260: Ghosts, Aliens, Bigfoot, and Enoch

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With the giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, dan, pulls him up like this. Somebody else shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitate him. He's got sparser, sparser, sparser, when he's got about 15 yards away from me, I raise that 4 gauge and I blow this head off. I feel something pulling at my leg and I look over and there are two, small, gray, and the teeth pulling it. And there literally I'm getting pulled off of that. I reached my hand in this bush and I had such air, couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. [Music] Yup! [Music] Welcome to the show everybody, you're listening to the professionals, I am your host Tony Merkel, thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is the professionals at theprofessionalspodcast.com, that's the professionals at theprofessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, theprofessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either we works for me, just get ahold of me. If you want more shows every week on Thursdays, we release a bonus show to members only on the website. So if you're interested in hearing extra shows every week, go ahead to the website, theprofessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member today. 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Two interviews on this week's show, so let's get to it right now. All right, today we got Carl on the show. Carl, how you doing, man? All right, man. How you doing? I'm doing good. Man, it was good talking to you here before we started hitting record and you're in upstate New York. Were you always in upstate New York? No, I'm actually in Native New York. I was born and raised in Brooklyn and Queens. Brooklyn and Queens, man. That's a crowded area. Yeah, I guess it is. Yeah, the city's definitely changed a bit back in the day. It's gotten even more crowded, I suppose. I suppose. Yeah, I just told you before we hit record, I try not to make my way up there too much because I don't like driving in the city and I just don't like the crowds. But your first experiences, I believe when you were a kid, right? And you saw a Victorian era lady. It was a ghost in an apartment in New York City, right? Correct. Actually, I was about 30 at the time. Okay. It was like the late 90s, right? Yeah. Well, I guess I should give you a little backstory, sort of walk us into this. I had been living in California for about five years and I moved back to New York and I needed to find another apartment. So I was sleeping on an air mattress on my mother's floor and I went those days you could still kind of walk and building to building and maybe talk to a super or landlord to find an apartment. And I looked out and I spoke to this landlord and he had a fifth floor apartment and a walk up that was like 600 bucks a month. So you know, 600 bucks a month and Manhattan. And my mind was blouse. So I checked it out and I could tell automatically just going into the building that it was old. Because like, you know, the spare cases kind of had these grooves in them from when people would walk up the stairs for over a hundred years and they were still like gas lamps, fixtures on the walls. That's like the thing. And, you know, I've always believed in the paranormal and ghost and things like that. But to me, I always, you know, I guess it was from watching the movies. I always assume they just happened in, you know, big houses, somewhere in the suburbs or out in the sticks. But actually, I guess I was wrong. Well, I moved into the apartment and it was like a tiny studio and I noticed like within the first year or so, I catch things out of the corner of my eye moving. And when I turned to look, there would be nothing there. So it was already kind of freaky, but you know, I was like, whatever. So time were on. I like I'd go to sleep and I'd notice like the dishes would rattle in the kitchen. But I wasn't sure if that was just vibration from the building or maybe it was mice or whatever. I was right on first Avenue and trucks would be rolling down and you'd feel the whole building shick. So anyway, time were on and then one night went to sleep. I woke up and when I woke up, I saw this figure standing at the foot of my bed looking at me. Now it was like it wasn't a one was a full body operation, but it wasn't like, you know, some people say it's just like looking at another person, but that wasn't what it looked like to me. It looked almost like your classic Hollywood ghost, you know, made out of smoke. But she was standing there and she was like Victorians. She had the full on garbage, you know, the dress went from her neck all the way down to her ankles. I couldn't really make out spatial features or anything like that, but really would slip me out. You know, you wake up and it's, you know, when you're looking at something like that, your brain kind of, you know, like when they say your life flashes before your eyes, when you're about to die type of thing or when you haven't had accident or something. It was kind of like in those first three seconds, you know, I'm looking at this thing and I'm saying, you know, you trying to decide is this real what I'm looking at? Am I asleep? You know, because I could still hear like traffic outside and there's still tons of ambient light coming through the shade. And, you know, my first reaction, you know, it was, it's like fight or flight, you know, and when I finally realized that what I was looking at was real and it wasn't a dream, it wasn't disappearing. I kind of did both the fight and the flight. I basically kicked it from under my blankets, which is dumb and retrospect. I mean, what would that do? You picked a ghost. But at the same time, I like move back and I slam my head against the wall. So now I'm seeing stars. My head is killing me and this thing is still not disappearing. So I know that what I'm seeing is real. In that moment, that's when she kind of she backed up towards the other side of the room and the way she backed up, it looks like have you ever been in a strobe light, been in a nightclub when a strobe lights going and you know how people move when they're in a strobe light. Right. That's kind of what looked like it was like she was blinking on and off materializing and dematerializing in milliseconds. Wow. As she moved back towards the wall and then what she did was really fascinating because across the room from my bed is an old fireplace, which is long since been sealed off. But when she backed up towards the fireplace, she turned and she bent over at the waist as if she was lighting the fire. or stoking it or I don't know, doing something with a tea pot, who the hell knows. But that really kind of flipped me out. It was like she was doing something that she had done before. It was the vibe that I got from her looking at me. It was almost like she could have been looking at her child in the past or she could have been looking at her husband sleeping. And then she goes over to the fireplace. It was like something she had done a million times before. And after she had bent over and did that, she basically just vanished. And I was just sitting there with my head pounding, trying to figure out what I just saw, what just happened. And I basically spent the rest of the night with the lights on. Oh yeah, absolutely. Me too. I was sitting there. I would have done the same thing. That was really after that, nothing else happened. And I moved maybe a few years later. But it's funny when I walk past the building now, I still go into the sitting now. And then I look up at that window, you know, and I'm wondering if the person who's sitting there now has seen her or had the same experience. Where somebody else could have easily had an experience like that as well, either before you or after you. And the fact that she started flickering on and off like that, that was, to me, that sounds like whatever you were seeing was had some kind of maybe energy source in order to show itself to you like that. And it was almost like that energy source was being interrupted. What do you think about the idea of these things that you see sometimes being residual energy versus actual and actual apparition intelligently knowing you're there and and knowing what it's doing in your presence? Right, like the residual haunt is opposed to, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, you know, I don't know, you know, I think just from her actions, it seemed to me like a residual type of thing, but there was definitely, there was minds behind it, you know what I mean? There was, I would describe it. Even though it was a repeated behavior, there was like she knew what she was doing, at least like the kind of lie by God. You have, you feel like it was, you know, residual, but there was some kind of intelligence there as well. Yeah, absolutely. I got you. Yeah, I mean, that's a great thing about, I don't know if you look at it as a great thing or not, but that's the interesting thing about all this stuff is that we really don't know what is what. We all have our theories and you have, you have the ghost hunters that are on TV and they have their thoughts and opinions on things. And I think everybody has pits and pieces of truth, but I really don't think that everybody has the whole truth. Like as much as these professionals, you know, want to portray, I know what I'm doing. You can trust me. It's like, but do you, because you've never died before and you, right? And so like you don't know what's going on on the other side of life. And we're all really just pretty much guessing. And we have certain understandings that, you know, there is some kind of electrical energy that is taking place in some of these investigations, people do and stuff like that. But I just don't know if we all truly understand what's going on around us, but it's very fascinating. And that story that you just shared with us, I find very interesting, just because of her flickering in and out, it reminded me a little bit of a story from, oh shoot, I think it was like episode 17 or 18. I had a guy on and he saw this apparition in his, I think it was his room when he was a kid of a cartoon actually. And I've heard this before, a lot of people, not a lot of people would just say, but some people see like a cartoon that they're familiar with, like Flintstones or the Jetsons or something. And really like a giant Fred Flintstone recipe? Yes. And that's trippy. It's very trippy. And I think he saw Fred Flintstone in his room. And if I remember correctly, it was flickering on and off in front of him real fast. It's something like that. I'd had to go back and listen that episode. It was touching a big foot. I think that is the episode that was on Jason. But very similar kind of environment. And that's the fun thing I think about this stuff is that, we can take pieces of everybody's story and all of a sudden we start comparing notes and it's like, huh, this is very similar to this story. Not the same environment, but very similar. And I think that's one of the best ways we can do what we can do to try to figure out some of this stuff at least. Absolutely. Yeah, that's really interesting that it was flickering on and off. I've never heard that before. I was new to me. I thought, you know, if you see it goes, it would be like almost seeing another person. Right. I just think that there's a lot of different variations to people's experiences. And I think sometimes the experience is determined on the person that is experiencing it. How they view their experiences, what they go into an experience, already thinking they know. And also the environment of the experience to what happens in the moment. You know, there's a lot of different things that go on. And it's just really interesting to hear people's stories. You had an experience at your grandparents house. And this is when you were a kid, right? Yeah. Why don't you go into that because I find it interesting. Okay. Yeah. I was about maybe six years old. And my parents had gone to Europe on vacation. So they left me with my grandparents who had a summer house in upstate New York in a little town full pine plains. And I absolutely, I love my grandparents. I love going up there with like, you know, beautiful lake, you know, really ideal kind of thing. And in one of the houses, they had a little bedroom for me, my parents, you know, company type of thing. And it was right next door to their bedroom. And one night I'm in there asleep. And I can, you know, both my grandparents got loved and they both snored like chainsaws. I was like, it was hard enough trying to get to sleep. But I woke up, you know, and I got nose with I don't know if you want to morning something like that. But when I woke up, again, it's sort of similar to the previous story. I noticed that the door was a jar. It was open maybe about a foot, which it shouldn't have been because when I went to sleep, it was closed. My grandparents, they tucked me in. They'd always close the door. They closed their door. And that was that. So I noticed the door was a jar. And then I noticed there was a figure, a shadowy figure. I could see through the, you know, the crack in the door. It was, I don't know, maybe sideheed tall. It wasn't that much taller than me. And the really, if that's not odd enough, what was odd is it seemed like it, there was something in its hand. And it would look it, it had a cherry like on a cigar, a glow at orange. And it lifted its arm towards its face with this orange thing. And, you know, if I didn't know any better, I think someone was, you know, puffing on a cigar. But there was no smoke. And again, I know I wasn't dreaming because I could hear my grandparents snoring. And so this thing lifted it towards its face. And, you know, of course, six years old, I, I smitten how out. So I did one almost any normal six year old, but do, I pull the covers over my head. And I just, you know, I stayed like that. I didn't look again. And I must have fallen back asleep. But when I got up in the morning, the door was closed. And everything was as it was. That's really interesting. Now, what do you think this was? I mean, before I insert any opinion on it, I mean, you're an adult now looking back at this. What do you think was going on there? Well, you know, it, exactly. It was an adult and in retrospect. You know, I think, I think historically, where the house was built, there was nothing there before. It was their land. It was a forest. So I can't really say that it was haunting because there was nothing there. And later on, I started reading out of, similarly with Whitley Schrieber or Schreiber. I forget how he pronounces that. He wrote the book Communion. It's an alien abduction stuff. And that's what I tend to think it was. I think it was an alien. Yeah, that's what it sounded like to me when you were describing it. I've heard so many different experiences with such things like this in people's rooms at night. And people have very different experiences encountering a paranormal situation that leans towards some kind of extraterrestrial visitor. And what you described, it sounded like to me like that what I was picturing my head and we could be wrong. but what I was picturing my head was, some kind of, you know, small ET creature. And I don't know what was in the hand, but I just, I picture ET smoking a cigar now. I mean, just like, what's up? Right. Well, I would have liked it. He put me in a basket and put me for a ride in the sky with that didn't happen. But, um, yeah, no, I know what you mean, you know, I mean, and I know, you know, just from reading or watching TV, different abduction stories, sometimes there are cases where these things have almost like a wand. And I'm thinking that that's apparently maybe the use that to paralyze people to abduct them. I'm not sure, but, you know, when I started learning about abduction, I kind of said, wow, you know, the glowing wand kind of thing. And, um, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I just, I just hope I wasn't abducted. If I was, I'm glad I don't remember it. That's interesting that you just said that because a lot of times people tend to want to remember. Uh, there's people that don't want to do it. Remember, but there's a lot of times people want to remember what they experience when they start getting memories back. Now, what it sounds like is you probably don't have any memories of an abduction. But if you were to start getting memories coming back, do you think that you would want to pursue those memories and dig more, maybe have regression therapy? Do you think that you kind of hold it off as long as possible? You know, if this stage of my life, I think I would, I would want to know. I would, I would definitely dig deeper, but I just, I don't have any kind of inkling that anything like that ever happened. I just know what I saw, but I don't. And, you know, if they say, you know, once they, if they do abduct you, that it never really stops. At least, yeah, in some cases, you know, I was a little bad would kind of split me out, you know, I mean, I live alone in the sticks now as it is. You know, so, and that's the thing. I mean, it, that's all subjective because how do you know it never stops unless you remember it, you know, uh, exactly. So I mean, there's people out there that maybe remember an abduction, but they don't remember anything after that. And to say that they, they, they continue to have abductions, that's, that's very based off of opinion because we don't know. The only way you know if you were abducted is you remember the experience. And to say that, you know, you were abducting one time, therefore you've been abducted several times. Unless you remember something, you have a real reason to think that it's really subjective. I don't, I personally don't think that people, that everybody that's abducted goes through their entire lives then being abducted all the time. I think that there's definitely reoccurring abductions, but I don't think that's the rule. I think that's, you know, just a situation. And I think that some people might have been, what if you get abducted and the aliens are like, uh, this is a bad one. We put him back. We don't let. He's sour. We don't like it. These smells bad, you know, bad hygiene. You know, how are we supposed to mate and reproduce with this? It's a great, great. I agree. I agree. Yeah, but it's, it's very interesting, man. And I, you know, I'm not here saying that you were abducted. I just, I don't know. You don't know. You don't remember. So there's no reason to say that you were abducted. There's a lot of people that have, you know, UFO experience. I've heard of people having ET experiences where they saw ET, but they adamantly believed that they, they were not abducted. It was just an experience that they saw something crazy. And so that's what I mean. We've said it several times on the show and stuff, but I mean, there's so many variables to people's experiences to come into any one conversation with somebody with a preset, diagnosed set of rules to go into a conversation with somebody would be foolish on my part because there's just so many different variables to people's experiences that, you know, relate to how that experience gets betrayed to the world. So I, I, I feel like I'm kind of going off on tangent here. So let me backtrack a little bit. Oh, no, I, no, I totally agree. And you know, what, once again, in retrospect, during the early 70s, which is when this happened, there was a ton that they've been documented of UFOs, right? In the Hudson Valley. I forget what the, what it was called like the Hudson Valley sightings or something like that. But when I learned that, you know, years later, I kind of said, wow, you know, I mean, because pine plains is in the Hudson Valley where I was staying. So it's kind of getting credence to that. I said, well, you know, this maybe it really was real. I know what I saw. I think that New York, I think that there's a lot of places in this country that are underrated for activity when it comes to UFOs, whatever you're talking about, big foot, things like that. I think New York is one of those states that gets overlooked a lot because people who are not from New York tend, when they hear New York think the city. And that's the out of the conversation. But the reality is, yeah, the majority of the population of the state in New York does come from the New York city. But the state is so huge. And there's so much vast wilderness in that state. There's a lot of crazy, creepy things that happen there that just get overlooked and not talked about a whole lot. 100%. I mean, I live in the middle of the Catskill mountains. I mean, I'm surrounded by, you know, literally hundreds of acres of just forest and mountains. And actually, I know there was actually a staff watch exciting in pine flames that too long ago. Yeah, you know, and that's only two hours outside of Manhattan, two hour drive. Do you know the details on that siding? I know it was on the political, dising lake. And it was a woman who had experienced it. She lived there and she went camping by herself as a young girl in a teenager. And yeah, something I don't remember specifically the details, but she had a definite experience that she was carrying at home with the tent up there and everything. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of different sightings in New York with when it comes to Bigfoot. I mean, I've heard about them really all over the state, especially because I'm in Pennsylvania. I hear a lot of different stories coming from Pennsylvanians that crossed over the border just on the other side of the border kind of thing. Like Buffalo area. How do you say it? Binghamton? Binghamton? Yeah. I know those are cities, but in those general areas, I've heard lots of different sightings. And so when it comes to Bigfoot, I mean, it's one of those things where that state I'm convinced has strong current activity that just doesn't get talked about a whole lot. And to me, it's a shame. Maybe I should try to find more stories out of there. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I've heard the Adirondack mountains, I mean, the huge area is there's got to be something, you know, there's got to be Bigfoot in New York's safe. I can't believe that they're all right. When I first started looking into the Bigfoot phenomena online, when I ventured online like Facebook and I came into the Facebook groups of Bigfoot and with this very naive ideology of everybody's here to learn and we want to work together to figure out what this mystery is. That's just not the case. It's like, you got an education real quick, right? Yeah, it's like, oh, how cute is he? Poor little guy. But one of the first people I came across that I actually had a chance to talk to online about their personal experience was a guy named, I think his last name is Gibson, David Gibson. And he had a property in the Adirondack that they were clearing out and stuff. He was cutting down some trees and one of these things through a log at his head, hit him in the head. He broke his neck and he crawled back to his cabin where his wife was not there. And I think he said he sat on, if I remember correctly, I could be wrong on this, but I think he sat on his porch drinking beer with a broken necktill his wife came to get him. That's hard to or man, that man deserves a medal. I know, I know. And then she took into the hospital things like that, but that happened in the Adirondack and that kind of launched a whole different part of his life, you know, like looking into the fun. And that's what I find very interesting too is that, you know, I look into the topic because I'm interested in it. But people out there have experiences before they're interested. And because they had the experience, it launches them into a whole new part of their life where that's all they do in their spare time is they, it's like they're obsessed with trying to understand what the experience. And I find it interesting because some people, they don't want to go down that road. They're just like, I don't care. I don't care to understand it. Let's just move on. It's something. But there's a lot of people that just become obsessed with it. And it's just, I find it very fascinating. Like, what does it do to your psyche when you experience something like that? I wouldn't know. I've never experienced it. Right. It becomes their white whale, their movie deck. Yeah. That's a great way of explaining it. Yeah. You know, I mean, I can totally see that. I think if I saw a Sasquatch or a dog man or something like that, you know, I guess they have to have the right kind of personality where it's the kind of thing where you just, you have to know. Some people want to forget, but some people there just, they have to know. I don't know. Maybe it happened to me. I don't know. You know, I mean, it's my ghost experience. I mean, it was fascinating, scary, but it didn't particularly make me want to become a paranormal investigator or anything like that. - Oh wow. - And it's interesting because I think people go through phases too. I've seen people come in and out of the Bigfoot thing where they had experience that research it hard for five years and then they just like, I've had enough of this amount. And even for me, I mean, when I first started looking into Bigfoot and I made this conscious decision that I do believe in Bigfoot because of all the people's experiences, I was fascinated by it, there's like this child-like fascination with it that I just couldn't get enough. I was like, wow, this is amazing. And at the whole time, for me, it becomes a reality. It's like, yes, these are real. I've talked to hundreds of people personally that have had these experiences. And so the mystery, the child-like wonder, it has worn off. And I now pursue the topic in a different way because I'm not. When you tell me you've had a Bigfoot setting, I don't get this child like, wow, tell me all about it kind of attitude because I'm not surprised by that. Now it's like, okay, tell me your experience. I'd like to hear about it because your experience might have something to contribute to the overall picture of these things. And I approach it in a very different way now because the fascination, the child-like fascination is no longer as strong as it was when I first started looking into it. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes 100% sense. Yeah, I mean, you more intellectualized it at this point. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's like, like you say, with a child-like wonder, it's more like when you're hard-send to it, you know, or like when you meet somebody and you fall in love for the first time. That kind of giddy feeling. But then after a while, it becomes something you've learned about and you just intellectualize it. Yeah, it's like somebody who grew up loving the ocean. They're going through high school. They're telling everybody, "I'm going to become a marine biologist." They go to college. They get their biology degrees. They become a doctorate. And in that process, the fascination of the ocean and things like that, it went from being this amazing place that they just want to explore to, "I went through college. I am now a professional marine biologist and this is my job now." It's no. Right. and you're interested in it and you enjoy doing what you do and you wouldn't want to do anything else. But it's no longer this child-like wonder that you had as a kid. And now it's like, "This is my job and it's now more intellectual than it was when I was a child." That's kind of sad in the way, though, isn't it? It can be in the sense that you don't get the flutters in your stomach. On the other sense, it's more invigorating to know that you're past that and you're now looking for the overall picture as to, in my case, how does this person's experience relate to the overall picture of these people's, everybody's experiences? Everybody has their own story and that story has little pieces that might be able to relate to what's going on here. I think for me, it's now become a puzzle. Before it was just a mystery, mysterious thing and now it's a puzzle and every person's story is now looking for like commonalities. Right. Exactly. I don't know if this is a bad terminology, but I'll say it anyways. I get off of that. I really enjoy the idea that every time I sit down with somebody, their story is just a piece of a puzzle that I'm personally trying to fit together. So I don't look for this idea of maybe this person will have the answers to Bigfoot and now this person might have a piece of the puzzle that helps me understand this phenomenon more and that gets me excited. Gotcha. Now it's interesting, it's kind of ironic though, the people who do see Sasquatch or the people who aren't looking for them. The more you look for them, the less chances are that you're going to see one. Oh yeah, I know. It's like, I always tell people, if you're going out Bigfooting with me, it's guaranteeing that you're not going to have an experience because I don't ever see anything. But anyways, let's get to your last situation here that you had. This is like, there's what, two balls of light flying around your house or something like that? Yeah, it was crazy. This is where I lived now. It's happened about four or five years ago. It was like this time of year, I was just chilling in my bedroom, reading a book and to get out of my bedroom, it's like these two sliding glass doors, you know, it takes you right out to the backyard. So I'm just sitting there and once again, peripheral vision, I see something that grabs my attention from my peripheral vision and look out the sliding glass doors and see this white ball of light about the size of a golf ball just fly by and then another one right after it. Like, have you ever seen Roman candles for the July, those things that should be colored balls out? Yeah, look exactly like that. So I got out of bed, opened the screen door, and in the glass lighting door and I looked and there was nothing. There was no like impact side, there was nothing. Which is bizarre. I mean, it's bizarre enough because I live on top of a hill. So for those things to, if someone was going to shoot a Roman candle, they'd have to be up in a tree to do it. And they would be an impact site because right behind my cabin is like the base of a mountain essentially. So they would have had to have been an impact site, but there was none. It was just very weird. I don't know what else they had. It was, that was about it. It was just physically impossible. It was the cause that was impossible, but it happened. Yeah, I mean, do you think that this was a natural thing or do you think this was, you know, maybe more long lines of ET? I don't know. I honestly don't know. If it was a natural phenomena, it was like ball lightning or something like that, which was like a clear blue sky day. I don't know. I mean, maybe it could have been technology too. I mean, technology that we've been working on. It's quite possible. And I do get a fair amount of C-130 flying over my place. They seem to go up to a base in the upstate New York right next to the Adirondack, Fort Rump. So they tend to fly over the top of the buildings in my area a lot. Maybe I don't know. That has anything to do with it. But, yeah, I mean, it was weird. Yeah, it sounds weird, man. I mean, I've never seen anything like that. And I think it would be weird if I did see something like that. So, you know, it's one of those things, though, man, like you go through life and you see things. And I mean, those are three incidents that you actually have experienced throughout your life. And, you know, the chances of you having another experience, probably pretty great. I mean, between now and the time you take your last breath, I mean, there's a good chance that you have another experience along the way that is kind of unexplainable, you know? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, why does it happen to certain individuals and not other individuals? You know, it's not about you. That's a great question because there's people who go through their whole lives without ever having an experience whatsoever. Nothing. And they think people are just crazy who have experiences. And then there's probably one experience and they like launches them into having many. Yeah. And they're podcasts of prime example, and I've listened to your show, some people have a what, like three, four, five things happen and they're still young, you know? Yeah, I know. I just wish that I would have had a big-foot experience before I had my son because now now that I have my son, I could live without the big-foot experience because these things, I don't want to die. I used to be like big-foot hunter suicidal, you know? If I didn't go home at the end of the day, but I got to die in the hands of a big-foot, I'm fine with that because chances are my wife would have married somebody again that's better than me and she would have been better off. But now I got the kid and I don't want anybody else raising him, so I'm more protective of my own life. Kind of funny. But don't they, I mean, don't stab squatch it. They don't really hurt people, right? Well, I mean, we got Dave in New York City or New York that we mentioned earlier through a log at his head broke his neck. Oh, that's true. Yeah, it all depends. I mean, these creatures are finicky. People have experienced, you know, very violent behavior from them and some people will have had more peaceful experiences. I have another friend named Dave who saw one of these things, full body. They looked at each other and the thing just kind of backed up into the woods and left. And so I think it all depends on where you're at, what kind of territory of theirs are you in? What kind of mood are they in? Are you standing between them and their child? Are these things dependent on, you know, what's in their DNA? I think that I have my own thoughts and opinions as to what these things are. And I think that maybe the, it's a simple explanation of what traits were passed down to them and their DNA as to what they can do and how they act. around other people, human beings. Just like I use the example of, I have siblings who I have a sister and a brother who are twins and I'm Puerto Rican. I get pretty dark during the summertime, but my brother gets extra, extra crispy. Like he's dark way darker than me, but his twin sister, you wouldn't think she's Puerto Rican at all. Like she's just, she looks like a white person and they're twins. And it's because they got different, their DNA traits have been, are different. They're twins, but the parents got, they passed on different DNA traits. And so I think sometimes that might be, a very similar situation with these creatures. It might be dependent on the DNA that's inside them as to what they can do and how they act around of the people. We had Brian from episode 31, come on, who says that he shot a big foot. And in that episode, he says the red ones are violent. The black ones are fine, but the red ones tended to be more violent. And then we have Amy, who's a friend of mine and she was on Sasquatch Chronicles. She went on there and talked about her experience of seeing this creature and she was so scared, it looked like it wanted to kill her. And I said to her, what color was it? And I had a feeling she was gonna say red and sure, nothing was red. And so it's like interesting things like that that we start putting together. And that's where I said earlier, I really enjoy the topic now because before it was just this child like fascination now, I'm like putting puzzle pieces together to get a picture. - Right, that's interesting. I mean, I hear sometimes they're like depending where in the country they are, they could have different dispositions, right? - Oh, absolutely. - Like their body size is everything. - Wow. - I mean, like if you look at the Pacific Northwest, the cougars up in the Pacific Northwest, the mountain lions, they can get up to like 200 pounds. And they're huge, absolutely huge. And in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania still doesn't want to acknowledge that cougars are actually in Pennsylvania. They won't acknowledge that there are mountain lion yet we have many people who say they've seen them. But these mountain lion don't get to be like 90, 100 pounds, a buck 10. I mean, they're like half the size of the ones on the west coast. I mean, they're like baby. - Yeah, and they're the same animal, just they grow bigger in the Pacific Northwest. - Yeah, yeah, it's different food sources, different everything. - Yep. - So I could say the local genetic thing, I'm just gonna. - Yeah. And what do I know? I'm just a trucker anyway, so. (laughing) - I just-- - I don't. - I just spend time thinking about this stuff. But I'll tell you what, Carl, man, I appreciate you coming on and sharing these experiences. I think it was good conversation. - Yeah, man, definitely. No problem, I enjoyed it. (bells chiming) - This is not a test. 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So I really do appreciate you waking up early to do this. Oh, anytime. So you've had some time to do this. I'm really excited. So you've had some different experiences throughout your life and let's just start off with the shadow man that you were seeing and walk us into, you know, when you first started seeing it and how this all unfolded for you. Yes, you're thinking. So the shadow man was a little bit later when I became a teenager but the first thing that I kind of was seeing was when I was still small enough to be sleeping with a bedside light on. And I remember this one night, my wardrobe doors were open. And like I see these shadowy foxes like running out of my wardrobe, out of my room and out into our kids' rumpers room. And I just remember that terrified me so much. And I remember another night that had happened. I was crying so much that my brother came out and he was like, "Am I a big quiet?" But I mean, that was that. Like I didn't get comforted at all or anything like that. But yes, I was seeing those for maybe only about a year or so. And then like that kind of got my fear and to never sleeping with a wardrobe open, which a lot of people probably have. But the next thing that kind of happened was when we were renting, so we moved, we were living in the Blue Mountains. And we then moved down further down the coast of New South Wales. And we were renting a house and building a house five houses down. So it was all in the same street. So it was nice and close. And I had a friend coming over and she was sleeping on the floor in my room, Son of a-Matchews. And I had a single bed, so I was still pretty small. And there were these black cats everywhere, like everywhere. And they were crawling on her and on my bed. And I got so scared that she ended up having to come and hop into my single bunk bed there. Or single bed. And that was really all that happened in that room and in that rental house. I didn't have anything else strange happened there. And then the scariest thing for me was when we moved into our new house. So I had my room there, nothing happened there. Until I moved into my bigger brother's old room. So here I had moved out. And so in that room, I was in early teens, maybe 14 or 15. And I began to see the shadow man in my room. And he would stand in the corner of my room right next to my door. And he wouldn't do anything other than stand there. So it's not like he came over to the bed or anything, but he was just such a big looming figure. And our ceilings, they were like with standard height of a 2.5 meters, I think. But he was just smaller than the roof. And I can like remember the feeling that I got in my body when he would be there. It's like getting an electric shock, but the shock doesn't stop. Like it's just that constant, almost burning feeling. And like my breathing was so heavy and I felt like even if I wanted to kind of roll away, I'm a side sleeper or a tummy sleeper, even if I wanted to kind of roll away, like I wouldn't be able to move my body. Yeah. Oh, gosh, I don't know. Yeah, and it's like, it sounds silly, but if I thought if I just didn't move, I just stayed there, it wouldn't see me. And all I could do really is just pray and just try and keep myself so still. And then, so I was seeing that for a couple years and then I started to see this white mist above my bed. So that terrified me even more because now I had something like right next to my only way out of my room and something also directly above me while I'm laying in my bed. So in around 2013, I moved up to my grandparents' place in Sydney just during the week so I could attend uni. And I only had two strange things happen there. And the first was when I walked out of my room on the left side of my bedroom door there. There was this woman in what I could only describe as colonial clothes, like a long dress or like an apron on top and a little bonnet with a hair and a low bonnet and her hair was in a bun. But once I turned back around, she was gone and my grandpa built the house so it's not like there was any weird things that happened in the house because it was like my mom's family home. And then the other thing that happened was my grandma and I used to watch these crazy survival shows like I shouldn't be alive. And they would go around to like 1130, 12 o'clock at night. And so we decided to go to bed and we had turned off all the lights. We were walking past the kitchen and up the hallway and the pot on the stove fell off. And I can understand that maybe it was a bit close to the edge. But then the TV also turned on, like turned back on. So it was kind of just a weird kind of coincidence that they both happened at the same time. And then I'd also gone to Europe on a study trip during that same year that I was living in Sydney. And I had a dream one night that my grandpa was there. So my grandpa, he passed away when I was five and he was born with hip dysplasia. And I kind of feel a little bit of a connection with him because I was also born with hip dysplasia. So yeah, so I'd like to think that I kind of have that bond with him. And in my dream, I saw my grandpa and I was so excited because I could see him and talk to him again. I mean, I've very limited memories of when I was five years old of him. So I was just, yeah, so happy in that dream. And I, but I eventually lost him in the dream and I was asking everyone in this courtyard if they had seen him. And I eventually found him, it was kind of like a room, except it was outdoors. And three of the sides were brick deem and the main wall there was open. And the room was totally dark, but he was standing in there. And so I went over to him. And I was like, I'm so happy that you're here. I thought I wouldn't be able to say goodbye. And he just said to me, you don't need to worry anymore. I'm always going to be looking out for you. And then he turned into that mist. And so then I kind of put it together that every time that I was seeing the shadow man, that mist would be above my bed. And it was actually my grandpa, I guess, protecting me against that. So that was really comforting. Yeah. And like, I mean, I haven't had anything in years now thankfully. But I mean, still if I go back down to my room, down at my parents place, I still get like a really kind of uneasy feeling. I don't like to think about it because I do feel like the more effort and thought you put into them, the more kind of power and energy it gives. So as long as I don't think about it, I'm okay. But I mean, even now, like sometimes in my room here, I try not to think about it because I don't want to give any energy or anything like that to it. Yeah. So yeah, that's basically my experience with those kind of entities. And I didn't even know that they were, I guess, real. I thought that I'd actually made it off my head up until there was a podcast. A never said sorry that assortishing legends put out about the shutter people. And I remember I just left that in my downers for a week because I was like, there is no way I'm listening to that. But I mean, I got the courage and I was like, I cannot believe that these things actually exist. Yeah. So up to that point, did you think that you were just imagining things? Yeah. Like, I thought that it was just in my head and I'd, like, I remember telling my mom, she's like, oh, you're probably just seeing things, you know, it's dark at night. But like this thing is like, it's pitch black. Like you can't miss it. It's so huge. And it's so typical of the shutter man. But like, this is what I was seeing in the corner of my room. And yeah, like it was comforting to know that other people had seen it as well, but also absolutely terrifying because it meant that these things actually are real. So in the moment of seeing these shadow figures, were you in a state of fear? I mean, was this something that was absolutely terrifying to you? Yeah, I was, I was petrified. And it would last for an hour, two hours. And I like, my skin just felt so hot and painful and my heartbeat was so fast. And yeah, like I just didn't want to move because I didn't want it to know that I was there. Which it sounds stupid because it's in my room. Like it knows that I'm there. But yeah, I just wanted to be as small as possible, cover myself with blankets and yeah. Yeah, it's understandable. And you know, it lasting an hour or two is, that's a long time. I mean, I think a lot of times people will see these things and it's, you know, a minute, two minutes or less. It doesn't take that long for it to actually be there. And I'm assuming it just stood there. It didn't do anything other than just stand there. Yeah, yeah. So it would just be in the corner. It wouldn't move. It didn't come over to the bed. But I just felt like it was such an oppressive feeling and yeah, like it was just petrifying. I mean, I don't know how else to explain it. No, I totally understand. I'd be scared too, especially it sounds almost like torturous to have to suffer through an hour to two hours of this thing standing there, just watching you. And then at the time, not knowing what the white mist was above you, that had to be scary too. Yeah. So that like, I mean, it was almost, and I had a dog that sent on the floor in my room as well. I just have both of those things in there and she was on the floor and she almost felt so far away and I just couldn't cuddle her, but I couldn't move either. Like, I couldn't turn the light on. I mean, we sort of made everything better, I feel. But to have that dream and realize that actually that was my grandpa above me protecting me. If I had known that at the time, I think I would have dealt with it a lot better. But yeah, I mean, I'm so glad that nothing has happened since because it's, yeah, it's literally unlike me. Oh, I'm sure. Have you talked to people other than your mom about this, though? No, not really. Just because I don't think that people would believe it. I don't know anyone that has seen anything like that. I mean, I have friends that, they feel like they've been, poke to while they've been sleeping. But yeah, I don't know anyone that has actually seen anything in their room or a spirit or a ghost or anything like that. You know, I think sometimes people think that they're alone in these situations so they don't talk about it. But I think a lot of times people, you know, I think there's a lot of times where many people are experiencing different things, but they all stay quiet because they think they're the only one. And in reality, there's a lot of other people around you that probably experienced stuff too. I can understand the reservation with that and stuff. I'm a different kind of guy. I mean, if I see something I talk about and I don't really care. So, you know, I don't really worry about that kind of stuff, but I can understand the hesitations with that. But yeah, I mean, I guess I would feel very comfortable knowing that the white mist was, your grandfather. I mean, it's something that definitely would give comfort. And I do remember, I told my mom that dream when I got home, it was like, that's really special. You should tell your dad and I did. And I think that was like, oh, yeah, but for me, that's always just going to be something that that is just so special. And sometimes when I feel scared or when I was feeling scared, I was, you know, just kind of mentally talking to him like, far like if you're still there. I could really just use some comfort at the moment. See, I mean, between that and praying and lying incredibly still, that was kind of my way to get by. Well, it sounds like you got by, okay. I mean, so other than a few scared and stuff. Now, you had mentioned to me earlier that, you know, you, I guess you grew up in a family that went to church and things like that. And before we get into this, the one topic I wanted to bring up to you, did the idea of, you know, your grandfather protecting you at night, that contradict anything for you with your beliefs or anything, or is something that is just so real to you, it's just like, you know, what your thoughts were beforehand don't really matter because of how real it was for you after that happened. No, so I mean, I was, I didn't affect anything about my belief in God because I believe in angels and spirits and things like that. And I think that God was just, you know, sending my grandpa just, just a little bit of support and comfort. I definitely think that God, because I always used to say, please, just bless his house. And I really do think that he protected me during those well. But I think he was just sending my grandpa down there as well, just as a bit of, a bit of comfort and, yeah. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, I grew up in a, in a household where, you know, we, I was taught one thing and as you get older, you start thinking about things and you formulate your own thoughts and opinions on things. And I definitely think that there's, I don't understand how it works. But I definitely think that there are times where people experience, spirits of, you know, dead people here that were once here on earth. I don't, like I said, I don't understand how it works. You know, I don't think anybody really does, you know, it's just one of those things where everybody has their theories and stuff. But I definitely, I definitely understand where you're coming from. Now you mentioned to me earlier, I think it was initially through an email that, you know, you'd never heard of, uh, Enoch before, I wasn't before my show. Yeah, that's right. So I was like, Enoch, who's Enoch? I've full on, got out my Bible. I was like, I don't recall being an Enoch in the Bible. Couldn't find it anywhere. So I was like, what's, what's the, what's the guy with his Enoch guy? Yeah. I mean, so he's not talked about a whole lot. And I know that, um, you know, it's not necessarily the, the talking point to, to preach on when you go to church and stuff because he, he is in the Bible in the Old Testament. Um, you know, he, I think he was, if I remember correctly, he was Noah's grandfather's father or something like that. He was what, he was really up there though in the lineage. I mean, the guy, uh, he was, who's back when, you know, people lived hundreds of years. So he had great, great genes and, and DNA. But, um, yeah, it basically, he, I believe personally, there, there's three books of Enoch. And I think the very first book, uh, Enoch himself actually wrote the other two. I don't really subscribe to him being the true author of that. Uh, but the very first one I do believe that he wrote and, uh, and you've heard me talk about, I'm sure on the show, but, uh, you know, he wrote about these bizarre things happening in the world and he wrote about it in like current event form. So like he was writing down what he was experiencing. And I find it very fascinating because, uh, when you look at the Genesis six story, uh, particularly verse four, the author of Genesis, uh, Moses, uh, he doesn't go into great detail about this whole idea of the fallen angels and, you know, copulating with, uh, human beings and then, uh, the offspring being these, this gigantic breed of hybrid humans. Uh, Moses doesn't go into great detail. And I think that's because in the time that Moses was writing Genesis, I think that they already had the book of Enoch and everybody knew the story of Enoch. They knew what was going on and how it happened. And so when he's writing the book of Genesis, I don't think he was writing the book of Genesis for an audience 2000 years later. And so I think he left out certain details because it was pointless to write down details to an audience that already knew the history, you know, uh, I don't think like it. I mean, you're not going to break down, you know, things that we know today in detail, just to tell people that I already know the information. It's, it's just kind of pointless. And I think that's why it's not a whole lot in a Bible, but I would tell you that in the New Testament, well, it's actually throughout the Bible, but there's been several cases throughout the Bible and particularly the New Testament where the, where like Paul actually quoted from the book of Enoch. And I think, uh, James did as well. Uh, so it's a very interesting thing because when you look at the book of Enoch and you read through it, you'll, you'll start seeing things like, wait a second, I've heard that before and then you find it in the Bible and it's like, oh snap, these people that are writing the Bible quoted things from this book of Enoch. And so it tells you that they actually gave weight to what was written there. Uh, yeah, I find it very fascinating. Why it's not in the Bible. I don't know. Um, I, if it was up to me, it would be in the Bible, but it's not up to me. So it's not. And, uh, I just kind of got to trust that, you know, people who made the right decisions with why they decided to leave it out, I guess, but I definitely think it's something that can be used for historical purposes and understanding history, uh, and, and, you know, using it as a reference guide. I have a copy of the book of Enoch sitting on my desk at all times. So, uh, it's very interesting though. Yeah. I wanted to get my hands on a copy, I think, because I mean, from what I've heard from the podcast, it's definitely peaked my interest. I mean, my next question was, so why is it not in the Bible? But, I mean, you just answered that one. So, yeah, I might have to go on and get my hands on a copy. Yeah. There's, there's, there's a lot of books that aren't in the Bible. Uh, and there's a lot of books that were once in the Bible and they were taken out of the Bible. And those are issues that people who, you know, who want to struggle with it, they do. They struggle with it because some people are very happy to just say, well, it's not in the Bible. It's not supposed to be there. And then there's other people are like, well, it was in the Bible at one time and we chose to take it out. Why? I think Enoch was actually in the Bible, but there's, there's like several, several books that were taken out. And, um, it's left up to debate as to if that was a good idea or not. Um, but at one time, you know, people thought it thought it well enough to have these certain books in the Bible and now they're not there. And so, uh, but I would say that if you wanted to get your hands on a book, the book of Enoch, I think there's a publishing company called Defender Publishing, D-E-F-E-N-D-E-R, Defender Publishing. And I think that they, they sell, um, lots of different books and stuff. And I think that's where I got my book of Enoch. But yeah, great stuff. Emma, I think that, uh, it's very interesting that you had those experiences with the Shadow Man and then the, the, the fact that you feel that your grandfather was protecting you, and that's kind of been confirmed through this dream where you, you had your grandfather go into this white mist that you actually did see during these experiences. I can imagine how that would be comforting. I think it's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I mean, it, I went from being, you know, terrified to being like, it's okay because he can't touch me. He can't touch me here, you know. I mean, my grandfather's right there and he's protecting his whole bed. He's protecting the room. He can't touch me here. So yeah, I don't know. I think about these things and, you know, you hear about people going through a haunting experience where they were scratched in their back and things like that. But outside of that, I don't really ever recall a whole lot of people dying from experiencing some kind of paranormal haunting. And so I guess that's kind of why I just go into these situations is like, I don't care. Like, I'm like, I don't remember somebody dying from a ghost. So I'll survive. It's, I don't worry about a whole lot, but yeah, it's really cool. And I appreciate coming on the show and sharing. So that's okay. Thanks for having me on. Well, that's a show everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care who you share it with or how you share it. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. And until next week, friends, stay safe, take care, and remember the truth was such a free, but first of all, piss you off. Bye. 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