Game 7 Fever in OKC, NBA Lottery Reform, and a Mega-Mailbag With Rob Mahoney, David Jacoby, and Joe House

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Download the Fandall sportsbook app right now and play your game. Twenty-one plus select states are 18 plus DC, Kentucky, or Wyoming. Game problem called 1-800-Gamber, call 888-787-77 or visit ccpg.org/chat, Connecticut. [Music] It is Bill Simmons podcast. We are live on Netflix, Rob Bihoney is here. We're coming right after a game that I'm frankly shocked by the result. I'm not shocked saying in Tonya 1, Rob. I'm shocked that it was a blowout, especially at halftime. It felt like they hung around, hung around, hung around, hung around. And we were going to have this awesome second half. But my first question to you, so game one of this series, game one of Nick's Cavs, which was that awesome Brunson game that come back. And it was just basketball bliss for 24 straight hours. We even had a good basketball game sense. Cousin Salas, that nine and a half point thing that he does where it's nine and a half point favorites. That's seven straight, nine and a half point favorites cover, and we just had bad basketball. So what happened? We paid all the taxes for those two games and that's it. I think some of the games in this series have been better than the final score. We're at least getting like three really high, like well played quarters often from these teams. They're just one critical stretch in which one of the other pulls away. But yeah, it does feel like we sold our souls or something like we paid a heavy cost. We got the great weekend of historic basketball. And now we just all have to deal with the consequences. I thought today would be the makeup for all the crappy games we've been watching, but you're right. This is like good bad basketball because there's so much chess going on. So watch the Antonio do this twice to OKC in three games basically. I thought I thought OKC was going to win tonight, but I thought it was more because of the castle Fox thing, which I just couldn't, I couldn't get that out of my head how I didn't think Fox looked right the last couple of games has not any look bad tonight. And I didn't, I didn't think Harper looked good either. And then Harper was awesome today. And you think like when we had that just lights out classic one beat first half, but Harper was the other piece of it. And they were still up seven. And if you had told me they're going to get these two first halves from these two guys, I would have thought they're up 20. Didn't matter. They ended up blowing them out in the second half. So what happened? What did you think the number one thing was? Yeah, that's the thing. I think based on the first half, it felt like the spurs were winning, like technically winning, but the thunder were hanging around as you mentioned. And they were just like gutting out enough possessions to make you think. Yeah. There's any turn in this game. If there's any change in the momentum, if OKC comes out in the second half and their offense looks any cleaner, then this thing could really break their way. It turned out the opposite was the case, which is the spurs completely tightened the screws and just suffocated all life out of the thunder offense. And it's been one of these things that's been flying a little under the radar in these playoffs that the spurs have just been the single most dominant third quarter team in the entire postseason. And it's a weird thing to think about a young group. They're used to thinking about the juggernaut warriors and that capacity, maybe, but I think it's an incredible credit to Mitch Johnson. Like the spurs are so young and a bunch of 20 year olds in like a tough stretch are not going to be able to figure out the tactical adjustments of like exactly how they need to pivot strategically, but you take a break, you let them reset, you give them like a couple of talking points and a little bit of film. And they come out and they just roll like an absolute haymaker against the defending champions. It was amazing to watch in the third. And you know, the other thing, what you just said about San Antonio was true for OK, see at the end of these halves. And you could feel coming in the end of the second quarter, they're just like closers in the last three, four minutes of the second. And it's like, oh, they're up for now. They're up 18. What just happened? Or they're down 12. Now they're down to what just happened. And San Antonio kind of rode that off too. I think OK, see got it to within maybe three, but then it ended seven and a half time, which I thought was big. So in the third quarter, 20 to nothing San Antonio run, OK, see at a seven minute drought. Yeah. Where they went over 14 at one point, there was one point where they were six for 26 from three. I mean, one thing we learned from them last year, if they're not making threes at all, no, anyone can beat them, especially if, if you're home, but this seesaw has been crazy over the last four games, 45%, 18%, 44%, 24%, like that is a wild level of like erratic offense when Shay has also just been like really inefficient from the field. And like they are reliant on at least one of those things breaking for them to win. So if I'm, if I'm a fan base here in this game, there's two choices. What am I most nervous about? On each side, heading into game seven after watching these first six, because for me, it would be for OK, see, I didn't jade up didn't exactly instill a ton of confidence in their AJ Mitchell is just gone. I don't, I don't think we're seeing him again. And that second creator thing, which didn't bother them in game five, but did bother them in this game. But the three point shooting would be the thing that made me nervous for San Antonio, if I'm a fan of them, it's Fox. And then it's just like, which Wembee am I getting? Because Wembee was the big winner tonight. He had the makeup for the game five, which I still don't know what he was doing in game five. He did the, the, the Van Dam hard hard, hard foul demand at the end of game five, put out the hit, turned into Martin cove and karate kid. And then didn't talk to the media, got forbidden to do that. We need your boring quotes. But basically was awesome in this game. The spurs are three, you know, when he's awesome in this series, is it just that simple for the spurs? Is that what I would not be nervous about him on the spurs fan? This guy is showing up for game seven. He's the next one. I think what you would be nervous about is he was awesome in this game, but Oklahoma City took away the vast majority of anything going to the basket. They blew up a lot of the lobs going to Wembee, any like straight line hits and transition. They were able to take away. He put up a ton of points because he made a ton of jumpers and granted, I would never want to be on the other side of that bet. Like are you willing to bet your season and your title defense on the idea that he won't do that again, wouldn't be me. But if you're going to play like a gamble here of something, you have to give up something to Victor Webanyama and late in a series, if you're the spurs, you just have to get a little use to settling for whatever is left, right? The other team is skimmed away the three best things you have going on every possession. If what's left is Victor Webanyama shooting over the top of literally anyone in front of him, both from three, and then we saw him in this game, kind of get to some of those like mid range into the elbow until like little turnarounds in the paint. If that stuff is going to be available to him, I think you're fine with it, but it's not the same as the 97% accuracy of a Victor Webanyama dunk. Right. They were doing one thing I noticed, they were trying to set these little sneaky picks for him. That would then send him flying down, not for a lob, but just to get near the foul line. So I don't know. That was the one experimentation thing that seemed like it worked a few times. But I just thought it was such a weird, okay, seat performance. She didn't get involved at all in the first quarter. They missed a ton of threes. There were a lot of like Lou Dort threes, I think he took five in the first half and they're playing all those hockey lineups and it felt like he never found a lineup that had the right rhythm. And I don't, what is your okay seat lineup that you like the most? And obviously as Kuroso and SJ out there, do you like when they go two bigs? Like what's your favorite of all the options? I do think it has both bigs and it has Kuroso and Shay. I think at this point, it is Jared McCain. Like I think Jada is so limited, you know, he is trying to get out these like quick bursts of playing time that they're giving him. But when he tried to do something with the ball, it just kind of went nowhere. I don't expect much more than him being a decoy. We've seen like Isaiah Joe get played out of the rotation. Actually, I think Jason Wallace is a decent option if that's this spot too. He had like a really ballsy game during the really difficult parts of it in particular. And when you're thinking about a game seven, that's the criteria, right? It's like, who is up for making the absolutely brutal relentless play that's not not going to look pretty, that's not going to pan out, that's not like the thing you would script up, but ultimately who can come away with those balls? And I'm going to, I'm going to change it and go from McCain to case and Wallace on that reason alone. I think I, I want one more dog in that fight if I'm the thunder. What's the ideal thunder final score of a game seven? Is it in the one 10s? Is it like a 92 to 85? Because if you're going for like your all defense kind of side, then you're going to see more in case and was I thought he was really good tonight. I mean, he had two plays in a row where he just took the ball from the spurs, he had three threes. I would have wanted a little more from him, but I wonder like, do you just do threes rebounds by their wembee and then just hope SGA gets 30 and you can kind of eek out one of those 99 and 92 type games? I think like game sevens almost always turn out that way regardless of what you want, but all three thunder wins have been in the 120s, right? And some of their losses have been among the lowest scoring offensive outbook games of this entire era in terms of what they're scoring. So it really is a feast or famine thing. And I think a lot of that is Shay who, I mean, he looks so uncomfortable in this game. I can't remember the last time we saw him settle for this many shots. And there's just like a layered deep, like a layered defensive impact where the spurs are so good at denying him the ball. And you saw it with castle, but you also see like Devon Fesele doing it, you know, she and Penny doing it. The anyone who's crossmaster switched is taking like shaving time off the clock and taking some life out of the thunder offense right off the bat. Then when she does get the ball, he has a chart where Wembee is at all times. He has to be extra careful. And then he ended up with so many like late clock bombs in his hand that he just had to hoist up. It's, it really isn't uncanny things in guy who's so used to playing in his own pace all the time, playing basically this entire game on somebody else's terms. I have no feel for the series at all. I think I picked five of the six games wrong. And every time I think I have a feel for it, it zags the other way. And at this one is like basically, you just have to guess if Wembee is going to have an awesome game or not. And if he has an awesome game, it just seems like San Antonio is a better team with the okay sea injuries. So he's one winner tonight. Devon Fesele. Just for this whole playoffs, you want to pitch it home as a 3 and D guy, but I must feel like he's a 3 and D plus. Oh, yeah. Like he's, he's a level over a role player, but he's not an all star, but he's in that nice, nice sound. One of the things I love that he should have gotten a tech. It's been a tech all playoffs that didn't call it tonight. But when he blocked chat, he shoved them and then talked shit to him, which has been a technical foul this entire year. It's for 20 years. Literally the first time this year, they didn't call it because I think the reps are after the Tony Brothers massacre that happened in game five, um, which I was being really, I had legs on after game five, I was really careful talking about how I felt about the reps because I just thought it was an apocalypse. Um, but after that, it really felt like the reps were like, Hey, we want to let the players decide this one. We don't, we're not here. Just do your thing. Um, but that was a classic Vicell play where he brings a lot of fuck you to their, uh, to their team. I really trust him. I trust him as a number four guy. I don't know how many like movement shooters you could say that about it, right? These like skinny, like life, like you guys who are running around ball screens catching on curls and shooting. He's like, how many six five shooters legitimately play bigger than, than they do all the time in the way that Vicell does tonight, he guarded chat. And, and that's not the first like fuck you block he's had on chat in this series. He comes up with huge defensive plays. He comes up with big time, like contested defensive rebounds. He's like the antithesis of the archetype that frustrates me the most. Like the empty stats, like I put up 18 on jump shots, but I give you literally nothing else is I'm like, those are among the most frustrating players for me to watch. Devon Vicell will give you maybe not that kind of scoring output every night, but he does so many other little things all the time that feel instrumental to a series like this one. Yeah, I always call it like, yeah, I don't know, 13, 14 and it was a loud 13, right? His points, his performances are loud. And I think castles like that too. Yeah. Castles one of those guys you look as like, does he have like 30 points? And it's like now he is 16, but he's all over the place. He had nine assists. I think today too. Um, I think with Vicell, he's been thrown in these trades for two years, right? It's like, Oh, trade Murphy. Oh, well, if he, if they went after y'all and asked, well, put him in, he's just always the constant because he's making like 25 million a year. He's good, but you can always feel like you do better. I think he's kind of the perfect fourth guy for them. Yeah. I mean, really the issue if you're thinking about upgrades all summer with no matter what happens with them, uh, you know, in game seven and even in the finals, Fox is going to be the big question. If they lose the so qualms series, he's going to be the one everyone points to and how hurt was he, was he healthy? Oh, he's clearly hurt. He's, yeah, he can't really move very well at all. It seems like he has no lift. And the thunder are basically betting like we don't have to take him off the ball very seriously. Like we don't really have to respect him in the corner. We don't have to rotate out to him super hard because we don't think he can beat the closeout. If we just put a little door in front of him will mostly be fine. And they've been pretty much right about that part of things. Yeah. He doesn't have that little drive into the lane, that little spin move backwards through that 13 footer, the little 13 foot turn around just doesn't have the lift anywhere. Another winner for that. Oh, God. I was going to say Harper is a huge part of that too. Like to the extent that deer and fox feels expendable, which is a crazy thing to say about a player is good as deer and fox. I think some of it comes with the fact that Dylan Harper is already so good so quickly. And he's going to have massive expectations on him at all times, I think, because he's one of these guys who you see him just breaking down the best perimeter defenders in the sport one after another. Yeah. If you can do that, there's always going to be that tension of like, why can't you do more, especially coming off of a game like game five or he was invisible? Like you would not recognize his presence in that game. You have to double check the box score to make sure he even played it. And then he comes out in a game like this and he's just in front of everybody turning the corner all the time, looking super aggressive. And I think he can kind of turn that up whenever he wants to. That's the most terrifying thing about him at this stage. And seems healthy, finally. Yep. I don't, I didn't feel like he looked like him in two, three, four and five. He was awesome in game one. He was awesome in this game. Took the spotlight off of Fox who stunk. Um, another winner tonight, garbage time. San Antonio put out the triple towers. Olinic. Bianca Plumley. Yeah, we're the first time we'd seen that. I didn't even know they would they would do that. It was almost like in hockey when it's like a six to play off game. And they put out the fourth line with like all the guys can fight. And they're just kind of skating around in case anything happens for a couple of minutes. That was the vibe I was getting. Nothing happened. It's a different kind of high drama, but we all escaped unscathed somehow. Wait, were you surprised how they used Bianco as like a stretch, stretch seven. I don't even know if he's a stretch five. You know, he's just 25 feet from the basket for no reason. Given that there's no Biancos in the NBA in 2026, nothing else. He surprised me. It's amazing. Um, another big winner, NBC, they get a Saturday night game seven. I actually thought they're crew, which I think has been pretty up and down because the two Reggie's Reggie and Jamal Crawford feeling it out. I thought they did a good job tonight. Jamal Crawford, he had a couple of great points to it. Like when he, like, Jada, I've had a turnover, like where he fumbled the ball to bounce. I have like this one too. Yeah. And Crawford said, yeah, that's what happens when you're rusty. The hardest thing to come back is your ball handling. I'm like, oh, okay, nugget. I'll take it. It's an incredibly astute point. And we should also say exactly the thing that Jamal Crawford, one of the great ball handlers in history would say. It's like, yes, your thing would be the thing to go. But I do think he's right. Like it is where you feel clumsy as coming back or where you see a player like Jada just looking a little out of sorts, a little out of rhythm. Like how can you ask a guy to jump into a series, this competitive and this brutal, like this was an incredibly physical game. Bodies were hitting the floor all over the place, not in the Zapruder level analysis of flopping kind of way. But in the like, people are getting out. This is a rugby game. Absolutely rugby game. A skirmish and a scrum to get every loose ball. And you're just throwing Jada about there and being like, I guess see what you can do. It's, it's a lot to ask of him. That was another reason in the second quarter. Why I thought, okay, see, who's going to come back? Because once the reps were allowing three bodies on the ground for half the place, is that what? Okay, see, once they've dorked and karusso and heart and steam and and J will like that, that sounds great for them. And they have SGA who's good at navigating that stuff. But it turned out to be way better for San Antonio. I think weirdly AJ Mitchell is a winner. But that really missed his ad lib offense, second ball handler, take the pressure off, off shake. Otherwise, you're just looking at Jared McCain, who, you know, who has been, I would say, considering for what they gave up on him, like a revelation in these playoffs. But this is a lot of doing this insane Antonio gets a crazy crowd. They really needed him to be awesome in this game. And you know, it's the second you're got. I really do respect with McCain, though, I mean, he's a crucial ball handler for them right now, as you mentioned. And he will actually go at Wembee in a way that other guys won't. And he'll just see kind of like if I bump him just enough, can I get a layup up, can I get something up on the rim? So, you know, Cheddar Hardstein can clean it up. He's aggressive in ways they need him to be aggressive. He's just not quite up to the level of doing that as a driver right now. He's clearly a flame thrower shooter. And we've seen the like the thunder tap into that when they really needed, but they need the ball handling right now more than they need the shooting. All right. So when we think about game seven, which is two days from now, we've gone every other day. And we both teams are a little banged up. We've seen the Wembee. You kind of know in the first quarter with him if he has it or not, from a I'm all over the place. I have the either tiger or wow, Wembee looks tired. And it's just one of those two worlds. This is a game seven. It's hard to say who has the most at stake in this game because it's a game seven to get to the finals. So technically everybody has something at stake. But when be knocking out OKC, be down three, two, knocking out the back-to-back champs, a team that won, what do they win, like 132 games and two seasons. And him basically, if they're going to win, he's going to be the best part in that game. Yeah. And at age 22, I had the four of the seven best games in this series. And we won four games to three. And now, here we come, New York next. You are now on it. Like, I feel like he has the most at stake, even though if it doesn't happen this year, we'll just spec out it'll be fine. It'll happen for him next year. Who do you think has the most at stake? Yeah. I mean, Wembee is the most to gain probably for that reason most the game, but not a lot to lose because you're right. I think right or wrong, we will expect that he has a lot of time ahead of him to be in series in competitive situations like this one. The most at stake. I mean, the thunder are in such an odd place overall, just in terms of their reputation, like they're placing the basketball consciousness. It's like they're defending champions and they get a lot of respect based on that. But clearly, they're not the most liked team in recent basketball history. And I wonder if they lose a series like this one. And let's say next season is also a challenging one for whatever reason. Like you can see their story taking a really sharp turn. I don't think that's what's going to happen. I kind of do expect that OKC will win game seven. I don't know that we're really in a position to predict anything at this point given the way the series has gone. But within that, the idea of Shay coming out of the series shooting like 37% from the field in a round that even though the thunder are injured, they lose. I could see there being a lot of questions and a lot of interrogation about just like them and the construction of their team and what they should be moving forward. And there's some, do we have the right team to battle Wembee? We just lost to them and that the spurs aren't even really the spurs yet. We'd open a lot of questions. Definitely a lot more like, oh man, we're already searching for answers here. We just won a Kajillion games when the title last year. Now that we have to question ourselves. I think from San Antonio's side, I'm trying to think like ranking dudes who would have to come through because game sevens they're slower, they're uglier, the more on the rock fight side. Yep. What we have seen though in recent years is road teams being able to go on the road and winning game sevens, which in the old days you just won game sevens at home, that's just how it went. And then that started to shift and now every once in a while we seem to have these Philly at Boston, Dallas at Phoenix, we have these ones where they're not even just winning on the road. They're killing teams on the road. They're eradicating them. With that said, I do feel like the home court has mattered unusually in this series because it ramps up the defense on both sides. The three point shooters are going to be a little more comfortable at home. San Antonio for the guys that have to come through. One of the selling champagne. Yes. I need a four or five three game from one of them. I need Harper to play like he did today. Period. I need Fox not to suck like he did. I don't need it to be good, but you can't suck. You can't go like one for 10. And I need Wembee to be closer to where he was in the three wins than the three losses. What else needs to happen for them? I think they probably need another stretch like they had tonight where they look really good in the minutes without Wembee on the floor. Like this was one of the first times where that really broke for them in the series. They looked confident. They were hitting shots. The ballman was really good. The energy felt right. And that's an area where like Keldin Johnson has become a really important player for them in the series from an energy standpoint. And as Fox has kind of faded into the background and when Harper was heard, Keldin was one of the few guys who was consistently driving for them. So I would say he's pretty important for them to and sort of counterbalancing the upswing of OKC's role players at home. Well, we have Thunder by three and a half on Fandall is our game seven line. Yeah, today's game seven line or game six line was spurs by three and a half. And I think the last game was Thunder by three and a half. So it's just basically whoever someone is that must be the established home court advantage from a referee standpoint. So if it's if they're not calling stuff like they did today, usually I would think that helps OKC, but today it really helps San Antonio. Yeah. It feels like the kind of game when there's a million fouls is always better for OKC. We'll see who we will get. Today we had Zack Zaraba. I forget who else, but I'm sure we'll get James Capers is probably the best ref they have, maybe Mark Davis, but hopefully it's not another Tony brother's 80 fouls situation would be my one guess. We simply can't. But Ken Doran Caruso unleashed the, you know, the bruise brothers routine. Are they going to be allowed to do it? Are they going to ramp up their stuff on Fox and Harper? And does when we have it in them, this early? Yeah. I think as if he does, we're going to have four days to talk about a spurs next finals. And it's just going to be a Wembe Fest. You're going to have this new the new generational superstar here. And then you're going to have the most famous team we have other than the Celtics and the Lakers trying to win their first title in 53 years. And it's going to be about as good from from a hype finals as we're going to have. Well, it's already been a Wembe Fest. I mean, have you been listening to this podcast? Have you listened to group chat? Like it's, it's all we can all talk about because we're, I mean, games like this or why, you know, it was a totally different kind of dominance than I think a lot of people are calling for. There was a lot of like, how do you get Wembe closer to the basket? How do you get him attacking more? Turns out he can just beat you this way too on some nights. And if he's going to be hitting step backs against Isaiah Harderstein, that might just be it. Like that just might be your season right there. I really can't wait for this. I do think as far as the OKC, like balance of all that physicality and what the refereeing looks like, even if they're giving a lot of leeway on that stuff, I think Lou Dorges has to play less. Like the self destructive possessions that we've been talking about with this game, there were like maybe five to seven of those in the first half alone between the hijacking possessions from three, like looking off of swing passes that he should have made and taking his own. He like flopped really badly on defense, like trying to sell a moving screen that then led to a wide open three. There were just so many possessions like that where I think in a game seven, you can't leave anything to chance. It needs to be like a Caruso playing 36 minutes and a Lou Dorges playing 10 to 15 minutes. Like even this felt like too much. Two for 11, one from nine for three and 22 minutes. Even if you look at all his games in May, he's only scored 10 points once. Six, three, 10, six, five, eight, zero, two, seven, five. I test wise. Doesn't look like the same guy from last year. He's a little bit older and he's like a running backer at Titan who has a lot of miles on him. And he has a team option on him next year that I'm sure his wing over his head too. Like, you know, he's playing for his next contract and he just has looked at a sort this whole time. I thought I've said this before. I thought he was the reason him and Caruso were the reasons they won that game for an Indiana, which I think if they lose that game, I don't think they win the series. No matter, I don't think we get to again. Seventy, it's however, and I'm just defense too. Like they really didn't need his scoring until this point, right? In the first two rounds, like the Thunder were doing just fine, but like going basket for basket, Shay was scoring at a much higher level. Chet was a more kind of like versatile unlocked offensive weapon, although he's kind of tilted up as the series has gone on. I think with the offensive rebounding in particular, but they're just in these games where everything goes to shit for them. They are so desperate for offense. And Ludoord is he is contributing to the strangulation that's happening there. Yeah, I don't love plus minus, but even in the game the other night, 18 minutes minus four in a game that they won by 13. Yeah. And then what was he in this last one? Yeah, minus 16 in 17 minutes. I'm with you. I wonder like this is one of the thing. I mean, I love so many things about a game seven. You're just making different decisions than you're doing all year. It's like you're not there to, you don't care if feelings are hurt in a game seven. It's like, Hey, Ludoord, you're going to play eight minutes tonight. And that's just how it's going to go. Hey, Crusoe, you may play 32. We'll see what what Wembee can pull out of him from a from a minute standpoint. I don't really understand his how he's tired one day and then not tired the next. But when I saw him dressed, was he dressed like a like a monk today? Yeah. What was that outfit? It was, I think it was throwback toe. Where did he go to talk to the monks to bet? Shout out to the to everyone from Tibet with that outfit. This is really something. All right, so your prediction or you don't want to predict? I think, okay, so you will win. I don't feel great about it. Clearly, the line between these two teams is very thin, but then varies wildly in terms of what the actual margin of victory is. I think for me, the shooting of the role players tilting back okay sees way as it seems like just will when they go back home and every other game. The nerves kind of playing into their favor, having been in games like this before and specifically for Shay, like when it comes down to, who do you feel confident will have the lift and the balance in their game in those moments. I do think you tilt a little toward the experience of someone like the Thunder in this case. And I do think that guys like Chad have made just enough of a change over the course of the series. He's been good defensively pretty much the whole way through, but he's finding enough ways to score where I'm like, I can kind of see the whole picture of a Thunder win coming together, even though based on tonight's game film, you would never expect it. Who do you think the next one to win? I think the next one, the most injured version of the Thunder to win possible. Like a banged up, worn and torn Thunder. Yeah, I don't think even with how they played in the regular season and in the cup with the spurs and all that, both of the teams, the Knicks and the Spurs were in such different places then. The idea of grappling with this version of Wembee is such a unique challenge and such a daunting one that I don't think anyone necessarily wants that versus the Thunder or a great team. Incredibly formidable defense even still, but you see the state that Jaydub is in. You see that AJ Mitchell isn't on the floor and you see kind of like what that does to their offense to lack any kind of supplementary options whatsoever. I think the Knicks would prefer that sort of matchup than trying to figure out the spurs. I'm leaning okay see as well. It would be unusual for a team this young to come back from three-tune when a game seven against on the road against the defending champs. But you just made the point. These aren't really the defending champs of Jaydub is just going to basically not be playing. At this point, whatever he was doing tonight, I'd rather just not play him and ride with the guys I have. I wouldn't be surprised if game seven. He plays that first three-minute blip and then you never see him again. They try it for a second just to see if there's any more traction there. But if it looks like this, I don't think he can play much in that game. Unbelievable stuff. Zach Lowe and I are going to be going live on Netflix after game seven. So my Sunday night pod this weekend is going to be a Saturday night pod. We're just going to just going to go for it. We'll see how it goes. Before you and I go, Rob Mahoney, the lottery reform thing. House and Jacobi and I are about to talk about that after the break. And I'm going to give my thoughts to them. But the lottery reform, they really went for it. They did a bunch of stuff. There was one piece that we didn't talk about in the next segment that it looks like the second round is going to reverse in order from I didn't even see this. Yeah. Now, it hasn't been confirmed in the reporting yet, but it was one of the things they voted on that basically if you have the sixteenth pick, you'll have the first pick in the second round. My spoiler alert, my thoughts were all this sounds great until we end up with the 1993 situation of the magic winning twice in a row. Do you like this three-two-one thing? I like elements of it. I think there are parts of it that especially in the transition feel super clunky and maybe borderline unfair to some of the teams that are been operating under the assumption of the league as is as they try to put their teams together. Like the Grizzlies in particular are in such they get such a raw deal because of the trade that they made with the jazz where they have the jazzes pick. Like I feel like most of the other widespread overhalls of a system like this and it be a history are usually stationed a couple years out for exactly this reason. It's like, okay, we got to let the pick protections expire. We got to get through this cycle of transactions and then the changes will start. I applaud like a more urgent dealing. But the tradeoff for that is like, I don't know how you could explain this to the Grizzlies. They're like, oh, I'm sorry. I know you thought you were getting what was going to be like a top five pick from the jazz potentially in the future. But you're just fucked. Well, and then the other side of it is like your Indiana, you trade your first round or this year that you lose because of the protections. And then you trade your 29 first as well. And then all these rules come in. And now that 29 first is a much better pick than it was. I feel like the picks that really weren't like from the shittiest teams that were that next level of like playoff teams or French playoff teams. Like if you have like Miami's first round pick. Yeah. Right. We have golden states first round pick or who knows even the having the Celtics pick in 2029. All of a sudden those picks gain value. Yes. And and then the other piece of it where normally like the Celtics had those nets picks a couple times. And there was one year when I think it was the I can't remember which one of the brick Lopez was just on a heater. And it was like, we're going to get the top three pick from the nets. And then brick Lopez was just going nuts for like two straight months. Because the nets had nothing to play for and they played into a little bit of a later position. Now it's like you could have a team's pick. They could play into that four to 10 spot. And now you have a better odds than to pick anyway. So I don't know. There's they really really blew this up in ways that I don't even know what all the ramifications are going to be. I'm surprised like you that they didn't wait a year and just say like maybe even with the top five protection or whatever you know in the can't win two years in a row. Why not start that in 2027? We've seen it again with almost every other giant rule change in the league. And I mean, this is going to have I would think massive repercussions on the trademark and general for exactly what you outlined with the picks, right? Like any mid-level team is going to talk themselves into holding on to a pick because it could be immensely valuable under this new odd standard. And so I'm like I'm cool with that as someone who like I like talking about the games more than the potential trades. But I hope the league is okay with the fact that so much of the interests in the NBA is driven by who is the player your team can get. And I just think we're going to see fewer traits as a result of this. Like it's going to really sap a lot of the energy out of a really the ability for these teams to deal with each other. If it's all just player for player and there's really not a lot of sweetening involved with the picks. All right. We're going to I'm taking a break and then Hassan's Cobra coming on. We're going to do a mailbag, but we talk about lottery reform at the top. More importantly for you, not only can we hear you on group chat on the ringer NBA show. But you're going live on Sunday for the season or series finale of you for you. We are not sure. Season finale series for now. We have no idea, but you're going to be live on our ringer TV YouTube channel. You and Joanne Robinson. Yes. We say hour and a half. How long do we think the show's going to be? I think it's confirmed. It's over 90 minutes. So oh my god. We're going to be going live at 830 Pacific. Come along. Maybe every character will be dead. 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All right, we recorded this part of the podcast. It is before game six of spurs thunder. So if there's an our test melee situation or something crazy, we didn't know about it. The lottery reform came in today, guys. The 321 method. There's going to be 37 balls total. bottom three teams will get two instead of three. They're they're calling it the relegation zone. They can't fall lower than the twelfth pick from what I can gather. And I don't know if I like this or not. I like it more than I did a month ago. But I still feel like House's Wizards, for instance, if they would if you had tried the whole year, how many games would you have one house? If you'd really tried one-ish, I mean with this with the original roster with CJ McCallum, because McCall, they went on a stretch where they won five of seven games at the end of December into early January. Like, hey, CJ, great to see you. Thank you for everything. They literally traded him after that that stretch of success. But I have a more important question, which is to do to Kobe, which is, you know, how many times does he try to do three to one method with his wife? Has he been in the relegation zone? The answer is yes. I've definitely been in the relegation zone. Well, here's the thing. You mentioned the McCallum trade. So one of the benefits of this, I guess, would be that we're going to see less deadline trades and giveaways. And we're going to see less of just Anthony Davis getting traded for nothing or like what the bulls did. If I'm the bulls, like, do I trade the sumo? And I do I trade Kobe white if it's not really technically going to make me that much worse. And I'm going to be in that four to 10 range, which is going to have the most ping pong balls. Anyway, are we going to see guys get given away? Are we going to see conversely teams that are worried about being in the relegation zone, trying to trade for players that will help them? There's all of these ramifications to this that I'm trying to wrap my head around to Kobe's. But the biggest thing and we were all alive for this was the 93 lottery. When they did 66 balls and they did, it was 11 teams in the lottery. House remembers this. We were both out of college. And it basically was the most simple way you could do it. The worst team got 11 balls, second worst got 10, third worst got nine. And went all the way down to the best of the worst teams was Orlando who got one ball. They had a one in 66 chance. And they got Chris Weber, who they then traded for Penny Hardaway and three first run picks. And everyone lost their fucking minds. Do you remember this? Because they got shocked the year before. Then they got Weber. And everybody was like, oh, my God, how can this happen? And that led to 30 years of lottery reform, Jacobi. So why wouldn't that happen again with this new system? Well, a couple of things. Number one, that's not the biggest thing. The biggest thing is that they're going to televised. Like we were talking about this last time I'm live in person. You got to remember like this, you know, Jacobi, the TV producer, we got from my producer hat on here. Like, this is now a television event. Instead of like them doing it in some back room. And then like a host reading it, that to me is the biggest thing is like, it'll be a really fun thing to watch. Franchises change like right there in the moment instead of like, it is a little stale when like, Urson Young has it in a briefcase or whatever. And it's like in this secret room. I like the idea that it's going to happen live on television. It's going to be a television event. The second best thing about this. Well, then we figured it's going to we figured it's going to be 37 balls. And just one pops out. And that's it. Like they're not going to do the complicated four balls thing. It'll just be one. Yeah, it'll be like, I imagine it'll be like, like watching like the, the lotto on like the, the, the five o'clock news when we were kids. They'll be like, some hot girl just like the ball pop up. They'll have like a way to. Way easier to fit. Way easier to fit. Yes. This is the thing. Jacobi, the most recent draft was very dramatic. And I know that the people knew the results. I didn't know the results. And it was, it was live enough for me. I mean, it was very, very tough. The last five picks as a fan of, of, you know, the wizard was, I was on the edge of my seat. I was barely breathing. That's fair. But that's why we need the actual GMs out there. The people at the most that stake in real time. What was your second favorite thing, Jacobi? Easily. And my pod brother, Chris Vernon, that it was not unanimous. The governor's voted 29 approved. And one did not. And the members Grizzlies were like, fuck this. I love it so much. And that all has to do with the, you can talk back if we've discussed. But I just love the idea that Grizzlies are just like, somehow the Grizzlies gets screwed no matter what. Well, the thing is that in a fantasy league, if you change the rules that's dramatically for the next year, where people have future stuff, there would be a lot of arguments and angry emails going back and forth about. Well, I have three first round picks in the minor league draft next year. Now you're changing the rules. I mean, this is bullshit. You're trying to screw me. But somehow that didn't happen in the ambition. They did add the top five restricted thing. They did add the you couldn't win the picks two years and rather the first pick. So I like that stuff. But I don't know. I feel like this could lead to some result that we're all completely horrified by. Right? Like, okay, see having somebody's pick who's the 10th pick and then, okay, see ending up with the first pick or just some sort of thing where they're like, Oh, this was the worst case scenario and it happened because that's what happened to Chris where we're thinking. I don't mind it though. I don't mind the idea of a relegation zone and teams being humiliated. Right? How does this team should have been humiliated the last couple years and it finally happened with BAM out of us? They were again. Yeah. That's right. But that's all they're doing was was responding as rational actors to a system that they didn't create. But they certainly leveraged you know, the opportunity. So we'll see what set of opportunities. Sounds like we also kind of like it. Well, it's an improvement and they're also like all NBA changes. They're just like floating out ideas to see how the public reacts to it. And this is got like they call I read the thing is called like a sunset provision. So it actually is only in place for until the 29 year. Yeah. So they can't change it. If something goofy happens, there's sort of being like, we're testing this. It's a three year test drive and we'll reevaluate in three years, which I kind of like to the whole concept of watching your team suck ass for six months and then falling into the relegation zone is really rough. I think we really got it because there's going to be some fan bases like if that had happened to Indiana this year, they don't have Halberd and they lose Turner. They have a bunch of injuries the first half of the year. And just by no fault to their own, they ended up bottom three and had two balls instead of three. That's rough. Well, they got the functional equivalent of that. I mean, for all of that pain, they got Zubach. Oh yeah. Pritchards. They drafted Zubach. Pritchards can apologize again. I'll tell you this. I'll pass along some some intel that's been floating around. Apparently the Kings love a cuff, which I don't think is the super secret there. It's seven. And the Quippers have five and don't need a cuff because they have they have a point guard already. And it would be really easy for them to flip picks and for them to end up with a little extra something, something from Sacramento, which I guess would be some sort of swap or future pick, whatever. They could turn that Zubach pick into the seventh pick. Indiana's 2029 pick and then something from Sacramento, the best team in the league to trade for, which would make it one of the better trades we've had. Right? Just for Zubach, who's like, I like Zubach. I voted for him 13 while I be a year ago, but that's an incredible trade. I have to get off some stuff that I forgot to do on Tuesday. Biggest losers from the Nick's cabs sweep in the east. I'm just going to read this to you. No particular order. Speaking of Sacramento. Did you see this? This was floating around a little bit about Sacramento, the 2026 finals. If San Antonio makes it, it could be Mike Brown to get steering fox. 25 Halliburne was the best guy in a finals team. 24 Luca was the best guy in a finals team who they passed up for Barba Bagley. And then 2023, Michael Malone was the coach of the team that won. How, do you have anyone from Sacramento that could throw the wizards into this for 27? I saw that for nothing. I really admired it, but you know, it only parallels Washington, this Washington franchise. I think the streak is now up to 18 straight finals, 19 straight finals, where a former wizard is going to participate in the finals. But the kings are the gift that keeps on giving. That's where our focus should be. It's appropriately there. And let's just let them keep doing what they're doing. It's very good for the basketball. It's very good for the for the narrative. It's very good for our podcast, like the over-order podcast at the beginning, you know, the only things we got right was his that glow was was the most vicious I've ever seen that glow. He went up and went dark was like watching like a TV drama and the cop goes dark, starts doing weird shit. I feel like you guys should be in the relegation zone because of that over-udges podcast. We probably should. I mean, I'd be fine with it. We won't only get to pick 25 of the teams. Chicobs, we dealt with Sacramento. I think Vivek's a nice guy. I've always run. Anytime I run to super nice guy, I'm not sure he should own an NBA team. I'm pretty sure at this point. But we dealt with him for that grandland thing we did when they picked Stavskis, which was one of those mini documentaries that we had. Well, I forgot what year was that? Like 2011 or 12. They let us 13. Yeah, they're 13. They let us in their draft room. And it was clear, nobody wanted to take Stavskis instead except for Vivek who overruled everyone. It's like Stavskis, Stavskis. And it became this great internet moment. And he's just been given this comedy ever since. As nothing was better than the maybe we should play four guys on on the defense thing was like, what what? For that, it's like some things that shouldn't be said out loud. But that was, they actually came to us for that now. We will give you full access to our draft room. We're like, sure. That's a big, a pretty good. I respected it. All right. So Sacramento is a loser. Detroit's GM not doing anything at the trade deadline, which we all killed them on on every podcast we have. But why not? But I really wonder if they watch that go and fuck if we did one more score. James Hardin, who I thought took a proper pounding from everybody the last couple weeks, but these four straight trades now were the team that got him probably has real regrets after the trade. What's the equivalent of this house? Like what food order is the, I regret it the next day food order, but it seemed like a great idea at 830 at night after three drinks. I'm going to say this with love in my heart. I'm going to say this respectfully. The answer for me personally is Kentucky Fried Chicken. For some reason, for some, it just decimates me. And I only order it under the circumstances you just described. If I'm having fried chicken and I'm sober, then I order Popeyes because Popeyes is by far. And then if you know, Popeyes is in Iraq, there's Bojangles. I mean, I mean, the south, I'm where I back this, but it's like you fried chicken is everywhere. And it does have a tendency to be open until two in the morning in a lot of places. She comes, you agree with that? That James Hardin, the KFC order, four straight trades. It's really sound. Did anything after 11 p.m. is the answer? That's the appropriate answer. That's true. That's true. Those are now being called James Hardins. The other great James Hardin thing, 98 playoff wins now without a finals appearance, which ties him for the all-time record with Carl Malone. They're now linked. Carl Malone and James Hardin, most playoff wins without a finals appearance. All right. So I'm making him a loser. I want to push back. Why is James Hardin a loser as a result of, I mean, there are very specific things you can point to once again, several games where his turnovers exceeded. How about just not running back on face breaks? Just terrible transition defense that's been the story of his career? That's right. That's right. It's been the story of his career. It's no longer a bug. It's a feature. Plus, he's 36 years old. So my real quibble with Cleveland and Hardin, I thought that trade was successful. I think it made sense. They couldn't rely on Darius Garland anymore. They went on a run. They put themselves in the top four seeds of the East and they handled their business all the way up until they encountered team. It's just better than them. And Hardin was important to them, especially in the first two series. They both those series went seven games. I'm not defending James Hardin, but what I'm saying is I don't think he's a loser based on what we just saw. He's 36 years old. The franchise is the loser, especially if they extend him, but James Hardin was just James Hardin to me. But that's the issue. Jacob's, they clearly have a wink, wink with him. It's already come out. Yeah. So it's not just like, oh, we've traded for James Hardin's expiring contract and we dumped the Garland thing and we'll be way under the tax next year because this money's coming off. He's going to get like a two or three year deal for like 30 million a year. So they're actually actually stuck with him going forward, knowing that him and Mitchell as a defensive back court isn't great. So I would say that's bad. Well, I also thought it was bad at the end of game one when Brunson just went after him possession after possession after possession. Snatch his soul. And yeah, that wasn't great. And that's getting after the series. That's the whole stuff. I know. I'm sure I can sense going to be on this list. But also after the series when he says I, we are the better team. I was like, oh, I just saw four basketball contests between the two of you. And I didn't have the same impression, Mr. Hardin. Yeah. I was superb. I loved him for doing that. He was wonderful. I thought I played great defense. I thought we were the better team. Magnificent. Standing ovation. That's a good zags today. Are you going to start on Kenny Ackinson being one of the big losers in the ground? No, no, no. I mean, I don't think I'll ever live that down. I feel like that's going to come up for the rest of his coaching career. He cannot. And he should not. And he shouldn't be a head coach ever again. I mean, I'm still looking for. I'm looking for those time outs that he held on to in game one. I'm looking for him on eBay. He hasn't put him up yet. But you know, I wonder what price he could get for those. I think he feels like they were valuable to him in some form or fashion because they're still in his pocket. He can't use now because they're out, not playing anymore games. But no, that dude is an assistant coach. The combo of that, the James Harden having to bring him back, being way over the luxury tax again, and then having the Nick fans completely take over your arena for two straight games, which happened in two straight series, by the way. That was about as rough of a sweep as I can remember. We've had bad sweeps. That was like, she coves. What was a worse sweep than that? It was like, it had everything that you would want. It had everything you would want because they looked so good at the beginning of game one. And I'm sitting there watching it. I'm like, the Knicks had too much time off. They're too rusty. This other team has been in battles for two seven game series. They're a better team. There was so much better for that first half. So they had the gut wrenching loss and over time. Then everything else was just completely outclass for in game two and game three. Then you had the fan takeover and then you have game four where Mitchell comes out and he's giving him his best in the first half. And the second half they just didn't quit. They just gave up. And then you can hear the chance. It was just like, that's pretty bad. I mean, it's also bad that when they had to come out with like a headline that said, like, the calves are continuing with Kenny Atkinson. And it was shocking. I was like, oh, wow. I had to read it twice. I was like, oh, they made like an announcement that he's keeping his job. Well, how's the counter as they finished fourth in the 30 team league? Don't over react. Well, counter to the counter. They were supposed to win 57 games. They were supposed to match the output of the previous year. And they had to trade there is Garland, you know, before the trade deadline to capture the winning percentage. And there was no explanation other than in and out. I mean, mobility was supposed to continue to take another step. I mean, here's the thing for me. It's a sour situation. You laid it out. Yes. Let me ask you guys this when let's just look at the calendar. What date before or after August the first is the first rumor that the Ottoman Mitchell would be interested in playing for a different basketball team. And is that as exciting for 12 other teams as it was like a year ago? Well, I had that my next loser, Evan Mobley, who I think is now legit threat to be the fall guy and get sent somewhere because they got to get into the attack somehow. And if they if they have the wink wink with heart and then it's Jared Allen, it's Mobley or it's or it's it's Mitchell. She coves. Do you think could you see yourself at Barclay's next year? Eating a $15 Finney's pizza and watching Mobley run high screens with Ben Sirraf? Is that in play? That's not so exciting. That's not getting it. What if he was running it with Nolan Trey Orie? That's not doing that's not doing it for me either. No, you're not taking the train down there. I do kind of like Yeg or Joeman. I can't afford to go to next game. So next games are in play. It I can you know what I can see both both arguments, right? This was the first series with this core where they were like really healthy. Every other year there was like, yeah, but Garland was out and you know, and I also kind of feel like Mitchell was compromised against the mix. But I don't think that was going to make such a big difference. I could see them saying, let's make some tweaks and not make a huge move this off season, but I could also see them saying we've had this core. It has been mildly successful and very successful in the regular season, but not successful in the post season. Something needs to change. Like I could see both sides of this decision. How's who says no to Mobley for the six pick? Who has the six pick? Brooklyn. No. Yeah. Yeah, I can say no. You say 50 million bucks. You bring a guy making about that. That's not a different incentive. You say you say almost 40 million bucks. And then the hard electric tax stuff too. The reason why it's reasonable is because if that team looks in the mirror and you know, drinks some actual sort of honest serum, some truth serum, are they better than the Celtics next year? Do they think they are? That's why they've blown it up. I mean, I would check their better. I would trade Mitchell if I were them, but I just think they have to do something. I think they had their window. And this is it. Like the East is going to be better next year. I don't see how they're better next year. Hard new year older. So another loser, LeBron James, I feel like Cleveland was a like a fifth ring title chase team. I'll go there. You guys are close. I'll take the minimum. Everyone loves when somebody takes the minimum. When Carl Malone did that for the 0304 Lakers, it was like, Oh my God, this guy just wants to win, man. He'll do anything. I don't think LeBron's fixing anything if he goes there. They weren't at LeBron James away from beating the, beating the Knicks and then going into the next round to get St. Antonio okay, see and winning. And I just think that options out. Let's see it. You agree, Jacob's? I'm fascinated by what LeBron does this offseason because I can't see anything that works. Like literally of all the teams, like none of it really makes sense. And the problem is he is a valuable player. So he should be compensated for his production. What's the price? It's not a max price, but is it like 25 million year house? What is it? two for fifty. It's whatever the team he decides he wants to spend next year with Ken of Ford and fit and have one more great player. I still love. I mean, honestly, I think LeBron is a winner by virtue of what happened with Cleveland. Cleveland's the loser, not LeBron. LeBron wins by not having to go there. And he doesn't have to be coached by Kenny Atkinson. What the fuck? I mean, what are we talking about? The two options to be that are viable. A number one, the one I root for the most is the one that you threw out there, which is Kevin Durant and LeBron going to Golden State. Oh, Durant too. Can we put Davis in the Durant spot? I have Davis in there now. You have Davis going to Golden State. Yeah. So it's AD. You get the whiskey Butler and Golden State's 27 first. You're doing that. Done. Yeah, you're lucky. You're locking that done. Take that. They figure out how to get LeBron with the mid level. They bring Davis. They still have the 11th pick. They'll get a good player because this draft's really good. And we get the expendables. I had a fake sign in trade. I don't know if this is possible with the hard and who knows what the hard and extension is. But could you do a three way where Durant goes to the Lakers, LeBron goes to the calves and Hardin goes back to Houston and all the money just kind of works. And it's just kind of, it's just Durant's playing with Luca and Reeves. LeBron goes back to Cleveland, but is able to make like 35, 40 million a year. And then Hardin just goes to Houston and kind of gives them something they need, which is a guy who can create offense. House likes that one. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funky. It's a miracle round of old guys. The problem is I think LeBron and JJ, the only other like there's only a handful of coaches I can see LeBron tying his wagon to. Yeah, but you can't. They're not paying him more than I don't think 50 million here. That's crazy. They got to pay Reeves like 40. You still want to make the team better. You have a window with Luca now where you have to improve it. I just don't don't see them doing it. I think another loser is the Celtics who won a title in 2024 with a 27 year old star and a 26 year old star. And now have twice two years in a row lost their team you'd most want to be in the East title. They lose it last year to Indiana. That's like I'd rather be in Indiana going forward with the Tatum injury. And then this year you'd be like I'd rather be the next. They're going to have like clearly a three year run. And the Celtics now have to deal with this juggernaut next team. Miami probably getting honest. Detroit probably getting somebody else and maybe they missed their window. It's depressing. I don't need you guys to talk about the Celtics. I want to mention that. Bill, you did you've not mentioned the Twitch streaming. I mean, we have to. I've never seen someone sort of at a loan in their house talking to the computer, jeopardize their future with their franchise. I've never seen anything like this. Like fighting with Stephen A. Like what I don't understand what's happening. He's like proposing like a neutral site Stephen A debate. What is happening? By the way, I'd be excited for that. Yeah, I was thinking if there was, if there was a ringer staffer who started to do the Jalen Brown Twitch thing every night and was just kind of dancing with the line night after night, we probably would have had a phone call at this point and like, Hey, just check in. I don't know if this is a great idea. Another loser, Messiah Harry, who can we talk about? He gave up Siaka Mananobi, who are two key pieces of the last two Eastern finals teams that we have. And he got quickly RJ Barrett in two firsts in the 20s. You see the new Joe Dumar's house? Hey, well, he lost his job. He lost his job after. But like they win the title because of the quiet trade and then Dumar style, everything he does after that is kind of shaky. I feel like it was fair for us, you know, the number of years leading up to this most recently completed season to be extremely critical of Toronto and the moves we were making. We were befuddled by them that the money they were spending on players. I mean, it's still, you know, Isaiah, quickly, is this, I say, yeah, uh, I mean, you know, I know, uh, is, is, is now like the poster child for how you don't do stuff in this, this, uh, you don't want $30 million six men. You know, I'm 30 million dollars centers. Um, another loser is Adam Silver because the James Dowe and finals feud is here. This is going to be so fascinating to see how this works out. I don't think there's a lot of love lost. And, uh, I think usually when you have the, the finals in a location, the owners, usually helpful with the league. That's right. That's happening this time. I have two more. Vivek Prokerov, Robert Sarver and Glenn Taylor have now passed James Dullin in the worst owner's rankings in the 21st century. I think Dullin's out of the Mount Rushmore now. I mean, he, he ended over this team. They made Eastern finals last year. They made the finals this year. He's out. And I think it's Vivek Prokerov, Sarver, Glenn Taylor's. That's not like the right list, Jacob. Anybody else you throw in there off top of your head? You good there. Prokerov was amazing. He doesn't get enough credit. Oh no. Yeah, he was. Yeah, we're going to spend money. We're spending more money than anything you've ever did a year later. I don't want to spend money anymore. He said, he even get married if they didn't win the championship. Yeah, it's like what? I think actually Glenn Taylor might have been the worst one though because he, he even sold this team for way less than what it was worth. Like he was just terrible owner. He even fucked up the sale of his own franchise and then tried to do a lawsuit over it. Yeah, then tried to see the guy said, bought it a dead loser. I'm wondering it should Prokerov and Josiah I be lumped together because Josiah basically tried to run back the Prokerov playbook with, but I heard you heard Kyrie. Josiah just seems like he's loyal to a front office. That's not fair. Okay. For some reason, but Josiah at least made runs. Like if Harden and Kyrie don't get hurt that year, they probably win the title, right? All I'll say is Ryan's door for like a word. He'd like to, you know, some consideration in this conversation. That's fair. Last one is the legacy kid owners, which we always have been fun of being terrible. Legacy kid owners won in 23, 24 and 26. Celtics win in 24, 23. The Cronkies. Josh was running the nuggets and then 26 James Dullin. So there you go for that. All right. We're going to come back and I have some good mail back stuff for you guys. 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What team is he? Very funny. This is very funny. Go ahead. The Jets. Okay. Think about it. Think about it. House. I had two guys. I had Anthony Edwards because you know, Minnesota deserves somebody. And there's nobody on their football team that you can point to. I mean, if Kyler Murray turns out to be, you know, some incredible version, but I, right. So I love Anthony Edwards. And then I feel like, you know, Joe Burrow could be in the conversation. Cincinnati, the football team has, you know, a long record. I tried to come up with somebody from Atlanta, but I don't, I don't think Atlanta gives enough of a shit about sports. Ironically, it'll be Anthony Edwards when he goes to Atlanta. I had Anthony Edwards as well. I had Joe Burrow as well. I had Joe Burrow. I had Devon Booker because the sons, even though they've been relevant every decade, have never actually won the title. And then I just put Brown's QB TBD. If it ever happens for them, I think that's top three. We just don't know who that is. But I think right now, I like the Josh Allen one. Jalen Brunson too. I think that's right. Very good. Jalen Brunson wins the title for the next. It's an all-time year-a-year row. It's a standing o when you walk in a room. It's basically what Ortiz is like in Boston. Ortiz, like even now, all these years later, just walks in. People start applauding. I want to push back a little bit on Josh Allen. Yeah. Give me Caleb Williams. Okay. Because it's Chicago, they just live and die with the Bears. They've never had a good quarterback somehow. They did win four years. They did the franchise. Yeah, they did. And the bills have a history. But I just feel like just the big marketness of the city and when the Cubs won, what a big deal it was. And I've been to Buffalo games. I've been to Buffalo Feet Town. It's a small town. I mean, I just don't know what's going to impact the world the same way that a Bears Super Bowl win on the back of our quarter back instead of a defense that are running back would be would be big when Jacobi says the bills have a history. That's like saying Lamar Odom has tried drugs a couple of times. Like that's just the bills have more than a history. Yeah. The bills are the fucking conjuring house. All right, next question is from Kevin. Jalen Brunson's success is often credited to a strong work ethic and mastery of fundamentals similar to Jake Shuddle's worth the father character and he got game trying to instill into his son Jesus at a young age. That would be Rick Brunson. Do you think that Rick Brunson is a real life Jake Shuddle's worth Jake Shuddle's worth sans manslaughter. So Jake Shuddle was I thought it was Shuddle's worth. I thought it was sans too. Not sans but okay. Or sans sans sans. Yeah, yeah, sans sans manslaughter. God. So do you think Jake no manslaughter. Good Rick Brunson thing probably he wouldn't love it, but I do feel like that's one of the reasons Jalen Brunson is so tough though. You got to feeling his dad was just it's like a sports movie. It's like not as bad as great Santini, but when the whole thing is based on that one video. It's that one video that we have of him dribbling up and they're filming it. And like his dad is being such like a like a hard oh and he seems like a little poor little Jalen Brunson's not having a good time in that video. Like he's not enjoying, you know, working out with his dad in that sunny day. That video to me, which it was not, I didn't love it, you know, it's like me and Zoe was soccer. Like some of the videos we have, it's Shuddle's worth. I knew I was right. Shuddle's worth. The remarkable thing to me with the Brunson's is Rick's role, which is enormous in the on the on the bench and in the organization, because I think he's had a hand, a steering hand in all of the team building that's taken place over the last three years that put this team into the finals. And he definitely had a hand in convincing his son to take an under market extension so that they could bring in this extra talent. I mean, there's a fascinating like documentary at some point after this run is over. Maybe even after Brunson's career is over, let's sit down and really talk to the Brunson's about what went down for this time. Well, you left out. They hired Rick Brunson as assistant coach before the summer that they were trying to sign Jalen Brunson to make him leave Dallas, which was an old college trick that they would do where you would sign the dad on the college team as you're trying to recruit the kid. So that worked too. I mean, Western Leon played all the tricks with building this next team. They were they were working it like they get OG and really be knowing that he's going to be a free agent, but also knowing that he's a CA client that I have a relationship that they could probably talk him into staying and this is a relationship's business chick hopes. They remember they went to Jalen Brunson's playoff games too. They like sat there and just staring while he was on the maps. It was very obviously that they were interested that I'm terrified that someone will investigate the Brunson deal because it just really makes no sense on paper in less, you know, perhaps, you know, there's a there's a tree planting company somewhere. Yeah, like could be a tree planting company in New York. Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban was really on a heater in the 2020s. He could have Brunson for four for 55 and went low but somehow lost Brunson, just loses him right then decides to sell the team. He sells right before all the franchise valuations go flying up sells for way less sells it to this ownership that then oh and by the way hired Nico Harrison before he sold to the ownership and then Nico Harrison trades their best player and now he's like I don't I can't believe you did that. It's like you you're the reason they don't have Jayla Brunson look at that chance. You're literally the reason with the extra irony of him thinking that he was going to have some continuing decision making role some continuing input role, which is never how Harris for the history. Well, not only that, but it's been reported that in Harrison was one of the people and immediately took a giant knife and stuck it right in Cuba's back on that idea. Really crazy. Amazing. Michael from Gower, Missouri, wants to know if the thunder if they went back to back should retire Kawaii's Jersey, considering he's basically the reason this entire run is happening because the Paul George trade. Are there any other examples of players that never played for a team but had such a massive success that they should have their jersey retired anyway? First of all, it should be Kawaii and Paul George's jerseys together would be the move. I'm not against it. It's the most important moment in the history of the franchise that did that trade, but I was thinking like a player who single-handly caused a title for another team. And the only one I can really think of in the history of the NBA, where you can literally say like thanks to that guy we won the title is Frank Selvey on the 1962 Los Angeles Lakers. Game seven into the game has a nine footer and if he makes it the Lakers win the title and he missed it. baseline jumper. It's like a 12 footer. And if you and if he makes it Celtics lose to the Lakers, we don't have Jerry West like, you know, as the character in the HBO series someday. There's been other moments where it was like, oh, if that hadn't happened, like Maynu, Falling, Dirk in 2006. But Frank Selvey's the only one we could say if he makes that shot, the title changes. But here's my question for you guys. Could teams retire GM's? Maybe not numbers, but the names of GM decisions from other teams that led to a bunch of titles for them. So I'm going to give you four. David Khan, Minnesota took Ricky Rubio and then Johnny Flynn over Steph Curry and could Golden State like have a David Khan ceremony thanking him for for what he did. Same thing for Stu Inman, the Portland Trailblazers GM who took Sam Buoy over Michael Jordan. Should probably be in the rafters in Chicago. Bob Bass, Charlotte Cornets GM 1996. The Lakers are like, well, trade you Vlad A. D. Batch for the 13th pick. He's like, that sounds great. Vlad A. D. Batch is really good and trades them Kobe Bryant and they win five things. And then the last one, this is my favorite slick Leonard, the 1978 coach GM of the Indiana Pacers, as the number one pick in 1978. And it's the draft where you could pick Larry Bird and wait a year for him to come in the league. He's playing for Indiana State. Indiana is in such bad shape as a franchise. They had a telephone that year and tried to save the team. That's how broke they are. They don't take Larry Bird. They trade back from one to three with Portland for Johnny Davis and the third pick. And then their fans think, oh, they traded back because we're taking bird. Nope, they took Rick Roby. And then the Celtics got him sick. So you could argue slick Leonard, the GM. But Jacob's, do you like the idea of retiring GM? Helpful GM? I don't, I don't like the appeal of the opposing GM. No, no, because it's in the rafters forever. You're going to have to like tell your Greg. What is that doing? Like, who was slick letter? You have to explain. I like the idea of just like having a night. One of my favorite moments in sports history was when the Red Sox fans in Fenway were cheering Mariano Rivera. Oh, yeah, 2005. And then just cap. You know, there's only one of my favorite moments in sports history because he was so cool about it. He's already a champion of the Hall of Famer and a legend. He had a sense of humor about it. I think it should be a night like that. There'd be like one night where it's it's David Khan night for in Golden State. He comes out there and half time to do a little ceremony and they cheer him. They give it to David. Yeah, two points. So no nine. We're Steph Curry. Let's walk through it. It feels like a celebration instead of like a permanent fixture inside the arena that's there forever. Jack from Atlanta writes, I'm consistently amazed by Adam. So resinability to have a feel for public perception of the league. I don't think that's fair. But the playoffs are the most important time in the season. The constant talk among my friends is flapping. Why can't we shame these players for being on cool? Why can't they come up with something to stop this? This has been a topic on a lot of shows. I've been thinking about this a lot. And it's weird. It wasn't an SGA moment. It was that moment when maybe it was AJ Mitchell, whoever was somebody who was setting a screen and they went flying and they called an offensive foul and the guy sitting in the street on the spurs. Oh, it was yeah. And then they they was yeah. Jay, well, and then they did the wide shot, the overhead shot of him bumping into the guy and then flailing. And I wonder like when they added the flagrant, flagrant foul point system, which most famously came back to Hunt dream on in 2016 when he had to miss game five because he had too many points. Would you guys be cool if they had like a flapping point penalty system where the lead just announced the next day, we find SGA one flapping point for third quarter, or whatever. And it's just like you get to 15 points, you miss the next game. Like would people sign up for that? Because I actually think I would. Did you go be shaking? It said no. I love it. I absolutely love it. And because in the same way that they upgraded the plumbly foul, there's some smart people review the tape. In the moment, you can't because they do have like a flapping foul, but right, right. Real time, the rest, I mean, if you can't have the rest to evaluate that in real time. So I think they could do some sort of like, even if it's like the two minute report, like we reviewed the tape and, you know, there's seven foul foul, I mean, flops, even just like public shaming. But one thing I love about what's happened is as a Nick van, I've already grown a really strong hatred of both the spurs and the thunder. So whoever makes it through, I already have a nice foundation of, I fucking can't stand you guys, that's just ready to boil over. >> Well, I run okay, Brunson does it, too. He's, but more on, Brunson does it on picks and defense, really more than offense. SGA does it more than offense. Why are you making a face? >> I'm not so confused. >> I'm a smidge confused, that's all. >> Confused with what? I mean, I think that Brunson plays pretty physical and I, I mean, I, the stuff on defense and coming off the screen, I'm sure we can find those examples. >> He's a flopper. >> He does, he does, I watch on that again. >> On that again? >> Yeah, he tries to sell. >> He's an absolute flopper. >> Offensive foul picks is his big, his big game. >> I'm afraid of the flopping theory. One of my theories is that he has those little braids, little twists because when he jerks his head back, it looks more violent because his hair flies. >> It's a visual to like that. >> I like this. >> So would you sign up for the 15 point flop system? Just get a point. >> Anything that, you know, communicates to the NBA viewing public us that the league is taking this seriously is going to be a good thing. I think it would be fine if they just called two flops every first quarter. You know, they had the opportunity during this playoff run, this stretch where it's really become prominent. And we know that the league has the capacity for changing how it calls games over the course of your regular season into playoffs. They allowed more physical play and even the rotating referee crews, you could just call flops. Like I can't think of a game where a flop was called. >> They don't call that, they don't call offensive three seconds when the guy has the ball for too long when he's posting up. They call that like three times a year. Remember they added that rule? You can't just slowly post up for 10 seconds and they're like can't do it. It's got to be for shingun. It's like the only one that gets called for that. I would love a flopping thing. I think it's a good idea. >> Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Jelda Miss technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. Just plump, dewy hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Maybe it's Mabelie. Chan from New York wants to know if spurs under are supposed to be the main event, would the next be the money in the bank champs waiting in the wings to take advantage of a compromised opponent? This is great. Like a great wrestling analogy. Just let these two teams beat each other up. And the next are waiting like the series ends and they're coming in right away. I always get this email about whether money in the bank would work in the NBA and the answer is obviously no. But it would be amazing. Like you finish a series and they're all excited and the next team just comes in. Oh, they're passionate. They're passionate. This is a case. All right, Haas, you're going to love this one. This is from Joe from far northern Chicago suburbs. >> Okay. >> Conspiracy Bill, he starts it. Scott Foster's public facing NBA referee profile page. And this is true because I looked it up. List shameless and Ozark as his two favorite television shows. I haven't watched shameless. But Ozark is definitely about a legal monitoring laundering schemes and organized crime. Wikipedia tells me shameless is about people running scams and committing crimes to get money. How is this possible that he put these two as his two favorite TV shows? It's from Joe. Well, he's living like that. That feels like a bit at that point. It could be when I and I hope that he should have added your friends and neighbors is this third one. I love that. Great. No, great neighbors. Yeah, she could be like afraid to talk. No, I love your friends and neighbors. I'm so in on your friends and neighbors that birch billionaire character. I'm absolutely in love with her. I can't wait for her to come back and ruin our guys life. I'm in on friends and neighbors so hard. On that same page, it says Scott Foster's favorite movie is Braveheart. No one's favorite movie is Braveheart. Scott Foster's this. No one is lying. Liam Manley writes in I sent this one to you guys. Karusos 22.game 5 has to be top three role forever. Jorge Negudala. So he points out I created the 42 club, which was point three bads and assists in the playoffs. And if they add up to 42 or above odds, are you're a pretty special player. And it's been pretty reliable over the years, especially because I did 42 exactly because it was the best way to leave out Carl Malone. He's saying could we have a 21 club? If you average over 21 points, rebounds and assists multiple seasons, you're not a role player. And if you're under it, you are. I'm tweaking this to playoffs. And I like the under 21. I wonder if we could go a little lower. I sent you guys a bunch of stats. I have some role player questions for you though. Can you be one of the best four guys in your team and be a role player, Jacoby? I'd say you can't be one of the four most offensively productive. Best is a weird word to use because sometimes role players are the best because they're great defenders and great seat screen setters and, you know, assist guys. But I did consider this. And I don't like the minutes restriction stuff because sometimes role players are like starters that play the entire time. You know what I mean? Bruce Bowen was in 0507, 36 minutes a game, but it was clearly a role player. Yes. What do you average? Like six and a half points. Six points, three rebounds, one assists. Who I gouges and one step on the foot, one kick in the ball to hit the ball. Yes. I also don't I don't consider a good dollar role player like he was a role player for that championship team. But if you're like a former star and you used to sort of like have your own team, that's not a role player to me. That's sort of like a fading star accepting a new role. So the other case for a good dollar not being a role player is who is the fourth best guy in that team. In the finals. Curry, Clay, Dremon, Igudal was the fourth best guy at worst. So can you be the role player if you're the fourth best guy in a team? That's a problem with the Caruso role player candidacy because you could argue he's one of the four best guys in this team. Well, you can also argue that he's been forced to be one of the four best guys in the team to do the injury. Right. And the mental Cooper was the other one who might have been the fourth best Laker during his whole run, but was a role player. What do you think, House? The definitional part of this is is where the true injury comes into me because it's hard like how many rings if we're doing an all-time list, you have to have be on a team. I feel like you need to be like that level one. Yeah, because that's helpful. That crosses that means Trevor Risa is off the list. That means Jason Terry is off the list. That means Kendrick Perkins is off the list. Bill Wong. He only had the one. Yeah, there's and then it's like, is there a quality threshold? Jacobi just mentioned Igudal. Like Manu Manu Manu Manu Manu Manu Manu Manu Manu was too good. He can't be a role player. He was like, he's, I think one of the best 100 best ball players of all time. I can't call a favor. But if you look at his numbers and how he was used, you can say, well, he's six man is role player, but I just don't think he was. And then do you need the two titles? So that that moves us more. To me, like the best way to figure this out is to look at guys that we know are role players, which is clearly Robert Hory and the Lakers and the Spurs. Interestingly, Rockets, Robert Hory, not a role player, but arguably the third best guy in that team. Sure. I like that. Maro Ellie, 22 minutes of games, seven points, three rebounds and two assists in their two title seasons. That to me is a role player. Caruso, I think, makes it. It's basically 10 and three. The last couple of years playing it, whatever. Philly Bobby Jones is a good one. James Posey and 06 and 08, it's another good one. We lose Boris the, Steve Kerr, 19 minutes of games, six, one and two. And then Fisher is a great one, 30 minutes of game, nine, two and three. And I guess we have to put Bruce Bowen in. So would you say instead of the 42 club, maybe it's like the 17 club, it's got to be like 17 and under for points rebounds and assists. You're an official role player in that and that, right? Yeah. Let me, let me ask about Ron Harper. Another good one. Ended up with multiple. Ron Harper. Yeah. And, and Lakers, Ron Harper. I mean, it's kind of important to, to both. He ended up with 153 playoff games, five rings. And he's just under 21. He's 11.6 points, 4.6 rebounds, 3.9 is this. And was that the question about, uh, I've got one for you. Yeah. Chavelle McGee. Did he have how many titles though? Just titles. Oh, Lakers and Warriors nuggets. Oh, he did kind of play for them. Yeah, he played a role. Like to me, a role player, like you kind of do one thing, you know what I mean? Like, Ron Harper might be like too good. Like everything kind of, yeah, maybe like that's why like Caruso. It's like, I'm a defender. And if you leave me open, I'll hit a three. I'll do some energy stuff and transition. Like the, like a guy like McGee, because he's like, he's our big backup that comes in and block shots. And he's kind of weird. And he rebounds. And, you know, it's like like Tristan Thompson on the calves. Like, I have a role. Like no one's ever give me the ball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that, that to me is like a role players kind of like you know it when you see it. He's a It's important to spin off question this question. Jacob's when we played pickup hoops together for two years at USC, was that a role player? - Yes. - As old. - Yes, your impact was more just like, you're kind of like a coach on the floor. And remember that guy in the Lakers you were talking about who hit the baseline shot that I had no idea who you were talking about? Selvi, Fred Selvi, what are your name is? - I would have made Frank Selvi. I was like, I hope he doesn't ask me a question about Frank Selvi. I don't know what you just said. But nine to 12 me on the baseline is just Bill Spott. - Eighteen. - That is his spot. - 17? - 17? - You are my boss, you are my boss. So yeah. - Oh. - 17? - 16? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What about breaking up the two on once? - I mean, that's, I mean, you were great at that. But if I was the number one I was the number two option, we were losing. Yeah, we were losing. - I needed to be at the number four option, which made me a role player. - And then we're waiting and we're staying on the court for a while. - John Colleen sent a Sam Perkins question on role players asking if Sam Perkins was the jury west of role players. Mavericks late 80s, Lakers early 90s, Super Sonics, Pacers. Sam Perkins was a role player on the 96 Sonics and O.O. Pacers that made finals. He was kind of better than a role player in the 93 Sonics and then the 91 Lakers who's probably the third best player. But then also in Dallas. He played in five conference finals for three different teams, four different teams and three finals. Really interesting Sam Perkins career sent me on a deep dive. 167 playoff games for Sam. 35th all time and kind of had all the phases of Sam and then finally crested with the Indiana. He looked like he had just smoked a bowl. He weighed like 300 pounds, but could still hit a three at any time. But really fun run for him. Haven't thought about Sam Perkins in a while, guys. I feel the same way. And I always like, my mind's eye is like, oh, he's talented. I expect him to make the right play. His hoops IQ was always in the right place. But maybe I'm only thinking about the end of his career. Well, maybe I'm not the Lakers. So one of the best game ones ever, which I mentioned to you, I think I mentioned to you the last time we did this, was that Bulls Lakers game one. MJ misses the game winner bounces around and goes out. But Perkins made the three. That was the game winning play. They set up for Magic Founder. Sam Perkins, really good. All right, really, really important question from Corey from St. George, Utah. In your book of basketball, you debated a team of five of the same whoever's any other duplicated five. Would a team of five Victor Wembeñamas be the ultimate team that would beat any other version of five other guys? Meaning could five Wembe's beat five LeBron's? Could five Wembe's beat five Biversons, et cetera, et cetera? Jacobi shaking his head. Absolutely not. No way. I would say, I think that's almost, I'm one of the, a ball like the Superstars. He's probably one of the worst to clone four more times and put out there because he is so tall. Like, who's bringing up the ball? Wendy. Wendy, yeah, that's the problem. Who's like, Wendy number five is bringing up the ball. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Chico, I actually think I completely disagree with you. I think five Wembe's kills everyone. You play alone with the five Wembe's. How do you score? What are you talking about? How am I getting a shot off against five Wembe's? Oh, they're doing is playing zone. How am I shooting anything? All right, I have a counter. I'm five Michael Jordan's. I agree with this. That's the answer. You guys would take five Wembe's. Five Wembe's over five Wembe's. Definitely. Bill, Bill, Bill, I'm gonna allow you to retract the statement. I'm not retracting it. Wembe's seven Michael Jordan's. What are you talking about against five Wembe's? What are you even peak Michael Jordan? Michael air Jeffrey Jordan. I the one we have to break this out as a social group, because I can't believe this. I can't believe this. But the one Wembe couldn't post up in game five against Oklahoma City. Yeah, he gets tired in the second quarter. So you're saying one of the five Michael Jordan's is pushing back. But then we're all just bringing another Wembe. They get closer. He keeps a feature. You know, I have no less. They keep talking about it. Five Jordan's. You need somebody who's good at everything. Jack of all trades. Wembe's a very unique player because of his height. He needs guards and people to set him up. He doesn't like, honestly, he doesn't even create his own shots. The best Wembe is rolling to the basket and then Steph Castle just blindly throws the ball up in the air and he either tips it in or tips it off the rim to himself and thunks it. See, I think five LeBron's would have a better chance than five Jordan's. Jordan is six six. It's a good argument. Now we're having a quick start. Instead of the LeBron Jordan debate, we're having the LeBron is close. Five Lumbies for five Wembe's. Five LeBrons. Five James Hardins would have some trouble. Okay. Because that's the other thing. Five curries could just like bomb threes and try to beat them with math, right? They were like, we don't care how tall you are. I'm just going to shoot 30 footers. I love it. Matt from Toronto is exhausted by the term generational. It's supposed to be once in a generation. Now he's hearing it's a generational draft, multiple generational prospects. He said in his eyes, only two generational players are in the NBA right now. LeBron, whose generation is ending in Wembe's, whose generation is starting. He wants to retire the word generational for everyone else. Let's not use it anymore. I would throw in Joker as a generational offensive player, which I think he is. So I would say we have three people that the generational word can get thrown around. Other than that, I think he's right. I didn't even think I'm going to hurt the mayor. It's like, how can you leave Curry out? Generational, oh, you're right. He's still in the league. I have Curry. Curry generational shooter. So there's four, not the rant generational score. He's going to go down as the most prolific score. He's a generational scoring forward. Generational tweeter. And the rant's kind of the line for this. Generational scoring forward. What does that even mean? It's all about the generational. You don't because I just don't know when it starts or when it ends. It's kind of like when you go to a store and they have the sign on the door that says like be back in five minutes. I'm like, when did you, when did the five minutes start? And when is it going to end? And how do you know when I'm going to see the sign? So it's like the generations are like lead into each others. What I feel like like there's no defined beginning and end of the generation. Sort of just like a sliding 20 years through time. Would you say house is a generational leader? Yes. I agree with this. I would say all time. I think he is too because any time over the course of my life when people who did no house ate with house, there's always that point in the meal when they just become impressed that house is still eating and that he's picking stuff off other plates. And it's been going on forever. I think which makes him generational. He doesn't draw a lot of attention to it either. He's not performative with his overeating. You know, I mean, he's not talking about it. It's just sort of just slowly like, oh, hey, the guy will come by and be like, oh, you're done with the egg rolls? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'll take that off. Do you think I'm a generational playing Blackjack at 430 in the morning guy or no? No. Okay. House. This questions for you from Cody K. All right. He's a long time wizard's fan. Oh. He's lived through the draft picks of people like Jan Vesley. I'm familiar. He's lived through overport, overpaying out of a porter. He's lived through playing and coaching of Randy Whitman. That happened. Losing on purpose. Sure. He's excited about the draft. And he's seen recent rumors of the wizards getting in on the Greek freak sweepstakes. Am I losing my mind thinking a lineup of Trey, Trey Johnson, Belal, AD and the freak could work. He didn't even mention your number one pick in the draft. Plus we have dullest to grease flights. He wants to point out too. House is true. You still haven't talked to yourself into this. It's outrageous. It's preposterous. I understand the season that we're in now with the NBA where we have to go into this drama queen mode because there isn't anything to talk about from the games. But there is no scenario under which it makes a lick of sense for Janus to come to Washington. None whatsoever. Jacobi, where do you want Janus to go? Yes. What's your team? What's the most fun for content, Janus team? Expandables is off the table. Yeah. Most fun for content is going to be the nets. Just like a terrible nets team and they win like 30 games, but he's just pissed. But he's in New York and there's like rumors about him being out in clubs and stuff. It's just like, and he's just getting hammered. He's just like, God, I was actually better off in Milwaukee than I am here in Brooklyn. I would be for content would be the funniest because of the spot like the New York market puts on you. And like, you think it's bad with your roster in Milwaukee, like, welcome to Clownie and Joe Man. I think Miami would be the most fun. Heat culture versus you also have to sign my two brothers if I'm coming. We do that whole thing. That could be fun. Jason from New Jersey has a Greek freak thing. He says with when we doing what he's doing, do we have to rescind Yanis' nickname, Greek freak or the freak? Next to when he doesn't seem to be freakish. Not saying we need to call when be the French freak, but I don't think we can have other players called him. Freak. If when he's in the league, I disagree. I'm fine with. Yanis is the freak. We've called in the freak. When he's the alien or the UFO? Alien. Yeah. He's not a freak. He's more than a freak because he hasn't earned anything yet. Janus earned the freak. He didn't just arrive. We looked at him and started calling him the freak just because of how he looked It's how because of how he played his force of will his dominant style That's what really he filled out the freak right now. It is fine to call Wembe an alien or you know from a from a different whatever Because that that's all that we can describe to him. There's nothing It's a great run I'm thrilled for for the spurs and let's see how this plays out before we start giving him any nicknames Other than recognizing that he's a giant person would five Yannis's beat five Wembe's Yes, phenomenal. I agree with your cobes strong. Yeah, I don't think five Wembe's is a strong team. I really don't think five Wembe's is a strong team I could beat five Wembe's I love this. I can't wait to see what people think of this I want Freak to get to a Western conference team and dunk on Wembe, you know Repeatedly. I think there's a real, you know He's mad. He took his corner. Yeah, exactly right Not not the free corner, but you know, who's the biggest baddest big guy. It's like what's happening in euphoria right now is Zendaya and Sidney Sweeney No Well, I haven't watched one episode that I know which way major start well one of them one of them has been naked the whole season Yes, and I know which one that is so Marcus. Marcus is a huge sons fan And he's still having trouble especially with the recent Jalen Brunson thing Digested in the Sun's 2018 draft And he said when they took the Andreate and over Luca Donchich. It was so monumental. It overshadowed everything else that happened that night The Sun set through the first 31 picks They took with the first pick DeAndreate and over Luca Donchich With the 10 pick 10 pick they took Mikel Bridges over shade Gilges Alexander and with the 31st pick they took Ilia Cobo over Jalen Brunson I did not realize this Ilia Cobo Ilia Cobo Not familiar with him. So they passed up Luca Donchich SGA and Brunson all in a row And they all got taken either the next pick or two picks later Pretty interesting. How is that like broke how strange who the GM was for that Um, that's the kind of stuff the sixers have been doing for a decade now. Which I really enjoyed Kevin from Maldon diehard Celtic fan along with all his buddies And said if it's a next thunder series, who do we root for? We're very split None of us like New York teams none of us want to root for the next That's how fucking annoying the thunder art of watch Kevin from Maldon writes You have a bunch of Boston guys rolling with the nicks over the flappers Jesus Christ. I hope won't be in the spurs pit pull it off Wow I kind of feel the same way I'm probably I'm probably at the basketball fan in me would probably root for the next storyline Even though it's a New York team and New York will be insufferable for years after You can hate the nicks, but it's hard to hate these nicks It really is even if you're from Boston like I get it you hate the uniform But like the players and the vibes like and they're going to be underdogs to the flappers I think you have to go next it even if you're in Boston What do you think has to great great point. I agree. We on this. Yeah. Okay Um, this is a good one Maybe we end on this Speaking of flopping from Liam from Minneapolis. He recently watched the 1997 movie double team Starting Dennis Rodman and Jean-Claude Van Damme and was thinking what current NBA player action star duo Should we get to remake this and was wondering if it should be Anthony Edwards and Jason Statham Um, I had an idea They remake double team as double flop With SGA and Statham That's phenomenal. I made this on CG. You did that. Yeah, look at you Put it make a I make a make a double flop movie poster for me and they did it Double flop. It can't be you say tham is is is too legit. You need a uh a worse action hero Well somebody if SGA was an action movie person His move would be he's in fight scenes and he would be flopping and the people would be just completely confused It's armed he would dive into them with like an elbow thing and go flying And they'd be like what the fuck did that and then statham would just come in and punch him in the face That'd be the move You know great. I was so scared to google double team movie Dennis Rodman because I'm sure there were some double teams filmed during this uh film You guys you guys those two guys together. Yeah, I felt like we should just be careful We I felt like trying carefully here was the right move. You guys got really scared there for a second Well, I mean the action hero bit That's all I have to stay statham statham might be too big So the biggest thing we argued about was Five Wembe's first five Michael Jordan's One of your worst takes one of your worst takes honestly. I'll be interested to see what America thinks I have a zone before you five seven foot six guys It's Michael Jordan versus a 22 year old French guy Who shot four for 15 because he couldn't get in the lane against I say a heart and shine listen If I was actually picking this up I'm picking five Michael Jordan's against everybody. I just have I'm picking five as they are hard stands over five women. I might say hard stands over five Wembe's. That's a good matchup Uh before we go house who do you want with the number and pick AJ hasn't changed. Okay. It's AJ. Oh AJ all day. I love that guy the whole long story that the Utah Feature editor did about what's the deal with Darren Peterson's crimping situation Do you read that? Did not don't care. You should read it because it will make you maybe not want to take him as much and move maybe more toward AJ I already who I already said AJ I want AJ. You know he reclassified as an interested he reclassified as an eighth grader house did eighth grade twice Little older than you think AJ Don't care. I watched him play basketball. He's fucking awesome. He is really good. I hope you take AJ Me too. Who do you want them to take your coach? AJ Or Caleb. I'm staying away from Peterson if I'm like the number four pick. We was at the jazz. It's time. It's the balls of the balls. Yeah, I'd be terrified of Peterson drops me. I kind of the your hands are tied. You have to take him Wow, I'd be terrified to draft Peterson. I really would. I'd be terrified. I watched some of those games It's just like weird you'd have 22 in the first half and just be like, yeah, I'm out. I'm done He's one of the all-time terrified to take him terrified not to take him guys that we've had in the draft No, either way either way you just scared for the result You should get Dominic from Dubuque to ask that question in the next mailbag Dominic from Dubuque. Who's that? I don't know. I just came up with that Feels like a guy that might have a question about the all-time list for for guys. You're damn if you do damn if you don't Draftfully hopefully Dominic if there's a Dominic in Dubuque. Hopefully, he'll run in. All right guys. It was great to see both of you Jacob's we'll we'll watch them. Let's do on the mismatch and food news Julia litman house fairway roll in us open coming up Yeah, we got the memorial. We're in jack's place next week. That's that's gonna be exciting I can't make you test as well. Are you gonna bet on World Cup or now? Uh, yeah, I've already bet on Norway over Iran. That was one. I'm just doing whatever Anthony DeBundo tells me to do so I'll be betting I'm almost definitely betting against the US when they play a good team Um, but I'm just listening to the Bundo definitely betting on the World Cup. Well the Bundo I think might have had an aneurysm today because sinner lost in the french open It was like a minus 12,000 favorite or something and he got he's trying to end up losing no right french wide open anyway. Uh, all right guys good to see you All right, that's it for the podcast Thanks to Jacobi House. Thanks to Mahoney. Thanks to Gihau and Eduardo as well. 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