‘Ghostbusters’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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Apple Watch is not a medical device and should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice. All right, guys, four wisecracking New Yorkers against a marshmallow apocalypse is the actual sentence in the description for this movie. I think on Netflix or somewhere, the eight biggest eighties movies. Just biggest. Let's hear it. Just by year. I'm not ranking these. Okay. Empire. Raiders. Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, back to the future in Batman. Those are the eight biggest movies by how much money they made. What they meant to pop culture. Just how huge they were. Did you ranking them? Or did you get this as an answer? I'm not ranking. I'm just putting that in order from 1989. Okay. I think those are the eight. And I thought Top Gun would be in there, but it just didn't make as much money as us. These movies made huge money. They changed the lives of the people that were in them. They infiltrated pop culture for months and months. And I think that's the list. So why this movie is here? I mean, for seven year old me, this was the most important thing in the world. Like 84. I don't even think I had a relationship to sign that live. But this is the perfect mixture of childlike wonder with like adult humor. And so you're watching this movie and you get when you're a kid, you get like 25%, 50% of the jokes maybe. Yeah. But there's just something about Marie and the tone that you're like, I'm mesmerized by this. Like, as the ghosts and the marshmallow man and everything else. So this was to me. I mean, this is like a story about monoculture. This is a story about like, I don't know anybody that was like ghost busters. I don't know anybody that was like Madonna, Princeton and Bruce Springsteen either. It's like 84. We just made stuff that like everybody was kind of like, yeah, it's pretty good or great. Or I love it. Or I'm obsessed with it. He was funny rewatching it. It's just like putting on like an old comfy sweatshirt that you've had forever. You're like, Oh, I love when I put this on. It just feels so good. I just love this. That's what it's been for 42 years. You know, I was watching a movie in about 20 minutes into it. Like, I, I started to feel so good about the experience that I was having that I tried to like, sit up for a second, take a step back and go, why is this happening? Why does this movie still work like this on me? And I don't know. I wish I could have come up with an answer. Bill Murray makes me feel at home. And I grew up in Bill Murray together, magic, ghosts in New York. The way I view and think of New York, a lot of it oriented and created by this movie. Like, it's, it's, I can't explain why it's still so perfect for me, but it did not lose one step. You were a little bit older when it came out. So was that any cynicism about it for you? Or is there any, what's your relationship? No, it was the opposite. I was got, I was thinking back to 84. We had no, no MCU really. We had a couple of Superman films, no MCU really. There was no MCU. Doesn't exist. Well, with DC Comics, not really. They were all either on TV or comic books. It's pretty bad, man. We have, yeah. There was Flash Gordon. For Alien movies, we had like ET. But at that point, Murray and Acroid are comedy royalty from SNL, from the first five years of the show. You have that. You have, everyone kind of knew this was a Balushi movie and then he died. Yeah. That kind of put that on the radar a little bit. And then they really, really promote it in the perfect way, because they put out that no ghost thing. That was out like. I ain't afraid of no ghost. Just simple. You didn't even know what it was. It was a slash through. They did like almost like viral marketing. And then they had the MTV, the Ray Parker song. And they had a great video. Great video. And it was on for that whole summer. But this was summer of 84, which was the Olympics in LA. It was the Hyde of Michael Jackson in Springstay and all these different things. Michael Jordan's about to be in the NBA and just pop culture was ready for this. So is this in Beverly Hills Cop, both in the same year, combined with a million other things? And reading about the movie and like the way it was released and the way it was marketed was huge summer movie that then became what everybody dressed as for Halloween. And then became a huge Christmas movie because people were giving each other toys. Yeah. Ghostbusters toys for Christmas. So it essentially stretched through three quarters of 84 of people routinely going. And you think about like Project Hail Mary will probably make more money. I think then Oppenheimer. They're projecting now. Yeah. Oh my god. But Project Hail Mary is like kind of already out of the consciousness. Like it. I mean, people want to see it and people dig it and you know, like my wife only just saw it. But it's not like. I don't think people are going to be dressed as as Brian Gosling from Project Hail Mary for Halloween. Yeah. And if you see more Ghostbusters, then you will that it was also just a really great idea for a movie. Everything is not by comedy ghosts, but not scary ghosts, but kind of scary. It's fun. And it's New York City. It just worked. Everything is novel in the movie. Like everything is something that we kind of hadn't seen before. Yeah. We hadn't really seen the proton packs. We hadn't seen like we hadn't seen paranormal guys fighting ghosts in this way with a hotline. Everything is brand new, which is a problem that we run into now. Is we compare movies in the age that we're living in right now to movies in the past. And we just forget that like we've seen a lot of shit. Like we've seen a lot of stuff. Yeah. The reason why sinners worked so well for a lot of people is because that was kind of not in plot. Obviously the plot was a little derivative, but that was kind of some shit that we hadn't quite seen before. You're talking about original IP movies. I'm original IP movies, but even beyond that, forget about that. I'm talking about like this movie we're talking about like Gozer and like Zool and these ancient demons that they're fighting ghosts taking over New York. They're doing all of this, but to your point, they're not doing it like seriously. They're never real. They're scared, but they're wisecracking their way through it. They call it a sinkhole and you don't feel like they're saying, yeah, they'll get up this movie. I mean, I have this for later and stuff, but like we should talk about now like the way that they tell this story is completely different than the way they would do it in 2026. And it was completely different than the way that the sequel is kind of worked out where they're spending way too much time explaining the sort of paranormal mechanics of a lot of the stuff or the history or the cult history of the occult history of the stuff. This is just kind of like, yeah, it goes to the ghost area and the traveler, the kid, key master, the gatekeeper. Yeah. They can't meet. Yeah. They can't meet. They talk about crossing the streams, they're just like, it would be very bad. Right. Yeah. There's no five minutes. We're going to get to this. Like they do all of this stuff. Do you know how many questions the audience would have now? They build the containment center and we talk about that later. It's like a, they say it's a nuclear reactor in the middle of what essentially is like try back or something like that. It's like, yeah. It's like to all of this stuff, what the movie does is it, it puts a lot of faith in its performers. Yeah. They explain the bigger stuff and they leave the smaller stuff. It just, they let it linger. Yeah. So it was fun reliving it through my kids when they got to the right age to watch us, which is probably like six or seven. It's not like that scary, it's, there's no sex stuff. It's scary in the right ways. You're not going to have nightmares a night. It's funny. It's not like subversive sexual humor, funny. Yeah. Barely any of that. It's just except for that. It's not even like a lot of like great jokes. It's just more the people seem really funny. Well, there's not a lot of gags. Yeah. There's not a lot of one line and gags. Well, I would just, well, there's a lot of one lineers that come out of the movie, but they're not like well-written gag, gag, gag, punting. No, it's like Murray commenting on the absurdity of being a Ghostbusters throughout the movie. Yeah. Once again, we got to a place in comedies where comedies had to like be really high premise. Mm-hmm. They had to be really high premise and you had to keep coming back to that premise over and over again. Forty-year-old guy never had sex. The jokes just right themselves. Every other scene you can have a joke. Yeah. That's an era at that particular point to where the comedic talent was so overwhelming. If you're talking about Bill Murray or Eddie Murphy where you can take one of those guys and put them in the situation and they would funny your scene. They would funny the scene. That's basically what Akra had said. Yeah. He's like, we just needed to put him in the place to succeed. This was the best comedy lady man in the world. Yeah. Akra had was really good as the sidekick. It's probably trading place. was the closest where he came to being the co-read like that, but any time he tried to veer out on his own with like Dr. Detroit or something like that, he couldn't really carry it. He was always better in a role like this, and I have a lot of thoughts about the outdoors, another one where it's him and Candy, and they're going back and forth. He always needed like a foil, and then when he hits the 90s, he becomes more of like the Tommy boy type, like he pops into movies. What's your relationship with this movie, Craig? I mean, obviously something that everyone knows and everyone loves and all the, every kid loves. I saw it when I was really young, have not seen it since, but yeah, it's just like one of those cultural staples that has always been around, but you didn't find it to be like a kids movie when you were watching it. Like just this time. No, right. Definitely not. I think that's the difference with a lot of comedies back then, is it used to be for everyone, and now it's like is it a kids movie or is it not? Yeah. Because a lot of the jokes I would not have gotten when I was eight years old. No. Like most of them almost. The thing is, like the things that make me laugh now are so different than what made me have a set. Did you guys ever watch movies like this with your parents? Sure. So that is something that all, that's an interesting experience because now parents, I'm not a parent, but the sense that I get is that parents don't watch more adult or into comedies with their kids as much they used to. I don't know that that's, but when I would watch Ghostbusters, my dad would laugh at the scene when she's possessed. Yeah. He would laugh at that scene because that's the scene that a older, slightly mashing. Sexual in your window. Yeah. Sexual in your window, he would be like, look, she said, she said, getting cyber, he's not going to do it because she got a demon. He can't do it. She got demon in her. And so like the whole, that is how I learned that I was supposed to find that funny. Right. Like I knew that like there was a joke being made there that I didn't get. And I watched it. I understood it by watching adults react. I remember my parents cracking up at the scene with the mayor. Not just because of dogs and cats living together, but just because of like Ed Koch stand-in negotiating with the Ghostbusters and the, you know, the Carden or Archbishop's there and the Chief of Police and they were cracking up at this guy, letting the Ghostbusters do whatever they wanted because of Venkman pointing out, you'll have saved the lives of millions of registered voters. And they were like, hysterical about it. I was like, I don't get it. Right. It seems like the Ghostbusters made a compelling argument. I don't even, do you think Dan Accroyd and Bill Murray and Ramis would have said that we are making a kids movie as they were writing the film? No. I would say no. They wanted, they were trying to make a huge comedy because it, it used to be you would make a comedy for adults, but you would have elements in it that kids would like. Yes. And now it's, you make a comedy for kids and you have elements in it that adults will like. But adults can stomach. Like Zootopia has adult humor in it, but it is a kids movie first. Yes. There's one thing in this movie that lets me know that they at least had a thought that kids would be into it. It's that there are no random 80s tits that pop up in the movie anywhere. Sure. And they took some of that, they took some of that other stuff out. Like there was like bad writing on the walls that they decided to change. And just like the animation of the ghosts. Like the guy, they're like cute green ghosts and all the food. Like that is a kid's animation, like not really, not really, not really. So, but the movie is scary at times. The demons turn it into stuff. Like the movie is at times like serious. I think it's scary when they're on the top floor of that building when the, it's basically the building's been blown out. And it feels like they could go off the side of the, either side. Also, it's just like kind of heroin. It's just so funny that like they're like, no nudity, no profanity. These guys can change smoke. Yeah. Right. Oh my gosh. There's so much smoke in this. Going back to 84, I wrote a piece. I think it was like my second or third year of page two that I thought 1984 was the greatest year ever for, for like, people like us, like with the sports, the pop culture. So you had Beverly Hills Cop Ghostbusters, your purple rain in the Terminator, your Arnold Sentry. You had 16 candles and Karate Kid laying the template for the 80s teen movies. You had the peaks of Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Prince and Huey Lewis. And you also had, in February, Billie Jean at Motown 25, probably the single greatest television moment of my lifetime. Michael Cogan wins WWE title, Jordan joins the NBA and Marilyn Moe joins the NHL. We have the first bird magic NBA finals. We have Mackenrow Gretzky, Bird and Montana in their absolute primes. We have the Peekabiggies basketball. We have a Thursday NBC with Cosby Show cheers and family ties. We have the start of Miami Vice. We have Letterman breaking through the first slam dunk contest, Madonna's arrival, Flutey wins the Heisman, Tom Hanks makes the leap, Howard Stern and the 84 Olympics with no Russians. I can keep going and going. Is this feeling over Georgetown? That was, that was 85, but we do have Patrick Ewing in Georgetown. There's like 40 other things I could put in there, but it just felt like, I can't explain it, but everything felt really authentic back then. They hadn't really put the thought into, we have this coming, here's how we're going to shape it. Here's how we're going to shape the perception of it. Here's how we're going to promote this. Like Gold Spusters is a summer movie that it just came out. It was like summer movie season has begun with Ghostbusters. Things just kind of happened and it was cool to be there for that and watching people slowly figure out how to commercialize a summer like that and all the things that happened was really interesting in real time. Yeah. I mean, some of this is like our origin story and we probably mythologized that time period in some extent. Maybe they were seven and I was 15. Yeah. It was two different stages. But I also think that it likes for you. I think that there's something about like the way that culture worked back then, maybe because it was like they were freely first starting to see a new level of how much money they could make. But even if you think back to the pop stars that we were being given, that was such a interesting mix of people and like sexual identity. Michael Jackson, you Louis and Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. So even when Ghostbusters 2 comes out, right, the Ghostbusters 2 is a reaction to the new culture that we're in. Big song by Bobby Brown, right? Bobby Brown is in the movie. It's almost a meta commentary on the Ghostbusters. They franchised it. They franchised it. Now by the time it felt like they had to get it out before Batman, it's the whole time. It's the different spirit. It's already changed because everything that we're talking about are people that came along in the era. And it's not. I'm not waxing poetic about it because the talent doesn't exist now to do this same stuff. It was just the first time we had seen some of this stuff. It was the first time the infrastructure for Black Buster films wasn't quite there yet. It was getting there and we weren't as cynical about it. There wasn't a tie-in to McDonald's or all of that stuff hadn't been established yet. So now I actually credit the creativity of contemporary artists because they are really going up against some dogs, some legends, like some people that were really, really, really unique in their approach and their creativity. We weren't cynical about anything in 1984. I just like believed to whatever, it was like Michael Jackson, "Big Ladies, man." It's like, yeah, totally. I agree. I remember Letterman. This was probably the greatest Letterman year. I don't remember it was '85, but he would just fuck with people. And it was always organic. He had a bull horn. He would go out the window and they're filming the Today Show with Brian Cumble and he has the bull horn. He's just messing with them and Brian Cumble is getting mad and it's like, "Oh, you made Brian Cumble mad." And now it would be like, just think of it the way that would be dissected now with social meeting and everyone was like, "Are they feuding? What's going on here?" The history of Letterman versus Brian Cumble and it's like, wasn't like that. I miss it. I miss it. It's amazing to imagine these guys rolling through New York and this is like when you read the research about them in New York City at the time, it's like, they were like, "Mayors. They were the Kings." And the crowd is from SNL, right? Mary and Accurate are like these. But even then, I bet you're starting to get, like, everybody's got this legendary. I was out and Bill Murray came into the bar at 145 with a Marty Grauperade and like, you know, these fucking, you know, complete urban legends, but like, it's starting to build up. And when you watch him work, whenever he's like working the crowd in this movie, you're like, "Oh, shit. Like, this guy could have run for office." The closing credits are phenomenal. Yeah. It's like one of my favorite parts in my movie is they're just in New York City and in New York, everybody, the camera's getting all different parts of New York culture. They're covered in half-stay-plus-force-mellow film, getting into the car, smoking, steel, another hard day at the work for the, it almost becomes like a documentary at the end of the movie. Dude, they shut down New York. They shut down Times Square. They shut down all around Central Park for days and days. They got cheese down to Rockefeller, yeah. People were like, "This is cool. Murray and Accurate. Leave me alone." They're doing a movie. I just think it was just different back then because we almost like didn't know any better. And I think the Ghost Busters, too, is a really good way to frame this. It's only five years later. Yeah. But by the time that comes out, and there was a bunch of other sequels, some of us, we talked about, like we talked about another 40 hours, but like a bunch of the sequels that came out late '80s, early '90s were just money drops, a little further and doing it a little bit more against their will. Even by the time we get to Batman, Batman is an interesting case study in what it is that we're talking about. Batman is a swing. No doubt about it. The character itself is very well known, obviously, in American pop culture. But Tim Burton at that time is an author or tour, and to give him that type of deal, it's - It's like not the safest thing-- - And Michael Keaton is bad man. - Michael Keaton is a swear man. - This is a swing. It's not the safest thing in the world to do. However though, that movie is one of the first movies of that era that was primed to be a box office blockbuster. - With thought put into it. They already knew that we were into the era of the blockbuster, that the '90s would be huge, huge, they had already, 89 when that comes out. All the lessons from the '80s have been learned. So while it's an '80s movie, there were sequels after that it was planned out. They had everything, they had the tie-ins, they had all of that stuff done. So it is very pure what we're talking about. But at the same time, it's of reaction to the movies that came out in the decade prior to it. - Last Crusade was a little like that too. - It absolutely was like that. - Yeah, it is. - But it's very calculated, but the attack was like that. - It's absolutely kind of comes to a, it's like a head with Jurassic. 'Cause Jurassic is like, it's not negotiable. You're going to see this and you're gonna love it. - There's dinosaurs. - There's already shit to buy before the movie even comes out. - Collector's Cups. - But can I tell you, the last Crusade is actually a really good example of this. Because to me, it took a long time for that movie to be properly appreciated because of the way it was when it came out and it was such a big deal. It was maybe the first event in the '80s. - But they had like a Pepsi ad. - They had the whole deal was a big corporate thing. And I think that that hurt and they have Sean Connery in the movie. They actually cast somebody to be equally yoked to Harrison Ford in it. So it was a movie star vehicle big summer event. - But there's stuff about Ghostbusters and the making of it that does kind of like project on to like even today where they're like, they have a release date before they have a script. - Yeah. - They have, you know, like there are certain like parameters around this movie. I think they knew-- - Yeah, they Murray was like not knowing until-- - They were like the last minute that he was doing it. - Yeah, yeah. - How did I miss it? I miss not knowing a lot about a movie. Like all we knew from this movie were a couple commercials. We didn't have that whole infrastructure in place about the stories about it and anything. Like I know we all approached this differently. I tried not to know anything about a movie when it's coming out. Like even when we went and saw sinners, like I don't think I 100% knew there were vampires. Or I knew something was going on or we, or that it was going back to 19th. - Yeah. - There's something I didn't know about it. 'Cause I had been so steadfast of avoiding everything. But these in 1984, this just popped out. We knew Prince was making a movie. - Sure. - New that the video would come out kind of before the movie. That was the first taste of it. Other than that, you didn't know anything. And it was kind of the audience would decide. And that's how it went. - Now you have to know everything to get people to go to the theater. - Like how to kill Mary, do you think that was the case? - Yeah, I mean they certainly reveal-- - It was Gosling. - You knew he was gonna see, the trailer gives a way that he meets an alien out there. - A lot of movies tease the twists in the trailer now because they just need to sell as much as they can to get you off your ass to go into the theater. So they have to tell you basically what the whole story is. - Yeah. - Because they're premise heavy 'cause we don't have the same crop of stars that we use. - Well, and Spielberg is doing the opposite with his current movie where he's not showing anything from the third act in the trailer. And it's a risk because that's why the trailer is not bad. - I think that if you were watching three months of Ghostbusters trailer, if Ghostbusters was coming out now, you would have seen 65% of the good Bill Murray lines in trailers. So you would have seen this chick as toast already. - Right, I also think that like at that point, and I don't have any memory of Ghostbusters when it came out, I don't remember a time when I didn't know Ghostbusters. Like my relationship to Bill Murray on Saturday night live was me going backwards through Ghostbusters, me too. - Backwards through Ghostbusters. For whatever, backwards through like whatever the fucking film is like me going, oh my God, where does Guy get his start? And really like the Eddie Murphy, for me, the Eddie Murphy Saturday night live VHS was just a big part of my ability to like appreciate that in my life. - So I had Murray with the SNL reruns 'cause they show him in prime time. Meatballs, Caddyshack, Stripes, Tootsie, and he would pop on Letterman everyone so out. But it was like, if that guy's in a comedy I'm going. - Yeah. - Like he is, you see his face and you go, - I'm gonna have a good time. - This is the Picas. It's crazy. One of the, I didn't really fully realize this until we did the research. This movie was so big, Murray didn't do another movie for four years, he like got freaked out by how powerful and enormous this became and it made him rethink like everything. And he accurate wasn't really the same either. He did raise his edge before Ghostbusters. That was supposed to be his like, here's my, here's my serious actor as well. - I'm a serious actor as well. - Acroid did spies like us in '85 and dragged that in '87, pretty rockhead for that. Right man and Raymus, it worked out better for those guys. But it's pretty, you see this sometimes where something so big that people don't almost know what to do. Leo did Titanic and I would have you make one movie in the next five years of the beach. Did the beach and that was it. They're like, oh shit. Post-Bloose Brothers, Acroid was fascinating about the supernatural and Quentin physics and parapsychology, all the stuff. And he wanted to trap Ghost and do a movie with him and Belushi Trapping Ghost. This was 1981 and he was inspired. I never saw these movies. Sean probably has them on 4K. Abna Castello, hold that ghost. Bob hoped the Ghostbreakers, the Bowry Boys, Ghost Chasers. So he wanted to do a comedy ghost movie but haven't rooted in actual research for how this stuff would work. Writing the Belushi scenes for the movie the day Belushi died. Like he tells that story in the Bob Woodward book and then had to audible the noise he knew. It was originally called Ghost Smashers. So he has this whole thing, shows it to right man. Right man's like, this would cost a Cajillion dollars. - And it was set in the future. - Yeah, it was like, can you put this in Earth? They get ramiss and they pitch it. So this is why I get dubious of some of the casting what ifs 'cause right man says he goes in, pitches this movie. It's gonna be the three of us. We're gonna rewrite it. There are gonna be the three ghost busters, Murray and Ramis and Acroid and we're off. Then there's like 100 casting what ifs. So I don't, we're gonna go to later. I don't know what to believe. So they rewrite the movie. They decide, Ramis is gonna be the brains. Acroids the heart. Murray's basically the wisest. And they set it in New York City. And we're good to go, Van. - Done. - Do it. And it's, by the way, in the Horoback scale. Hour 45. - Right there. - Yeah. - I don't even know what I would cut. I think it's kind of perfect. - Yeah, I think anything in the hour 40 is fine. Just to go back to something Van was saying a little bit, there's something different about this than Stripes and Beverly Hills Cop to me. Where Stripes and Beverly Hills Cop feels like 1970s scripts that they were like, this has been kicking around or like we have an idea based on something that is already been done. - Yeah. - What if Eddie Murphy was the cop? What if Bill Murray was the soldier? And what would we do with that? This feels new. This feels like something that's like, like this and back to the future feel like movies that I'm like, I don't think they could have done this in 1976. - It's good to bring those together 'cause those back to the future is the next year. - Yeah. - Those are the two where it's like, I'm sure when they were working on this, they were probably like, is this gonna work? - Yeah, is this gonna work, but also like, this might be massive. - Yeah. - 'Cause you'd be able to have a feeling 'cause you're catching light in the bottle with some of the stars. But yeah, it's a good point. - But they both have like iconography where you're like the skateboard and you know, the inventing skateboarding basically or like, you know, the Ecto one and the jumpsuits in this where you're like, man, I just feel like these guys just, they got six or seven new things and six or seven things that are just 100 years old and solid and they put them together to make something nobody had seen before. - And the movie is very '80s. Like, I thought about things this time. She's a concert violinist. - Yeah. - Shellist, right? - Like a shellist. - Yeah, she's a concert shellist. - And not really addressed her show now. - Not really addressed her show. - She's the rehearsal. - She is an artist. She is a woman about her times that her-- - Living in Central Park West. - Living in Central Park West. Like, he walks into it and he goes to the last, basically, she's successful lady. - Her entire independence is upended by the fact that she has an uninvited guest that she can't kick out, which is the ghost. So like it's almost a tool, a meta commentary on like the '80s woman. Like, all of the stuff that's happening in the movies, the movie is this very '80s, it's very '80s because there's a cultural explosion that's happening around that time that the movie takes advantage of. - Murray is on an all-time run that we mentioned. '79, '84, Meatballs, Caddish X Stripes, Tootsie Ghostbusters. I mean, Jesus. He's been living off that for 42 years. - Yeah. - The guy can do no wrong. Accurate had blues brothers. He did neighbors and doctor to trait between trading places and trading places, which if we're talking about all these, like, and we've done a lot of them on rewatch the most, trading places is just a kick-ass conventional movie. - Yes. - With major stars. - This movie is a kick-ass movie that had the chance to grow in a different way. - Well, you talk about the casting motives. Like, trading places, there's 10 versions of the two guys in trading places. - And nine of them, don't work. - And nine of them, with Charles Grownen and Hot Nero or something like that. You know, like, you could pick pairs and make a lot of those movies work. You could pick pairs and make 48 hours work. Maybe not on the level it does. Beverly Hills cop. You could find a Detroit cop going at Beverly Hills. I don't know, you look at the casting what ifs, even if you just, do a fake fantasy draft of like, who would you want as the four ghost busters? There's no way to top this, this is the Beatles. - How much, how many digestible science, fiction, blockbusters had we had before this? Obviously, Star Wars was a gigantic thing. - Because like, Alien was in a blockbuster. - Right, I'm talking about. - Alien was a blockbuster, I think in '86. - What is that deal in like paranormal, there's ghost stuff, this film has to play in middle America. Like, but it's a, it's a science big guys, close encounters. - Like those movies were like what would be a film. So I'm talking about like, in this way, like for a comedy, for them to kind of do this version of it. - It's failed a hundred times. - Right, yeah, it usually doesn't work. And honestly, I'm not sure how this movie works. - I think this movie works because like, when you go back through it, there are like a hundred lines where I'm like, oh, that is actually now just something I say with life, and I forgot, it came from Ghostbusters. Do you know what I mean? Like an aside that you make routinely. - Don't cross the streams actually became like pop culture. - Yeah, I was gonna ask, I was gonna ask you that. - Did that come from this movie? - Yeah. - Like, peeing crossing streams, that. - Don't cross the streams. - This entire movie is a piece of pop. Like, the fact that Mythbusters, something is called Ghostbusters. - Yeah, anything like that. - And anything, Busters is like this entire movie is just-- - Yeah, there's a bunch of those with this. - Yes, yeah, Sigourney Weaver. Oh, let's actually, we'll take a break and then I gotta talk about Sigourney Weaver. - This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Right now, McDonald's, you can get great deals all day with McValue. That's right, jumpstart your day with the under $3 menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just $1.50. Or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just $2.50. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon, like a McDouble in hand. Gotta love the McDouble's. Get even more value with McValue only at McDonald's. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba. Limit of time only, prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. - Sigourney Weaver, fought for the part. Smart, they were like your dramatic actress. You went to Yale, we're intimidated by your six feet tall. She's like, I'm really funny. You gotta try me out. She does from a 10-year span, $79.89. Alien, Ghostbusters, aliens and working girl. Trifor the biggest movies of that stretch. She was also an eyewitness. You're living dangerously, deal the century girls in the midst of Ghostbusters two. Stealth case for winning the 80s. For female actresses. I don't know who else is in there. - I'd have to see Barrel Streep's 80s. - Yeah, I'm real. - She had, she probably. - So you feel, I don't think. - I have blockbusters. - Yeah, not blockbusters, yeah. - The Melon and Griffiths probably in there. - Really Griffiths is new. - But I think Sigourney has the best mix of like, blockbusters with like. - She has personality. - She has blockbusters. - Ghostbusters has the gold. She has a, she has romcom, she has blockbusters, sci-fi stuff. She has a pretty good. - Can I hear Diane Keaton's 80s? - Diane Keaton's 80s, that has. - She's like baby boom. - I don't think she had it because some of it's from the 70s. - Okay. - And it's tough. Well, we already figured out that Renee Russo when the 90s, a few podcasts to go. - Congratulations. - Just convincingly, too. - Just destroyed everybody. - Those are NBA comp. - What's the, what's the really devastatingly effective championship winning NBA player that nobody remembers how good they were when they were on top of their game? - Sigourney Weaver? - No, I'm talking about Renee Russo. - Oh, Renee Russo. - Renee Russo was a problem. - Like, highlight reel? - Like, like, yeah. - Yeah. - Hey, look at Renee Russo back. - She looks like nine bangers. - Nine bangers. - Yeah. - Not misses. - I think she's the second most rewatchable's library actress. - She might be. - I think it's Meg Ryan and then her, something like that. (laughing) - Yeah, so Sigourney, and then date was the only other combination to which Veronica was with that. - Yeah. - But she had a good timing. I don't know. She's so tall. Like, if there's other actors that could have been in this that I think it would have been bad. - I mean, just her is like a relatively tall guy. So if any interactions with Marannis are like, they're just funny to look at together. - Yeah. - It's just like, as soon as he comes out of his apartment, you're like, you gotta be fucking kidding. - Yeah, it looks like Wembee with like, like, Steph and Castle. Ray Parker's theme song. Do you have any Sigourney Weaver? You want to save it for later? - Oh, I'll save it for later. I love it. - Okay, I love it. - I figured. - Yeah. - Ray Parker's theme song, number one for three weeks. The video is number one in MTV. Directed by Rightman. Featured Chevy Chase, John Candy, George Went, The Individo, Carly Simon, a million people, and everyone's dancing down the streets of New York City. And they closed Times Square, which they kind of stopped doing after the '80s. And I think Vanilla Sky was like the last anything that got them before Times Square. - Yeah, so you have to do it now at Don, but they were probably like, 3.45 pm. We're just gonna see Ghostbusters. - So then it turned into this whole scandal with the Huey Lewis song. - Yeah. - I want a new drug. - Yeah. - Which is a, what's age the worst for this movie? Because there's a lot of research on this. That they wanted Huey Lewis to do the song. They put, I want a new drug as the temp song and some of the early scenes. And then Ray Parker had a week to write the song. And it really does sound like the same thing. So there's some mystery lawsuit that we've never heard that these songs. - I think Huey Lewis financially did okay. - I think he did okay. - Yeah, 'cause he bounced back like the next year. He did the whole back to the future, right? And like, he had two albums that sold like 20 million years. - Yeah, he was the man at that point. - You know what? I'm glad we have them both. (laughing) It's like having Heather Thomas and Heather Locklayer. We're all winners. - That's right. - Two really good songs. There's an incredible what if with this movie that we mentioned earlier about Eddie Murphy. And there's a lot of competing journalism. - Competing narratives about this. Acroid seems to be adamant that it was four Ghostbusters and Winston was gonna be Eddie Murphy. And that one adds up to me more because they had just done trading places together. As he's writing Ghostbusters. Also, why wouldn't you want Eddie Murphy in this movie? - But right now it was like that wasn't the case, right? - Rightman said, no, no, he was never a serious thing, but I almost felt like he was trying to be nice to Ernie Hudson. - Right. - I'm gonna believe that they went hard after Eddie Murphy. And I don't know why they wouldn't have. - Of course. I think it adds up because he had relationships with Murray and Acroid. It's almost a new category, Craig. The Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters award for biggest what if? Because if he's in this movie from the beginning, it breaks my brain. - So you think it doesn't work? - It does not work. - Absolutely not in no way shape or form. - First of all, like I don't-- - Can we talk this out? - There's not enough screen for those guys all to be on screen together doing like this movie works because the other guys revolve around Murray. - Right. - If you have Murphy in there and they're like, let's give Murphy like three scenes where there's no script and he's just allowed to like cook. I just think it starts to blot out the sun a little bit. Like I'm sure we would have clips that we were like, that's the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen, but you can't just like let Eddie Murphy cook from the winters. - So it's just like AJ Brown and Jalen Hertz? - Or AJ Brown and Drake May. - Wow. - Yeah, it's, it's, when Ernie comes into the movie, he does exactly what he's supposed to. - Exactly. - He steadies the whole deal. - He's a little bit of skepticism. - A little bit of skepticism, a little bit of realness. - He's an every man. He's an every man. Everybody else is all into this absurdist comedy and he's the one like, I need my own lawyer, you know? He's perfect. Eddie, you gotta let him win scenes. Or if you don't let him win, he's going to win them. So it just doesn't work. It's like that weird Lakers team where they had Nash and Howard and the Saul and all of those guys. There's not enough basketball in, got a bad back. - You're the same person and things Jason Tatum and Jalen and Brown can't play together. - So what I said, so they played better than Brown's leading the team. I'm, I'm Zaggin. I think they could have figured it out. I actually think the upside of the movie is higher and the downside is lower. I'm fine with what we landed 'cause this became an iconic awesome movie. - Yes. - It's really hard for me to believe that Eddie Murphy in 1984 wouldn't have improved the movie. - I don't think it wouldn't have, I don't think it wouldn't have, improving is a weird thing. I just think it wouldn't be what it is. And I think there would be like three scenes where you're like, holy shit, like I can't believe we didn't get more Eddie Murphy. - Eddie Murphy talking to ghosts. You're telling me I'm not enjoying that in the movie theater? - But okay, where's Eddie at in this career at this point? Like what Eddie has done 40-hour trading places and he's doing Beverly those cop that comes at the same time. - He's stuffing baby in the corner. He's not going, it's not going, it's not going to work. - So he did a movie called Deal of the Century, ironically, where he's in, they basically filmed his scene. It didn't work, it wasn't a good movie. And he's in it, he kind of pops in and out. So he's like a star, but he's not a star. And I wonder if they did that for this where he's in basically half the movie as like they're bringing the firepower? - I mean, it would be, like it would be really funny if Eddie Murphy played Walter Peck. - Oh, just for like. - Richard Peck or Walter Peck? - No, it's Walter Peck. - Walter Peck. Like if he just had like two scenes. Two scenes. - Well, it's a what if cause he could have gone 40-hour trading places, Beverly those cop and Ghostbusters in three years. That would have shed it down too much. - That was a pretty funny to watch Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters too. - Oh, he would have done it. He would have been available. - Wow, I'm surprised you guys weren't more receptive to this. You're really protective of the four Ghostbusters. - Well, to me, this is a perfect film. Like I just think that like you start to mess with the notation of the music, and it changes the tune a little bit. - And then would you have wanted any work in this? - I get what they're saying. I think it would have worked if maybe he had like a guest spot type role where he just came in and like Deon Waiters to two big scenes and then got out. I don't know if he could have been in the whole movie. - Another thing to me, the movie is oriented around the comedic tone and styleings of Bill Murray. And Eddie Murphy does his comedy in a different way. - Yeah. - Also, I think I always thought the Winston character like didn't make any sense. That felt like they were four. I feel like he didn't have a ton to do. (laughs) To be honest, it felt like a token casting. - Wow. - Interesting. - You don't think so? - Yeah, one of us, we can't bus ghost. - Put him in the beginning of the movie then. - Yeah, oh, so now you've gone to the other way. - He wants to be a scientist as well. - I'm like, we just jammed him in there. He didn't have a ton to do. - We want to say, I got some stuff to say about that. - I have more in the scene. - This is when they were work than we thought it was gonna be. - It just felt like they bailed on that storyline. - I think it's a really nice, like we got to bring somebody off the bench in the middle of the movie. - I think the reason why-- - It could have been Eddie Murphy. (laughs) - All right, the funniest person alive in the '90s or '94. - Yeah, I just thought we could go through like these movies that were just like, you know what would be good is if Tom Cruise showed up to see this. Why can't Tom Cruise be the vampire? - But in this case, he really was supposed to be the fourth ghost poster. - Sure. And I think that like at Ernie Hudson's sometimes acrimonious relationship to this movie, like at various points where he's been like, well the script, like there's a much bigger part in the script that I read. I wonder if that was for Eddie. I wonder if they wrote it thinking we might get Eddie. - All kinds of research on that with whether it was a much bigger part that got cut down once they realized Ernie Hudson was in it or what was going on. This movie is nominated for two Oscars. Best song, best visual effects. Elmer Bernstein scored, not nominated. Very good though. We were, what's the Horabeck scale? - 100 minutes? - Yeah. - So we're plus five. - Yeah, that's fine though. - It's amazing. - If it's in our 40s range, it's fine. - Okay. - $30 million dollar budget made $298 million dollars. - In 1984 so adjusted. - That's like a bill or eight. - Second biggest film in '84. Biggest comedy ever at the time, which lasted only a few weeks and then Beverly Hills Cop took that. Number one for seven straight weeks. Kicked off the number one list by a little movie called Purple Rain. We still need to make things in America. - We sure did. We fucking knew what we were doing in 1984. - We sure did. - Sorry Ghostbusters, Princess here. - I sure you're gonna get to Roger in a second. I had a quote from just reading up about this that I thought really summed it up. Judd Apptow said, "It really is a perfect comedy. It was all those people at the height of their powers. They had mastered their craft and made the film we dreamed they'd make." Movies like Ghostbusters made us want to make movies. - No notes. - Roger went three and a half stars. - See? (laughing) - He doctored a half star for "Russian Murphy" (laughing) - He said, "Rearly has a movie this expensive provided so many quotable lines." And he said, "Ghostbusters is one of those rare movies where the original fragile comic vision has survived a multi-million dollar production." - Yeah. - Good way to put it. Want to go to the scenes? - Let's go to the scenes. - Most three watchables gonna be interesting. Most three watchables scene. Vancouver working ESP with the two kids in favor in the blind is so fucking funny. - Studying the effect of negative reinforcement on ESP for five dollars. - For five bucks. Do you know what movie that the guy was in in that scene? - He didn't recognize him. - I did. - He's the only one who's seen this movie. - What? - I actually see "R" might have. Christine. - Oh yeah. - He was one of the two bad guys. - Yeah, he sure was. - He and that other guy, Buddy. - And Jennifer Runyon is the one? - Jennifer Runyon. - Yeah. - Beautiful hair. - I think "Christine" one of the 10 worst movies I've seen the most. It's really awful. - Yeah, it's hard for me. - I think I've seen it at least 20 times. - I've seen a bunch. It was hard for me to view it as bad. But it's those Stephen King movies back there then we're kind of game. - I like the all of them. - I mean, "Maximum Overdrive" is still my dream. We're watchable. - Even Stephen King didn't like the "Steven King" movies. And I'm like, "Sign me up, Kujo." Just to be trapped in a car for 45 minutes. - Have you ever seen "Maximum Overdrive?" It's Stephen King directed it while "High on Cocaine." - Yeah, say no more. - Stars in "Millewest of Es" and is about machines taking over the world. - Yeah, wait a minute. It's bad shape. - I did see this. - Yeah, and it's set at a truck stop in North Carolina. - Yeah, I did see this. It's like, oh, no, I'm thinking of a repel, man. - I don't want to do Cocaine month for the rewatchables. I want to do Cocaine year. - What? - Just 52 movies where everybody was out of their mind. - It's 2028 leading into the presidential election. It's Cocaine year. - Cocaine year. - Next we watch, we'll see in the fellas, go to the library and get spooked. - My uncle thought he was saying to Rome. (laughing) This, a couple of movies have done a really good job of nailing how creepy libraries are. The wrong kind of time of day of a big sprawling library. You just feel like something awful could happen. Any place where there are support, where there are a lot of people in it, but you are supposed to be quiet, feels odd. - Yeah, good point. - Sigourney with the groceries, AKA Dana. We get the Ghostbusters commercial on TV at this point. - We are ready to believe you. Really good special effects with the eggs, and I think we should have mentioned it at the top. For 1984, some of the special effects were excellent. Like really good, like we have eggs frying on a counter and in 1984 going, wow, how'd they do in that? - Yeah. - Now it would be like, you know, they could do anything in that. - One of the biggest picking knits of the entire movie to me, the still is a woman like Dana buying a giant bag of marshmallows. Interesting. - Which you think she was gonna make rice crispy treats or something? - Oh. - Like for her orchestra or something. - Like I don't know. - Whatever she was getting down. - Anna, we gettin' marshmallows. - Okay. - Yeah, sexual food added. (both laughing) - He's appealing directly to you. - I like things. - Travis sends fancy values sometimes. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think she would have cleaned the eggs up. - Yeah, yes. - Things were on the counter for like two days. - Well, she didn't want to clean them because she was gonna go get the Ghostbusters to come back in ten months. - For the evidence. - That's true. - Yeah. - Bankman gets slimed in the banquet room. - That's great. Actual physical contact. - Save me some. - This is where we get the don't cross the streams. This is where we get the, we came, we saw, we conquered. He veers into Nick the Lounge singer and Carl from Catashack a little bit. - We kicked his house. - He's a little bit. - This is my favorite scene. My most rewatchable. Right after that, the most 80s movie montage. - You could possibly have. - So good. - Ray Parker song kicks in. Kiwi Lewis's lawyers immediately go to work. We get Roger Grimsley. The Live at Five Anchor in New York City. - Yeah, yeah. - Roger Grimsby. We get Early Larry King. We get a USA Today Ghost Fever grips New York. We get Time Magazine Omni in the Atlantic. We get the soothing sounds of Casey Kasam. We get the Joe Franklin show. We get the globe with a princess die expecting again. And this is clearly the kid cut your pursuit to happen as best needle drop. But it just makes me so happy to watch this. - Yeah, this is, this is like the serotonin hit. This is like legal ecstasy. - Yeah. - You watch this, you're like god damn. It was just the best. - The only thing missing is Pacino and Cruising. Just dancing. (laughing) Dancing leather jacket. - This is like a horror form. - Yeah. - Maybe when we do the social clip, we can run the montage, but then work in Pacino. - Sure. - The leather outfit. Rick Miranda's party. - Love it. - Love it. - Supposedly mostly ad-libbed. He introduces people by their financial situations that come in a door, has the blonde, who, I mean, I know he's pined over so Gordy Weaver and so Gordy Weaver looks better. - You like Jean Kessum, the butt? - Oh yeah. - He'll run in tears. - Kess is girlfriend, yeah. - Kessie Kessum's wife. - Miranda's coming out and going, "Hey, this is real smoke salmon from Nova Scotia. "Get it, it's 2495 pounds. "Only cost me $14.12 after tax, though. "I'm thinking of this whole thing as a promotional expense. "That's why I invited clients instead of friends. "You having a good time, Mark, how are you doing? "Why don't you have some breath, it's a room temperature. "He's like the fucking-- - Go in. - Yeah, I was just like, he serves a head trick in the first period. - Well, his guy's Bob and Dave. - Bob and Elaine, yeah, they have, like, wait, the one where they come in. - They have one there. - The S.A. TV, though, he did-- - Oh yeah, the uh, the fucking brothers. - He's the brother. - The McKenzie brothers. - The McKenzie brothers, yeah. - He's doing a combo of that, but there's a little garth from Winsworld and there are two or just kind of like, talk to that inside of his mouth. We didn't talk about Baroness, which a relationship with him. - Obviously, this limited by the fact that he doesn't do a ton after honey, I shrunk the kids, right? He, like, basically disappeared. - Now, it kind of disappeared. - But this is a performance worthy of considering renaming the Dianne Warriors award after him. - Going nuts. - Going nuts. - Absolute, like, he plays like two different characters in this and they are both among the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Him is Vince Corso. Him is Lewis Tully and then Sneaky. Him as Lewis Tully again at the end. - Yeah. - Who does your taxes? (laughing) - Lovable and hilarious. Like, I don't know, man. So, what do you come in and get a mineral water? (laughing) - Like, you see him at first. He's got to be in the scene when you see him. He's got to be a little bit of a pest. Yeah, but he's got to be lovable enough to wear later on in the movie. You're going to feel like a sense of danger because he's been possessed. You're going to have to be happy. Well, it seems like he dies when he goes against the window. It seems like that's it for him. And then it comes back. And then they just give him a scene where it's just like, we have Rick Moranis in this movie. You know, Rick Moranis, let me let us show you how funny he is. Honey, I shrunk the kids. It was a massive movie. Do you know the premise of that crack? Oh, I love there's a kid. Yeah. He was a major star. Major star. And the little giants, the little giants, the last time I remember, yeah, yeah, I left little giants. Didn't want straight man in that one a little bit reminds me a little Joe Anderson. Didn't totally want it. Just like this life. Oh my God. Didn't want to move away. Geez. He's wanting to stay there. He wanted to stay in Maryland. I like this. Rick Moranis. Just like this life. Um, I thought he got out of acting because his wife got sick or something. I know. I mean, I'm just saying like he doesn't have like a million parts like my relation to the brand. This is like you made six great movies. Is that right though? I don't believe so. Yeah. Something he's going to raise his kids and like all that just, you know, next scene, are you the key master? Sigourney. You want to do this now? Yeah. Okay. Absolute. Listen. Okay. So I'm going to have a glass of water. All right. So look. What's what what are we doing? We're just we're asking this. We're asking the question. Oh, yeah. That's Catherine. Well, okay. Yeah. We're asking the question though. You're not going to door. She asked you to keep master. You come in, she then said, I am like, yeah, that's what you have to keep master actually. And then you, you watch him go through that scene and he's a perfect gentleman. Venkman is a good guy because he comes off like a sleaze bag in every other scene when he knows that it's not her. He is a pre to consent master is what he is. Venkman is. Venkman goes because he actually is playing it on the surface. Oh, maybe why not? Why not? But he can't, he can't do it. This has been a question in my family for a long time, whether or not, you take a shot at possess data. Take a shot at possess data. Yeah. Because you don't know. Mate, do you take a shot at we also don't know if your sexual sacrifice spares everybody this whole occult goes or the gozerian situation in the first place. You also don't know what the sex is going to be like. I mean, that would be the big stick for me. Yeah. That gets into species territory. That could. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going into Natasha Hentridge in the hotel room level. Yeah. Can I do my flex now? Because it's related. Let's see. The Mallory. And this wasn't even in the dock because you didn't think anybody would bring this up. The Mallory Ruben Award for did this movie need a better sex scene. It's not Weaver and Murray. It's Weaver and Moranis. We needed a Natasha Hentridge style. I'm the roof. Yeah. Cause he's the actual key master. We is. And we see him. I think it's implied that they did. Oh, for sure. And we see him kind of in the afterglow. Yeah. I wanted to. I mean, it can be like clothes on. That's fine. You can know nudity. But I wanted to see her just because like just the physical difference between the two of them. I think that would have taken their relationship to the next level. We actually got to see her on top of him. Just tearing him down. Wow. It would have been amazing. Wow. Are ready to go. Yeah. It went the way it should have gone though. You can't do it. Just possess. Can't do it. There is no Dana. Only. He pumps her full of thoresy. Next scene. The spirits get lucid New York City. Thanks to that asshole Walter Peck. Just fucking unleashes everybody. Classic politician. Yeah. Classic politician. Classic politician. Stuff. Yeah. That's fine. It's fine. It's fine. The big ending I don't even know what to make of. Where do these stairs go? They go up. Yeah. The choices made. I'm excited to be a part of it. Did you make a choice? Um, the blown out building balcony. Um, which I mentioned makes me anxious. And then the whole state puff marshmallow and thing. Just should not have worked. Yeah. And it's amazing. Accurate is great in that scene. When they're like, did you? Did you? And it's just like. The thing that I laughed at this time was. They go, you think about who you're. Whatever is who's going to bring up. And then they go. The decision has been made. Like right away. Because he's thinking about the state puff marshmallow man. The comic timing of him not being able to clear his mind. Yeah. Just hysterical. And then he right away knows he's fucked up and he checks out. If it had been van and he was it. And it would have just been like a. Of 100 foot Lisa Bonay from Angel Heart. Yeah. Just walk through the city. He was working on talking down. Yeah. The fuck. Oh god. Uh, that also has. They finally decide they should cross the streams. Yes. Yeah. And then I mentioned the closing credits. We're just a mental amount of fun. Uh, what do you have for us? We watch. I have two you mentioned. Okay. One. The first time Peter goes to Dana's apartment with the turkey Baster. Yep. And he's just like playing the piano. I was like. I love his torture room. It's Dr. Vinkman boys. Like that. And then the jail. Uh, the jail scene where all the prisoners gather. Oh, yeah. Going into the mayor's office with. With pack and. I felt like that was the trading places. Jail. I love to. They just shot it. The same. Just all the guys. The same guys. Yeah. They just ran away. Somebody's coming. But yeah. I mean, like the whole thing when one pack and Vinkman are squaring off in front of the mayor. Uh, but the real rewatch was seen as the fame montage. Um, so the open to me. The first thing you see are the ghosts. The movie sets up like what the actual style movie is. Yeah. And before you get to Vinkman, it shows the library. And you get the actual haunting because it got put you in the world. So I think that's very important. Uh, but you know what? I always loved. The first call. The first call they ever get, which is actually filmed in the built more downtown LA. Yeah. Yeah. And like the, but the first call they get where they're in there. And it's slimer to me. That's my favorite scene of the move when she's like we got one. Yeah. And they go there and they're like actually using their equipment for the first time. It's like almost the Ghostbusters or the story scene. God bless you. That's my favorite scene in the movie. We should probably go to the built more and do like a whole video shoot. I think the best stuff has been in the 12 rewatchable movies. Yeah. Didn't just come up into living that in our air. Am I crazy? I think the billboard is where they do the, the guy jumping off the roof until it to live in LA. Was that, was that where they did the elevator? What was that? Or that was another one. That's in the line of fire that is the elevator. When you go there, it's awesome because they obviously have all of those movies. Yeah. Up there so you can see that they were shocked. What's the most 1984 thing about this movie? I think the winner of this is the Ghostbusters montage. But I think we should talk about some other ones. Larry King taking radio calls while smoking. Yeah. Larry King definitely. This is actually where people ask like Chris, what's your ambition? And I'm like, I want Bill to give me a drive time call in radio show that I could smoke during. There you go. Done. You're live on drive time with C.R. AJ Brown was open that guy. Chris, what's going on with the street lights? I hate it. I love it. These fire holes. What are they going to do about it? Thanks for leaving my call. What are they doing with all this copper C.R.? I have for an 1984 runner who's up. Acroids video camera. I actually like 1984. See the twin towers a couple of times on this, which is tough. Gene Kasim. Yeah. It's just this was like her moment between this and chairs and being married to Casey. So what was the deal here? Like they wanted to use Casey Kasim's voice and Gene Kasim is probably like, I'll do your movie. If you put my wife in the movie. Yeah. Nothing. She can't act. I'm just asking. My favorite runner up for this though is calling someone a pencil neck. Oh, that's been going for 38 years. It's a lot of here. Yeah. Yeah. That was like that picked in the 80s. Having a pencil neck in a long time. I got a couple. One. Uh, there goes. It was in the Amelia. I asked about Elvis. No one has any clue. In the mid 80s. How big of a fucking deal. Elvis is death and potential. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone talking about it all the time on the front of every national acquirer. Somebody saw Elvis in West Virginia with a hunk of talk. It's like all the deaths from the last 15 years that were a massive just combined into one death. There's a lot of us. Uh, Tribeca being fucked up. Oh, that's a really good one fucked up. Goes into the air and goes. He says the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone. Yeah. Like Tommy Alter has a bar that he likes to go to that legitimately is right across the street. From this ghost busters. On Varic. Yeah. Right there. You can see the thing. It's right there. Areas fucking beautiful. What? We go there. What I'm in New York. Me and Tommy and other people. We have a friendly. I was going to do my Tommy in Perstation. I don't know if I should do that. I'm going to watch most. What is it? What's the name of the bar? I can't. Well, I can't remember the name of the bar. I really can't. Well, maybe it's Walker's. Is it called Walker's walkers? Yeah, it's Walker's walkers. I was at Walker's last time with Cooper. He does the pause because he says the first name. But then remember is that you probably don't know who it is. So it's like I was doing rewatchables with Chris Ryan. Right. It's like Tommy Alter in Perstation. - It ends on his way, stiller, stiller. - We're gonna run in a Jalen Brunson later. - Later, yeah. - And the last one, 1980-40. - Yeah. - NBA in this movie are the bad guys. - That's come back around. - Yeah, I guess, actually, I guess. What's take one more break and then we'll do what's the best? - Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting. It's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Delta Miss technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. - Maybe it's Mabelie. - All right, let's say it's the best. We mentioned Don't Cross the Streams, which is 42 years and counting. - Phenomenal New York City movie. - We did New York City Month last year and we didn't do Ghostbusters 'cause I wanted to do it this year for some reason. But I just love how they use every aspect of the city. - Yeah. - And even like that high shot when you can look down at Central Park and you see all the trees and just like, it's just great. I love the, even seeing people like Joe Franklin in there and I just-- - When a state puff was walking around and all the cabs and shit are getting into car accidents, I think that's Columbia Circle. But I'm just like, this is great. How the fuck did they do this? - Sunny every day. There's never any every day. - It's just a happy sunny movie. There's no weather, but like the, even in Ghostbusters 2, like New York, how can I say this? Like the ethos of New York is a character in the movie. It seems like a story that can only take place in New York. What do you have for what saves the best? - You know, I actually, this is what says the best is kind of funny 'cause sometimes I'm just like, these lines, but this is a couple of these. The logo, the firehouse, the ectomobile, the marshmallow man. These are 40 plus years. Like if you see that, you're like Ghostbusters instantly. Like, and they are indelible pop culture symbols still, and the uniforms. So still kids are still doing this for Halloween. It got brought back during Stranger Things, I think. It's just like a couple of really, really, really durable pop culture icons from this movie. - The proton packs have because they are so signature to the Ghostbusters, proton packs. Also, the brands in this movie, they got cheese it, Coca-Cola, parier. All of this shit is still around. He's eating cheeses. She's got parier in there, Coca-Cola. I mean, obviously Coca-Cola could be around for cheese. - The cheeses, baby one, cheeses. - There may be one cheeses. You guys guys drinking canned Budweiser, maybe won't. - Yeah. - All of the stuff that they've not owned. - She think I was paid or not. I don't know, that's what I was trying to think. They didn't really, that was a big deal, obviously, in the '80s, it still is. But they didn't win by the end of the '80s. - 'Cause by the end of the '80s, they were doing it. - All the time. - Yeah. - I also had a nice element to this movie. It's like, got very little backstory. Don't really, you don't know where Venkman comes from. You don't really, like none of their past, kind of like childhood trauma or anything like that. But their financial peril is like, very cute. In the first half of this movie, when Accord takes out the loan and Bill Murray goes, "You're not gonna lose the house. "Everybody has three rewards." - That's the reason he says. He's like, yeah, but at 19%, at 19%. - 19% with the guy. - That's another thing that says the best. High interest rates. 19%, that would have been good for the 1984 section. I forgot to put that in. Yes, it's true, the man has no deck. It's still fucking funny, this year's later. It's like one of the, what's our line delivery one, the Jesse Isabelle? - Yeah. - That's it in the running for best line delivery. - I mean, that's like the entire report, too. - Yeah. The original SNL generation popping in movies with each other, which is basically Blue's Brothers, Kattishack, Trading Paces, Ghostbusters, Spies Like Us. We're probably the big ones. - What did that stop? I was just having a conversation at Sikamore about cone hits and about all of the movies that were made, some of the bad ones. 'Cause there are some bad ones, right? And there are some ones that are underrated. - A lot of drugs back then. - But when did the era of SNL people. - I mean, in Sailor's World, it hasn't ended. - Well, yeah. - I guess so. - So is the next one to do it. And then Aputao, who learned from boat generations, blew it out and just was like. - But they're not SNL. - That's what Craig grew up with. - No, but it's the Aputao generation of, these are my extended crew. We're all gonna be in movies with each other. - Yeah. - It's like late '90s early odds with like awesome powers and that happened a long time. - I think it was up to Bridesmaid. - Yeah. - I was saying what SNL would be. - Oh, I guess Bridesmaid's SNL, yeah. - Speaking of Aputao, this movie's pretty legendary for all the improv and all the ad-libbing and stuff. - So this is another thing that I saw a lot of debate about how much is written versus how much is improv. So go ahead. - Yeah. Well, I think it did influence comedies. 'Cause I think everything was pretty rigid with "There's the Script", "Say Your Lines", "Here's the Written Jokes". And Caddyshack, they ad-libbed the lot, but it was mostly 'cause they didn't have a script. But I think in this one, he was encouraging, right, but it was encouraging the people to explore the studio space with different scenes. And then, I think in the 2000s, that really took off. - Well, it's also these guys' idea. - Yeah. - So being their idea, yeah, they're writers. - And they know what that movie is. - Yeah, they know what the movie is. - There was like a quote, "Achroid" had some quote where he was like, "The script is mostly structure and exposition and a lot of the dialogue is like, Murray Cooking, then the shooting script is all the lines." But I guess there are like a lot of alts where Murray's throwing out like three or four different options. So it's kind of, what do you believe? - 55 Central Park West. I think Wednesday, Amanda Dobbins were for best piece of real estate. Just a great looking building. The real Ghostbusters cartoon I have as an age the best, that was like a real thing there for four years. It was a big deal. - And I honestly kept the whole thing in the consciousness between the movie. - To make the sequel happen, whether you like the sequel. - And this was the Ghostbusters thing is the first time as a child that I ever experienced confusion in the marketplace. Confusion in the marketplace is something that I would go on to experience in my adult life. Which thing is the real thing? There was another Ghostbusters cartoon and this Ghostbusters cartoon. - Oh, that's right. - Going through time with a fucking guerrilla or some shit like that. And so the reason why the real one is called the real Ghostbusters is because it was like, hey, these are the Ghostbusters that you know. But I watched the other Ghostbusters for like four shows. - And it was different dudes, right? - It was different dudes like waiting for them to become the Ghostbusters from the movie. - Right. - And then the real Ghostbusters comes out and it's completely different. It's the first time I realized that it's cute. - I had the green slimer as a wastage the best because Akrod and Rames really wanted the green slimer to be like Balushi. So they were really pushing the guy to be like, can you make this Balushi-esque? - Yeah. - And make them like a party animal, Slubby. And they spent a lot of money on it. And it's like really important Akrod. It's like they feel like that's how they got Balushi in the movie with this green slimer. - That's really cool. - Yeah. - I think Slime period has aged really well. - Yeah. - 80s and 90s big slimer. - Nickelodeon took it over. - Nickelodeon, yeah, it's a good point. - At the promo stuff, this is what I forgot to mention at the top. They had a theatrical trailer with the toll free telephone number and a message with Murray and Akrod and everyone called it. And it was for some reason worked really well with the marketing. You mentioned the Buster's thing. So the Ghost Busters phenomenon, you had budget busters, crop busters, nuke busters, litter busters, price busters with Pan American Airlines. So Busters just took off. And eventually became Mythbusters and stuff we had now. The No Ghost logo was modified to protest Ronald Reagan, Walter Mondale, Mickey Mouse, Union staff, that kept going. And then Murray, when he says this chick is toast, they think it's the first time somebody ever said toast as like a slang term and then it took off. - No shit. - Oh, holy, wow. - They don't think it existed before this. - Interesting. - Yeah. - Great shot, Gordon Award, most cinematic shot. - I don't have a specific shot, but this movie shot by Lazlo Kovacs, Kovacs who's like a Hungarian cinematographer, did stuff for Bogdanovich. And then winds up shooting a bunch of stuff in the '80s, a lot of New York that makes that basically that, that '80s New York vibe of movies that moves on from like the super gritty to the more like, hey, yeah, people can live here now and it's Wall Street. And like people have advertising executive jobs and that look is very distinctive. And he did like legal eagles and he did Ghostbusters obviously and say anything. So he's shot mask, he's just like a really good cinematographer but all of the New York stuff that he shoots, the crowd scenes and stuff are just great. - I have a great shot, Gordo, since you didn't have one. When they're going up the stairs at the end. - Oh yeah. - And they have that one shot where it just seems like it's 100 floors of stairs above them. - When we get to 20 let me know, I'm gonna puke hard. - Yeah, it's just really, it's a really cool shot. - Yeah. - Chestwap World Brockliners Award for Best Character Name. - Is it Dr. Peter Venkpen? - No. - What is it? - What is it? - Ghosts are the gozerian. - Oh, Ghosts are the gozerian. - Denon Thes Benihana Award, would you go Dana's apartment in the library or something else? - I had the firehouse. - Okay. - Firehouse is fantastic. Do you know what I like that we don't see on film that much? Tavern on the green. When they're outside and he's running through best and trading places, like I just love the way the outside looks, it's always like all these people that are eating in there and not noticing What's happening now? I think they did that a couple of times, I love that. - I stuck a category and I didn't tell you. What is it? It's gonna get acrimonious. The Rose from Titanic Award for character who sneaky sucks. Egon. Hair and Rames made a choice to never smile as Egon in this entire movie. 'Cause he didn't think he'd done it. - You didn't like the character to be super serious. - Molds and fungus and spores. He's fine. - I think him and him. - And you said there are the Beatles that's like, he's fine. - Yeah, well, you need a Ringo. He's fine. What's your problem? He's fine. But like what he's, he's the brain of the average George. - First of all, crack a smile. Maybe get two jokes in there or something. - He delivers funny ones. - And Stripes, he's really good. - When he's like Ray, the interest rate alone after five years is 95,000. That's funny. - Craig. - I'm closer to that. He serves the right purpose. He's a role player. - Okay. - He's just setting picks. - He's fine. - What do you have for flex category? (laughing) - The Dwarflers door award for how much of that hurt is when Vickman gets slimmed. - Oh. - Recover's really quickly for having a physical contact with like a ghost. - And is it like, what do you think it's like? - Yeah, exactly. - Super thick. - What's going on? - Oh, Jesus Christ. - So yeah, I had. (laughing) - Bill, Bill caught himself. Bill was like, isn't it, Vick? - Well, I just had to remember who I was sitting next to. - It's very true. - I just, and then I was gonna try and do a book about medals for this movie and it's the whole movie. - Right. - What do you got slimed? Did it paralyze him? - That's what I'm asking. - Yeah. - It seems like he was like, I can't move. It seems like the slime took over him. - The Sean Penn, I brought my own pack of word for excellence in on-screen smoking. - Pack right. - Acroids dangling cigarette thing that he pulls off where I don't know how he kept it in his mouth and apparently no adhesives or anything, and he just knew how to do it. There's a 59 second smoking super cup from this movie that I sent you guys. - I watched it. Could've been longer. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Week Link of the Film. - Well, this was tough. - Come on, Vam, this was tough. I really could not think of a week link and I'm not gonna give it to Ernie Hudson on this goddamn podcast. I really thought about this. I wanted to push myself to think about a week link on the movie and I could not think of one. - Every character that speaks sort of-- - Are you saying this 'cause you're like, you don't want LeBron to talk bad about Memphis, like you don't wanna talk bad about Ernie Hudson? - If you were gonna give a week link, that would be the sore thumb, right? - And I'm not, but even he is not a week link. I think he-- - Well, don't do a drive-by in any parts, just because you don't want to speak about Ernie Hudson. - It's not any parts though. To me, it's not any parts. Any parts is an important character too. I don't think, I don't really don't think the movie has a week link. I'm being brutal. - I agree with him. And I don't have any-- - It comes with what the fuck. - Here we go. - I think it's Winston. See? - Yeah. - Let's do it. - It looks your podcast. - He goes, go ahead and do it. - It's Ernie Hudson aside. It's not an Ernie Hudson thing today. - You can't do that. - You fucking-- - It's not an Ernie Hudson thing. - Yeah. - I just don't really understand why he shows up half way through the movie and I think the whole thing-- - It's too much work for three Ghostbusters. - Yeah, everything cracks it. - But he just shows up-- - Should I just need, would they need 10 more? - Well, that's what-- - And I get it, you promise me more often? - I get in theory, they're like, he's gonna be the every man. But I don't feel like they really nailed the character. It's just, all of a sudden he's just kind of there and he never really has this moment. Well, guess what? - I understood him. - I got exactly what he was putting down. He's the one that talks about believing in God. Like, do you believe in God? - Yes. - He deepens the Ghostbusters. - I love Jesus' style. - I don't think they had a scene with him that explains why I'm supposed to have a connection with him. I would compare it to in the NBA season during the trade deadline. When it's like, we need a shooter. It's like, we've got Keraslavert. - Yeah. - Keraslavert now is on the pistons. It's like, that's a great idea. Keraslavert, and then you never figure out how to use Keraslavert. This is their trade deadline middle of the movie pickup. But I don't think they totally figured out how to incorporate him. And I think he feels the two, which is why he seems to have a complicated relationship. I think his character is probably the person hurt most by its Craig Hall back number of running time where it's like, there's just not enough time. The obvious point is there's a moment in the mayor's office when he's like, "Your honor, I want to speak for myself." And you can see Vankman peel off and be like, "Oh my God, here we go, he's gonna be crazy." - I just had more questions and answers with, like, does he like the other Ghostbusters? - Well, he's therefore a job. - Yeah. - But does he like these guys? 'Cause he believes in what they're doing. - This is not worth another five grand a year. - Right, I think they needed that character because the movie got increasingly fantastical as it went along. - And it's overnight success. They do one job at the hotel and then they're at fucking studio 54 the next night. - And it's cool to have a little bit of the like, hey, I need a job and I'll just do whatever you guys say if the money is right. - And it's, so you would say this was perfectly executed 'cause I would disagree. I wouldn't say that it was perfectly executed. I wouldn't say that it's not pronounced enough to warrant criticism. I understand why they did it. I think it probably made sense in the room. I don't think they executed well enough in the movie. - There you go. - He needed like either one more scene where I'm like, oh man, he really needs this job. I didn't realize he had this hardship in his life or oh, his wife just died or something where I'm like, "Oh, now I'm attached to this guy." - He was like, "Kill the man's wife." - Why don't you just make him put him in the movie? - He's happy we given enough. - Do you want to kill the man's wife? - There in the, in the prison scene, he seems like angry, like he seems like he's mad at the guys. I'm like, don't be mad at my guys. - Yeah, I don't like what you do. - Why would you think that that guy in that situation would be mad because he met these guys that ended up in jail? (laughing) Like what do you think? - What do you think? - It's almost better if he leaves and he's like, you guys are fucking crazy, I don't know. - He's also the one who's like, you can't just go to the mayor and be like, it's biblical end of time. - Right, yeah. - So he's the one that's sort of tempering the movie because the movie becomes a full on science fiction fantasy in the third act. - Yeah, in the last 10, 20 minutes, it's like that. - This was fun, no. - What are you gonna do? - I can't wait to hear your hottest take. Jesus Christ. - Yeah, that's your weak link. - Christ, me one less job in the town. That's what Bill said. - I'm glad he's in the movie. - I just thought there's like a scene missing. - Yeah. - My weak link is, is Walter Peck. And it's not because I don't think William Atherton is basically the prick of the eighties and is an iconic asshole in these movies. - I wanna say that. - But I think he could have used either a little bit more juice, like a slightly more earlier appearance. Like maybe he just like his whole thing is like two scenes and it's like everything that happens could have happened by accident without the EPA throwing off the detainment. - Yeah, it's a good point. - What sage the worst? Ghostbusters too, just a money grab. - Yeah. - I think that-- - None of us feel great about it. - The handling of the franchise in general has probably been a little-- - Yeah, I have three more sequels. Also shameless money grabs. - Yeah. - Across the board and the all female Ghostbusters is one of the worst movies in the 2010s. It's really bad. It's just bad. It's a bad movie. - Well, I'll tell you what I thought I thought it was very an important movie. I thought it was a movie that had to be made. I thought it was a movie for its time. I wanted to see a film where you running for mayor? (laughing) - I'm fucking with you. It sucked. But like-- (laughing) - I'm fucking was terrible. - And I remember trying-- - This is awful. - I remember trying to woke myself into loving it. Like I'm sitting down-- - There were really good people in there. - Hey, hey, hey. - The movie everybody is dead ass nice at what they do. The writer, the director, all of them together. It just didn't fucking work. - Did you watch either of the Jason Wright movie's? - After a female Ghostbusters that was out. - Okay. - Yeah, I was like, you know what? I feel the same way about a lot of the stuff. - Those movies, if I remember correctly, the thing is weird about them is like they are not without some charms. Like Carrie Coons is really good at it. But like you're just kind of like, why is this a Ghostbusters movie? It's awful on like-- - It's not like it's too much talent on screen for these to be like totally wet, but the fucking shit didn't work. And the Ghostbusters that they made, the subsequent ones, the first one I actually kind of enjoyed. I actually thought it was pretty cool. - What the sequel? - The first sequel that they made. - Yeah, it was all like the Goo Underneath the City and stuff. - I actually enjoyed that. - Okay. - I had fun with Sage the Worst. Really tough movie for cable for about 15 years 'cause of the pain and scan. - Oh. - Because, and you can see it now on the YTVs. This was filmed like a wide movie. And on the pain and scan, you just miss a lot of stuff and everything feels really tight. This is how they did it with the square TVs. And it just was always like not the best watch. And now it's a great watch again because the TVs go wider. But I thought it suffered for a few years. - There's like a couple of visual gags here that I like, I only noticed like this time around where when Dana first comes in to the firehouse and she goes up to Annie Potts and then Marie just like pops up and the back of the frame and runs over the half wall. It's great. - We mentioned the I Want A New Drug Controversy. And then the only other one is William Atherton claims he became reviled after the movie. - Well, I mean, then he was such a bad guy and that people would be like, "Hey, Dequist!" And just like we're really mad at him for a few years. And then he's like, "Fuck it, doubles down and does die hard." I have to say this, I know, you know, people think that I have no taste in movies. I love Ghostbusters 2. Love it. Didn't you just start with, I thought it was okay and now you've gotten to I love it in just like five seconds? I don't think that I, if I was saying I thought it was okay, then like I love Ghostbusters 2. Okay. It's hard for me to look at the movie as bad, I got my nostalgic glasses on. The one thing that age poorly in this movie is some of the establishing shots look boarded. They look like. Oh yeah. I, that is always a thing that stamps a movie in the time like some of the establishing shots in a movie, they look sort of animated and rendered in a way. I think there's a bunch of stuff at the end of the movie that's basically matte paintings and stuff like that. Yeah. And they use those as established shots in like the, like that stuff never age as well to me when they do stuff like that. You didn't have anything else. I just Peter Venkman using his position as a professor to extract sexual favors out of students and, and clients. I just had that as part of the job. By the way, there's a question, when Venkman is in there with the girl, with the psychic, with the psychic girl, right, with hilarious scene, way you lines the whole night. When he tells Ray to come back, right, in an hour and a half, does Venkman think that he's about to fuck? Yes. And to like, well, if that's the case, that age storm, the terribly, and by the way, an hour and an hour and a half, I told you nine minutes. That's the floor. Roughly a hand of Ruben and Perchurch overacting word. The person playing Gozer. Who was that? That's a good question. They said they wanted Grace Jones and she turned it down. Yeah, I think it was person you get when you can't even name someone look exactly like Grace Jones in terms of the aesthetic. Oh, Ven, you have a flex category. Flex category. Another list. Slot via Yovon. Okay. Is there, I mean, there's no picture of it. All right. Fans flex categories. Got a list. Top five dick actors of the 80s. You see these guys? You know that they're playing. Oh, okay. Oh, that's like actual dicks, like they're not actually dicks in real life. 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Yes, it is. That's a bad ruse classic. Would she do it with us? No. Okay. But she's asked repeatedly when we're doing it. Okay. She thinks it's the height of cinema. That in Annie Hall. She wants us to do that one, too. That was great. She can't believe we haven't done a Woody Allen movie yet. Bill's mom wants. Bill's mom. Bill's mom. Can we get that sponsor? Who would sponsor that? Hallmark. Hallmark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What have I got sponsor? Josh Wein's friend. I can see you. So, afterton number one. I got afterton number one. I feel like real genius put him over the top. Because when I was thinking about it. Oh, think about this. Yeah. When I have to did have the trilogy. Exactly. There's also like a definitional thing. Because you're going with like dramas and comedies here. And I wonder whether or not in the Schwarzenegger. 80s action universe. The grubber Patrick. Yeah. There's some dick in there. I thought about Jean Hackman, who also tended in this thing. The only one who feels like he's missing is Bert Young because he played Polly, the worst character. But I get to make a distinction between dicks and villains. Yeah. Not villains, but dick. Because the guy is pretty cherry in another 48 hours. He's the bad guy in toy soldiers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But that's more of a dangerous day. Yeah. That's more of a yeah. And Robert Dovey is a big one for the ladies. Yeah. Robert Dovey was huge. The goonies and foresight could be in there, too. Oh, yeah. I think you land in the right spot. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? I'll go last because I think you guys are going to get up and leave. I think that Ghostbusters is the best movie to ever come out of Saturday and alive. Ooh. And I will include not only movies based on sketches, which is how we probably usually think of SNL movies. But let's go Elf. Let's go Bridesmaids. Let's go Winsworld. Tommy Boy. Like, I'll include a bunch now when you Austin Powers, but when you get to, you know, is in glorious bastards is starting a live movie because my Myers isn't it? No. It has to have like at least a couple of people from SNL and have like an SNL sensibility. And it has to be like relatively close enough to when they're on the show. Yeah. Yeah. It can't be like 28 years later. But I think this is the best movie to come out of Saturday and alive. And it's clear the question is what's to actually because like, when I think about all the movies that we could compare it to, there's a huge huge gap. I mean, Winsworld and the rest of those movies are like phenomenons, but there's a huge gap trading places count. I think so. And I think there's a world in which Anchorman counts. I mean, that would be that would be the competition. But I would say it's clearly the most successful of any SNL movie ever. Anchorman, even if you were to count Anchorman, it's just like in no way shape or form. It was almost like a slow burn Anchorman. Yeah. That's pretty good. What are we leaving? What are we leaving? Oh, I feel no. I mean, there's a bunch of the feral movies have to be mentioned. Yeah. I mean, step brothers in Talladega, but a lot of those movies are like happy Gilmore has to be in there. Yeah. Eddie Murphy movies. Yeah. All the Eddie movies. It's just Eddie in those movies. Is that like they come from like a creative nexus of right? You need that at least to. Yeah. I think it's also lasted the test of time better than any SNL movie. It's better than Bruce Brothers. Yeah. Bruce Brothers is more culturally expired. Ghostbusters is still super popular. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Okay. In a house. It's really only pollution that so that doesn't go. What's your how to take? Um. What right? Do the Ghostbusters have to put Ghost in jail? I never thought of other Ghostbusters. I never thought of other Ghostbusters, the fucking police. I think to myself, like, guess it's my Uncle Mark recent piece, right? Let's say that my Uncle Mark who spent a lot of time and go to stay penitentiary passed away. Once I come back and visit me, what right do the Ghostbusters have? This is to incarcerate first of all. Ghost. It's like a immigration. Ghost in jail. If ghosts were, if this was happening in 2026, we now know how you would be tweeting about Ghostbusters. I would have to ask the question. The reality. I never thought about this before in my life because I think my brain was regular before. Now it's warped. But like, I thought about it. You get to go and a police action against a ghost. Tie the ghost up. The woman that was in the library. That was clearly her job. She was shushing people. She used to work there. That was always slumber doing. Yeah, what's like, I'm just saying, like, he's hanging around. If the ghosts are acting unruly, that's one thing. You talk to the ghosts. Give the ghost therapy. Whatever you do. Well, this is where the EPA comes in. But what I'm saying, the EPA, if I'm a, who, what gives them the right to build a private prison? We haven't really vetted what these guys are doing. It's a private transaction between the person who calls the Ghostbusters and the Ghostbusters. Because the Ghostbusters are like, when he's like, I'm not going to pay for this. They're like, well, we'll just let the ghost back out. Right. So the Ghostbusters run a nuclear power private prison for ghosts. And I don't know. Like, was that a good use of city resources? I don't think that's right. Yeah. Well, you know my theory with ghosts. What? You got to just talk to them and get to a good place with them. You don't, you don't become adversarial with the ghosts. All that's going to do is make a lot of fun. So it's more about you would be like more of a social outreach kind of Ghostbusters. I would be like pro ghosts friendly ghosts. Like, how can we help you guys? Like, what do we do? Now, obviously, there are some ghosts, you know, ghosts possessing people on all stuff. You got to bring Constantine in and like, do all of that stuff. But like, for the most part, I don't know that they have the right to do what they was doing. And it kind of pissed me off this. time. I'm like, you're out of here. I have a second how to state real quick one. Dana's a fucking gold digger. What do you mean? Dana very clearly distanked when he first came to her apartment. Oh, that he wasn't in the stratosphere for her. Yeah. She very clearly. Do you think she's dating the guy who's stored naffron? She was dating him. Well, you know what changed? What changed is she saw Vigman on TV, became a small business owner. Maybe became a small business owner. He became a celebrity. And even when he comes up to it next time, when she sees him, she smiles because now he's famous. You know what? I respect it. Yeah. She's a classical violinist. She's tall and she's hot and she's not going to date some discount. She's just making her way through New York City 80s. She's got like guys who run restaurants coming after. Yeah. Hedge fun guys. Like she's kind of like, I am, he ends at the white and people Gordon Gickle is at the got done. At least like Bernard King made her run in her. Like she's she's got a lot of options. Boris Taylor is called. She's dated Bernard King, but then the injuries kind of took him out of him. The next word. And then she was out. Yeah. Does she go for Dennis Peck? Oh, yeah. Dennis Peck. So what's your, what's your how to state? Yeah, you guys are going to be happy. I think if Sigourney and Kathleen Turner switch movies in 1984, everyone wins. So what's the remansting the story? Sigourney does remansting the stone and jewel of the Nile. And Kathleen Turner does Ghostbusters 1 and 2. And this movie goes to another level. And when she's possessed, I think I think I'm dead. I think in 1984, that's it. I have like a testicle explosion. I'm just dead. But possessed Catholic. They're like, what happened here? He said he died. It's a weird story. He exploded. What, what, what is leading you to want to like improve Ghostbusters by five months? What are you doing? Yeah. The whole point of the hottest take award. Okay. This is a hot take. You forget. I just think you switch Kathleen Turner. I think Sigourney would have been amazing in remansting the stone. Sure. She would, she would, it would have really worked. It would have really worked. I don't know. I will. Kathleen Turner works. Weaver does, does War of the Roses. Like, does she take the Turner spot? She does. War of the roses. Yeah. I tell you what we just do some switch of ruse. Maybe Kathleen Turner's and Dave, you forget what type of time Kathleen Turner was. I didn't forget. That's why this is my hat's take. Damn. She was Kathleen Turner in the mid '80s is to me all time. Mar-a-long go superstar. Yeah. She just ooze sexuality in every moment of her life. Your testicle would explode. That's what you said. I said there would have been a testicular explosion. But why? Why? Why? But I do you feel like a part of this? Do you feel like she was maybe too smoldering for this movie? Yeah. She's too hot for Ghostbusters. But the thing is she was miscaster remains in the stone because she plays like this bouncy romance novelist who's like, it's unleashed by Michael Douglas, swashbuckle, and this adventure. And it's like, that's a better Sigourney Riverworld role. Kathleen Turner is like, I'm a hot classical violinist and now I'm possessed by Zool. Are you just looking at pictures of Kathleen Turner? Yes, I've read Vance Gone. Yeah, man. We have to take what we're breaking. I've never really. Yeah. Alright, casting what ifs. There's a ton including Chevy Chase claiming in 2018 that he turned down Venkman. Yeah. Again, all I have is the sniff test for these. So which one of these? That one didn't smell right to me. Let me ask you this. Do you, but do you believe Chevy Chase and Bill Murray have had a weird relationship for 50 years? There was a phone call. And he's like, yeah, I could have done Ghostbusters. There's also like in the half as internet research for this, there is just a real like, Bill Murray is not in your movie until he is in the first. Do we have backup? Yes. Was there a phone call? Possibly. I'm going to read you the what ifs that are listed on the internet for Venkman. Just give me the one that you think is the most interesting. Okay. Cool. Michael Keaton, Chevy Chase, Tom Hanks, Robin Williams. I don't believe that one. Steve Gutenberg No way and Richard Pryor. No. Okay. So I believe Keaton. I don't believe Hanks. Keaton was the one that I thought was the most interesting. I think he made a ton of sense and I think he would have been good in the movie. And I'm a I'm pro Michael Keaton has played versions of this role. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, he's wisecracking. He's basically this in gung ho. Yeah. Yeah, in gung ho. As you know, Billy Blaze Jasky. I think it's one of the funniest characters in the history of anything. I think he could have just been Billy Blaze Jasky. From that shift. From that shift. From that shift. From that shift. Yeah. The one that I was most interested in was the Egon rumors Christopher Walken, John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, Jeff Goldblum. Goldblum seems like he turned it. Goldblum turned it down. Did he? That's what that was in the research. But then you read the rightman story. And it's like, yeah, it's our three guys. Yeah, but it does seem like Ramesh eventually became Igor, but Egon. Yeah, Egon. Who's Igor? The guy in the nets. Igor Damon. He eventually became Igor Damon on the nets. Egon. I love that those are the two things you've got. You're brain. But I wonder if there was a moment when he didn't think he was going to be in it. Yeah. Goldblum I think is really good. Walken is really interesting. Walken's interesting. Goldblum could have done it. Does that mean walking shoes up too much scenery? But you wanted Eddie Murphy to play Winston. I know. Well, that's Eddie Murphy. Okay. What version of Walken would you want to? Would you want a deer hunter? It's Annie. It's basically Annie. Would you want roulette? Guys, when the deer hunter were watchables, will we do that? Have you seen deer hunter? No, never. Have we talked about it? Yeah. Talk about a movie that obliterates the hero back scale. I think it's for a lot of hours. Yeah. Yeah. But it moves quick though. Lots happening. Everything. Apparently, Darrell Hannah, Denise Crosby, Julie Roberts and Kelly LeBrock, all addition for Dana. Julia Roberts. She was too young. In 1984. I don't know if I believe that. LeBrock's interesting. John Candy offered Louis Tully turned it down. Wanted to do Louis with a German accent. They definitely went hard after John Candy and he just didn't get it. And then Sandra Bernhard turned down Janine. I think we wind up in the right place with everything. Right. And then Paul Rubens was allegedly going to be gozer for a second. I don't know if I believe that one. All of these. I just don't know if I believe that's that guy. So it's William Atherton of that guy. Or is he William Atherton? I think you can throw him in there. I think probably that guy. Yeah. See that guy to you. He's a that guy to me. Yeah. Okay. So he's the guy. You know, but he's that guy from that hard or that guy from Ghostbusters. Correct. I think it is that he plays the mayor. Oh, he's a really good that guy. Jennifer run in was a stealth. That guy. She was an up the creek. Charles and charge whole season. That key nano to an episode. And she played Cindy Brady in a very Brady Christmas. All in like five years. DM Waiters award. Moranus is in it too much. No, he's not even 3C. No, he's in the whole. I got him. I got him. I got him. I got him on. I got to talk to you for a second about Dion. Dion. Is it about a screen time limit? It's about what you do with your screen time. He's like the sixth lead in the movie. Uh, what? Come on. The movie guy is the characters. Help me out here. No, he's clearly right. He's in it for like 45 minutes. He meets her outside of her apartment. He has his party. Yeah. He gets chased. He has the whole thing outside of the apartment. He has the whole party scene. He has the whole thing. We didn't even talk about enough where he's just like. Do you want some coffee? Yes. Have some. Like it's and he's smelling the fucking landline. It's so funny. So is there any Hudson eligible? Yeah. But Ernie Hudson is not. He doesn't care. He doesn't fucking. He starts shit. Yeah. You want to double. All right. If you want to make Moranus eligible, that's fine. What do you think, Craig? Is he eligible? I just looked it up. He's in. This is according to AI 8 to 10 minutes of this movie. I can't be right. Eight to 10 minutes. No, it's more. He's in roughly eight to ten minutes. If you take the pro version, can you get an actual run time? The Claude or chat chat G.P.T. Would you have any pots? No, I think I'd have Moranus. I just want to make sure he's in that movie. I think she's lovely. Yeah, she's fine. She's good. She's good. I like it. I like to read her accent. It's crazy. Accent is crazy. Out of control. Hidden on Egon, all of that. She's good. I love her. Recasting couch director of city. The John Candy one really stuck in my head. Okay. He ends up doing splash. So he's represented in 1984 in a good way. But it's just a really interesting twist if he's that character. I don't know what's better because that thing Moranus is great. Yeah. Craig did his flex half-facinate research. Columbia had Frank Price who ended up becoming a great teammate of Michael Eisner's and then died tragically in a plane crash when he was the number two guy at Disney. He became the head of Universal after he bought the script and believed in the script so much. He sold Columbia the title for 500,000 plus 1% of the film profits. There you go. Moranus on a French fucking Frank Price. Smart dude. Richard Edlin did all the special effects. Used part of the budget to found boss film studios because there were no special effect studios back then. and they advanced $5 million and started the whole thing. The marshmallow man outfit designed by Bill Bryan, who modeled his walk after a Godzilla, 18 foam suits cost almost $600,000. And he had to have a separate air supply because the whole thing was so toxic. Marshmallow was raining down the crowd with shaving cream. Gave a lot of people a rashes. - But you know what? I was thinking like-- - I think it was great. - That would be so dope if it was actually marshmallows when you were just like an extra in the set of ghost blusters. - Mickey Marshmallow, you're hair for five years. The original library ghost puppet was too scary and had to be given in the Fright Night movie. - Oh! - Oh, it's interesting. - Hi Fright Night. - You mentioned the Bill Moore. - There is a deleted scene where Ray as a sexual encounter with a female ghost, they decided to cut. - Mm-hmm. - Sorry man. - Wait a minute. - Ray does have a-- - Then he does have a sexual encounter. - He gets a BJ from a-- - Not a BJ with it. - Like he gets his-- - He's a different-- - He's zipper to the left. - But I think there's like-- - Oh, that's what he goes for the running gag. - The gag goes further. - Oh, okay. - And then the rooftop, the final confrontation was at a sound stage that required 50,000 amps of electricity to properly light it in Columbia. I had to shut down all of their other stages. Well, they did this 'cause it was so much electricity. - Jesus. - I run it. Like almost a parallel to the movie. Apex Mountain. - Oh, I had one more piece of internet research from the Vanity Fair, kind of not an oral history, but it's like a making of Ghostbusters piece. When they're basically waiting to find out what their Murray's gonna do this movie. And they're not sure until like the day of the movie. So Murray flies back to New York after the razor's edge shoot. This is from Vanity Fair. Ray Mason rightman picked him up at LaGuardia Airport to show him the rework script. Quote, "Bill flew in on a private plane "an hour late Ray Mason in the 1985 interview. "He came through the terminal with a stadium horn, "one of those bull horns that plays "80 different fight songs. "And he was addressing everyone in sight with this thing. "They had to drag him out "and take him to a restaurant in Queens "where they showed him the script "and he had no input and just said, "I trust you guys." He does the movie. - That would have been good for the Steven Sagao category. Apex Mountain Murray, I think, yes. - Okay. - Yeah. - Could make a argument for Groundhog today, but yeah. - Acroid. - I think Groundhog Day is a good-- - No, he's after this. It's like, I mean, he didn't work for four years 'cause this movie was so huge. - Groundhog Day becomes like this like, I get gigantic, huge regret. - Probably trading places. - Well, he wrote this though and he basically like kind of is the custodian of the Ghostbusters franchise. So I think that in some ways this is, it's his impact. - I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Groundhog Day, to me is for Bill Murray. - For Bill Murray, but yeah. - Sigourney Weaver? - No, no. - I don't know. - Aliens. - Aliens. - Yes. - Rames? - Uh. - Yes. - I guess probably doing being a director. - It would be this or Groundhog Day. - Probably Groundhog Day. - Yeah, probably Groundhog Day. - Stay pup marshmallows? - Yes. - Yes. - Real brand? - Is it? - Yeah. - Is it? - I thought it was. - Didn't look up. - Ghost movies? - I have that as, to me, I think it is. - These are ghosts. - These are ghosts. - This is the debate that I'm here for. Is it ghost or ghost busters? For the number one ghost movie of all time? - For me it is, it's busting. - Did you do ghost or that's when we did that in rewatch? - Well, it's not. - That was you mean Amanda? Where you said that this is your idea of the afterlife? - Yeah, I thought that was, I thought what happens in ghost is what happens in hell. - Is it just like at the ends when they bring Willy Lopez, they pull him down the shadows, come out and pull him down and then the ground, that's what happens. - Oh wow. - Okay. - I think they really figured it out. - In the real, in my day, you're like, what happened when you look at your dead self and then the fucking shadows come out and pull you down? - Yeah, it was very sad to see. Which one is it? - I think it's ghost busters. - Ghost busters or ghost? I think it's ghost busters. - I would have put Poltergeist in the running too. - Poltergeist is cool, but Poltergeist is cool. I think it's ghost busters, but it is like, it's razor thin to me. Ghost is like such a thing. - Some other people might be like, it's paranormal activity or it's it's, it's conjuring or something like that. - Paranormal activity is really good. I like that movie. - New York City movies? - No. - No. - Ernie Hudson? - He asks. - What else was he, this is biggest thing. - Well, he plays the special needs gardener and hand that rocks the cradle. - Yeah. - He was in us for a couple of years. - Oh, he plays the warden. - That's right. - He's good in us. - I like Ernie Hudson. - Yeah, don't try to. - Stay on that side. - I like it, I don't think that part was Ernie Hudson's fault. Ernie is the man, but this is probably what he's best known for. - I think so. He's one of the ghost busters. - Is he in the sequel? - Yes. - Does he have a larger role? - Basically the same, a little bit larger. - Rick Moranis? - No. - No. - Right? - It's honey I think the kids. - New York City library scenes? - It might be. - Yeah, I think your New York City public library probably. - The Sedra Cotel. Never heard of that before this movie. Anything else? Turn it into dogs? - Oh yeah. - Could it be? Think about other, I mean, turn it into dogs. I mean, there's twilight when you turn it to a wolf. There's other stuff. - Yeah. - I was gonna say this isn't, it's hard to articulate what exactly is the apex mountain, but one of the things that bummed me out about modern architecture is you're never gonna get a story like the architect who built in like a special metal to make it a superconductor of paranormal stuff. Like it's, I got five condos above a traitor Joe's. Like nothing's gonna happen there. - Yeah. - It's a good point. - Ghost combat. - Last one, is this the apex of ghost combat? I'm asking 'cause there's actually ghosts. Ghost fighting with ghosts. Tussling with the ghosts. - I would say ice-caven ghosts of Mars. It's a pretty good ghost combat. - I think it is. Cruiser hanks. - I have hanks. - Hanks. - Scorsese or Spielberg? - It's a Disney stuff. - No, it's not. - Do you want to see Marty's version? - No, I think I'm not. - No, I think I'm not gonna. - Travis Bitts co-coming at the end. - It's the most famous film work. - You guys are so fucking boring with this one. (laughing) - The van lengthen award did this movie need more black people? - Nah. - Yeah. - Picking nets. Is Dana's apartment too nice? Feels like it is. - So, that feels like an apartment that, it's like Mimi Rogers's apartment and someone to watch over me. - 'Cause it's not like a single most coveted spot in New York. - Yeah. - And such a part, West has always been one of them great, you know, realistically. - Like if I could pick any apartment location, it might be that literal apartment. - I think she's got one bedroom. Like it's not like she's living in a penthouse apartment. - It is very nice. - I think she comes from money. 'Cause like, I think what she calls her mother. - That's right. - Yeah, that's what she's like. - That's what she calls her mother. - Yeah, that's what she calls her mother. - She never tell us or whatever, she probably, what's all the finest schools and the fucking sore bone, wherever you go, wherever you go to do down, or you go. But she's with Julia or wherever you go. - Julia, yeah. - And so, she went to all that and that's what she's doing. That's why she's stuck up. Goes bringing back down. - He's what I had for another-- - Killed Edge about Dana. - I didn't like that part, man. Like don't, don't front on me. When I come over there to help you with the ghost situation and then after I blow up, you want to be down. You don't front on me. - He's turkey based in your apartment and is like, when can we go get changed? - That's facts. I had next pickin' nits, why did Dana leg vankman? What turned it? - But we already talked about this. - We already know. - Yeah, probably they're lost up. - A little cash. - My only other one is, I just think hundreds of people would have been killed by falling debris or a dead thing. All the people that were in the bottom of looking up, they're all dead. Just things are falling down, hitting them. What do you have CR? - For picking nits? - Yeah. - I really like your point about like, what gave them the right? And would there be any oversight? For furthermore, like the New York City being in a paranormal pandemonium, I think would just be a much bigger deal. I know we see a brief moment of like the National Guard coming out, but I just don't think they would leave it up to these four guys who got kicked out of NYU or Columbia. - Yeah, this was a city that protested the premiere of the Warriors. (laughing) They would have the paranormal activity would have been tough. Why are the Ghostbusters allowed to have a blueprint in jail? - Oh, yeah, dude. - Why do they have, they're in jail. They're looking at a blue print. - That was a movie jail though, where it's like a big, it's almost like a big recess. - They take your stuff and they put it in the thing, but they're letting it move in. - I think it's like a whole new cell. - Okay, holding cell, whatever. They have other motherfuckers in there. - I don't even know what those views are gotten processed. - Why are they allowed to have a blueprint in there? To like look at a blueprint and stuff in there. - It's a good one. - Sequel prequel prestige to be all by cast untouchable. Sadly, we got sequels. This should have been an untouchable. - Sure. - We should have been done. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Ryan Rukko, Cass Johnson, Zayn Lowe? What do you got here? - I got Zayn when Goser shows up. - He's just like Zayn, Goser. Goser the Goserian. It's great to see you, man. Or woman because you take many forms, just like your music. Your music is undefinable and so are you. But I have to say, good evening. And as a duly designated representative of the city, county, and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity. And return forth with, do you place the origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension? And we'll be listening. - Zayn was wordy. - Yeah. - Yeah, Zayn was. in this time. I want to introduce Shaquille O'Neill as the inside the NBA analyst, analyzing the Ghostbusters movie and just saying, I thought the best person movie was "Ghosts are the Grazeria" and then everybody kind of goes, "Okay, cool, then they go to commercial." Um, Onus, just want to ask her who gets it, the song, "Bill Murray." "Vankman." "Vankman for a best actor." Yeah, "Vankman." "The song that ripped off Huey Lewis gets best Oscar." Well, they didn't know at the time. "The Vankman." "I got a Vankman." So you've "Bill Murray" winning the Oscar? Well, who won in 1984 was that year? I'm gonna look it up. I didn't. It's going to be like "Racy Bulls are not, not in my nose." "Gondi?" "84, let's kind of guess. "Gondi?" No. "Cheers of fire." I just called to say I love you from "Woman in Red." Oh, that one, the Oscar, yeah, let's see if you want it. "F Murray, Abraham, and Amadeus." It's fine. "Jepridge is in Starman. Albert Finney under the volcano. Tom Holtz." And Amadeus. Honestly, I'd say "Am Waterston the Killing's Fields" was really good. He's really good. I'm just saying I'm not as far off as you think. I like it, CR. I respect it. Yeah, I think there could have been room for Albert Finney under the volcano. I don't know what the fuck was going on there. Yeah, out of that call. Thanks, bud. Probably an answer for questions. We just have to play out. Is this movie better or worse with Belushi and then Bo Murray? And the answer is it's worse. Yeah. I love Belushi. That was one of my guys. I do think he needed this and the Belushi IMDB if he hadn't lost his mind and thought of a drug overdose. This was the kind of movie that I think would have been great for him. He just didn't have it. He didn't have a leading man trying to be like dashing and just nothing like this. He was probably where Bill Murray was writing it for him. He died on his car. I mean, he was still on his car when he passed away. Yeah, yeah. I think this would have been a huge one for him. Sam, similar would you rather would be would you rather of this movie come out five years later, six years later, slightly better special effects? Now, because I really feel like 84 was the quintessential year for this to come out. Yeah, I think it's like perfect timing of it. The Floyd Gandali butter in my ass and Lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. The key master. It's the great nickname. What are we doing? How is KD not the key master? Oh, KD to key master. Yeah. Well, they got it. If you do a key master, you have to also have the gatekeeper. So it's like maybe that. So Jason Tatum could have been the key master and Jaylen Brown could have been the gatekeeper, the gatekeeper and the key master. Yeah. Well, do you have to have people that like each other? And you have to have people who know Ghostbusters. So you can't have those. Maybe like, yeah, that could be Steph Castle and Victor Wemenjava. Yeah, you have to have teammates that like he would have been the key master. When he's the gatekeeper, he's he's he's closing the door at the back of the back of the play. Key master is really good. Yeah, I think really feel like we missed that. My Floyd is Bill Murray working a crowd. So when they first get out of Ecto, when they get up to Dana's apartment at the end, and he's just like, you know, you love him. It's Ray Stance, just like this guy has the city in the palm of his head. This is crazy. Mine is the fire place poles that you slide down. Oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. Good one. I'll get that. I can put that way up there. Well, I love that joint. Remember the old Batman show? Yeah, when they would start off as my guy and the slide down. What are we doing? Do any of these hype houses have fucking fire poles? I haven't seen any. You know, it happened. The poles turned into strippers for strippers. Yeah. So he's also like somebody who's not thinking about them being conventional, going from up here to down here and just thinking about woman dancing on the woman dance. I've seen some amazing things. The secret handshake club memorial memorabilia you'd want from this movie. For me, it's one of the proton packs. There's got to be four total. And we can't do Ecto, Ecto one, the car, right? No, but that car is pretty great. It's also great when he's like when he pulls up and Mary's like, you can't park that here. And the look, the look on Mary's face when he tells him how much he paid for the car. Yeah, they, they're in on him and he just like gives that look as like 4800 bucks. He needs new shocks, new bricks, new brick pads. Yeah, how much? How much? 4800 dollars in a look that he gives. That car is still out there. Yeah, they have it out there when you go see it. I always want to want an proton pack. I would do Ghostbusters jumpsuit. Yeah. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, we're best worse life lesson. Ghosts are fucking real. That's my lesson. Don't underestimate them, Van. I'm not, you know, I believe in it. Best double feature choice? I have a big trouble in little China, which I probably have picked before, but has a similar comic sci-fi element to it. I have to lose brothers. Stay in this. It's a long fucking night because Blue's Brothers is a long movie. I had cop. Let's just go 84. Beverly Hills cop, Ghostbusters, No, the Jameswood, no. Beverly Hills cop, because cop would be amazing. Who won the movie? Murray. Peter Vinkman won the movie, my friend. Bill Murray. There's a right in case. Yeah, for sure. Looks, looks better than it's very well directed. This is a lot more than this. Meatball Stripes. He's now with this movie becomes not only the premier comedy director of that generation, but as a director and producer, it just becomes a fucking juggernaut. Goes right to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which is the kindergarten cop, and has this crazy run from what, 79 to 93, all the way through Dave, 15 years, and Ghostbusters is the NBA finals MVP for him. Because you think about it, not not slagging John Landis necessarily, but like if John Landis is directing this movie, there's like a 20-minute car crash scene in New York City, like you get like way more stay-puff marshmallow man than you need. There's like, there's just a lot more action. And Ryman just seems to know exactly why people will respond to this film. I had a bad joke. I would go Ryman, but you guys, who do you have for this? I would go Murray. Murray carries the hell out of this movie. Not that it's like, he's the only reason it's good, but he is. If somebody was like, why do you think Bill Murray's funny at Show and Ghostbusters? Yeah, and it also feels the most like he, like the lines were not written, and he was coming up with them, which I think you also have to give him credit for. That's kind of my takeaway, seeing this movie again, because it has been a really long time. It's crazy to me how movies like this that feel so like, I don't want to say unfinished, but movies that feel like to kind of make it it up as they go, where it's like, the script wasn't really finished. Bill Murray just showed up last second. There was something I was reading about Annie Potts, just like, showed up. The day she needed to shoot, they had like no costume for her. She took like the hairdresser's glasses and put them on and then just wore those for the whole movie. It's just, it's so haphazard the way these things are thrown together. And it's just, and now those glasses are kind of like. I can't, they're very good. Yeah, and it's just crazy how messy these movies were of this era and how they worked. And now that just wouldn't happen. And everything would be so finished and glossy and purposeful and safe and safe. And I think ultimately what's aides the best from this movie is just friends being in movies together. Which is just like, you don't really see. These are just friends in the movies. That's a good call. It is a good call. Let's make a movie. We should do it. What would our movie be about? The three, the four of us. Four of us. Trying to find a bar in San Francisco after a live show. That actually would be a really good start for the one crazy night movie. Having to walk six tenths of a block downhill and Mallory's dying and then something happens. No, we record a podcast in a house from a famous movie and then something happens in the house. The Boogie Night's House. Yeah, we're in the Boogie Night's House. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Or we're in the Halloween House recording a rewatchable. I think it's a one crazy night. Yeah, it's one crazy night. In San Francisco because San Francisco closes. It's one of the five nights of the year that you're like, we're drinking today. Yeah, you know what the name of the movie is? Dan's order and Pete says that we order a piece of the bar. The movie is called a cocktail that you were kept getting. I can't remember. Banana something. Banana something. Banana Rama. Banana Rama. Banana Rama. The name of the the name of the movie is live show. And it's about live show. That's because it's about doing a live show in a place. It's the big live show and everything goes wrong. Yeah. That's the name of the movie live show. Yeah, we learned that night when Vance says I shouldn't tell you this because I've had too much to drink. That's very horrible. It's like I fucking buckle up at that point. Peacekeeper, that was a good bar. Peacekeeper bar. Peacekeeper. It's a great bar. Great bar. Great time. When the only bars in San Francisco open past 938 night. Everywhere. I said that to a couple of people who stared at me like I was out of my mind. So obviously we were in the wrong. We're probably in the wrong part of town. But whatever they're talking about, they full of shit because we would go places they'd be like it's not 15. You get the fuck out. And then we went and got coffee. What was the name of that place? Coffee movement. Coffee movement. Coffee movement. We did it online for 10 minutes, which violates everything I believe in. It's close love. They're everything. And then they only had 10 ounce cups. So you got two. So I had to get two 10 ounce coffees. It's really funny. And guess what? It was fucking delicious. It was worth it. I would wait on that line again. I had a fun time. Man, I rode the trolley. We went to the game. This is because the best. It was amazing. When we go on back. Proud was great. Proud was great. The theater was great. Yeah. Great theater. Everything. He's making it up being great. Great time. Tony V making moves with the giant lineup. We were at that one place that was at the top of the hotel top of the top of the top of the mark. Yeah, top of the mark. Yeah, had drinks beautiful. We were starving kicked out no food. They looked at us like we were the fucking outsiders just walked in. Yeah, it's definitely a secret handshake club city and we didn't know the handshake for food and bars, but I still like San Francisco. Bansy are. Thank you Craig. How? Thank you. Thanks to Eduardo as well. Anybody else? Matt. Matt. Shout out. All right, next next month we're it's gonna be a comedy month. Netflix is a joke. We're doing a bunch of comedies. So stay tuned. Thanks guys. Imagine setting your makeup then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. 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