's a big day for my mum and dad, but it's a big day for my mum and dad. They've probably been through the toughest part of the road compared to me. I've had to live with it, but they've had to watch it from the start. So we're very lucky that we live in a world where medicine and sort of doctors have come a long way, and I've been able to take advantage of that. But, yes, certainly for my parents, when I was first born, it would have been a scary time. So it's a special day Sunday to raise awareness for CF and some money, not only for the broader CF community, but it's sort of mainly for families, especially young families that are doing it tough with a young person with cystic fibrosis.
Speaker 7Harry, how are you, mate? It's Troy here.
Speaker 12Hey, Troy.
Speaker 7I grew up with asthma and severe asthma. And I'd be in the hospital, I reckon, four times a year. Now, I'm not trying to compare, but what did happen was when we'd be in the hospital, we'd be with all the CF kids. And I'm talking sort of 35, 40 years ago. But the life expectancy back then, honestly, I'd be in a ward with a kid. Next minute, there'd be an empty bed. And it was just absolutely shocking. They'd pass away at 10, 12, 15. Clearly, what you're doing is remarkable and so important. But tell us a little bit about how things have changed for CF kids.
Speaker 12Yeah, so, like, there wasn't a lot of discussion or chat. Around life expectancy when I was a young kid. And I don't know if that was a coping mechanism or whether it was a way of handling the process. But I'm pretty sure, and my understanding of it is, my parents sort of got told, "Look, it's unlikely. There's a small chance that, you know, get past that sort of age of 14 to 18. But most kids with CF will go down the path. Of getting lung transplants and, you know, having infections that they can't get over." So that would have been quite a scary thing to hear when you have a little baby in the mid-90s that they probably won't get past their teen years. But as I've become older, there's been more and more people with cystic fibrosis that are getting older. But I, myself, know of people that I went to the Royal Children's Hospital with that had cystic fibrosis and they're no longer with us. So, sometimes it's a flip of the coin of which way the luck falls. But I've been extremely lucky that I've had a great mother who, probably in the most important time of when you've got CF, the young years when it can get tough, she was pretty much nearly a qualified nurse with the treatment that we had to do, not only in the hospital, but at home. And yeah, she kept me fit and well and kept me up and about enough that once I got to an age where medication has, improved enough, we were able to take full advantage of that. And it's given me great quality of life.
Speaker 8- Yeah, H, good morning, Calvin here. I remember when you used to come over to South Australia, I think you might've been claiming two or three, you'd knock around at the Morfaville parks and ride a couple of winners and you'd get off the horse and you'd be like me after going for a hundred metre run, you were blowing and just couldn't get the air. But nowadays, like you're very fit, huge difference. Is that due to the new medication?
Speaker 12- Yeah, so I'm on a drug called Trikafta, which is a genetic modifying drug. I take two tablets in the morning and one at night and it has been an absolute game changer. My life has improved so much since going on it. And I used to have trouble clearing sputum, which then made myself more prone to infection. I was going in for hospital treatments on antibiotics and physiotherapy four times a year for a week to two weeks. And since taking Trikafta, I haven't been in for a hospital admission. My lungs and lung functions have become a lot more stable and my whole body just works a lot more efficiently. I'm not perfect, but yeah, my quality of life has improved dramatically. And that's extremely important for people with cystic fibrosis because there was a time where we just were fighting to stay well and prolonging life. Where now you can have some real guarantee that these medications can make life great. And you can think about your career and you can think about family and you can, yeah, plan for the future rather than getting up and taking CF on every day and hoping for the best. So we're very lucky, I'm extremely lucky. And yeah, those Adelaide days feel a long time ago now, Kelvin, me and you have become a lot more healthier.
Speaker 8- And close, they tell me, a lot of love between you two. - And Harry, I've just had an owner message you now asking, ask Harry how we donate. So can you tell the listeners how they can throw some money to get behind such a great cause?
Speaker 12- I think Gareth knows how to donate 'cause he loves donating. He loves getting onto the CF website. - Yes, I should have donated yesterday
Speaker 2because it was like a country race in Victoria where matching every dollar.
Speaker 8- Yeah, I donated yesterday and I knew that Harry would ride his couple of horses for me today, even that little bit better after me getting behind the course.
Speaker 12- Yeah, Kelvin was very generous with his donations.
Speaker 2- No, we do a fundraise every year at Swan Hill with Shane Bennett, the Ultima Hotel for cystic fibrosis with the Calcutta that we do. So you're inspired a lot of people, Harry, and I'm glad that you understand the importance that you play with this now. Obviously, I reckon early doors, you're a little bit hesitant talking about it, but I think the way that your honesty and your vulnerability regarding this is helping a lot of people, mate, so keep it up. - Yeah, well, at the beginning,
Speaker 12it was sort of like I didn't want to be known as the sick kid who rode horses, where now I'm sort of, my riding probably does the talking enough that I can handle myself and got a few runs on the board. And then also too, I think you mature a lot when you have children and get married and you become a little bit more understanding of what's involved in the world. And it would have been nothing worse than having a little child and being told that it's got cystic fibrosis and you know nothing about it. So, if I get out there and tell my story and give hope to young families, that's the least I can do. 'Cause yeah, think back to what my parents would have experienced. It would have been a pretty horrible time.
Speaker 7- And it's an amazing story. You've done a remarkable job, mate. And it is your responsibility to pass that on and let kids know and give them some hope and hopefully raise more money so that it can get even better, mate. Well done.
Speaker 2- And I'll be walking with you at Albert Park on Sunday. What time? - 8:15 AM. - Are you gonna be there, Kelvin? - I'll be there, mate. - You should run. I'll give you $500 if you run.
Speaker 12- I think there's a 10K at 9 and a 5K at 10. But the country racing team will be down there. They're great supporters. They do a great job, the team there. And also RV. But yeah, everyone, get down there if you can. If you can't donate, I'm sure you'll bring Demi and the dog. Well, both Demis. - Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8What's the website, Harry?
Speaker 12- We've got, what is the website?
Speaker 8- Lakersweat.com.au. - Yes.
Speaker 12- One word. - Yeah, go onto our socials and follow the links. - Yeah. - Or the country racing websites and social media pages. We'll put a lot out too over the next sort of few days between now and Sunday. But I'll keep posting, as will Gareth and the SEN team, I'm sure. So all steam ahead. - Yeah, we'll post it.
Speaker 2Hey, now, Harry, he's a little nervous, Kelvin, today, 'cause he's training. I think this is his first runner for one of the most powerful individuals in racing, the great Jonathan Munns. Full confidence, Kelvin.
Speaker 7- He told me it's unbeatable. - Oh, yes. - No, I didn't.
Speaker 8It's two of the most powerful individuals, Mr. Jonathan Munns and Mr. John Magnier.
Speaker 7- Yes. - Partners.
Speaker 8- Are they both in there? - Yeah. - John Magnier. - Yeah, cool one and a half. - Did you ring him this morning? - Ah, it's the time difference.
Speaker 2- He listens to Giddy Up, Mr. Magnier. - John Magnier, yeah, of course he does. - So don't stuff it up, Harry, basically.
Speaker 12- No, I've probably stuffed bigger jobs up before, and then Kelvin has, me and Kelvin have gotten over it, but, no, she's a nice filly and she's extremely well-bred, so, yeah, it's important to be on her back and make sure she has a smooth day, but now we've sort of been waiting to run her, but Kelvin's been very patient and gotten her right, so hopefully today's the day.
Speaker 2- What is your relationship like, like Kelvin? Because obviously there's a lot of love. You're basically their stable jockey in a way. - Are you asking me or Kelvin?
Speaker 8- No, you. - I've actually got a story. On Saturday, Harry rode a winner, race one at, uh, at Sandown. Yes, and he missed the start on it by about two lengths. And when he came in, he said, I won't repeat the words, but he said, all I was worried about throughout the whole race was that you were going to cook me when I got back from missing the start. And I said to him, I'd rather you concentrate on the race at hand than worrying about your excuse to me.
Speaker 12Lucky Sandown's a big straight because by the time I realized I was in it after thinking about what you were going to say the whole time, I didn't hit the front too early.
Speaker 2You're more scared of Kelvin than Tony, basically.
Speaker 12Oh, well, Kelvin's a lot more direct, and he won't hold back. But when you know your stuff went up and your phone rings with Tony on it, you know you're going to get the, I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed in the way things were handled. And sometimes that hits different.
Speaker 2Yeah, it does, doesn't it? Persian spirit will be hard to beat, Harry.
Speaker 12Yeah, he will be. I was sort of, Saturday looked perfect, but I suppose four days. Four days later, what's it matter? But yeah, he'll get the right run and hopefully run really well and go into bigger and better things.
Speaker 2And I live another day. You might be heading to the Everest, but you've got to get through the Bobby Lewis first of all, and then the Manicato. But what an exciting horse this is. And I reckon you'll love this horse. Obviously, he's very good, Harry, but you're a country boy from the Mallee. This is great for country Victoria to have a superstar like him representing the bush.
Speaker 12Yeah, it is. Obviously, they're easy to love when they're fast, Gareth, but he's just, yeah, the complete sprinter. He's very fast. He does things right, and he can handle all sort of types of scenarios. So it's very exciting going forward. But yeah, I'm really keen for Saturday, and then I think the Manicato is a great race for him. And then what comes after that, we'll have to wait and see. But yeah, it's awesome to be involved with a horse like him. He's sort of only in his early stages as well. I thought Tom's done it. He's done a brilliant job with prepping him up and building his profile and making him the complete sprinter. And hopefully, we get rewarded in the next few weeks.
Speaker 2He's speaking like a proper jockey now, looking after the trainers.
Speaker 8I've just had a text message from Osty Coffee saying, can you hit up Gareth to donate to the cause on Sunday? Yeah, I will, 100%. So Osty's on to you.
Speaker 2I haven't done it yet, to be honest,
Speaker 12but I should have done it yesterday. Gareth says every year that he's coming, Kelvin, but he doesn't. He's always up too late watching the trots or the greyhounds.
Speaker 2Hey, I'll be there this year. Hey, we're going to let you go, Harry. We've got another one of your trainers to support you that's about to join me in Gavin Bedgegood. So good luck today, mate, and good luck on Saturday as well. And I'll see you on Sunday morning.
Speaker 12All right, thanks, boys. Appreciate it. There we go.
Speaker 2Hey, boys, any winners? You got picks and mix today, full confidence?
Speaker 8Yeah, I like full confidence.
Speaker 2Are we backing it or not, Kelvin?
Speaker 8Yeah, she's just got to handle the soft ground. But very nice filly, as mentioned. I think Nyarko Frode's in terrific form, going into the Archer on Saturday.
Speaker 2That'll be some training performance. Yeah, going for five in a row, Gareth.
Speaker 8So hard to do. Judas Tree on Saturday will run a nice race in the Mike Maroney. Fantastic that there's a race named after Mike. And yeah, the team's ticking along quite nicely. Half yours, he'll run very well in a race short of his trip. And yeah, but I think Nyarko Frode will be hard to beat.
Speaker 7Making a decision in the next 17 minutes, whether we're going to run Virto or give him one more trial. If he runs, he'll be a good chance. I've got a couple running at sale on Sunday that you should probably be looking at.
Speaker 10Yes.
Speaker 7Collada Queen. I think she's going particularly well. Need to get her barrier manners right, which we've been working on very diligently.
Speaker 10Yes.
Speaker 7And a little maiden called Zane Zena, who I reckon will run a very nice race first up.
Speaker 2Anything from that hut?
Speaker 7Any tips from the boys? They usually come on Saturday mornings in the hut. You need to get part of our...
Speaker 8Dennis Pagan's tipping one on Saturday. He's tipping a first starter called Shoko in Morocco. I'm not sure, but it's a first starter. We're in the Mike Moroney.
Speaker 2Gareth, there's a lot of great ideas on this show and appreciate the conversational debate. I think one of the most important things for both states is the development plan for the next generation's involvement in the sport. I don't think driving up prize money against the two states is the best way to go about it. We need to focus on how 18 to 25-year-old men and women become interested. I'm 21, and you need to focus on the horse, the race, more podcasts. And there's a lot of great podcasts and great racing show. You spoke of Matty Nevitt. He's a star. He does a great job. There's a lot of terrific young people, the racing preview show, just to name a few that are doing a terrific job. And more clips, merch, autumn glow hats, skiddy-up hats, flags. Tab do a great job with the tab time, allowing small punters to get on $4 or $5, a bit like what Bet365 do with the Mega Boost horse. So we need to focus on the actual sport itself. That's where the heart is. That's a terrific text message from one of our listeners. And I'll read a few of those text messages. We've got hundreds of them today as the morning unfolds. But it's been a busy show as always. Good on you, Kelvin. Thank you, Gareth. Good on you, Troy. Thanks, Jake. There we go. Troy Causton's Kelvin McEvoy. That's the Wednesday Agenda. Gavin Bedge could join me next for Beyond the Barriers.
Speaker 1Join the conversation. Text us on 0499 736 736. Live across Australia. This is. Giddea with Gareth Hall. Welcome back to Giddea.
Speaker 2Well, thanks to Bet365. Well, since we started off, I'll start at Beyond the Barriers. We've had some terrific guests, Mick Price, Kelvin McEvoy, David Gailey was superb, Anthony Mithen told some wonderful stories as well. So we've had terrific people that have joined us for Beyond the Barriers because the best part about racing, and I've always said this, is that the people that it produces and the stories that it produces. And one of the great stories is Gavin Bedgegood. One of our best trainers now. He started off this season on fire. He was a jumps jockey that won all of the big races when it comes came to jumps racing. And he has a story to tell. And he joins us now here for Beyond the Barriers on this Wednesday. Hello to you, Gav. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. We might have to get you closer into the microphone, brother. It is a story, isn't it really? That what you've been able to achieve. I think you just turned 40 there the other day. But how did you get into the racing game? Were you born into it?
Speaker 13No, definitely not. There was some girls that I went to school with that had ponies and went down there with them a few times. And there was something I enjoyed. And that led to sort of going to pony club and getting a weekend job and school holidays at the stables to leaving school and starting an apprenticeship. So your family had no involvement? None whatsoever.
Speaker 2And so how did you get into pony club then? What inspired you to do that? Well, just the girls went down there one day
Speaker 13and there was about a dozen of them. And yeah, it just went from there. Yeah. Was it love at first sight, I guess, with the horse? Yeah, I guess. It was something I enjoyed and I didn't really know a lot about it. And it just went from there.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 13What about you? So how did you get into the racing game then? Who gave you your first job? I went to pony club with a girl called Amber and her father, Steve Hamilton. He was in charge of the Cranbourne Training Complex of the morning and he still is. And he got me a weekend job working at Robbie Griffiths's and that led to school holidays, to leaving school and moving in with Robbie and Sharani where I spent probably two years and they looked after me like family.
Speaker 2Yeah. And what was that experience like then? Did you think that it would be how it eventuated there with Robbie at first?
Speaker 13I went there to be an apprentice and I got, got too heavy very quickly, but I stayed there and I learned a lot and really enjoyed my time there.
Speaker 2What was the, what was your first impression? You know, when you walk into something new, what, what did you learn the most with your time there at Robbie Griffiths's?
Speaker 13I just learned everything from scratch, really. I got given a certain amount of jobs that I had to do to, to get done before I went to the track of a morning and I'd never ridden track work. So I was really lucky whilst I was there. There was blokes like Robbie Scarlett, Ivan Calaver, um, Peter Mertens, um, yeah, the list goes on that, that were there riding work of a morning and Luke Curry was apprentice there, Fabian Vilela, and they sort of taught me how to ride. And, um, you know, then living with Robbie as well, there was, you know, a lot that went on before Simon. Um, but like out in the office of an evening, there was always a conference call, um, Ivan, Dean Lester, Peter Mertens, and they, it was before, you know, race replays and the internet, they would print out the form and go through it and work at what they were running and what they weren't.
Speaker 2Yeah. And obviously you were close to the great Dean Lester, the late great Dean Lester, and he was best mates with Robbie Griffiths. So that would have been, um, that would have been an interesting time learning the ropes and especially with those conversations there with Dino and Robbie and the jocks trying to work out the best possible plan for these horses to win races. Yeah. Very much so. Yeah. Um, and so when did you realize that you were going to be too heavy?
Speaker 13Pretty quickly. Um, I moved in there and I was probably on the same diet as Robbie and, uh, yeah, blew out pretty quickly. But, um, I got a license as an amateur rider and rode at the picnics for a couple of seasons and then that progressed into getting my license to ride over jumps. Do you think if you had your time again, you could have done it differently?
Speaker 2Or is it just, you were always going to be too heavy? Oh. Look like you see Jamie Mott these days.
Speaker 13Yeah. Fair play to him. Cause he's six foot seven. and tall um i'm not tall in stature i'm broad but yeah i've always yeah we'll go with that
Speaker 2and so um what was it like and what did you learn on the picnic circuit because you had
Speaker 13great success you won nearly every picnic cup basically um i suppose learned how to ride a race and um i was pretty green when i started and uh you know i think the two years that i rode i finished runner up on the premiership to adam bode both times and um you know it was a lot of fun yeah what do you learn about the horse when you ride those type of horses well they're all pretty slow and uh you're riding on tricky tracks they're tight turning and um i was a left-hander so it probably wasn't ideal at the start because more often than not i'd get um itchy fingers and shanghai things on the corner trying to carve them up in the left so i suppose as time went by you'd be able to ride a lot of them and i think that's what i learned about the race you tried to to learn how to ride a race and did you think from that experience has helped you
Speaker 2with your training career especially like you you're well known for turning horses around with
Speaker 13tried horses um i just probably having had ridden it gives you a better idea of how a race will be run and you know things don't always work out so i hate tying riders down to a certain way i want them ridden i'll say you know this is how i think that the race will work out but at the end of the you're riding it and if that doesn't work that way well you have a plan b it's 23 minutes past
Speaker 2nine my special guest on giddy up this morning is gavin bedge could to be on the barriers we're going to take a break on the other side of it we're going to have a chat about his successful career as a jump jockey
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 live across australia this is giddy up with gareth hall
Speaker 2welcome back to giddy up 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 to join our conversation if you've got a question for gavin bedge could um who's my special guest for beyond the barriers this morning as we talk about his philosophies when it comes to training horses the journey that he's had so far in this game that we all love um gav for jumps jockey um you were very good at it um in that caper but what inspired you to be a jumps jockey um i was really excited to be a jumps jockey i was really excited to be a
Speaker 13jumps jockey i was riding track work for chris highland and he had two pretty good ones at the time he had a horse called liquid lunch and he he won a grand national steeplechase and a south australian national hurdle and he had another horse muckle tayo and he runs second in a grand annual to real tonic i think it was and um i used to school those horses a lot and rode them work every day and sort of really started to follow the sport and it just went from there
Speaker 2so like when did you realize that you could be good at it at this this this um being a jumps jockey uh i wasn't very good at the start pretty average and
Speaker 13what was the toughest part about it uh when i first started i was schooling horses for eric musgrove and i was schooling horses for chris highland and there were two trainers that wanted their horses ridden very different um chris's horses left him alone during a race uh eric always wanted his horses positively ridden into a into a jump and i suppose a lot of people just used to get a bit confused like um riding for two different stables like that and how they wanted them ridden and it took a bit of getting used to and as i said i wasn't very good at the start um but i sort of i got there in the end i guess what makes a great jumps jockey um being able to ride a good race and um and being able to see a stride really well i suppose yeah
Speaker 2i like it's such a different skill set in a way making sure you approach the jumps finding all the horses in rhythm um and obviously you've got to think like i would get lost going around the
Speaker 13grand annual course at warnerball yeah it's uh takes a bit of getting used to it's a it's a tricky circuit and um you can win and lose a race in a lot of different spots of that course yeah
Speaker 2um well you're great you've had you won a grand annual of course but what was your greatest moment in your your rise when it came to to your career over the jumps um i rode for
Speaker 13robbie lang i suppose predominantly for a long time um he had a horse called mazacano and um i won the novice hurdle on him at warnerball at the may carnival and i think it was my first winner in victoria and my first carnival winner and um i think i won seven in a row on that horse he won an australian by 20 lengths and he won a chris steeplechase at his next start and he actually broke down so he didn't race for two years that horse and um robbie got him back he never had a flat run and he he won the australian first up yeah and um i think he gave about 10 kilos away to the rest of the field and um it was really good being involved in that horse's preparation because a lot of work went in behind the scenes to get that horse to where he needed to be on that day he was a magician wasn't he robbie lang he was fantastic um you know people will label him a jumps trainer but he had you know good horses of different calibers like roman archie australian cup um he always won an early two-year-old race before christmas always you know he had a lot of marabin on plate winners while i was there um he just consistently turned out winners over all different sorts of uh journeys and types of horses yeah and he delivered some of
Speaker 2the greatest ever training performances really when you look back at his career what did you learn
Speaker 13most from robbie lang oh every horse is different and you know look at your horse and um you know just because it's a tuesday doesn't mean it has to be a tuesday it doesn't mean it has to be a tuesday it doesn't mean it has to be a tuesday it doesn't mean it has to be a tuesday it doesn't mean it has to gallop um see its recovery and and get to know your horse i suppose yeah um winning a grand
Speaker 2annual describe that yeah that was great um banner strand was the horse of course for johnny wheeler
Speaker 13yeah i rode him for the first time at oak bank in the in the von duser and and um the great eastern and he ran very well in a von duser and he was average in a great eastern and um i actually remember clint mcdonald ringing me to yeah ride a horse of his called grizz in the briley and um grizz probably would have been one of the favorites richard calendar owned it and yeah i remember ringing brett scott and saying can i get off banner strand for the briley and just ride him in the annual and he said you ride him in both or you don't ride him at all and and missing a grand annual would be like watching the melbourne cup from the sidelines i suppose so i had to ring clinton back and so i couldn't get off that horse and i remember what was his response no that i was an idiot and i had no chance and i think grizz ended up breaking down the week leading into the race and never started and banner strand ran second in the briley and i thought he was probably unlucky not to win he got pole axed at the second last and then he come out and uh and won the annual two days later were you confident heading into the annual of the briley run definitely yeah and how do you win an annual like what type of force do you need uh something that's going to run the journey something that's just going to drop its head relax and uh and it jumps well yeah and like when do you win an annual
Speaker 2like where so if you're watching it from the hill and you're watching these horses um jump over those 25 obstacles like when do you like how do you win it what do you need to do
Speaker 13right um just save ground um it's obviously five and a half thousand meters and you need to get your horse to switch off and jump well and i reckon you normally know your fate just after toes of road there if you've got a horse underneath you still when you straighten up down the back there and you're probably still 12 1400 for you and you're probably still 12 1400 for you from home um you'll know if you're going to be competitive or not and can i would imagine it
Speaker 2be a special feeling turning for home knowing that you're in contention of winning a grand annual when you can you hear that roar from the hill yeah very much so you can hear it from about
Speaker 13the second third last fence i reckon so um i probably didn't think i could win jump in the last but there was two that were sort of still a distance away in front of me and they started to go up and down the one spot and my horse just out whacked them better on the day can you
Speaker 2explain can you compare that feeling of winning a grand annual to say when you won your first group
Speaker 13one there in nz um probably two very different things like um winning a group one as a trainer like a lot of work goes into it and um preparing your horse to get there and as a rider um you know winning is great but if you ride one bad you you get off it and you say sorry and and you walk away and you don't really think about it again so i suppose you find a new respect for for trainers um having been on both sides of the fence and i guess but
Speaker 2with those jumps horses that you rode you did have a big association with them doing the work say with robbie lang and and working for those different trainers as well yeah very much so like
Speaker 13sir pentire i'd sort of ridden that horse nine mornings out of ten for probably six months and i broke my collarbone 10 days before the race and uh how difficult was that oh that was like the biggest kick in the guts i've ever had in racing to to ride that horse since before christmas that year and um that race was always where he was heading and i'd ridden him in i don't know how many hurdle and steeple trials in the lead up to it and then to yeah miss out um so close to the day and uh i hadn't won one at that stage so i remember watch i went to the carnival and i remember watching the race and just got in my car and drove home straight away yeah and so was that difficult yeah i was pretty disappointed like i said before it's The grand annual for a jumping jockey would be like a Melbourne cup. So, um, um it's the highlight of the year for everybody and it was a real big kick in the especially the
Speaker 2story behind that horse and just as you can describe what robbie lang did that day yeah
Speaker 13the bloke was a magician he um how long was it in work for no how long why how what was he coming off that break i don't think he had run over jumps for three years last run he had fallen into hiskins at mooney valley and he was a good horse on his day like i think he won a saint ledger as a three-year-old yeah um but he'd sort of lost his way on on the flat and um he always showed plenty of promise but he's jumping probably needed to improve and um yeah he did a great job to to prepare him for that race on the day yeah no one would be able to do that what he did
Speaker 2today what he did back then with sir pentire
Speaker 13oh what do you reckon no you see blokes like kiramar he gets them very fit and uh and patrick pain i think if they were sort of put in the same situation with that sort of horse it could be done for sure um and so how long did it take you to get over that then um on the day i was pretty disappointed but um what could you do about it time goes by and uh you just um need to try and
Speaker 2find another one i guess um you don't seem to train many jumps horses these days is that by
Speaker 13choice or um no it's not by choice but the way it is it's not by choice it's not by choice it's not the way the the season's structured now and the calendar it's it's very hard for a trainer on my side of town the whole calendar is pretty much based in the western districts of victoria um you know you it's expensive for an owner and i think look i've got two jumping jockeys that ride track work for me every morning and i'd love to be able to support them but um it's expensive for your owners it's time consuming it's it's on a sunday and um if i'm honest i don't know if i'm going to be able to support them but i'm going to be able to support i try not to have runners on a sunday if i can unless it's the right race for a horse and it's got to go but um if you're driving to castanet and hamilton and those places it's it's your whole sunday gone and then you've got to get up and go again on a monday do you miss it um i did for the first year or two probably not so much now but i love watching it and uh and following the boys um that i know that's still right are you fearful for jumps racing in this state i am yep
Speaker 2yeah and what should they do about it then like i think racing victoria have supported it um and obviously they had that that review and to the credit to everybody involved in the jumps racing fraternity like from the welfare point of view they have absolutely been superb with the way that they've turned that around um but obviously it's got its challenges once again we saw field sizes in a way and we had a chat to shane jackson he said they just need to change the programming we're closely with racing victoria and they're not going to be able to do that so they're going to be able to do it with racing victoria and and see if they can sort that out but what do you think the challenges are i think the safety aspect of things has become really good
Speaker 13like yes um fatalities are down um riders are pulling up fatigued horses so i think they've got that part of the sport right but i just think the way that the calendar is structured now i grew up riding work at cranbourne and you had if you were a jumping jockey that didn't ride work out of cranbourne you were pretty much wasting your time it was very hard to you know you had a few trainers up the western districts that had horses but it's totally changed now trainers at cranbourne that might have had a horse that stayed and they weren't sure they'd get their chance to be schooled up and and trialed up with the trials being at cranbourne frequently they're not there anymore and i understand why the way that the training complex is now it's just not feasible there's the volume of horses that are there now and and the traffic that we get on our grass tracks there and i think that's a big part of it and i think that's a big part of it and i think that's a big part of it and i think that's a big part of it and i think that's a big part of it we couldn't still hold the trials as well um but i suppose there's nothing on this side of town now so those people could there but what could there be something on this side of town or your side of town i'm not really sure i'm probably not really qualified now to speak on it but um i just think there's a lot of trainers that would probably try one that now don't because it's they
Speaker 2just go too hard basket yeah it's 9 38 this is beyond the barriers my special guest is gavin we're going to take a break um and on the other side of it we're going to talk about his trading career um so that's coming up next
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Speaker 2gareth hall welcome back to giddy up this is beyond the barriers on this wednesday morning it's 9 41 my special guest is gavin bedge could um gav so when did you realize that you wanted to be a horse trainer
Speaker 13um i think while i was riding over jumps i always sort of took a pretty keen interest and um followed a horse's preparation and um asked a lot of questions and you know i always had an interest in in training it when i was finished riding you mentioned that you work with a lot
Speaker 2of great trainers especially cranburn um was there one particular trainer that was a mentor to you that you took a lot of before you kicked off your training career
Speaker 13probably robbie um i was there for 13 years so he taught me a lot and um you know probably a lot of what to do and not what not to do um i used to you know hammer him all the time about he he used to like racing close to home he never liked to travel much and i used to say you know i would i reckon you'd get 20 odd more winners a season if you you traveled a bit first and then further but um he was happy doing what he was doing and um he picked the race for a horse and that's where it ran regardless of its barrier or how strong the opposition was really what do you think that your greatest strength is um i probably get really involved into the form i watch a lot of replays can sometimes be to my detriment because um i probably scare myself off sometimes but um i've always got a pretty good read on how i think the race will be run and how that horse should be ridden and you've started
Speaker 2this season on fire like your strike rate's enormous i think you're going at 32 and a half percent um winning strike rate 20 in town you've already had six winners in town um so it's been a great start to uh this season which started of course at the start of august um but you've had so much success with tried horses as well and i guess every trainer that's really kicking off their career that's one way to really hit the ground running to get tried horses and to get horses and to try and have an immediate impact with them um what's been the key to your success
Speaker 13with those type of horses you think oh look they're all different um when we first started out we didn't have any owners and we didn't have any money so it started off english digital and it was probably a bit of a different um way then you know you could buy horses cheap um it's probably not that way now if you're trying to buy something you're probably not going to be able to buy something with that had decent form at some point you're probably paying a premium for them now and um that's that's how we got going when you first started did you think it would be easier or harder uh no i was when you look back now i've been around long enough so i was under no illusion that it was going to be easy but i sort of said to myself i'll try it for three years and if i couldn't make a living out of it or be successful i didn't want to do it i'd be probably better off going and being an assistant or or a foreman for another trainer when
Speaker 2was that turning point that you realize that you do belong that you can make a go of this
Speaker 13oh just that we got consistent winners and and each year we sort of improved on the season before
Speaker 2yeah what's the toughest part for being like you're 40 years of age but you're still relatively young when it comes to the training caper what's the biggest challenge that faces you right now even though you've had so much success with the opportunities that you've had um probably selling
Speaker 13your young stock because we'd um build our brand and our name off um off the back of tridor's purchases people sort of pigeonhole you as that trainer so um we've tried to to go to the yearling sales over the last four or five years and and buy what we liked but what we could afford at the same time and more often than not those horses i'll carry them for for 12 months or through to the trials and then i can sell them off the off the jump outs but um you know i haven't uh got jonathan munns and and cool more behind me like calvin was saying earlier like um we've sort of had to do it the hard way i guess um it's a different different
Speaker 2game in a way these days like you see a lot of the trainers that have had success they're very good horse people there's no doubt about that and they get the results um but it's become a game where you have to be a marketing company at the end of the day where you've got to get on the phone you've got to try and talk to these big owners um build relationships and then get these horses to your stable and then get the results um have you found that challenging definitely it's probably
Speaker 13not one of my strong points um if i buy a yearling and you know i get it through to the trials and it probably hasn't shown us a lot well i couldn't put mayo on that horse and still try and sell it i've probably just come to the conclusion that i've got to carry that horse and uh and hope we can turn it into something um but um not a very good self-promoter i would rather just train winners and let that do the talking for us
Speaker 2um but it has become more of a relationship type of game really isn't it that it's 20 years ago what the trainers and owners and their relationship were like it's completely changed now in in 2026 and i i think that you've been putting in different strategies and and and um to make
Speaker 13sure that you improve in that area in a way gav yeah definitely um jason bembo who used to be a jockey he's just come on board and he's started coming to the races over saturday and and um i suppose liaising with our owners and um coming to the trials and track work on a fast morning to um get a bit of a idea of how to do it and i think that's what i've been doing for the last couple of years and i think that's what i've been doing for the last couple of years and i think that's what i've been doing for the last couple of years how the stable's running and um hopefully that can grow and he started doing newsletter things
Speaker 2like that so it's good delegating i guess because it's not just a it's a massive business it's not like training horses is just part of it these days it's yeah probably not really been a strength of
Speaker 13mine i'm uh i'm not a very good delegator and um probably a bit of a control freak and that's probably why the size of my stable works well for me rather than being bigger than what we are and that's why the size of my stable works well for me rather than being bigger than what we are and that's why the size of my stable works well for me rather than being bigger than what we are and there's always sort of between five and ten at the pre-trainers that are um waiting to come in so one goes out one comes in and pretty much just keeps working around like that and you think that that's the perfect number where you can make a living from it and and and get the results that you're getting at the moment um i tried doing 60 for a couple of months last year and it didn't really work for me but i think i'm not saying i wouldn't try it again but you've got to have the right people um and the right systems in place it's been interesting with beyond the
Speaker 2barriers like mick price sat where you sat and he said that his biggest regret is he didn't go big enough early enough and then nick ryan he was interested and he i think he had a chat to mick price about that because he he was a bit like you he went too big and then lost his way and then he's come back and he's got a number now that he's comfortable with where he can write track work and um feel that he's on top of everything like that yeah i think
Speaker 13like we could probably be double the size that we are but it's comfortable for me at the moment um without the right i suppose assistant or foreman um it's very hard to to keep your finger on the pulse and still get the success that we've been getting um with more so 45 is comfortable for me at the moment it just means you've got to be a little bit more um i suppose ruthless when horses have met their mark or something that's not towing the line they've got to move on somewhere weaker and you know and i think that's a really good point i'm pretty honest and realistic with owners and i would say 90 of it my ownership would appreciate that and you get the 10 they probably don't reinvest and move on somewhere else and that's fine um i'm not everybody's cup of tea but um one thing i am is i'm honest
Speaker 2oh four double nine seven three six seven three six to join our conversation gavin bedgwood is my special guest um and it's great to catch up with gab we're going to continue on our chat with him straight after this you
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Speaker 2don't forget the caulfield underwood stakes saturday the 19th of september group one racing and afl finals action from 25 that will be a fun day you got the sir rupert clark stakes as well it'll be preliminary final weekend so make sure you snap up your tickets there at ticket tech with the mrc and we'll see you next week you'll play a part in the underwood stakes your group one winner will be going around i would imagine in kingswood yeah that's his next target yeah um can you win a group one in this country
Speaker 13i think so um he's i think he's improved off his win the other day his coats improved his gallop yesterday indicates that he definitely hasn't regressed so um as long as he gets a fair track he doesn't want to you know a soft seven or worse he doesn't want a good three so you know anywhere between that five six right now he's got a good three so he's got a good three so
Speaker 2range be ideal i think who's been the most important horse to you in your training career oh you'd have to say mornington glory yeah yeah describe that day when you won that group one
Speaker 13um yeah it was a bit surreal i think um i didn't feel deserving of it because i've worked at cranbourne for so long and i've seen plenty of great trainers down there that uh have been going at it a lot longer than what i had and um hadn't been able to win a group one and we're still chasing it so i think it's a good thing to be able to win a group one and i think it's a good thing to be able to win a group one and i think it's a good thing to be able to win a group one and i'd sort of won one you know in the first five or six years that we've been training did
Speaker 2that change your life in a way not your life but like how much did that help you kick along get a kick along with your training career and your business probably not a lot like um did that surprise you did you think that it might do a little bit more not really because as i said
Speaker 13previously like people have pigeonholed us tried horse trainer he was retired and um we got him to to run through to that mark and and and people just sort of went well just another tried horse i guess so no one's ringing up and sending you a healing off is that frustrate you no not really um and how can you change their philosophy just got to try and um i suppose reinvent the wheel try and get young winners and we've done that this year i think we bought eight yearlings last year i think five of them have already raced and and four of them have been at the races and we've done that this year i think we bought eight yearlings last year i think one so they've only just turned three and um el montego won at flemington on the first of august and um one won a maiden at moe yesterday should drill and another one burning hearts she won as a two-year-old at sandown so um for what we've had um i think we're doing a good job is it a
Speaker 2different challenge with the yearlings and getting them um up to the races compared to buying these
Speaker 13tried horses oh you go a different way about things but i don't know if it's a challenge no um which is easier um probably the tried horses yeah um yeah we just we've had a higher volume of them come through and uh we've we've had more success at it so um so mornington glory
Speaker 2and then kingswood um so when you get a tried horse into your stable and there's been just folk and we could name there's a few more that we could name but so what do you do do you just do you look at its form do you ring the other trainer or do you just look at it clear your mind um send him for a spell and start from scratch uh last
Speaker 13thing i would do is ring the other trainer because i just think it clouds your judgment if you ring them and ask them you're probably just going to do what they had done so i would prefer to start from a blank canvas have a look at the horse um definitely look at its form and you know if it's had plenty of racing and it arrives and it looks like it's in need of a spell well we've had good success just starting again and i think it's a good thing to do and i think it's a good thing to do again and um and pressing reset um but sometimes they arrive a change of scenery a different environment um it can i suppose stimulate them and and that's how you can get a result too yeah
Speaker 2um you mentioned morning glory is one of the most important horses that you've had you've had um what's been your your most satisfying horse in a way the job that you've been able to do
Speaker 13probably him yes because he was a he had he had his issues didn't he yeah and look he came to me with a pretty big spruiky he won a maiden at bendigo at his first start and he was right in the markets for a cool more stud stakes and i think he ran well on a dane hill and um things sort of went pear-shaped for him he was having a hard arrhythmia and um the ownership decided to uh to put him away and retire him and um i bought a tried horse called charlemagne and we were able to win a race at mooney valley with him um i think it was his second start for us and um the owners then sent him and uh said see how you go yeah um it's 9 56 we're going to take a
Speaker 2break in just a moment you seem to place your horses really well gav i try to um i don't like
Speaker 13going to the races if i don't think that they can can be competitive and you know different if there's a long range plan and they have to run but um more often than not if i don't think they can you know figure in the top four i'd rather scratch and find another race for them how much work do you need to put in to all of that yeah plenty um you know we've got two runners tomorrow so this afternoon i'll spend a couple of hours watching a lot of replays and um you know working out um where i think they fit and uh and go from there um and even trying to work out where they go from network where they go next yeah look you know quite often we've got horses that have of sort of that 62 to 70 benchmark rating so there's there's lots of options for them and quite often i'll throw in a lot of nominations and follow the progressive acceptances and just try and pick the right race for them don't go anywhere gav we're going to ask you
Speaker 2there's plenty of questions coming through on the garrett's horse and hound text line um and then i've got a few more questions for you before we let you go mate but we appreciate you coming in this is beyond the barriers with gavin bedgcourt you
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 live Across Australia, this is Giddy Up with Gareth Hall.
Speaker 2Welcome back to Giddy Up. My special guest to be on the barrier today is Gavin Bedgegood. And it's been, I've had a lot of fun and enjoyed my chat with Gav today. What a trainer he is as well. And I think the best part about you, Gav, when you come on our show on Giddy Up, that you rarely miss when you tip one. Do you enjoy a punt? Yeah, I don't mind it. Yeah. Is it an important part of your business? I know there's some trainers that use it as part of their business because if you're good at it, you can make money. And you obviously, hearing from you this morning, you put in a lot of time doing the form and ticking all of those boxes before you get ready to compete.
Speaker 13Yeah, look, I wouldn't support every runner we have go around. I might not have a bet for a month, but, you know, we try and identify one that we like and think it's going well and go from there. Do you enjoy training for punting owners? Probably not so much. There's a bit of pressure involved. But it's good when it comes off and you can give them a good push.
Speaker 2Do you enjoy setting those horses up for a bet?
Speaker 13Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 2What's your favourite?
Speaker 13What's the greatest G-Bedge good punting story? Kingswood, his first run at Sandown Forest. I think they opened him up at 80s and he jumped about $6 at the death. So that was a good result and maybe Annamarada, but I think the Hayes boys. Let that one out of the bag. Tell us what happened that day. Um, I got sent a horse and my job from the moment it walked into my stables was they didn't care where it won. They just wanted to have a bet at its first start. And, uh, yeah, Julie saluted.
Speaker 2And you said that the Hayes, I think someone sent out a voice message saying, well, this horse, whenever it starts, it's a good horse. I'd be getting on.
Speaker 13Yeah, I think I got accused of that. Uh, as soon as the market, it's opened up, it was well supported. I think it was on, you know, on a Friday and Wednesday afternoon it was backed and not that silly. Um, but it was, it was asked the question and, uh, it definitely wasn't me. And, um,
Speaker 2that must've been frustrating because you would have been wanting for it. Like everyone is updating these prices. I would imagine seeing when these markets open and you just don't know when they're going to open.
Speaker 13No, it's the time. And I knew those owners. Yeah. Yeah. Weren't going to be backing it on a Wednesday. So, um, we weren't sure you couldn't have had it off. It's jump out. So it's sort of just been poking around out the back and, um, yeah, then that following evening, we, we all received an audio and, uh, it's sort of spread like wildfire from there. And I ended up turning my phone off on the way to the races. Cause, uh, I think everybody had received it.
Speaker 2Yeah. Uh, were you nervous? Not really. Did you think about scratching? Cause you missed the price. No, no. Um, tell us about the Kingswood story then. So, um, when did you start backing him and, and did you, you're able to keep this one pretty quiet?
Speaker 13Uh, just chipped away at it from the Wednesday night, just the small amounts. And then, uh, it just went from there. He had shown us plenty and he, you know, he'd been pretty well exposed, um, at the trials. I thought he had trolled up well, and, um, I suppose his, his first two runs in Australia had probably been. Um, a little bit below par, but he had probably run at unsuitable distances, but, um, we'd been able to get a pretty good gauge on, on how well he went in the lead up to it.
Speaker 2And you were like, um, how confident were you? Did you think it was just a, you just put him in the barriers and away he'll go?
Speaker 13Oh, no, I don't know about that. In a Mirada, yes, but, um, he was probably an eight out of 10 confidence. There you go.
Speaker 2Um, have you got another one coming up for us? You probably won't tell us after all that. What a stupid question, Gary. Did you back Kingswood the other day? Yeah. In Just Folk? I did. Yeah. Um, it was a big price. Obviously there was Calvin's horse that had big reps on him. Um, yellow jersey that was a short price favorite. So why did you think he was, and you mentioned it on the first word. I think the boys had you on, um, and you gave them a good push.
Speaker 13He just had had a really uninterrupted preparation. He was probably ready to go two weeks prior to him stepping out. And I just had to back off him almost because I remember he went over to the turf. Club at Cranbourne for a jump out and Kieran had a lot of his stays resuming in that same trial. And I looked at my horse in comparison to them and I thought, well, my horse is too forward for, for where he, he probably needs to be in comparison to them. So we just upped his feed and backed off him for a little bit. And, um, yeah, I knew that he was forward enough in his work and, um, look, obviously there was a big spruik around with yellow jersey, but he hadn't, um, he's like, he's lightly raced and he hadn't done it here in Australia. So my horse had, um, you know, he was, I suppose, proven. Who's your favorite jockey to put on when you're having a punt? Oh, no, no rider necessarily. I have a lot of luck with Jamie Martin. He probably rides the bulk of our horses. Um, but yeah, just, I just try and pick the right rider to suit that horse.
Speaker 2And then, um, and then like, um, obviously you work at Cranbourne. So is there any trainers that you keep an eye on that you, uh, um, that inspire you, but you look at how they go about it in a way?
Speaker 13Well, the way all your bigger trainers, they're all in the on-course stable. So they all work out of their barn. Um, but I see grain bags, horses in passing of a morning and they just look immaculate. They never have a hair out of place. They're lovely and healthy. And, um, yeah, he would be someone that I would look up to. He's just, he runs his horses where they can win and he's got a great overall record.
Speaker 2Plenty of questions coming through. Gavin's great masterpiece was to get Keats up and running. How did he do that? Even the late Mike Moroney was baffled.
Speaker 13Um, he was pretty stale when he first arrived. He had sort of gone from being in a metropolitan environment at Flemington where he was trained out of a box and we got him. And, um, I suppose we changed things up. He, he went from a stable. To, to living out in the yard during the day and working on a circular track like Flemington to, to working on the Sandhills out at Cranbourne. So just different things like that. Um, he had a great capacity, that horse. So, um, we identified his, his assets and, um, and his weaknesses and he is one of his strengths was his ability to hold a good gallop. So we used to try and ride him accordingly.
Speaker 2Great work on the street that you're going on at the moment, Beji. What are the wins that stick out as a job? What's the one race that you would love to win now?
Speaker 13Um, hopefully Caulfield Cup.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 13That's the race. Yeah. No, I would have always said a Cox Plate because, um, the amphitheater and it's just, I still remember the very first time I walked into Moonee Valley. Um, but it's probably going to be a little bit different now. So, um, it would be weird winning a Cox Plate at Flemington, but, um, yeah. You definitely wouldn't, uh, shy away from it either.
Speaker 2We've got a couple of three-year-olds, um, one on race with Gavin. His communications are fantastic. That's from Mark. Um, hi, Gareth, uh, great program. Thank you. Listening to the talent of Gavin Bejgood begs a question. Name me the former jockey and that have gone on to become horse trainers, e.g. Michelle Payne, Chris Munns, Kira Marr, Phillip Stokes, et cetera. Um, I think that's a statement that's from Graham from Geelong. Um, do you ride track work still these days?
Speaker 13Um, probably not as much as I would like to, um, we've got an apprentice on loan at the moment. So, um, I've probably the last couple of months taken more of a back seat and watched more than what I've ridden, I suppose.
Speaker 2Yeah. Um, g'day Gavin Gazza. What's Gavin's most exciting horse he has in the stable for the spring?
Speaker 13Um, probably Kingswood off his, off his first up run. He would be our banner horse, um, hedged. I know he was probably, you know, disappointing to the eye to a few people. First up, but I just think a thousand meters, you know, you've got horses for courses and he's probably a horse that's better at 1200. So hopefully he can, um, be vindicated on Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker 2Um, what's his main aim Underwood after that would, that'd be a great grand final for him, but do you try and get him to a Cox plate?
Speaker 13Uh, Kingswood. Yeah. Probably more a Caulfield Cup. I wouldn't think he's got the, the acceleration for a Cox plate, but we'll just take each run as it comes.
Speaker 2150th year of a Caulfield Cup. We're 16th year. I think $6 million would be a great year to win it. Very much.
Speaker 13So, and do you think he can, uh, look, he's still probably a little bit unknown at a mile and a half, but he's one run for me at that trip was on very wet ground. I think the track went from a four to a nine that day, and he started favoring in a zipping classic and he just doesn't go a yard in it. So I think, um, w with the right conditions on the day and the right lead up to it. Yeah, I, I think so.
Speaker 2She's, that would be some story as an owner with him, with a few horses, he's knowledge of. Horses ceiling and ability when to move it on, um, and reinvest is second to none. He doesn't keep a horse for the sake of it, honest and truthful. So that's one of your owners. Um, and there's a host of questions coming through. We are running out of time, but veggie, how do you get a horse with you? Because, um, that's come, that's a question that a few people have asked. So how do you get involved with Gavin Bedgegood racing? Cause there are a few horses that, and I think some exciting horses that are, have got shares that are still available.
Speaker 13Yeah, we've got a website. Um, veggoodracing.com.au and, and all the the yearling purchases that we've made this year on there there might even be a couple of sort of three two-year-olds that have now turned three so um i think we've bought some really nice horses this year and we've tried to buy horses that are going to run early they're not going to be waiting 12 18 months to get to the races to try and as i said break that mold and um get some early two-year-olds because i think that's what we need to do so um i think there's some really nice horses there and hopefully a couple of them can put their hand up if you've got a punters club
Speaker 2i'm just asking for a friend to you they've got a punters club and they've got 10 or 15 thousand dollars to spend what horse would you recommend that we go in or they go in uh we've got a really
Speaker 13nice philly by overshare and the source the source is a um a half relation to the quarterback yeah just looks fast looks early it's had a few gallops already and um just had a little break and back in work and you know a good judge like clint mcdonald was underbidder on there so i take uh you know i respect what he buys at the sales and um hopefully she can be the philly that might be able to um get us on the board with an
Speaker 2early horse beautiful dean lest i can just hear him saying if it's got anything to do with the quarterback you got to go in it yeah yeah for sure what's been the hardest job jockey agent jockey or trainer oh trainer yeah hey mate it's been a lot of fun and emirati you didn't lose it because the the plunge come off yeah they sold it didn't they that's what happened yeah yeah went to sand down a second start in one and then was purchased yeah i think they paid close to a million dollars for it correct um well done mate you should be proud with what you've been able to achieve i'm sure that you're going to have some of those bigger owners knock on your door if you keep on doing the job that you are doing um i appreciate you coming in from cranburn um and joining us here and if i gave you a hundred dollars what would you do with it this week shiny diamond tomorrow at seymour shiny diamond at seymour we'll do that right now thanks for that gav thank you there's gavin bedgcourt um great to catch up with gav with beyond the barriers don't go anywhere danielle smith racing victoria's workforce development program leader will be joining me next here on giddy up
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on 0 4 9 7 3 6 7 3 6 live across australia this is giddy up with
Speaker 2gareth hall welcome back to giddy up we've got another special guest in the studio um it's been a big show today danielle smith racing victoria's workforce development program leader joins us in the studio to have a chat about the workforce development program leader and we're going to talk about the programs happening with racing victoria and this discussion was ignited really by henry do i when he came into the giddy up studios to talk about the challenges he has trying to find people to um come into his stable and and and and work in a racing stable and danielle joins us to explain about the different programs that rv do have regarding all of this
Speaker 14hello to you danielle hi gareth thanks for having me and thanks very much for joining us you've been
Speaker 2in this role for three and a half years yeah yep
Speaker 14joined racing victoria from a from a teaching background so it's um yeah it's been a nice
Speaker 2change so what's your just describe your role and your job with racing victoria yeah so i'm part of
Speaker 14the workforce team we look after all of the education programs including the apprentice jockey program which is obviously our flagship program yeah um but anything education related whether it's our interaction with schools or pony club equestrian victoria um yeah anything in the education space uh falls under our banner so if you're listening to um giddy up this morning and
Speaker 2i've got a few text messages coming through and i should have asked gavin and maybe a couple of them like there was one text message coming through i'm 21 years of age i love horse racing um and i want to get involved in the industry but i don't know how what would your advice be to them we have
Speaker 14got such a great program called stable start which is a great entry level program for anyone that's keen to get into racing um it's a program that's designed for anyone probably the most common question i get is am i too old we get a lot of people that are transitioning out of their own their career job and looking um at retirement but love racing they might be an owner or a punter and and decide they want to you know pick up some casual work in the stables but it's it's designed for anyone who who would like to experience what working the stables like and and it's a really good entry point to get a job in in the industry so how do you get into that program and how long does it go for it's a four-day program we run at different locations across the year so cranburn's our main main spot we also go to geelong ballarat we've got one coming up at flemington so we've got a cranburn program coming up on the 21st of september and a flemington program coming up on the 28th of september um and you just need to get in touch with us our email address is careers at racingvictoria.net.au um just flick us an email and we can get you sorted is four days long enough yeah it's a good question um look ideally we would love love a longer program but the challenges for people to actually take four days off and come and do our program is is tricky you know people are losing income by um you know missing out on whatever work they're currently doing and come and do it so we've got a lot of people who are losing income by um you know coming to do the do the role so um yeah it's it's enough to give a basic entry level beginning point for people to get into the stables um they're certainly not fully furnished by the time they go out into the stables but um we're really proud of of the product we put out and and the stables that pick up our staff from stable start are happy enough with them and do you think
Speaker 2there is um an avenue that you could go down to expand that program so they are ready to go and like four days is obviously a great start for them but um when they go into a training stable they are
Speaker 14right to go yeah it's really hard it's it's a conversation that keeps going on about the racing schools and whatnot but um i think there's no perfect model we've got to keep exploring
Speaker 2different options um what do you think the perfect model would be i don't with your experience i
Speaker 14don't think there is a perfect model i think the challenges that we have in victoria you know when henry's conversation about you know that the british racing school and things like that they're in one spot victoria geographically is so spread out and you know if you think about where where do you have a school um you know the challenges of people again like missing work and giving up their lives to come and be located at a at a regional base um to to do the education piece it's not quite the same um as new market or or the jra program um around the world so yeah i don't think there is one perfect model we've been looking at a model that um has been successful in queensland for year 10 11 and 12 students um so we're in conversations about that launching in victoria um we need what we need is industry support um whether it's our track wet rider program or our stable start program everyone just needs opportunities to progress and and um be given the opportunity to to try i i fully appreciate stables they're a busy place i spend a lot of time in the stables myself so i get that it's a busy place but there's no other industry where you just get a worker that's fully formed fully skilled without any input from the industry so i think it's a really good model i think it's a really good one that employer so you know whether it's someone training to be a doctor or you know an electrician they don't turn up on day one with the skills ready to go and i think we've got to be mindful of that the stables need to embrace people that don't have um you know all the experience and
Speaker 2and try and teach them as well but surely there could be a situation where you do have a base at like there's two big training hubs in this state at the moment cranbourne packerton and
Speaker 14ballarat yeah for sure and we do we lots of our stable start programs are at cranbourne southside are a great place to do that so i think it's a really good model and i think it's a really good supporter of that as is ballarat um we use kieran mars stables at ballarat he opens the doors and lets us in which is great but um yeah i agree that there's there's models and and things for us to work through over the next 12 months to try and find some opportunities to um engage the young
Speaker 2people and and offer people pathways in what what would your advice be to trainers like henry then that want to get staff into like attract new staff to their to their operation yeah i think we we
Speaker 14i think it's the retention piece that we need to work a little bit harder on um why are we not keeping staff in the stables why are we not yeah what is it about our industry that is is letting them choose another option we need to work harder at actually keeping them um in the industry i think and what do you think the main reasons are yeah there's i think it's there's many facets to it you know i hear troy talk about the starting times of track work and things like that maybe that's it i think definitely the culture of stables um probably needs to improve and has done over the last you know 10 15 years we've just rolled out respectful workplace training um for trainers and assistant trainers in the last 12 months but i think we just have to be mindful that the workload of the racing industry these days is astronomical in comparison to what it used to be we're racing every day day night um and the expectations on staff to keep fronting up can sometimes be quite hard
Speaker 2especially for young people and the different generations as well generations yeah um 20 year uh different to what they were 20 years ago with the way that they want to be treated or that um what they think is acceptable i guess correct yeah and i and i think it's challenging
Speaker 14to talk to the trainers about that it is and like i grew up you know i'm pretty thick-skinned i grew up in the stables um working in the industry but yeah it it's it's a hard place to be a young person sometimes um the expectation of that workload i think is is the hardest part that the trainers need to navigate i get pretty disheartened when i see trainers only wanting full-time staff and i think we need to be a little bit more open-minded and flexible with working arrangements for people with danielle smith racing victoria's
Speaker 2workforce development program leader i guess on the other side of that as well training horses is become a big business we just heard from gavin bedschgood and he trains 45 but you got to have you got to be um a marketing manager you need to be great with your relationships obviously it's millions of dollars and some stables is getting turned over heaps heaps of staff um do we help the trainers enough um with them running their business
Speaker 14in a way yeah look that's that's probably outside my scope gareth but um but you can see that with
Speaker 2the people that you like getting younger people into the game yeah for sure um but as i said i
Speaker 14think we just need to provide young people opportunities to have a good experience in the stables um you know when we try and place people in stables after our programs we try and find really supportive environments that we know will mentor them and support them if they go in day one and have a bad experience and they're sort of left to their own devices they won't come back so um we've got to really work with the trainers on providing those good experiences and this is
Speaker 2a couple of good messages coming through on the gareth's horse and hound text line i think the other big challenge that stables have is from this listener um i would love to step away from cabinet making and work in a stable but i couldn't work for anything less than say thirteen hundred dollars a week or i won't survive i'm guessing you wouldn't get that out uh get that
Speaker 14working in a stable starting out yeah true um we we it is something that is always a challenge for our staff now in the industry is is the income but um i wouldn't i wouldn't say that you can't make good money in our industry certainly once you work your way up in the stables people can earn a
Speaker 2really good living so there's a stable start program um what other avenues like cooper said how do i get into administration when it comes to racing and there's so many different professions that you can go down to have a career in in horse racing whether it be a ferry a horse dentist track work rider there's so many different avenues yeah and we with our schools programs we
Speaker 14actually moved away from doing careers days you know standing at a stall and saying oh we're here come and work in our industry just wasn't capturing the the minds of young people so we offer um school tours to showcase those roles the racing administration roles as well as the hands-on roles um but i think people looking to get into racing administration i think the key is get your hands dirty and get into the stable so you really understand it from from grassroots it's i think when you're coming coming into an admin role um it's important to understand the industry because
Speaker 2it is unique yeah and we've had stories on this show from just punters that have gone into racing stables that are are now um managers of big stables i mean it's it's a it's a it's a it's a and there's jockey managers um so there's like people work in the media so there's different avenues that you can go down yeah um what would your as you said there's there's so many um and most of the big stables like if you wanted a job in racing how would you would you just go and approach the stable yourself or what would your advice be there yeah some people will just reach
Speaker 14out and contact the stables directly and other people get in touch with us so we um will help them find placement work in the industry for sure so um yeah either way yeah and what's the
Speaker 2biggest challenge you reckon for the industry at the moment in your field um yeah opportunities i
Speaker 14i get a little disheartened about that conversation about you know um we haven't got enough staff and and what are we doing about it like i i feel like we're working quite hard at trying to establish pathways and reach new audiences um and engage new young people so um it is a constant challenge not just for victoria it's all around australia and in fact the world um nathan rose who works part of japan and and they said to him how are you attracting young people where we're really struggling with this so it's not just a challenge for us it's worldwide i'd say and the unsung heroes
Speaker 2of the industry and we're seeing racing.com do some wonderful interviews with the strappers of the group one winners of recent times and um everybody in the game that work with these
Speaker 14horses love the animal yeah and that that's what everyone gets up the early mornings for gareth is is the love of the horses i spend my weekends at johnny mccardle's and um congratulations i love the horses so i was there on saturday um yeah brendan brendan was interviewed when the horse won but um i packed up and went to bendigo on sunday and uh geez that was uh you brought me
Speaker 2back to earth really quickly running second there and johnny had a beer with my gladiola at 6 a.m i think the next morning yeah yeah apparently so what is it like working with johnny mccardle because we see him see him on this show and what a character he is like you cannot help but love the
Speaker 14man really yeah um i've worked for john for a long time now we've got a pretty good relationship obviously with my role at rv and previously when i was working at school um he was great he's great at um you know letting me sort of fit things in i get a bit of cabin fever if i'm in the office all week and haven't padded a horse so getting out to the stable on the weekend is good there's a few
Speaker 2messages coming through and i think the industry might have to be vulnerable in a way as well and about the culture and sometimes that we can help ourselves the racing industry in a way um make them a better workplace is that i don't think you were trying to get that message across earlier on and there's a few text messages coming through just explaining that in a little bit more
Speaker 14detail yeah i think um some trainers are really trying to grow and evolve you know troy's a great example he's trying to do things to encourage young people into his stable and and promote opportunities but yeah i think as a as an industry we need to be mindful of of what the younger people are looking for um coming through and yeah the the relentless hours of of racing is is tough so we've we've got to treat them differently to what we used to treat our staff 20 30 years ago
Speaker 2can you explain why casual track riders are not covered for any accidents but rv still registers them without cover oh that's incorrect yeah i'll have to chase that up there's a few questions here that you probably need to look at before i um ask you now um how do we get involved like as i said so you to get involved with the stable start program when does it start basically
Speaker 14and how do i go about it yeah we have programs running all year round um so just get in touch and we'll send you the link in the description below and we'll see you in the next episode send you through the upcoming dates and then you can pick what venue and dates suit you really and
Speaker 2then you can get a job do you help and you can get a job and you can help me get a job yeah i'll be a
Speaker 14terrible you should come and do yeah yeah i should actually yeah we'll see how we go we've got john kanga coming to the next flemington one so that'll be that'll be a bit of fun my i think you've just
Speaker 2broken the biggest story of all daniel my my mail is that kang is going to be involved like he might be one of the greatest rappers he probably would try and get his license i'm hearing he has already
Speaker 14oh there you go yeah so off to stable start he comes there you go daniel smith breaking the big
Speaker 2story that kang is going to be a horse trainer unbelievable um thanks for your time um and explaining a few different options there's not only the stable start you've got track work rider programs um a rider development squad and apprentice jockey training that is all available on the website and um and you guys can take those phone calls and and explain to people who want to get into the game the best way to do that yeah for sure and i'll see you in the next
Speaker 14week for sure we'd love to hear from anyone that's um looking to get into the industry
Speaker 2thank you daniel thanks very much here we go daniel smith racing victoria's workforce development program leader time for a break on the other side of it we'll find you some
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Speaker 15actually um yeah i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well yeah whilst we have obviously moved the rail from the true out to the eight meter position you would have seen throughout the car that horses did obviously edge off through the fence with that rain affected truck um the morning of and yeah couldn't be happier again with how this truck presents the team just um continues to do a fantastic job in in patching and going again and unfortunately that we got the rain that we did early hours of this morning at 2.8 mil sort of fell sort of between i reckon 3 and 4 a.m and you know when we walked in um you know we were able to get the rain out of the um yeah we're on a soft seven surface so we did upgrade the track yesterday afternoon from a seven to a six um with the proviso that yeah sort of we we didn't have any of that rainfall this morning there's probably a very good chance we would have commenced um today's race card on a soft five so um a bit disappointing but yeah as i've sort of said previously it doesn't take much um with these cooler conditions for the for the track to sort of top back up again and go back at a rating or two so we can do that so yeah i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well i'm commenced on a soft seven stewart's are happy with that rating and we'll just see how the rest
Speaker 2of the day plays out where do you think they'll get to with the rile out eight
Speaker 15meters uh look 10 10 um races obviously today with as you just alluded to those two um yeah races nine and ten which were abandoned yeah great to see uh group three racing here on a wednesday a little bit different but um yeah it's very inviting to obviously hopefully get a few participants here um but look i think just naturally with yeah 10 races and still somewhat um good size fields i think they'll naturally just progress off the rail given that we are on a soft rated track and with that rainfall this morning there's definitely nothing wrong with the rail um yeah as everyone can obviously see this track has had quite an extensive winter period and a lot of racing and there's some minimal marking across the track that's nice and even i don't think any of that marking is going to impact today's going but yeah i just think with 10 races um yeah horses will naturally just edge off the fence um and all the metrics that we do uh pre-race day suggests that it's very it's very even so yeah looking forward to how it all pans out and what about wind conditions yeah good question um yeah for for a change in a while actually sort of experiencing a southerly so the headwinds in the home straight and obviously tailwind down the side and um yeah no doubt probably a little bit of cover is going to be advantageous coming over the hill and into the straight and then you might just see horses just peel out and obviously then try and make their run but i'm at the moment sort of getting gusts of around 20 25 kilometers and i'm not sure if it's going to be that big of a deal but yeah i think it's going to be a little bit of a deal um i think it's going to be a little bit of a deal and i think it's going to be a little bit of a deal um tailing off a little bit and they are thinking that later this afternoon that it is going to minimize um a little bit further than those suggested predictions so um look i don't think it's going to have too much impact but as i said maybe a little bit of cover uh might um be
Speaker 2advantageous good on you and we appreciate all of those updates that you provided us over the last week especially there with this hillside meeting being pretty annoying i think it's going to be a hillside track being pretty busy of recent times so um good luck today and thanks for joining us mate you're welcome happy to help see you soon benny caluzzi from bet365 is with us g'day benny gee how are you mate we're in for a great day's race how good is it to have some uh some feature racing on a wednesday fields are dropping um for a big day on saturday at flemington and at rose hill and then we've got a terrific card at sandown this afternoon and miles fitzler joins us now
Speaker 16magic man uh hello gee hello benny uh hope you boys are
Speaker 2well in for a good day at sandown all right then let's have a look at this first race there's a couple of scratchings here in the first race at sandown the one and three come out the best pushes that i've got throughout the week i'm foxenberg's the favorite but simply steffy i think that was a good push from clint mcdonald yesterday about her chances benny absolutely
Speaker 17well we're looking for a bit of shopping there hasn't been a heap of movement in this market our favorite is foxenberg four dollars from simply steffy 420 uh firman is six dollars 50 jack ivy 750 the one that they've backed is no limitation open 15s is now 7.50 as well milo i've seen this race
Speaker 16with in two uh i've only got the 10 and the seven of the two numbers it's not one i want to be diving into got a bit of respect for the four as well so i'll be um probably ten seven and four but
Speaker 2uh not a race i'm jumping into the bet all right then so um uh walter spirit a good each way price there at um ten dollars for milo so with the ten and the seven we move on to race number two on the program and you can scratch the four five and ten so four five and ten come out
Speaker 17i bet three six five market penny regal ambition our two dollar thirty favorite has been well backed with the race form from full confidence three dollars fifty this is a debutant as is uh ace strike four dollars eighty and stipulation five dollars they look the four chances couple of
Speaker 2um big wraps on a few of these horses here today milo in the the second race
Speaker 16yeah mentioned in the midweek master class yesterday this is where i wanted to have a double bet so i'm going to back full confidence with confidence and then just save regal ambition i've got it as a race in two um so i think regal ambition it look it's been a long time since it's had a run but full confidence on debut harry drawn low i am six uh and then the big saver to come through for regal ambition so i want to play here how to crack full confidence saving regal ambition
Speaker 2so six and eight there for miles in the second the third race scratch two three and six two three and six market here we bet three six
Speaker 17five benny she's a con three dollars forty and favorite from not to look gone for three straight is four dollars on the second line black peppermint is six dollars and then chihuly is six dollars fifty but yet again not a race with a heap of movement milo yeah not a race i want to
Speaker 16participate in i've written no clue uh the five eight one are all chances here um wouldn't even rule out jackie ann probably running a drum either so five eight one and four but absolutely no idea
Speaker 2in race number three and we move on to the fourth race over the 1800 meters benchmark 74 and mukdalif comes out the three six seven and nine the other scratchings here and he pushes with the market here benny calusi yeah the favorites very
Speaker 17popular here gold chariots into two dollars obviously mukdalif was a key scratching this morning emperor zoo two dollars fifty from federer five dollars and they are the only
Speaker 16three market chances molly i'm actually going to put federer on top here i've liked what this horse has done they need some brown in the saddle here so federer on top i thought ma's got a pretty strong hand here i think emperor zoo's the horse are running behind it so i'm going to be with the four to beat ten emperor zoo happy to take on gold chariot at the short quote here
Speaker 2why milo i thought he was very good the other day why are you taking on this favorite
Speaker 16now just a little bit concerned um especially with uh where this horse gets to in the map a funny day here at san diego today and a little bit of wind well i'm down here on the peninsula um at the moment and it's blowing its absolute head off it was blowing at home and we knew that that rain was going to come but at that short quote i mean that's too short for a horse of gold chariot's nature i know he might be half handy that gelding but i'm happy to take on at that price so i'm pretty keen federer around five dollars i'm looking forward to race five over the thousand
Speaker 2benchmark 64 scratch the five and eight but there's some horses that have their trainers excited here a few of them anyway like i know clement mcdonald's got a big opinion of tales of time jacaranda the cool more philly there for lindsay park um some bliss was impressive on the boo and hydro rush for art the pace made quite the impression of bendigo on the boo too benny
Speaker 17absolutely it's a good race and uh the punters are very keen on tales of time the one and the favorite into two dollars ten on return jumped out well jacaranda has been a huge drifter today it's been as short as four dollars twenty out to five fifty sun bliss is eight dollars and hydro rush
Speaker 2is nine dollars well i know clint mcdonald might have walked under a ladder of recent times but he is bullish and he did say we should be punting with tales of time here milo
Speaker 16yeah and i've had a bet too um following in from the midweek master class uh so we're backing tales of time the one one of the better ones i think jacaranda and fontalicious are the other two that can chime in um what i have a good look at a couple of those mar runners the six and seven in mystical realm and london field see what they can do but now i'm pretty keen tales of time here so the one on top if you want to save save jacaranda or fontalicious so fontalicious
Speaker 2is a four and uh jacaranda is the two so but keen on one tales of time for milo in race number five we're going to take a break we're going to come back and have a look at the second half of the card at sand out on chautauqua day straight after this
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on 049-736-736 live across australia this is giddy up with gareth hall
Speaker 2welcome back to giddy up gareth hall benny kaluzi miles fitzner with you as we preview the sand down meeting 10 races the highlight there is the shataka shatakwa we'll get to that race in just a moment that that race was of course transferred um or postponed to today after the storm hit sand down last saturday we're up to race number six here you can scratch the two eight and eleven what's the market doing we bet 365 for this a thousand meter race and a benchmark 70 here benny
Speaker 17an interesting market headbanger is uh slightly easy today still our favorite but has been two dollars ninety out to three dollars forty looks a talented mare from divine dot this is the money horse four dollars twenty into three sixty arabella star is seven dollars fifty and gene is a star
Speaker 2is eight dollars jamie i think gave us a push there for divine dot the other day there milo
Speaker 16uh really tough race i think gene is a star is probably a horse that uh represents pretty good value and uh john mcneil mitchie friedman's absolutely flying at the moment so gene is a star he will divine dot certainly in front of headbanger for me at the moment uh so i'm probably leading the way of uh the ten to beat the six then we'll include the three headbanger uh and in the seven
Speaker 2egerton but not a race i really want to participate too hard in so 10 6 3 there in uh race number six there for milo race seven is the shatakwa stakes and you can scratch here so they haven't come to the races with desert lightning abounding it's still not dry enough for her recon's been safe for saturday and rural insignia too wet for him as well benny kaluzi yeah plenty of scratchings uh so
Speaker 17persian spirit is left as our 2.80 favorite a lot of money came for warner yesterday he was around 3.80 into 320. tennessee bound's been the drifter out to 3.80 and a bit of specking for amenable at nine dollars but mostly we're persian spirit and warning it was interesting chatting to simon wilde
Speaker 2yesterday saying that he doesn't think it'll hurt persian spirit going to the races saturday from 3.80 and a bit of specking and then back home and then back to the races he gave him a gallop there monday because if he knew that he was racing on wednesday they would have given
Speaker 17he would have had a gallop on saturday so i will just say i reckon this race will have huge Huge Rupert Clark implications. Yes. Whoever wins this race, I think, will start single figures. Okay. Milo, who wins?
Speaker 16One of the best bets of the day here. I'm with Warnie. Some of that money yesterday was mine. Benny was more than happy to have a crack that was on offer, especially with the weights. You look at the replay of that race with Persian Spirit. I know he carries 54.5 here, but Warnie's got the 58 kilos as well. Zara on this time, drawn six. He's got a few options, technically, what he can do. I know he hit a shock, and a few of these are probably going to try to lead them out, even Tennessee bound. But watch for Warnie Lake, one of the best bets of the day. So, Warnie, you know, to beat Persian Spirit, Tennessee bound, and I don't know, maybe had a horse in like a menable, but Warnie almost won out here. Keane.
Speaker 2He hit a shock. It'll be interesting to see how he goes first up, a menable first up for Graham Beak. So, yeah, that is the Chautauqua Stakes race seven. Race eight is the other race that was postponed from Saturday. And changing colors, what price are we getting for the in, four?
Speaker 17Well, we're getting $1.95. You can get a bit of $2.10 with the bet boost, but she's narrowly into the red now. She's just got to shoulder a bit more weight. From Stay Silent, Flying, $6.50. Somewhere just about run of the race last time, $7.00. And Castle on High, nines. You're taking on this favorite, Milo.
Speaker 16Certainly am. And if you look at the Castle on High run, the Stay Silent run, look what happens with the weights in this race and the prices. I can't not be with Castle on High. I'm super keen here each way to Cliffie Brown and Michael D. This is awesome. The horse that went amiss, I remember sort of leading into last spring. It did a tendon, I think, there at Hamilton. It's been off the scene for a while, but it'll get past Stay Silent. $9.00, more than happy to have a crack hit. Stay Silent will be in the race, as will probably Far Flung as well. And Tough to Moose is also another one there. But changing colors, I'm going to nearly make that, as much as I love Blake and Lucy, nearly the lay of the day. Happy to take it on.
Speaker 2All right, then. So you're keen on the bottom horse, Castle on High, the 19 there. All right, then. We move on to race number nine, and this is the benchmark 70 over the 1,400. A few scratchings here. Take the 4, 5, 7, and 9 out here, Benny Caluzzi.
Speaker 17Pretty open race, this one. Savitri, $3.20 from Castellito, 380. Good support for High Vale. It's now into $5.00 and one of the bigger firmers in this race. And, Jenny, you think $6.50.
Speaker 16I was super keen with Mystery and Drama as well, now that it's out. So probably leading towards Savitri, Johnny Allen, and Mitch Freeman here first up. I think High Vale's probably the clear danger at $4.80. So I'm just going to be 2 to beat 8. Outside of that, you can take your absolute pick, maybe even the 12. Jenny, you think, can even run close there, but just 2 to beat 12 here.
Speaker 2And the benchmark 78, scratch the 7, 9, 13, 15, 16, and also the 19, one of the emergencies come out here. And it's still a pretty big field over the 1,400 metres here, Ben.
Speaker 17Yeah, it's pretty much one-way traffic here, but Clouche. Here's your $1.70 favourite from Carhoff, $7.50. Lovely cut. He's going so well, this prep. $8.00. And Fear No Evil is $12.00.
Speaker 16Pretty straightforward here. But Clouche, you can take it one out in the quad. It won't be going under today. Lovely cut. We'll just run a beautiful race again for Damian Lane and Rhys Goodwin. You can almost take the exacto there for Clouche to beat the 2 to beat the 10. Lovely cut. They'll finish 1-2.
Speaker 2Milo, your best bets at Sandown?
Speaker 16Pretty straightforward for me. I'm going to have a bet on full. Confidence, so race 2, number 6. And then have a saver. Race 5, number 1, Tales of Time. The best bet of the day, race 7, number 3, Warnie. And the best each way of the day is race 8, number 19, Castle on High. I'm sorry I've had to be a little bit quick with you boys, but I've held up a stack of people here at St Andrews down on the Peninsula. Gareth, and I'm 20 points through 10 holes here. Well done, Milo.
Speaker 17Hey, mate, I do that and I don't even go on the radio.
Speaker 16Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 17What about a quaddie? Or is that too much to ask?
Speaker 16No, no, no. Wait. Look, mate, I don't even have a computer. I'm ducking out, hiding in the wind. I've got the Moor Greens boys and a couple of Port Adelaide footballers waiting on me here, so I've got to go.
Speaker 2All right, good on you, Milo. Thanks for that. There's Milo's fits there. It's 10 minutes. Do you have a winner for us at Sandown today, Benny?
Speaker 17Just the obvious ones, probably Persian Spirit for me. And then obviously, you know, Beclutian and Changing Colours are probably taking a multi.
Speaker 2But a lot of love. This is your first time you've been back on Giddy Up since the Racing Preview team landed their multi?
Speaker 17Yes. Yes. Yes, it was good. Pretty baby. The market wanted to take her on, G. She got the job done. Hey, acceptances have just dropped for the Maccabi Diva and Barriers.
Speaker 2All right, then take it away.
Speaker 17Mr. Brightside drawn Barrier 2. We've got another wheel drawn wide in 11. Going down the page, Birdman and Buckaroo have both accepted 3 and 4. I reckon Waller might split them up. The favourite cheese alibi draws in 7. Treasure of the moment, 10. Mr. Brightside, 2. And then obviously, Sir Delius in 9.
Speaker 2That's interesting, isn't it, now? Because they're both drawn well, Buckaroo and Birdman. I think he's going to split them up, but I think he would have made his decision a lot easier if one of them drew the car park, but they're both drawn well. Who rides? Are there jockeys down?
Speaker 17No jockeys yet. Well, Aliana's drawn 13 of 13.
Speaker 2Yeah, she'll start because she's got to get there for the Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup, so she has to run.
Speaker 17Could they do the unthinkable and save her for an Underwood?
Speaker 2You never know with Waller. You never know. You never know. We'll take a break. We'll come back and we'll preview the meeting on the Kensington Track in Sydney next.
Speaker 1Join the conversation. Text us on 0499 736 736. Live across Australia, this is Giddy Up with Gareth Hall.
Speaker 2Time to preview the Kensington meeting in Sydney. Mickey Gannon joins myself and Benny Caluzzi. G'day to you, Mick.
Speaker 18G'day, G. G'day, Benny.
Speaker 2What are you thinking today with the conditions? What are the conditions in Sydney for this seven-race program?
Speaker 18Yeah, it's really tough, Gareth, in the sense of track conditions. So we'll get to a dry surface for sure. It's a 50-kilometre southerly. I haven't gone to Deb for this one, but I can tell you. I believe you. 52-kilometre southerly from about 1 o'clock, Gareth. So that will basically be behind them as they get to the home straight. Look, that'll definitely play its part in the day, and it will be. I'd imagine it'll be very difficult to make up grounds. So just be really careful there today.
Speaker 2Yeah, all right, then. First race is a maiden. Scratch the 11 here, which was the emergency, Benny.
Speaker 17Stitzo is our $2.40 favourite from Gentle Giant. $4 draws the inside. Royal Princess, $8.50 on the backup. And then we've got Leon Rubin at $10.
Speaker 2All right, Mickey Gannon.
Speaker 18Yeah, G, I really like Royal Princess' value play here. I think Mitch Stapleford can roll across three-kilo claim and give it another go. Good enormous sight here. A horse that sort of led them up three of its last three starts. So it'll give a big sight. Gentle Giant also from the Waterhouse Bot. You'd expect them not to get the lead too quickly. Can be competitive here, but pretty disappointing, really, on debut down there at Kembla. Had every possible chance. Slow tempo. Maybe just once a little bit further there. 9-1-4, Rulodin for Beery and Carpo. Another horse that lands on speed. And Stitzo in there for O'Shea Charlton. Horses that have been really ridden. And Ford in its career. I suspect it'll be up against it from out the back. But it does bring a strong SP of a miserable failure on the last start.
Speaker 2Interesting race to second. So your numbers there, 9-1-4 and 10 in the first. 1,500 metres. Maiden scratched the 5 and 7. But there's some horses here that have got a spruik on them here, Benny.
Speaker 17There is. Wallathon. He's got the first three favourites. And Wonka's been the best back runner this morning. Four into $3.20. Unhinged $3.40 from True Tone, $5. Beecher's $5.00, also slightly easy today. And Caviar, $6.50.
Speaker 18Yeah, Wonka would have been probably the one I wouldn't have my money on. And the punters have come for it. So there you go. I think Beecher's can improve significantly here, Gareth. Uncle Wayne says so too. Oh, does he?
Speaker 2They're tipping it. They're tipping it, Team Hawks.
Speaker 18All right. Beautiful. Well, hopefully Uncle Wayne's listening because I'd love to see them ride this horse with some serious intent. I think you're going to need to here today. There's a chance they can hold out Caviar. If not, you're just land leaders. Back anyway. It'd be very, very hard to lead. But I think they could. Otherwise, leaders back right there. But Beecher's seems to be a horse with a fair amount of ability. So does True Tone. But I don't think $15.50 is True Tone's goal. Probably wants it a bit longer. Was very good there closing off at Kimball at Grange. Gareth Unhinged gets J-Mac. So plenty of horses here with ability. $8.26 and $4. $8.26 are the horses I've got clearly ahead of Wonka, though.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think Mark Rowland was tipping Caviar and also Unhinged. Chris Nelson said, I might be going outside of my lane here. But he loved the run of True Tone as well. And Wayne's tipping Beecher. So, yeah, it's a race that if we don't find the winner here in Giddyup, we're in trouble because we don't think the favourite Wonka can win, basically. So, yeah.
Speaker 18Yeah, take it on, Wonka. Take it on.
Speaker 2If Charlie beats us, then I'll give up, really. But anyway, we're going to take a break. It's quickly approaching 10.58. And then after 11 o'clock, we'll continue on our preview of Warwick Farm. On this Wednesday morning at Warwick Farm, the Kensington meeting at Randwick, of course. And this is Giddyup. All thanks to Bet365. It's never ordinary when it's brought to you by Bet365. What's gambling really costing you for free and confidential support? Visit gamblinghelponline.org.au.
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Speaker 2Here's Kitty up on a Wednesday morning. It is great to have your company wherever you may be listening to us on SEN Track and RSN. And now our friends in Western Australia join us on their local SEN Turf Dial. Wherever you may be listening on the SEN and RSN apps. If you're listening to us a little later on on the podcast. And of course watching us on Racing.com. At around 11.30, 11.28 to be exact. Our Racing.com friends are heading over to Sandown to kick off the coverage there. With the first race just after 12 o'clock. So we'll hand pass the coverage over there to the team at Sandown at just about 11.28. And then stick with us because we'll go right throughout to, right through to 12 o'clock here. 10 o'clock in Western Australia for Giddy Up as we always do. But Mickey Gannon's with myself and Benny Caluzzi. As we preview the Kensington meeting. We're up to race number three. And we've got a short price favourite here, Benny.
Speaker 17Shortest price favourite of the day, in fact. In a low key, $1.55 on return. Threads, the $6 just got taken into $5.50. It's the resistance. Rocks or Diamonds, $9 a drifter. And I Am Justice, $10.
Speaker 2Mickey Gannon?
Speaker 187, 3, 8 and 9 here, Gareth. Completely agree with the money for low key. Really good there on debut. Put up a good figure. Trials have been good. Timmy Clark, waterhouse spot. Lands on speed. And I imagine probably leads them out on a day that it would be advantageous to do so. Clearly hardest to beat. And Threads is the nearest danger. Nashville will abort. I love that jockey switch. And I think it can be competitive here. G, 7, 3, 8 and 9.
Speaker 24 and 5 are scratched and raised. 4 over the 1,800 metres. Surely, surely, surely, J-Mac, you get Columbus home today.
Speaker 17What price? We're getting $2.50 for Columbus. Hasn't been the punnest pal of the last couple, but might be able to break through here. Supreme Sovereign, this has been the huge firmer. Opened $13 with us. It's now $4.80 with some minor deductions. $5.50 for Marzies. And also Piero Ladd there at $5.50 as well. $5.50 for Marzies.
Speaker 18Piero Ladd on top. Good to us. Last few starts. We're going to stick strong for a couple of reasons. Firstly, draws Barry 1 and can lead. So that's a big tick, I think, today. Columbus has to come across. Not sure, but they'll be able to actually cross Piero Ladd. And it's advantage that horse here, Gareth. 3, 5, 2 and 10. And happy to take on Columbus with Piero Ladd.
Speaker 2Interesting. The former Grand Alana Williams, Mayor Funshell. First up, the playing guard daughter. A hella well start. He's first up for Price and Kent Jr. today. In fact, it finished last there at Sandown recently on a heavy track, but goes to Sydney this afternoon. We're up to race number five now. This is over the $1,500. Scratch the five here. What's the market doing, Benny?
Speaker 17Odds on now for Deep Pleasure. $2 into $1.80. She was the horse that was much too good, obviously, for Columbus last time around. We're then Piero Ladd as gem. $5 from Koolabar. $5.50. And Aura. $8.50 out to $10.
Speaker 18Yeah, dead set. Jumped out of the ground last time. Bleakers went on, so that was significant. And you'd imagine Deep Pleasure probably too good for them again. 2, 3, 6 and 9. Speed map tells us that the three Koolabar, the danger, he's going to be at the back, so it's going to be really tough to win there, I'd imagine, there today. But they might overdo it and give it its chance. But 2, 3, 6 and 9. More than happy to be with Deep Pleasure, albeit it's getting very short now, Gareth. I think you might want to wait for a drift. If you're going to back this horse.
Speaker 17Gano, a big firm this morning as well for King of Dragons. 18s into 12s. Interesting.
Speaker 18Yeah, it draws wide. Rachel King aboard. Matty Dale. So you'd imagine they're going to be positive. The money suggests they'll be positive. Benny, mixes, form, figures. Goulburn, Class 1, recent peak. Doesn't scream. Back me.
Speaker 2All right. Four and seven are scratched from race four. I apologise. A few people letting me know. I misread that. Race six. Scratchings here take out the five, nine and ten. We've got another pretty short price favourite, haven't we, Benny?
Speaker 17Yeah, one of the bigger goes of the week in Regal Problem has been $3 into $2.20 here from Cafe Olay. $3.80. Sphere, $7.50 for Team Godolphin and Waller. And live is $8.
Speaker 18Seven, four, 11 and six. We can probably upgrade the 11 a little bit higher up now, given it's probably going to be out there leading on its own. And that's Sphere. So why don't we go? Seven, 11, four and six. Regal Problem is the best bet of the day. So obviously we would have liked a better price for those punters tuning in this morning. But the winner of this galloper up there at Gosford was really impressive. She was really, really good. She beat a horse by the name of Wanda's Spark that has a big spruik on it. Glastonbury Girl doesn't go too bad as well. And I think that she's a progressive enough galloper that can get the job done here. She will probably have to overcome the pattern of the day, settling midfield. I'd imagine with not a whole lot of speed engaged. And that gives Sphere every possible chance. Seven, 11, four and six.
Speaker 2And the last race, Benchmark 72, scratched the two, six, eight, nine and 11 here, Benny.
Speaker 17Komodo Dragon is our $2.70 favourite after those scratchings. Rivendell, $3.20. The big firmer has been Tough Guy, who went up $15. It's now $6.50. Of course, we have had 20 cents of deductions. And Siragusa, $6.50 as well.
Speaker 18Yeah, no real speed here. So just looking for a jockey to sort of, you know, show some intent. Who would that be? And then you've got National Wheeler on Unstoppable. Not a horse that can really go forward. You've got J-Mac on Rivendell. So probably there's an opportunity there that James might do that. I'll see Anna Greber on Tough Guy. Komodo Dragon, drawn wide. Zach Lloyd, he might be positive as well. That's the way I am going to lead. Seven, five, three and four. But serious question marks about speed maps and all the chances of all these gallopers here, Gareth. I'm not sure how genuine any of them really are. I've fallen on the seven from the five, three and four.
Speaker 2Best bets, please, Mickey Gannon.
Speaker 18We'll kick off value-wise in the first. I think race one number nine, Royal Princess, is really good value. And I think if they come across, can give an enormous sight there for the three kilo claim. Albeit one of the lowest races of the day. Race three, number seven, Low Key, probably just wins. Price too short. If we can get sort of closer to $1.75 at some stage, that can become a bet for the punters for sure. Race four, number three, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value, Gareth. And the best of the day, race six, number seven.
Speaker 2And the best of the day, race seven, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 18And the best of the day, race eight, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race nine, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 10, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 11, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 12, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 13, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 14, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 15, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 16, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 17, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 18, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 19, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 20, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 21, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 22, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 23, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 24, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 25, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 26, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 2And the best of the day, race 27, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 28, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 29, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 30, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 29, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 30, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 17And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 2And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 1And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 2And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value.
Speaker 19And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. And the best of the day, race 31, Piero Ladd, also plenty of value. Three, the 800 metre dash. Number five, Diamantina Rocks. rose uh she's very good at these short course races she ran third at eagle farm behind bonfire spark last time out over a thousand that's a very strong form line courtney bellamy takes three off so very lightly weighted and a good gate uh now the other one i'll throw in before i get to the last one is race number six horse number seven mercado uh richard lemming trains good money around this morning very good money uh resumes here three starts a winner placing and a last start fifth at eagle farm behind kick up rocky in a stronger race back in may i think this one might be ready to go fresh so race six number seven and the last one race seven number four yari on an each way basis i like the way that he finished off over 800 meters last start let me give you hard to back but you can back him as i said each way race two number four race three
Speaker 2number five race six number seven and race seven number four that should keep us busy good on you chris thanks for that mate thanks gareth wake up with new zealand racing kick your day off with a kiwi what's gambling really costing you for free and confidential support visit gamblinghelponline.org you mark clayton hello to you clado hey good morning gareth all your listeners where are we back away how do we back a winner at um cambridge this afternoon another tough day
Speaker 20on the synthetic uh the toy i like um i'm going to go to race five we've took this horse out before rice smile does go good out in the synthetic um in the distance so i think the 2000 meters i think rice smile gets a great chance to break through today for another one barrier one minimum weight
Speaker 2beautiful four dollars there that'll do us um what else do you like there clayton
Speaker 20you know race two it looks like a two horse race and i know they can trip us up in the past but it looks like it's between perfect dividends he'll get the two kilos off of ashley strawbridge we'll still have to carry 61 he's a former hong kong horse trained by the legend himself bob barnes confectioners trained by well written's trainer stephen marsh took confectioners a long time to win a race it won one then it missed and then it was a pretty good win last start here so it'll be very hard to beat it's going to be seven kilos swinging the weights but he's a big tough horse of perfect dividends so i'm looking to him to carry us through second favorite get a
Speaker 2bit of a price around him about 360. anything else for us there clayton um karen nicholson's got a
Speaker 20nice horse in the last i think i gotcha big solid horse he always puts himself in the race i know lorado will probably start favorite but just seems to always find one to beat up lorado so i think i think i got you if you can get a bit of value around him he'd be a nice way to round out the day
Speaker 2race seven number two there around 270 it's the favorite at the moment so race five number six race two number one and race seven number two for you at cambridge today clayton thanks for that not a problem thank you there's mark clayton there maddie reed thanks to taz racing likes a couple on the synthetic track at devonport this afternoon ozonika race one number two blue rendezvous race two number five and then he's each way plays race seven number nine cool conquest so one two two five seven nine lincoln moore murray bridge likes his best is race four number eleven princess daisy uh dameli race six number seven is his next best and his best value comes up in race eight horse four royal fox scott embry at belmont today he's going to be racing six number seven is his next best and his best value comes up in race eight horse four royal fox scott embery at belmont today he's going to be racing six number seven is his next best and his best value comes up in race eight horse four royal fox scott embery at belmont today he's going to be racing six number seven scott embery at belmont today likes race six number eight cassandra and at race three number seven gunning for gold in the trots at melton race two number one blue mickey is bronte nuremberg selection race three number four indulge race nine number three gilliby top gun and race ten number five elegant lane so two one three four nine three and ten five harness race in new south wales the home of the carnival of cups where australian music royalty meets quality harness racing action amanda rando likes race two number one the queen's gambit and race three number two and dretty time for a break it's 11 16 on the way to the break we're going to play wagering wednesday abby sanderson and abby turnbull helping us back some winners in the trots in victoria this week but an harness
Speaker 21racing club well abs no meeting this week but we're still on track for a very special night here at the club it's our very first trivia night and what a perfect opportunity for a special edition of wager wednesday absolutely we've got some of our wagers here at the club and we're going to have
Speaker 22wager wednesday absolutely we've got some of our shepherding community here uh and some of our fellow participants so excited to jump upstairs and catch their best winning tips for the week
Speaker 21ahead absolutely now wager wednesdays is proudly sponsored by willow wood farms which is something very close to your heart abs are the team here tonight uh shane will be up there representing
Speaker 22probably closely to the barns uh the bar sorry so let's jump in and see our winning tips for the week ahead and remember gamble responsibly we're here with rob orber rob very special night
Speaker 21for the club you're our very first tipster on this special edition wager wednesdays what have you got
Speaker 23for us well it's uh vic bread week isn't it with the finals uh i'm gonna stick to melton on saturday night uh race three number two lake como i've been a big fan of the two-year-old and i think
Speaker 22it'll be hard to beat best of luck thank you we're here with dan malecki dan it's a pleasure to have you here for our trivia night you're generally up top calling so it's great to have you down here
Speaker 24uh what can you tip for the viewers this week all right there's a horse that really took my fancy last friday night it's the first time i'd seen it in the flesh and when you're in my position sometimes horses stand out one way or the other and bumper crop stood out it raced accordingly i i think it's a seriously good horse a really really good horse i'll be shocked if it gets beaten saturday night and in the near future bumper crop thank you very much my pleasure
Speaker 21we're here with liam older now liam you're in red hot form have you got a tip for us this week
Speaker 25uh yeah i think i got one abs we'll go to melton tomorrow night we'll go race 10 number five elegant lane um luke said it should be winning so we'll go with that perfect best of luck thank you we're
Speaker 22here with trev muir trev you've had a good run on wager wednesday so what can you tip uh i'll give
Speaker 26you tomorrow night uh tapco park uh be remiss of me not to chip chill will be top gun i'll either put the mods on him or he'll get the biggies get the job done and he's run six races now uh what are you doing the 6k walk-in uh nothing the deal was nude just waiting for a bit better weather um yeah it's a five-hour walk so it could take a while out good luck thank you
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on oh four double nine seven three six seven three six live across australia this is giddy up with gareth hall tune in to racing wa tv on seven plus your ultimate destination for everything racing in the west on sen track this is the best from the west the voice of wa racing the one and the only darren
Speaker 2mccauley joins me as he always does it on wednesday g'day cobb good morning to you gareth good morning
Speaker 5everyone nice to join you once again nice conditions for racing here today midweek we're getting a run of fine weather coming up over the next few days too darty what about that we had
Speaker 2justin urquhans on there yesterday what a job she's done with this horse this seven-year-old obviously he's had his issues but he's never raced better darren
Speaker 5no well you know justine's a very very accomplished and i would think an underrated trainer gareth if you look back at her body of work since she first took out a trainer's license which is over 20 years ago now but people tend to forget you know she's won three natasha stakes two oaks a derby a thousand guineas a scenic blast a kalgoorlie cup um what else does she want a strickland stakes with horses like you know shingun gracie horse of the year owned the queen horse of the year friar fox who finished up going to melbourne um and then action pack who won that cal cup jazz session so there's a whole list of horses there that i was reflecting back on when we were going to be discussing to darty and he's probably a lesser light that's been no doubt plagued by various issues being a seven-year-old that hasn't done a lot of racing but she's got him right in the zone at the very moment he's always been a great player and he's been a great coach and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and he's been a great coach for the team and acquisition at the Perth Magic Million sales, so he would have just sailed on through there, being a bit of an underling by demerit. And he's gone on and he's won, I think, about $400,000 for them now. So they've had to be patient, but they're being rewarded right at the very moment. So it's fantastic with what he's doing, what he's doing for the owners and what Justine continues to do.
Speaker 2The Coolgardie Cup at Kalgoorlie and Opportunistic capped off a really good weekend for the Saracen White.
Speaker 5Yeah, a bit of a disappointing day, really, in Cal. I sat back and looked at the program and they did get a fair bit of rain on the morning of the Coolgardie Cup. They got about 8 mil. I think they put some re-tick on Friday as well, not expecting to get the amount that they encountered between six and one o'clock there. And it certainly turned the track. It was rated, I think, a soft six, but looking at the first, it looked as though it might have been playing a little bit heavier underfoot than that. And I think what we saw, it created a bit of a fast lane over on the fence where the rail had gone back to. And Pike and Austin Galante both rode it brilliantly. I mean, Pike's right on Opportunistic. He gave it a 10 out of 10. Everything was right. It stayed in that lane on the fence, one off the fence, two off the fence. That was about as far as it went. they got out where they were winning there was i think an exception to the rule in one maybe two races on the eight race program so good win by opportunistic always showed ability there he was a dual stakes winner as a three-year-old and you know he might have some other bigger fish to fry through the cal carnival we've got the boulder cup coming up on sunday week and then of course we dig deeper later on into the hannan's handicap and then of course the kalgoorlie cup golden saddle day so we'll talk a bit about that as well but a good win and a great training effort by michael grantham too given the fact that the horse hadn't run for 70 days going to uh kalgoorlie on the
Speaker 2weekend mate did you like what you saw from joker's grid at the trials in sydney there yesterday
Speaker 5yeah he had a look he's trialed well hasn't he he's tried well for a while um he's becoming a joker's tease uh when will he run we know he's had an issue he had an issue here in wa yeah a couple
Speaker 2of weeks do you think the shorts yeah and then um if you will you go there i think i think they haven't given up on the everest just yet and um whether they want to go the everest they they might be scared of carrying rising there's a sydney stakes but he'll be he'll be competing in the next couple
Speaker 5of weeks a bit of a worry though that he's had six trials now for chris since leaving bernie miller's stable yeah and you know he's got that well he's had that underlying problem there i know that bernie miller had to work on it uh at times over here in wa um and you know he did a great job to get him to win a quokka but um at the moment uh he's promising a lot on the trial track there and he's uh competing against and beating up on some pretty good horses and we know his ability but we've got to see him run and um it'll be good when he does eventually appear and hopefully he can deliver his very best we've said this time and time it's becoming a bit of a crack record really in regards to the joker's grin when we see him well time will only tell but hopefully it's sooner than later for the connections how good is he mecca well you've seen him you know how good he is he's a talent he can be he can be explosive he's a powder keg when all things are right with him he um he can let down as well as any other horse probably in the land when things are set up right he's got a booming fish a bit like what his sire also produced uh in his career before they turned him into a middle distance horse he was one of the biggest finishing horses i had the pleasure of broadcasting machino in his time here up to a mile so this horse possesses the same ability uh more maybe and um when he's on and everything is right he has got a kick like a mule and um that stands him in really good stead
Speaker 2they've just got to get him to race day i don't think it's far away i think he's had some issues and obviously he's obviously had issues they wanted to get him to queensland didn't go to plan um and then he had foot abs abscess and yeah so it is he hasn't he has it hasn't gone his way um so far joker's green but i reckon we'll see him at the races in the next couple of weeks and it will be really interesting to see how the wa star sprinter goes under the guidance of the country's leading trainer in chris waller if you're watching us on racing.com um the race day coverage is about to kick off at 11 30 of course with 10 races today with a few of those races on saturday like the chautauqua stakes postponed until today so they've got a big program there at sandown so the race day coverage about to start at 11 30. stick with us here on giddy up if you're listening to us on the radio because we've got darren mccauley specials coming up on this card at belmont on this afternoon straight after this join the conversation text us
Speaker 1on 0-4-double-9-736-736 live across australia this is giddy up with gareth hall welcome back
Speaker 2to giddy up darren mccauley's my special guest as always on a wednesday this is the best from the west and mako what are you looking forward to most this saturday uh well uh the nicopola stakes
Speaker 5will feature the belmont park program there and we see um snow dome going around again they're placed in the bolton new market idyllically and we're going to see the snowdome going around there placed in the bolton new market idyllically we're going to see the snowdome going around again they're placed in the bolton new market idyllically we're going to see the snowdome going around again they're placed in the bolton new market idyllically we're going to see the snowdome going around again they're placed in the bolton new market idyllic prince runner up in each of those races talking with neville parham earlier this morning still not um without a chance to go to cal for the golden saddle depending on what he does the gray and i think neville's got him back there to his best form his most consistent form he had a bit of a problem there with um his teeth and required it required some dental work to to make him more comfortable with the bit in his mouth and okay some dental work to to make him more comfortable with the bit in his mouth and he said he'd overcome that this preparation and that's evident and if he runs well they have a slot neville and santo waliato and the golden saddle so snow dome could well be on his way to the gold fields if he can pick up this necropolis as well we see the return of a nice near fast flicker on the weekend as well and rissoles who i think also may well be heading to cal for the golden saddle the million dollar race um it's second up pike will ride on saturday so they're they're going to have to wait and see right on saturday so they're the horses of interest to me um notwithstanding high de guai who's racing really well so um there will be a fair bit of golden saddle interest that will be laced into the necropolis on the weekend gareth and and it really is starting to build now uh horses that are starting to be mentioned in in dispatches here um chirino who's the kbrc raffle horse there and and what a great concept that is too if i can tell you that that's a great concept and what a great concept that is too if i can tell you that that's a great concept that is too if i can tell you and what a great concept that is too if i can tell you that that's a great concept that is too if i can tell you and what a great concept that is too if i can tell you that that's a great concept that is too if i can tell you and what a great concept that is too if i can touch upon it um you can buy a ticket for 100 bucks to go into this and and finish up with the horse running in the golden saddle and gee if it happened to win you finish up with 40 percent of the prize earnings about 134 000 bucks so it's not a bad uh entree to have a bit of fun go to kalgoorlie if you're in in torino immortal bliss the new market uh winner bow fine winner with danny morton uh it's certainly being mentioned um the one that trialed okay now with dan is spacewalk it trialed up well gareth okay um yesterday and uh at lark hill had a couple of runs in wa with team williams hasn't fired but uh it might be one to have a look at cessation i think goldfield's toyota might have tapped into this mayor the joey winner and you've got mitch pateman's lord shiva who's flying at the moment so um it's it's probably at career best at the minute um and i think there's a bit of interest from peter moody and the the rebel dam builders syndicate there as well so intrigue building around the golden saddle which comes up there can't wait for the golden saddle maca
Speaker 2what a race it promises to be absolutely when is it on the golden saddle third of october
Speaker 5and you can go to the kbrc.com if you want to buy a ticket that raffle as well talking with craig smith this morning the ceo they're doing a super job um they're they're absolutely uh you know geared up for this one so it was a roaring success last year i reckon we'll get yeah get smithy on he's a good man he's doing a super job in cal and you know with the cal gully cup on the same day they put them all together with the ronnie sayers memorial and gee what a day of racing it is um if they get the rub of the green with the weather it'll be an absolutely outstanding day once again as it proved to be 12 months ago i'm looking
Speaker 2forward to this i wonder how they picked the slot holders as well that would have been interesting
Speaker 5yeah well that's a question that you could probably put to craig i'm not part of that gee um i just sit back as a bystander and you know read what happens so um there's a lot of interest in it i think a few people might have missed out and they were disappointed they're um this year so uh but that's the way it goes and you know there's some big names involved and there'd be some disappointments as well with the field of 12 and everyone wanting to you know get a seat in the golden saddle any winners for us coming up today mecca i think that um a couple of short ones go around in the uh lynwood park livery they're a bit short to be tipping for me i'm going to go with um the info mitchell pateman stable there in race five number one last style bender gareth that drops in class today it's a thousand meters perfect alley h noddle ticks all the boxes for mine rail out as well that'll probably help and then we have to have a pike uh selection somewhere there in the mix don't we and i thought that he might team up there with ash mailey today and race seven because this mere impressive jewel is knocking on the door she's around the three dollar mark at the moment gate one cutaway and play pike on board there again it would give you every reason to be having something on her this afternoon so i'm going to mark the race five number one at 380 last style bender into race seven number six at around three dollars impressive jewel amongst my top picks for the day at belmont park and it should be a nice day for midweek racing here as well have a great
Speaker 2day mecca we appreciate your time as always good as gold plenty to report from w.a gareth right at the moment good on you mate there's darren mccauley there with the best from the west we're going to take a break we'll talk some greyhound racing with the weekly chase team georgie forage is ready to go and jason adams
Speaker 1join the conversation text us on oh four double nine seven three six seven three six live across australia this is giddy up with gareth hall
Speaker 27time for the weekly chase with jason adams and george ferugia it is time for the weekly chase
Speaker 2let's welcome in the team g'day georgie ferugia how you going man g man how are you boy and um Great to have you back, Jase.
Speaker 28Back in business, G. Sorry to ruin the bromance that you blokes have been flying in very good colours over the past few weeks, but good to be back and plenty of news on the agenda as always.
Speaker 2And we start the weekly chase with a heavy heart. Well, I do anyway. Miss Envy, she won't be going around at the Meadows on Saturday night, Jason.
Speaker 28Yeah, she won't be. So she competed in a heat of the Ron Hawks ball at the Meadows on Saturday night. And I think anyone who watched that run thought that by her standards, that was ordinary. But there's excuses. She's had a bit of an issue with the chest muscle, which explained the performance on Saturday night and also means that she won't go around this week. So there's nothing to talk about in terms of the career ending or anything like that. Still progressing towards some of the biggest staying races at the end of 2026. So we'll see her again and hopefully it's pretty soon.
Speaker 2Because the camp did say as soon as she tells them that she's not interested anymore, they will retire her. I wonder what this injury will do to her. Hopefully she can bounce back pretty quickly. Georgie, you would know better than most. What kind of injury is it?
Speaker 29I don't think it's one that's going to keep her out for a long time. No, just like a hemorrhage or something.
Speaker 28No, Steve did mention that Cal Greeno, who's obviously caring for Miss Envy at the moment, was going to have a crack at getting her right for Saturday. But I was going to come up short. So it's not overly serious, but enough to be a setback.
Speaker 29Yeah, two or three weeker, I'd say. She'll be back galloping again. And she's overcome injuries in the past throughout her whole career. So I don't think it'll be an issue here that she, she'll jump back into it for sure. Obviously the field's come out today, Jay. So the market will change dramatically because she's a $2.20 favour at the moment, but Amron Toy's heat win was very, very impressive. He looks very hard to beat now. What price is he now? He's $2.80 now, but he'll be odds on by the time I think this recalibrates. Mapungalara is at $6 at the moment. She'll come into about three bucks, I suppose. She's the one that if she can get a camp, on him would be the danger. But the way Amron Toy is racing at the moment, he'd only have to replicate what he did, Jay, so I think it'd be hard to beat around that $42.70 mark.
Speaker 2$4 with bet $3.65 now, should we back him now with bet $3.65? He's a $1.09, she's a $1.90, Miss Envy, so she'll come out of the market.
Speaker 29You're going to get all those deductions. He gets some heavy deductions, don't you, that sort of quote. Yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2But is Amron Toy will be winning or is there value outside of Amron Toy?
Speaker 29Ah, the way he's going, I reckon it would be really, really hard to beat.
Speaker 28On paper? Yeah, he should be winning the race. I mean, the consistency of which he's found in the past couple of months has been impressive. And when you compare him to some of the others in this race, George, I mean, Mpunga Donna goes all right, Mpunga Lara, you just don't know when she's going to fire. She has had some ripping performances throughout the last six months, but they haven't been week after week, and she's going to need it to be able to knock off the toy on Saturday night.
Speaker 29Remember speaking to trainer Jeff Britton about that, and he's the first to admit that sometimes her consistency is not there, is it, Mpunga Lara? Her PB would win this race. There's no doubt about it. But whether she can replicate that, I'm not sure. She's been a terrific greyhound. She's won Group 1 races, but she's just going to give him too much of a start, I think.
Speaker 2Okay. The Million Dollar Chase qualifiers are in full swing. We're going to have Mick Cowley join us for greyhound racing in New South Wales tomorrow. But it's an interesting, once again, greyhound racing. Like, you've got the Adelaide Cup and the Million Dollar Chase basically at the same time, which makes it difficult to get the spy having a million dollars to the winner up for grabs. They're probably not going to get the best dog in the land there,
Speaker 29if wrongly accused. Yeah, the beauty is that we'll get him in Adelaide and then probably the rest of them are heading to the Million Dollar Chase. And, Jase, you would have seen it tomorrow or on Sunday. The Victorians are already going over the border and dominating. Yep. So we had one race where Storm Hustler beat Heza Pearl and Indy Malmum. They finished one, two, and three. And Dramatical's back after that injury that he sustained behind wrongly accused. Returned to the winner's circle at tomorrow, winning his heat, too. So they'll go into that final, and I think it'll be the top three that then qualify for the semifinal stage.
Speaker 2So how does it all work, then, the Million Dollar Chase? Explain that to us, because you've got to compete at these regional venues in New South Wales. There's heats, metropolitan heats as well, to qualify for the semifinals.
Speaker 29Yeah, so there's regional stuff where there's heats and finals. I think the top three qualify for the semifinal stage of it. So you finish in the top three in the regionals, regional finals. So tomorrow we'll run heats. Yes. And then finals. Yeah, so the finals. So three of those, say Dramatical, whatever, will then qualify for the semifinal stage. But if you don't qualify through the regionals, there's the week before the semifinals, Gareth, where you can still qualify at Wentworth Park. How many semifinals are there? I think there's usually about... As many as they get noms. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 28But it's winners only through. So if you're going to leave it to the last minute, it's everything on the line.
Speaker 29So there'll be eight semifinals, then. And then the three greyhounds that ran one, two, three in the National Sprint Championship automatically qualify for those semifinals as well. So they don't have to go regionally.
Speaker 2Do you reckon they should do that with the Adelaide Cup then?
Speaker 29Maybe the winner.
Speaker 28The crossover's too tight, isn't it?
Speaker 29Yeah, and it used to be that. I'm sure this was the case. It used to be that the Golden Easter Egg winner was automatically into the semifinal, wasn't it, Jase, of the Million Dollar Chase? Oh, I don't know. Because I thought off the chart was already qualified, but I believe he isn't. And I wanted to mention that, Gareth, because on Bet365 pre-post-market, we've got one absolute clear-cut favourite, guys, at Jungle Johnny at $6. Take him on. Take him on. And then Consigliere is at $13. Dewanastar's at $13. Stormhustler, $13. Off the chart, $15, I think is incredible value for a greyhound who is absolutely made for Wentworth Park. And the other one that caught my eye, Jase, there's a couple of greyhounds that are retired in this list too, by the way, but Kenya Excite Me, who of course won the Sandgrope, is at $26. All her caper is, is just getting out and going. And winning. I think that'd be the two that I'm on.
Speaker 2The Million Dollar Chase is the perfect example. Dogs, horses for courses, as they say. Like you get dogs that, you can explain this better than I, but the lure's different, isn't it?
Speaker 28The boxes are different. The boxes are different, sorry.
Speaker 2Yeah. So there's some dogs that just don't go at Wentworth Park and there's some dogs that excel at that venue. It's Moonee Valley. It's the Moonee Valley equivalent. That's what I was looking for. That's a perfect analogy.
Speaker 28And I think the example this year was Distinction. She went there and made an absolute mess of it. That wasn't her go at that point in time. So it can be challenging for some dogs, but for others, off the chart being the example, makes no difference whatsoever.
Speaker 29Jungle Jolly, Jungle Johnny at $6. Way, way too short.
Speaker 2It's only because he sizzled around and broke 29. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 28But the National Sprint's a good example of what he's going to face when he gets into a semifinal, into a final.
Speaker 2And is that why they haven't? They haven't gone to Wentworth Park with Wrongly Accused because the way that he races that he can begin, but he is a dog that usually comes from midfield and weaves his way through.
Speaker 29Well, I think it's credit to Jason because I think Jason probably mentioned this earlier on his career that he said he's just not sure where he's going to lie on first corners over the 5.25. And Jason, his last five starts, he hasn't led in one of them. In fairness to him, he did have a 5.01. He's still winning in one of those races, like if he had ran 5.01 and had drawn boxes one or two, he was going to lead and break 29 seconds. Yeah. He's still winning because of his, he's a freak of a dog, I think. But, um, are you still of the opinion that he'd be, he wouldn't be your first pick in a Phoenix if you had to pick now, or where do you sit with him?
Speaker 28He's getting pretty close to being that. Yeah. I mean, we can, we can doubt the way that he might perform early. He's still won all of these races. He's still the fastest dog in the country. He still went 5.08, right?
Speaker 29Two J's. Yeah.
Speaker 28But in the case of only accused Gareth and the Nolans going towards that Adelaide cup series, I mean, they've got that luxury of cherry picking these races, don't they, George? And the example that comes to my mind is Aston Rupi going back a number of years. It's a fast dog with not a great deal of box speed.
Speaker 2They picked the wrong box. He would have won the Phoenix that year.
Speaker 28Although they're, although they're targeting a series of lesser prize money. It's got to be better suited for the animal.
Speaker 29I think especially the match race series, I think it was just suited him down to the ground. He trolled 30 and 17, which we mentioned, Gareth, the track record's 2984. I believe the track was harrowed before that. So that they would be, I spoke to some people from South Australia who said he's run home time was absolutely elite. So he's exactly where they want him to be. I think Jay's going into that match race series. And when is that? Do you know off the top of your head? I think that's next week. Isn't it? The match race series coming up pretty soon. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2Who's picking the zoom top fields, top gun fields. Sorry.
Speaker 29Who do we know who the panel is? Yeah. Well, I'm on it normally.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 29Well, there we go.
Speaker 2Hope. I like that. Like last time, Georgie was on it.
Speaker 29Are you going to be critical then, Jay? Well, I haven't, I've got nothing to be critical of yet. Do I have to, do I have to correct him again? I have never been on a top gun panel. Oh, there you go.
Speaker 28Well, he left out, wow, she's fast.
Speaker 29Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2He must have been consulting then if he wasn't on the panel. I haven't been, there's nothing to be critical of just yet until we see the field. Georgie was critical of you last year, I reckon. There was one. Oh, there was a couple. Can we pick out the top gun field on this show? As in announce it or have a conversation? Like debate it.
Speaker 29I think you made us pick our own one, which is great. That's absolutely. Yeah, we'll pick our own one. So are you suggesting, like, wrongly accused is going to make the top gun field. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, he'll be there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He'd be the first pick. Jungle Johnny?
Speaker 2I hope they come. Yeah, he'd have to be picked. I think the top gun field has to be, you pick the best eight dogs with the biggest intrigue.
Speaker 29Yeah, well, since the change in sort of format, I suppose, in terms of the way they pick, you'd think Jungle Johnny. 'cause previously, Jase, he, he might be, he mightn't have got a start. I reckon it because he hasn't won a group one.
Speaker 28If the race is in two weeks time, 10 years ago, he doesn't get a run. Yeah. He wrongly accused. No, Jungle Johnny. But in this era, if the race is in two weeks time, he's one of the first two or three.
Speaker 2I would suggest that you'd pick the top gun field thinking, well, people want to bet on this race and will they want to bet on that dog? And I reckon if he drew nicely, they want to bet on Jungle Johnny, wouldn't they?
Speaker 29Yeah. Can you imagine sort of getting. Dramatical. Dramatical back to his best. And I mean, all of a sudden it's a, it's such a precursor to the Phoenix.
Speaker 2Now the Phoenix, they're going to announce the slots on Friday.
Speaker 29Jase, I believe.
Speaker 28Yeah. As far as I believe they'll be announced on Friday. So Corey Smith will go through all that.
Speaker 2Hasn't been in contact with me yet, Smithy. Obviously we haven't got a slot then if he's not going to announce it.
Speaker 28Well, we'll wait and see what's going on. But, um, SENR applicants. Can I say that?
Speaker 29Yeah. And I. So the panel have met and they've decided. Yes.
Speaker 28And who leads that panel?
Speaker 29Um, it used to be Dennis Napthine.
Speaker 28Dennis Napthine in the past, but he's now the chair of, of Greyhounds Australasia and doing some good work there. So I'm not, I'm not sure that the personality in this era, but at least we're expecting those slot holders to be announced this Friday.
Speaker 2So if I got the slot, all right. And I said, Hutch, he gives me the keys. Like it was Southside Racing. He's given me the keys. Our harness horse didn't go great the other day. Um, but we've won the, we've won the, the, the running of the bulls, as you can see out the back. Like our record. And so. And we just got beat when Troy Little picked that dog of, um. Emron Boy. Emron Boy should have won. Well, she's fast. Well, she's fast. One of the greatest ever beats you'll ever see. And now we're back. Hopefully we're back. Um, what am I doing? If I've got the keys, like off the chart, love him. Um, I want to probably try and put my eggs into the wrongly accused basket. He's $5 with bet 365. Um, but I'm, I'm pretty sure if you're wrongly accused, you're putting in your own application. I would imagine.
Speaker 29This is why Friday is going to be pretty intriguing.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 29To be fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2Um, like Jason Thompson's got his own slot, whether he'll give us the best greyhound or nine. And he'd probably be a hard man to negotiate with Jay Thompson. Um, so what do you, maybe can you excite me? Me old Cobb Anthony has a party.
Speaker 29Yeah. Look, there's a few, um, yeah. Dramatical's going to be on the board. Winsome Jet's going to be on the board. Consigliere seems to be.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, you would say that would have a.
Speaker 29Yeah, Consigliere is always going to be the forgotten dog. I mean, he's proven himself, um, at this level. Um, he draws a, a nice hole. He'd go in with a lot of confidence.
Speaker 2What would you do if I, if say we've got the, um, say Georgie, say we've got the slot. Who am I talking to? First of all, wrongly accused. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's got to be. And then I'll pick up the phone to Jason Thompson, Consigliere. Because I'll probably get a better deal. This is me just thinking it loud. I could get a better deal with Jason Thompson with Consigliere. Consigliere than say Dramatical. Okay. Yeah. Do you reckon? It'd be interesting to see where they go.
Speaker 28One off, one off Broadway who is in a similar conversation as quick as M Storm Hustler. All right. He wouldn't be at the front of the queue, Woody George, for slot holders to be knocking on his door.
Speaker 29He might be at the front of the queue on the first corner is what you're probably alluding to. Yeah.
Speaker 28He's so fast. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't have that, um, that sex appeal, I guess you could say at this point in time, but he's absolutely in there. And he can win? In that conversation. Could he win? Yep.
Speaker 2And so you'd probably get a deal. This is how I'd be thinking. You'd probably get a deal. What's the better deal with someone like a dog like that? You probably could get a 30-70 split in a way.
Speaker 29This is, this is going to be intriguing. If it's announced that you get a slot, well.
Speaker 2Honestly, I'll be transparent and vulnerable and, um, I'll discuss it on this show. It's going to make for some great radio.
Speaker 28And to clarify, this is a $1.65 million slot race. A million dollars to the winner. At the Meadows, the Phoenix in December. A million to the winner. That's it.
Speaker 2I think most of the, it's the best slot race in the country. You know why? If you've got a slot. Like Greyhound race. You can do a deal. Like someone want 50-50, but you go, all right. If you get 50-50, that means you're getting 500,000. You, apart from the million dollar chase, the Melbourne Cup winner gets 600. You tell me a better race. Like I say, you have 40-60. Like it can be in the slot holders advantage compared to say the other slot around me, like in horse racing where, um, it's more difficult, I reckon, to do the negotiations because there's so much money in racing and they've got other options. But Greyhound racing, this is an opportunity where. It's why I like it. It's a great slot race to be involved with.
Speaker 29And that's why, uh, the Everest is different because you're locked in for what? Three or five years. Is that right? Yeah.
Speaker 2But you, with the Everest, you get your money back. So you get $700,000. If you own a slot and you've got your own horse, you get that all back.
Speaker 29Yeah.
Speaker 2And so like, I reckon this year with the Everest, what they'll do is that, um, like if you've got a slot, you can't, you can't beat Carling Rising. You just sell your slot to someone who thinks that they can run second or third, maybe.
Speaker 29Yeah.
Speaker 2Um, so I, I think it's like, George, you can help me out here if you want. Jase, can you help me out? Maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 28Why not? Yeah. I'll be running trainers live on air to see if we can get the deal done. I have my opinion and you can take what you want from my opinion. How about that?
Speaker 2What other dogs should I keep an eye on for?
Speaker 29Like Secret Bandit? Yeah. Look, a lot of those from Andy Lord's kennels are a very, very fast Greyhounds. Oh, he might be too difficult to deal with.
Speaker 28Unless you're getting a heavyweight, G, don't jump the gun.
Speaker 2I reckon wait for the last minute. Cause remember everyone was bagging, um. Oh, he might be too difficult to deal with. But I reckon everyone, who were they bagging? Everyone was. Well, Deadly Avenger was last.
Speaker 28The pressure was on Scalacci. And he jumped and left the gate box five. Deadly Avenger was the last one selected. And the last one to be drawn out of the box draw and wins the race. So there's no rhyme or reason to these things.
Speaker 29I, I, yeah, that was an unbelievable for Ladbrokes to get Scalacci and then he form tapered off and then come back to win. Um, did you watch the Emerald Heats at all, Gareth? We can go through some of these at Healesville. Yes, I forgot about that. This series, for those that don't know, there was eight heats and it just, you don't have to. To win your heat. You just have to be one of the eight fastest greyhounds, which again, we say it every year. I think he's a great initiative, Jase. I think it's fantastic. So two of the heat winners in Divot and Electrojet didn't make it through to the main final, uh, that finals this Sunday. Um, I think the big story is mile a minute, Jase, isn't it? The, the old boy, uh, unbelievable, his form hadn't been great more recently. And he was the quickest heat winner.
Speaker 2Do you know what I love about this series? I've never seen you so excited talking about straight racing. It's, um, it's got you excited.
Speaker 28We like novelty. We speak about it all the time. There's something different. So we've got this half field or fast dogs. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's salivating, isn't it? It's a shame. It's in the time slot of which it is, which is nature of the beast and the turnover that Hillsville generates time after time, but it's interesting. We'll have a great final ahead of us on Sunday. And you're right about mile a minute. He's one of the star veterans of, uh, Victorian greyhound racing. Speaking of veterans, Matt Locke's back in work. We can speak about that. And another time, I should say.
Speaker 2He'd have grey hair like Georgie, wouldn't he?
Speaker 28But anyway, mile a minute, Berkey's done a great job. For him to be the fastest of a series like that, that says plenty about, uh, the greyhound and the way he's been prepared up until now.
Speaker 29You know, with smart as you in the series, these types of greyhounds talk about novelty while you're away, Gareth and I had a, a match race, wrongly accused versus jungle Johnny on Melbourne cup night or Phoenix or something like that. We were ready to go. Yeah. We were ready to launch with, I think. Between yourselves or as Mark Gatkin.
Speaker 2No, when can we have, when can we have that match race? We can't have it Phoenix night because we've got erroneously. Wrongly accused. He'll be, he'll be, he'll be the dog that I have.
Speaker 29Yeah. So Melbourne cup night was the last one. I think. It won't happen in a big night.
Speaker 28It won't happen in a big night. It's going to be a hole in the calendar. Could you have it at a race track? Where jurisdictions or connections are willing to serve up some money to make it worthwhile.
Speaker 2Could they have it on a race track? There's our great mate, the one and only Bradley Fanning. Now, can you have it? Where can you, can you have it on a race track? What do you mean? Where else would you have it?
Speaker 29Like could you have Flemington or something? Backstories of Melbourne. Flemington, my God. Can you imagine that? Could they run on grass? Yeah, they could run on grass.
Speaker 28Yeah, that could run on Flemington straight. Yeah.
Speaker 2I reckon that's some food for thought. I reckon. Imagine in front of like the champions.
Speaker 28It's been thought about and I don't think they were too keen, but anyway.
Speaker 2Who, the Gallops? Well, we can, I can talk to a few people. I reckon we could, if they have two superstars like that, that'd be something.
Speaker 28Well, maybe that can decide your Phoenix slot, G, your representative.
Speaker 2Have a race off. Simply Steffi's going to be hard to beat in the first at Sandown, not far away that race. 20 to 380. We bet 365. Any winners for us?
Speaker 29Yeah, a couple at Sandown, uh, Gareth, uh, race two, number two, me, Amigo Diablo. One of these series, Jase, where you go from a provincial track to Sandown that the finals are like that. So me, Amigo Diablo has the advantage of already racing at Sandown and won four of his five races on the track from box two. I think he'll be incredibly hard to beat. Race two, number two, Paula Vesa, been racing against some of the best stayers going around. I think she certainly finds her race, race six, number one. She should lead all the way in that. And there's one, uh, later in the program, uh, Gareth that we're keen on. Its name is Cheeky Chompers. Race nine, number two, Cheeky Chompers, Tony Jones' dog, form can be a bit fluctuating. Four starts ago at Sandown went 506, 29, 38. Any replica of that, I think will be incredibly hard to beat. They're the three.
Speaker 2Jase, you got anything for us?
Speaker 28No, nothing. I'll do the form.
Speaker 2That man I was cheering at the back, Brady Blanks. We'll have to get him into a greyhound. He's a man. That loves these American sport. One of the greatest. Well, he'll be there on Friday. Yep.
Speaker 29Who wins the NFL before you let you go? Uh, the Rams, mate. Yeah. And what about Brisbane Hawthorne in the prelim? Yep. Brisbane.
Speaker 2Yep.
Speaker 29Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2Um, good on you boys. Thanks for that. And that is giddy up on this Wednesday. We'll catch you again tomorrow morning from eight.
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