What's up everybody, welcome to IJane Game Scoop, I'm your host, Damien Hatfield, and joining me here in studio, 75% in-person scoop, our Parrish Knighter. Hey! Nick Lemotus here. I'm back, baby. And from his remote bunker in Iowa, Justin Davis is here. Scoop? We got a great show for this week. Oh man, we got so many fun Lister emails to get through, and I have an extra curricular activity recommendation. That first, oh my goodness gracious, something a lot less fun. Yeah, we've been talking about this, we've been talking about it for years, the all digital future. It's finally happened. The countdown has been set, basically 18 months from now, PlayStation goes all digital. Surely you've heard about this, this is just announced today on Wednesday when we're recording this. PlayStation Disk production will end in January, 2028. After that, PlayStation is not printing anymore disc spare. So, I know Justin doesn't allow it, but in case there are any listeners or viewers who are watching this or listening to this, sometimes in the future. Yeah, if you're watching this in like 2028 or something. I don't need to be catching strays right now. So this is, I'm holding up what we call a disk. Tell me about that. Tell me about that. You can hold it in your hands. It's for the PlayStation console, and when you open it inside, you will find this is, it comes with a book. I don't think anybody knows what this book was. That came with it, but it also has a little foam pad. Free foam. Free foam. And then, this is what the disk was, guys, if you remember this. And you would take it out of the box and put it into your PlayStation. And then you install it and never have to use it again, right? That's it. You know, everything that you need is on this disk and this foam pad. What about the day one patches, Pear? There's no such thing. Anyway, this was, this was in my days, when disks replaced cartridges. We had to wait for these games to start up and it was like five minutes sometimes, but you know, like, this is what it used to be. And then, this is the amazing thing, Damon. If you look up a PlayStation right now and you put this game in, it would just work. It will work. I don't believe it. It just works. So, Damon, you can, you can think whatever you want. I think this is bad news. Okay. I'm like what you said before the show. I don't, I don't like it one bit. No, it's terrible. Like, look, it makes me really sad. And I do think, do I think it's going to be walked back? I don't know, maybe, but like now there's rumors that we have a rumor on the site that Xbox is going to do the same thing and Project Helix is going to be, you know, digital only. So let's, let's recount all the ways in which this is bad for consumers. Okay. It means your PlayStation 6 won't be able to have PS5 or PS4, PS3 disks put into it and be playable and, you know, they'll sell them to you as part of a subscription service or, you know, digital download, but the old disks become worthless. It means that you don't own your games anymore. So the audacity of Sony, and again, I say this is a long time PlayStation fan, but the audacity to say we're going to go all digital only, we're less than one week ago. They removed a bunch of movies from people's libraries that you would purchase the movies. And then it turns out now you didn't actually purchase the movies. You purchased a license to watch the movies that are pleasure and as long as we sort of allow you to. So that's, that's what I think some people, maybe that are slightly less informed, don't quite know is that it's not just, oh, we're not offering this movie for sale anymore or we're not offering this game for sale anymore, but they can remove it from your library remotely even after you've purchased it. So this era of like our console is probably going to cost $1,000. You can't sell or trade this game to your friends anymore, you know, and you never own anything anymore. You only rent it from us at our pleasure and our discretion is so blatantly anti-consumer that, you know, the government's going to have to be gotten involved in this is going to have to be made illegal. Yeah, and there was, you know, we got a scare in the entertainment sector when services like ultraviolet that were supposed to handle your, your digital licenses to movies that you bought, right? Like the digital code you could enter with a blu-ray or something, they were supposed to handle that in perpetuity and then some of those programs went down, right? Like platforms like voodoo that would authenticate, we're like sold to Walmart and that went down. It's still around and it's still working, it's just centered around, you know, Apple and surely Apple would never do anything evil to anyone, but yeah, it's getting a little scary when, when you're purchasing something it could go away. I would say like I brought up voodoo, voodoo was a platform that was purchased by Walmart and then the movies, including like adult entertainment that Walmart would not carry, wouldn't carry over under the new ownership and so Walmart refunded everyone. I have no idea how much money they paid out, but like they actually refunded people for the ownership that they lost, whereas Sony obviously didn't for the movies that they removed and, you know, what, what will happen with games? I mean, I was just playing the crew the other day, oh wait, no, I wasn't here. I was like, no, that's a sort of a rare example of where an all, always online game runs into trouble and could go away and they obviously address some of that, but yeah, this could be the future for everyone. I mean, we've seen this on a case-by-case basis with, as you said, games like the crew. But having it happen at this magnitude is I think the thing that's the most shocking for a lot of people when I woke up to that news this morning, I just was genuinely bummed for a bit, kind of sat around and bet I was like, damn, is this, is this how it all starts? Is this how it, it's all unfolding? And, you know, I was thinking being the, the unusual folk that I am, and I'm sure everyone watching this is also probably in a similar vein as me as the other day, I, I got the itch to replay Dracking Guard 3. I have two options. I can buy it digital on the PlayStation 3 storefront by connecting my PS3 downloading it that way, or using a disc copy, granted, I know we have a digital, or a disc version here in the IGN library, borrowed that bad boy, but looking forward 20 years from now, and this is kind of a repeat of next-gen console watch. We go in, all in on the next-gen console watch talk about it, so check that out very soon. But apart from that, like, looking forward 20 years from now, that option is not even going to exist, because the second hand market for something like Dracking Guard 3 is crazy. Yeah. Trying to get a physical version of that game is nuts. It's $80 minimum for a physical version of that game, as opposed to whatever the digital price is currently. But with the physical version going away very soon in the near future, does that mean that my God of War 2018, when I want to play that on my PlayStation 8, just will no longer exist, and I have no way of doing that outside of Paying Sony, whatever they want to charge me for it? And I think the difference in the entertainment space, because there's so many studios that sold Blu-rays with digital codes and all of that, right? It's sort of, you feel like someone's going to be around. Some service is going to be around Apple, around authentication and other services. The scary thing here is without legislation or without, you know, maybe the ESA, leading the charge and saying the concept of digital ownership has to become real and it has to span all of these platforms. You could be looking at something like, you know, like if Intellivision had sold you digital codes for games, there was no guarantee that that system would be around in the future, and that might happen again, right? Yeah. Things do change, you know, companies do it like whoever is on top may not be on top at a decade or two. So if anyone is kind of okay with this, hey, I don't care whatever, I'm happy to pay $70 to get a physical copy, I'm happy to pay $70 to get a digital copy, I just want to buy the game and play it. Like, the reason that, if that's your attitude, the reason that that's a short-sighted attitude is, you know, a decade or now or 20 years from now, you know, when these new games that are digital only are old, they could just be gone. You know, Xbox or PlayStation, you never could say, we don't want to be in the video game business anymore. Our business is shifted. Whereas films, this is the only time maybe ever that like they're more progressive and kind of more advanced and kind of their consumer protections than other mediums or another art form is like a movie like this. It's a wonderful life is 80 years old and is still just as accessible and findable and downloadable. Your own it and you can have it on your shelf, whereas video games go away, right? Like any game that has an online component, the servers can go down and can be offline. And then I guess even if you have a disc copy on your shelf, then that still doesn't protect you from the game. Yeah. Look at the eShop. Nintendo is now selling you a little authentication, classic cartridges that don't have the game on them. And it's like, we think Nintendo is going to be around and so we're like, we're cool with it. But what if they shut down the switch to eShop in, you know, 20 years? And so suddenly, all of those little plastic things can no longer be authenticated and the games can't be downloaded. How many video games are just going to be lost? The lack of artistic preservation in this industry is just absolutely heartbreaking. Well, look at mobile. Well, there is a Frank Sefalley over at the Video Game History Foundation. He put out a big statement on behalf of the Video Game History Foundation. Basically, TLD aren't saying that most games that error of plays Haitian through games weren't even complete on card anyway or complete on disc anyway. But that's besides the point in terms of preservation is where the true loss of this is. And he kind of ends his entire statement by saying, what do you expect museums to do by a copy of Grand Theft Auto 6 and hope it works in 80 years? And I mean, that's a nice little period to put at the end of that sentence. It's a little bit scary. Yeah. And there is, I mean, I mentioned it at the very top of the call, but at the show, but there is an element of, you know, a physical game being a fungible asset that like if you spend $500 on games, you can turn it into $300 in cash by selling them on eBay or whatever you want to do, right? Whereas like, if they're digital copies, it just, you literally have
fewer rights, you know, or I have a video game collection that I can pass on to my kids. And technically, like my scene collection and my digital game library cannot be passed on to my kids. So, you know, this kind of rental, you know, you'll never own anything again, sort of model of capitalism is, you know, it's really been bumming me out today in particular. I foresee, you know, everyone always likes to joke that there is an Nintendo tax for first party Nintendo titles. But I think in the near future, it's just going to be the first party tax for whatever console manufacturer is going to be buying because PlayStation and Xbox, Microsoft and Sony will be charging you the full price of whatever their marquee AAA title is for the foreseeable future. I hope that's not the case. But with the digital only future, who's going to stop them? Well, no discounts. But speaking of Nintendo, they're just, they're turning into the place if you want physical games, Nintendo's the platform to go on because they still got cartridges. Yeah, but there's nothing on them anymore. Well, sometimes. Yeah, there's still some, but the games are now, it's expensive to make the bigger the game size, the more expensive the cartridge would be. And so they've been slowly, like most games don't actually fit on the cart. And so they still require the connection to a eShop server and download all that stuff. And to pairs prior point to, like what happens when the eShop goes away and you can no longer download that game anymore with your game key card. And by the way, I'm a, I'm a, I love, I have an old game collection. I've got lots of carts and discs and all of that, but I buy a lot of games digitally because of the convenience. Right. You don't think about it. I don't want to go out to the store and get it. And you sort of hope that ownership is going to be okay. It's going to be transfer over. Like, on Nintendo platform, it didn't famously transfer over. Remember, right? It's a virtual console used to pay for individual classic games. And then they're all locked to the old platform. And now you subscribe to Nintendo Switch online to basically rent them, right? And so, yeah, you can never, you can never rely on that being true in the future. Now in the real world, if you own property in the own a house, you know, in the olden days you had a piece of paper that said you owned it, but we've adjusted to that. And now that there's, you know, record keeping, and if you lost that piece of paper, you can obviously reclaim your property and say, I own this and the government has a record of it. And like, I wonder if this is where we need to head with legislation that there is a concept of ownership without the piece of paper or the disc. Do you guys know movies anywhere? Yes. Yeah. No, that's it. That's the replacement for ultraviolet and that system. Yeah. No. Movies anywhere is amazing. If anyone doesn't know, it sounds like something that's fake in a scam, but it's real. There is if you buy a digital movie from the Microsoft store or the Apple store or, you know, any number of online storefronts, connect it to movies anywhere account and then you can download and watch that movie in any other streaming service. The, you know, the associations have an agreement with each other regardless of where you bought it. You now own a license to watch that thing anywhere. Like, video games need, there's kind of a multifaceted solution here. There's the, there's the, you know, stop killing games initiative that has, you know, momentum in the UK. And I think in California of like, if you have an online enabled game, if you're going to take your server's offline or that piece of art is going to be inaccessible forever, they have to patch in a version to like play and download the game offline, right? So there's the, there's a preservation of art aspect and then there's the digital ownership aspect that both are going to need, you know, they're going to need the voices of like, no gamers and other people to kind of like rally behind and say, Hey, this is why this is important to us and make it a priority. Yeah. And maybe if a provider can no longer offer the asset for downloading install, then it goes into the public domain. Correct. Yeah. Or some, some of the, like the real, like the real pipe dream version of this would be like, buy a game on one platform and then you can download and play it on another platform. You know, like I, I don't know how realistic that is, but like, you know, if you buy a game on Steam and that game is also on your PlayStation 7, and why shouldn't you be able to download and play it on that too? That's how movies anywhere works before it sounds crazy. Like, I'd love to hear what third party publishers think. Like are they cool with this? Like, the way I understand it is that PlayStation or Sony manufactures all the discs for PS5. So that's why they can be like, nope, we're not manufacturing anymore. But like consider a capcom. What maybe they would like there to be a physical addition of resident, resident evil tend, or whatever. It is. Well, and I probably kneecaps. I mean, for some time, collectors editions have not actually had the disc in them. They've been kind of like fake, but like it'll make even collectors editions that much less appealing, right? Of like, now it's not a collector's edition of a game at all. It's just a weird statue and, and you know, cloth band and whatever. So the, the company, you know, Capcom has to pay for the box, the disc, the shipping to the stores, you know, the distribution, all of that. And then the stores take a cut, whereas if they just send a digital asset, a digital code to Sony, there's very little cost, right? And like, famously during the Nintendo 64 age, I mean, square switched from Nintendo 64 because of that problem. And some publishers went out of business because of the cost of physical product that sat on store shelves and was never liquidated and turned into money to actually pay for the manufacturer, right? And so, I mean, I remember the days where companies making N64 games, they had to guess, they had to say, we think 100,000 people in the US will buy it. And so we will pay Nintendo a lot of money to manufacture 100,000 cartridges. If they sold out and they didn't have enough, they were screwed because it took months to restocked by then the momentum was gone. This happened multiple times. And so they lost some money on that or they didn't sell out and they had all this, you know, basically some cash, right? I think, you know, if it's not clear, I'm angry about this, like, you're kind of touching on this a little bit, but it's probably worth, like, why is this happening? Like, it's happening because the $70 or $80 video game on store shelves cost way more than the $70 or $80 to download digitally, right? Like, it just does. So it's margin, you know, it's eating into their profits. Like, it's expensive for them to do. So it's like, I understand why, but that doesn't mean that I don't think it's a mistake in a bad idea. I even think that's only one part of it, Justin, like another, another thing is that after you buy a physical disc, there could be any number of transactions that happened down the line that PlayStation doesn't get to participate in it. Sure. Like that. There was a, when I lived in Japan, there was a big initiative to stop resale of games and it was everywhere. It was advertisements in public. It was on the discs on the back, no resale and stuff like that. And then obviously everybody still sold their games. Like, it wasn't enforceable, right, like in Akihabata, they're like, all these stores where it showed the price of a resale of a game in the window for you to resale. And that's how I kept playing Super Famicom games when I left, I lived there because I wouldn't have been able to afford to just buy and keep. Obviously, that is, that is gone with the, with the system. One thing that I thought was interesting is like Nintendo introduced this pricing model of saying digital is cheaper. Yeah. Now, that's not right. Physical is more expensive, because they didn't actually drop the price of the game, right? They did increase prices overall. This was talked about many, many years ago, but publishers could not, and the platformholders did not go for a digital versus physical price difference because the lobby of the retailers was too strong. There was, I remember all the conversations back then, they were, they, the retailers had so much power that they just would not put out end caps so they wouldn't promote a game and put it visibly on store shelves if they, if the publisher was trying to underpriced them with, with digital. And so that's obviously gone now. Yeah. The retailers have lost that power. And so this is, this is the, the world we live in now. I do wonder like, you know, being sensitive to video game consoles and just the video game industry in general, being under so much stress, economic stress, right? So expensive. That's why they're doing this is to save money that like, you know, what if, and I wouldn't be surprised if this happened is, you know, because of the negative outcry today that like, they walk it, and like, just charge the premium that they need to charge, right? Like, look, the disk based version of the console is going to be $250 more and the games are going to be $15 or $20 more. And, you know, now you have the option, right? Like, pay it if you want to pay it or, or don't if you don't want to. But at least, at least it gives consumers the choice. And I have to admit, like, I'm a little bit hypocritical because I actually mostly buy digitally. Me too. Well, you have that option. But it's the option. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You can make more garbage if you want to. We look, there are all sorts of considerations and the concept of content being really readily, readily accessible and downloadable and preload is freaking awesome, right? Yeah. Like, start playing the moment the game comes out. All of that is positive. The step that is missed is the user, the consumer facing one that is a guarantee that the thing you bought will be around in some fashion. And like, no company can say we will forever be able to offer this product. Yeah. It's not possible. But then there needs to be either a legal right to that content in a public domain form or something. Like, honestly, I mean, there needs to be, there needs to be consumer facing legislation around this. I bet your Europe is going to do it. I think Europe might already be doing it. That's why you have a USB-C charger in your iPhone now, right? Like, somebody in Europe said, hey, what is this like, make thing? What does it mean? So it's like, okay, let's, let's, you know, PS6 digital only. They're going to stop making, you know, places.
it's like what about the PS7 right like what's the difference between a PS7 game and a PS6 game then right like okay So it's more powerful hardware, but it's not a different You know it just it just like surely this is just gonna push everyone to PC because steam just does it better than all these console Manufacturers anyway, right like and it gives you at least you so have some control Over the spec of what you want and and some sense of being able to like you know preserve you know play these games offline and so on and so forth Yeah, and then maybe PlayStation will walk back its first party titles on steam stance I do think that like to Justin's point I was thinking it is evoking the Xbox one and Don matric all over again in terms of just How they are saying this is how it's going to be and having the public outlash be so great that maybe they do walk this back I just I don't know. There's something about it that I'm not getting that vibe this time around But then again, it was just announced today. Yeah, I mean there's a concept of DRM free games, right where you can install something and it can sit on a disc and you can transfer it to Other storage media and keep it in perpetuity and even if the store is gone as long as there's no DRM or other online Authentication or or networking like that. Oh my god good games. Yeah, it can exist in perpetuity It's a little a little more difficult with a PlayStation where you know after downloading four games that thing is full And it becomes very very costly to store that storage is now eight times the price that it used to be Yep, there's that so we have no solution statement Do you know we we're all complaining there with you? Yeah, yeah, we didn't we didn't form this council to come with a solution We're just we're just lamenting. Yes, we're lamenting [Music] Well, let me let me lighten the mood by saying two words Metroid ravenous. Yeah, let's go baby. What a title what a title Metroid ravenous Well, that's because the boss in the last one was Ravenbeak. Ravenbeak, right? So it's ravenous That's a leak. This is a leak from the Brazilian ratings board. Yeah, yep Which I yeah, so well then again dread was a leak for a decade plus Yeah, well, maybe we'll see this in 2030. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the dread is not the same project right? No, I think the game because they originally teased a dread game correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean is this a duty Metroid? They want you want a Metroid dread two basically. Yeah, this is dread two She's a big green lobster spoilers and yeah, she's a Metroid. She's more Metroid than than human And then she gets new suits like red lobs. Yeah, spoilers. We just just to say out loud because I don't know the way I like the Brazilian ratings board That's a rumor that they've leaked the name of you know the so it's in Portuguese. Obviously like that the next Metroid game is Metroid ravenous Unconfirmed rumors only but seems very plausible and also seems hype as hell. So yeah, it's like a super happy to Super happy to just sort of open a prayer that it's the real thing. Metroid dread was so good Dread is great and I still I really enjoyed Prime 4 despite all its Worts as well and I'm so sad when you like sign into the e-shop and you see the games that are trending what's actually selling and like Prime 4 just is never in like the top 25 or something. That's why I was gonna say I'd be a little bit surprised that they're going back to the Metroid Well again Considering Prime 4 didn't there's like you know Hentai Farmers Club is like in the top 30 I'm like, I think I think Metroid Prime 4 is better than that because it's a compelling game player. Yeah Yeah, it's a it's a bummer But you know, this is sort of the story of Metroid over the years. It's not like they sell terrible, right? Like there are you know, there are millions of people who have played Metroid games, but like Pound for Pound it's so strange that they never sell as well. Yeah, despite Sam is being in In Smash Brothers We'll see what happens with Star Fox if Star Fox outsells smash that's that's crazy. I tried to make a great movie though It would be would it? I don't know such as it's supposed to be a solitary like I know they they She there's a lot more people to interact with than Prime 4 than normal, right? I would say that the two the more chatty games are the atmosphere is not as good as in the sort of she crashes and then just finds her way back Predator bad lines, but with Sam is there you go. Yeah, I wrote the movie for you Yeah, I mean alien much of alien was pretty. Yeah, it's very true and not pretty chatty. Yeah But are we expecting a 2D Metroid on this or is this another first person? What's the speculations? I think it's Mercury's teams next to you I think it's Mercury's team as well too basically Yeah, I think that's probably why it's been green that like I was probably pre-green lit before Prime 4 came out for better This is just my guess and you know relatively inexpensive-ish to make and market so kind of why not. Yep My hope is that, you know, this is just pure gameplay speculation on my part But one thing that's always stood out to me since Metroid fusion and moving forward is that Samus has frequently been on the run From some sort of entity that is unstoppable So the fact that it's called ravenous makes me think maybe she has become the entity to some extent And there are about to the gameplay where she just becomes a terminator and is just Mowing things down in her way and she can't really control it. Yeah, maybe she can Happened in Metroid before consumed the energy of the enemies she slays right like in And maybe upgrade her suit that way or become more powerful that way very very exciting especially since we've seen what metro Mercury's team can do with boss encounters. I thought the boss stuff in Metroid Dread was just incredible Including one of the most satisfying final bosses into transitioned into a final cinematic sequence that you get to quote unquote control. That stuff is just Yeah, it's so tasty these old hands had some problems beating that that boss and so it was frustrating until You just sort of like it's that moment in the matrix where neo can just see all the green stuff falling You're just hitting it one hand once I beat the boss. I could just do it again. Yeah, right and it's what what fantastic game design I love that game. Yeah, yeah, hopefully Metroid ravenous is a very non-intendot title, and I love it. It's good very cool Okay, parent Justin last week Nick and I did a game of the year watch episode without you I picked was Resident Evil Requiem. It's my game of the year so far and Nick picked marathon actually, so I wanted to get Your take on what pair what do you think is the game of the year so far? We're voting today my game of the year hasn't come out yet Which you don't know you don't know we're voting today. Uh, so I really I don't know if you've heard of this It's a indie series called Grand Theft Auto Really really liked the last one really enjoyed it. Um no like so far the year I like Requiem. I think it's a good game, but it's not my kind of game I've told you that before I'm too old to keep running away from stuff I like I like stealing cars and and exploring worlds and and being in control driving cars like in Forza Horizon 6 Forza Horizon 6. Uh, I'm still playing it. I'm a big Forza guy and and uh, five was my my game of the year. I voted for that six. I it's just not as fresh And it's not this is what we've been saying. It does not feel as Japan as I want to do this is exactly what we've been saying I think it's really good and it's like it's really hard to compare that racing game to other racing games because it has so much cool stuff in it But for me, it's like stuff I've already done before and so it's just a different flavor of that Um, no, I've look I've high hopes for Black Flag. I really like Assassin's Creed the the original Black Flag So uh, replaying that one. I really enjoyed Star Fox the remake. I thought that was a strong game But not game of the year material and same with with Resident Evil Requiem. So I don't have one double seven you jump in and I really like double or seven could could become one of my Game of the years. Yes. No meaner the hollower. I like meaner the hollower. Not my game of the year. Okay. Oh I'm I'm just picky. It's too early. Okay, you you mentioned a couple that that I would That could become them, but then I'd be really disappointed if it were any of them Yeah, I understand you know like my games of the year are are like a tears of the kingdom a grand theft auto a Big ambitious. Yeah All other games we mentioned were great games I would say, but they're not I mean look at this Yeah, well, this is a cinematic. I'm okay, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say it's definitely gonna be grand theft auto I like I don't know. Maybe maybe it's not gonna be as great as I hope it will be I feel like there's not gonna stand out for parry yet. That's what he said. No, that's nothing double seven was good though Uh, Justin, how about you? Yeah, so you're you're gonna patch this into last week's show then yeah, we'll go back and We'll re upload. Yeah, got it. Cool. Oh, we'll do a re upload. Um my game of the year so far I have to search my feelings for this, but I think it's Pocopia. Oh A little bit. Yeah, yeah, I mean like I really like I'd like you know sort of grindy crafty style of games But where they lose me sometimes is um they get a little bit they get a little bit aimed
They get a little bit make your own fun and make your own challenge, which like look, that's amazing That's great that it's a sandbox go forth and make it your own And so Pocopia completely solved that of like it is this hundreds of hours of grind and you know Collect the materials and do this and do that But it's not aimless and it's not pointless and it's sort of directed of you know You're trying to recruit all these Pokemon and you're trying to make habitats for all 150 of them And so like it gives you kind of a purpose behind the grind that like really suck its teeth into me and I took I had spring break week off and this was like this was like all I did that entire week was just kind of no life Pocopia and like it was fantastic like I you know beat it and I didn't I It is a little bit of a badger shame for me because I did not end up completing the pokedex and getting all 150 but I came pretty darn close. I put dozens of hours after the end game into Don't want to spoil it if anybody hasn't played it yet But it is a really fun and really satisfying well done kind of post credits end game that is super compelling Yeah, loved it. I and not a not a not a minecraft like it is a drag and quest build is like as we've talked about on the show Which is incredible not enough of them you've kids make them catch them all That's what we have kids for right but like see they were a little bit bored by Pocopia see what what were your game? Other year picks Resident Evil and marathon marathon. That's right marathon. Yeah, like all of these games are good But it's like usually half way through the year I'm like, oh, yeah, this is my game of the year. There's nothing coming out that's gonna be the we've got a Ocarina of time remake and a grand theft auto coming and then other stuff. That's not There's definitely more stuff and I'm like there's no way my game of the year has come out. I know That's not how it's just because he told me to this game. He made me choose alright. He made me choose. I can't make pair of shoes He's too powerful. No, I like double seven would be my top pick so far. Double seven is great. Yeah, you heard it your first is game of the years Double seven. It's not gonna be my game Okay, last year or I'm sorry last episode we heard from Joel and San Diego and Justin said if you could live anywhere in the world He'd big San Diego. It's a good spot. I heard that part. Mm-hmm. That's um, that's weird Justin. Where are we? There's like? What what? Italy exists Spain exists? I don't know if I said anywhere in the world. I may have said anywhere in the country There's nothing that I don't talk about San Diego. Okay, Nick. My let's bring up the tape from us Well, we hear from Joel and San Diego again this week. Okay, who says we celebrate my son Zach's birthday this past weekend and got a wonderful surprise while listening to Game Scoop on our way to his favorite place Legoland not only to Damon choose our game toy story three for 20 questions But you all also gave a shout out to our hometown and the place we were literally pulling into so thank you for making Already special day even more special That's what we do here. That's exciting. And you said your favorite land was legal land, right? You could live in one land We're basically that we're like the make a scoop foundation here. That's sweet Yeah, it's good toy story three. Do you know this game? Oh, yeah, I'm all the way. I need your help three they needed your help last week I you know, I have always wanted to ask more questions. I heard you were being asked some questions to like I heard you were being mean to mark just You're very mean to mark workplace bully. I think somebody said oh All right, this is the comments are very mean. I like mark a lot. I want to say on the show I think mark is great and I enjoy working with him and I enjoy having among games group. Thank you I mean most most people don't know that mark in Justin regularly like don't actually interact in the workspace at all It's probably because of Justin Yeah, this is not true. They're gonna believe you. They're gonna believe it. It's also curious that mark isn't here to hear this Yeah, so yeah, no, this is not true. It's actually people are very nice to each other. Yeah, okay. Now. This is Steve from Maryland Who says long time listener watcher. I'm married and the father to you and kids because time is limited I mostly game on steam deck. I watch game scoop on Fridays on YouTube I'll even watch scoop while wearing a meta quest just so I can blow up the screen and feel like I'm sitting in on the show. Whoa Anyway, it's quick story. I picked up a running with my wife as an activity we could do together Always great until I slipped off a curb and twisted my ankle It took me out for about three weeks just to heal by the third week We went out to see if I could run my wife asked me so how's your ankle and with Nick's voice in my head I look at her and I say I'm back baby Anyways, I'll see you guys on Friday That's nice. That was Steve from Maryland. Come on take a seat right here with your meta quest right here. Oh, yeah Yeah And this is Aidan Sehone SCH Owen not sure I was pronounced hey goose camp my name is Aidan from Austin Minnesota whoa what a twist And I have both a question and a video game 20 questions suggestion I've been listening to games since I was in sixth grade Well, and I just graduated high school. I'll be attending the University of Northern Iowa in the fall Since since I know I will be busy and want some good games to wind down to I was wondering what all of your favorite chill games to relax to are My personal go to his power watch simulator, but that gets a little stale after you play the same levels enough times So chill games to relax to across. I mean for me always like I love Also when I'm on an airplane, and I want to bother putting in you know headphones or anything just pick rust because you don't want to listen to that music to Anyway, yeah, um, there's a hundred different pick rust games It's just relaxing because you can also go like I can do some easy ones or you can go for the hard ones You know the higher levels. Yeah always I feel like Justin is gonna have a good relaxing game Recommendation this is a bunch. There's uh if you like power wash simulator Although I guess he said he gets a little bit boring But it has spawned like an entire genre of sort of like Organize and clean up your space games. There's kites you clean up then house flipper and um, there's a The librarian Yeah, that's when I was gonna shout out. Well, there's a beach cleanup game and then the librarian is the one that's really cool where There's this arcane library. It's like a mage's library and there's just 10,000 books everywhere And then you have to put them back up on the shelf and the right order and The reason it's an arcane library like a mage's library is he get magic spells and whatever to make it a little bit less tedious So just like you know doing a few of them at a time and so um So those are good really relaxing games. I mean what relaxes me is factorial So your mileage may vary on that but like you know conveyor belts laying out the conveyor belts and ordering a little Automation factory is sort of like defragging my brain. So I've been enjoying doing that lately um You know, I think minecraft can be very relaxing. I think pokedopia can be very relaxing animal crossing question Yeah, animal crossing all the cozy game Oh, that I take a little bit of offense like I would say on balance most cozy games are relaxing But it's like you don't they don't have to be like I wouldn't I personally wouldn't describe stardie valley is particularly relaxing Um, I think there's there's some time pressure in that game to sort of get things done in the sort of seasonal deadlines that you have Although I'm aware nothing's technically missable um so you know, but yeah lots and lots of really relaxing chill cozy games about Running a bookshop or running a t-shop or basically whatever you want like I'm so happy that like that style of game Has sort of really found you know just taken off over the last few years as a counterbalance to just Gaves it scream at you all the time although I like both right like both both have a place in the market. Yeah, I agree I J RPGs for me. That's like my I get to dictate the pace at which I enjoy the game. Yeah, I've been replaying final fantasy six the peak pixel remaster I never played the pixel remaster. I've been playing it via the game native app on my ay and Thor So I've been using my steam copy of the game on my handheld and it's just been a delight to watch tv Watch some of the world cup while grinding some final fantasy six Um, yeah, I think that's like just the perfect like pace of the game. I can You know advance a dialogue box or not and just kind of close my device watch some tv and then open it back up. Yeah, it's wonderful My steam deck is a relaxing game machine for me turn based games are relaxing. So yeah, my steam deck. I'm horizontal in bed playing blotro or Blackjacket or Gamba nonza. Actually, I recently restarted disguise five nice again And I've already put like 20 hours and to decide five. That's a very relaxing game for me Turn based strategy where there's you know story missions, but then every item in the game has an entire world in it That you can just go dive in your basic sword as night a 99 dungeon floor 99 and just I can just I can just do it forever. It's great Okay extra curricular activities. I've watched a movie recently. Wow. I was it came out this year, but I wasn't aware of it Uh, and I only knew about it because red letter media gave it a shout out Okay, it's called they will kill you. Okay. Let's do we know this house. Yes. Yes. I've seen the trailer. I watched it on HBO And I almost don't want to show the trailer because I think this is a good type of movie you want to go into Knowing as little as possible, but the premise is that Zazie beats the woman who takes a job at a a members only hotel And she learns quickly that the people who live and work there are Very weird. There's something to foot. Yep. That's all you need to know But I can comment on its style. It's very derivative. I think this director saw kill bill 20 years ago And it's like I want to do that. Oh, but not is it sounds like hot fuzz where it's like there's a layer of a weird sort of weird It's much more like violent. Yeah, okay. All right. It's violent like killbill is and it's a little bit of John
and a little bit of the raid. But it's a totally fun watch, it's good. I recommend it, it's on HBO. - It's a great trailer. I watched the trailer before the movie had come out and it was like, this is a good trailer. - Well, Zazi beats his likable. I liked her in Deadpool 2, she was domino. And then also on HBO, is everybody watching House of the Dragon? - Yes. - I have, yeah. I have been watching it. - Justin, you're with us? - No, also the dragon, never heard of it? - I've heard of it. - Not watching it. - Leach and bounce better this season than it has been. It just, yeah, so we won't get into spoilers. But it just right from the egg out, it's just like, "Okay, this is good game of thrones." - I predicted episode two would be two people in a dark room talking because all the budget was gone. But I mean, the first episode has more action and like great moments. It's like mastering commander and dragon battles, you know? - It was awesome. - Really cool. And then the second episode is really eventful. - Really great. - Really great things happen in the second episode. In fact, I'm a little bit like, I don't really know how much there is left to wrap up here. How can they keep it up? Yeah, my wife read the book and keeps saying like, "Yeah, keep watching." - Yeah, oh, and obviously we're nearing the end, though, 'cause it's what? Confirm for five seasons, I believe? - Wait, this is only season three. - Yeah, I believe it's confirmed for five. - It's going for wrong. - Two more staff days? - Really? - We've run out of books before. - Yes, this is true. But this was already been written back. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay. - I'm shocked to the end. That much more story to tell. - After the last episode was like, "What do they do next?" - Yeah. - This is pretty wrapped up here. - Yep. - Anyway, that's good. (upbeat music) - Okay, and that brings us to video game 20 questions. Aiden, our friend in Minnesota provides-- - Fact of Bax. - Game this week. And with that, let the question begin. - Does this game from the '70s, '80s or '90s? - No. - Modern. - Can you play this game on the switch? - No. - Is this game on a disc? - Yes. - Remember those? - Is this game from PlayStation? - Nope. - I just thought you were going to go with theming there. Is this from a Japanese developer? - No. - See, if it's not PlayStation, then it's got to be-- - That's five. - It's got to be, it's going to be, what do we have left? - I mean, I guess there's a game. - Xbox. - It's Xbox. - But a GameCube had a GameCube. - And the Wii. - And Wii U. - Oh, yeah, forgot about that age. Nobody remembers any Wii U games, though. - But it was not made in Japan, so it's not, I mean, I guess, except unless it's Metroid Prime 3. - It's Devil's third for the Wii U. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Okay, was this game exclusive to a platform when it came out? - Yes. - Come on, this is gotta be Microsoft Xbox, right? - Yeah, I think so. - It's, I don't know, I don't agree with that at all. Why are you saying that? - It could be a Wii game. - He detects the vibe. - But he detects the vibe. - It could be a Dreamcast game. - Fair, but all the good Wii games are from Japan. - It could be a UMD game. - Vita. - Was this game on a Microsoft console at launch? - Yes. - There you go. - In your face, Justin Davis. (laughing) - Don't be mean. (laughing) - It's not you, a cool appearance. - It was really mean to Justin. - This is how we always thought it. - Justin and I, that's right. - Okay, you wanna, guys wanna get a genre, then? - Maybe console and then genre? - Yeah. - Like witch Xbox. - Yes, okay. - Yes. - Was it exclusive to the Xbox Series consoles? - No. - Well, Justin, that would require them to have exclusives. - Woo-hoo! (laughing) - Is this Xbox 360 era? - Yes. - Great. - Okay. - So 2006 to like 2312 ish. - Okay. - So late ish 360. Actually, pretty late 360 game. - But why is it late 360? - I don't know, it's 2010 or newer. - Oh, okay, I missed that one. - Do we know that? Did I dream that? - Did you dream that? - I think you dreamt that, 'cause I was, I'm not paying attention. - Yeah. - 70s, 70s, 80s or 90s. - Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. - Nice. - Okay, is this game a first person or third person shooter or action game? - No. - Okay. - That's 10. - Is this game a vehicle based game? - Yes. - Okay. - So we're talking about racing more flights. - Or about? - Maybe the Rare Boat game. There's a Rare Boat game. - I don't know. - I don't know. - Is it cool? - Well, we know it's on a disc though. - Yes. - So it's not an Xbox arcade game. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Is this a car game? - Yes. - Car game. - It's project. - It's project. - Project Gotham Racing is a show. - Project Gotham Racing 3. - Well, we have Forza Motors 4. - We have Forza, we have Project Gotham, we have Needful Speed, but that was on PlayStation. - There was a 360 launch game where the cars had machine guns on them and it was like reckless, no. - No, no, not reckless. - Well, reckless was later, right? - Yes, it was, but what was the name of that game? Did you shoot guns well? - Wait, hold on, I don't want to ask that question. - This is such a niche thing. - Yeah, 'cause that's like one game. - Is this a game in the Forza series? - Yes. - Wow. - Okay. - Which one? I don't know which one's around the 360. - Is this? - Is this the original Motorsport? Is this the original Motorsport at 360? - Yeah, 'cause Project Gotham Racing was Xbox only. - So, Forza Motorsport or two? - Is this the first of its name? - Yes. - So it's either? - Hold on, hold on, hold on. - Yeah, is it, there was the first horizon on the 360 or did that not start till this generation? - That, I don't remember. - I know it was our, Forza Horizon was our first IG and first Justin, when did that series kick off? - Nobody knows. - 20 clicks. - It's impossible to tell. - Did, okay, is this an open world racing game? - Yes, that's 15. - Wait, okay, that's good. - Yeah, it's got the first of its name. - It's horizon, I don't know, I mean, I don't know if horizon two was also on the 360. - No, but we know it's the first of its name. So it has to be the first of Forza Horizon. - Yes. - Yay! - Forza Horizon. - You're a little megal. - I don't even remember what this game looks like. - I guess it was in England, right? - Let's see it, yes, it's England. - Wasn't Forza Horizon four also in England? - No, I don't think so. - I don't think so. - Forza was Australian or was for Mexico? - Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. - Five was Mexico. - So this is 2012. - Five. - Yeah. - Was Mexico. - Four was Australia. - Whoa, it was Australia. - It kinda looks the same. - No, one wasn't England, one was Colorado, wasn't it? And then two was England? - Well, if this is one, that is definitely not England. - Yeah, it looks like Colorado. - Yeah, that's the one was Colorado, maybe two was England and then I can't remember. - That's right, it's Drung Down. - Look, they're showing a dodge. You can't get a dodge over the ocean. - To heavy. - Yeah, I never play these early Forza games. What's interesting is this looks, from what you're doing a moment to moment, it looks exactly like Forza five and six. - But look how great that looks. - I mean, if you're up for 2012, this looks really good. - It looks fantastic. I played all of them in every game. Hundreds of hours and I'm embarrassed that I don't remember the countries immediately. - I mean, honestly, it's so long. - If you threw Tokyo Tower in the back, I'll be like, yeah, that's Forza. - That's what I'm saying, that's really good. 14 years old, man. - But it didn't have all this sort of crazy minigames and online stuff that crept in later with some. - There was no drive-atars yet. - No drive-atars. - This one, I'm just as positive, relentlessly positive. - Yes. - No. - No. - I can imagine. - You mean like Justinates vibe? - Yeah. - Like the frictionless experience for the player. - Yeah. - No, it's not. That didn't come in until later. - Okay. - No. - I'm blanking on one of them though, 'cause there was Colorado, England, Australia, Mexico, Japan, and there's one Forza. I played them all too, but there's one that's just completely leaked out of my brain. - We never got a dream. - We never got a dream anymore. - Yeah, we never got a dream anymore. - Well, that's seven. - Yeah, seven's got to be Autobahn, right? - That'll be a game's common announcement at some point in the future. - Yeah. - I mean, Japan is a little bit like the Assassin's Creed ancient Japan, like this is the Japan is what people have been asking for for Forza for like a decade and how they did it. So I don't know what's next. - Here's what they should do. - Ancient Japan. - Forza. - Forza. - Yeah. - That'd be cool. - Forza sports cars in it for no reason. - Yeah. - Yeah, like exactly, like based on Mark Twain. - Yeah. (laughing) - You travel back in time. - That was your technology. - Beat Zaki Malik. - Yeah. - All right. - And they have these rivals. - Yeah, man. - There's a barn finds. - Look. - It's all still here. - Yeah. - All right. - Yeah, this definitely doesn't look like Forza six now, but that looks nice. - Still pretty good. - Yeah, it still looks very good. - For that. Reflections in there. - They did a nice job. Sorry, we're just watching and - Oh no, we're commenting over the game here. - Okay, well, nicely job. Forza Horizon. - Thank you for the suggestion, Aiden and Minnesota. Viewers, listeners, if you have your own suggestions for video game 20 questions, email them to me at the email address,
[email protected]. And that's all the scoops that we have for this week. Thank you, Pierre and Nick for joining me here in studio. - And the time. - Justin, we missed out, wish you were here. But thank you for joining us remotely.
He's like I'm glad he's not there. I didn't want to step on you ending the show right now. Here we are. You take the time to think about what you said. Be nice to mark. It's a long holiday weekend for us here in the US. So that includes you. I hope you play some games. And if you're not here in the US, I hope you play some fun games this weekend as well. So great. My name is Damon. This is hygiene game soup and we're out. Bye. (upbeat music)
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