83. Garmin Buys TrainingPeaks, a Mile World Record, and Gyms Closing

All right. What is up, folks? Welcome back to another episode of Lifting, Running, and Living with your favorite podcasters, Kelly. Hello. Hey, and JK, that's me. Kicking off episode number 83, per the usual, we're going to get into some updates and then a couple of topics that we'll chat about. Kelly is going to give us a full detailed, leaving no information out. Sure. The recent breaking of the world record. Men's world record. Men's world record. Thank you for the clarification. Yes. Men's world record for the one mile run. And I want to talk about a trend that I'm seeing with brick and mortar gyms closing down. Yeah, I'm curious about that. Yeah. All right. Well, before we get into that, well, let's do race. Let's, well, let's do your, your update. You've got race schedule on your update. I'll talk about my training update. And then per popular, meaning one person reached out to me and asked about this. Thanks, Matt. Popular demand. We'll, uh, we'll talk about anything with brick updates too, because the people are asking again. Thanks, Matt, for asking. We did have a few weeks in a row. So, you know, I thought, I thought you're about to say a few people ask. I was like, bro, we were on a roll with our updates for brick. I know for a bit there. Yeah. Got to give them what they want. All right. Uh, let's get into personal updates. So what, what do you got going on? I have solidified my fall racing schedule. Oh, I should say summer and fall. Okay. Um, so my next race is a one mile race in two weeks. That one's been on the schedule. Um, but then in September, I added another mile. A road. These are both road miles. Yeah. Okay. Um, so that'll be like second week of September. And then my main race is the Baltimore 5k October 17th. That one's been, that's always been on the calendar. I've been working towards that since it's been on the calendar pretty much for most of the year. Um, but then I officially signed up for the five case that I've done in the past two years. So there'll be one the weekend. And then I'll be on the calendar for the rest of the year. After the Baltimore race. And then two weeks after that, another one. So two miles separate to one mile races. Correct. Got it. Three, five K races. Uh, and then there will be another one. Uh, cause the next one mile race is part of the park series. They haven't released the date of the last one, but that hopefully it won't be the same weekend as the pumpkin pie five K again, but you never know. It'll be that weekend or the weekend before this sounds like a packed, a chock full race season for you. Yeah. I really liked the three, five Ks last year. Cause I did the Baltimore one, then ghosts and goblins and pumpkin pie. So I'm doing that again. Um, yeah, it just felt easier to improve cause there wasn't that much time between races. So I knew what was coming wise in the five K and going back to the Baltimore one. Now I know that course, which I'm very excited about so I can try to push more. Do you, do you know the largest number of events you've done in one calendar year? I would guess it was in college cause there's a lot of races. Oh, okay. Yeah. Let me see. That is fair. That is fair. Yeah. Outside of your collegiate career. Uh, what would you say is what, what would you guess is the most number of events that you've done regardless of distance this year is probably calendar year this year is probably. So I've done, what have I done? I did one in March. Okay. Did I do another one in the spring? I can't even remember. Let me pull up my little training log. I, I was about to ask if there was a spreadsheet. No, not a spreadsheet. I have training peaks, no event spreadsheet. Okay. No, it's, um, it's like a, like train heroic, but running. Yeah. Yeah. I'm familiar. Yeah. Okay. Or I'm familiar with acquired by Garmin. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about that in a second. I have a follow-up question about that for you, but I wanted to ask about the event thing. Okay. That was the only race I did in spring, that two mile, the first park series, then the hill climb. Oh my gosh. I did a lot of races last year too. I think, I think this one has one more. No, it'll have two more than last year. Cause I didn't do the September race last year. I didn't do the March one, but like the rest are the same. So, so what's the, so how many did you hold on? I've done two and I have five, of coming to seven as of now. Okay. So to your record, yeah. To my record, to your recollection, this is probably going to be a record breaking year. Yeah. Okay. That's legit. Oh wait, no. Last year I had the track race too. I forgot about the track race, but no, I'll have, I'll still have the mile, the other, the road mile that I am doing this year and the other park series that I didn't do last year. So I think last year I had seven. Okay. So I think that's legit. So I think that's six races. Oh wait. Okay. Last year did I go? Sorry. Oh my gosh. I might've gone to San Diego last January. Cause I used to do that. I don't remember. We'll say seven, right around seven. Was that last? Weren't you in? No, I think that was 2025. Cause I didn't do it this year. Cause my brother was moving to Costa Rica. Oh my gosh. You're right. It was 20. So I think last year I had seven as well. Okay. There was one where you were somewhere. I thought, no, nevermind. Nevermind. Okay. Okay. So you're thinking, I think seven last year, last year and this year and this year. Okay. Gotcha. All right. Yeah. Lots of races, but that's the benefit of doing short distances. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool though. So yeah. Be in a position to do that many events. That's, I mean, it, I know that based on what you've, based on what you just mentioned schedule wise, it seems like they're more like backloaded kind of more fall for the, for the most part. I'm not a fan of the spring races. Training through winter is hard. Yeah. I was just thinking basically that if you, if you average it out over a year, it's essentially like one every other month. If you average it out, I realize it's not the actual calendar, but yeah, that's kind of cool. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. So I'm over 90 here for two weeks straight and with no sign of stopping. So I don't have high hopes for the next one mile. Cause I think it starts at like 9am, which will be warm. Fair. Okay. Training, um, training peaks, the, the purchase of training peaks, train heroic by Garmin, which I'm, I know the, the email, cause I, I have trained heroic. That's what I use for my group training platform. Excuse me. So I got that email. However, I had already been aware that they had all combined into a thing because of some other, it's like some other stuff that I was searching for and somehow stumbled upon them all being on the same site. Oh yeah. But yeah. Anyways. So it was a week to two weeks ago, like prior to getting that email anyway. So, um, what, like what does it matter to you? Do you have questions? I've seen some stuff posted from some people who have questioned, okay, well, what's going to happen with my data? Are there different, um, are there different data privacy rules or. Standards now that they're being, now that there'd be underneath Garmin, um, stuff like that. Like, do you, does that stuff enter your head? Like when you hear about the, no, the takeover, I guess, takeover or purchase sell whatever. No. Cause all of my data on training piece comes from my Garmin watch. So Garmin has all of that data already for me personally. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. So I've never used a Garmin training plan. But I don't like Garmin's like calendar feature. I think it's awful. Granted, I've only looked at it on. Yeah, I've only looked at it on my app. Oh, yeah. I haven't looked at it on a browser, but I can't imagine it's any better there. Yeah, I've just never looked that deep into it at all. Like, not at all. Well, that's how, like. But I'm not a runner, so. Yeah, for running, I look at things on a weekly level. Yeah. And, like, if I want to go back, it's very hard in Garmin to find a previous workout. You have to, like, go. It's so annoying now that I'm thinking about this. Because I was trying to find my hill climb from last year in my Kinect app. Yeah. And you have to. Like, you can't change the month and year. You have to use the little arrows and go month by month, which. Yeah, I'm looking at it now. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, you just have to keep going back. It's like hitting the back browser, back browser. Yes. Like, the back button on a browser. Yeah. Versus, like, I can't search. Can't search for an event, to my knowledge. And, yeah. So, I think for Garmin, it probably makes sense to acquire someone else that has a better interface and user experience for training plans. Okay. I will be curious what happens and how they plan to move forward. Is there anything on the train heroic side that you've thought about? Not in the least bit. Like, with Garmin taking over? Yeah. Yeah. No, I haven't. And also, my primary use for train heroic, like I said, is building group programs. And then I've moved a couple of my one-on-one clients over to it in a semi-perfect world. Just about all of them, except maybe one. So, I would move over just with the things that are important to them with ease of use of the app itself, being able to swap movements. Like, train heroic from a group training standpoint. I've had some conversations behind the scenes with some other coaches who are trying to just get some advice on training apps to use and different things like that. But from a training standpoint, I think it's one of the most user-friendly from a client perspective that's out there just because a couple of the key things are you can move. You can move workouts on your own. It's very easy to do. And also, you can swap movements. And your coach, it can have, like, suggested. So, if the leg extension isn't available, you can just hit swap and it'll give you, like, if your coach pre-programs suggestions, it's already in there. So, just, I say all that just to say, like, that's primarily what I use it for. So, when I think about Garmin taking them over, I don't see, like, I have a Garmin. I use that, but it's very, it's for a very different reason than I do anything. Now, the point that was brought up in a few, it was mostly threads posts, I think, that I saw. The point that was brought up was around what sort of impact it will have to now have these three platforms that have different data sets and how are they utilizing AI. Like, how are they going to be utilizing that in order to teach? How are they going to teach their AI models how to interpret all the data? And that, I think, could be really interesting, especially because both Train Heroic, now, I have no familiarity with what's inside of Training Peaks. With Train Heroic, one of the upgrades that you can get from, like, a basic account to a pro is you can see where you stack up against other people within your age group. And, like, all that stuff. Yeah. And same thing in Garmin. You know, it's going to tell you how you, where your VO2 max is compared to other people within your age or gender or whatever. Uh-huh. So, I'm interested to see if, well, not even see because they're probably not going to release all this, but it'll be interesting if behind the scenes they lean towards, like, one already existing algorithm with how they're going to use it. How to calculate, how to analyze, how they're analyzing things or if it's a collection or how that goes. Because I've always felt really good about Garmin's, um, how Garmin analyzes information. Hmm. But, I don't know. And that's just based on a very small sample size with a couple of people that I know who use the Garmin. Like, they paid to get the upgrade to have the Garmin, like, coaching feature. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Like, I know, I know one person specifically who runs the Boston Marathon every year. Uh-huh. And she paid for the upgrade. I don't know if that's the same as their, yeah, maybe that's the same as their active intelligence or whatever. But, yeah. She paid for that so that she could get another perspective because she's been coaching herself for, like, years. I don't think she's ever had a coach. Yeah. And she's in her 50s. So, yeah. Yeah. It'd be interesting to see. I'd be curious. Who comes up with that? I'll be curious if, so, like, TrainingPeaks over the past year added more functionality for strength training. Mm-hmm. But it's still lacking compared to platforms that were specifically built with strength training in mind. I'll be curious if us TrainingPeaks users will now get access to train heroic and vice versa. Hmm. You know? Yeah, almost like a bundle sort of deal. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Who, man, who knows? Yeah. Very interesting, especially in this time where it seems like, I mean, it's hybrid is totally what's in right now. Like, being a hybrid athlete. So, you know? Yeah. Good thing there's a podcast out there called Lifting and Running and Living. Just in case anybody wants to throw us a little sponsorship for people that are already using one, at least one of the platforms. Definitely. Collectively, we use all three. Yeah. You know what? There we go. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Somebody send up the good word. All right. Yeah. All right. Well, yeah. I just had that. I was just curious if that was a thing for you. Yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah. They all share my data anyway. Yeah. Facts. Okay. You got anything else on your end? No. Just. No. Excited about racing coming up. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Well, I have no, I don't have any races coming up. Yeah. Not even rock and roll, which you expressed interest in. I definitely did not. Those are lies. What is it? You sit on a throne of lies. I can take the screenshot. I saw this one clip of, for those who don't know the inside joke, I saw this one clip of a live band playing and it was Lincoln Park. I think that was the song they were playing, but it was from Lincoln Park and they were playing like during some sort of a race. It just seemed like a good vibe, good energy, that sort of thing. And I was like, oh yeah, I could see, you know, somewhere around where you're starting to get a little tired or whatnot. It's like when your, your playlist like picks up. Yeah. Actually having it be like a live band and whatnot. That, that seems pretty cool. So that's a cool idea. And I was like, oh yeah, I could totally see that being something that would be energizing. I'm still not signing up. No, you said something more specific than that. You said something like. This would get me going. Yeah, it would. If I, yeah. It's funny how you interpreted that as like, I'm signing up for whatever race, so. No, I'm not remembering what you said correctly and my phone is bricked, so I can't check it. It was something, this would make me like a running event. It was something like that. And I was like, so you're saying there's a chance. I will happily pull this up very quickly. Okay. This would make a run event slightly better. That is what I said. Okay. Yeah. So you're cracking the door open. Yep. That's if that's what you want to call it. Letting in the possibility. So you're saying there's a chance. It's like when somebody says no instead of hell no. It's like, oh, so that's just a soft no. Yeah. Anyways, um, training update. That'll be my update. Um, man, I am, I am still rocking this three, three lifting sessions. Per week. Yeah. Still rocking the three lifting sessions per week, full body sessions. And then the other days are some form of cardio, uh, whether it be moderate intensity, which most of them have been moderate intensity, mostly on the, the bike or, um, the rower stuff like that. So the three days per week, um, still don't like it at all and, um, committed to do it through the end of July. My S it has, um, it is, yeah, it is. Um, I have noticed that, um, with, with more flexibility on the non lifting days, then, um, I've forced myself to stay in bed a little bit longer and by a little bit longer, it's like, you know, 4:40 that I get up so, uh, so yeah, this past week, my sleep average got over. over six hours, so I crossed over six hour hump I think it was like six hours and four minutes oh my god yeah so um yeah the three days per week you know what this week we're recording this on a Sunday normally I I would lift on Sunday Tuesday Friday uh this week already there was an advantage there is an advantage to having the three lifting days because there's a bit more flexibility with where I can plug those in so today um just based on how things were feeling recovery wise and preparation and work schedule and other things going on this morning it was better for me to just plug in cardio this morning instead of my lift so now I'll just do I'll as of right now I'll lift on Monday Tuesday but definitely a lot more I mean there's a lot more flexibility with the lifting because my lifting sessions take about an hour and a half excuse me um total whereas with the cardio it's something that's a lot more flexible with the lifting because my lifting sessions take about somewhere around you know 30 ish minutes yeah somewhere around there so yeah there that's one advantage that I'll say is definitely they're having more flexibility and I think we talked about either last episode or the one before that when you were asking me okay so why are you doing that and one of the uh you were asking me about the body recomp I think yeah maybe why I was going to that because you're doing it for a year yeah yeah yeah that's what I was asking about yeah just finished week number two uh and the this first like three to four weeks of um moving to a three-day split is also related to um the body recomp focus as opposed to going into a specific like super deep fat loss phase it's about like making incremental changes and incremental improvement so that I can dedicate more time to other things so yeah so yeah I'm still I'm still rolling with it for now I just I I thrive when it comes to training I thrive on frequency yeah yeah I definitely thrive on frequency so so you might try it go back to four days next week possibly yeah yeah I might I might go back to four days so we'll see um I don't know that I would go to four like um four structured lifting days I could see myself doing something like still stick with the program that I follow for the three days yeah and then a fourth day uh being being something that it's just flexible I can do whatever each week it's more of like a just kind of I plan it the day before yeah you know if there's if I feel like there's some lagging lagging muscle groups or anything like that then I could do that but yeah we'll see but I'm sticking I'm sticking with it so far so yeah it does sound hard uh yeah it's yeah especially again especially when you you really really thrive on frequency I have noticed though also that it is paying off that's good from getting being more I've been more productive in some of my business stuff so I had to switch or not switch but I decided to switch my entire my email list over to go high level um for just a different platform yeah yeah so I'd exported the whole list and I know that there was a way to just to like import it all but yeah you know I figured let's not do that let's just hand key everything so oh my god why would you do that it's 71 people it's not that difficult that's still it's just time consuming yeah so but that's done so yeah whatever it's that's done like I got that done so that's all good that's good so slowly but surely I'm getting there all right gosh those are my updates uh let's talk uh the brick and then we'll get into the I forgot about yeah uh let's see let's let's say from a on a scale of one to ten where are you on your brick experience now compared to where you were like are you saying it's still a 10 like move forward you're saying like one it's I don't recommend or where are you at right now I would still recommend okay um are you still using it consistently yeah I still have my two schedules on so like it'll auto okay yeah auto kicks on um the only well I forgot about this okay so you know how I told you that I need something to brick my laptop yeah yeah um well somehow my laptop updated it logged me out of everything Instagram Facebook threads because they're all connected meta won't let me log in oh yeah it'll be like your password's wrong you have to reset it I'll go to reset and it's like what is the code we sent to your phone and they never send me a code so I cannot log in on my laptop so I'm not going to be able to log in on my laptop now I'm more annoyed with the brick because it is actually blocking me from Instagram and threads as it's intended to do oh that's funny I know but now I'm like oh if I want to just like I would get on my laptop if I want to just like pop in and see something right but now I'm like oh I gotta walk over to my fridge and unbrick and then okay it's good now you're getting the real experience yeah but I I am severely annoyed at meta not my brick because I'm like what why aren't you sending me a code and you know like Instagram I'm sure I believe TikTok is probably the same way like it's definitely built for a phone it is it's definitely not built for like a desktop but I can't even log into Facebook now like I use Facebook to log into Instagram oh okay so I'm both not that I went on Facebook that much but it is a little concerning I am still logged in on my phone yeah who knows what happens the day I get logged out of that I'll have to call meta is what's going to happen or talk to their robots move back on over to my space yeah yeah seriously um but the brick is good in my daily life it's not I don't notice it as much yeah because I'm always home not always but you know what I mean like I'm usually with my brick I think a key too is that you have that schedule that's set up like the auto scheduling okay yeah the 8 p.m. sometimes I've been playing some more games on my phone and the 8 p.m. cutoff really is it's really cutting me off well I mean you could if you if it was really that annoying you could take you could change it there there have been a couple nights because I'm like oh I'm so close to the next level that's really funny I don't change I just unbrick and then re brick but yeah for the most part I'm like well my time here is done I guess yeah I've I've come to the realization that I I need to I would be best suited to go ahead and put the schedule back on because I just have gone too long of periods without bricking it and yeah so I I'm going to starting tomorrow I'm gonna I'm gonna set the schedule again starting tomorrow on Monday because yeah I need to yeah I'm still an evangelist for the brick so I'd still 10 out of 10 recommend it I was just talking to talking to another coach about it it just came up in conversation and the one thing that I just recommend to people who have some sort of social media platform is just get real specific about like if you're gonna utilize the brick like have some sort of a setting that or take into account how active you are for your business on social media with your settings and again I don't know if there's any sort of a limit to how many modes you can have I don't I have no idea either but yeah I'm not sure about that but I do I would say just take that into account because the other coach that I was talking to she was like oh yeah that sounds like fantastic I'm all about it I'm like uh just do make sure that you like check your settings and your mode because she's very active on social media and I'm as far as like Instagram yeah for business and I'm not like that's not a primary like business uh like back and forth all the time in the DMs for me um so yeah that's all I would say but yeah I'd say I'd say we're both still still fans and whatnot so yes yeah still enthusiasts I I just need to I need to set the schedule so we'll do cool yeah all right um share with us please this news about the the record for the men's one mile run being broken what do we need to know okay so it was a 27 year record 1999 was the last time it was broken um it was 343 14 before yeah which is insanely fast oh my gosh yeah um but this was exciting for a couple reasons so one josh kerr who was going after the world record he announced he was going after it in like march and normally we don't get that much like road runway ahead of a race knowing someone's trying to break a record you look like you have a question i do was this event specifically to break the record it was part of the london diamond league um so it wasn't like the faith breaking four that nike put on that was like specifically for her breaking four minutes or like yeah kipchoge and breaking two it wasn't like that it was a real race he was just like at the london diamond league he's a scott so london is his home diamond league he was like i'm gonna try to break it um as opposed to what well the mile race isn't run that frequently you so it's only specific meets um the 1500 is the more common event that's like the olympic event world championships event all of that stuff um this year there's no olympics there's no world championships so this is what he set his sights on um but he like said it publicly back in march ish and then he was putting out youtube videos of his training leading up to the race okay which is very exciting because normally we don't know until like maybe the week of that someone is going for a record attempt so there's a lot more hype with this okay it's so it's lost on me because i i'm my my thought process is what is your training what how do you train differently if you're not trying to i i i don't know it's like okay my my goal is to break the world record as opposed to what just win the like winning races to win the race yeah because not all races are time trials a lot of them are tactical so like the time doesn't matter that you finish and you're like going off your competitor so if no one takes the lead it's going to be a slower race versus this he was like understood yeah he had two pacers um one that took them through 800 and the other took him through a thousand and then it was just him in the rest of the field yeah okay okay yeah i got it so like yeah you can't leave you can't leave it to chance if you want to break a record in a race i got you okay yeah i got you like going with the intention okay i think especially for this record because it stood for so long and it's so hard yeah that's insane uh-huh yeah and from the videos he's put out he did some very targeted training sessions of like at world record pace faster than world record pace for shorter distances obviously um that i don't know if you would run the like those specific workouts or those times if you weren't aiming for the world record you know like obviously you want to be as fit as you can be yeah that's i think that's kind of where my head was at i was thinking more along those lines i got you yeah i think this was just a little more specific because you know the time you have to be so you know the paces you need to hit and then figuring out like what your pacing strategy would be and then practicing that practicing with your pacers like getting it really dialed yeah um like he had a whole team around him like he had a sports psych which i think helped a ton i assume in these situations um strength training something interesting that came out is he only run only he compared to other pros he runs like 60 to 70 miles a week which is a lot lower you'll usually hear about like 90 to 100 mile weeks for men you know but he lifts twice a week and make sure that he does that um yeah so he had some lifting videos um and then he had like a chef cooking all of his meals so his nutrition was dialed like sleep all of that recovery so it was like he dialed everything he could dial um from what i could tell that's pretty cool uh-huh so it was cool to know in advance so that the fans could get excited and josh kerr has been around for years so it's not like this person coming out of nowhere so he like he was already a well-known person within track and field um and like a very good runner uh like he's won world i think he's won world championships and olympics don't quote me on that but he's a very good runner he's not winning he got silver uh like that kind of thing he's medaled on the highest stages in the 15. um so it was exciting and just seeing how much confidence he had because you really believed he could do it versus like the faith breaking four was obviously that would be like shattering a world record but that was such a stretch it wasn't it was exciting but it wasn't as exciting i don't think because it was like i don't fully believe this is possible at this moment in time you know but going into this race is exciting and then we found out the field i think a week in advance and yard nagus signed up for it and he can also run not as fast as josh but like on par with him so that became exciting because then josh would have competition with him and he would be able to run as fast as josh but like on par with him versus just being on his own at the front of the field um i'm trying to think if i missed anything in the lead up to the race and there's not really too much else going on this year in track and field there's like the diamond league series the u.s championships were this weekend um so the world record attempt was last weekend july 18th or 19th um and yeah the stadium was sold out which is not typical for a track and field race but it was a lot of fun and i think for track not dang not in like an olympics um so i think like all of his hype helped and then he in the race he just looked so relaxed it was insane like it it looked easy for him and then the commentators did a good job of saying comparing like his splits to the last time the world record was broken for like at 800 at 1200 and and josh was a little below at 400 and 800 or i guess 409 and 800 um so that was exciting and then you're like you're seeing him doing it and like such even pacing and they had the pace lights so you also had that frame of reference so the pace lights were set it must have been set like right at world record pace okay so then us says the audience and josh know like you need to be in front of the pace lights or they might have been paced for 340 too i might be wrong there but either way we had a visual representation of like how close he was yeah and then in the final lap he just pulls away from the field which is crazy going that fast and you see him the last 200 in front of the pace lights and he just looks like he's accelerating he's flying yeah floating and he finishes 342 i think 66 so like jeez it was half a second which is insane in the mile and what's even more insane is he said after the fact i thought i could run a few seconds faster than the record it's like which i believe he looked so smooth jeez yeah and it wow it's very i highly recommend anyone watches that race it's only three minutes and 42 seconds it's very exciting you can hear the crowd the way you've described it now the way you've described it now i will watch it yeah if just watch the last lap yeah the cheering is so exciting yeah i want to watch it without any announcers or anything that's got that version is probably out there oh i actually don't know it's i mean it's got to be yeah it's got even if it's like an ai like an ai um edited one where they can edit out the announcers or whatnot yeah um because that's really um they do that in college football like there's a during the college football season like we're alabama fans since my daughter goes to alabama and my parents i mean we've been alabama fans for a while but um they there's a way that you can watch the game and not have any announcers so it you get the sound from the stadium and it's just like a totally different feel so i'd be interested yeah especially knowing like the enormity of the event and how it turned out too yeah that's okay yeah i'm definitely gonna scope that out yeah i feel like it's really rare for someone to say they want to break a world record and then execute yeah and actually do it yeah yeah yeah yeah that's cool yeah it was very exciting any word on if he's going to attempt to break his own record at some point in the future as was that question asked at all i don't think i've seen that but along the way he ran a personal best in the 1500 and okay i would suspect he wants that world record as well because he's like yeah he's a little bit more off of that one i think it's like a second and a half but i feel like a lot of the 1500s like i described before are more tactical like you're trying to win the medal you're not trying to run the fastest time you ever run and risk blowing up and then not meddling you know but crazy well that is yeah that is impressive so props to him yeah bang yeah i think that's yeah that that's ridiculous it is okay um one just one thing to add that i've seen going around social that i think is a good reminder for everyone is i think he's had this in his mind for years like that he's wanted this record um and the only not the only thing but what made it possible for him to get to this place is his consistency over so many years and just like continuing to show up and grind season after season and like last year in i think it was the world championships he strained his calf and that was in like september huh yeah which is crazy um everyone noted how much grit he had at that point because he strained his calf but he continued and finished the race i think he had like more than a lap to go at that point if not more than a lap to go like more than half a lap dang and he didn't step off he completed the race still um so to come back from that and then do this is also very insane and it shows like wow yeah he's just like learned so much over the years and he's like i don't know i don't know the years and has built such resilience physically and mentally so it's a good reminder to all of us normal people that things take time to achieve well said yeah yeah the inspirational moment of the day yeah for real i know well i'll make my last one a a short short one it's really an observation um with we've got so here locally we've got a couple of gyms that are closing that have been like in our community for quite some time so we've got one that opened back in 98 so that one would be what about 30 years and these are larger like uh both both were family owned i guess is probably the best way to describe them but still like larger facilities so one of them is closing after 30 years and then the other one they opened the original facility back in the 60s here whoa and then they opened a second one later on and that second one is going to stay open but they're closing the first one so just an observation because this is not something that i'm seeing isolated to just like my city or even the midwest or whatnot i'm seeing this just across the board and just with talking with you know i meet just a lot of different people within the fitness industry and some of them are gym owners or um gym managers to like general managers at gyms and personal trainers at gyms and things like that and just i think that there was a there was a misperception by a number by a lot of folks just the general public that when gyms opened back up after covid that if they opened back up after covid then they survived the covid like shutdowns and the lockdowns yeah and that i have not found that to be the case at all um i think that there was initially this like this kind of like okay great we can get back into you know public places and especially like gym goers now there i i did see a shift with people doing their own thing at home and you know even i like the stuff if anybody's watching on video like the stuff behind me like if i could ever find like some of the pictures from back in like 2019 yeah like there was barely anything here yeah it was just like a few things like in the corner so even myself like i stocked up um around that time frame and just periodically added things on but i think there was this assumption that like a lot of people were gonna switch to working out at home but then then you know people wanted community and things like that so they went back in the gym but the the big like commercial gym space um brick and mortar gym wise um i think that there's i i think they're going to see a pretty big uptick over the next couple of years of more and more like larger gyms shutting down who had just they were able to get back opened up but they weren't able to like they they were probably close to profitable before yeah and now like they've just been trying to hold on and hold on and hold on and with the cost of gym equipment having gone up with tariffs yeah um i think also with the rise of more like smaller studios and the rise of things like orange theory f45 um privately owned gyms i i don't know i think brick and mortar um overall is just on the decline right now and i say this as somebody who coaches uh part-time inside of a gym yeah like it i just i would i don't know it's just a trend that i'm seeing and you were saying that you've you've got a new gym opening in your area right yeah it's a crunch though so it's a chain uh okay yeah yeah and even like planet fitness um i've i've seen some planet fitness locations that are opening up but they're not new builds they've bought out other franchises that have like deadlifting platforms um more like freeway barbells yeah i want to say that it was in a specific region or something in texas that i saw they bought like a bought out a chain that was down there and so even the color scheme was different and whatnot so i've seen that i don't know that it's necessarily been like again new builds yeah primarily like buying out um buying out different gyms but the i don't know like brick and mortar i think it's just a really tough business i think it's going to become more and more of a tough business to be in at this point like big time so just uh i don't know if you are somebody who's uh who's a brick and mortar gym goer or whatnot i'd be curious if you're kind of seeing the the same thing um or if you're considering canceling your gym membership like what what would you be doing instead and whatnot i also think that some of the the influencer culture is turning people off from going that's fair i think and i say this is somebody who does film my workouts so yeah uh but even like what i mean i do that in a private generally like a private facility like i'm in a barbell club where it's not yeah you know it's not that big of a thing um and there's barely anybody there when i go because i go so early in the morning that's true but you know i don't know it'll it'll be interesting because there's really only two ways to survive if you've got a larger gym you either need local gym or you either need a larger gym or you either need a larger gym or price and high volume yeah or you need high price and low volume and i don't know like the i wonder how the lifetime fitness is and the equinoxes and you know of the world because those are higher priced you know you're talking a couple 150 to 200 a month yeah we had for those your friend that works at the lifetime the closest one to me uh-huh that one's fairly new yeah yeah so i'm i'm thinking it i'm thinking that that gyms i mean you're you've got a i think the middle of the road that gym that's somewhere in like the well for for my area middle of the road would be something like the 40 to 60 a month yeah range or whatnot because i don't have we don't have gyms here not we don't have commercial gyms that are two hundred dollars a month here like we have a lifetime here we have planet fitness we have crunch we have like you know the ymca we have an anytime fitness but even the anytime fitness here is some people say that that costs too much and it's like 30 something dollars a month i'm like that is okay i don't think that's that much but for what if it's just compared to like the planet fitness crunches of the world yeah maybe so it's just when you if you know when you lower the barrier to entry from a dollar amount standpoint then you are going to get like you usually get longer wait times for equipment and things like that because you get you're going for the volume play yeah so i think when you go for the volume play i think that was another piece too actually was um the gyms that like here's what i basically noticed was especially around covid so say you had a gym membership that was costing you about thirty dollars a month on average somewhere in that range okay you would maybe periodically go but not all that often then during covid like right around 2020 you're all the gyms or most of the gyms were then emailing people to let them know like hey here's what's going on and many of them like froze the memberships voluntarily they're like hey we're going to put a freeze on your membership well for just observationally or anecdotally for a decent amount of people that was the reminder to them that they were even paying for this thing yeah because they they might have even forgotten that they had the gym membership even if it was like the lower price like the 15 a month so really the notification about the freeze was their reminder that they wanted to cancel that thing and so i think i call me crazy but no i'm not i think that's a thing i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i remember i think that's a thing i think that's a thing i remember to call me crazy but no i'm not going to do it but I know I think that's a thing I i mean I used to work at a gym where they had the annual fee so they did the you know the special where you could sign up for no annual fee like you don't get the annual enrollment or you don't get any enrollment fee and you don't get charged the annual maintenance thing that they charge once a year well for the first year sorry for the first year oh so say you sign up yes so say you sign up this year and they have the special where it's like we'll waive the maintenance fee for the first year and they have the special where it's like we'll waive the maintenance fee for the first year well like i just remember that the ownership would get like super tense around the time of the year that the maintenance fee was because it was the same for everybody so it would say it's like april 25th or something yeah everybody gets charged the $59 fee hypothetically yeah then it was always like there was this flood of cancellations that would come through yeah so yeah oh yeah for sure and so i think the the emails about the freeze were similar to like the annual fee like it was that notification of like oh snap i forgot i had this thing so yeah and i also wonder how insurance companies are changing their question yeah so there's so many there's so many things to it so i don't know just a just a lot of little observation that i think um things are going to continue to be that things are pretty tough when it comes to the brick and mortar gyms i think the bigger ones i'd say for your smaller facilities you know you got to play the game you got to play the social media game and yeah all that stuff but i think that i think that that's that's where things are really going to thrive especially because you can create community there but yeah so that's all i wanted to throw out there cool well we will see yeah all right that wraps up today's that wraps up today's episode i don't know anything else yeah um if you want to reach out if there's anything you want us to talk about questions you have send them to us on instagram at lifting running 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