Gaten Matarazzo Loves Pizza

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If you're a devout Catholic, still stream pizza movie. I'm not rolling my eyes at you. For sure. Today's episode. Is presented by Intuit TurboTax. Now this is Texas. Gaten, how's it going? It's doing very well, Caleb. How are you? Dude, I'm so glad you're here. Me too. This is a delight to me. This is a delight to me as well. I, uh, what, how did this come about? I, well, something happened at South by, did it not? I think so. Oh, it was Billy. Yeah. It was Billy. We were sitting, we were sitting in the hotel and Billy goes, Caleb, you have to have Gaten on your podcast. I went, I said, Billy, we'll sort this. I wanted it to be clear. First, like he brought it up. I, I was, the way he brought it up, it seemed like it was such a, I was such an awkward way of bringing it up because it seemed very much like I was like, will you say something? Can you please stand up for me? Stand up for me. I swear I didn't, but it seemed like the way he said, he was like, oh, Caleb, you should have, uh, you should have Gaten on your podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing where you're like, it's kind of like when you were a kid and you wanted to ask to like sleep over at a friend's house and you'd be like, my mom's not going to go for it unless you ask. What if Gaten stayed over tonight? Do you guys think? I was so embarrassed. I was like, you blew up my spot for no reason. I didn't even say anything. Not at all. No, I'm thrilled to have you here. I'm glad to be here. I'm so glad we met making pizza movies. Yes, indeed. For Hulu. For Hulu, indeed. In that weird little hot warehouse on your first day. Weird little hot warehouse. I showed up. I had such a funny experience meeting you for that because I filmed my HBO special the night before, went out, like celebrated with everyone. You're a trooper for doing that. Filming a special is like a fucking crazy undertaking. I had also thrown, not thrown my back out, but like I'd gone for a really long bike ride the day before filming the special because I wanted to like move and feel like get some stress out and I hurt my back really fucking bad. Where was it? Where would you? It was in Chicago. Oh, cool. I filmed in Chicago at like a DIY music venue that we like turned into a venue. Katie Birmingham, who designed this set, designed this like black box DIY venue to make it look so cute. But then I filmed the special with a really fucking hurt back. And then the next morning at like 7 a.m. I had to fly to Syracuse and get off the plane and come straight to you and start filming this fucking movie. And so I was in such a, I mean, I wasn't, I was trying not to show up, but I was in such a bad mood. Cause I got there. They hadn't told me this comes out after the movie comes out. The movie comes out tomorrow. Okay. So I won't spoil. I won't spoil anything. That's very nice. Crazy. Comes out tomorrow from this episode. Okay. Not. Okay. Um, we, but I got there and had to get into this crazy, crazy getup that I wasn't aware I was going to be wearing. I felt so bad when I found out when I found out you didn't know I had my heart sank into my stomach. I was like, I just felt terrible. Cause I knew you were coming back from the special. Everyone was making a whole deal of it. Like everyone was talking about how excited we were about you coming by, especially under the circumstances. And my first question to Nick and Brian was what's the, what's Caleb's first scene. And then they told me, I was like, he's going to be so pissed. I was not pissed. I was just like, I was tired and confused. And when you guys see the movie, you'll, you'll understand what I had to do. But day one, they were like, yeah, it's really, it's a really intense makeup that we need to do. And then we got to get you in this crazy hot costume in this warehouse in the summer with no AC. And I was like, I'm usually very like, uh, on set. I'm usually very like trying to play music and like keep the energy up. And when they started putting the costume on me, I was like, all right, let's get this quick. So Nick and Brian was like, let's get this shot. Let's get the image that we need. And wasn't there like a, wasn't there an, an established timeframe in which you had to be in and out of the costume because it was so hot where they're like, we need to get, they were very kind to do that. They were very kind to do that. Yeah. They were, they were being very, very sweet because that was the only thing I had to do that day. Thank God. And they were very sweet to be like, Hey, it's really hot. We should do this quick. Yeah. Which was nice, which is nice. It was so fun making that movie. It was so much fun making that. Do you love it? I had a blast. Oh, it was great. I loved it. The first time I saw it was at South by when we were all seeing it together, which is really, really exciting. And I was stoked for it. I think for a while, Nick and Brian know this. I feel comfy saying this is that I was terrified of it for like during the filming process. And then during the edit, after hearing how things were just developing and it's their future debut. And so they would update me very, very consistently on what the ins and outs were looking like when it came to just getting the trailer figured out and even working out like what the title was going to be and why it ended up being named what it is. And that was a weird thing to be in the loop of, which I hadn't been used to. So that was a little bit more high stress. And I felt really good once we saw it feel like it was, it felt like chaos right up until everything worked out. Cause there were, they were still editing things like two days before it was going to be in the theater at the festival. Yeah. They were still working out little, I think like probably audio things more than anything, but so that it was pretty stressful hearing about it, but I was joking with the way it came out. It's really, I think it's so fucking dumb and funny. It's really dumb. I think it's so fun. I think it was a lot of fun to make. Yeah. I remember I said, cause it's such a, there's so many swings involved in the movie specifically that it's one thing that was really fun to come to terms with over the course of making it was that if it's going to be as successful as like this movie, if this type of movie is going to work, it's always going to be for a very specific type of person who enjoys these types of movies. And that's a success story. As a whole, I think like it became a thing where we knew if we were going to try to go for as broad of a reach of like, let's see if we can get as many people to enjoy this as we can. It probably will not be a very good movie. Right. We have to just kind of be very assured in, in this, in the type of movie that we're making. And I think that it's better off for it. I think this was a really interesting choice for you. And I wanted to ask you about, cause you and I have not gotten to talk about this actually, but like you're coming off of obviously this little known indie show called strangers. Stranger things that most people haven't seen or heard of. But you're in this interesting position where now you're like making, it's a, to me, it's a really interesting choice for you as an actor to come off of something like stranger things and go do a movie like this. What, why did you do this movie? Like what was the reason? I remember it was a lot of right place, right time. And I'd finished filming the last season of the show in December of 2024. And this movie shot in June of 2025 is when we started filming. And we shot, was that like through the whole summer pretty much? Yeah. I'm trying to remember when we wrapped, but we shot in the summer of 2025. And I remembered that the wind, the early months of 2025 being the whole thing that everybody around me was talking about was to, to relax as much as possible and to just like let it sit and reflect on the year that it took to make the show and hear about the edit and stuff and just enjoy some time off. And I just, I hated it. I hated it. I hated the time off. I'm not kidding. It was, I was, I did it and I fucking hated it. I hated not doing anything. And there was a conversation that came where I was, I was begging like, please, please, please let me, like my managers and my parents and my family, my friends. I was, I remember saying, I'm like, I just want to jump back into something cause I just felt so antsy and I didn't know what to do with spare time. Well, you've said your biggest fear is solitude. Yeah. This is like a thing about you. This is actually a thing. I just, I don't enjoy it. And this is the first time my girlfriend was filming her show. So she was in Vancouver and I was in the city in my apartment without a job actively happening. Yeah. Didn't know what to do. Yeah. I was, I mean, it's probably a valuable lesson. I'm like, I would like to learn how to, you know, go about a day to day life without necessarily having a deadline or having anything to kind of dive into work wise. That's probably a healthy thing to try to figure out. But I did not. I, I did not feel good doing it. remember i was just begging i was like please could i just jump into something please whatever comes through let me jump into it they're like no take your time please wait and so i just let it simmer until pizza movie came through and i was still taping and auditioning for things and they were like okay do something if it feels like you have to do it and that's kind of weirdly what this felt like because it was something that came up and i i've always said no i have to be okay with if i read something and i'm like okay i will never be able to do something like this again if i pass on this and if i'm okay with that great but if i have to like be aware because there are some things that come through i'm like i saw this last week yeah and that's fine like something like this or something that i think is adjacent to an experience like this will come through again so i can hold off it's like a type of thing that's going to continue to come up right sure sure sure yeah uh and this one was i had to say okay i will i know i will never do anything like this you ever again if i pass on this and for some reason i just wasn't really okay with that i don't know why i was i just saw it and i was like yeah i really just i was like so let's do the tape and then i met nick and brian over the phone after taping you taped for it yeah oh wow yeah i taped for montgomery yes i do know this you take yeah yeah i came from montgomery i think they had a very different idea of what jack was going to be which made sense they had a really good i think idea of what jack was supposed to be and i think they wanted the one thing that came through by the time they were finishing up the casting process was sean and gaten look identical to each other the whole thing is that it's like a dynamic duo comedy buddy comedy and there's usually like a contrast and like a crazy like look difference that like right kind of sets them apart and sean and i are in for the same things constantly we look we just get too short curly haired italian boys and it's like the funniest thing for us to play polar opposites but that's kind of what they loved about it so we were both in for montgomery and he was like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know what to do with it so we were both in for montgomery and he had been attached to montgomery for a long time and they were just like exploring the world of it and then i was like can i just try jack and they're like fine and then i went in for the chem raid and yeah that so on and so forth and then it kind of just fell into place but it was just just felt like summer camp instantly and that's kind of why i became obsessed with it yeah it just felt yeah i the head exploding sequence when i read it oh shit i just spoiled that's in the trailer that's fine it's in the trailer don't worry about that it's in the trailer we're fine we're good we're good okay just watch the fucking movie the heads exploding don't worry about that so you're fine uh that's weirdly what sold me because on weirdly enough i can't go into it yet yeah just know that there were things gaten was thinking about the heads exploding there were things yeah i just was obsessed with the idea of spending the summer doing something as insane as that yeah and it just i knew it was going to be a blast and i just wanted to do something really really fun and low pressure in the sense of of just doing something for the sake of making something fun and having fun doing it and yeah i think it was a good weird middle ground of this is going to be very challenging but also scratching the itch that i had at the time how old are you right now i'm 23 you're 23 and when did you start stranger things i was 12 when i booked the show christ okay so that's fucking insane okay i can deal with that um hold on i can deal with that i mean that's such an interesting like position to be in like chance and i were talking before the episode actually that i feel like the only and i could be wrong maybe in the entire history of the show someone will correct me in the comments but i feel like the only other person we've had on the show that has experienced that kind of thing was kieran and shipka oh for sure i know kieran it was great isn't she the best awesome she's so fun she's so fun i love that girl she's great i miss her we got to do a movie together a couple years ago and i yeah she's great i think sweethearts is awesome sweethearts it's great oh i saw it at savannah when they showed it for i think it was like the the scad film festival i was there we me and caleb drove down caleb mclaughlin drove down uh from atlanta because caleb's sister was was was there at the time and so we all met up and saw it there and it was great it is so fun we it really sweethearts asked the question uh can this very visibly 30 year old man play a high school student and we answered it with my character and the answer was not really not really that's so funny and the answer based on work though we need to start accepting that as a universal rule sometimes teenagers are 30 sometimes sometimes i mean for years teenagers have been 30 in movies sometimes 30 year olds need money and enjoyed reading a script i actually turned that when they asked me to come in for that i said no because i was like let's all just get real for a second sure i'm not playing an 18 year old in any universe i'm not playing an 18 year old in any there's not enough prosthetics there's not enough and then thank god jordan uh got a hold of my team and was like why didn't he come in for this right because normally when you pass they're just like cool but thank god jordan pressed on it was like we really do want to see you for this and i really really love that movie but kiernan is the fucking best it's really cool i love her so much but you've had this weird experience where you were on this huge show when you were like 12 years old 13 years old and now you're out of that that show has ended what do you want like what's the big goal come on i don't necessarily mean in work by the way i mean in your life i mean what do you want for your life oh man that's a that's a very fun question i think what's interesting about the process of making stranger things was that it accelerated a lot of or at least it brought forth questions that people usually have as they're entering their 20s of like what would you think your career is going to be or what would you like your day-to-day to look like what are what's like a five-year plan and those questions had kind of been answered at 13. where we knew what the five to ten year plan was going to be i'm gonna burp into the mic that's why i'm not talking quickly no i'm gonna okay i had weird yeah i had those little um those little starbucks eggs bites that'll do it but the uh not the starbucks ones though like not the the pepper ones thank you but they were like the generic frozen ones yes wow very good it's really interesting to hear that you're on that they're so yummy i find it hard to believe that you're like microwaving your own egg bites but that's a beautiful testament it's you may you may as well have just told me that you were out like tilling the land this morning yeah my ox and i were out working the land this morning so i'm a little out of sorts tummy's a little rumbling yeah which is fine um i it's it's a weird situation to jump into uh my 20s now with a lot there's what's really wonderful about it is that i i grew on the and i'm very lucky in the sense that as i did it for a decade i've come out of it with a love for it still with a real deep love for what i do because i know a lot of people who start at 12 or 13 enjoy it at that point and then they reach adulthood and like this is just not what i want to do with my life and that's such an understandable normal process to go through there's so many things that you invest so much of your time with as a teenager even as a young as a younger kid and it's just like weirdly it's just something you grow out of and something you just you realize you want to go down a different path and sometimes that can be really stressful for younger people especially in careers because it's such a public endeavor and usually people who take a step back or find a career shift or just choose not to engage as much with it there's like a whole public spectacle of like where did they end up like what happened to like the rise and fall story which i think is is unfair and kind of silly but most people who do take a step back like if you talk to them personally they're like yeah isn't that hilarious like when they're really just going off and pursuing so many other great things with their lives that aren't involved in this well because we have this like societal worship of fame which is not a really a status or a process to envy at all because we have this worship for fame and everyone imagines that they would like to be famous even though they probably wouldn't like the the outcomes of that process because we have that cultural imagination about it and because we assume that fame is the goal we measure so many artists against that metric that they're not measuring themselves against yeah just they go oh so and so fell off and it's like or so and so is like building a life and a family right now and they actually just don't want to be seen by you all the time for sure but it is it's an it's a really interesting thing that even when you're actively not taking a break and you're still working and you're doing things that are just not a hundred percent like identically aligned with the building of more and more and more attention and fame if you're making choices that are not just about that it's funny that culturally people we as a culture are kind of unable to process that because so many people are not famous and imagine that they would like to be sure and imagine that they would be good at it and sustain it forever it's in the people who do like who become famous through the career that they choose to do so it's not a type of situation or even careers that are involved when people become become famous through them it's not known for its longevity even like the people who are the most famous people in the world eventually gets you get it gets you a point where it just it's not sustainable yeah and if you spend so much of your time trying to sustain it you will be so miserable if that's your goal you're not going to ever win you're not you're not going to win and that's weird it's like a weird i recognize that i don't have a desire that's not at all why i enjoy this this show and having been on it for as long as i have the most incredible thing to come out of it is that it has facilitated my ability to continue working where i choose to and that's rare and really really cool and that's why i'm excited to jump into stuff that is just kind of by me for me that makes me feel very very good it makes me feel like i'm growing and learning more about myself and that's why i'm excited to jump into it and i there's even but there is a weird little pull from like voices in your head of you have to make things that are projectable or you have to make things that are going to to maintain this level of of visibility post stranger things and i really don't i'm just i don't understand why i would really want to do that i don't have any real desire to pursue things for the purpose of that because it's not like something i rather enjoy have you at any point during all of this um had a fear that that you would um that people would forget about you or that you that fame would fall off or that you need to maintain did you ever feel that and just came over got over it or did you not ever feel it at all i yeah i felt it and i don't know why i felt that because i think it was a i think it's a weird there's a correlation that you create with those two things i guess being mutually exclusive or the only the way that for things to feel the same and the way for them to feel satisfying and and be seen as as you doing your job to the best i mean to to the greatest extent that you can is in relation to how many people see it or or how visible it is and it really the day-to-day doesn't necessarily really change for me either way if i get to make things that i really really like that nobody sees and i think that's like the best case scenario for me personally i think for like other people it's like i it would be nice for people to see what it is that i do but really for me the it doesn't change a thing and that's cool to get used to but there is i think especially when you do it as a kid when you're kind of instructed on what to value it kind of is instilled over time so there is a process of breaking that down and kind of coming to terms with the things that i was told to value aren't necessarily what i truthfully do and that's been fun to unpack and discover and it's just getting rid of the idea that uh if i don't engage with the attempt to be as visible as i can i think like visibility above all other things sure not being the goal yeah if that's if that's not the goal in the slightest and i think i'll be probably the happiest that i could be in in doing this and i think that would be yeah that'd be lovely but there is a weird little like self-conscious like oh no but other people are like oh no i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm not people i know and like are gonna are being seen more why not me and so there's like even something you don't want or something you don't like when you see other people like kind of going down that road of that working out in that department it's still a little bit like there's like a little bit of like a sting there and i don't know because it's the cultural it's the societal anxiety that i think i don't think those are your values based on what i know about you and on what you're saying but the there is a it's similar to like internalized homophobia or misogyny or anything of these other things where like it does it might not be your personal values but there's a kind of like cultural um pressure that almost can seep into you through osmosis because you're swimming in it like we're swimming in a society that values that and tells us that that's our value and so it gets really hard to be like i all the time will have a thought that i'm like i'm like oh i'm annoyed that that person got this thing and then i go you don't want that i mean i go wait that's not your values you know yeah but it's that math of being like wait that's not even me saying that but the voice is still in there and it's like yeah other voices are able to make noise in my head the work the i think the work of figuring out like who we are and what we want is is placing like which voice is your own and which voice is in there from someone else for sure but i feel like watching you i've i've watched you now like i watched you on set i experienced working with you on set you always knew your lines you're always on time you're super polite and like nice to everybody you're like a consummate professional thank you and you handle i've watched you handle like the festival and i've seen you handle the way that people approach you and i just feel that you're very mature and capable and like competent at all of this oh thank you very much and i wonder like do you feel like you had to grow up really quick um yeah that was cut there was uh there's a good conversation around it it's like a weird ebb and flow of it of prioritizing a maintenance of innocence and a maintenance of childhood but also understanding that you're not alone and that you're not alone and that you're not alone and understanding that if that were the case then there will be problems that come up with that that there will be growing pains there and so there are certain situations where growing up quickly and kind of gaining a bit of a shell earlier is beneficial just objectively yeah and i think that's just understanding that learning that there are there there are so many people that just do not have your best interest at heart and to develop the skills and tools to to recognize that and to develop the skills and tools to to recognize that and to recognize that and to to recognize what that looks like and to let that hurt your feelings because that's a good thing and then move on from those people that's not something you learn until your adulthood usually and that's something you have to pick in this when it's an industry that is kind of i mean so much of the conversation around kids in the industry has been dominated by how many adults have tried to take advantage of them through that process yeah and that's just something that you're what's really great about it in the context of of me and the other kids in this industry is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other and i think that's one of the things that we've been able to learn is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other and i think that's one of the things that we've been able to learn is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other and i think that's one of the things that we've been able to learn is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other and i think that's one of the things that we've been able to learn is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other and i think that's one of the things that we've been able to learn is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other and i think that's one of the things that we've been able to learn is that we've been able to learn a lot from each other understanding that like in this industry there was so much predatory behavior as well to look out for yeah and because we were aware to look out for these things and to have our parents close to us at all times and to understand that as cool as everybody is and as fun as it is to engage in a professional in a work in a workplace and talk to adults it feels like you're growing up faster to keep everything kind of at arm's reach was was inscribed very early and of course when you're 13 you ask why and then they tell you why you're like oh okay yeah i'll do that yeah and so that's weird to learn very early but very necessary uh to ensure our our safety in that in that type of environment yeah for sure but like that all the sets that i'd worked on because everything was so there was so much emphasis on ensuring safety they always weren't yeah which is very nice i feel like even even just the like i had to grow up very quickly in a different way because i was poor and my mom was like working all the time so it was like this different kind of thing but i relate to people who got like successful at their career really early in this way that i'm like i see similar traits that i'm like i knew how to carry myself in adult spaces at an age that i it was only beneficial to know these things but i probably shouldn't have known them sure and i think like you a lot of it nets out positive like i think there's so many positive things about like you're 23 years old and you're like are running a massive fucking business you know you have you have like your pick of creative projects you know how you like to work you like you show up on time you know your lines like these are things that like a lot of people getting a job at 23 wouldn't fucking do you know what i mean that you would a lot of a lot of us would be like well he's late again and he doesn't know his lines you know what i mean right so a lot of it nets out positive but it is an interesting thing to to get so much attention at the age that you got it and have handled it so positively i just feel like that must have been a crazy experience i think so but it's all it's the only experience i had yeah so it's not like there's any reference point outside of it there's not it's not like i can really compare and contrast because it's just the experience i lived in especially when you're you normalize everything when you're a kid and that's why breaking down so many things that were not normal is so hard to do in your adulthood because the whole point of being a kid and protecting yourself is normalizing things that aren't normal around you yeah and so that's why it never really felt as much as people told me and all of us how crazy of a situation it was that we were in we were always around each other and we're able to i guess relate to each other or just we never really had conversations about oh man this is weird right because it was just it wasn't to us and it just didn't really i think it was weirder probably for the older members of the cast from the teenagers who started the show at 23 yeah like yeah natalia was like 19 joe joe kiri was like 23 i think when he started the show probably around the same age so they had that lived experience of becoming an adult and then a sudden shift and that i think is probably way more of a boat rock than doing it at 13 yeah weirdly enough what do you think is that i mean that was really interesting what you said about normalizing things that aren't normal i feel like that's a really good thing for all of us to think about in terms of just like a lot of things that are happening in general in the world right now yeah like what we get comfortable with even though we shouldn't be comfortable for sure what do you think is the most abnormal thing that became normal for you during that time is there anything that that like sticks in your mind when you say that are you just kind of like general as a i think just uh intense like people pleasing to adults in a weird way um i think there's this mentality and i think it comes from a place of meaning well i people are way more aware of their boundaries now with me in my 20s than they were when i was 13 which seems odd you'd think it's kind of weird but i think that anytime you were interacting with somebody who is a child who is obviously like the first thought is like all right where's your parent can i ask them if i can say hi and talk about your show but there was a weird mentality of like ah yeah get over here kid nah you're fine yeah you want to take this this picture with you real quick yeah uh which is a little bit weird and of course i was like yes of course of course and anytime i'd say no there was always like a little shit mentality i remember that happened once or twice i remember i was in like denver for a convention and i was eating dinner with my dad and somebody had come over and asked for a picture and i remember i was like i i said i'm not gonna do one right now just because if i take one here then sometimes uh it because it's a very busy place and i've already like been clocked elsewhere that usually when i take one that it's like okay great then he's willing to take yeah pictures so other people come up and i remember like but let me come to you when i finish up my meal before i leave and then i yeah i always thought because she was around my age at the time too and then her mom came over and just like cursed me out and whoa yeah was like you are not famous enough to say no to a picture who the fuck do you are that type of thing my dad did not take like nicely yeah i can't imagine that was received yeah i've never seen my dad closer to just like drop kicking a stranger in the head and yeah it was so embarrassing and obviously in retrospect they are in the wrong but ever since then for years after that i always said yes to pictures after that yeah and even in situations where i probably could have been like it's not the best time if i even like now i'll be running painfully late to something that i'm already late for and someone will stop me and i think it's very much a good time to be like i really wish i could i just have to keep on running because i'm already late for something and even now i'm like okay yeah and i do i always like to there's not i don't have an aversion to doing it at all because it's the only job and it's one of the only jobs in the world where people actively stop you in a day and say i appreciate what you do for a living that's really cool it's made a difference in my day-to-day and that's something that's incredible to hear it's very very rare yeah that because everybody's job makes a difference to everybody but it's rare that people hear that on a daily basis and that's really really special so i want to acknowledge that and make that interaction special for somebody who may like the show so i very rarely i don't usually say no to pictures at all but like in those weird little times where it may not be the best time to do it i get so anxious at the idea i'm like i really hope that a mom doesn't curse me out well that's insane it was yeah that was tough april 15th tax deadline is coming fast that's my new take on it like confrontational but don't worry but don't worry you can hand off your taxes to an intuit turbo 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of attention on at scale sure uh that we might call fame they haven't experienced fame they imagine that they would like it and they imagine they would do it better than people that are doing it now but they go i would never they go if i were you i would never say no to that picture that's what's going on in the brain and that's the mentality i had jumping in yeah i was like oh i'm being presented with this yeah and i keep hearing i keep hearing stories about how people are just dicks once this becomes a part of their life i'm like i'm not going to do that and so i spent so much of my time i guess trying to prove to myself that i was not going to do that and that's been a weird adjustment too of like recently i'm like it's okay if someone doesn't necessarily like me in a specific interaction that's fine if it's of course i'm never actively going to try to be a dick to somebody right like ever in a day-to-day it's just i just don't enjoy that that's not that would be a good thing i'm not going to do that that inherently kind of scares me yeah how do you i'm sure that must have been a pretty sudden shift on your end for it becoming pretty intense very quickly yeah 100 yeah it's only getting weirder by the day for sure i uh moment that you remember being like oh shit yeah there are like little ones over time because at first it was just like it was kind of like an if you know you know type of thing where it's like if i'm in brooklyn or la or chicago and i go to a place where there's gay people one or two people are going to want a picture cool and that was like i was like cool no worries that's like a it's like a sweet spot right totally manageable 100 oh this is awesome every now and again you can kind of turn it on and turn it off it's like if i'm in like rural fucking kansas at a gas station I'm safe. I'm good to be normal. And then if I really want some attention today, it's like, well, just get to Chicago and get to that gay coffee shop. You know what I mean? Like when you went home, because you're in Kansas City, yeah? Right. Was it kind of a haven of being able to like. It still kind of is. I mean, people don't fully leave me alone in Kansas City, but it's so respectful. And I will say like I was just Trixie Mattel and I were just in Kansas City at the same time. And I was like taking her around and trying to socialize her like a sick dog, you know? Yes, of course. To teach her what it's like to be around people, you know? These drag queens don't know how to act in public. So I was trying. I was like, take the makeup off. Let's shake some hands. Let's, you know, I'm trying. I taught her please and thank you. That was new for her. How'd she do? Better. She doesn't bite anymore. That's good. Yeah, she doesn't bite anymore. And the leash training we're working on. But I was, yeah, I was taking her out for walks and people were, yeah, it was just like, it was a very respectful, like, even when people did, it was very much. It was such an acknowledgement of like, I'm so sorry. I know I'm bothering you. I love your stuff. And then a quick, like. And that's 99.9% of interactions. It was really sweet. I've gotten, I will say, as things have upticked in intensity, I have started to set some boundaries and I never thought I would have any. Right. But getting cornered in bathrooms is a new thing. Bathrooms is tough. Bathrooms is weird as fuck. You ever get a shoulder tap at the urinal? Yes. Yes, I've gotten a shoulder tap at the urinal. Dick in hand. Dick in hand. Could I get a photo? I love your work. And also, I'm gay. I'm gay. So, like, be careful. You start tapping me at the urinal. I'm like, well, I don't know what day we're having. I'm ready to have that day, but we need to make sure. I thought this was the airport. Yeah, truly. Chase down the street is another thing. Like, that's been happening more and more. Yeah. I don't like chase down the street. Please don't chase me. I don't like it. I'm not a fast runner, so it's not like I have an option. You're going to catch me. That's what's scary. Hey, you'll get there. You know, it's like if you. They have the power. Yeah. Yeah, fully. You know, in horror movies where the killer only really walks at a brisk speed and you can't seem to catch him. You will catch me like that. You didn't need to pick up your pace at all. You're going to get me. Yeah, that stuff. So I've started to be a little like, or if I'm having like a private conversation, I've started to be a little better about being like, thank you. That's so sweet. I'm in the middle of a kind of private thing right now, but have a great night. Yeah. And the thing you said, I've really employed around being like, hey, not right now, but on my way out, I'll come find you. That's been really helpful to be like, I'm not going to disrupt my whole flow of being in this room right now and like open up a gate, but on my way out, I'll come over and do it. But what, you know, it's just an interesting, it is an interesting thing because the thing you said about people, it being the only job where people tell you they like your work, it means the world to me. It's awesome. Anyone cares about what I do. Yeah. And then also I have to, if I, I just feel like if you engage with it too much, not you, not you, Caleb. I feel like if I, Caleb, engage with it too much and think about the number of people who watch and listen to me too much, I will, become an insane person. And I am trying so hard to maintain normalcy and a connection to the real world that I'm just like, I almost view it as like, help me out. Like help me, help me maintain some normalcy. And if I express a boundary, like consider helping me out, you know? Do you, do you look at the numbers? Do you look at the engagement? No, but I, it's known, you know what I mean? Like I know, like I know about how many people this show reaches a month. I know about how many people have seen the HBO special. I know, like, you know, I know when I go on someone else's show and it's, if it happens to be one of their most watched episodes or something, I can, or I understand even too, like when people come up to me, my approaches are interesting because a lot of them have a different thing they're coming up for. Sure. That they're like, I loved you on so-and-so show or I loved your HBO special. So I can actually tell by what they're saying to me, where they're coming to me from. That's pretty special. Do you know what I mean? That's really, is that not really cool? It's cool, but it's weird because they're getting different, like a person, it's funny, a person who comes up to me because they loved me on Z-Way is very different from a person who comes up to me because they loved me on Royal Court. Sure. You know, and so I'm, it's almost like I start to think about the interaction I'm about to have. Yeah. You know? That's interesting. Yeah. Does that make you change the way that you approach the rest of that conversation? Yeah, because I know what they want. Like if they love me from Z-Way, they want me to be kind of mean to them. They want me to be a little, they want me to be like my shirt, you know, or something like that. Like, that's, that's what they think I am. Yeah, yeah, right, right. You know? And if they know me from, it's cool. It's cool. What's so true to you? Oh man. Do you have a so true for this episode? Dude, I have to tell you, do not feel any way about it. There is something about this show. Nobody comes with one. Do you know what it is? I have one that's fun. I think that Zemeckis' Christmas Carol is objectively a perfect movie. Whoa. Whoa. Gaten, you're going to get canceled. Okay, tell me about Zemeckis' Christmas Carol. This is the one with Jim Carrey. Yes. With the really awkward looking mocap before I think, it was like the Polar Express style motion capture in context of a Christmas Carol. And most people like, it's just disturbing and it looks weird and it's off-putting and it's just, I tried to like introduce my kids to this story and they just left terrified. Like, like, the ghost of Christmas present like disintegrates into like a laughing skeleton. Yeah. And, but dude, that story is terrifying. Yeah. That story is about how insanely guttingly terrifying it is for this dude and that's why he changes his life. Yeah, ghosts visit you to tell you that you're living your life wrong. You're going to go to hell. It's not an upbeat tale. That's what it is. It's like, if you don't stop doing this, you're going to hell. Yeah. I guarantee that you are. my kids couldn't get on board with it. I feel like we were like, weirdly, watered down with the Mickey Christmas carol. Yeah. And like, goofy coming in with the chains. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, 100%. It's funny. It's like cute and cool and it looks fun. And like, the Muppets one is great. It's a classic story, but at its core, it is an absolute nightmare. It's literally a nightmare. It's a harrowing nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare. Yeah. And that movie looks like it. Yeah. And I'm obsessed with it. Apple Pay is more secure than a physical card because you authenticate your purchases with Face ID before you pay. And your actual card number is never shared with merchants. Simple, secure, fast. That's Apple Pay. Terms apply. With Share My Trip from Uber, you can send your live trip location to the ones who matter most. Like Dan and Hannah, who always wait up to make sure their daughter gets back to her college dorm room. Or Tiffany, who's running late as usual and her friends are tracking her trip to make sure she's actually on her way. Restrictions apply. Kroger. Fresh for everyone. Jim Carrey plays Scrooge and all three ghosts. Yeah, well he's a. And he's incredible because he played Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come. There's no lines. I don't know if it's his body doing the pointing. I don't know. Yeah. It's crazy. There's some things that don't really work. There's like a crazy sequence in the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come where he gets shrunken down and he like surfs on an icicle. Yeah. It's bizarre and weird but it is actually the only time that I think that like. That book scares me and that movie scares me and so I relate that to me like they did this the right way. Yeah. This should scare you. The cast is awesome. Who's all in it? I don't think I know. Gary Elwes is in it. Oh, fuck. Yeah. I love him. Robin Wright's in it as well. Love her. Of course she's in it. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's awesome. Yeah. Gary Oldman's in it. Gary Oldman? Gary Oldman plays Jacob Marley. Why the fuck didn't I know Gary Oldman is in this? This movie rocks and the thing is is that I thought that I would talk to film buffs about this and be like, all right, let's get together. This movie rocks, right? You're convening clandestine meetings of film buffs being like, just so we're all on the same page. This movie rocks and everybody says I'm insane. Yeah. I don't think I'm insane. Let's put that on the record. I think in this context, I think people don't give it a shot because it's like maybe the animation doesn't hold up but how many amazing movies don't hold up visually? Yeah. That we don't discount those movies for. Yeah. Like Empire, Empire Strikes Back doesn't look up to par. It's still a perfect movie. Yeah. Well, you love Star Wars. I love Star Wars. You're not kidding around about Star Wars. I don't. I don't fuck around about Star Wars in the slightest. Yeah. What is your favorite of the Star Wars movies? I know that Empire Strikes Back is the best movie. Yeah. But my favorite one to watch growing up is Return of the Jedi. Yeah. It's just like the most like fun space adventure vibe. Yeah. But I remember, did you see David Cornswet talk about this on Royal Court? No. He talked about his order in which he likes to watch Star Wars and I had this, I agreed with him wholeheartedly. Yeah. And I remember, I was like, I've never heard anybody else mention that this is the way to do it where you go four five one two three six four five one two three six some people say you can skip phantom menace in that order and which one's that that's the first one that's that well the first one chronologically that's darth maul qui-gon jinn four five two three six then would be the sequence four five two three six this is for people who've never seen star wars before because you still get the twist in empire strikes back the classic yeah i can say it's his dad right totally no i think you're totally safe the window has expired i'm spoiling that i think it's fun it's been 50 years yeah i think it's fine dude speaking of one time i think during covid i got on a big kick i watched every single minute no phone very focused of the crown on netflix oh it's great okay and i posted about it's incredible it's incredible every performance legendary insane and i posted something on instagram about something that happened one of the episodes and someone legitimately got mad at me and we're like no spoilers and i was like hey this happened i'm like i can't spoil an event of the royal family this occurred this infuriates me do you remember like i know that there's a great community around it and like there's this is why the show works so well and it's why like i love when theater kids engage with shows and make it their whole personality but i was always so fuming when everyone was like talking about hamilton saying i'm team angelica i'm like you can't be team angelica these are real people what do you mean you're team angelica this is a historical event yeah what do you mean you can't ship this there can't be there's no shipping there's no shipping angelica that's so fucking he married eliza yeah that's historically what happened and you can't be like man i just wish that they ended up together yeah what are you talking about there was no writer's room this is a thing that happened how do you think that that family would like just i also think about that of what do we think founding fathers would look at at hamilton and be like that's like the story that's the way it's being expressed i think it would give them like an aneurysm of course you know that that like the whole thing of what do you show a victorian child to kill them on site yeah um is that the saying oh sure totally yeah if you showed up this would make a victorian child's head explode or something like that yeah yeah something like that hamilton for the founding fathers for the founding fathers dude i hope i get to come back and see some shit after i'm gone fly on the wall i want to be fly on the wall it's my girlfriend and her best friend our best friends like whole like belief in the afterlife they're like i want if i could believe in anything and want anything fly on the fly on the wall do you want when you die do you want a celebration of life or mourning i say to be to bring levity i want celebration of life but i'd be bum if some people didn't cry i want mourning i want mourning if i died tomorrow my ideal is that every person in this room including you who i just met does not recover and i mean ever i mean never recovers lifelong i mean if you guys out with me by 50 years i hope on the the i hope 50 years from now on this day of the day that i hope you wake up just on a random tuesday i hope you wake up unable to go to work i hope you are so devastated by my loss celebration of life i don't think so i don't think so no no no no dancing at my no dance no remembrances no funny stories weeping tears mourning black veils a state funeral i want everyone i want flags at half mass for eternity this is good yeah it's like in every movie every like movie when there's a funeral sequence where you see all the black umbrellas like open up and the rain starts to fall how many times are we going to do that in a funeral movie and i want it in real life and you want it in real life i want that for caleb this is good to know i want that bad please gaten promise me you'll make this happen i'll make sure i mean that's crazy if you die i'm the first one to text you like hey guys by the way caleb specifically i don't know if you remember the episode not to be a pain i know you guys are going through a lot yeah you text my mom yeah you're like hey girl saw you posting pretty jovially on instagram he doesn't want you it's only been a few years since we lost him maybe knock it off no i want morning i want morning to a little you believe in reincarnation what's your i would like to you have a faith what is your faith i'm pretty pessimistic about this this thing thank you at the moment i wish i could tell you on this thing yeah i because also there is a vibe i guess i guess i'm an atheist but that's such a like an eye roll of a thing to say you are no but i also don't want to discount or imply that i am like rolling my eyes or scoffing at people who are very intensely faithful or spiritual no because their money is green still stream pizza movie yeah yeah please please if you're a devout catholic still stream pizza movie i'm not rolling my eyes at you for sure but i i get in this conversation specifically a lot and also it's an awkward conversation to have because i've i've lost people of who and it like that has made people in my family more religious and i've lost people like suddenly my cousin passed and he was only 19 and that weirdly like that ignited some some faith and some some i guess more talk of of god and and love and stuff like that amongst family members and then for me i just like it didn't like spark that and so that's awkward to kind of when like discussions come up and it's not it's rarely discussed like i've talked about this like in public settings and i'm like oh man i hope my grandma's not bummed yeah that that's the way i feel about it were you raised in something yeah i was raised pretty religious which one uh generally protestant i guess i went to methodist churches yeah i went to a methodist church growing up but i think because that was closer to where my house was and my mom was friends with the people in choir yeah obsessed with her right she was like i like the choir and it's close to the house guess what we just became methodist yeah she was really she was religious growing up she she went on traveling um she she traveled to europe once on not a missionary situation she wasn't like preaching but she was with a musical group that would have like like christian-based music to crowds of people in like latvia i don't maybe i like that it's pretty great it's pretty cool i don't ask her about this way i do not ask her about this enough yeah that's a crazy situation do you know what i have advice for you shoot i have one piece of friend-to-friend advice for you have you ever do you know the new york times questions to fall in love the question set it's like 37 questions or something it's in brackets of intimacy i've done it with many people that i love in my life it's meant for partners so i have heard about this it's really good yeah it's really good the third bracket there's some things that like when i did it with my grandma and my mom that you skip because it's meant for partners so it's like hold hands and look into each other's eyes and like that part you don't do because it's meant for like physical intimacy but you skip those ones with your anyone older in your life that you love next time you get a chance sit down with them for like two or three hours going a long drive sit in the house something ask these questions things came up with i am very close to my mommy and my grandma i thought i knew everything about them things came up that i have never heard them talk about oh it sounds like never weirdly that sounds like so much fun it's amazing that sounds amazing it's amazing and i learned things about both of them i feel like i understand there have been multiple times since then this has been a couple years ago that i've done it with both of them there have been multiple times that we've been in some kind of dynamic that you know whatever we're just in our relationship you know we've been in some kind of dynamic that you know we're just in our relationship yeah that i have remembered something they've said and i've been like this is where this is this is why you do this this is why you're like this this is that's so interesting this is why we're not connecting on this you know what i'm saying yeah i would love to do this with my mom because she's had a crazy life yeah yeah for sure she's had or just like the craziest type of upbringing and one that i respect a ton because there was so much in her childhood growing up that was like it felt like the world was just out to like kick her ass yeah her and a brother and growing up it's another thing you normalize even hearing stories about this about like she was raised by her grandparents because her parents just weren't in the picture and i was like oh that's normal and i grew up later i'm like oh that's not normal in the slightest yeah that's so nuts especially because my dad has like had like the polar opposite situation his parents had him when they were 18 and finished having all four of their kids by 23. wow and are still married today yeah and i have like a lot of cousins and we're very very close on that side so they had like the polar opposite situation and it's so cool to see both sides of that but and that's also not normal that's also not that's like that's not the norm that's what's so interesting yeah the most opposite types of situations yeah and that's why i think it's so interesting how they connected when they first were my parents aren't married anymore but they what i was so i'm so curious as to how those two opposite situations kind of attracted towards each other yeah and yeah we're kids i think so yeah yeah yeah yeah i do oh i love that i i for sure i don't have any plans on it for a good chunk of time yeah like maybe not six seven months yeah from now like enjoy yourself for life for sure take a break for sure by 25 weeks i'm gonna be yay exactly a few months for sure yeah i definitely i i've always said i'm like yeah it's like a given but i don't want to approach it with the mindset of oh that's a given because i think that's how most people approach bringing children into the world and bringing new lives into the world is oh that's kind of the process of growing up and and living life and that's like a a stepping stone and kind of just a rite of passage but i think that there's a lot of thought that can go into understanding do i have my figured out enough to to be able to realistically raise a functioning human being and do it well yeah so yeah i would love to not yet no no not yet not right now not right now do you feel generally happy uh and optimistic about the world is that your outlook what's going on how are you feeling about everything crazy time to be alive crazy time to be alive that's that's the go-to that's the go-to spill my coffee i am individually a very happy person but i don't want to just be like yeah life's fucking awesome because it's also i'm a very happy person because i'm in the luckiest situation that human beings are in yeah and i recognize that fully like there's like the amount of there's just an overwhelming bucket load of privilege that comes along with me being able to acknowledge that i'm a human being and i'm a human being and i'm a human being and i'm a human the fact that i get to live happily and feel safe every day and i don't think that discounts my ability i still feel like i have i can feel comfy being like yeah i'm very happy and i when people have that and don't feel happy for sure for sure so it's still an accomplishment it's for sure it's an accomplishment but i do i don't want to be preachy in the sense of of talking about like and you can do it too or it's like that's insane to think about yeah i am a straight financially secure at 23 yeah in the united states which is not bad not bad not bad huh as far as it goes it's pretty good as far as the cards are dealt that's that's a pretty a lot of people yeah like i recognize fully that's like i can't just be like what are people talking about yeah this place rocks like everyone cheer up no i'm like i'm fully aware that it for my life's message to be like why don't we just smile more yeah because yeah that's insane that would be insane of me but i like i said there are there are plenty of people that have those the there are people that have the circumstances that you have or at least some of them and do not find themselves to be happy and i know that's not like yeah there's that's not the key to there's like the situation being on paper as good as it can get that's not necessarily the key to being necessarily a very happy person because that does not guarantee that in the slightest i feel the and and trying to have fun and enjoy life and i increasingly it's funny because it's taken a turn for me just in the last three years when i was first talking about that stuff on stage it genuinely did feel kind of like revolutionary because i was poor and no one cared about my work so i was like the fact that i'm happy is crazy and then as that has changed i'm like this is starting to hit a little different i guess yeah but it is i think there you have to be a some level of optimistic to intentionally want children to intentionally even to say like i have kids right and i'm always interested in that because i have so many friends that are so smart and doing well and they make a good living and they're safe and comfortable they have a house that has running water and and electricity and these are privileges and they are like fuck no i want nothing to do with wow so i'm always interested in people who do because i'm like well that's interesting that's there's some level of optimism involved in that i feel i obviously i would like there to be a legitimate reason i would like that to be normalized optimism optimism but when it comes i think for sure but i mean in in the decision making to have kids but a lot of times it's not a decision a lot of times it's like oh damn all right we're in this situation we're going for it we're going for it yeah and that's that's how i came along that's how both of my siblings came along was like oh whoops here we go and i understand that that's probably the major the vast majority of how people are brought to this earth yeah damn i should have wrapped it up yeah well i wasn't quick enough so we're having a kid yeah which is crazy so but i so i understand that that's just like a different situation but in the in the in the concept of of family planning of understanding like when when it is you're deciding to have kids i would like to normalize there being a legitimate reason as to why i feel that i would service bringing a person here yeah and raising them like an intention an intention i thought about it at all i thought about it at all for sure yeah yeah there's and that's a great i wouldn't know yet yeah i don't know i wouldn't be able to think right now and say this is my reason for why i think bringing a human into this world with another human is the right thing to do for both of us and the person we make yeah and that yeah i just i've got time to figure that out so it's not a priority for me yeah when what what makes you the happiest when are you the happiest oh that's a really good question it i what i've started to understand and really love is that i can feel at a weirdly peak level of happiness that i think that i have the ability to feel under very under very different circumstances and i think that's been a fun adjustment it's because i believe i'm like i will only be happy if i'm engaging in my life's passion where i want to do it when i want to do it and other than that i'm not doing it right and there are times where i'm not actively working and i just have been weirdly really in sync with my life and i'm not doing it right and i'm not doing it right and i'm with the people in my life outside of work and that's why i feel super happy and then there are times where i'm not really feeling engaged with my family or with my friends or my girlfriend and there's like kind of things that just feel like out of sync for a while but i'm working on something that i really really love and i'm still very very happy so that's i think it comes in waves and i figure that out uh as it comes along i've noticed that i feel happiest when this is a very selfish way of of looking at it because it's just like when all the circumstances are aligned for like the things that i love i love being able to work in the city where i live when my friends and family are also working and living in that same area as me because there are times that's very rare so anytime i notice that i'm like oh man these are all the things i love about what i get to do with my short bit of time here and that's a great moment and that always feels very good the best when you can leave work and be like oh i can see someone for dinner i can see someone for dinner i can sleep in my bed sleep in my bed oh it's lovely yes it's so lovely and that's the one thing that's hard like with this job it's like most of the time when you're working it's not at home yeah it's just a job that you travel for to me the worst situation is working in new york on overnights because then it's like i'm working i've got to do 3 p.m to 7 a.m yeah i am sleeping all day which is so unnatural it's so weird and then i'm going straight back to work but i'm in the city where so many of my friends and loved ones are doing things yeah i'm like i almost wish i was in fucking vancouver or yeah like there was a disconnect croatia or something so i'm like then i could just be like oh the reason i'm not seeing anyone is because i'm away instead of like oh if i slept two hours less i could squeeze in a lunch with someone but then i'll be tired at work like the the math even being possible that it's rare for that to line up working days in new york is working normal days in new york is great especially on like a sound stage or something for sure out quicker you got that's it basically is close anytime you're working inside it's basically as close to a nine to five as this job can get yeah and it's awesome it's awesome that was devil wears prada was on a how long did you shoot on that like 17 days nice mine was quick and it was like it was gorgeous it was on this beautiful sound stage where everything ran like a machine in queens nice yeah dude yeah that's awesome it was awesome and then there were all the other sound stages everyone would file out into this like one shared street where everyone was like eating and reading books and in costume and getting their hair done while they walk and it was just like we're making movies this is what it's all about we're making films this is lovely i'm just watching i was i would between takes i would just go sit outside because it was really nice it was like fall weather i would go sit outside like in my costume and wait to be in the next take because there you know there'd be a setup i was in the background of a lot of merrill scenes uh which is an honor that's awesome but you know sometimes i'd be framed out or whatever so i'd have like three hours to kill for sure and i just sit outside and read my book and talk to whoever was going by and what was really fun was it was the first time i've been around long enough now and made enough things that uh just barely that i ran into people i knew from past projects whoa like i'd run into like that fun a pa from three movies ago and it was so fun it's so fun i was like it's so small world i know people really does make it make you understand how few i think people and relative to like how how big the industry seems especially on the crew side on the crew side the amount of people that just like cycle through you just keep running into these and it's so awesome it's like oh my god that fucking that like uh key grip that i loved from that movie is now here working on this thing and we get to hang out all over again it rocks it's the best thing ever it's so fun yeah it feels like i don't know it feels like starting school i never went to summer camp i don't know why i keep on bringing up summer camp and the things you're loving summer camp right now i'm i keep on on the brain summer camps on the brain but it would be like almost like you find out that a friend you made at camp is going to your same school the next year yeah it's like oh and then it's like you get to pick up where you left off and you thought because you did so many goodbyes and it's like i really like getting to know you this is awesome you exchange numbers you're like well hang and then a few weeks pass and then you work you inevitably work on other things and like the bummer of it is that you realize it's just like you rarely get around to doing so and so it's really fun when you jump back onto a set and you get to just immediately yeah fall right back it's just interesting to hear you say that you exchange numbers with people i asked for your number at the end of pizza movie and you said no that's bullshit i've had your number for months i've had your number for like a year that sucks i said i said gay news so much fun working with you we wrapped i'd love to stay in touch and you said sorry man you said call my publicist we'll flag it with the team i tried to walk up to you i tried to walk up to you and your security guard went excuse me no i'm just kidding i'm kidding guys i'm playing that's funny i'm playing guys Oh, that'd be good gain. I have a game for you, please. We play it every episode on this show. I can't wait Okay, it's a true-false segment amazing Basically what's gonna happen here is I'm gonna read you 15 statements You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can after each one of what I just said was true or false Okay, and Gaten if you get 10 or more correct Don't get too excited. We're gonna give you 50 US dollars I know I know this is good. Stranger Things is over brother. It's time to get back to work Dr. Seuss wrote Charlotte's Web. False. False. It was E.B. White. The airplane was invented in 1903. False. True. Alaska has the most lakes of any US state. False. True. Elton John's middle name is Hercules. False. True. Goldfish don't sleep. True. False. Fuck Pinelands Regional High School's yearbook is called a cat tail. False. It's true. No, it's not. It's the cat eye. Oh, chance. Wait, that's their website Sorry You wouldn't be the first to challenge chance. Passports for US adults are valid for 12 years False. It's 10. False. It's 10. Wendy's is older than Taco Bell. True. False. The mascot for Kraft Mac and Cheese is the Cheesosaurus Rex. That's not true. No, it's not. I eat Kraft Mac and Cheese once a week. I've never seen Cheesosaurus Rex. It's Cheesosaurus Rex. Wait, show me Cheesosaurus Rex. We'll pull it up. The Property Brothers are not twins. The Property Brothers are twins. They are twins. They're identical twins. So it's false. The New Jersey State drink is cranberry juice. That would make sense. So I'm going to say true. It's true. The drowsy chaperone won five Tony Awards. That's got. Oh, that's true. Yes. It did not win any. Did it? True. It's true. A group of cheetahs is called a pride. One more time. They're cats. So true. False. It's called a coalition. Horrifying. So annoying. The original Motorola Razor did not have a camera. True. It's false. Anakin Skywalker's mother's name is Shmi. Shmi Skywalker. That's true. That is true. How do you do? Six. Show me Cheesosaurus Rex. I've got it pulled up. Pull up Cheesosaurus Rex now. There's no way. Put Cheesosaurus Rex right here in the episode. I'm begging. I am a Kraft Mac and Cheese connoisseur. It's kind of shocking you haven't seen. When is the last time they've used Cheesosaurus Rex? Cheesosaurus Rex. I'm assuming. Is it not on the boxes? Chance does this to people, dude. He's a very nefarious actor. He's a bad agent. I don't know why this is not. Chance, do you think you want to pull the picture up? It's not connecting to my computer. I guess we can just say it's false. And I'm going to remember what this guy looks like, too. Oh, there he is. Oh, you've seen him. That guy hasn't been used since 1993. You've seen him. Look at him. You love him. I don't think I've seen that guy. Look at him. A chance. Is it still in use? He is used in select promotional campaigns. That means he's retired. Primarily from 1997 to like 2013. But he still appears on some boxes. That looks like 1982 to 87. I was going to say if he was a float in the Macy's Day Parade. He's very famous. Cheesosaurus Rex. It's cool to be cheesy. It certainly is. Click on that shirt. Do I need that shirt? Go down. Bottom right. Right. Right. Oh, my God. Oh, that's sick. We need to get that for you. That's a great idea. You need that. I will look that up. Chance, buy that for Gaten on my dime. Wait, wait, wait. If I do get that, though, but maybe can I? That's $145? Buy it now. I don't care how much it costs. No price is too big for my boy. Wait, can I get it so that it can be the thing you display on my behalf here? No, it's too big. It's too big. We should put a Cheesosaurus Rex on the set. A Cheesosaurus Rex is a really good, cute little thing. We're going to put Gaten's Cheesosaurus Rex on the set. Don't let me forget. Don't let me forget. Wait, what's that other one? The long-sleeved one. Get him that as well. This looks like a Brian Robert Jones. Dude, I love that shirt. Buy every Cheesosaurus Rex shirt you can find and send it to Gaten's house immediately. It's like funny at first, but then you get like seven more Cheesosaurus Rex shirts from me. You start telling people, you're like, Kilbaron's kind of a weird guy. You block my number and keep sending it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never talk to you. I see you in public. I avoid you. I just keep sending the Rex shirts. Cheesosaurus Rex shirts. Every day. That's good. Oh, shit. Oh, my gosh. Look at that guy wearing it like a little model. We got to put some of these on screen so people know what we're talking about. I like that little, like, that Hollister pose. Why would he ever be surfing on water and not cheese? I don't, that's a waste of opportunity for sure. Hello. Gaten, thank you so much for being on. Thank you for having me. You were an incredible guest. Do you want to tell people, well, watch Pizza Movie. Watch Pizza Movie. We're both in it. Watch Pizza Movie. Gaten's incredible in it. As are you. It is fully his film and they allowed me to show up for a couple days. That's great. We're so happy you did. Thank you. Is there anything else you want to tell the people? I appreciate your investment of your time and your energy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And follow him on Instagram, for God's sakes, you guys. I don't post. He's not posting his cute pictures on there for nothing. Give this guy a follow. Please, guys. Everybody, let's bring Gaten to the top. Thanks for doing it, dude. Thanks, man. Accepted at millions of places. From big box stores to the internet. From big box stores to boutiques, you can check out with your iPhone anywhere contactless payments are accepted. That's Apple Pay. Terms apply. On any journey using Uber, it helps to know you're getting into the right car. PIN verification adds an extra step to make sure your ride is your ride. Before the trip begins, you're. 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