Gary Neville: Why Harry Kane Will BREAK Alan Shearer’s Record

He's a really serious guy, Harriet. You never thought you could see anybody that would be as a prolific, a striker as Alan Shira. And I think he becomes back to the Premier League in the next year. So I think he'll still come in and finish off Alan Dreckord. He will become England's greatest ever goal scorer, the Premier League greatest ever goal scorer. Welcome to Rio Mites. Before the World Cup, I've decided to come back to Manchester, where I've invited one of my old teammates to come and spend a bit of time with me. And for these interviews, Airbnb have sorted out some amazing stays. So let's welcome someone else to the pod. - There we go. - Got it. You all right? How you doing? You all right? Long time? - Is he sure what, what is this for you? - No, you know what? He's got Airbnb sorted us out. - That's nice. - Yeah, it's nice, yeah. - Who are you nice? - I'm a nice man. - Wow. - I'm the great house. - This is posh, isn't it? - What's good? What's this? Is something. - I need to stay here. - No, seven of it. - No, no, seven. You know what I've sort of talked about getting you on here, I was thinking Gary, always puts himself down. Seriously, you do, don't you? You're one of the best whitebacks to play in the Premier League history, but you always put yourself down. - Why? - I don't know, really. Do you know why? I think it comes from the fact that there's an acceptance, that whichever way you look at it, I usually played, if I wasn't injured, for the first probably 12 years, united from 95 through to 2007, I played, probably every week, that was fit. But I reckon, if you said to me, who was the least talented player in our team? And I don't undersell the fact that I did a good job and to be fair communicated well, and I had good standards. But I was the least talented player in our whole team, and that's just a fact, that's not like. So if you go through the team, think, right, Patrice, you, Vida, Edwin, Skolsey, Carras, Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo, I don't fit. If you think about me in that team, and I think to myself, actually, I am the least talented person in that team. If you said to Real Madrid, Barcelona, pick a player in our team, I'd be last pick. - La. - I'd be last pick in the school yard, you know what I mean? Do you have my greatest achievement? People ask me what my greatest achievement is, and to be fair, I don't usually. It's the fact that Alex Srelik's Fugues had never signed another writeback the whole time I was at the club. Now, sometimes, obviously, Rafael and Wes and Shazie and Phil were always homegrown products. So there's an element of that. But he never felt the need to go and sign another writeback. And I think that's probably quite a big achievement in some ways, that he could have easily gone and upgraded me if he wanted to. But I think he thought he got things from me, maybe, that he couldn't get from others. So he might have brought in a more talented writeback from an ability part of you. But I don't think he thought he could get from them, what maybe he got from me on the other bits, maybe. But yeah, I was the least talented player in the United team that I played in, and I just feel always that I was a supporting member of. And think of it like you think about you too, cold play, the Beatles. Not many people talk about the bass player. You know what I mean? Now, they're really important, aren't they? But I think of myself as a bass player. Solid, I'm there. But yeah, actually, if I wasn't there one night and let's say I was ill, another bass player came in, but Mick Jagger was there, or John Lennon, Paul McCartney, or Bono. You'll be all right. Still getting away with that. John Vee is like, you know what I mean? Is that type of thing? I just think I know my place, I think. I know what you're saying. Would you have a last pick at school? You couldn't have been last pick at school. No, no, Phil was. No, I wasn't. I mean at school, everyone, every football player I've ever spoken to, they always were a goal scorer. So I scored goals from midfield at school. Yeah. And then I played, I came to night as a midfield player. I was midfield from 11 to 13, and then Bick's joined, Skull's he joined, Bucky's joined, Ben Thorn, Lake Heath Gillespie, Giggs was a year older. And then all of a sudden I realised I wasn't a midfielder anymore, because I just thought. The players were at a different level. So I moved to right back. Jim Ryan moved me to right back. Donnie, it's always a good manager. We coached somewhere, I don't know if he was that, and he's against right move there. I argued with him, I remember going up to the office at the cliff, and he was saying to me, and he was really quite logical, Jim. And I don't pay enough credit to Jim Ryan, because I always mentioned Brian Kid, Nobby Style, Strelix Furgs and Eric Harrison, who was my mentor. But Jim Ryan, who's my reserve team coach, said to me, he said, "I'm going to be really honest with you." Steve Bruce and Gary Palester at the centre backs, you're not displacing them. You're not as good as those two. And he's just signed David May, so he's not going to put you in there. But Paul Parker started to pick up a couple of injuries, and his ankles saw, and Paul Parker, I love Paul Parker, I really, really. Brilliant player. And he said, "Danny Suey's never going to move at left back, and you're not at left back." He said, "The only place you can ever play for Manusci United, in my opinion, is right back." He said, "It's almost that point, you're right back for the reserves." I went, "No, Jim, I'm a centre back. I love playing centre back." And he actually overruled me. And that was probably one of the. And I got to think that came from the boss. I think that generally came from Jim. And I generally believe that decision to play me 10 or 12 games at right back in 1994 in the reserves. I probably chose a direction my whole career, because from that point on, I was right back. And he insisted that I had to play right back, and I didn't see it at the time. When you look at and think about what you've achieved and what you've done as a player, post-career, what makes you proudest about your life so far? I'm enjoying my post-football career, as much as my football career. Wow. That's mad at it, isn't it? Really. I absolutely love my life. I feel privileged and honoured to go and watch football matches to do what I'm doing and sort of like the things that I do. I mean, I've obsessed with the United when I played for United, but I do love my life. I do love getting up every morning. I've got enthusiasm and excitement about what's happening. I think, right, I've got to go for it again. I feel a responsibility, because we have five or six businesses, and there's probably five, six, seven hundred people in those businesses, and I feel an enormous responsibility to those people, to represent them, to make sure that they're OK, and that I look after them. So there's a lot of big responsibility with that. But yeah, I don't know. I feel as much as I feel my day as much as I possibly can. That balance, that work, life balance, people talk about. I'm not sure if I get it right. Where we're from England, I think, it's a good representation of England in that people aspire to become successful through hardware. It's a really good way to achieve things, isn't it? You need a bit of luck, I think, but you wouldn't want to rely on a luck. You want to make sure that you get all stones. I make sure you look underneath from it, and you take care of it all. But people say about your hair rolls and stuff, and you think sometimes your hair rolls like Brian Robson was my hero growing up. But as I get older, and I think about my grandparents living to the age of 80, and working to the age of late 70s, my mum's still working now at 75, 76, and she's playing netball up until a year ago. And I think really, that really inspires me. And actually, young people inspire me a lot as well. I used to think in the dressing room, actually, when I was like 32, 33, it was you lads that were inspiring me. It wasn't like I wasn't thinking about players that were older than me, or the manager that inspired me at that point. I do hundreds of his team talks, but lads of yourself and Patrice, the energy that you brought into changing room, inspires them older players. The gaffer you should say that. I mean, never forget the gaffer you should always say that. When you retire, you start eating away at your life. And it's a quicker route to go down, yeah. And I always thought about that. And my mum is sometimes for me, probably on Mrs. and Zayn's view. You're going to slow down at some point. If I slow down, I'm going to really slow down. I won't be attractive to you. I mean, life becomes very short at that point. So you come across as very patriotic. I know you as patriotic from being in a changing review and playing with England and whatnot. How important was playing for England for you? I absolutely love playing for England. I feel that I don't know how you feel about your England career. I said at the end of my career, it was a waste of time. And it was the wrong, probably, context of saying it. But I felt like I let-- I felt like I let-- not my country down. But I felt like not winning, not winning at all, not bringing that trophy home. That was a massive let down that. Do you think we were good enough to do it? Because a lot of people call us to call in generation. But you look at the teams we were against. There were some big teams with great players. Yeah, look, obviously we weren't good enough for you. And that's the thing. But I don't know. I felt like I was so used to winning at United. So used to sort of what would be coming out on top. And then with England, this massive event every two years of qualifying for tournament and then getting there and the 10s of thousands of England fans that follow the country everywhere. And then just letting them down. And having to do that press conference, walking through the mix zone after a game, and you've been knocked out. That was a continual low point every couple of years. And I just think that for me, I absolutely loved playing for my country. And all people say at times, I didn't sing the national anthem. Jan, I look back, it's a mistake that I'm a stubborn fucker. Yeah, yeah. Do you think that makes you more patriotic by singing the national anthem? Oh, no, I just made it more patriotic. I absolutely love my country. 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You know, Manchester United at that time became a little bit anti-England. The thing with the incident with you, obviously I sort of said let's go on strike. But I mean, it's all these things sort of just meant there were lots of things that I felt there was an anti-man United situation with England but I absolutely loved playing for my country and the one thing that I said is I never retired from England and I always said I would never retire from playing for my country because my country need me I go. So when Fabio Copelo called me up in I think it's 2009 just for two friendly games in the summer I went straight away, didn't play a game but for two games I was there after two weeks I would never not be there for my country I love my country but and I hate it when people criticise our country and I hate the state sometimes that we get ourselves in but I love my country but maybe at times the not singing of the national anthem maybe little things point towards me maybe having a doubt but yeah that's not the case just me being stubborn and backing myself into a corner. You just mentioned it though I was going to talk about it a bit later but I want to touch on it now about the strike obviously my mistrox test that whole big case and that whole big shenanigans it was really in the end but we never spoke about that I never spoke to even personally this is the first time we've actually even spoken about it and I actually didn't know I was obviously 2003 I got banned for missing a drug test and I remember a quote that come out from you it said we would always back a teammate no matter what they did and I didn't actually know anything about this, I could cure and die orangui and said 'reo your teammate Gary never wow what I've just been witness, what I've never seen if you like it, what was your initial feelings and why did you feel so strongly about that? I mean I'd been in the Union rep for seven or eight years at United and I feel like when you played for Seralix there was an element of togetherness and you fight for everything. He was a Union man, was a Union man and I just felt quite sort of principle that the thing for me was it wasn't your ban that actually I was had the problem because you hadn't been banned at that point if you remember this was pre-tornament 2004 and you'd not had you hearing so the reason I was saying this is ridiculous England suspended you and banned you before the actual hearing which was post-tornament so my view was if they suspend you after the tournament because of that's the chat that's the consequence no problem yeah you know full well we have to pay for it aduse for it when things don't go our way if you get sent off in the football match you miss three matches but my view was that the FA took you out before that and I wasn't a fan of the guy who was running the FA at the time David Davis no map, Alex Pallyos yeah I wasn't a fan what a fan so he was next I sat down with him on my own one-on-one I don't go on Taylor upon the way and said God and you need to do something about this I said this is ridiculous we're banning players before we've even basically had a hearing I said my view is let real play have the hearing after the World Cup after the World Cup if real gets banned for three four months because that's the outcome no problem we accept process we accept due process no problem at all we can't literally unilaterally decide to anyway I went and I'd sit down with Mark Pallyos when I got there and I said you were an ex-player I see if you're not making the changing room basically made a mistake or made no what would you do would you just like turn them in and I just couldn't I couldn't get my head around it and I said you need to basically overturn your decision then we're never going to do that so when did you think about I'm like we're going to we're going to call the strike then so based I went to see Beck's who's the cap says and we need to get all the players together because I feel quite strongly about it and we had a plate we we got all the players together and we had an anonymous vote we had an anonymous vote and it was unanimous there are a couple of players who've come out since I've devoted against it they're lying yeah they're lying that's unanimous I look to every single piece of paper and it was unanimous that we would all go on strike the problem was we were playing turkey on the sat day if you remember and if we didn't play we weren't going to go to a euros just something it's a big lesson for me never start something that you're not going to follow through and when I think about it now in the end I could start to see players sort of after about a day or so thinking that the agents were into them you can't do these you can't follow through they're not terrible the me yeah the media were coming on top and the boss rang me I think this is going to as far as it can because I can see it falling in around you you're not going to get the support of all the players they're all going to go and you're going to end up ruining your whole career and you're going to end up ruining your whole you're going to be just known for this it is so you need to basically back down that and at the end I spoke to my dad after that and he said if you not got people with you you can't go through with it and so it was that conversation with Sir Alex and my dad and he told me something if you've not got people coming along on the journey with you and you don't think they're going to follow through don't start it in the first place it's a sort of thing that you know now I would take into sort of any principle it's almost like saying you're going to hit someone and you don't hit them you know me I'm not hitting on him alive by the way but you know me people are going to hit someone just you know it's that type of thing almost like threatening people but they're not following through with them so yet to learn in a big learning but I was adamant at the time to to basically stand for what I thought was right I've never said thanks but thanks for that because it's not in the end I didn't get anywhere but you know the fault is to fault the count sometimes and the the the step in that direction but you also risking it's a big risk for a player to do that but real job I'd seen you may or may not remember you in 96 we went over to Hong Kong and on the way back there was a plane got smashed up and Gaza obviously it's come out since Gaza sort of made some damage to the plane and it was a massive story and the FA worked to know who would smash the plane up and then we're going to kick him out of the England squad pre tournament and anyway Tony Adams got us in a room in two meetings and Stuart P. has Tony Adams there are a couple of people had Paulins and Tony Adams went we're fucking sticking together if they kick one out we all go out we all agreed basically in that room that day they would donate our match fees to pay for the plane and to fix it and everything like everything like that but basically if the FA kicks someone out we'd all go and Tony Adams coined the term we're going to take collective responsibilities we called the FA guy in and he said we're going to take collective responsibility for this so if you want to kick anybody out of the squad you have to kick us all out and the FA that point back down. It was a massive show of leadership and another little example United with Steve Bruce I'd not turned up to a wives and our partners and player event when I was like 18, 19 and I said I was going to go and I just felt a bit nervous at the time of just you know going to this event I was young and then Tony came in the day after and he said he comes to every single event and you stay to the end and he ball at me and if you remember the Christmas news I'd be yeah yeah you always got to turn up you got to turn up you have to turn up I don't care if you don't drink I don't care if you don't like Irish pubs I don't care if you don't like music I think guitars and booze you just turn up you be there and it's just little lessons like that just sticking together in that collective element of responsibility that always sort of like we're in my head honestly it sounds crazy it's a stupid comment to make but the Christmas doing 99 I think we won the treble. Is that good tonight? It was that good a night we were so tight so close. Can you tell us why? I know the trouble. No, but it just felt to me like we've been quite average up to Christmas and we had the most unbelievable, we used to have great Christmas do's and we used to have unbelievable parties like amazing. Then nights that made good movies and everything unbelievable. You know what? It's amazing. What was it like though? You know that going to the manager's office and asking for a night out or if it had to be a night out and have a drink, I'd only had a couple of times it was like the walk to his door. Do you remember me after the Christmas party? He actually blamed you really, didn't he? Yeah, he blamed me because I organised it obviously. He blamed me. I answered him back in the dress too and I said no. He tried to find every single one of us, remember? Two weeks away. Was it everyone having a G? He found everyone with a G-SUN part because G-SUN part didn't go because he was like, I think I had to do something in career. I can't believe it was now. And I said, boss that's not right, I said, you know, it's me, it's me and G-SUN organised the party, we'll take it and he brought me upstairs into his office after and he absolutely killed me. So you never ever question me ever again in front of the players. And then he used all the fine money to buy new gym equipment, didn't you? I remember as a joke. I think I did go in the gym then. I don't know how much he must have collected. He must have collected like hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds. You were all unfortunate. People don't believe when I say to him like, I'm trying to go back to England now and when England games are coming up, what was he like in the change room after the game, especially later on in the season when you were going for league titles and competitions and an England game would come out of the blue. Well the match game, did you ever have a go? You did never have a play in the match game, England. But you know in Arsenal, Arsenal, Michal Atatte, there was obviously nine players, nine players and ten, eleven players, so the year of the treble the match game, me and Bex got pulled out of England. No injury. No injury now. Just tell him, you're just not going. So does a doctor say something or do you have to just say? I don't know why we did it. I don't know what he did, but I remember we just didn't go. We just didn't go in the match. We just didn't let us go. And that to be fair, you look back now and I've got 85 caps and you think, well how many did I miss like that? Well they got to 100 but he just basically was so single-minded about United Women. He pulled us out. He pulled me and Bex out straight away. We played nearly every game that season so he just said you're not going. Would that have been a dilemma, being like given our patreon, you were? It was Glen Huddle and I remember, so we had to turn up, so he made us turn up and then he had a big rally with Glen Huddle in the room. Beg a fan of it. Yeah, well on the phone. So what happened was Glen Huddle said, I said, I'm feeling my back a little bit. I'm not playing. This is Strelik's Furgs and I was like, well you ring him. You ring him, not me anyway, rang him, did a massive. But basically what I think the boss was saying to him was, you've qualified type thing or you don't need him, these lads are going to play in 10 games or whatever it is in the next few weeks, which I know in a trouble. Just these two have played all season. You can have a couple of other players and let these two come home and Glen wasn't like that. But I mean, it's mad really because your country is your country, England is England but back then there was that club V country thing. I don't know what, it just felt different. I mean, a lot of us have spoken about it, the rivalries that we had with our other club's players. I think they'd carry into England. Yeah, overshadowed, over ruled almost that togetherness, that a bond that we could have built. Yeah, I think you probably would be fair. We weren't like that because you knew some of the lads from 2021's didn't you? And you knew some of the lads from say West Amor leads and stuff like that. But if you've played just fanited. You had your own table. You just come down early and get out even before some people have been arrived. We'd just, oh, we'd, without me, Skolsey and Phil would be down at breakfast at half seven in the morning, we'd be gone. Because that's what we did, we got up early and then similar for T and the evening, we'd be starving. It's like quarter seven, we're in there, we're finished by five to seven people even coming to the room. But that is wrong now when I look back. When I think about camaraderie and spirit and togetherness and that's not right that. Would that have changed when you become a coach because you obviously went on to coach and spirit. But I think the lads were starting to get on with each other better anyway in the rivalries of Josie, Marine, your raffer, Vanita, Stralex, Fugues and all sort of rivalries that existed. Ass and Benga. They were bitter weren't they? They were rivalries. Definitely. I mean Liverpool hate Chelsea at that time. Arsenal and United hate, that was a real rival at that time. So there's a real thing going on between the clubs and the managers and that just carried in. Just on the coaching, how much did you enjoy that England? I really enjoyed it whilst I was with Roy, love Roy to bits, love Ray to bits. Iceland is still, that will never leave me. But I should, when I think of what I live by in terms of my values of committing to things and being obsessed to do things. I was working on Sky and the Weekends. I was doing my businesses during the week and I was just turning up to England. I was doing the training practice. I never coached the team. I was always doing like the post-match analysis and the pre-match analysis. I was doing the video work. But still in England coach. Not enough to get in. No, England coach obviously went to Valencia as well and that was something that, you know, I don't really want to be a coach. It's the mistake, that period of trying to do everything and that definitely should stay clear of the coaching. Looking back, but you're young and you say yes when you get off of an opportunity, you just say, yeah, I'm going to go for it. Some of the lads have done that. I've seen the lads take jobs, you know, I've played with Sins that they just, that eagerness or that feeling that they can't say no. That's one of me and one of Roy's best ever sort of sentences. Remember, no is a sentence. Working, yes, always. Remember, no is a sentence and you know something, getting good at saying no is something that I to probably learn a little bit later on in terms of like saying no to things and just not getting pulled along and sort of, you know, dragged into things that basically I should have said no to and should have known better. There's not loads of people who can sit here and say they've been up close and personal with the current England captain as a coach, Harry Kane. Yeah. What did you learn about him while being in that in them squad's coaching? I'm trying to think of words that we put into sort of like context. His professionalism, his performance levels, his seriousness about the game is about what football is to him. Yeah, the real thing. I think Ron Atkinson, when he signed Brian Robson from Manchester United, said, this is no risk, this is gold. And I think Harry Kane's gold. Wow. And to be fair, I look back at the signing of you from Leeds and Waza from Everton, Roy Keane from Nottingham Forest, they're gold. They're Decline Rice. But they were gold. Gold. When they signed you can put up. Yeah, they were gold. I've known where. When you came from Leeds, I've been played with you in England. And Waza came from Everton, I've played with him for England then for probably what a year. Gold. Guarantee. Absolute certainty. Absolute guarantee. Like almost like it'll look cheap in a few years. It'll look cheap. You just knew at the time because I played with you obviously with England and stuff. I think Harry Kane, he's like, if Alex Ferguson was the manager of Manchester United, he would never have allowed Harry Kane to be anywhere. And he literally made sure he came to All Trafford and Decline Rice would have been the same. I don't think Decline Rice would have gone anywhere with the All Trafford from West Ham. He'd been all over those two. Exactly the same thing I say. Yeah. So those two for me are like gold in terms of sort of an English player that you think you can build around, you know, in your spine, difficult to get, rare, leaders in their own way. And I think, you know, Roy Keane was like that, obviously, at United. You were like that, Waza was like that. Cristiano wasn't obviously, he was very different at the time. But players like that were just certainties. Do you look at that now at United and go that there's a lack of investment in English talent now in that sense? When you look at those players being allowed to go to Arsenal, they had to go to Bayern Munich at critical times. Yeah, but I think like the signing of Van Perssey doesn't mean it has to be English. It has to be somebody who's established in the Premier League that he know is going to deliver for you. I do like the signings that they made last summer of Cunya and Burma, because they had that grounding in the Premier League. They weren't gold, but the removal of risk that they played in the Premier League, they were hungry. They were stepping up a level to a club that they knew. They weren't sort of like stepping down from a club that's in Europe that like you think in the coming for a little bit of a swan song at the end of their career. They're still young and hungry. They've got things to prove. And they've actually shown. They can handle the Premier League. So I do think those types of signings are good. But you're right, there are very few players that you think you could sign that would be cut this talk of Cole Palmer. That looks like a signing that could be gold. If you've come to Old Trafford, I don't think it would happen really. I think Chelsea and Gungam. But there are very few signings like that available. The light once every four or five years out that these types of players become available. You mentioned those players that were working especially. And you know, all the players look up to them and you can see that respect. Is that the same for Harry and the English club? But Harry will very different than say, a Roy Kean or a Stuart Pace when I was in the Tony Adams. But Harry I think would, if he said something with the players, it would stick. It would like, if he said something, it would go. Later we're doing this and they'll go, okay. Because he wouldn't do it, he would do it sparingly with thought and intelligence, but seriousness. He's a really serious guy, Harry I thought, when I was in England, really like focused on what he's doing. You never thought you could see anybody that would be as a prolific striker as Alan Sheerah, but Harry Kane is that and I think he becomes back to the Premier League in the next year. So I think he'll still come in and finish off Alan's record. That's not a Premier League. Yeah, I think I'll be amazed if he's not playing to his 38 somewhere and getting that record. He will become England's greatest ever goal scorer, the Premier League's greatest ever goal scorer. He's having a little bit of a holiday, I think not holiday, but he's having a little bit of a swarrying in June, which is great for him and he's got other experience over there. But the fact he's gone to Bayern Munich, I don't know what you think about Bayern Munich, but I think of that as a really professional, serious football club. We played in Bayern Munich, it was like, this is a struggle. Even while you were playing in Bayern Munich. Yeah. So for me, you've entered some Bayern Munich with the two teams when we were playing that were like really serious football clubs in Europe. Barcelona Real Madrid always had that bit of the glitzing glamour and the sort of special spirit, but the real serious professional clubs that he felt were like, "You've entered Bayern Munich." And I felt like, "Yeah, you're right, Bayern Munich is a similar club to Manchester United in that way, I feel." Did you see Balandar in him like? No, I didn't see that in him. I didn't think he would get to the level that he had. Do you remember that season when he went from being a brilliant goal scorer to all of a sudden being the best passer in the team? When did that happen? It was like, when Josie was at Tottenham or something. But you remember you kept dropping in and playing people in. What's going on? And everyone thought at the time this was sort of like him aging and not being striker anymore. Everyone put it down to all he got, he's dropping in. No, this was him like taking his game to like the next level. His passing is unbelievable. So absolutely, and I never saw him at that level and the level he's got to know and the consistency, nowhere near that. But he's a serious professional, I knew his goal in terms of his attitude and the way in which he approaches the game. So what made you make him take corners then? After all that. Does Josie also have my reasoning for it is, if you think of Declan Rice taking it, Declan Rice is six foot two. He should be good in the air and why is he not in the middle of the Arsenal because he's delivery is exceptional. So we had a real problem with England. So basically we had the choice, Waza or Harry to take corners. The only two players who literally could deliver a ball. We did two things basically. One was looked at who scored the most headed goals from corners and also just in Jell and Waza was brilliant in the air and that was a great goal scoring. Scored more goals from corners. Harry I think had scored one goal. I think in the previous 18 months from a corner for Tottenham. I need a perfect goal scorer. And the other thing is we're basically on the training pitch, sent them both out to the corners and let them take some corners and Harry's delivery. You've seen Harry's passing since. He's delivered his unbelievable. So we thought we could get that delivery in there that sort of whipped in like it was. That's going to bring us more goals than someone looping it in and Harry being in the middle. You know I actually understand the reasons for doing it. But it's obviously it can be laughed at and people can discredit it. It became something that was marked, laughed at, discredits, yours, a coach, maybe or whatever. But the thing he was, if we don't get good delivery, we're not going to get goals on set pieces. And we had no one in that team that could deliver set pieces. Honestly, if you just look through it, I can't remember the exact team. There was no one that was naturally a corner taker for their clubs. Waza was the only one and we just felt that wasn't right. I bet you wish you had body training in the end or now. Believe in you, you didn't get a game. But I mean, obviously Declan takes them. You've got a Bacchial Sacker on the right, Declan in the middle. There's probably a losing that team that can take them as well. But there's really good set piece take is now in the squad. And Garuth changed that enormously just in terms of the set piece play. If you remember, did you? Yeah. Is it the love train? Yeah. They started paying a lot of attention to set pieces. But yeah. Just a trend, Alexander Hanna, I mentioned, I can't have a conversation with you. I'm not talking about talking about him because he's probably one of the most talked about right backs we've heard about for years, especially in our country. As a pure right back, how highly do you rate him? What's your first thoughts when you think about Trent Alexander Hanna? Exceptional talent, like exceptional, different level that I've never seen anything like it from a point of delivery from a full back position. I was probably one of the first commentators pundits to give him a hard time for his defending being not as serious. I used to say to him, he's going to have to get serious about his defending or it's going to cost him. Explain that a little bit elaborate because that's quite easy. I understand what you're saying, but I think people watching or listening wouldn't necessarily do. Just tidy up things on your side. Make sure that the say that you used to say to me before ever getting about nothing down your side. Or make sure that your left-winger doesn't get joy. Make sure you're really low on your. Sometimes Trent would go and close down and play, not necessarily now, but in his early days in the first team in the first two or three years, he would ambel over to a left-winger quite slowly and he'd be quite upright in his body. You can see him, can't you? Quite upright. That's what he's like when he's on the ball. He's quite upright. As a defender, you need to be like that so you can go in there or you can go there because if your left-winger's going to go passion, you need to be able to go that way. Really start to get alert and start to get really busy in terms of where you're looking at. You're turning it look like you're serious about your defending and you look like you've got that tenacity. I never felt he looked like he had that tenacity and that sort of. He placed that much importance on it and I don't think he ever went the ball went past him. I don't think he ever saw him looking like he was getting back in. Don't you get him? And getting back in. Hard to do that. He's getting back in. You know it's like if you're playing it united and that ball goes all over your head, you can get back in to that near-pulse and you make sure you sprint back. You've got to make sure and imagine that you're going to get back in there and stop something and you wouldn't do sometimes. You'd almost let his right centre back come out behind him and then he wouldn't sprint back in and he wouldn't get back in. Things like that which the basics have been a full back. He didn't do any of these early just first two or three years. We had some bad habits but I went to meet him. I did an interview with him and I was so impressed by him and I was shocked by the fact that I'd read him wrong. The look for the game, the games he watches, the questions he asked me. I really enjoyed the conversation with him and I do believe from what I hear and I've spoken to people that he does do quite a lot of defensive work in terms of like one-on-one and getting out to the ball and people that have spoken to him, he does do a lot of that type of work. Did he ask you about any defending or a tics and stuff? He did ask me loads of questions on camera and off camera and he was almost like a two-way interview. He was really like quite good just speaking to him and I thought, right, okay so part of me, half of me real thinks we're mishandling a generational talent and it's same old England. How can we not get a player with that level of ability into our team? That's what part of me thinks and then part of me thinks, will Cups are about being the best team defensively? We know that the teams that win it ordinarily, the best team is defensively. Obviously they've got off-guard players going forward but they tend to also be really good at keeping clean sheets and if you're going into a major game against France and then Bappé was on the left, you're going to play Kyle Walker, you're probably going to play Reese James because he's a bit physically stronger. There's two things. One, he's also got a problem that he's had Kyle Walker, an incredible right back, particularly defensively in his speed. Reese James is a bit of a blend of Kyle and Trent and as he's got the actual delivery but he's also got the sort of power and his running that Trent's not got. I think the fact that Kieran tripped your play games in front of him and now Genspen's or Livre Mento or if I think of others who are going to play. Conzer, that must be really, really tough for him now because I can think you can live with Reese James and Kyle because they're two exceptional four backs Reese when he's fit but I think now when you've got Conzer playing in front of your Livre Mento, I think they're really solid, good players. But that's a real, this is now Gareth Southgate, Thomas Tuchel. And he starts to ask the question, are they both wrong? So I'm setting now a little bit stuck in between the idea of we're mishandling a massive talent who should be in England, Scott and I count and stand out he's not in the 26th, it's ridiculous. Two, are they both wrong, the managers? You've always got to ask yourself a question. Why would a manager leave a player out if they thought that they would make them better to win a World Cup? Because Thomas Tuchel and Gareth Southgate definitely want to win a World Cup and the European championships, we know that. You're going to take the players that they think are best to do it. So they're not doing it because of a personal dislike or anything like that, they're doing it because they don't feel that Trent will be contributory towards basically a tournament success. There's also one other thing with Trent, I think if he was on the bench, you know what I'm going to be saying in the studio for ITV or the UBC, we're going to be sat there if England plays someone and you've got cons or it right back and they've not scored a goal, we're going to say get Trent on. And I don't think sometimes England managers want that player, that it's so obvious that you need to get them on. That's true. So there's a bit of that as well. I'm going to ask you, what do you think, do you think England and Miss Handling mod do think they're actually right at the managed, because obviously you know. But I do think about the aspects you mentioned about there's some basic fundamentals in a defender that are non-negotiables, like you say, the recovery runs and the switching on concentration. And I liken him to myself at Westam. At Westam, I thought about being on the ball. I thought about what I'm going to do with the ball, how am I going to do a skill against the forward. ym yn y nesig sydd ymwysio'r gyfer i'n gwybod am yma. Ymw'n gwybod am yma yma. A'w'r gwybod am yr aegodd yn ddyswrn eu yma. Felly mae'n gwybod am yr aegodd yn ymwyr, a'w ymwyr yn gwybod am yr aegodd yn ddyswrn ei siol. A'w'r gwybod am yr aegodd yn ddyswrn ei siol. Ymw'n ddyslwy yn ddyswrn ei siol yma. Ymw'n gwybod am yr aegodd yn ddyswrn sydd yma aegodd yn ddyswrn, aegodd yn ddyswrn ei siol. Aegodd yn ddyswrn ei siol. United and Everton and England hundreds of times. He had an unbelievable life and he travelled everywhere and watched us all the time but he always had a good time. A big smile, that big smile was always a great time, always happy, completely opposite of me. Yeah, I do the same grumpy never. What's happened there? So yeah, I think that was the reason I think people cope obviously all the time. You've had to cope with incredible things, Rio. And I just think that's how I cope to them. It's like talking of coping, the morning of the funeral, the researchers behind the scenes told me that you went to a business meeting that morning and your sister led England out with that ball. Yeah, so basically my, we went over to Australia, my sister carried on coaching. When we got there, the bassist said that they were just keeping him alive by the machine. And I remember, my sister on the game the next day and we agreed that basically we'd turn the machine off. After the game, she'd finished the game and then she'd come back and when she came back we'd over there, me, Philippine Tracy and my mum. And basically we'd turn the machine off. So we made that decision that we had to turn the machine off at a certain point and Tracy, but we said let's not do it before Tracy plays, let's do it. So Tracy went into that game. The team didn't even know. The team didn't even know when she came back and then basically we turned the machine off and we sort of, that was it then at that point. There is it to be fair, I was remember the doctor coming in and sort of sitting down with us and you had to fill in a form like and my mum got asked a question, would you like to donate any of his organs? And all of us went quiet and I didn't know whether my mum was going to snap her and I didn't really say anything for wanting my life and my mum went, who the bloody hell would want that lot? And I just thought do you all see my mum was amazing. I thought, you know that just sums my mum up, the idea of just getting on with it. A mum, we went back to England and then I've sort of had to wait, but yeah, and then the morning of the funeral, I had this event booked in with the council where we were going to launch our project in Manchester, but there were people flying in from Asia, there were people flying in from different parts of the world and I wouldn't let anyone down so I went and launched that project at 9.30 in the morning and then my dad's a few knows I got half a living, I went straight up there. But you're something then, there is a little bit of the abnormal about I think a player who played on the Strelix Fogues and do you think there's a little bit of something a bit like abnormal? You remember when I had some times, there were sometimes lads who had the parents pass away or they had some time. For sure, no, it was dad, remember? Yeah, and sometimes they had lads who maybe their wives were, I remember Andy Cole, someone came into our dressing room and this was probably 95, 96 and I remember someone saying that he was having a baby, his wife had gone into hospital to have a baby and he said the team's been picked, I'll play the game and I'll go, he said the team aren't been picked, he bought the team's been picked, I'm playing, I always remember that. So there's a bit of something about that dressing, I don't know if it comes from that idea, you have to continue, you have to carry on. Is that all the manager? The manager, I think yeah, there's an element of a thing, just that thing, you've got to carry on. And I always think that about a football player, a lot of them have things going on before matches on a Saturday, but in the 75,000 in old traffic, Manchester United can't lose a football game because you've got a personal problem. My bad. You can't. So you're going out onto that pitch, that crowd that don't know about your personal problem, it could be your relationship break, it could be someone's, it'll be an ill in your family. I'm sorry, you can't go out onto that pitch in front of those fans and let them down. News that's an excuse. And news that's an excuse, you've got to make sure you're right for them. And that is it. So there's an element of that I think runs through sort of the dressing room and I think runs through sort of like the club and that you don't let your teammates down, you don't let your other down, you don't let your family down. You've got a little bit on that one, you. He's massive on not letting people down, not letting your teammates down, not letting your fans down. So I think there's an element of that and then so there's an element of that when you sort of, your dad passes away or your mum passes away. What choice have you got? You've either got a stop or you've got to continue. And the only real choice that all of us have really is to continue. No, no. I was the same. I threw myself into work. I was out all the time and my kids have seen me being up trying to be positive and being a good example in that sense or being an example in that sense. You know what, on your podcast I've seen Karron, you know, taking a mick at you every now and again. Every now and again. Every 10 minutes. It's not a key big call. But just you being on the go all the time. And given what did happen, has ever you ever looked at it and I'm going to adjust this a little bit. Roy did say that to me, I think on the podcast last year. I think I'd like a little rash here. I can't need some cream. I can't really what it was. I've got to wrap it. It's a slow down, Gary. When he speaks, it matters, you know what I mean. You need to slow down. So sometimes it does hit me a little bit. But it's difficult. It's difficult because, yeah, it's difficult to slow down. Yeah, it's not what I am. It's not what I do. So. It is my turn. You are just, it's like the word relentless is you. That is you. Relentless. It's just constant. But it's the word sums up, I think, all of our lives. So the reason I call my business relentless and I did it because I thought, "Yo, what's the one word that I think most represents my last 20 years?" It united. No matter what happened every single day, win lose or draw, you had to come back the next day. Next season, if you want to come back and win it again, it was non-stop. There was never a point whereby you were able to relax and maybe when you won a trophy for a couple days or something like that, you might say, but you were never allowed to come back the next season. I think that's just the life that everyone's living. Just become normal, right? Yes, I feel a bit like that. But when you were on my side, when are you going to stop? But if I heard that you were going to live in Dubai, I wouldn't do that and I don't think I could do that. But actually, it was a bit of admiration for the idea of sort of saying, "Ram, I'm just going to step away from it a little bit." When you said I'm not doing television anymore and I'm going to sort of go away and sort of, I thought, "Yeah, that sounds great. I'm not sure I could do it or I wouldn't do it, I don't think." But it's bold to actually sometimes make that sort of decision to say, "Right, this is a good, massive change." And people do it all the time, I'm just doing work. But I just think to be fair, I don't think I've got that in me. I live in Manchester, I'll always live in Manchester because I feel like I do feel like I owe my city, I feel like I owe the people there, I feel like I need to be there and I feel like I need to be there for my businesses. I've set things going on the track that if I'm not there, how can I expect them to work for me, if I'm not there, how can I expect people to turn up every day with enthusiasm, with desire and commitment and love what they do, if I'm not there, that's how I feel a little bit about it. So I think, "No, I've got to commit, I've committed to them, so I'm going to stay with them." You know what I mean? So I wasn't going to go into this, but now you said that, like an incident a lot of people were seeing it, it's actually gone viral now, this clip, crazy. You're just walking through the city something with your wife, I think, on the way to a concert. A man who's been telling us now, just sitting here now that he absolutely loves these city, the fight for his city is loyal to you, he's always going to stay here. How did you reflect on that type of incident and the actual response that you were getting recently? Our view was, if you get criticized, you get sung about from opposition fans, all sparing, love and war. But I do think there is a line when your wife's there. I agree. And at the airport, my wife was there and my kids were there. So I think if I'm on my own, you could argue some people might say, "You brought it upon yourself." Okay, no problem, I've got me. You know, city fans, maybe at Wemble, I think, do you remember the carabell? I've got finally. Yeah, yeah. "You're going to have fun with city fans behind me." Yeah, that city fans, having a got me, I used to play FIFA United. Do you understand that? I understand that. Completely get that. I smile at them, I go like that, it's a bit of, that's fine, no problem at all. I think if you're actually in the street and you with your wife, or you would have found that I'd expect a grown man to say, "Okay, not today." But then, you know, he didn't. He. I should have filmed him. He cut the camera off at a point where I think he started to make himself look a little bit silly. So he's short on the video. It's actually that video, he followed me for two minutes. Yeah, the video's about 30 seconds. So basically after that, I started smiling at him and he started getting really aggressive and sort of even more aggressive and to be fair, he's cut that bit off, he sort of left it in a bit of a thing, but I love my city. And I'm not going to leave my city because basically a guy is having a got me on a Saturday night. He never just walks away from me because she's fracked, she's thinking. Yeah, she's fracked, there's a lady. The guy's got an aggressive dog with him. It looked like an aggressive dog, it might not have been, but it looked, it looked like a bulldog. And I thought at one point, he said, "Let the dog go." I generally thought he's not like the dog go at one point. He didn't do to be fair to him. So, you know, I accept that. But he was really like, he thought, "Is he going to come over and hit me? Is he going to come over and have a go?" He's going to let the dog go. And he don't know. I mean, I'm walking to a concert. I'm walking to watch James play. Bandai love. And it's sat in the night, seven o'clock, eight o'clock in Manchester. It's just nice. Very, they might have love and sort of conversation and sometimes humour. Yeah, that's lovely humour. It's humour, a bit of a pull. It's usually the Liverpool fan of sitting. Liverpool fan always has a quip. Oh, it's the local government. They can't walk past that saying something. Yeah, they have a team fan. You think they're a Liverpool fan for a minute, but then they're an Everton fan and then they sort of make a joke with you because it feels played from city fans, spot city fans in my life. - I'm not a man, I'm just a mile away. (laughing) - You can spot them by the way they look at you. You just know this is a city fan. And yet usually to be fair, I don't think I've ever had any aggression. I've never had any aggression from city fans in mind. Just generally there's a humorous, there's a banter element to it. There's not an aggression, but I used to hate you and all that type of stuff. - Did you care what people think about you as a pundit now? Oh, it's a change of fashion. Do you have any care at all? - No, it's got to a point now where, I get killed a lot, probably. - It's a good thing now. When you're getting killed, you being talked about in any particular way, you're being people's eyesight. - Well, there's the United Flags that traveled with us everywhere, like home and abroad, hated a door but never ignored. And there is an element of, you're either gonna be hated or a doored, but if you're ignored, it's the worst. So that's the one, but I generally think that, I saw Karasong, I'm gonna go at Karar, I've never seen that. - I see that, yeah. - See that? It's happening a lot, so I'm gonna go at Roy, obviously, at Arsenal, like a year and a half ago. So it's happening quite a lot now at grounds where, the fans are sort of like starting to get a little bit more. Now I've never had it at a football ground, but I've had abuse. But I've never had it where that little - That's a big sort of come up to. - No, I've never had a city fan that brightened away on last day of the season when they won the league four or five years go through a beer over me. But I reckon if Gary Neville ran through a group of city fans, I reckon I probably, I remember walking out and thinking, oh my God, I saw them. And I was expecting a beer to be. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He didn't happen, yeah, yeah. - No, you threw a beer over me. - Oh, that's, I was that family. - Yeah, it's on camera, you guys on YouTube, you can find it, it's a video, the video, the it. I ran through a lot of city fans to get up to the sort of compound that brightened you'll be in the go away, walk up them steps. And the city fans, it's the way I end, and they'd won the league. So I think it was quite lucky to get away with just the beer being thrown at me, you know what I mean? (laughing) I was expecting probably a bit worse than that, you know what I mean? So I think there's an element of, yeah. I genuinely has no impact on me whatsoever. It did do when I was younger when I was a player, like 23, 24, 25, and I went through a bad time. And I remember sort of at the time thinking, you know, it really got to me, pretty 2000 euros. But beyond that, I've been pretty good, even Valencia to be fair. That was a horrendous amount of criticism I deserved. So, you know, there are a lot of times where I've got criticism and I just think, yeah, I think I've probably had that during my life, really, during my career, me and my brother, every time he went away, to an away ground, if the levels can play for anyone so can I, we were mocked, you know, jolt and stuff. - That's not gonna happen. - Yeah, it's not gonna happen. - It's not gonna happen. (laughing) - I spoke to a few United fans before, you arrived and I'm just talking about 'em, did some doing that and sometimes I throw a like this and give me a few questions or whatever. Quite a few of them were saying to me, asking why he shows we think less passion and positive it about us. - Now it's a pundit, yeah. - It's a balanced story, isn't it? It's like on Sunday, Turkey scores, you cover in the biggest game in the country. It's an unbelievable goal. I've got to make sure that I generate some of them from what people have, you know, I've got to generate some from my time. Do I want City to win the league? I absolutely don't want City anywhere near the league title. I'll say it on here now. I don't live in Poulos City to ever win a game of football together. (laughing) I genuinely don't. I genuinely do it. But do you know something, to be professional and sort of do the very best? And sometimes maybe I don't get the balance right with the United, how hard is games I do? - Hmm. - To get the balance right, now if you remember, it scores the goals it couldn't you're on Burma on the counter attack against Manchester City and carers first game, Michael's first game. Oh my God, Bruno, it plays it through. Is it in Burma or is it, couldn't you? - It's in Burma, it's in Burma. - It's in Burma. - Real, I've screamed on the camera, listen to the goal, play it back, I scream. You can hear me in the background. That's my microphone down. I'm literally my veins are popping out my neck. And they might have complaints that came in about that. We're unbelievable. - Oh, is it? - Yeah, massive. The thing that might, to be fair, people might think is that I'm more critical of United when they don't play well sometimes, I think over the last maybe 10 years, the balance maybe I've not got it right. Sometimes I think it's maybe unjust. - Sometimes you're not just saying what you see. - Well, last week I got, I think I got, I think the guy who basically, I speak to sometimes about my social media particularly my LinkedIn stuff. He said to me, "You got a load of criticism "from United fans after the lead game." And I went, "Yeah, but we played really badly." I said, "We were shocking." I said, "But if you go and watch the commentary "of the sitting Arsenal games in, you know, "Mikers first too much," he said, "I was like, that's unbelievable performance, "I mean, so I don't know." Like I said, "Uniting is definitely the hardest games "for me to do to get the balance right." Because there's a lot of criticism comes my way, if I over-egg the enthusiasm and there's a lot of criticism comes my way from United fans. If I sort of get it a little bit like, if they feel I'm not sort of getting that sort of sentiment right. But if you said to me, "Don't COVID-19 games for Sky, "let me just sit in the stand and watch." And I'd say, "Yeah, all day long." But I don't, I still do the games. Yeah, it's difficult. - All right, listen, we've had you long enough. When it's finished, we've won thing we do with all of our guests and we need them to create a five-assigned team, the best players that they played with no goalkeepers, 'cause we don't really, don't goalkeepers aren't. - No goalkeepers. - No real footballers are there. - Oh, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wei Muni, Roy Keane, Paul Skolls, Ryan Giggs. - Ryan Giggs. - Could you just elaborate a little bit on a couple of those. - I've just got, Ryan Giggs, what was so great about Ryan Giggs? - Ryan Giggs, for me age of 16 to the age of 40, has played at a level that, like, there. Like, up there for like, what, how many years? That, 23 years, 24 years. It's games from unsunited, it's trophies from unsunited, it's longevity, it's fitness, it's adaptation to being a lively winger to becoming a Santa forward, to being a number 10, to being a sitting-mid field player. - Dictating. - Dictating play. If you think of sort of like Bernadol Silver on Sunnifor City, it reminded Giggs he could be like that, you know, a little bit, we weren't that type of team that you'd go back and get it off the back for, but he's that type of influence at the end, wasn't he? Unbelievable, in that career. And yeah. - Could you argue he's the best Premier League player ever? You're a good one. - Definitely up there in the top three, top five. Premier League players have 100%. - Go on Skolls, eh? - Skolls, eh. - My lot of love Skolls play with Skolls, eh? Unless you've played, I think there are a lot of people who don't get sort of love or the admiration, the importance of Skolls, particularly in that last six or seven years when you played with him, very different than in the first six, seven years when I played with him, but that last six or seven years from probably 2005, six, through to 2012, he ran the biggest football matches in the country and in Europe in midfield. He was Javi, he was Pilo. There are very few players I've seen dictate the place and that pace and the rhythm of a football match. And I think unless you've played with someone like that or understand how that works, and really, you're talking about courage of getting on the ball in the most difficult games. If you're going to the Bernabéu or the New Camp and the old Trafford games against Massive Team, you're a bit edgy aren't you, but then you have a player who sometimes just give it here, you know, you lot spread out by the way, stop. Stop stringing. We all want people to come closer so we can give it to him. He's going, go away, talk and take what he wants. We want this. And he wants that. So he used to say to me, it snapped at me literally three or four times again. If I didn't split, because he knew then that that would pull their wide midfield players out, which would get spaces and all the pathways into him. And unless you've played with that, and then the ability to switch play, add a different sort of what would be pace and interjection of sort of like passing to a game, the one round the corner, the exception on the half turn and deep and just honestly, I think that he is the best player. The most important player that I played with at the United last six, seven, eight years. - Of course. - Yeah, I just think he ran the whole team. And then Michael Carrickle and Sadie was brilliant as well in that period. - Well, what about Roy? - Roy, the highest standards and biggest influence I've ever seen in a football team. In terms of influence on the pitch, influence off the pitch, the standards, the demands, the intensity, the. Yeah, I've never seen anybody as influential on a football pitch as him. - Did you have any rounds of them? - Try to figure it out. - Yeah, once in a commentary. - In a commentary way, but before UK, yeah. I took an extra touch on the cross, I should have put it in a way. (laughing) I've spoken to him about it a lot. But I've never seen anybody as compelling, driven, intense, set the standards. Everybody else sort of, you think about sort of like the hardest working on the best players, first in the gym, the hardest working in the gym, which means that everybody else then follows behind it. And it sets that example of standards and intensity and non-stop never giving in. He had all that. - Mm-hmm. ac organised a castal scald olambodd yma? A tabeso ei eit sydd genna Dang Jones di'ol— a gwyrddaiau ac somio weithio, mawn agause brei. Myn amやdol troorgolaeth, bobl, am gyda meddwl 's honestlya clingweet? Mae hyn a sertrapio, yw ' shadoweddoог cyw favourite Rachdraeth Gifael Regodel meidot fewdysOTHAD - Ojol pan o lie yn Tyyrg Armys yw'n gallu'r llyfod yn caelol, a'r llyfod yn caelol, ac mae'r llyfod yn caelol yn ymwch, mae'r llyfod yn caelol a'r llyfod yn caelol am gyda meddwl, mae'r llyfod yn caelol ac mae'r llyfod yn caelol yn ymwch i'r llyfod yn caelol. Mae'r llyfod yn caelol, ac mae'r llyfod yn caelol yn caelol. Mae hyn a'r llyfod yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol. Mae hyn a'r llyfod yn caelol. Mae hyn a'r llyfod yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol yn caelol. Mae hyn a'r llyfod yn caelol 5 years of that and I'm never seen a player play at that level in a red shirt for 3 years. It was absolutely mesmerising and then when you throw rune and tevez into the mix with it and gigs honestly, it's when you watch it is not a myth. Sometimes you say like, you know, in my day it was better. That actually I can talk from a point of view of I didn't play in that team for that season in 2008. If you go and watch the clips of those 3 and gigs and skulls and you watch the speed of attacks and obviously they didn't get the numbers of these sort of pairs but I think of Bale, Benzema, Ronaldo at Real Madrid and I think of Messi, Nema, as well as those 3 that you think they could be the best 3 players in the world all in the same team. There's a bit of that about Tevez Runeer and Aldo in that sort of 2-thousand 7-8 season. Like what were we watching? We were watching something that's like, 'put me never going to happen again'. But I just think that was unbelievable and Cristiano in that time. I'm never sitting like that. And then Waza is the best Waza. Poo. Waza is the best centre forward. So people say to me, 'Who's the best striker?' I might say, 'Rude Vanisteroi' Alan Sheer, if you say, 'Who is the best forward that I played with at United?' It's Wain Runeer. The best tackler, the best header, the best goal scorer, the best assist maker, runner, the best fighter, the best runner, the best, aggressive, he played football I was using the streets till as a kid. He was the best forward I ever saw at Manchinite. He does a play. I'd never seen anybody who could do all of this. He was a mixture of my art use. Rude Vanisteroi. Erick Cantanar. Paul Skulls in the pocket and on the half turn. He was a mixture of all those players pulled together. Right York. He was a mixture of all the best of those players that we were amazing. All of the things that they could do. You could drop in. You could get on the half turn. You could pass. You could find the pass. You could finish. You could head left foot right foot. You could sprint back and defend. Honestly, he's the best forward I've ever seen at Old Traffin in my time. It's mad as well. When he first signed, he was a lunatic after pitch. It's mad, don't you? He had it all together on the pitch. He comes from a part of the world that even I speak to Cara. And he speak to Waza. And they come from that Liverpool, the spirit of that sort of community that they've grown up in. And I didn't experience that. I grew up in a great community. I loved it a bit. But I think everything in their childhoods or everybody was a fight. His fight, probably with his brother, his dad, his uncle, his best mate. And then probably going for a drink with him and then playing football. Everything's probably a massive scrap to get every way. I can imagine him sort of like getting up in the morning, like, you're just fucking ripping his fucking sheet. He's just ripping it. Yeah, he just fucking ripping his sheets on. Let me help you. You can imagine everything being like that for Waza Khan. And he had that with the man number 2004 in the European Championships Day of the Quarter Final against Portugal. And he absolutely had tennis out on the tennis court. And it's 30 degrees. What the fuck are you doing? I'm bored. I can't wait for tonight. And I'm there like, you know if somebody is fe going in the elbow. And he's there like, can't wait for it. And that's the mentality of someone that you just, I can't put myself in that place, in that mindset. That's different. We're all different. Honestly, Gazz, I really appreciate it. Lovely to see you. Thank you very much. [muzyka]