Getting The PERFECT Blend Of Value Picks and Massive Upside

[MUSIC] Drafting in the FFPC Prosverse Joe's contest. That's what we're doing today on stealing bananas. I've been Gretchen from the stealing signals newsletter at pancretch.substac.com with me as always is Sean Segal. You can find off his great work. Over at Rotoviz, Sean, a 20 round single QB, Bestball, Total Points format. It's not a fantasy playoff back end. We're about the week 17 matchups type thing. It is a total points format. We drew the 102 this year. We do the Prosverse Joe's every year. Big shout out to fantasy mojo for putting it on, organizing it. It's always a very fun one to do. Yeah, we are going to be kicking it off here with the pick as Jermir Gibbs just went 101. We are on the clock. Well, it's your preference here. We haven't drafted a lot of Jamar Chase. You have him projected for slightly more points than Bijon Robinson. It might be fun to get a wide receiver theme team going. But obviously I'm very happy with Bijon Robinson as well. I think it's a little more difficult. I mean, I'm happy to do the wide receiver theme. I actually have Puka projected for even more than Chase. I'm not like dying to take Robinson, but I don't mind him. And I think it's easier to build with a running back. But I'm yeah, all three of those guys are fine. It is easier to build with the running back. It sounded like while you weren't dying to take Robinson, you were also not dying to take either of the receivers. So we'll go ahead and get the better picks. Yeah. So we take Bijon there. They're better picks in a vacuum. It's just not, you know, it's not a vacuum. Basically, it's it gets a little bit tricky. Starting down the other path, Bijon Robinson, obviously not a bad consolation prize as a pick by any means. Would you have preferred Chase or just I'm thinking to structurally the ways that we've had to navigate some of the early rounds and prefer running back to receiver in the third, the fourth, the fifth, because of how it can really run out. Yeah, what do you think? I was kind of thinking about this as a draft that we could play around with a bit. And when are you not thinking that way? But I like to do fun things with the drafts. That's a good point. You can always play around with the draft. So you should do. Yeah, it's that's I mean, I love it. I love it. Right. Yeah, I would have definitely been open to that. We had not really talked yet to the listeners. I'm going to give a quick apology. I have been traveling for the last several days went to Ken Ohio for the fancy football expo for a couple of days. Got to see a bunch of people in the industry that was awesome to see, including a few people in this draft this year. And then continue to on to New York to visit a buddy. A few buddies that I had not seen in a little while. One moved there a couple of years ago, hadn't gone and visited him, stayed with a friend for a few days, did some walking. So you once lived in New York and we talked a little and you told me it's a, it's a city in a walk in a lot. I walked quite a lot of steps, quite a lot of steps last few days. We just mostly did some different neighborhoods and different things. Not a whole lot of sightseeing just kind of, kind of living in the city, which was a really fun trip. I really enjoyed it. But yeah, woke up early this morning to fly back across the country. Took a little map when I got home woke up. Here I am with you. So if I don't, you know, if I say say something ridiculous about some team, some players not on or something, I'm just asking the audience to, uh, to forgive me. How are you? How have you been? We haven't even chat yet. Good, good. It's, uh, been hot and weird here in Kansas City. Yes, did live in Harlem for a year and a half or so. Walk around some of those parks outside of Columbia. Some of those parks, including Central Park, obviously doing some running there. Always got lots of those stories about people coming to visit and us telling them that it was close and the reaction was always no. It's not close. If they tell you it's a short walk, you're walking for 45 minutes. So I'm glad that you got to walk around the city a bit. Yeah, it was fun. My buddy lives, um, literally close to Central Park right, right there on the, the west side. He's like a block away. It's a, it's a cool spot. He's, uh, right next to the building where John Lennon got shot, actually, I found out. But a very cool area there. We did some walking in Central Park for sure, but also did a Metz game in Queens and went down to Brooklyn that day. Had drinks on a rooftop bar. Overlooking the Brooklyn Bridge and that was fun. Got to go to Katz's deli yesterday. Learned about a, a pastrami sandwich. It was pretty dang good, Sean. So fun little, fun little trip. I have no other trips planned. It is lock in time for the NFL season. Starting tomorrow, but we have a draft tonight where I was like, oh man, I forgot that this is the day that I traveled back. Um, couple of interesting picks here already at the 106. We get Omari and Hampton one pick ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba. Two picks ahead of Christian McCaffrey, three ahead of Jonathan Taylor. So far, Gibbs, B. John, Chase, Pukin, Nuku, uh, Brock Bowers at 105. Another one that I think we very much agree with, but, uh, an interesting pick. Hampton, JSN McCaffrey Taylor, Almond Ross, St. Brown, Ashton, Gen. T 11. And then just a moment ago, Justin Jefferson at 12. That's closer to where I've been wanting to see him, but it seems like he's not always been ahead of CD lamb and I had a some of these backs. I'm the, he's going one 12th in the last week in the BBT. So, okay. So he is, he is settling in around there. The reports as all teams have now opened up camps. I haven't, haven't heard about the initial camp reports or anything, but the reports sort of before camp. We're the Lominus. The Kyler Murray stuff was starting to get a little ominous. You've been kind of warning about that, hinting about that for weeks now. I mean, Kyler Murray is maybe the most fun player in fantasy because he is a terrible quarterback who will hurt Justin Jefferson, hurt Jordan Addison, hurt the running game. And yet within the context of that, he's a very compelling fantasy pick in his own right. So I mean, Kyler Murray, you can actually have it both ways. You started that with the, he's the most fun fantasy pick that you're like, he's terrible. And it's going to be bad for everyone except him. Dre Big pride at the 201 James Cook, Chase Brown, Kenneth Walker. We got the longer clocks than some of the, some of the drafts we do slightly longer. Colson Loveland goes 205 there. Obviously 10 premium here. But if I wasn't mistaken, Loveland was a, a third round pick and some of the other stuff we were doing, I guess we were doing super flex. And then we were, we would talk about how Warren was an option at the four, five turn in some cases. Loveland's going 210. So this is earlier, but it's not, it's not crazy. Yeah, I've not done a lot of the single QB FFPC drafts yet. Lamb finally goes to a six, partly to seven. We are four picks away as a heads back toward the two, three turn. What are we looking at? What do we need to accomplish at this turn before, you know, sending it back the other way for another 20 picks, which is going to be the big, the big challenge in this draft. Yeah, we should get a shot at Harold Fienen at 502 if we want his ADP is late five. So that gives us another way to play tight end. But certainly Tyler Warren is going to be in the mix in the third round. Breeze Hall is something we've looked at here. If CT Lam had somehow fallen any farther, which I don't really think was possible, he would have been a very fun pick. Obviously, but the thing that gets a little bit weird and tricky is that once Lam is gone, you get into this range of AJ Brown, Drake, London, Rashid, Rice, Neal Collins, George Pickens, Devote Smith, I think that AJ Brown is the only viable receiver pick there except for George Pickens, which means you're voluntarily taking the wide receiver to off of a team that early in the draft. Now, having said that, I mean, Pickens could be not just a 1B, but I mean, he's right there with CT Lam, if they're both healthy. And also the Dallas Cowboys are the best team for fantasy in 2026. Yeah, the team situations fantastic. That was definitely clear in my projections process. I'm not quite as, I guess I'm not as down on rice as you. And I guess I'm not as down on London or Nico either. So, but I'm excited to hear you speak optimistically about AJ Brown for the first time in seven seasons. That's that's fun. The list. I mean, this could be the one, right? This could be the one. Hey, he made it back to us with an ADP of 20. We're at pick 23. This has got to be AJ Brown, right? Yeah. Send it home. Let's go. I'm super excited. AJ Brown, I think it's going to be a great year for him. We've talked about it a little bit. I think the fit with May is great. I think the new team thing is going to be a spark for a player that does play emotionally was not at times interested in performing last year. It's just such a degree that the Eagles were happy to get rid of him. The knee stuff, variable commented on it. It's said to be a not as much of a concern as maybe we were led to believe. Even some of the stuff early in the offseason as I've talked about on the show, like the Rams were out on him because of the knee stuff. It sounded like they were out on him because they had a trade form and think about him as a multi-year investment. They were more out on him in 2027, 2028. Whenever that may come to pass, it wasn't like this is a debilitating knee injury that's going to be a problem. Immunately in 2026, at least from my understanding, this is still a player who is just turned 29. June 30th about a month ago we're drafting here on July 28th. He's not particularly old. When I went through the projections process for this team, seemed to me like the clear number one. A lot of the numbers down last year from career norms. I think this is the other pretty clear rebound spot for the longer view elite wide receiver, Justin Jefferson being the other one we are going to discuss. Henry and Rashi Rice go at the turn. Nico Collins, George Pickens, Breeze Hall, I like the Tyler Warren idea. I was going to tell you if we didn't have a clear pick at 211 to just take Warren there and let the guy at the turn make his decisions. But I'm glad we had the clear pick on AJ Brown. But I'm very comfortable taking Warren at the 402 rather than navigating their whole fan thing. And you did just click his name there. Is that the way you would have liked to play? I mean, I feel like that's the tougher one to replace. We already have an anchor running pack. We get AJ Brown there. Pickens, Breeze Hall, interesting picks as well. Is that the way you wanted to go to? I'm guessing as you click it. I think that in this particular instance where you have that fallback of fan in and sometimes when you're going to be in the second half of drafts, you're thinking that you're going to get fan in and then you won't. I sort of like the idea there. I have a really high grade on both Pickens and Breeze Hall. And for the same reason that we picked Bishon Robinson in round one, I think that Breeze Hall in round three is similar to Jonathan Taylor at the 210-11. I think you and I had him in the main event that was an early main event in the third round last year. And so Breeze Hall in the third round, I'm obviously it's early third, but to me that's similar to a year ago Jonathan Taylor in the third. We wouldn't expect obviously the Jets offense to pick up and quite the same way that the Colts really got going with Daniel Jones. Although again, I mean, Daniel Jones was one of the things holding Jonathan Taylor back. And so it's always, I mean, I've always liked Daniel Jones. I thought he got a little bit of a raw deal there with the Giants, but he's certainly not someone who on his own was a superstar who was elevating New York. And for people to then come out and be like Jonathan Taylor is nothing, it's because they managed to upgrade from Anthony Richardson to Daniel Jones. And that's what's making the offense work. I mean, that argument seems a little specious as well. So you're going to work back through it. I mean, Geno Smith is going to be much better for Bruce Hall than what happened last season. You were saying Daniel Jones was a limitation for I think you said Jonathan Taylor, but did you mean say one barkly like back in the Giants days? Is that well, I think in terms of ADP for Jonathan Taylor last year, why were we able to get that price? Now the other thing which Jonathan Taylor, but getting that price says that he had some seasons when he wasn't as healthy and he'd had some seasons where he didn't break as many long runs. Now one of the reasons we really liked him laid into certainly early and three last year is that in the last third of 2024, he was basically his 101 102 self. And so if you see that and you have some belief in Daniel Jones, then certainly you want to target him there. I mean, Geno Smith had a little bit of the same issues with the Raiders that Daniel Jones had with the Giants where yes, he's not a superstar, but also what the Raiders did to him is going to make it tough for any QB. I think the Jets actually bounce back in a pretty, maybe with the Jets, you can't really call it a bounce back. Maybe they have a decent offensive season for the first time in a while. From the first time that Bruce Hall has been an NFL player, he's a fun pick in that range. I think that structurally he's a strong pick as well. I mean, Tyler Warren is maybe the best pick in the fantasy football. And so anytime someone wants to go that direction, I'm completely on board. This episode is sponsored by Better Health. We talk about mental health more openly now, but asking for help can still feel hard and better helps lit as research confirms it. Better helps 2026. 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The cults were the best offense in the NFL and told the yards across all teams first 10 games last year. They did have a couple games coming out of their buy where they started to stumble, then Jones gets hurt. Also, obviously, a big part of the massive net proff told the Justice, Jonathan Taylor was ripping off a ton of rushing and a ton of volume. But what Jones brought to the offense also, I do think, I mean, he was 68% completion percentage last year, 8.1 yards per attempt was a career high for him. It was good. It was good last year, obviously. So anyway, in terms of the Breast Hall corollary, I have some concerns there that that Geno can do the same thing. The Jets can do the same thing. The offensive environment. And then the second element of it is that we've talked about this Jonathan Taylor ended up, I believe, third in the NFL and running back routes, which came out of nowhere. I mean, that was always a limitation for him to be to be a high volume receiving back. It was his first, I don't have as exact routes numbers right in front of me, but it was his first 400 route season. It might have also been his first 300 route season or else that seems wrong. But it was a significant consolidation of all the volume. It was it was his first 300 route season and 400 route season by PFF's numbers. His previous career high was 292 as a second year player. He was up at 412. So I added a ton of routes over the top even though he wasn't like necessarily great per route. It added a lot of receiving floor to his profile. With Hall, you have the concern that he's got two backs behind him that the team does like to use and talks up and talks about a three out of five. They like those guys, but his receiving peripherals were fantastic last season. And Breeze Hall has been a good enough receiver in the past to be a few years ago battling Bichon Robinson for, you know, a pick. And then I'm not saying he gets all the way back to that. I don't think that he's going to be someone who's battling Bichon Robinson next year. I do think that he has a really good shot of going in the 109 where Jonathan Taylor was taken to this route. Yeah, I mean, that's exciting. The only other note I would say is, you know, Frank Wright versus Shane Stuykin, the ability to build an offensive on a guy at the end of Jones probably takes a Shane Stuykin like offensive mind that, you know, that could be that successful. I have some skepticism about Hall for those reasons that are not on a hall, but I really excited to hear about your optimism. And I certainly came out of the, the projections process excited about Hall. And we've taken it a few times and we'll continue to we are four picks away, Sean. Since we took war and it's been all running backs and receivers, no QBF the board yet, no fifth. tight end sort of as expected. Pickens went a few picks after us. Hall went right behind us. Nico in between there. We've had several other receivers go. Josh Allen just came off as well. The only other receivers after running backs after Hall were Javonte Williams, Kyron Williams. KM Scatapoo and Josh Jacobs. And then you have a lot of yellow coming off the board, meaning wide receivers. Malik neighbors went at the 401 here. Ever since not showing up at the PUP, I'm assuming I've been traveling a little. But I'm assuming his ADP has been rising a little bit. You and I had been tiptoeing around when we were going to start to draft some some neighbors. And we have missed that window because it was. It was open there for for a real discount for a bit. He is off the board. Alave Bucca, Devonta Smith, Zayflowers, Ladmaconky neighbors in there. T Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle, and DJ Moore have all gone Travis ETN just went off. We are one pick away. In the queue, you have MacMillan, Quinchon, Judkins, Spatial Tutan, McClaur and Luther Burton, Trivia Henderson, a bunch of interesting names. High concentration of year two guys. This is a fun turn. The other thing I was going to say about the Warren 302 versus pulling up fan in debate is in this format, we have a 20 round single QB best ball format where I think we've always talked about this as wanting to get four tight ends. I would I would have been on a post to considering that route as well, although even as MacMillan goes four, 10 there, I like a lot of the options that we have available to us at the non-tight end position. So we're going to potentially not go to, you know, two tight ends. And then we'll have some 2v2s who are talking about Breast Hall and fan in versus Warren and someone else. Who is your preference here as word about 30 seconds at the 411? I really like the queue. I'm in on all of this. Well, something MacMillan went. He would have been the clear pick. MacMillan's ADP has screamed up and probably doesn't survive the 412501. I don't know if we want to contribute to that or if we want to take Ternic Lauren, Luther Burton, those guys. You were pretty into Judkins, but I'm very open to Tuton if you would rather go, let's yeah, so we grab Tuton there. I like that. I wanted you to kind of break that tie. That's a tough one to me when I recorded the second episode of my new podcast with Jacob Sanderson. He was asking me about which of the sort of year two backs in this range I would like most at call. I think he threw a jitter in price and I'd like most at costs from Skataboo, Tuton, Judkins, Henderson, down to Jitter in price. It's an interesting range in the dead zone of young backs and like who I, and I mean, I think they're all intriguing plays in their own rights and then they're all a little bit challenging for reasons as well. So you've, you've gotten me pretty excited about Judkins with some, some optimism, but you were liking Tuton over Judkins here. Yeah, I, this comes back to the thing where as soon as people let go of Chris Rodriguez, Michelle Tuton is going to be extremely expensive because the Jaguar's offense is going to be one of the highest scoring offenses. Tuton combines that feistyness of a bigger back with the long speed that you need to kind of round out the profile, those big runs. Now, the question, especially with liquid Allen, not really hiding back there, but in the mix is does Tuton get enough high value touches to compete with the guys that you really want him to compete with, which isn't the players who are drafted at round four and the back half or out three. It's the players who are drafted at the back of two, right? Does he get enough high value touches for that part to work? But certainly when you have that much physical talent in an offense that could lead the NFL and scoring, I mean, it's, it's certainly more exciting than taking a Javante Williams, a Josh Jacobs, a Kyra Williams, for sure. And that was going to be my comment on the 2v2 thing is the breeze fan and thing is great, but Warren Tuton gives us access to offenses. I have a little bit more optimism for overall and I think there's still plenty of ceiling in those profiles. McClaurren and Swift at the turn. McClaurren is one that we agree on and both really like. He does go there. I guess for me, I mean, the question becomes do you want to keep prioritizing running back in this range for structural reasons or do we go with the Luther burden? Do we go with the second tie-dend? We do know that we like some of the receivers a little ways further down the list. What do you think? I probably go here, I'll fit in here. All right, let's do it. Yeah, I like that. I, yeah, that when we took Warren, I was very much open to to that pass. So we're not going to do the 2v2 discussion. So you're, you're feeling better. The burden goes right behind it. You're feeling better about Mick Millen, I'm hearing and we're a little bit more optimistic about him at this turn and then potentially McClaurren then, then burden. Yes, and I think that shows up nicely in your projections. You have a 15 to 20 point edge for those guys. You also had a meaningful edge there between McClaurren and Millen and the running backs. The name I was going to ask you about because we haven't taken it. We do kind of like him. We think that the Saints offense could be good. Travis ETN there. You haven't projected just ahead of Derek Henry, but still quite a bit lower than, say, Mick Millen and McClaurren. So the two players who go right ahead of our pick ETN Mick Millen, I think they would have both been interesting. I wanted to ask you about them. Deonry Swift, the other back that I wanted to ask you about at the same time, you haven't projected slightly above Tutton in the same basic range as Judkins and Travion Henderson. I guess I'm maybe more enthusiastic about Swift than you are. I think that he can be sort of Travis ETN plus when we think about what the Chicago Bears are under Ben Johnson. But it is tricky because part of the whole idea of the projections process is that we obviously feel more confident in Travis ETN completely vanquishing any competitors within the Saints offense than Swift doing the same thing to Kyle Menongai. Even though Menongai is not a big talent, he is someone who's already demonstrated as a rookie that he can run effectively within the Chicago Bearski. Yeah, and once he became sort of the 1B, I believe it was after week six or so. The first, they had a week five by. So I think it was the first five games, like one through four plus week six where he was a little bit further behind Swift. But once you started in about week seven, I think it is when it is, you get a consistency to his snap shares to his usage and it comes out to like 53, 47. I mean, we're not even talking to 60, 40 year. We're talking to really a close 1A 1B. Now notably, Swift always stay in the 1A. You often see the rookie take over the guy and we talked about this during the season. Swift, on our son and in show, Swift looked better. I was writing about the ceiling signals frequently. When you go to the post season, snap shares, they actually went the opposite direction. They just played over more than 60% of the snaps for the first time since way back earlier in the season. I don't have all the numbers in front of me, but he got ridden a little harder in the game where they got knocked out of the post season. And Menungai got his stuff pulled back a little bit. He was down below 40%. And so there was a little bit of a gap suddenly. Menungai got all that work in that. Bangles game and ran really well. The Bangles defense at the time was like the worst run D in the league. And the very next week when Swift was back because Swift missed that game. Menungai had a great game. 26 carries, something like that, 150 yards, caught some passes, big workload. Very next week, Swift was still the clear lead. I mean, I think Ben Johnson was telling you with the usage on a weekly basis last year. I always talk about that little micro stuff as being really important at this point in the year, remembering that stuff because people look at the full season lines and really fixate on that. And I think you need to remember how things progressed within the season last year to contextualize those full season lines. And then you also have to think to the longer view, the more macro stuff, the multi-year stuff. I think the stuff that's overweighted right now in ADP and everything is just 2025 full season numbers and finish and that kind of stuff. And then that's the anchoring of fact, or point, then we adjust to based on, you know, off-season happenings and all those other things. I think people miss some of the detail on the in season on a more granular level. And then they also miss some of the zoomed out stuff. So going both directions can be helpful. In this case, going to the more granular stuff to say that I think Ben Johnson told you with his usage patterns last year that he felt that Swift was this better back. So I'm not I mean, the projection doesn't love him, Sean. I always say that's just, you know, one outcome. I'm not out on Swift. I think he's an interesting play because I think that backfield was so exciting. The only concern is like, do they add somebody maybe like late in August? That was a concern last year. And they never did. And then both these guys wound up as pretty good values, but they were more small hit than big hit. Caleb doesn't throw to the backs a lot. More of a playmaker, more of an extended play guy, more of a vertical throw or when he does throw any through the ball way a lot more last year. People have talked about his completion percentage being really low. One of the big steps forward for him in year two under Ben Johnson was just getting the ball out and really reducing the sac rate, which hurt some of the per attempt efficiency. But it's just using the arm strength to basically throw the ball out of bounds. Instead of taking a negative play, got to keep in mind, sac rate when you start talking about some of the per attempt stuff. Anyway, that affects, I think, the the check down rate. And maybe that'll be a progression forward in your three now for him in your two under Ben Johnson that he's actually, he's not taking those in completions. He's able to get the ball to these backs a little bit more out of the backfield, but that's one of the projection concerns for Swift versus a guy like an ETN as well. But yeah, no, I mean, it's a good situation. And you talk about best ball. You talk about, you know, being more willing to take a dead zoning back. That's a little bit more of a small hit profile than a league winning legendary upside big hit type. You know, when I wrote it with the dead zone, it was all about we need the players that actually have the ceiling on best balls, a little bit different, honestly, the way that that man, man, fast. So anyway, Swiss and interesting, an interesting pick to me as well. McClure and Swift are at the turn for the one on one draft or two veterans that are certainly still on the board there. Sean, as we are a few picks away, we took fan and craft when a couple picks after us, pits in the board, also went in the fifth round. So our double tapping of tie end also sort of we're seeing other drafters in this room, emphasizing the position. George Kittle goes there at 609 Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, both went in the sixth. So we have three quarterbacks that have been selected at this stage. We just got back on the clock. I would say that Jane Daniels is a possibility at the turn. If for any reason, you wanted him because Terry McClure and has been selected. They are behind us. We are back up. We have the one receiver, two running backs, two tight ends. What are you thinking? Well, Roma doodsay went one pick ahead of us. So Matt Stone in three continues to do a nice job of vacuuming out the number one guy that I sort of had on the list. Drake May has fallen through. And since we have AJ Brown is, I think, compelling in a way that he otherwise wouldn't be. I guess it wouldn't be completely against going with May and then taking Jaden Daniels coming back through. I'm not seeing. Daniels is going to go with the turn to the McClure and drafter. And I came out with Daniels a lot higher in projections. Now, we do already have Brown and obviously the stacking element, but this is a cumulative points format. And it's not a huge contest. There are, I believe, like seven or eight of these 12 team drafts, you're trying to finish number one overall. We did just take Daniels. I think the possibility that I was arguing if we were going to go QB QB is that May was more likely to come through. Part of my, my may projection that came out pretty negative for him was that the Patriots were second in the league in total points last year and project to be more middle of the pack a little bit above average, but like further down. And it's really tough to come up. And then the part that you've talked about a lot over the first couple of years that May is a good Russian quarterback, but he's probably not as good as some people think. He's not like Josh Allen level. He's not Chaden Daniels level. Daniels is an injury risk and all of those things. Drafted behind us has been using quite a lot of clock typically, but as really run the clock down here. I'm guessing we aren't their biggest fan right now because they do have McClure and they go Brian Thomas there. I love the idea of just stacking a bunch of QB ceiling here and coming back in eight, nine, 10, 11 with two QBs into tight ends already locked up and really hammering a pocket that we think is more more interesting in some of the other positions running back and certainly wide receiver. But yeah, we went ahead and grabbed Daniels there with the clock low. We're waiting for the guy in the turn to finish. He took Brian Thomas first. Once we are back up, I think the possibility of going QB, QB here is pretty intriguing. I do think May's a little bit overvalued though in terms of that's the one for my projections that I do think there was a pretty intriguing result. I'm not out on Drake May by any means, but he's been going like QB three in some formats. He does go there after so that's interesting. We took Daniels from the one draft with McClure and he takes May from us. We have a Jay Brown obviously, no harm, no foul. I do just outright prefer Daniels, even with the stacking element considered. I think some people think that's a pretty big mistake, but I think there's such a gap between Daniels ceiling and May's and if you're going to go early QB, really got a prioritize ceiling. Then anyway, we are back up, Sean. It's a pretty tough running back and wide receiver area. You can pull up Jordan Tyson, you have Jonathan Brooks in the queue. I'm very happy to take Brooks aggressively here. If that's a move that you're into, he's been rising and going. We're going to take Marvin Harrison. He is the top receiver. I have taken him out some of my stuff on my own. I know you're not thrilled about him at 702 in this range with Brian Thomas. He is a guy that I've had. I've been intrigued by. I'm curious your thoughts on. Well, this is mostly the only spot I would probably take him, but he is the ADP value and he does go about 10 picks ahead of. You mentioned that Jonathan Brooks is rising. One of the things that if you wanted to get the most up to date ADP, you can subscribe to. Even with that, we're seeing him in the last week at 6/11. Jonathan Brooks at 801. If you're looking at it from that perspective and maybe not just wanting to contribute to Brooks getting even more expensive than he already is, then one of the things that is so tricky about taking Tyler Warren, we'll retook him and taking Harold Van and El with Van and it would have been taking Quenchon Judkins, which would have been the same by as one of our previous running backs, which is one of the other reasons why I argued for Baytial Tutton. It may not end up being that big of a deal, but it would have been two of the key guys out for the same week the players were relying on for sort of the foundation points. But you can see the downside of probably not AJ Brown, because we really didn't have two backs that we wanted in two and three. It would have just been one. But you look at the Warren picks, you look at the Fanon picks, certainly where we took Daniels and we took Harrison, there are no running backs in that area. So I was pretty desperately hoping that Jalen Warren would come back to us. I think that he's a player that we both love as a talent were enthusiastic about the Pittsburgh Steelers throwing just an avalanche of passes to their two backs. And there are some folks who think that Rico Dotto will be the passing down back. I'm certainly not saying that wouldn't be the case, but one of the things that always jumps out with Jalen Warren was even the case last year when Kenny Gainwell was there, is that Jalen Warren is one of the best receiving backs in the entire NFL. So I get concerned about the workload there for the same reasons that you mentioned with DeAndre Swift. But after Jalen Warren, we're talking about just, I mean, the drop off, the tear break from Jalen Warren until the next guy, then when you put out your rankings in mid August, you have tear breaks and then you have big tear breaks. It's a big tear break after Jalen Warren. That's interesting. I've been thinking about him as closer to even his teammate, Dowdell. I think the Warren upside case, as you're talking through the sort of longer view skill set element, meaningfully higher. And that was something I talked about in my projection process as well. And when I wrote up the Steelers recently that, you know, Dowdell does have the familiarity with Mike McCarthy and he does come over as a guy who's now had a couple of good years in a row. But Warren's been really good for a while now. I mean, his best season was now like three years ago and we don't necessarily want to keep crediting that this many years later at the running back position. But it's long enough ago that Dowdell will still a bit player at that point. He's a special team's guy. He was a, you know, I mean, with Warren, we have multiple seasons of a track record that are really, really strong. So I hear you on that. Brooks went three picks behind us. We grabbed Harris and there with the clock. Really winding down probably smart to get another receiver definitely into the uncertainty of it all. I would say they're with Harrison where even like similar to the Brian Thomas pick, I think they are both similar with Thomas. You have more depth that receiver that's a concern for me. and sort of the usage floor. If he continues to not really fit with Trevor Lawrence and is more of just a vertical threat, like that could be a concern. For Harrison, I mean, it just, it feels like the usage is gotta be there on some level. It's gotta be him and Michael Wilson and Tramick Bride. Obviously, Jerry, am I a love, but when you really think what the vertical target's beyond them, it's Kendrick Bourne and not much else at wide receiver. There's not much else in the tight end depth. Elijah Higgins, Tip Reeman. I mean, Harrison going into year three here is going to still get a lot of opportunity to be a successful player. He frankly hasn't been that horrible from a per-out profile or anything. It's just been underwhelming relative to really high expectations, but not anything that's just qualifying or anything like that. Think about like a Roma Dunezai who went before him, better off and smart optimism going forward, et cetera. But Dunezai's, for example, per-out profiles in the first couple of years. I would argue are more concerning about like the long-view skill stuff than what Marvin Harrison has done, where I mean, I think people think that Harrison is meaningfully worse, but that's not the way that I would see it. A Dunezai was at a 1.61 years per-out run last year, but he's a 1.18 as a rookie. Harrison 163158. He's been right around that 1.6. That very much improved a Dunezai second season. Harrison's been sitting there both seasons. He's had better yards per target both years after the target efficiency at similarly high eight odds for both these players. A Dunezai last year earned a little bit more volume, but Harrison's been on a per-out run basis, but Harrison's been in that range both the last couple of years, the 20% targets per-out range. He was at 18.8 last year, down a little from 21 as a rookie. I mean, I just not convinced Harrison's definitely done, but I agree with you. He's not one that we would be looking to hammer. It was an interesting spot. I don't think he's like wrong to be going in that range for people who have thought through him, Thomas, a Dunezai, et cetera. I guess there's part of me that thinks that Harrison's even a little bit more intriguing than some of those other guys. Probably Thomas for me, especially. I mean, the Dunezai offense and then the concentration elements, I've talked about it with the Bears. It really has to be their big three guys as well, like I was talking about with Harrison. Thomas, the lack of concentration there is just really becomes kind of concerning as well, but we are barreling back toward our eighth round pick. We have so far taken Sean, B. John Robinson, A.J. Brown, Tyler Warren, B. Schultton, Harold Fanon, J. Daniels, and Marvin Harrison, two of every color except quarterback where we do already have one. So a very balanced draft to start, certainly need to be starting to add running back and wide receiver depth where possible. We are interesting. The draft are behind us, like Jalen Hertz, they had both Burton and a Dunezai, but they have now started to see Caleb Williams come all the way back. I'll be curious to see if they would take Williams at eight, 10 there. He is the ADP value now. And then behind that, UF RJ Harvey there, in the queue, definitely interested in him. And we have several wide receivers we like in this range. Jordan Tyson, I had mentioned at the last turn, did go Parker Washington, Alec Pierce, Corlan Sutton, DK McAfquitt and Johnston, Chris Godwin, Michael Pittman have all gone. This is a range that I don't necessarily want to be hammering wide receivers with a lot of those names coming off the board. We did make it back up. Pittman went, did DK McAfquitt go a while ago? Am I missing him? They both went in a similar range here. Okay, I'm just not seeing him. My eyes are invading me. What Caleb Williams did not go. I don't know if you would consider the two early QB thing for him, obviously the stack element with May was probably the bigger and picing thing. Is it RJ Harvey for you right now? I think it should be when I get that sort of last running back who could really make a difference. But Rico Doudel is here. We could take Doudel. He's someone who projects pretty well in you. Let's take Harvey. Yeah, Doudel projects well. We're shot wide is also the next running back. And I think he's a solid play as well. This has been a really wide receiver heavy room. So when we look at ADP here, we're seeing in the little applet only quarterbacks and running backs, Tidens have been pushed up a little bit as well. I do want to get some receiver depth at some point, obviously. I think we may have a hard time getting some of these guys back to the 1011 that maybe typically would come back there. Hopefully we can get Xavier worthy back there. He's one of the ones with the lower ADP. You've thrown some of the other guys, Jordan Addison, Matthew Golden that go in that that tier break. I think at the 1011, we're hoping to get some of those names. If we have to pull up a concepcy own or something, we should be able to get some wide receiver ceiling there, hopefully. But this has been a draft that's been pulling that position up. We grab Harvey there with the clock kind of winding down. We'll see what the draft on the turn here does. But I'm thinking 902 might be one where we want to get McCoy lemon, Josh Downs, one of those two probably. What do you think? I think that-- I mean, I'm fine going that direction. But the running back points will become harder to come by. If Doudal does come through another pick, he ends up being pretty compelling at almost a full, well, full round of ADP discount. One of the things that was-- to follow up on my-- or to finish my Jalen Warren point there, Warren finished with more yards per wrap run last season according to SIS, then Christian McHaffrey or Bijan Robinson. The only back with more evasion as a receiver last year was Ty J Spears, who we know as a receiver just breaks almost in the number of tackles. I mean, you can't tackle that guy. He barely gets back to the line of scrimmage because he's got to break four tackles in the back field. Rico Doudal still comes in looking very good as a receiver as well. Are you out on Doudal here as the pick? I know this would be a little bit of a unique team for us. I think that that Dak Prescott would be a great pick here. But certainly getting McHye Lemon is always a good pick. No, we can say Doudal. Let's not contribute to the wider receivers being pushed up and see if we can find some values there later. Yeah, I mean, I think this is an interesting running back area. You were mentioning Warren and then a little bit of a drop off. And then I kind of said that as much as I do like Warren and I do like him more than Doudal, I mean, you tell me that Warren goes at 608 and Doudal goes at 902. There's a part of me that thinks that Doudal's the better value there. I think there should be a gap. But that like two and a half round gap is maybe a little bit large relative to what makes sense in my mind. The other name Rashad White who goes right behind Doudal. I also think is a reasonable fit. Although he wasn't as good last year from a receiving efficiency standpoint, some of those things. But another guy was some familiarity with where he's going. He had a huge season alongside Jaden Daniels at Washington, 1500 yard season. Jocoray Croskey Merit didn't do a ton as a receiver last year. And I think you're looking at White as sort of the clear passing down sky there. Now the difference is Doudal has a quarterback in our Rogers who we feel really great is going to throw the running backs in a million times. White has a quarterback and Jaden Daniels is going to hold the ball a little bit more, has not thrown to the running backs at a massive rate. He did throw to Eclara Decent amount. Eclara only played about 14 games over the last two years. But pretty good rate of targets per game for Eclara guy with a long track record as a receiving back. Then when he was out there, he did get some passwork. And I sort of suspect similar for Rashad White, but pretty significant sort of team high value touch landscape is the way that I like to describe it in terms of how I will project these offenses to generate the high value touches for their backs for these two veterans. So get a little bit of ceiling there with Harvey, one of those more upside on certain plays. And we get a little bit more floor with Doudal in this full full PPR format. I think he's a fun pick. Yeah, I mean, you just surprised me a little bit wanting to be in on Harrison Doudal, some of these guys. But Bieshann Robinson, Bieshann Robbins and Bieshann Robbins versus Joe's, you got to find the values. That's right. Bieshann Tutton and RJ Harvey, and then adding some texture to that with Rico Doudal, who's this boring PPR play. And those two being a little bit more wider air bars, high ceiling, potentially low floor, in some elements, I don't know that we really necessarily believe that. But there is some uncertainty when you go through a projection process and stuff about what Tutton's role could look like, what Harvey's role could look like. Harvey's, I think, more so. I'm Tutton. We took four rounds earlier. But I liked that running back room so far with an anchor and stud and Bieshann and a couple of really interesting efficiency swings, I would say, in Tutton and Harvey. And then Doudal. And you think about Harvey and some of the things that you specifically like, right? you're talking about a guy who 200 plus routes last season, the 58 targets, I think people tend to not really give him credit for. That's the part that's going to stick almost regardless of what else happens. You have the potential for some Ariards with Harvey. Doubtful a guy who was at minus 55 last year, but could come back a bit, I think. The name that I was not in on is White, who is someone who does, who did run a lot of routes last season, was not very efficient on those. More than 100 negative Ariards. Now that's something that might change with the commanders. I guess I just think that Jekori Kroski-Mirat is the guy who it's a thin type of play because White cancels out a lot of the high value targets, but his potential as a runner in that offense and someone who could be in year two with a healthy J Daniels could see that efficiency boost of the hybrid QB, which I just maybe Rashad White could do that, but he's such a poor pure runner. I don't think he's a good fit for the commanders offense given what J Daniels figures to really be good at. Interesting take. My read on it has just been that every running back has been a good fit alongside J Daniels. Chris Rodriguez, during the make-knickles had the long run. Brian Robinson looked better than he probably is. Jekori Kroski-Mirat is a round-7 and Rookie comes in immediately, has 800 yard rushing season eight touchdowns. Every running back that runs alongside J Daniels has looked good has been elevated. So Rashad White should be more expensive. Arguably yes, and I projected him for meaningfully more rushes. The receiving stuff is work. It's tricky. I'll be curious to see how much he plays on the receiving side because if it's a little bit of a trap profile, the lack of high-value touches, very much a between the 20s runner profile, that's a problem. It may not be strictly that. He had a good TD rate last year as well. So it's very plausible that he could score enough touchdowns and it's not just purely a trap profile, even if the receiving's not great, that he's one of these efficiency runners. You're able to play a little bit more in the modern NFL, the Rush yards and the Rush TDs. The Derek Henry profile, you know, the Sichuan Barclay profile. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I don't I'm not out on him either. These are it's a it's a late price for a team number one running back. Obviously Rashad White, the first one off the board for Washington at the 903, Chakorik Raskin Merit, still available there. Sean, as we are here in the 10th, McKaylen and Jordan Addison, Jaden Reed all just went in the first half of the 10th round. There wasn't a huge receiver run. Excuse me in the ninth, but Josh Downs did go Ricky Pierce, all guy I've mentioned favorably at times this offseason went. We do still have Matthew Goldins, Xavier Worthy and some other receiver and names, hoping those guys make it back to us here. Jacob Dobbins just went, we are kind of as this is going, I'm looking back at the B. John Robinson, Jamar Chase, Pukin, and Kua discussion and thinking, well, if I if I had thought through this a little better and realized how running or wide receiver heavy this draft might end up being with a little bit more of an analyst and you know, it's it's it's always funny it's called pros versus Joe's, but a lot of the Joe's very experienced drafters. Not not not really Joe's this God test. So it's not a huge surprise that we're seeing a little bit more pressure on the wide receiver value that we had typically seen in other drafts. You maybe want to go back and take a Jamar Chase, take a Pukin, Kua, this team would look a lot different at this stage. Three picks away. What do you think? Well, one of the sort of not very fun questions I have for you is like how concerned do you immediately become about the chiefs which was the very sad disturbing news there. Patrick Mahomes does go one pick ahead of us. Xavier Worthy still available. He seems like the pretty easy pick. What's the sad and disturbing news that I haven't heard? So hold on first for the I'm gonna go ahead and click Worthy here. Okay, we're on the clock and I'm like I need to know this very ominous thing you said before we select Xavier Worthy and you're like I'm gonna go ahead and click him and then tell you about the ominous thing. So Worthy I think a pretty easy choice and then Matthew Golden probably the other player that we're targeting here. One of the things that I did want to mention is that because of the 2 2 2 format with FFPC, I don't think that we have to be worried about wide receiver and the launches in the same way that we do in the 2 3 1 format. Especially if we think they're running back service, simply score more points. There was just a family. I'm seeing it with enemy with enemy's wife. Yeah, that's that I had missed that while while traveling over the weekend. That's a sad one for sure. The yeah, I mean grabbing grabbing Worthy there I think made sense. To me Worthy Golden is the this is like where you're getting the end of the wide receiver window and is the big inflection point at wide receiver is right in this range where you you lose some of the ceiling. I think there's still some meaningful ceiling for we obviously know in Worthy and then for Matthew Golden as well in going through the projection process there and just understanding where Green Bay's at from our receiver standpoint and how much they need a new profile I think then then what Watson has been what even read has been with those intermediate targets. There's a reason that Romeo Dobbs has always been consistently really productive in that range. I think it seems like they they actually really think golden's going to be that guy they're going to run him a ton. They've done a lot with him with receivers like him to draft and develop in the past people are really out on golden after one year when the packers have been a draft and develop type of team at receiver for years for a really long time. You know you can go back to to volunteer Adams you go back to like Jordy Nelson early in their careers didn't play a ton and it up being you superstars. I'm not saying that's what golden's destined for but this idea of them being a little bit slower with him in his rookie year and then he finished really great he had it his best game of the year was in the postseason game and they've talked about him really favorably all off season and they clear the decks they get rid of Wix they get rid of not just Dobbs but Dobbs and Wix is the way I would say that you know if you have craft coming off a major injury and he's more of a really low eight odd ball and hand kind of guy you know remember he had like 12 plus yards per yards after the catch per reception last year he's but very low eight odd see other thing with Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed's got a medium eight odd but it's it's a lot of manufactured stuff near the line of scrimmage and then he actually gets a decent rate of high high eight odd targets like vertical targets doesn't run a ton into those like intermediate ranges like 10 yard in breaking routes and stuff that you're gonna get from well in this offense you got from Dobbs a lot and maybe you'll start to get some more of that from Watson he did a little bit more of that earlier in his career but it really just seems like that's where Matthew Golden that's what they see in him that's what they took him in the first round that was the long-term vision for him with Watson as the you know the vertical guy and then Reed as your move you know multifaceted ball and hand you know vertical do a lot of different things but been golden to me when I went to the projection pass someone like they think he's the heir apparent to this Dobb stuff which as we know Dobbs is a lot of times wound up being the most valuable from a volume standpoint he consolidates routes and sees plenty of targets in those things in any way I mean maybe Golden's just not a good enough player but as far as the way the offense structures and pieces together definitely still think there's meat on the bone for him and in year two to to improve and then to to potentially be a pretty great value here if he's actually good and he wasn't like bad again the get to like per out profiles and stuff he didn't run a lot of routes which is a real concern I mean you're a first round rookie and you don't play a lot but I'm saying that like if any team's gonna do that maybe it's the Packers he wasn't bad in terms of ball you know after the target efficiency ball skills and those things yards per target the targets per out or low and the routes were low but anyway Xavier worthy Matthew golden turn there Sean for me is huge we only had AJ Brown and Marvin Harrison you mentioned the two receiver format we don't need a massive amount of receiver depth but to be able to get those guys as the wide receiver three and four and then right behind them Chikoby Myers Romeo dobs are the next two off the board I mean those guys are gonna be fine on those teams but they're sort of the outside the wide receiver window types to me the the lack ceiling for worthy and golden. I think you have a similar volume basis, even though it may not feel like it as those two veterans. And then I think you have real ceiling paths that are pretty compelling for both worthy and golden, the younger dudes. They add to Marvin Harrison, AJ Brown. Really fun, wide receiver course so far. That's four first round picks, former first round picks. Three of them that have disappointed quite a bit in Harrison worthy and golden, but where we feel there's still some meat on the bone there. Concepcion. Just went 11, 11. We're definitely going to be in a position where wide receiver is going to be a lot thinner the next time we're up. Yes, I think Jaden Higgins is the last guy who has a pretty strong chance to become a key part of his team's receiving offense. Normally he comes back, he has an ADP in the middle of 13. The Jalen Coker does as well. And Jalen Coker was taken in the middle of 10. So certainly you can't count on that. I was going to suggest that one of the picks that would be quite a bit of fun to give us two of these mobile QBs would have been Kyler Murray. Maybe the last quarterback who's pretty compelling. He goes there at 12.02. After round 11 was pretty quarterback heavy with Matthew Stafford, Jeric Offbow, next Jordan Love, and the leak with us all going in the Tyler Schuck whom we like. In part because of his weapons and in part because of his schedule, he goes the next pick after at 12.03. So we are into a position where we're probably not going to be that thrilled about our QB2, but certainly when you invest or we did in a Jaden Daniels, we need Daniels to stay healthy. You need to score points. All of those types of things. Unfortunately, Keaton Mitchell, Jekroy Kroski and Merit, they both come off. That's certainly not a surprise, even if it is mildly disappointing. So Higgins is still there. Two picks away. Anyone else that you are seeing the highest ADP player here at receiver is Kodilish Akir. A guy that I think is kind of weirdly valued and that he doesn't have the huge upside. I don't think that he's a great redraft pick. He is one of those guys that I think is actually kind of compelling when you're trying to get some veteran points at wide receiver. Higgins makes it back. Are you on board with that selection as being? Yeah. Before you click it, my thoughts, I very much in on Higgins and I think probably we should just click it regardless. My only other thoughts are quarterbacks are coming really aggressively. I agree with you, we're not going to be happy about the QB2, but I do think this is a room where people are going to try to get a third, maybe even in some cases a fourth quarterback early enough that I don't want us to get completely boxed out, although it's single QB. So 13 or two may be a consideration there, but we can still take Higgins here and we can still push that if we wanted to as well. And then the only other thought was I don't see any running backs. It was TJ Hawkins in sliding a little bit behind ADP, Dolseach and Dalton Shultz went in the last round, Hunter Henry, the round prior. I mean, we took both Warren and Fanon, I don't think we need to go tight end here either. Higgins, I agree with you. I like that. He's in that group with Worthy and Golden as well. Very exciting value at 12 11 there. I had kind of let him slip my mind a little bit, but he is one that is fun to get exposure to. Certainly, and I've taken him in a couple of the things that I have done on my own, not on streams with you. So very much excited about the Worthy Golden Higgins stretch there 10, 11, 12. That's a man. That's a really meaningful stretch of wide receiver. It's not just like upside. I mean, just the profiles were able to add to the room. It's not something that you probably should be able to do in those rounds. It's unique to this year. It's unique across formats. Certainly something that plays into some of the early round strategy when we think back to front, you can get a little bit more wide receiver depth into your builds this year. Pretty big key to be able to get guys like this in these rounds. It includes other guys like Jordan Addison and McCuyleman and guys we didn't actually take. They went a little bit before we dipped in, but Josh Downs. I mean, in some of these ranges, depending on where you are in the round, you're able to find some wide receiver firepower that really just shouldn't be there, frankly. We're back up, Sean. Daniel Jones. Then I guess also CJ Stroud now with Higgins, both stack candidates. Jones with Tyler Warren. We've taken a lot of Jones. I don't think that Tyler Warren needs Daniel Jones to even play that well to score. I think that CJ Higgins probably does need CJ Stroud. When you have Higgins on the team here, Stroud actually becomes at least vaguely interesting. I think both of those guys are good picks. Yeah, I'm with you. I actually really like that breakdown as far as Jones and Stroud's impact on the individual players we have that there's probably more correlation with the Stroud element. We go ahead and grab Stroud there. We've taken some Jones. I have no issue with Stroud at this point. You're through the 20 or so quarterbacks and you get into the early 20s. You do hit a tear break, but in that next tier, both Jones Stroud interesting players. To me, I had a Bryce Young cam ward, Sam Darnold, but those guys aren't complete nothing either. I'm glad to get a QB2 there. That was kind of the structurally I wanted to know what your thought was if you wanted to keep pushing that, but I think it made sense to snag a guy there. Yeah, you can get pretty far out of position the in part due to trying to move through the tournament, which doesn't have the same tactical considerations in this full year format. Sam Darnold, 1202, into Jones, 1203, CJ Stroud, 1206, cam ward, 1209. That's where those guys tend to be going. In many ways, I prefer Bryce Young in the 13th Aaron Rodgers in the 14th, even maybe Fernando Mendoza in the 15th, but once you have gotten Higgins, you wrap back around in the 13th. I didn't feel like you were going to allow me to take Kenyans to Deek there. And with that being the case, I'm like, let's just take a quarterback. Sam Darnold, I'm Bryce Young. You got to, the obsession with Bryce Young. We took a lot of Bryce Young late last year. I don't feel like it was that great. You had the great playoff game. But they like Dave Canallis, I can tensionally didn't try to throw the ball when they were winning, when they were losing. Well, you know, I've made the case that that was still a viable path last year. It's not a viable path in 2026. If you don't develop, I mean, both of these guys really have their careers on the line in 2026. You've got a very aggressive projection on Tetra-Roll in the millen. I think that is right. I think he's going to be a star. But the other element here is that, and I always go back to Blair Andrews because Blair was begging us to take him pretty much everything for all of our subscribers to take Jalen Coker in Dynasty, just to understand that Jalen Coker was going to be a star. And the off-season reports for him and for their big-bodied vertical rookie have been fantastic. One of the things that comes up with Bryce Young from Time to Time is that he's a great deep ball thrower. The statistics really like him on that. One of the things is like he doesn't throw that many. So it's not as relevant as it is for someone like a Drake May who is bombs away, is hitting these guys who are not even good. One of the things I did want to mention, it seems like in the very early going, right? You don't want to be making or drawing any grand conclusions from the first couple days of training camp. It did sound like the defense was winning, which if you're a Patriots fan and you watch last year's playoffs, that's probably not that exciting to you. Also, K-Shon Bhutay, who I don't even necessarily think factors into their plans. Although maybe that's completely wrong in terms of me looking at that. When you have AJ Brown brought in and this really weird Realme O'Dobbs acquisition, but K-Shon has supposedly dominated camp early making all these plays down the field. Now again, I think your competitive fire at defenders are going to be more excited about taking a light AJ Brown, maybe the K-Shon there slide. Again, we don't want to be drawing conclusions from that, but that digression and really to back to, obviously Drake Mays gonna throw those balls. Is Bryce Young going to throw them? Well, one of the things that is exciting for him is that Jalen Kocher may just simply be really good. I mean, the drafter here who takes him in the middle of round 10 thinks that's a possibility. I think that their receiving core is going to be dramatically different than anything Bryce Young has had to this point. You add in those players, you take Xavier Lee get really out of the equation. I mean, he's still someone that if like he flashes, they're gonna try and work in, they're gonna try and make that pick not look quite as bad. But they now have, then I think it's possible that the Carolina Panthers may have one of the better receiving groups in the entire NFL. If that's the case, and you have this wide open NFC South, you have some of these dome games, obviously Carolina not a dome team, but you have both the Falcons and the Buccaneers out there. You have a good environment for scoring in that division. I think we could see a Carolina Panthers team that's really pretty exciting this year. I agree with all that. I want to say I went through my projections, emphasize that my receiving stuff focuses back, or builds back to the quarterback efficiency. Career high yards per attempt for Bryce Young 6.3. I'm actually projecting a pretty huge bump to 7.1 because it's the best wide receiver she's had, for sure. You're expecting more routes out of coca out of those guys. Still only got him to 3750 pass yards. His career high pass yards per game last year was 188. This is not a guy who's been a high volume player. They just do not run a lot of plays. They're still slow paced. Even if they have a higher pass rate, the PRO, we element of it. I think you made some compelling cases there. Sean Bad news, Kenyns to Deque went, Terrence Ferguson went, a bunch of receivers just flew off the board. We are back up. Bryce Young did make it back. So the one thing the room was like, you guys, I mean, if you want that player, you can have him. We are pretty sad now that we could have had Kenyns to Deque and Bryce Young instead of CJ Stroud and KDOT. And I mean, this is the KDOT in spot. You're not going to put that on me when you didn't tell me the sedique thing until after you decided that I wasn't going to let you take him. You didn't even mention him. Yeah, I mean, KDOT into a pretty viable pick here. I mean, Friar Mooth has to find pick ahead of Aughton too. I've gotten you way on to KDOT. I knew this was going to happen. I said it from the beginning. I was like, I only wanted to take Aughton in one very specific situation. And now we're the KDOT guys. Okay, you clicked Friar Mooth there. The guy that we both liked quite a bit more. Friar Mooth is a way better long view, actual talent and player. Now you don't really like a mech. My perception on the KDOT thing is you're like, "Whoa, if this is a way I could play this passing game and not have to think about it, I'm like a booka, that's very favorable." Anyway, we add Pat Friar Mooth and do a few more audio listeners. They're not watching this on YouTube. Shout his laugh quite a bit of my last few assertions. So I think they're hitting pretty close to on the nose. We can take Bryce Young at this point. I just wanted to say we're down to Bryce, Geno Smith, Fernando Mendoza, Tuha, DeShon Watson, etc. Since our Stroud Peck, Daniel Jones, Jacobi Brissette, Cam Ward, Sam Donald and Aaron Rogers all went. And so we only have the two quarterbacks. It's a 20 round draft. I do think you probably want to try to get to three if you can. At this point, the fact that Bryce Young is a very likely 17 came starter is quite meaningful. And the concerns I have on a full season perspective on play volume and some of those things, I mean, when you talk about Bestball, talk about any time that his situation does elevate. He has the efficient receivers as you described. I think it's a pretty strong spike week profile, you know, QB3, 15th round pick. I'm pretty into it. You know, when we took Stroud, it felt pretty flat. It feels pretty flat again now. This next tier of running back might get wiped through a little bit. You have a lot of running backs in the queue. We took Friar Mooth. We could also take Otten because Ferguson and Siddiq both went. We could also just wait for Stowers as our fourth tight end. I mean, I don't feel like with the two early tight ends and Warren and Fannen that we need both Friar Mooth and Otten in this range, I guess I'm not really seeing any reason not to take Bryce Young here as much as I was out on him. What do you think? Do you see a reason not to? Well, you and I both like Dylan Samson. He's usually gone. He has an ADP early in 14. This is also sort of a weird one where even on the same team, I don't have, I mean, the price on Jonah Coleman at this point, I think that there are plenty of scenarios where the season plays out at Coleman and RJ have me both score a lot of points. Yeah. So I think that those two running backs are also compelling in addition to Bryce Young. What do you like structurally? I mean, I guess I'm more concerned structurally. I think those are both good picks at running back. Let's go with Coleman here. Give ourselves a little bit more. Again, I think it gives you safety at running back. I think it gives you upside. These guys are going to be hitting different weeks. I think it gives you that fun. Sort of weekly floors. You're trying to make sure you get running back points. And I don't know. I just, if Jaden Daniels stays healthy, Bryce Young is irrelevant. If he gets hurt, then you're trying to win without one of your early picks based on the backs of CJ Stroud of Bryce Young. That also doesn't seem like a company. I think actually in a tournament format, it's more compelling to have Bryce Young because you could have either Young or Stroud with this sort of one-off week that carries you through. Also, it'll be more compelling to have Young in a tournament format if we had a Panther. Yeah, I mean, I thought there was more just that it's a 20 round format. So, so confining yourself to a two-quarter back build is a little bit unnecessary. I mean, like a lot of extra volume at the other positions is helpful, but it isn't. You're probably going to wind up with some zeros and some of those things. You could do some things now, though, with the flexibility of extra running backs and receivers like take both Harvey and Coleman. And I think you're right. There's a lot of scenarios where they both hit, but you're also naturally building in some, you know, a bit of an insurance policy type thing. Like if Harvey were to suffer an injury, I mean, that's a scenario where General Coleman's going to play a lot more. The traditional handcuff concept that we don't play into and is not why we took Coleman, still has some mild benefits in this type of a build where you can, you know, you could say, Hey, if we're taking the picks at values that we like and there's other reasons we're making the picks, I'm not going to say no to something like that. We're not certain in how things are going to play out and we can't be expecting every single pick to be perfect and never get hurt or whatever. And anyway, there's a lot of different ways things can play out, obviously, but setting setting some of those points aside, like through the 20th round, we're going to be able to take some of the running backs that we were like, although I mean, some of these other guys, it's a sharp room. March on Lloyd goes here in the 15th. Think Bigsby goes in the 15th. He's tended to go way too late in in some draft. Samson went a couple picks behind us. Maybe some of the fun late round running backs aren't actually going to stick around like they've been sticking around for a lot this summer. Maybe that's been happening less in drafts as, you know, you've been doing more content, Sean and I've been talking about some of these guys. It's probably not helping. But the third quarterback element just from a structural perspective, I think, is a little bit intriguing. Just, yeah, again, the total points thing. I hear what you're saying about it. Jane Daniel stays healthy and this and that. But like Daniel's got to have a three-week injury plus a buy. And then, yeah, you know, you, you know, having a good third quarterback when you have the 20 rounds to play with, I think probably is going to show favorably in any of the multi-year stuff that you study a lot more than me. So I'm actually mostly just guessing. Yeah, no, the two QBs in the window has always been the route that really works. And I think that three QBs has gotten more and more, has gotten trendier as people are looking for a little bit of that safety, but also just the paths through tournaments, right, where you have different types of combinations of players. We're on any individual week, a QB could score and pull through some teammates pull through the game stack and get you across into another completely different tier of prize, especially when you're outside of that QB window, which is a little bit of the question here, right? Is where do we have Bryse Young? If we don't think that Bryse Young has ceiling, I don't think that he tends to make sense in this type of format, but he has not been drafted. It's certainly not impossible that he comes back to us. He doesn't seem to be someone that anyone in this particular draft is all that fired up about. And then we do have a situation where everyone has at least two. And so once you're to that point, we could see, we could see him come back. So I do think that in 16, we would probably jump on him. Yeah, surprising that he is still lingering there. Stowers, I think, was a player who is a little bit less compelling in full season. and although his price is so cheap that, I mean, you don't have to worry about that aspect of it as much once you get this late, probably young and stowards would be the best case scenario for us as we work our way through. Jayne Blue goes, he's someone that we have some interest in. A name who is going middle of 17, who basically I think is a higher upside version of tank Bixby would be Ray Davis. He's someone who does seem like he's moved up a bit too in the last week or so, as maybe people are placing a little bit more emphasis on that. I don't know that really any of these receivers are compelling, although there is a first round pick still available. The first rounders in 2026 are discounted pretty substantially over the last couple of years, but then part of that is just that the particular guys, that's some real red flags. It's interesting here when you get Antonio Williams ahead, Antonio Williams and Adonai Mitchell ahead of Omar Cooper. That's not actually wrong. I think in some ways it's, but especially the Antonio Williams when I really like, I mean, it's certainly people saying they do not like where Omar Cooper currently is. - Yeah, it's a bit shocking to me on Omar Cooper for sure. He did just go one pick ahead of us. Price Young made it all the way back. And so Sean goes ahead and clicks him quickly there at 16-11. I mean, okay. I will take that, I guess. I'm not gonna argue that boy too much. I don't know that I learned anything about your Bryce Young take. I asked you to clarify it. You gave some really good notes about it of the receivers where I kind of noted that that. He's got a long way to go for the receiving stuff and for the passing volume stuff, even if he hits on some of those, that improvement might still be a problem. But I was into him at the last time that you were like, no, you're into him now. No, I don't want to be into him. Then you give him a huge value somehow. I don't know what's going on. Stowers an interesting pick coming back. I guess I would float that these running backs are pretty interesting as well to try to make sure we get enough depth there. Coleman was the fifth along with Harvey as our second Denver back. We have Bijan, Basel Tutton and Rico Doudal as well. We get back up. We do still have Stowers on the board. You're note that he's not as compelling in a full season perspective, I think is interesting. We do have Warren, Fand and Friar Mooth. It's a pretty strong top three in tight. Of course, you're kind of just thinking flex at this point, but you have Evah Johnson, Demon, Claiborne and Ray Davis in the queue right now. I think Claiborne and Davis especially, I mean, that's to be rude to your Evah Johnson love, but I think-- No, this would be, if it's a running back, this would be Ray Davis. Yeah, I think he's a good pick, don't you? You really want to take Stowers. Well, I think this is the last wrapped up tight end. And so it's kind of a question of if we're going to have a fourth tight end. Is he going to come back? No, you don't think you will. Thanks. All right, click him. Let's do Stowers. OK, so as soon as I get seated on Stowers shot, goes out and takes Ray Davis and then just starts cracking up, he's having a blast, guys. He's having a great time. We were down to three seconds there. Yeah, last time we tried to gamble on Stowers coming back, he didn't make it or-- No, we took him early and then I said after the fact I wish we would have gambled on it, whatever that was. It does seem unlikely it's going to make it back. We're at the 17 or two. We got to get him all the way back to 1811 in a tight end premium where 32 tight ends have already gone. He tends to go, you know, at this point, there are a couple tight ends ahead of him still in ADP, but I'm with you that there's not much more that's draftable at the position. We did Ely Rhaerid in one of our early drafts. As I went through the actual projection process for the Patriots, I was like, why did we draft Ely Rhaerid and then draft? That was my idea. Yeah, man, we could always take Tanner Koziel. He's basically better than Ely Stowers for the record. He's just more buried. Tanner Koziel, best tight end in the NFL. I'm going to find him here to put in the queue. I don't know. It doesn't seem like he's in the NFL. They haven't listed as player 728 in the program. [LAUGHTER] But projected for 11 points. So if we need 11 points-- I'm taking the over. We'll see where Ben Gretch has him in the tight end projections here. He's going to at least-- He doesn't come out on the sheet then I'm going to be absolutely furious. Tanner Koziel, 32 points. That seems-- that seems draftable. That's three times as much as they have in the app here. And I mean, keep in mind, this is a very crowded room. Projections undersell ceiling in those types of rooms. I would break the case that he's one or two injuries away from 50 points. So a weekly blow-up game is what you're projecting. Yes. Yes. No, Koziel's legitimately-- as much fun as we're having. He legitimately really could tie that in profile, but just so many players to project volume for in that Jackson the Lofans. Obviously, if the White receivers get hurt, you wind up with Travis Hunter as potentially running more routes if any of the White receivers misses time. You have this unique fourth receiver that can add routes. As needed, you have Brent Strange, a head of Koziel. And I guess I've strange what a mis-significant time. And he did last year. And some of the work you've done on injuries, Sean has shown that some of those types of injuries are the more concerning things. Strange might be one of these guys that we would be concerned about staying healthy in 2026. If that happened, I mean, the Borkerts are guys like a legit just blocking tight end. I mean, wouldn't Koziel not run a decent amount of routes if Brent and Strange handcuffed. There's the play. There you go. There you go. Brent and Strange was one of the biggest risers in this draft. He went at 812. Mostly the tight ends have gone around ADP, but in a few spots, they've been elevated a bit. Brent and Strange is overall ADP is 1101. So that was certainly a statement picked by that drafter, who also took Brian Thomas. It has leaned in a bit to the Jaguars to give people a little bit of a feel the tight ends who went after our pick, Mike Gisicci, the very next pick, Evan Ingram, later on in that round. We are getting some more rookies in Teterhurst and Zachariah Branch both went. We got a fourth QB, which is something that you had projected of Fernandum and Doza to the drafter who took Pretty, Murray, and Aaron Rogers. We have a pretty fun build out of 12 where-- Yeah, I was just going to ask your thoughts there. That looks interesting. Yeah, that team went just in Jefferson, Tramik Bride, Ladne McConkey, Malik Neighbors, and then took a couple running backs, another tight end, some QBs, et cetera. But from round 10 on, it has gone Blakehor on Malik Willis, Keaton Mitchell, Woody Marks, Tyler Alger, Braylon Allen, Sean Tucker, Olligorden, and Kalen Black that is certainly betting on a bit of a bounce back in running back injuries in 2026, which is certainly something that could happen. Eli Stauer does go in the middle of 18, one pick ahead of David and Joku. We're getting a little thin on the ground here, probably the only draftable or compelling receiver is Pat Bryant. He does finally move into our ADP grid at White receiver 89, and that's deep in the 20th. Don Tavian-Licks, Jeremy Bernard, Cooper Cup, Jalen Noel, Ty Quant Thornton, Christian Kirk, Keenan Allen are the names ahead of Troy Franklin, who I think is the next-- the two Denver receivers are very, very draftable here. Clayborne comes back through Tanner Cosiel still available. Who are you looking at? Cosiel would be the 2011 if he's on the board at all. I like Clayborne quite a bit. I mean, a Clayborne Pat Bryant type of turn. We do already have the six running backs. We only have five receivers. But yeah, I mean, I think Clayborne's a strong pick and at 18/11 after Keaton Allen and Mike Washington, Jordan James, Commandy Vital, Justice Hill, Kaelin Black, and we just got to be 69. I mean, this is an offense where the lead two backs are being drafted really pretty late relative to what their scoring situation should be, because it's hard to bet into Jordan Mason a year after he lost like a ton of snaps, the whole second half of the year, to another guy that it's hard to bet into in Aaron Jones, because Aaron Jones looked so clearly washed, And it's a very old. So yeah, I mean, Joe, for Jones, absolutely terrible. They just cratered and he's well over 30 and you're talking about a tough pick in Jones and undraftable pick really. And then you're talking about Jordan Mason being the beneficiary of that. But he couldn't navigate that last year. Well, and if it's not those two guys, then it kind of has to be the, the rookie to Montclaiborne. So really intriguing RB three to me for an RB 69 price tag. This late fun pick there. I think we're pretty fit to kind of profile that we're looking for in terms of receptions, long speed in an offense that could blow up. I guess my only concern would be that even if you do hit on him in terms of getting some snaps, maybe Kather Murray really, you know, mutes, even the individual game ceiling. Murray is kind of the only guy that you would pick for the Vikings unless you think he's going to be a lot better than the night. You still kind of comes back to that Murray thing for me. But again, this price, all of those things are priced in for Montclaiborne. The guy of Murray, the guy of Murray, of course, is I just need that the season to start. I don't think he's going to be just in Jefferson's undraftable for you now. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, at one 12, there's just no way. Hi, Larry Murray. Even Jordan Addison is going to be undraftable for Sean. All right, we are up. Yeah, Pat Bryant. Gonna make the obligatory Pat Bryant pick. I don't know. Yeah, no, I mean, Pat Bryant makes a lot of sense at this point. He is our sixth receiver. So the squad, Sean through 19 rounds, Jane Daniel, CJ Stratton, Bryce Young. I think it's a good three quarterback build. We did the the the the second and third quarterbacks very cheaply, um, but still got some support in case Daniel does miss a couple of games or different things happen. Obviously, when you when you take a player like Daniel's early, you're thinking real weekly ceiling. I running back B. John Robinson, Baytiel Tutin, RJ Harvey, Rico Dowdell, talked about really liking Dowdell in the mix with Harvey and Tutin earlier. Jonah Coleman, Ray Davis and to Mon Clayborn are the later round running backs. Fun group there. Receivers, AJ Brown, Marvin Harrison, Xavier Worthy, Matthew Golden, Jaden Higgins, and now Pat Bryant. I mentioned earlier, all first round receivers, the first four of them, we just took our second straight second round receiver. Jane Higgins was like what 34th overall or something, Pat Bryant, second rounder as well. If I'm not mistaken, going back to the draft capital well, a little bit, the young upside well, Bryant going into year two, Higgins into year two, Golden into year two, Xavier Worthy into three, Marvin Harrison into three, and then AJ Brown, the elder statesman, um, really like the wide receiver room. And then Tyla and Tyler Warren, Harold Fanon and Pat Freiermuth, Eli Raredin goes off the board. He is no longer an option for us. We had, we decided that we weren't going to go that direction. Sean still not speaking to me because Eli Stowers went off the board. We didn't get Kenyan Sedeek because I didn't read his mind. He decided to tell me after we'd already selected that I wasn't going to let him draft Sedeek. So we didn't get any of the fun Colby Parkinson went early in this one. None of the fun late round tight ends. So then I've been perusing your projections here at the Titan position. And you have Theo Johnson projected ahead of Eli Stowers. You have Elijah O'Royeau in the same area. You have both of those guys ahead of some other names that I find at least, you know, vaguely interesting in terms of guys like Dawson Knox, Charlie Colars getting a little bit of buzz with the chargers. Certainly you had them projected ahead of some of these late names who've been joking about. You had them projected ahead of Eric. All are either of those two guys, players that you would be interested in at the 2011 Theo Johnson. Yeah. And so Elijah O'Royeau, I may be projecting too far of a step forward. I'm not entirely sure. There's a little bit of me going people are too high on AJ Barner, Elijah O'Royeau could play more in year two, et cetera. Theo Johnson. Yeah. I mean, it's a good case. Like I thought I people were too high on Isaiah likely the whole time. Theo Johnson played a lot last year. He had a real connection with Jackson Dart that I wrote about in field tippers at the end of the season when I try to capture some of the in season stealing signal stuff. He jumped from an 11.7 targets per out as a rookie, which obviously not good to 16.9%. A lot more palatable for a tight end that also had an eight jump and was above average because he's an athletic player. He had some decent ball in hand as well if I'm not mistaken. And not great, but not terrible. His yards per target, both years has been pretty okay. He actually has made some plays in the ball decently. And the fact that he had a little bit of a year to not break out, but step forward where he earned real volume. Isaiah likely coming in. People are saying he's going to run all these routes. He's going to be the clear number one. This that the other thing. I mean, I just think it's odd to assume that when you're talking about the coach, you always used him in a bit role being the one who brought him in in John Harbaugh. He's like, yeah, I mean, we've always had a good role for this guy. And I'm going to keep using him that way. I mean, that's the way that I would read that. So pretty much since the Isaiah likely thing, I've been signing with a giants. I've been, I've been having a hard time understanding why people have him as like a top 10 tight end. I think that's a really steep price in part because I do think Phil Johnson's still going to run 367 routes as a rookie 427 last year. And year two. And he's not like he's not been bad. He's he's not been great, but he took a big step forward. Like I said, and there does seem to be a little bit of a connection with Jackson Dart. So I will say, Sean, I love how much you're using my projections. I always talk about how little I use them. The readers of the newsletter will laugh about that. And then at least someone's good getting some. This is this is some serious marketing here. I love the projections. I'm trying to find our, I mean, you've got savior, the get projected for some points here. Am I missing any to use the search function? What do you think about our actual third receiver for the Panthers? And then also, oh, no, you have a Jalen Noel projection that is not that far behind Pat Bryant. And we obviously have CJ Stroud on this team. Any thoughts on the receivers who go with our low scoring quarterbacks? Noel, I do think it's draftable. It's skepticism and tank Del's health. He went in the 16th round here. People are optimistic about Del. I just for Del, he's always been a really undersized player as well. So you have to get back. He has to be effective when he gets back from that really gruesome knee injury. And then he has to stay healthy at that point as well. And they do like Noel, Noel more, more clearly like has a slot role to me as well. I mean, I know they'll, they'll move a lot of these guys around, but he seems like the, the nice fit with Higgins and Nico. So when I went to the projections, I was like, yeah, there's a, there's a real role here as a slot receiver. Who was it? Are you? Yeah, Brazil here at 84 points. That's. Yeah, I have. I have brazil white away is ahead of Zalor. Yeah, I like, I like brazil to be meaningfully better than Le Get. Yeah, I have Le Get for some points, as you said, but as the clear wide receiver four further down than the rookie brazil and way behind MacMillan and Coker, I mean, I have 6% of the targets for Le Get. So yeah, I've got him involved in the extent that like he's, he's a wide receiver on the depth chart. But I probably have one of the lower Xavier Le Get projections of any one who did full season projections. How would guess? I mean, I have him for 30 targets after he's been, you know, a former first round pick that's been pretty involved in his first couple of years. So anyway, if you wanted to do brazil, I'd be fine with that as well. But yeah, that you got to be a little excited about the Theo Johnson thing. So either, either direction, Elijah Royo did go. Either direction. I would probably do no over brazil if we went wide receiver. But I think either we could do brazil guys are rookie upside swing. I guess I would probably do brazil actually because we don't have the bad first year yet. That is a good point. Yeah, you prefer him or Theo Johnson. I don't know. What do you think structure? We have six receivers, three tight ends. I don't think it matters. A ton, four tight ends usually is the preference in this format. But we do have three very good ones. Let's do brazil. He's going to elevate Bryce Young. There you go. Now we've got guys to go with all of our quarterbacks. we got the amazing price on price young 16. 11 contrasted with the 13th round ADP. Yeah, the three vertical options. Then perfect construction here. The one on Playboy Ray Davis, Joan of Coleman, we love our zero RB guys. We got, I mean, this is a team with Marvin Harrison and Rico Dattle. So we've got our bases covered. Yeah, we went ahead and took guys that we think suck and then allow ourselves to draft the fun players, like Pat Bryant and other upside swings. Yeah, no, I think it's a really fun team. I just read off the whole roster, obviously. We add Brazill there as the seventh. It's a three, seven, seven, three build. We only do the three tight ends in the end. But I don't think that's a huge issue. I don't think we like had to get Theo Johnson into this build by any means, but good call on digging into the projections for guys that had potential roles in my projections process that maybe aren't drafting, being drafted that way. I do think, you know, I certainly, like I said, the a Royo thing a little bit more of uncertainty on my part, but the Theo Johnson thing I feel solid about. I feel solid about Brazill being the more meaningful guy. I mean, now that we've taken him, I mean, maybe Leigh Ged actually starts the year as the third receiver in Brazill has to work his way in and this is a total points league. So maybe that's not like the best way to go about it there, but he is a fun, he's a fun play with young for the perspective that we're playing young, believing he has the best receivers he's ever had and things are gonna get a lot better. And if Brazill's good, like you add him to Coker and Macmillan and yeah, I mean, that's now your cooking. So, anyway, I would really like to theme for the tournament as well. I think it has some combinations there, but those players that would be a little bit unique and also could potentially pull you through. No, we didn't do any game stacking elements because of the full season component or at least we didn't intentionally do any. But with the 2-2-2 format, the 2-0-2 Wider-Sea-Rose, two flexes and then the elite tie-down wiping out a little bit of the necessity for additional positions used there or roster slots used there, we had the three different buys at both quarterback and tie-down, which I do think is important if you're gonna stay with the three. Because we had AJ Brown and Marvin Harrison, I think coming back was Xavier Worthy and Matthew Golden gets us off to a fast enough start and then as things develop, you have that late season upside too. So I think we've got early season, late season. We've got the right mix with the QBs, we have the right balance across positions. This is a lot of fun. Yeah, it was fun. We took some different guys. We're still kind of working out some stuff. Sean, we gotta start doing some main events. That's the next thing. We didn't do any early ones this year. We will start dropping those soon. And then I keep getting asked, as I always do this time of year, about the round one and two, 2027 drafts. We usually do that, 2027 ADP rounds one and two. We usually do that at least a week or two into August, but we'll get that on the calendar. That will be coming our predictions for who will be next year's stars. People want to learn earlier. Feel like we got a little bit of a preview. Maybe not the first two rounds, but maybe you're just missed category. I loved how optimistic you were in discussing Matthew Golden. It always kind of cracks me up. Because when I draft with Column, he's a huge green bit, green bit, packer span. And it's not as optimistic. He's pretty high on Tucker craft. I've got some concerns about how the volume can really hold up for craft, especially coming off of that injury. Basically Ben, if you tell me that any of these packer skies are really gonna hit, I would be excited because I like Jordan Love, and I wanna see them come out of their show. I don't know the Golden's gonna be in my justice category. I'm mostly with the Golden It's, 'cause I think he might be bad too. I wanna be clear. I both see with him it's the price is just absurd. We got him as the wide receiver 50. I mean, we're talking about a first round pick going into year two where I think there's some real contextual stuff that he could be a real hit in that range. I don't know that that would make him a first or second round pick for 2027 just because of some of the even more concerning long-view stuff. I think you would have to be such a smash to get all the way up into those ranges. But man, it is gonna be fun. I mean, I'm looking at the first and second round of this draft that we just did. There were only eight wide receivers 'cause we do the tight end premium. We got three tight ends up there. I'm sure we'll have some tight ends in our 2027 field. 13 running backs here. The running backs have taken over the first couple around again here in 2026. What does that mean? What will it mean for what types of builds win? That's a lot of stuff that we're gonna talk about. As we continue to progress through the off season, it's not an immediate, hey, fate early running backs and go do zero or B. It's not that. It's not, you know, that's not possible. But you get some real wide receiver values as we talked about with that position being pushed down. Even in a room like this, where they were going higher than ADP, we took Tutan in the fourth shot. And last year when we did that exercise, I had Tutan as my two-twelfth. We had talked about it a little bit throughout the season. He was the guy, rookie basial Tutan, I thought as a ninth round picker, whatever, would jump all the way to the second round the next year. Travis ETN was a free agent. It was one of my big talking points. Tutan had about as bad of a rookie year as he could have. And he still made it. - Still four throws. - That's still more than the fourth round. - Well, and one of the things too, again, when you're talking about where some of these guys went and what expectations are, Luther Burton also actually had a pretty bad rookie season in terms of getting out there on the field, running routes, generating a large number of targets, showing that he could do more than underneath manufactured stuff, which was the concern coming out of Missouri. And yet because he did the one thing well, and because they got rid of DJ Moore, I mean, you're talking about early fifth round. The listeners all know this, right? But you're talking about last season, Matthew Golden goes 23rd overall, Jaden Higgins goes 34th, Luther Burton goes 39th. We were able to get those two guys who went immediately ahead of him in rounds 11 to 12. And their situation is slightly worse and their performance in many ways was not compelling. But the thesis for those three guys heading into year two is closer together than those prices. And I think that's true, even if you like Luther Burton. - Yeah. - Which we do? - Yeah, when we do, we do. And I think you said that all very well, 'cause it doesn't mean you have to be completely out on Bardner anything, but it certainly makes Golden and Higgins compelling plays at their prices by comparison. Any final thoughts? - What are you thinking? I'm ready for bed, Sean. I. - Time for those time. - Well, time for those time. - Get some sleep, recover from your trip. Hopefully everyone enjoyed training camp. - It's going. So we're gonna have lots of fun news to react to. Over the upcoming weeks and shows, we'll do some of those specific, very fun shows that you've mentioned. You've got lots of great content coming out. We have lots of stuff going up over at Rotaviz. You mentioned your show with Jacob, a high-strong land courage, everyone to check that out. Make sure you get over there, get all of your band grouches, especially with such wonderful co-hosts. This was so much fun. Draft over with the FFPC. It's a fantastic format. We love you guys. We'll talk to you soon. (upbeat music)