Getting Ready for the Ryder Cup with Special Guest Justin Leonard

Welcome to the favorite Chambley. I never thought Brandyl Chambley could love me any more than he already does or did. But when he saw me writing a horse, I am telling you that look was something I've never seen before. Well, I didn't know you had cowboy in you. I was like, you just got up there and got after it. I was like, I never thought that was something that you'd do. You were always so adamant about not getting on a horse, that they scared you, that they were skittish. And I was like, look at this personal sacrifice that this woman has made just to be with her husband in the great outdoors, riding horses. Well, it was a life changing experience. Our last podcast episode, we were coming to you from Montana, but we had just arrived to Mountain Sky guest range. And so we really hadn't done all that we were there to do that week. So we're going to recap a little bit of that. And then we also spent a week in Wyoming. So we've been full throttle cowboy cowgirl stuff, due to ranches, riding horses, playing golf, fly fishing, all that stuff. We need to talk about your horse in Montana. Well, yeah, when they asked me how experienced of a rider I was, I said, well, I grew up riding horses. I rode competitively. I did a lot of dumb things on horses. I guess I should have said, but I haven't written in 50 years. And why didn't you say that? Cause I feel like that's pretty obvious because they just immediately jump in and go, oh, yeah, then we've got the perfect horse free. They said, Finn, I felt it was like, Finn, like, what kind of name is that? If I in Finn, I never heard that name. I they're naming hundreds of horses. I mean, I don't think we can negate the fact that they're just naming horses. I, yeah, you run out of options. I'm sure it had some nostalgic or sentimental value to them. But anyway, the lady that took us out our guide, her name was Meyer. And I mean, this was a horse woman. I mean, she wanted to go. And the other woman riding with it, because there was just three of us. Her name was Christa. And she rode competitively, like almost professionally in events where they jump over five and six foot steeples and do all kinds of crazy things and jump over, you know, bodies of water that are eight feet long. And and I felt like we had just robbed a stage coach and we were running from a posse. They, they just took off running over mountains through forest, jumping streams, and they had these magnificent thoroughbred slash quarter quarter horse looking animals. It was like they were on you saying bolt and I was riding Chris Farley, like my horse was fat. Like all he wanted to do was stop and eat. He didn't want to do anything. He would run like, he would take, I got to get off the off the mark, like the first 10 steps he took were so promising. I thought, man, we're going this horse and I are one. And then he, like you've ever been on a golf cart, you're going downhill in the governor kicks and like this is what my horse would do. Meanwhile, they would round corners, crest hills, and I'd be all alone and and you know, along those lines, because there's bears everywhere out there. We were talking about what happens when we come across a bear and Christa who very knowledgeable had just read a book because I think she'd been a glacial national park that no person had ever been eaten by a bear on horseback. Now I couldn't Google this in the moment, but she was adamant that that was the case. I was like, well, that doesn't sound right because bears can run like 30, 40 miles an hour. I think a bear can damn near out run. Certainly. So I said, I said, well, the joke is that all you have to do is just outrun the slowest person in your group to keep from getting eaten by a bear. And I was like, so I know we're going to be last. So this is, this is problematic for me. I was like, then actually about halfway through this. I was like, all I actually have to do is just jump off because I'm pretty sure I can run fed. And I was like telling them that they were on sea biscuit. I was on sea brisket. This is like, this horse was so fat I could barely get my legs around it. And we go to water. You know that ad is about you can lead a horse to water. You can't make him drink this horse. I let him to water. He wouldn't drink. I would want to run. He'd want to eat. It's like whatever he would wait. We'd have this every down then we'd come to a path that was like five, six feet wide. But of course on either side are stickers and twigs and branches and brush and needles. And my horse would try to go right along the side trying to scrape me with all branches and the needles and like try to moving back to the left. Well, you probably knew you were thinking in your head. You fat thing. What are you doing? I did. I got to admit I did actually. I was like, Finn. By the way, I said to them, what is Finn short for finished last? They were like, no, they're like, no, that's a great horse. That's why he always ride that horse. And I was like, well, maybe I should have told you that I hadn't written in any capacity for 50 years. They were like, no, you did great. Anyway, we came back after that day that he loaked when out with them on fan, you know, it was he had everyone in stitches at dinner that night. He was retelling and, you know, with some wine and some drinks and just going on and on. I was like, I tell you right now, my horse right now is out there still and everybody's hey, you know, that's why your horses are fast. That's why Finn can't outrun me. It was like the theme of the week. We were talking about it all week. And yeah, what he would do is anytime we'd stop. Finn would start nuzzling the other horses. I was like, he's out here trying to get, you know what? I was like, could we just mention to the task at hand, letting me have some fun riding on horseback. I did suggest another horse next day. I hated to hurt Finn's feelings. But I was like, he probably just wanted a mental health day anyway. Yes. And some more food. So they gave me a horse the next day. Mick dreamy dreamy. I was like, who is naming these horses? No, that's a great name, especially you Mick dreamy. You were on Mick dreamy. It was pretty. Actually, Mick dreamy was a fabulous horse. Mick dreamy could run and you had Mick dreamy for the next two days, right? Yeah, we bonded. Absolutely. No, I had Robin and Robin was great. And but it really was a life changing experience. And the people that sort of helped coordinate and set this up. That's what they said to us before we went my old boss at avid golfer. Before I went to golf channel, I worked for avid golfer, the Arizona chapter. And so he helped set that up. And he told us ahead of time. He's like, you know, not to oversell it, but it will be a life changing experience. And I've never done anything like that. And Brandy, you've written horses. You grew up writing them. I mean, not in the years, but exactly. So even you were touched and you walked away from that whole experience just blown away a hundred percent going back next year. Right now that you're. Oh, it wasn't just, you know, the horse riding you you learn the two step, which by the way is like learning to add one and one. Like we, like, but we watched YouTube videos just to be a big Western thing one night where everybody's going to two step. Everybody tells us. And I was like, I was like, well, I grew up in Texas. I did a lot of what I would call two stepping in college. But and two steps as college. I was like, let's you two how to do it. And they have 15 minute videos on. And here is what two stepping is. You don't need listen. And then two steps fast. Like literally that's it. The most uncomplicated dance in the history, 15 minute long YouTube videos on you, you, you hold dirt left hands. You put your arm around their back. You take two slow steps to fast steps to slow steps to fast. I was like, we literally YouTube that. I was like, and so, so I'm like, that is so not us. I can't. I couldn't keep. So we were doing it that evening. There's a big they move all the furniture in this big grand room and everyone's dancing. And so we were two stepping. But then after a while because again, we're two stepping sort of side to side in one little area. And you're meant to just rotate. And then the counterclockwise on a dance floor. But we didn't want to run in anybody. So one of the couples there. And I mean, all the most everybody there. They are horse, love and people. These are country. There's city people, but they're country people. And this one couple there is very pedantic about dancing so much so they do it like four times a week when they're at home. And they came over to us and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, you guys. It's two slow steps and two fast steps. And I was like, yeah, we got we got it. Thank you. But what we wanted to do was spin and twirl and throw and flip. And I got all the twin. I was like, that is kind of bullshit. I was like, two slow steps too fast. No, not our speed. Right. Yeah. We're spinning and dancing and for silly we're laughing. And we're wearing a little corner. We're not going to hit anybody. You know, we're over there a little corner without nobody saw us. We're just doing I think you thought we'd one dancing with the stars. Like, well, I don't know what that two stepping what's the buzz about that. That is the least complicated. No disrespect to the two steppers out there, but seemingly boring dance in the history of dances. Yeah. So that wasn't our speed. But but. And then we also hiked and went one day one afternoon we went on a hike out in the wilderness. We brought bear spray, which is highly recommend anyone who goes outside anywhere, even to the grocery store, take bear spray with you. You never know in Montana Wyoming Idaho. So we went on this walk out in nature, just brand all myself. We took bear spray. And then we're out there. And it's a little bit breezy. And so I'm I'm saying a brand all I'm like, well, okay, so if a bear comes at me, you know, what if I'm downwind of the bear. And then I spray the bear spray and then it just like comes back in my face. And so brand all right then and there. And then later we are talking to some other people that run the guest ranch and some other friends of ours that were there. And they were all making fun of me. They're like, you really think if a bear is coming at you. You're going to consider where the wind direction is you're going to reach down, pick up some grass, toss it in there, and figure out. Yeah, I was like, well, I think it's a valid question. What do you need to do is run around and get get upwind of the bear, Bailey. So that the spray will do off to waft towards the bear. These are questions that people need to add. But it did, but that did prompt the proper way to shoot the bear spray. Yes, and how is that, which by the way, we didn't know until after we'd had the hike, which would have been good to know before the high. Go down low with it and get it to waft up. Now this is great in theory, but I have a feeling when a bear is charging at you 30 miles an hour. And there's like a safety thing on there. I did think that we should stop and practice, like get the damn thing off. You know, like Wild Wild West shoot this stuff. Who can shoot it the quickest? Well, so that was another thing. So we were talking to someone who runs, helps run the guest range. And she said that everyone who comes every season, all the workers there, they do have, they have a mechanical bear and they take classes where they practice not with actual bear spray. We should have been with the mechanical bear. But so then the people that we are having the conversation with, they pointed out, they're like, oh my gosh, you should offer that to guests as well. What fun would that be to sign up and take a class to practice a mechanical bear. There's some liability there. People start spraying themselves with actual bear spray. What would deodorant. Yeah, like aerosol. Yes, anything. No, you got to get the orange clip off the damn bear. I know that's what I'm saying. You got to know how it's going to come out. I still don't know. Does it come out in a stream? Does it come out like in a, like a huge curtain? And the first time you find that out, you don't want an actual bear charging at you. Did you see because we actually did have a bear run in front of us the first day we were there. It was a black bear. We were in a car that ran faster than secretariat and certainly faster than Finn. Oh hell, he didn't eat in Finn and just carried on. And there was a big barbed wire fence on one side of the road and he went through. He didn't jump the fence. He didn't do the fausberry flop over the fence. He ran right through the barbed wire fence. The barbed wire wires are maybe a foot apart. The bear was, I don't know, five, six feet tall or fat. And he just went right through the barbed wire. Right. A big deal. No fear. It's not even fair. Like these things can run like 40 miles an hour. They can climb trees. They can swim. Like there's zero chance we're living if we are confronted with. So we certainly need practice with the mechanical bear. We had a phenomenal time in Montana, but we weren't done with our cowboy cowgirl action. We came home, unpacked, repacked. And then we went to Wyoming, which I'd never been to Montana or Wyoming. So it's my first time. We went to Jackson because Brandon was playing with his former college teammate at the University of Texas in a little pro member. That's right. Lawrence field. What I remember about Lawrence when we were in college was the rest of us were hitting golf balls 24/7 or two stepping at the renegade. Oh, the renegade. Lawrence would always come to breakfast with the Wall Street Journal. Always had the Wall Street Journal. On trips, he was reading business and finance books. Well, he's made gazillions dollars and can join a club to cause a million dollars. And the rest of us are allowing trying to get in the member member with or the member gets rewards. So yes, he invites us up to shooting star, which is I had heard about it. But it's, you know, I've not played, you know, I'm not going to say I've played 30 Tom Fosio golf courses, but I played enough of them. I never played Shadow Creek in Vegas. But I thought it was one of the best golf courses, one of the prettiest courses I've ever played. I think I don't know how it couldn't be Tom Fosio's best course. Bunkering was incredible. And the greens were the, actually, the fairways were the firmest fastest tightest bent grass. Best fairways I've ever seen in my life. The greens were the firmest smoothest fastest 15 plus on the stint meter greens I've ever seen in my life. Tell them the story about you and Lawrence, didn't you all nearly like hole out and then what happened to both of your golf balls? Oh, yeah, we did actually. I forgot which part three it was, but, you know, there's altitude there. So you, you know, you try to factor that in and hit it. So I didn't quite get the math down, I think, after three days, but nonetheless, I smoked an eight iron. It was like 175 or something. I thought it would be plenty enough lands in the middle of the green. Some 30 feet left of the hole and starts trickling. And I think it's going to be going to go in the hole. And I actually quit watching it because I thought it stopped. And then I heard somebody go, whoa, whoa, whoa, I look up and it's just still trickling, trickling, trickling. Comes down off the front of the green, goes down and into the water. That sucks. Then Lawrence gets up. It's the exact same shot. Again, I stopped watching. Then I hear, whoa, whoa, whoa. Does the exact same thing my day to go down there and our balls were touching within the hazard, like an inch away from the water. But down in depay, we couldn't, but that pretty much summed it up for our golf there. Yeah, well, I texted Brandal one of the afternoons and I was like, hey, how's it going? And he's like, oh, I have like six holes left and Brandal doesn't drink on the golf course. Certainly not in an event or even a member guest or anything like that. Rarely drinks in the golf course, even playing for fun with me. But he was like, yeah, I just got a bourbon. I was like, oh, it's going like that. Is it? Well, I definitely don't drink on the golf course in tournaments and I haven't had a soda. And I don't even know how long. I mean, six months, eight months, I don't even know. Yes, I had a Dr. Pepper in a bourbon because I was like, I've got to have some fun out here. Because it wasn't with the golf. Anyway, the place was amazing. One of my buddies was fly fishing while he was playing. Got like a big old trout. And you did another first in Jackson Hole. I was out playing. I came in big cocktail party on the patio loads of fun. And you come prancing up like a little show. Um, then be aware of your wives when they, when you're playing golf or you're working, you're busy. And they go out and are going to have like a fun day on the town. Women take note, do this. What I'm about to tell you to do. So yes, I was hanging out with Lawrence's wife, Nikki. And, um, you know, we went to the gym in the morning, we walked dogs, we rode bikes, we did all that blah, blah, blah. And then at shooting star, they have sloshies. So they're becoming more and more popular. We just talked about like the frozen transfusions at Oakmont last trip. Last podcast. And so they have what they call sloshies frozen. It was like a mint lemonade. It was a transfusion or a frozen mango spicy margarita thing. So one of the days I had one sloshie and then Nikki drove us into town and we were just going to shop and look around, look at art and whatever. She took me into her favorite boot store. And if I had had two sloshies, I might have walked out of there with three pairs of boots, two hats and who knows what else. But instead, I only walked out only I walked out with a pair of boots, my first ever pair of boots, which again, two weeks ago, I had never been to Montana, never ridden a horse, never been to Wyoming. And all of a sudden, here I am and I have a very nice pair of boots and real quick one more thing when I was at the Ryder Cup in Rome in 2023, similar thing. I went to lunch alone. So actually, I have no one to blame this on, but myself. I went to lunch alone. I had pizza and a glass of wine in Rome. I went to the Christian Dior store and I bought a tote bag. Those are my two purchases. So again, men, do not let your wives out into the wild and women absolutely go out into the wild. I think from now on, I'm assisting you come watch us play when we're playing bad golf when you come up on the set. No, but I walked in. I was wearing the boots that evening to the party after Brandt will play golf. I made no mention of this. He had no idea. I didn't text him. I didn't tell him anything. And I walk in and you didn't think I was going to notice boots. Like you're already tall, the boots, you know, with my jeans tucked in the tall, I did they had long horn. That was a that was a fun night orange in stitching. Yeah. In addition to your little fashion show that you gave us the impromptu fashion show of the boots. I think, you know, I think a few people had sloshies. I would call them, you know, schnockers. They did get you snockered and we had a what was that like a wedge contest out there, which was, you know, I was inside having dinner. It was fun. You know, I could hear all the fun festivities out there and then they came in and they were like, hey, would you come call these professional shots? And, you know, normally when I'm about to have a mic in my hand, I think it's a good idea to not have had a drink. But anyway, we had a lot of fun Cody Gribble, a long horn, fabulous guy. He's a lefty. And I was calling him and he was like, no, no, no, no, I'm not hitting the loan. You got to come out here and hit with me. So it was dark. And he hit lefty. I hit Roddy like, you know, right beside simultaneously. I couldn't tell where they went. But it was dark. Yeah. But everybody declared Cody the winner, which was good. He had a lot of fun. It was, we saw Danny McCarthy there and his new wife, Sam. Danny was fun to hang out with and talk to. Well, it was cute. Sam, his wife, Danny's wife, came up to me and she's like, oh, I really like your husband because he says really nice things about my husband. She was like, can I go meet him? Well, it's easy to say nice things about Danny. He's the best putter in the world. And that's not it. Like by my my my my my own. So my buddy Lawrence and I were on the green every time Danny was putting me were hawking him talking to him a little bit. Yeah. And we saw a number of tour players there. But Ricky Barnes was there was good to get a chip with him. He's a lot of fun. And then the director of golf at shooting stars. This guy named Ben Paulin and Ben won the PGA National Club Pro last year. Got in, I think six to events this year. He's getting in five so far. He gets in one more. And I think he's made the cut in four or five of them. And on the last day, they set the pens up in the most difficult spots on every green. I mean, I feel like if you broke 80, you were doing well because it was ridiculous. I saw Ben afterwards. I was like, good gracious. What a course. I was like, how'd you do? He goes, I made eight birdies. I shot 65. Oh my gosh. Okay. I am clearly out of my league. I need to practice more. You were not playing the same course. But it was it was great to meet Ben. I also met Jared Jones is the director of instruction at Syodo, where the US senior senior US open is going to be next year. I have to qualify for the US senior open. But I am going to try to qualify next year if I can't. Oh, good. I love that. I love you playing more because I'd love to go up in the place I auto and spin some Tom and Jared. I really like to. I was just going to ask you real quick talk about the proprietary grass, the owner, John Reaser. We got to talking to the owner of the family that bought this land like generations ago and then built this course on it. 15 years ago. But I asked me, I've never played Fairways this good in my life. Danny McCarthy is playing a lot more professional golf than I certainly am. Dakota Gribbles fed this. We get barns of this. They said these are the best fairways that ever played. I was like, how in the world do you get fairways this good, this tight, this farm. And still have some similar green to them. And he said it was actually. Tom Fosio's team an agronomist decided to try to come up with a perfect mix for the terrain. And the soil and the chemistry of the soil. So it took him some time to come up with their own proprietary mix of turf, which. It sounded very scientific and very difficult, but makes sense because I've never played turf like this anywhere. And the driving range was like that, the chipping area was like that. So it was a massive place. So incredibly well conditioned golf course out of blast. It was a wonderful couple of weeks. And again, the combination of both Montana and Wyoming is just life changing and we, you know, we can't wait to get back there. We've even discussed next summer, you know, instead of going to Europe, which we typically do before and after the open were over there for quite some time, maybe, you know, heading up to that between those trips. It's not we've been we've been paying attention to golf or you have when we were home for a couple days in between there. Oh, yeah. So a couple of weekends ago for the Irish open brand. He wakes up early pretty much every morning and comes out and studies. And so he was doing some rider cup prep and it was the Sunday morning of the Irish open. And so I wake up and I just turn on or, you know, I look at my phone to see if Rory's in the mix and turns out he is. So I turn on the TV. So I'm watching the last couple of holes and I see Rory. I'm in the bedroom still and brandles out in his office working. And so I see Rory. I watched the last hole and he eagles the 18th hole, which matches the low score at the time, which eventually gets him into the playoff. So when he does that, I come out and I see Brandal and I say, oh, my gosh, Rory just eagles the last hole to tie and force a playoff. And Brandal just sort of dead pans. He's not that impressed. He's just like, yeah, that's what great players do. They eagle their final hole. And I'm like, whoa, that's not a normal reaction. Like the normal reaction is, oh, wow, really? Oh, cool. Maybe I'll turn on and watch the play, you know, play off. He's like, yeah, that's what great players do. And it took me a second. And I was like, oh, good gosh, because we had played nine holes Saturday afternoon, the day before. And Brandal had eagled his final hole. He hold out from the fairway. I'm not saying it's not impressive. But he was so dogmatic about, yeah, what's the big deal? You got to close out of match. And so Brandal hold out from the fairway. You were too up on me at the time. Yeah, to still we squared the match. And I was like, oh, my, we did not go into playoff. He's got to rise to the occasion. I was like, here it is. It's good to see Rory, you know, getting with it. I'm like, I can do this. Surely more we can do it. But so unfortunately, right. This is before he goes to Wyoming. And the man that I saw stripping the golf ball. So he hold out two days. He hold out that hole. Number nine. And then you almost had a hole in one. You were like two inches dead center. He had a four and about a foot. Yeah. Okay. It was a foot. I guess. Oh, yeah. But you were striping it. This sums up golf. So that man did not make this way to Wyoming. And he might ask by their hand the Jackson hole. But this is why I quit. No, I think I'm why I quit. But I should have quit. No, that's why you should still play because you still got it. And that's what people say all the time when they see you play, they're like, oh, you can still play. I don't think anybody was saying that. So you have been doing some writer cup research. So this is a long horn and writer cup heavy episode. It is. We got Justin Leonard. We're going to have a few minutes. Can't wait to talk to Justin Leonard. This is the last episode last podcast before the writer cup. So is there any sort of last minute things you've been studying researching last thoughts on? Yeah. I mean, given the fact that so many US players just played in Napa and they played well for the most part. Obviously Scotty won. We're going to talk a little bit more in depth about Scotty with Justin in a little bit because they both had the same teacher and Randy Smith. But when you look at how well the US team played versus I would say, apparently on the whole the European team played at the BMW PGA championship. Once again, the European side is is is predicted to lose. But I just say defeat has been predicted of the Europeans more often than Rory hits 300 yard drives. But on the whole over the last four years, the Europeans have outputted and out gutted the US team and far more often on foreign soil. And almost every single time they've been the underdog. I mean, when you look at it and you go through every single aspect of each player and the team. As an average, of course, the US side is marginally better off the tee into the green around the greens and on the greens. When you add it all up, yeah, they're just there, you know, a little bit better when it comes to every aspect of the game. But I would say that Europe is a little bit better at the Ryder Cup and they they just are and when you when you put it all together and you look at the talent versus the passion that the Europeans have for the Ryder Cup team. You know, heart beats talent almost every time. So I still think that, you know, Europe is going to come in there and they're going to be the underdogs. You know, I think there's I hope it's close. I do because the last five haven't been. But I think there is sort of this not talked about, but we'll probably talk about it the week of the Ryder Cup. But just this underline element might percolate to some extent and keep the fans as being as partisan as they otherwise might be players have played for the honor of playing for their country. And in so doing carrying the hopes of millions of people as you embody the the values and the spirit of your country on the world stage. This year, the US team has demanded to be paid, asking to be paid for the privilege of representing your country is just antithetical to the honor of it. And you know, it'd be like you do a favor for a friend. And then afterwards you asked to get paid for it. Tell me that doesn't dishonor the gesture. And I think that that that will prove to be some corrupting element to the US side. And I think that I think it won't sit particularly well with people who are profoundly patriotic in the New York area. And I think that will percolate and I think that will have an effect on the Ryder Cup. So again, you can look at the paper, you can look at the average world ranks, but the Ryder Cup is about so much more than that. It is about group dynamics. And I do like, you know, the message that Keegan Bradley is setting. I do like the tone he's setting. He did something. I'm going to give him a lot of credit. He did something that I thought was one of the most amazing gestures. He invited Larry Nelson to the ambassador to the Ryder Cup. Now Larry asked if you don't know the story. Larry Nelson and his not only did he fight for his country on the front lines of Vietnam. He got, you know, out of. After he served his country and came back home, he decided to take up golf at 21 years of age. And in a very short period of time, got on the PGA tour when the US open when a couple PGA's. Always handled to himself with great class and grace was 9 and 0 in his first nine matches in the Ryder Cup. An absolute through and through gentlemen, you can't find a better person. Rumor has it. He was supposedly given the nod for the captaincy in the mid 90s. Whoever, you know, whoever wanted it went to him and said, if you'll do it, if you let me take this one, I'll you'll get the next one. He agreed the PGA of America didn't then make him the captain. They never came back and made him the captain. And it's just a huge blight in the history of the Ryder Cup that Larry Nelson was never made captain. Keegan Bradley. And I think in some way to sort of close that circle has invited him to be an ambassador. So I love everything that Keegan's done. I really do. And so, you know, Keegan may be able to set the right tone. I think that's important to tone down, you know, what could be maybe some over zealousness. Or, you know, we get a little bit too patriotic. I'll be interested to talk to Justin Leonard about this about has the Ryder Cup crossed the line of civility. So yeah, lots lots to talk about the Ryder Cup, but but mostly I just hope that it's it's it's close on Sunday. I'm excited to talk to Justin Leonard about that as well coming up next. For listeners out there, I just want you to know right off the top that it was very difficult to get Justin Leonard on this podcast his people and my people were in touch and they said the only way Justin would come on. Is if brandels participation was kept to a minimum. So Justin agreed to come on. Thank you. So just mute. Can we mute Brando on our own. We don't need to do it. Right. We can actually just mute him ourselves. I can walk over or Jean can edit it after the fact and we'll ensure that yeah. These are all common refrains. Obviously just kidding. No, no, Justin, thank you so much for coming on. I love you know, I miss the days when you and Brando were online from that was so much fun. Just off the top was there a moment of debate something that stays with you that you remember about your time working with Brando online from that you still laugh about or think about. Oh, your podcast isn't long enough for me to go through all those stories. I do remember the first, you know, the first few times. Just like we would have a production meeting at noon in our show we weren't on the air until seven or eight o'clock at night. And I thought what am I going to do for seven or eight hours and all of a sudden seven or eight hours goes by and you know it's between. You know the meeting lasts an hour and a half and you're kind of kicking around ideas and then you all kind of go off in your separate ways and. Brando was in the power grid gets overloaded because Brando gets on his computer and starts diving into stuff and and you know so I you know and then I circle back around an hour later and bounce an idea off of him or off a rich and you know Shakespeare rich you know learners over there you know typing some. Beautiful memoir that he's going to read you know that night and it was like it was it was crazy and it was amazing and I thought man this like this takes a lot of time to put together because it's. You know so much the show is so it's it's scripted I mean we write the show there during the day with the help of our producers and then you're trying to find some. You know stats or video to kind of you know emphasize your points and all that stuff and. It really is it's it's amazing and then you know you're done it what nine and ten o'clock at night and you know Brando and Rich are usually going out to dinner and i'm just like i'm done i'm so spent. By the end of all that i went back to my hotel room and just passed out and and but no just a lot of the little you know bounce an ideas off and and you know like it's it's nice to agree but the fun part is when we disagree. And you know when you kind of know it's coming a little bit say you know there were times when I didn't necessarily disagree with Brando but I wanted to and so I just try to kind of provide the other the other side a little bit. Because I we are we talked about a lot that's what really makes good television is when you're getting you know both sides of whatever we're talking about and let the viewers make up their own mind. And so it was it was a lot of fun and then you know you go right into. You know then once the tournament round start and we're going to do the post game stuff and you know Brando looks like a. You know some baseball statistician with his notepads and he's keeping track of. Oh he missed hit this putt I could see it was low and left on the face and like it's unbelievable all of that you know how intensely he watches the coverage and then you're you know you're breaking down and so. You know a lot of great moments and I think at one point through there. I was doing a little bit of live golf before our show and I realized like a lot of the shows especially you know once the tournament starts they kind of write themselves. And and so I would finish my deal and and just stick my nose into you know the live from trailer and then I go get something eat or something and then. Just kind of let it come to me later that night but no it's it's fascinating to watch. You know live TV but yet it's very much you know especially those Monday Tuesday Wednesday shows just you're writing an entire two hour show that day and it's up to the moment present and then you do that's the same thing over the next day. What I remember about you know Justin you know Justin your first year on to it have been 93. 94. 94 first full year but yeah you know I was at UT like a generation before you and then you were so much better of a player than me on the tour. We didn't we didn't fly around in the same circles. So I didn't really know you that well I mean I you know I'd see you come and go on and watch you play. But when I started working with you you know I always look to choose like this super organized just always sort of you know spot on business like guy. But when I started working with you I like first show is like holy this guy's funny is this guy's got a great says the humor. That you know that was you know wonderful and then you were you were so gracious and and fun to work with and you know you put in the time and the effort and you had a knack though. On the air I thought which you know I I willfully admit that I'm not that great at it you have a wonderful knack of being able to criticize players. Without gaining their their their animosity you know you you're very graceful in the way you you navigate that space or maybe be critical of players. Yeah I mean you can be critical players and yeah that's that's what the job entails you have to be critical players. But I just I always kind of you know you figure these things out through you know through whether it was you know the actual tournament coverage or doing the studio post game pregame. Like I would have to see that person the next week or maybe the next day driving range yeah and like I gotta I may have to have a conversation with them. So to me I couldn't really burn that bridge and I my kind of my litmus test was always well. You know okay his his mom may be watching and he she might be upset with what I just said but a week later. And she looked at me and go well you were you were actually right about that so that was kind of my you know that's how I judged my you know critique or criticism was there's not going to be anything spirit about it but you have to call a spade a spade. You know it's such a subjective business though I mean you know you can do something and you know people love it have people hate it. But is that aspect of TV bother you at all or were you pretty comfortable in that environment you know being criticized yourself for things you would have said. Right it was it was a first for me you know when I was playing if I messed up you know I knew I messed up and nobody's going to you know be harder on me than I was on myself. But it did it caught me off guard the number of people who you know whatever message me through social media that kind of stuff. And you know you suck and I you know I never liked you when you're playing and now I really don't like you kind of thing. I'm like well Randall gets this every day so and you walk around pretty happy and you know and so I'm like okay you know what I'm just going to stop paying attention to that. Even there was a point like you know we've been a commercial break and you're like oh you know what's in I would look at my phone well I quickly stopped doing that. Because it's you know I hate you how do you put that tie on with that Jack like your hair like everything it didn't matter. Right you were fair game yeah you know but those like I think the people when you like something you don't necessarily comment on it but when you you know there's a lot of people sitting in their you know their parents basements wearing sweatpants that just feel the need to not hear their voice but but to you know type up the little comment. What really ticked me off is when they would copy like golf channel or MV something like that I'm like wait a second I'm not walking into your office telling your boss how you just screwed up and said that Ryan Fox was from Australia not New Zealand. Which I did that actually and I went on to apologize to Ryan Fox for it but you know yeah I mean we I mess up all the time and I think being a you know an athlete and a player on the PGA tour. There's certainly a bit of perfectionism. I'd like to say a good amount of it but it's not always good but you know then you get in the TV and it's like you know you're you're judged on whatever pops into your brain because you're paid to speak and to speak your mind and so that was that was something I had to like realize and kind of get comfortable being uncomfortable and then just not paying attention to it. Did you you just mentioned the Ryan Fox do you have like one of your worst. Mistakes are funniest mistakes of the thing that you're just like I can't believe I did that like what's the funniest slash worst thing that you did on the air. Let's see that was that was one of them that was at the WGC in Mexico and I was doing the early coverage with NBC and Tommy Roy is a producer and so you know I'm just this and that you know you read through these player bios and I would highlight things and stuff like that. A lot of times that you can't look at it you're just and I said something about you know his his build his body type and you know he looks like an Australian rules football player and and you know this and that and then you know we're on to the next shot. Right and it was like 30 seconds later maybe during the next commercial or something and Tommy's kind of in everybody's ear it says did somebody say Ryan Fox is from Australia. I was like yep that be me and I knew it was wrong you know the moment I said it but I thought you know what I'll just maybe it was over it maybe yeah I said yep that was me he goes yeah we're already getting I don't know text messages or something about it so I'm like listen I'll go take care of it. He's like okay and so so I did so I finished and he's still playing because I was doing the early part of the coverage so I found him he was on like walking off a 14 T box and and I met him talk to him a couple times before I really didn't know him very well and and so I'm about 50 yards up off the tee and I duck onto the rope and I go Ryan can I can I just have a word and he's probably like thinking what in the world did you know did he do wrong and and I told him that he just started laughing he goes I was probably one of my you know one of my buddies at home that that texted and and he's like no big deal I some people would find it offensive. He goes but I you know like no worries so anyways that's kind of where I had to like walk out there with my tail between my legs and he just laughed it all. It's either worse when you're producer I mean it's necessary they need to correct you I'll give you one. I was asked last minute to go do an LPG event here in Scottsdale. Judy Rankin was then the lead analyst and her husband unfortunately was dealing with you know a health issued so they asked me if I wouldn't you know like on Monday of the week. So you know I hadn't covered the LPGA so I I went out there I you know I got to know the face it's got to know the swings got to know the names. And I thought I got it I got I'm I am ready for this broadcast okay so at the time before Bailey and I were dating I was dating Beth Hutter who was the producer. And so I'm ready to go best real sharp real up to beat real you know but we were not dating at this point by two three years I had had a senior. But she's sitting in the boat she's a producer and we open the show with highlights and we're often running and I mean I'm nailing it and and I mean I got this and we get to this the Spanish call for her name was bailin mozo okay. So I'm on the fly and I call her mail in Bozo. And I mean I don't even know it I've just called her mail in Bozo and in my ear Hutter yells it's bailin mozo you Bozo you know and I'm live on the air and I'm like I'm thinking what did I say and next the comes out of my mouth what did I say. You know of course you're on the air and you can't back up quick enough and the way you went and so wonderfully bridge the gap with Ryan fight there was no me bridge in the gap with bailin mozo. Oh sure there was she'd have understood oh Jesus we are sure but I mean and of course every commercial break they would play it on a loop. Yeah you know yes you're a second away from from making a full I love we had years ago and morning drive we had Sandra Gaul in studio and we everyone on the team production and in front of the camera we were all going back and forth is it Gaul or Gaul and everyone had their opinion and we're like well she's going to be here let's just ask her. So we would ask her is it Gaul or Gaul we want to set the record straight she's like oh either we're like no no your name like what is it well we'll pronounce it correctly if you just sells which one you know it is she's like oh yeah no I answered both it's all good. Yeah so we're like well okay. Didn't really help henceforth we will continue to call you gal or go. We're 40 years down the road and we don't know if it's laying her along right. That's like you know Ludwig O'Bare like I feel like he changed we were all told it's it's O'Bare or O'Bare and now he's saying a bear. I don't know like right you know he went from Sweden to Lubbock so it's going to change between those two places okay but I think maybe we're now at a combination of it. But at some point like the pronunciation of his last name changed so you're ready. Either way I'm talking about the Swedish guy who went to Texas Tech with the beautiful golf swing. Yes. And don't get brain will start on how attractive he is otherwise as well every time it comes up brain. Oh that is a good looking man. Yeah I mean he's like yeah it's like Adam Scott or I got asked this question once by Dan Patrick. I think would you rather swing like Adam Scott or look like Adam Scott? That's a damn Patrick question too. It is and I'm like now the more up to date would you rather look like Ludwig O'Bare or swing like Ludwig O'Bare? Right. Like what I said was I know what Bailey wishes. What's that? I know what Bailey wishes. I said to Dan I'd rather swing like Adam Scott because you can play your way to pretty. I mean look at you here. You've got you've done well for yourself. Yeah definitely over my head. All right enough frivolous stuff we're so close to the rider cup Justin. You in my estimation I mean you damn they're done it all in this game. US amateur or NCAA when they open when the players I mean to me you should be in the Hall of Fame. But this is a little bit of a fill in the blank. You've almost done it all in this game had an incredibly successful career. But you are more widely known for what? Oh making the putt 99 right in that crazy by far. Yeah I mean it's if I get 10 15 comments in a month 9 or 14 of them are the rider cup. That putt that moment. Yeah by far by far because people have you know the thing about the rider cup people have a rooting interest. You watch a major championship. Yeah it might come down to two or three possibly four players. But you're not going to be torn up if the guy that you're rooting for loses. You just you want to see great off by the world's best players. But you get a rider cup or all of a sudden it's a team atmosphere and it is us versus them. And it's just like the fans go nuts the players go nuts. I mean look at the the emotion on the like the first five holes of a match on Friday morning. You will never see that at a major championship. You'll never see it right but you see those things at the rider cup. It's I mean I the first rider cup I played 97 in Spain. I was more nervous in the practice rounds than I'd been up to any point in my life. And that's including an NCAA championship winning the the open that's prior. No I was more nervous in practice rounds than I was like playing in in major championship. How are you on the first tee? You know I was okay I'd been nervous all week so it wasn't really changing much. I was okay I mean you know Valderami got some little court trees. If you can just get it up in the aircon quickly somewhat straight. It'll at least get down there a little ways and I was pretty decent at that. Well Justin take us back to 99 and that Saturday night. Where were you you know y'all were down 10 6. Where were you when Krenshaw was speaking and tells about how inspirational why his speech that night was so inspirational. I was back at the hotel in the team room and I was sitting with days and we both walked in at the same time the TV was on Ben was about to you know we saw the parents. We had been through all of that and Ben was I think Ben might have just sat down at the podium to speak and give his reactions and stuff. And you know our spirits were a little uplifted because we did you know we did see the pairings and we thought well this actually could be you know doable with. The way we set our lineups up you know we're only guys that were playing great we sent out we're sending out very early they had you know three players I hadn't played a match yet that we're going off against those first matches. And then but to see Ben of you know I've got a good feeling about this and I'm you know I'm just going to say one more thing I got a good feeling about this and that's all I'm going to say. We kind of looked at each other like okay Ben's like he's completely lost it at this point. But by the time you know he got back to the hotel like his optimism had started to sink in. So I mean for a team that was down four points with you know one day left to play we were actually feeling I mean we hadn't played very good golf they'd made everything to that point. There was we did feel positive you know Ben just I mean Brandon you know him better than I do but I mean would you ever want anybody to give you. A motivational speech like that. Would you want anybody else other than Ben Crenshaw no no and I've always said you know to me you know I haven't played a rider cup but I've been around you have been around a lot of people that have I've watched it paid attention to it. Been passionate about it and I thought you know captain on his list of duties. I think one is to figure out a way to inspire people you know to come together as a team and nobody nobody better than than Ben and when you know when Ben was making those remarks. Just the belief that he had and is I've got a good feeling about this I'm a big believer in faith and then you alluded to it. You know and but I want to dive into it just a little bit more so y'all are ten six down on Sunday. The first six matches out layman Sutton Mikkelsen love woods devol all of them win. Now you're ten twelve up. Steve Pates in the eighth match out you're in the ninth match. Steve Pate wins. Now it's ten thirteen Jim fear can the 10th match. Excuse me 11th match. He wins four and three over Garcia goes ten fourteen. Now are you scoreboard watching this Crenshaw out there with you. Where are you on that 17th hole that you knew it was you to win it or lose it. I've already got chills. Okay and go. I've got some good spots myself. Yeah so I was walking off the 17th tee and there was a scoreboard. I think it was behind fifteen green and I could see it and I you know I don't think Jim had won his match to that point yet but I think he wanted somewhere when I was on 17. That looked like you know rock solid. Pater was about to win his match or he looked good up ahead. So I knew walking up to the green that we needed a half point and you know I'm all square in my match and you know if I can just get half meaning you know and I know if I can win 17. You know we win the whole thing and so that was part of the reason for you know my celebration obviously all the players on our team knew because they came running over and stuff like that but. Yeah it's it's one of those moments where and I wouldn't say that I'm normally like I really want to know what's going on I just kind of like to stay in my own thing but for some reason I was able to just kind of find some some inspiration through. I tell you I hadn't really seen band during the day Davis love finished his match I mean he polished off somebody like six and four or something like that so he came and caught me on like the the I think I was on eleven or twelve and so Davis was walking like you know side by side with me those you know when I went on the run and in one four holes in a row Davis was there every step of the way and and. So yeah and then I I walk up on the green and you know we both have kind of similar parts minds a little further and and then I look over kind of back left of the green and there's just a bunch of like quilt looking shirts the same one that I've got on and I like I don't the last thing I want to do is look over there at my teammates because I afraid I just lose it at that point so. Anyways I avoided looking over there anymore and you know stepped up and hit the pot and you know is it's going up the hill actually I've seen it couple times here in the last couple weeks it wasn't going quite as fast as I remember but I still think it had the hip dead center for it to stay in the whole so you know and then chaos broke out after that. We just let's talk about that chaos like in the moment did you think you know everybody calm down as far as you know there was still action to be had on the green and then even in the years past looking back you know did did America did the team did everyone go too far and rushing the green and going out there. Oh most definitely yeah I mean we definitely cross the line you know it was such a just that whole crowd was at like a fever pitch and with all the emotion at the day and everything and and you know the I mean it's such a small area that 17th green and there's so many people around it just the energy there even quiet like you could feel everybody's presence. Everybody's presence there and and but yeah I mean I look I wish that I wouldn't have started running or whatever the thing I did yeah I mean we definitely cross like the good thing is nobody stepped on his line any of that but that was a lot a lot for Jose Maria to overcome all that on the green and right there in the moment and then you know he's got a put that you know he's trying to you know help his team at least have a chance to stay in the rider cup so yeah I wish things would happen differently after the pot for sure when you look at you know they they brew ha ha that erupted in 2023 and you know you go back to 1991 with Seve and Zinger and you listen to some of the partisan jeering and jeering that goes on do you think the rider cup in general sort of cross the line. It becomes something that wouldn't meant to be. Yeah I think as far as kind of the fan interaction honestly I don't think. There's a lot of that between players although I say that and then you know I just immediately I'm thinking about the 18th green in Rome and the whole you know joe the cover rory thing. I thought that was all unnecessary across the line and and but I think a lot of it with the players they feed off the fans. And it's not always in a good way either and so I mean that's why I think it's. So I think both captains and both teams are going to have to really be aware of that here in a couple of weeks at Beth page because you've played enough in the New York area they like to be heard they like their voice to be heard and so I think both teams are going to eat off of that and not just you know in a negative way for the European side. It has to understand that and do their best to try and and keep the crowds respectful as much as they can. I mean you can't control everything what people say but you can certainly have hopefully have an influence on it and and you know I think the US side wants to crowd involved. But they just need to respect the competition and respect the European side enough to look that 30 seconds before shot needs to be played or a minute before shots needs to be played. Give the player the right to do go through their process undisturbed and you know that's how you're going to see the best golf. And I just I hope that happens not sure if you know but I hope it does it does seem like Keegan Bradley you know has been respectful and done a lot of great things even to start with. Before the writer cup has even happened Justin were you surprised that Keegan was chosen as the captain for the squad and how do you see the US teams chances and how things shake out. I mean Keegan himself was surprised. It goes away from a little bit of their you know not the mold but the kind of the mo of captain sees late 40s and that kind of thing and to pick a player that was so current and so highly ranked. It was a surprise. I think he's a great choice. I think I mean who knows Keegan might have wished it happened a few years down the road because otherwise I think if anybody else was the captain he'd be playing this writer cup. And I think he showed by not picking himself he showed a how much the writer cut means to him and how important being a great captain means to him. But I think he would definitely playing I think there's a great chance he could be playing in the future. Yeah he just seems to be more comfortable with himself more comfortable in the golf course playing at a very high level now than he was you know even six or eight years ago and so I hope he gets a chance to play again. But because he certainly deserves it. I think he's already done so many I think wonderful things I think the way handled not picking himself I think the press conference but he did something that I thought was just such the right move and naming Larry Nelson as an ambassador to the writer cup you know and in my view. There's been two big old missions by the pg of America and I'm a huge fan of the pg of America I am but two big old missions not naming Larry Nelson as the captain and not naming you as a captain. Again I think your whole fame material nobody is hit more important shot in the writer cup than you the way you've carried yourself with class I mean I know you're generous and humble. But were you a little surprised that that you were never named a writer cup captain. I yes I was you know I but by I had a couple of chances to get involved years ago not as a captain but as a assistant or vice captain and I didn't feel like the timing was right for me and I think when I looking back on it. Turning that opportunity down. Unfortunately I think it told. Too many people that make those decisions that the writer cup wasn't important enough to me. Which couldn't be further from the truth I just didn't feel like it was the right time to to. To take that role and kind of pull myself out of it at that point and and you know looking back I think I if if I known I would have taken on those those roles or those chance those opportunities that I had but at the time I wasn't thinking well this could affect my you know possibly being a captain someday I didn't know that that part of it. So thank you for filling in the ball are we are we all on the same page that I mean that ship is sailed. Is that a dumb question or I don't think so like I forever I didn't think it should have sailed with Larry Nelson and I don't think it. Should have said I mean Justin you're not you're not as old as Brandel. There's never will be. That's a beautiful thing. Right you're still. I listen you're spring chicken it might I mean you're obviously playing great golf you won this year on the chance tour but yeah I mean I don't think it's too late for you to be named writer cup cap well I you know I Jim let me. Ask me to come be an assistant captain at the the presents cup last year Montreal. And I had a blast but I also understand playing. It's very different from being out there playing PG tour events with these guys and and you know there are number players I knew their bios but I didn't really know the personalities. And you know just from doing television those things I you know I do think my my ship has probably sailed I think it is important for a captain to understand the personalities. You don't have to be friends with the guys but you certainly need to know them and part of knowing them is. Is playing golf seen you know watching them practice a little bit playing with them in tournaments you know those things I think all that does make a difference when you're trying to put a team together. But don't you think that you know let's just say they name you the captain don't you think in two years you could get to know all of them like you would you go to tour. I would do it yeah absolutely and I would phenomenal captain yeah don't let anybody more organized or more disciplined than you and and more generous anyway putting that out there. Okay well thank you yeah switching gears real quick. You and Scotty Sheffler have the same coach Randy Smith I've said this on the air I think you and I've done it on the air. You couldn't swing flatter he couldn't swing more upright what is the magic of Randy Smith. Um Randy there's no method obviously you look at the you know Scotty and I hair some Frazier running Palmer John Rollins Colt knows back when he was playing you know D. Hey why bring like what do we have in common other than we play golf that's about it. But yet he was able to get like the best out of us. Randy's he'll mix in some technology when a player needs it but he's very much a feel and artist he wants to look at ball flight. And like figure it out from there. He'll go to you know again a track man or video when he feels like it's necessary when you know his student wants needs to be able to see it more of a visual learner. But I think Scotty is so feel oriented. I was very much feel oriented that. You know it's like okay how do you create the shot you want. With you know your body pattern your body type your movement patterns and all those things and and. He just he also keeps things very very simple there's not a lot of thought going on during the golf swing. That's your set up position you know where you need to for this particular shot. And then from there let your instincts take over and. You know I happen to have pretty good instincts Scotty has maybe the best. Just instincts from a you know connecting his brain with his hands. Of anybody I've ever seen. You look at the footwork and this and that and it can be you know it's distracting. But he does so many good things. Through impact and that club face is square for so long because of the way he moves his hips and his his lower body. It's like it could never get it could never get very far off and it hasn't for what what are we on three and a half four years now. Three and a half four years of absolute dominance ball striking in the game. I didn't think I would ever personally I didn't think I'd ever see anybody come along. That approach the type of golf the tiger plate. Is that how you see it? I mean yes and. It's Scotty has this interesting duality of. He cares so much about competing. Whether it's against you know bang Griffin at you know the in nap at the pro core or writer cup. Or beating his ten handicap buddies at home. It doesn't matter. He just wants to step on your throat. But then on the other side like he doesn't it's not all focused on. Winning golf tournaments or you know the money I like I bet I bet the money's never been touched. He's just very simple in that. He's he's unaffected by it. It doesn't that's not what drives him he's not out doing a bunch of you know commercials and sponsorships and chasing dollars going to. You know Lord knows where for a big appearance fee. It's you know he gets done with a golf course. It's where's Meredith where's Bennett and you know where are we in dinner tonight like that's it. And who's asked am I going to kick tomorrow? That's what it's all about and it's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Where do you see like his ceiling? I mean how far is he going for how long do you think he can sustain this? Um my gosh it that's probably related to. Just almost his his body how long can he? You know I know he takes care of himself. I do some similar things that he does in the gym and all that stuff. I mean I. I think until he gets tired of beating everybody. I really do like it gets boring for him maybe at some point. I don't know but like let's enjoy it while we're here in the middle of it because like you said. We thought these kind of periods and golf might be over at least for a very long time after you know. After watching Tiger Woods froze so long and now here we are in a dominance that we haven't seen since him. It is so much fun to watch him win with such humility in class and dignity it really is. Fun to watch and speaking of humility and class. I at you know asked you at the top of this interview sort of what you're most remembered for and you said the putt. I would argue you're also sneaking up on being most remembered for the speech you gave after winning the open championship in 1997. I can remember watching it you know I always you know Bobby Jones was the most articulate intelligent golfer I've ever heard speak on the game. But can you take us back to you know you started that day five back you should 65. You win and then boom you get up and just give the most clear I'd gracious speech. Can you take us back to you know what were you thinking how did you get your wits about you you just won your first major. And and how you delivered such a beautiful speech I know you're humble and you you know you probably don't want to say sort of those things but I just take me into how that speech came about. Well if you ever seen the movie old school. Where will I have I'm not sure brandless. You need to see this movie will this is where we this is where we mute his microphone go on talk to me I can talk old school with you Justin I live. Carol is debating James Carville who was filling in for somebody sick the whole thing was rigged and Will Ferrell like answers the first question to where James Carville says I've got nothing to say that was absolutely perfect and will Ferrell kind of wakes up and goes what happened I blacked out that's kind of what I did. I blacked out. I yeah so as long as you weren't running down the street naked. No one is new blue and blue and KFC for dinner then we're OK OK go on. Bring your green hat. So I was in the next to last group and I again I wasn't much of a leaderboard watcher because I I finished out and my caddy Bob right he comes over puts his arm around me I said you know I thought I was leading at that point. And he said hey you know you've got a two shot lead you know or yes we're about to make both something and so. I had a good like 15 to 20 minutes to sign my scorecard and kind of put just a couple of thoughts together. During that time the press secretary for the RNA came up and gave me a note card and you know he asked me to say something about Barclay Howard who finished low amateur that week. You know mentioned the the core superintendent that you know the captain this is all that stuff and so basically those kind of just names were highlighted and so. I think people were touched because I personalized Barclay Howard a little bit and and you know that all of a sudden I'm just kind of talking and. It all like all the emotions of it I just like started flooding in and you know and that was at that moment I was I think I had. I was talking about my family how they work there and not that I was sad that they weren't there but I just my thoughts went to my parents my sister Randy Smith. And it all just kind of I thought this is something I'm getting I'm going to get to go home and share with that even though they weren't there with me at true. And so that's when it kind of all kind of started coming in and I you know I just I had to take a moment before I could speak again and and. You know it just I think one of those things where I was I was blessed with the right words in the correct order and I think people appreciate it. The emotion that I was experiencing and and really kind of felt how much winning the tournament meant to me and I think a lot of times you don't always get that in a in a victory speech it's more you know you kind of. You come to that point later in the day or later in the night or maybe it's even the next day but. I just happen to realize all of that you know on the 18th green with a microphone in my hand yeah you know so often when people win and I get it you know they they say I can't find the words can't put it into words and that's understandable for sure. But those of you listening who've never heard the speech you can YouTube and find it easy enough I've done it in the past because I just thought it was so pointed so beautifully done so. I want to thank you for that and then also you know thank you for spending time with us I know you're busy you're competing you you won your first champion's tour event you know how's the year going where are you the Charles Schwab cup championship is coming up here pretty soon right. It is we've we've got our playoff start in about three or four weeks you know it's interesting after winning I thought okay this isn't I like I got the monkey off my back and I'm just going to. And I'm going to be like any else out here and I'm a contend every week and you know that's not the way the game works. But I think the last couple months I've actually gotten back to plan some some really good golf and and you know I credit goes to Randy Smith some certainly credit goes to Mike Thomas Justin's dad who I spent some time with working when I'm here in Florida kind of getting back. More neutral and all the things that I do meaning you know my tendency is to get the club face a little shot and you know and drop the club under on the way down and so trying to get more neutral and get the get the face actually moving a little bit the backswing and trying to get it you know not coming so much from the inside so that. A my misses are tighter and B it's just it's it's uncomfortable actually fading the ball and not just off the driver but with short irons and things like that I think you know for me because I'm not you know not overpowering golf courses I mean certainly champions tour like I can get to some of the part of eyes but maybe not quite all of them those kind of things but. For me and it's always has been like I've got to be really good with my short irons to you know to really compete contend and I think I've gotten back to that point. You know making the cut over at port rush right I spent two days with Mike early in the week and and you know again we I think I've gotten a trip back into a little bit too shot and too much from the inside and so we just trying to balance and neutralize that a little bit. And kind of really at that point really start on a nice run of ball striking you know my putting uncomfortable with and and so it's good I feel like I'm I'm kind of starting to come into the player that I I thought I should be out here and. You know but man it's it's it's a lot of work you know it's three or four hours of practice I like to play nine holes you know after I practice to kind of see where my game is you know I work out the trainer two days a week I work out on my own four days a week. You know I see a PT 2 to 3 days a week to keep things moving and and it's just it's a lot it's it's this golf is a full time job do you still love it as much as you ever did I do I do I love finding just I love making progress and I do I love to practice it's not about the results it's just it's really great when the results are there. And I love the process of trying to trying to get a little bit better trying to get a little more comfortable something trying to you know work on a shot that maybe he's not always been one of my favorites but turn it into something that that I would go to you know in the heat of it and and so I do I really enjoy that part of it I didn't realize how much I missed it when I was working with brand all it. Golf channel and NBC because I was putting all that work in but now that I'm just golf full time it's good and I think the break that I had not planned for six years is probably why I love putting in the work and I think if I've been doing this all along and you know adding these new wrinkles to what I do for watching the best players in the world if I've been doing this all the way through. You know I wouldn't be surprised I'd be almost burned out at this point but I feel like those six years like I'm 53 but I'm a young 53 and so I think taking the time off kind of rejuvenated my my my want to to be out and work and and you know play this game for a living. And the level of competition you're facing I mean I I certainly knew it but it was underscored last year I was up in Chicago playing an tournament called the Buzz Taylor. Billy and rate plays a number of champions tour players play some tour players play as on a golf course old Elm which is Donald Ross Harry cold design some of the fastest slopeiest greens I think I've ever played and the win was blown one day like 30 miles an hour. Me was tough to play any hole not make a bogey and I played the whole day didn't make a bogey I think I shot one under and I came in and I mean I felt like King Kong. I was like I cannot believe how good I am at this game. I was like man I think I might even think about try to Steven Walker came in shot 62 and I was like nope. No not good enough. No big to TV. Yeah well it's you don't want to try and compare yourself to Steven Walker. Hopefully I'm a player. So yeah he is. Yeah I'm believable so yeah listen congrats on all you've done in the game. You've handled yourself with such class and grace and Bailey and I can't thank you that we're big fans. Ben yeah we're big fan we were at where was it last year Trun and we're staying at the Marine and you know Bailey jumps up like let's go watch Justin T off first off. You were first off one day. Yeah we got we had a bed got our coffees went out there why we're big fans. So you could you believe how well I can't believe you two got up I could see Bailey come to do it. But Randall to get him out of bed. It was a struggle. We can't believe how many people were out there on that first hole at 630 in the morning. I know once the opening T shot it we can get in the stands. Well yeah we walked out there and we couldn't hardly finagle in anywhere to get close. Yeah well it was just as big as a dark. Right yeah that's it. Listen I just I miss you guys I love seeing y'all you know now working together I miss seeing you guys and in all the you know. You know dirty production trailers and parking lots that we used to get glamorous hang out and and have like really cool and fun conversation. So let's the players dining is treating you better these days than the. Yeah I'm alive from dining like a paved you know parking lots and things like that. But let's let's find some time and actually do this in person one of these days. That would be great Justin great luck to you the rest of the year thanks so much for coming on by the way who is the favorite shampoo? Hey we don't actually ask that of our guests.