Gad Saad: Suicidal Empathy Started in Colleges and Is Ruining the West + Spencer Pratt DESTROYS Toxic Femininity

Well, this episode, "Gad Sad" joins me, always a great conversation, the news with Alicia Krause, and we got all that right after this. And so much more for Showtime's press, nothing, they're free 24/7. That is so effects. On Pluto TV, stream now, pay never. From Corolla One Studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Corolla Show. Adam's guest today, visiting professor at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom and Ole Miss. God's Son. Plus the news with Alicia Krause, and now, Adam Corolla. Yeah, get it on, got to get it on, no choice but to get it on, man, date, get it on, and today, one of my favorites. God's Sad is back on, or maybe it's "Gad's Sad". Sad, screw it up every time. "Gad's Sad", suicidal empathy, dying to be kind, is the name of the book, you guys have all heard about it. And "Gad" is a visiting professor at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at Ole Miss amongst other things. And just an important thinker, so it's good to see you again, my friend. Oh, it's so good to be with you, Adam. Thank you for having me again. I sort of follow things like you follow things, and I try to make heads or tails of them. And we're really living in a period where the left is saying to people like us, "Why so cruel? Why are you being so cruel all the time?" And I'm like, you understand we're not being cruel because we're cruel people. We just have, having your kid not eat candy for breakfast, just because your kid starts crying and you're scrambling him an egg doesn't make you a cruel parent and makes you a good parent. Indeed. So let me, to speak to exactly at that point, let me explain why all the detractors that are saying that people like you and I are trying to usher a world of darkness where empathy ceases to exist. I'm certainly doing no such thing. Empathy is a very important virtue to have. Right? For you and I to have a meaningful conversation, I need to put myself in your mind and you need to do the same thing vice versa. That's called cognitive empathy or theory of mind. But like Aristotle explained to us several thousand years ago, Adam, all good things in moderation. Two little empathy or no empathy makes me a psychopath, but too much empathy if it hyperfires in the wrong situations towards the wrong targets you end up with suicidal empathy. So like many things in life, it's about how well calibrated the phenomenon is. Cancer cells divide and healthy cells divide. They both divide except that cancer cells don't have a stopping mechanism. They hyperfires. The same mechanism applies with suicidal empathy. Yeah. I would say to Dr. Drew all the time when we're trying to explain things, I would just say all roads lead to narcissism. And I believe a lot of this is narcissism. It is basically saying these guys are cruel and by implications since I'm the one pointing it out, I'm not. So it's a really a narcissistic endeavor. It doesn't feel like a narcissistic endeavor because people mistake narcissism with Donald Trump. He says he's going to build the biggest and the best ballroom ever made like they think of narcissism is bragging, you know, telling high school football stories or in your case soccer football from back in the day. But there's another deeper form of narcissism, which is I'm going to save everybody because you can't like, hey, young black person, I understand because I'm a middle-aged white woman. And you need me to fix your life for you. And me calling everyone cruel thus makes me a better person. Exactly. So in chapter one of suicidal empathy, I actually used the explanation of narcissism to, in part, explain suicidal empathy, right? Narcissus, Narcissus, we say in French, if I pronounce it the French way, died looking at his beautiful reflection because he was enamored with his physical beauty. What the suicidal empathetic person is doing is they're stroking their luxuriant hair in the mirror of moral preening. Look how good I am. I'm not like that degenerate god sad who doesn't want open-border policies. So it is exactly what you're saying. It's a form of vanity, malignant vanity and narcissism that drives such people. It's grotesque. And it's grotesque and it's also so paper thin. Like you don't understand humanity enough when I'm saying during COVID, let's reopen the schools. And you are then accusing me of hating kids and hating kids of color. You know, I want kids to go to bed without food and things like that. I have kids. There's no history of me being cruel to kids. I know many kids. I'm perfectly good with kids. Why do you think that's my motivation? I don't think you think that's my motivation. I think that's your narcissism. But you know, when they get into Trump and these are adult politicians, like he's, he likes cruelty. He's scared of people. Look different than him. What's his, what's his agenda? His agenda is pain. Pain for anyone who isn't one of his rich bodies. It's like why that doesn't even make sense. But why are you so simple in your thought process that you think people like Trump or you or me or just we just hate people and we love being cruel. So one of them, we're now fast forwarding to the end of the book where in chapter eight, I talk about an inoculation against suicidal empathy or a mind vaccine against suicide empathy. And one of the prescriptions I give is don't succumb to the first order effect of the empathy based dopamine hit. Now, I know it's a mouthful. So let me unpack that for you. Right. If the people are knocking at the border saying, please let us in. We want to be part of the great American experience. If I view the world through the myopia of first order effects, meaning that there's, there's no cascade of effects. Then the only thing that I should do is let them in because then I can immediately afterward get the dopamine hit that comes with me being so or geographically empathetic. But if I realize which any three year old should realize that the world is made up of domino effects, right. There is a butterfly effect. I could let in 10 million people today. Many of whom don't share the foundational principles on which the United States, you know, is founded. Well, then my grandchildren will end up hating me because we will be living in a very different country than the one that you and I inherited. And so that is, I think one of the key reasons why the society empathetic are so intoxicated would always doing the thing that optimizes my immediate hit of empathy. And I learned it because I got a front row seat to it because my mom, my grandmother, particularly, but my family was very much that way. And they would talk all the time about helping the people of color and these people don't have enough and so on and so forth. They would never do anything for those people ever. But they felt and here's a concept I'd like you to weigh in on. I think there's a satiation that comes and it's more so with women, they've researched it. It's more so that if you talk about something enough, there's a satiation feeling of, as if you'd done it. You know what I mean? My grandmother, my mom would constantly talk about the indigenous people and the poor brown and black people. Meanwhile, they barely paid taxes and they surely never volunteered down at the reservation or the soup kitchen. They never did anything for anybody, but they talked about it all the time and then walked around with a sense of superiority. But I now realize it almost felt to them as if they'd done it like somebody who talks about writing a book for five years. They're somewhere in their brain. They almost feel as if they'd actually written a book. It satiates them. Well, let me bring in some evolutionary biology into what you just said for a signal to be an honest signal and bear with me as I unpack it. It has to be costly. Let me explain what I mean by that. The peacock's tail could not have evolved if it were only about survival that evolution was working on. because if you evolve a very big tail, it actually reduces your surface. right? You're you're less likely to evade predators. You're more likely to be conspicuous to predators. So the only reason that the peacock evolves this very big tale is because it confers a great mating advantage, meaning that it is that he is basically saying to the p-hands, the females, "Look, despite the fact that I have this very burdensome tale, I'm still standing therefore shouldn't you pick me as a prospective mate." Therefore, that signal in the peacock's tale was that it had to be handicapping. He had to bear a cost in order for it to be an honest signal. So now you could see how I'm going to come back to your question. Those people that you're referring to that are simply speaking about helping the indigenous people do not bear any cost, right? But for example, the one who truly loves freedom and is able to speak out against Islam within an Islamic country is really peacocking because he knows that any minute he could be taken away and executed and decapitated. So he is exhibiting a costly signal that actually demonstrates the validity of his real belief. But your grandmother and your progressive aunt are just yacking away and they incur zero costs. That's why they're fraudulent. Yeah, my mom, by the way, but yes. But I see it every time, you know, every time a mayor, and oftentimes a female mayor of a progressive city announces that we are a sanctuary city, that we welcome all and that we don't judge and that no humans illegal. That's all the satiation part. The second, the, the second the governor of Texas or Florida starts packing El Salvadorians into a bus and dropping them off at Martha's Vineyard, they all freak out because they don't have any intention of doing anything. But the, the saying it feels so satiating and so satisfying to them. And then also, you know, you see what's going on with the new progressive democratic socialist party. You know, they just go prisons, abolish them. Police, defund, ice, abolish, uh, taxes tax the rich. You know, there's no, it all lives in some sort of gravity-free world that would immediately come crashing down like Skydome if they ever, if it, if anyone ever tested, same with the, they do defund the police. They try it for 10 minutes. It's a complete shit show. But yeah, it would be nice. Like, I would like to be the guy who just explains no child should ever go to bed hungry and everybody should have world-class healthcare. And now I'm going to bed because that's what they do. And I don't know why, why do so many people buy into it? That's the bigger question. I get what they're doing. They're getting elected. Because all of these parasitic ideas, postmodernism and cultural relativism and radical feminism, they were all spawned on university campuses. And as you've probably heard me mention in other places, because it uniquely takes professors to come up with some of the dumbest ideas. But now why is that so? I mean, surely professors are smart enough to not succumb to such stupidity. Well, the reason why they're able to be the spawners of such stupidity is because their pontifications are perfectly decoupled from the auto-corrective slap of reality, right? So if I am a professor in the humanities or in some of the social sciences that are laden with social activism, I could stand up, pontificate that up is down, left is right, men are women, slavery is freedom. And the original mechanism by which somebody says, wait a minute, that doesn't work. As a matter of fact, you see that typically engineering schools and business schools are the least likely to be parasitized by this nonsense. Because by virtue of them being applied fields, then there is going to be the auto-corrective mechanism of reality that hits you bad. That's why you don't have lesbian dance theory bridges. Because if you use lesbian dance theory to build a bridge, it will collapse. Therefore, engineers are more immune to this nonsense. Same thing with the business school. And so to your point, you take these professors that brainwash our children, then the children become our leaders. They're not equipped to have a feedback loop with reality. So they say things like, wouldn't it be nice if it were social workers that were taking care of criminality rather than those mean cops that are committing a daily genocide on black men? And then oops, they realize that it doesn't work. Yeah, I was watching a tweet. I think you sent out earlier about DeFreed, Zakaria, I think, his name. And he does the narcissistic thing too, which is when he talks about people who have different thoughts than him, he then basically says they're cruel and they lack empathy. But, you know, first things first, I always think about this. Do you think Professor God said is a dumb guy? Do you think Dr. Drew is dumb? Do you think Adam Corolla is dumb? Like, what do you think? First off, like we don't know how to think or do you think we just don't like people or we don't like kids or, you know, again, when I'm talking about COVID, is it, I want a change of COVID policy because I dislike black and brown people, even though I live in Los Angeles and pretty much work construction with brown people and play football with black people. My entire life was zero history of any of this. And there's such insane misgagers of everything. But then I don't know how much of it is just a lie. Like, you know, they go, Trump said, inject bleach. There's a videotape. You can watch your videotape. You didn't say inject bleach. Do you think he said that? Right. I mean, I do think that they might think that we are too dumb to be enlightened. But I think that they believe that we are morally corrupt. If we had been enlightened the way they are, then we would understand that to not let in every person who knocks at the door of our borders is simply mean-spirited. Hey, Gatsad, you were let in to Canada when you were escaping Lebanon. So what kind of moral hypocrite and the generate must you be to then rail against open-border immigrations when you are the product of immigration? And to your point, it's baffling that they could truly be this lobotomized because let me draw an analogy. Fy though the house cat is called a feline and the wild lion is called a feline. The fact that they are both called feline doesn't mean that they are indistinguishable in their capacity to eat me for lunch, right? But they're both called feline. So I am an immigrant. Elon Musk is an immigrant. So as Muhammad Jihad who just went away for a summer camp in Waziristan, the fact that all three of us are called immigrants surely does not imply that we are equally likely to assimilate within the American ethos. But according to Fariza Korea, we are morally corrupt. Yes. Ivermectin can be used on horses and it also can be used on millions and millions of human beings. You can't draw that distinction, CNN, you can't, it's impossible for you to understand a brush can be used on a horse but there's also brushes that human beings use. Is that too tough a concept? All right, we'll listen to Farid talk about you. But first, here's my take. I went to see Christopher Nolan's new movie, The Odyssey, comment on the various controversies around the movie from the attacks that it is woke to the historical inaccuracies in it for goodness' sake, it's a nearly 3,000-year-old yarn that is filled with gods and goddesses, one-eyed giants and lots of magic. But Ezra Klein's commentary on the movie did lead me to think about the broader issues the movie raises, which strike me as interesting and important. Klein argues that the critique of Nolan's Odyssey as woke because he casts a black actress to play Helen is trivial and superficial. But that the movie is liberal in a more profound sense. Nolan fundamentally inverts the morality of the ancient world in which conquest and victory was celebrated unabashedly and replaces it with the morality that he's more nuanced. While Homer's Odysseus was constantly lauded for his clever, guileful ways, Nolan's Odysseus is haunted by the ravages of the war and by his own deceit that was at the center of the victory, the Trojan Horse. Beginning with Christianity, the West gradually replaced the pagan ethic of naked conquest and domination with one centered on universal human dignity, compassion and empathy. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth, says the gospel of Matthew, words that no Homeric hero would ever utter. Pre-Christian values are having the revival these days, as the populist right often joined in by a you, cadre of tech billionaires, look back with admiration to an older world in which strength, domination and victory mattered more than empathy or equality. For Donald Trump, winning is all that matters, justifying all means. He uses the word incessantly. In a 60 minutes interview in 2018, when asked about his demeaning comments about Christine Blassey Ford, the woman who accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, Trump said simply, "We won." It doesn't matter. We won. In a best-selling book titled, "Sidel Empathy," God-Sod, one of Elon Musk's favorites on X, argues that the West is declining because it cares too much about too many outsiders, minorities, even its foes. In fact, the greatest moral achievement of the West over the last two millennia, and especially since the Enlightenment, has been the expansion of the circle of people who are considered fully human, having equal dignity and equal rights. All right. It's this weird thing, first off, dignity. I never heard dignity used more often, and it's been used more often in the last ten years than I've heard it in the previous 50. Dignity was something for like old rich people. You didn't need to treat homeless people with dignity because that guy is a junkie and he has a load of poo in his pants, so he doesn't need to be treated with dignity. He needs to be pulled off the street and put in an institution. And people who walk here from Honduras, barefoot, don't need to be treated with dignity either. They need a shelter, they need something to eat, they need vaccinations or medical care. This whole thing where everyone needs to be treated with dignity, the crazy, he, she, trans guy who's tucking his genitalia between his legs and taping it to his rear end so he can wear one piece. I don't need to treat that guy with dignity, I don't need to treat your trans community, I don't need to treat the gay and lesbian community with dignity. I don't treat anyone with dignity. I cannot, I cannot raise a hand to them, I should not be mean to them. But this thing where everyone needs to be treated with dignity, I, it's a mistake I don't know what it came from and there's not enough dignity to go around, okay, and by the way, we need to treat the homeless with dignity, okay, Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom, go ahead. What's stopping you? It's been, it's been a decade, treating them with dignity. Speaking to your earlier point about the people who just try to say nice things, but never actually do anything about it, I talk about in the book about linguistic empathy, right? You don't, I noticed that you said a very triggering thing at him, you said the homeless people, they're unhoused, please use the proper term. Unhoused neighbors. Exactly. And then I also, so that of course, being the satirist that I am, I said it is terribly marginalizing to the rapist community to not treat them with dignity by calling them rapists. They are undocumented love makers or surprise altruistic sperm donors, right? But that satire picks up on the idea that even the most degenerate criminals in society according to the suicidally empathetic deserve to quote, and as you said, be treated with dignity in how you even address what they are, but by the way, this is not my satire. This is an, it's all referenced in my book. Pedophiles should not be called pedophiles according to some progressive academics. They should be referred to as minor attracted individuals, because pedophile is already placing them in an ostracized, marginalized reality, be kind to the pedophiles, Adam. Yeah. Well, now you're getting into interesting territory, which is the twisting of the language. And so it would be a good idea for society to deport illegal aliens. That would be a good idea. Undocumented workers, I don't know if it's a good idea. It seems cruel to deport an undocumented worker. But to a person that's come here to work that may have left his documents at home or in his home country, or maybe they're in this car, that's what an undocumented worker. So you should not deport an undocumented worker, but an undocumented worker is the exact same as illegal alien, which you should deport. So they work very hard at euphemistically twisting the titles of everything. So if you take a homeless guy who I basically call an insane junkie who lives on the street, maybe across from your kid's school, that person needs to be removed from the street. An unhoused neighbor is, well, you know, I live in Malibu, so I got about 5,000 unhoused neighbors in one night. And no, I don't want those people snatched up by the LAPD in putting institutions. No, but that's not what these people are. They use gender affirming care. Oh, you mean mutilating a 13 year old? Because that's what that is. But gender affirming care is what they're going to call it and women who are able to make choices about their own personal health care, whatever. And they also do a thing like they'll go, hobby lobby is denying women birth control or denying women reproductive care. Right. Yeah. Hobby lobby is not providing pills for them to take to sterilize themselves. That's all. They're not denying them anything. This whole thing of like denying, I'm not denying. I don't want snap to pay for Jack in the box and I don't want snap to pay for coax, but I'm not denying anyone any of that stuff. You can go to Jack in the box and go get whatever you want and order a coke with it. I'm just not paying for it. Right. This idea of euphemistically repackaging terms going back to academia comes from Jacques Derrida, who was the founder of deconstructivism, which is a variant of postmodernism. Postmodernism is the grand umbrella that allows for all of this nonsense to happen because it purports that there are no absolute truths. Well deconstructivism basically says that language creates reality. Right. There is no reality that exists outside that which you call that phenomenon. And therefore, if I can get you to reword things, that's why by the way the progressive thought police and language police is always coming up with new variants of terms because they believe that this is one of the most direct ways by which I can brainwash you because language creates reality. Yeah. And I would argue if your ideas are great, why are you constantly renaming them? It doesn't, it suggests to me that maybe there's some difficulties with it. And you know, you can see, I'm curious, I think it was Brandon Gill or something was talking to some alien advocate person or something. And he said, like, should we be paying for, you know, healthcare for legal aliens? And he was like, I think we should pay for healthcare of Californians. Yes. Not Californians, illegal aliens. I don't know what that means. I mean, don't pay for California, I believe if you're an American, you should have, like, it's literally a Monty Python sketch to try to confuse you. It's, it's so transparent, but it's also weird and also, hey, brother, just say what you want. Now, here's the crazy thing. They know what they actually want is not palatable to Americans or any culture, really. It wouldn't fly. So they have to twist it all. But my argument is if you have to twist it all, then maybe it's a bad idea in the first place. Exactly. Let me, let me give you a, I, I hope that I haven't mentioned this story previously on your show. But even if I have, it's worth repeating for those who might have not heard it. In 2002, one of my doctoral students had just defended his doctoral dissertation. So we were going out to dinner, myself, my wife, we didn't have children yet, myself, my wife, the doctoral student. And then he calls me up somewhat nervously to tell me, oh, I'm bringing a date along. I said, yeah, sure, great. He goes, no, but I just want to kind of give you a heads up this graduate student that I'm bringing along. He's a graduate student in cultural anthropology, women's studies, and postmodernism. I said, ah, okay. So the Holy Trinity of Bullshit. So then we, I said, okay, I got you, I got you. You don't want me to, you know, this is your night. We're celebrating your PhD. I'm going to be on my best behavior. Are you familiar with the story? I know. I'm familiar. Okay, good. So don't worry about it. I'm going to be on my best behavior, which, of course, Adam was a complete lot because about halfway through the evening, I turned to this lady and she said, oh, I hear you're a postmodernist. She says, yes. I said, there are no universal truths other than the one universal truth that there are no universal truth. She goes, yes, there are no. I said, well, I'm an evolutionary psychologist. So I do think that they are human universals. Can I throw what I think is a universal and we can discuss it? She'll go, yeah, sure, go ahead. This is 2002, this is 24 years ago. So well before the transgender craze. I said, is it not true that within homo sapiens only women bear children? So she looks at me in this belief that a professor could be such a simpleton and she said, no, it's not true. I said, it's not true that only women bear children? How's that? She goes well because there is some Japanese tribe of some Japanese island where within their folkloric mythological realm, it is the men who bear children. So by you restricting it to the biological realm, that's how you keep us barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. So after I recovered from the mini stroke I had at hearing such stupidity, I said, okay, and here I'm gonna come to the repackaging of words and labels. I said, okay, well, maybe it was too contentious for me to give such a controversial example such as only women bear children. So let me give you another one. Is it not true since time immemorial that sailors have relied on the following cosmological reality? The sun rises in the east and sets in the west. So now she used deconstructivism. She said, what do you mean by east and west? And what do you mean by the sun? That which you call the sun, I might refer to as the dancing hyena. I said, fine, the dancing hyena rises in the east and sets in the west. I'm not, and she said, I'm not gonna play those labeling games. Well, if I couldn't get a graduate student at arguably the top university in Canada to agree that there is such a thing as east and west, that there is such a thing as the sun, that there is such a thing in a sexually reproducing species that sexually dimorphic, that women bear children, you shouldn't be surprised where we are today, Adam. It's one big mind, F. - Yeah, no, I agree. And I think a lot of it is starting with the, a man can be a woman or woman can be a man or gender assigned at birth, another crazy euphemistic, gender assigned at birth. Okay, and once you do that, then everything is on the table. I can argue for any subject because if you can confuse people or start a large debates, we're seeing is going on with the WNBA right now as to what is a man, then there really is no greater or more basic example of if we can't agree on this truth, then everything is on the table and we can argue over anything. And I think that's a lot of what they're doing because what they're doing is floating insane ideas that don't sound nearly as insane as this idea. Defunding the police and abolishing the prisons and opening the borders don't sound as crazy as what is a man and what is a woman. Morgan and Morgan, well, one time one of my buddies had an accident and I kept telling him, hiring a attorney, help you recoup, get compensated and he didn't and the cost piled up and he couldn't work for a while. And that's why there's Morgan and Morgan. I encourage people to go to Morgan and Morgan. They're America's largest injury law firm that have over 100 offices nationwide and more than 1,000 lawyers with over 30 billion dollars recovered for over 500,000 clients. Morgan and Morgan has a proven track record of fighting to get you full and fair compensation. If you're injured by the negligence of another, you deserve to be paid. And that's when you call Morgan and Morgan am I right Dawson? 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It's Home Chef, right, Dawson? For a limited time, Home Chef is offering our listeners 50% off and free shipping for your first box plus free dessert for life. Go to HomeChef.com/atom. That's HomeChef.com/atom for 50% off your first box and free dessert for life. Home Chef.com/atom must be an active subscriber to receive free dessert. I'm so glad that you said it in the way that you did because I've made that exact argument when I said, "Look, you have a sexually dimorphic." Sexually dimorphic just means that there are innate differences between men and women. You have a sexually dimorphic, sexually reproducing species with two known phenotypes, male and female. That doesn't mean that intersects people don't exist, but the default phenotypes are male and female until 15 minutes ago, the 117 billion people who had lived on earth, that's an actual real estimate. 117 billion people, since we timestamped Homo sapiens, seemed to be completely able to navigate through the very difficult conundrum of knowing what male or female is. You and I are sitting here because our ancestors didn't sort of wildly guess with whom they should mate. But 15 minutes ago, when I signed up in a progressive medicine class at Oberlin College, I lost that ability. Once you can convince me exactly as you said, that that is open for debate, which is the most fundamental marker of reality, everything is up for debate to your point. - I remember going back to doing my radio show with Dr. Drew Loveline in the '90s, the mid or later '90s, and this started. They'd start saying, I would say to someone, "Oh, so you're a victim of rape?" And they'd say, "Rape survivor." And I'd say, "Oh, what's the difference between a victim of rape and a rape survivor?" And they'd just go, "It's rape survivor." I'd go, "Okay." And then later on, I'd say, "Oh, are you deaf?" And they'd say, "Hearing impaired." And I'd say, "Well, that's not the same thing." And they'd go, "It's hearing impaired." And I'd say, "Well, you can have a problem with your eyes, but you can drive a car during the daylight hours, but you can't drive at night." That's seeing impaired, but that's not blind. And I started saying to Dr. Drew, I don't get what we're doing. Why are we twisting the language? By the way, hearing impaired is way too open for interpretation. I don't know if you're deaf in one ear. I don't know if you have a speech impediment. I do know what deaf is. And it was sort of started in the later '90s. It kind of slowly moved. And then somewhere around 2015 or '17, just sort of caught fire. And we just went, we went nuts with it. - Because, so this is where the grand narrative of two of my books go together. In the parasitic mind, which came out in 2020, I was explaining what happens to your cognitive system, your thought processes, once they are hijacked by these parasitic ideas. But for me to fully own your capacity to think, I also have to hijack your affective system, your emotional system, and that's when suicidal empathy comes in. So if I can hijack your capacity to think and to feel, then I own you. Now, let me give a concrete example of how a parasitic idea leads to suicidal empathy. And why, sort of in 2015, you saw an uptake in all the nonsense. These parasitic ideas took about 50 to 100 years to be spawned on university campuses, depending on the parasitic idea. So let's take one specific parasitic idea. Cultural relativism. Who are you to judge the cultural practices and beliefs of another culture? If another culture wants to cut off the clitorises of five-year-old girls, shut up racist. Well, if I internalize that parasitic idea, it then renders me impotent to make judgments about whom should be allowed into my country, right? Because if I don't have the right, if I am impotent to make an argument that people who hold these beliefs are less likely to assimilate within the Western tradition, well, then of course, all people are equal and should be led in. So that internalization of that parasitic idea is what then allows me to swim in the infinity pool of suicidal empathy. One leads to the other. Yes, and I do feel like, just like we can't define a woman or a man, these are all a sort of killing of the soil, then there's going to be a planting of the seed, and then there's going to be a lot of fertilizer, but there's going to be a harvest at some point. And a lot of it, it's sort of like pronouns. I've realized pronouns were that way, just to sort of throw you off, you know, where we had to sort of stop and go, oh, sorry, what a way to get you off balance. It's kind of interesting. My grandmother, who was very progressive, did a thing. It was sort of early pronoun. When you had a debate or an argument with her, at some point inevitably she'd tell you your mispronouncing a word or mispronouncing the name, or doing something, and that would always make you go, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Wait, how does it go? It's sort of like pronouns, like you're having to debate with someone and you go, I don't care what she thinks. No, sir, it's not she's a they them, what? They them? Oh, I'm sorry. Am I not pronouncing your name right? They give a crazy name. And it's there to sort of knock you back on your heels a little to get you off and the constant correcting, the constant correcting, and the problem is is we never really get to the argument or the debate, which I'm 100% right on because you're constantly correcting me. Oh, and you're offended in the middle of this as well. And now you're acting out and it's a way to you'll never win the debate. You can tie the debate by getting emotional and constantly correcting. Right. Well, a champion of this type of strategy was the former Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau. You might remember when he corrected a person who said the mankind, he said, no, I'm sorry, it's people kind. Right. And then when he was referring to economic recovery, he said we should use the word she covering. And instead of recession, it should be she session because you have to be centering the female energy into all of our language because hashtag the future is female. So it's exactly part and parcel of that same, the generosity, linguistic empathy. So it's out of empathy. It's unbelievable. I can't believe that we have to spend so much time and effort. Although I'm I guess I'm grateful because I get to write all of these great best-selling books, but I can't believe that we have sunk to such a level that we are debating the things that we are today. It's unbelievable. Well, we don't even really get to the debate because we you're accused of treating the unhoused cruelly. And then at some point, I think it was a big mistake that a lot of people who think like we do did for a good long decade. Plus, it's my I have a lot of black friends argument, which is, you know, some you're saying, look, the black family is in trouble, 70% of people, you know, born out of wedlock, 70% of the kids, they're in crime. And then at some point, they call you a racist. And then you go, no, no. I just saw David Allen Greer last weekend. He loves me. You know, I should you really just go shut up racist, moving on. You know, but we did a lot of I have a lot of black friends, you know, because you're called homophobic. You know, how many guys had to say, no, listen, I have a daughter. I care about her deeply. I have to explain that you like your daughter and that you don't want to hurt her. That was a that was a fool's errand. And now the JD vances, the trumps and all the rest have just started like Stephen Miller. That's the only argument that they have is shut up, moving forward. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't like my daughter. Anyway, answer the question. Like it didn't work. It bought them about a decade, maybe, maybe more. Like I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton because I'm a misogynist. All right. I didn't vote for Kamala Harris because I hate women of color or whatever. And then I have to go, no, no, I like my mom. And I lie, lie, lie, like women of color. You know, like it was dumb, but it worked. Yeah. Well, that this what you're talking about really refers about when you misapply either the cognitive system and situations where you should be applying the affective system or vice versa. And let me explain what I mean here. Let's suppose you're an advertiser and you want to sell a mutual fund. Then there I have to invoke your cognitive system. Here are the seven reasons why you should purchase my mutual fund. On the other hand, if I'm trying to sell you a hedonic product, a perfume, I don't want to invoke your cognitive system. I want to invoke your emotional system, right? I show you a beautiful girl writing a horse with her hair flowing and then I give you some French sounding, you know, name, misstep, right? Because so advertisers know this. So it's not that we are a thinking or a feeling animal. The challenge is to know when to invoke the right system and the right time. So what those people are doing that you're talking about, they are trying to make you fall into the trap of emotional debates when you could be just discussing the cold heart fat. I don't need to justify why I love women to explain why Kamala Harris was a degenerate, lobotomized, imbecile. I will just use the facts for themselves. She can't put two words together. She has the intelligence of a lobotomized squirrel. It ends there. Her lady parts have absolutely nothing to do with why I look at her with complete repulsion. And so I don't fall into the trap of having my emotions hijacked. And that's why, by the way, I implore people to activate their inner honey badger. In the last chapter of the parasitic mind, I use that term. Now, why do I use the honey badger? Because the honey badger has been ranked. This is an actual ranking by zoologist as the most ferocious fiercest animal in the animal kingdom. Now, that's saying a lot because there are a lot of fierce animals in the animal kingdom. It's the size of a small dog. But when it struts in the African savanna and there are a bunch of male lions passing by, they cross to the other side of the street and they say, sorry boss, we didn't mean to interrupt you. Why? Because that honey badger walks tall. So when I tell people to activate your inner honey badger, I'm not imploring them to be physically violent. But I'm saying, stand tall in defending your principles. If your professor says, of course, men can menstruate. Put up your hand and say, could you explain that to me, professor, using simple words? Don't walk away from opportunities to debate people because that's how the monster of bullshit will eat us all. I agree. And they never reverse engineer their hypotheses, which is they go, well, I don't like Kamala Harris because she's a woman of color or I don't like Mayor Karen Bass because she's a woman of color. But I think Gavin Newsom is a retarded sociopath and he's the same height as me. We're both heterosexual males. I should love, according to your logic, I should hate Karen Bass, but I should love Gavin Newsom because we're both six foot two heterosexuals. No, I hate him probably more. So that's my white privilege. But I wanted, I was driving in today and I was really thinking about wanting to get your take on this because Dr. Drew and I've been talking about it a lot. And usually my relationship with Drew is we speak often. And I float thoughts and he now comes to me as a sort of sous-sayer of a bellweather. He goes, what's happening next? Where are we going now? What's the next trend going to be? Because I've been with him for 30 years and I, things come to fruition that I talk about or warn about early on. So I've been talking about gynefascism for a while and everyone's sort of stepping back and going, what is going on? How did all this get ushered in so quickly? What is happening? And I'll first say that there are always examples on both sides. There's Margaret Thatcher and Megan Kelly. And I like the way they think and I do not think that they think in a feminine way. But there are lots, but women think differently than men. And they're also more empathetic and could lead to suicidal empathy. And so if you take more women and you put them in positions of power, you make them mayors and governors and Angela Merkel and things of world leaders. And also I saw a study today that said testosterone is down 50% in men since 1972. So lots of women and lots of positions of power and then lots of men that are essentially becoming women that are not going to stand up. Look at the way they cross their legs. Look at the way new some crosses his legs. Look, Look at the way Obama crosses his legs, you can't have testicles and cross your legs. That's steeply. So lots of women in lots of positions of power like LA City Council's majority women, where you find ideas like defund the police and sanctuary city. Those will be in a more feminine thinking and and just outnumbered in terms of the mayor, maybe female in the city council and so and so forth. So testosterone decreases, femininity, women thinking go up and then people say, well, that's misogynistic. And I say, no, they think differently than men and you're going to get a different outcome. If 40 years ago, there were only two female mayors in a in a major city or maybe 25 years ago was two or something. And now it's 19, you know, and there are only one female governor in the last 25 years. And now there's 52 or 41 or some whatever, whatever it is. I mean, you know, 30, 20. The point is is it would change. It would change anything. It would change the NFL if there was zero female head coaches. And now there's 40% female head coaches. It would change next. Right. So let me give you two, rejoin us to what you just said. Number one, let's apply what you just said to academia. Academia has gone through a huge tsunami of feminization. Now that doesn't mean, and I hate that I even have to preface what I'm allowed to say, that doesn't mean that women don't have the capacity to be as successful as academics as men. But there are different value systems that differentially animate men and women. So for example, the university should be about the epistemology of truth. We seek truth. We defend truth. We protect truth. That's what the university exists. Now that needs to be contrasted with what has now become the dominant epistemology, which is the epistemology of care. So that means that let's suppose I want to do research on racial differences and criminality. Now if I am adhering to an epistemology of truth, then I would say that's perfectly fair game. If I apply the scientific method to that research question, then let the results be what the results be. But if I adhere to an epistemology of care, then I would say, no, no, hold on a second. I shouldn't do that research because if that research comes out God forbid in a way that further marginalizes already marginalized groups, then that should be part of forbidden knowledge. Don't do that research. Now that tilt from the epistemology of truth to the epistemology of care very much coincided with the greater introduction of women into academia. So that's point one point two to your point about testosterone, and this is going to blow your mind. So I've talked about this is not my research, but other other brilliant political scientists who are very much evolutionary minded. It turns out Adam that if you look within men alone, never mind about differences between men and women, but within men alone, I can predict your socio-political economic positions based on your physical form of ability. Meaning, and of course that correlates with testosterone, meaning that if you take men and you put them through a task where you measure their physical strength, their physical form of ability, and there are different ways to do so. And then you ask them questions that are either about, for example, economic egalitarianism or not, about military intervention or not. Well, it turns out that my physical stature is correlated to my socio-political economic orientation. So that again speaks to your point. Now once you castrate men, once it becomes a virtue for the Western man to be an effeminate, castrated, lobotomized moron, then it is not surprising that you end up with the Barack Obama's Justin Trudeau's, Macron, Gavin Newsom, because that becomes the new model of masculinity, contra-toxic masculinity. It's horrible. Yeah, I agree. And you know, I'm just saying to people, if you're going to change things this dramatically and you're exactly right, it's what's going on on college campuses, you are going to get a different outcome. And you can argue over the outcome, and I think the outcome is bad. I've seen what the outcome is, it's bad, but it's going to be different. And I don't know why it wouldn't be different. You know, you take something like COVID. I had a completely different approach to COVID than my wife did. And I was there to balance things out. If you'd gotten rid of me, it would have been a completely different outcome at our house. And you can go better, worse, I'll just say it would be different, because the way I approach things was much different than the way she approached things. Or also, if it was up to me, if you say, look, most 10-year-old boys want a motorcycle, a little dirt bike, or something like that, Honda XR 75, or something like that, little bike, dirt bike. Most dads would say, I think we should give them the dirt bike. I'll take them out riding. We'll get them a helmet and some elbow pads where we're going to go riding. Most of the moms would say, no, I'm scared. He's going to fall off the motorcycle and hurt himself, right? So what ones better than the next? Well, they offer balance. And that's why heterosexual couples make the best parenting because you have the sort of checks and bounces. And hopefully what you end up with is the guy gets the motorbike, but he has to ride it on a trail. He can't ride it on the street. And he has to always have his helmet and his equipment on and the dad rides with him and instruction properly. And at some point, he's still going to fall off, but he was wearing elbow pads and he'll be all right. It's a balance. I am saying that in cities like LA, the balance is off. And we're paying the price. We have a governor who's just basically a check. And I don't know that he's more cheeky than Trudeau. Trudeau is essentially just, you know, him and Katie Perry are essentially a lesbian couple. Okay. That's the same thing. That's what I would say about him and Trudeau. But we have, you know, Karen Bass and Nithia ramen and the city council. And our balance is off. And we are so into safety now that we're destroying our city and our economy. And by the way, the safety isn't really safety. You did a bunch of stuff in the name of COVID that was from the point of view of safety and destroyed a lot of lives. 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So there are many studies now that have looked at the political orientation of professors as a function of the disciplines that they're in, right? And now before I give the actual statistical numbers, I want your audience to understand how powerful these results are. In an experimental study, if you say that something has an odds ratio of 1.2, let's say I give half the people I give them a placebo, a sugar pill, the other half, I give them the actual drug and there is a ratio of 1.2 to 1. That means that there's 20% more effectiveness in the experimental group, 1 to 1.2. Okay, so remember those numbers. In academia, the law sidedness, so contrary to your balance idea, the law sidedness between Democrats and Republicans across disciplines, well, across all disciplines, it's about 5 to 1, so it's not 1 to 1.2, it's 1 to 5, 1 to 8, but that's across all of academia, but in political science and in sociology and in communication studies and so on, it's 120 to 1. So it's numbers that you've never seen in a scientific meaning that you are more likely to run into a unicorn with like a horse with wings, then you are likely to run into a professor who is a Republican in a sociology or psychology department. Now, why is that a problem? Many things in science, your political orientation doesn't matter, how your neurons fire in your brain is how your neuron fire, whether I'm a leftist neuroscientist or a conservative neuroscientist doesn't matter, but for many topics that we're teaching our students, is the death penalty moral or not? What should be the optimal fiscal policy? What should be the immigration policy? Well, they are good arguments on both sides of the aisle, but if to your point about parental balance, but if all of our professors are astoundingly of one vision, you end up literally cheating your children and brainwashing them, and that's what I've been doing for 32 years, more people are listening to it, but not enough. Yeah, and I also feel that women are acting out much more and seem unhinged for lack of a better term. I'm seeing them fighting and screaming and putting hands on each other every time I turn on the internet, there's a fight and it's with women. I'm less with men. You know, you and I are the same age. When we grew up, there was no such thing as women fighting. You didn't see it anywhere. It literally didn't exist. Then now they seem to be fighting more than men. The politicians are screaming at people and seem sort of unhinged. I wonder, and some of us talk to true about, we used to have a lot of rules for ladies, like we had terms, like that's not very lady-like, it'd not be very lady-like, and you know, the men are going to sit over here and drink a brandy in front of the fire and you ladies, you go over there and do something else. We're going to just, this is a discussion for the men to have. I even think about the corset. The corset was that whale bone girdle that they pull on the back and said that you could barely talk. You couldn't talk with that thing on. You could barely breathe. Then I thought, I wonder if somebody did that on purpose, because now I feel like women have been in bold and encouraged and actually men have been told they're toxic and their masculinity is toxic. No more rough and tumble play, quiet, let the women talk. And by the way, women, you can say whatever you want is loud as you want, and the louder you say it, the bigger the fan we are of you, and we will repay you for being loud and bold. And they seem to have taken that and run with it. Well, that's the parasitic idea of radical feminism, right? And so let me explain the difference between equity, feminism and radical feminism, is simply the idea that men and women should be treated equally under the law. There should be no institutional discrimination against one sex or the other. Based on that definition, then I'm sure that both you and I would put our hands up, say, okay, sign me up, I'm an equity feminist. Radical feminists then come along and say, it's not enough for us to achieve parity under the legal framework. In order for us to truly squash the patriarchal sexist status quo, we have to promulgate the idea that men and women are indistinguishable from each other. Well, once I internalize that message, that's what then allows me to have these fights between girls because there was a time when we realized that there are certain masculine traits that women desire in men. And there are certain feminine traits that men desire in women. And that's how nature endowed us with these sex differences. Once we try to erase these, that's how you end up with the kind of tragedies that we have. And let me give a concrete example of that. When women were sold to take out your bras and burn them, if men can have meaningless one-night stance, so should you ladies. Well, many women internalize that message and went out and had meaningless one-night stance and didn't get children and went up the corporate ladder. But then 20, 25 years later, they were existentially unhappy. In my previous book, Prior to Societal Empathy, I talk about the longitudinal data on happiness. And I show that while men's scores on happiness has not changed much over the past 40 years, that of women has precipitously plummeted. Well, because you are asking them to internalize a message that is contrary to their most fundamental sex-specific interests, it's not difficult to imagine why they are unhappy. Yes, you are attempting to get them to do something they weren't made to do and then convincing them if they weren't happy with the outcome, it's sort of because they weren't doing enough of it. They weren't making enough money or had enough random sex with random dudes. So, in a way that radical feminism is perpetrating a cruelty almost on so many women, I do, I am curious how you think it's going to play out and I'll preface it by saying that when Dr. Drew says to me, "How is this going to play out?" I mean, how can we keep going down these paths? With you, you can't define what a man or a woman is, you want to tax everyone who works to death, you want to, a unsustainable living wage, which I call a minimum wage, but all the things you want are not sustainable. How are we going to coalesce? How are we going to live together? And I keep saying to Drew, I think we're going to break off into safe spaces in octagons and Florida and Texas and Nashville or Tennessee, they'll be in octagon. We'll move like a corporation. We'll just go, it's not hospitable for me to run my corporation in California. I'm going to move to Texas. But people will do that individually. I don't want to live with all the homeless people. I'm tired of being taxed. They're teaching my kids things at school. I don't want them to learn. I don't want drag queen story hour. I'm moving to Florida and then we'll have safe spaces and we'll have octagons and the safe spaces will be filled with drag queens where no one's illegal and there'll be sanctuary cities and everyone illegal or not is going to get health care and it'll implode. It'll collapse on itself. I mean, even if what you're saying were to happen, those people who have broken off and are doing twerking drag queen hour will eventually want to come to Tennessee at the Florida. So I think the problem is a bit more pervasive, right? You can't sort of localize it and say here's the line you stay on this side, I'll stay on this side. So let me jump in real quick. All the people that were pushing COVID lockdowns during COVID went to Florida so they could enjoy the freedom of having a cocktail at a restaurant. Exactly. So the more broader question that I would answer to what you said, hey, when you talk to Drew, what do you think is the final trajectory of the strain? So I have good news and bad news, okay? So here is the first, the good news. There is a set of auto corrective procedures that the West and general and the United States in particular could implement to write this ship. So this is already pretty good news because if God forbid you were to go to see your physician and he or she says you've got this type of cancer, there are absolutely no approaches that we can take. You've got four weeks to live, get your life in order. That's the worst case scenario. We're not there. There are procedures that we could implement. We could close the border and deport all people who hold seditious beliefs. Here's the bad news. I see zero evidence Drew that the West has the testicular fortitude to implement even one millimeter of those auto corrective procedures. Now different countries are at different point in their suicidal empathy journey. So Canada, Sweden, Britain are stage five suicidal empathy. The United States is stage two, but keep doing the same things that you're doing and you will catch up to my adopted land of Canada. You will also be at stage five. And so on the one hand, I'm optimistic in that there's still template for us to work with. On the other hand, I think most people are going, "Lalala, I don't want to hear it," and they're saying the course. Yeah. I've always said in terms of importing this, and I know you're talking about this a lot. Cultures sort of do what they do. It's what cultures do. There's a music version. There's a religion version. There's food. They like the food. That's a cultural thing. I always say if you take beavers and you put them on the roof of the Empire State Building, they're going to start looking for wood because they build dams. Then you would look at them and go, "But that's so foolish." We're 120 floors above Manhattan. They'd go, "They're doing what they do." That's what they do. You have to judge, "Well, what about the culture? What do they do?" Japanese are different than Muslim cultures. Let's look at their society. Let's look at the Muslim society. Let's look at the African society. Let's look at a Norwegian society. Then the first thing you have to do, like you alluded to earlier, is you have to judge. You have to go, "Well, I don't know, clitorectamies. I don't think that's a good thing." Not spitting your gum on the sidewalk. All right, that is good. I like that. I like a culture that doesn't spit their gum on the sidewalk versus clitorectamies or burning a woman with acid because she's reading or whatever it is. First things first, we have to decide. There is a difference between a termite and a butterfly. And you can go, "They're insects. They're God's creatures." Yeah, I get it. How many of them do you want in your home? Like, what do you want? Do you want a hummingbird? Do you want a pitbull? Or what have you? You have to decide and you have to judge. And it doesn't even mean you think termites are necessarily bad. It's just how does that change things if you bring enough of them into your home? And then you have to do that with all cultures. I live in Los Angeles. Our culture is Mexico. We are now Mexico. Los Angeles is Mexico because we brought in so many. They're doing what they do. They're selling food on the street. And that is their culture. If you had said what you just said on Pierce Morgan's show because I've been on his show many times, here is his conclusion. Adam Corolla, are you saying that Muslims are insects and termites? You are an Islamophobes. So this is the impenetrability of the people who live in gated communities to our first point that we talked about while they stroke their hair in the mirror of moral preening. I don't know. Do you have a solution for how we can get to them? Adam, I try to do it through my lectures and my books, but it seems that those who don't want to hear the message are simply not going to hear it. Well, they'll say Pierce Morgan, all these guys, they do this all time. They'll say, so you're saying all Muslims are terrorists and they always do that. They always do the all, whatever it is, you know, all black men are criminals. All Muslims are, look, no, it takes a few percentage points to really upset the balance. You know, if, you know, we have, I don't know what percentage of Americans are murders who would take another person's life. Well, it's under 1%. But if it got to 4%, it would be a lot of death. And then you would say to me, so you say, all Americans are murders? I go, no, no, it's a percentage problem that we're having issues with. And if those percentage goes up just the little, that's enough. And so you go, you know, they always go, oh, there's 1.5 billion Muslims, you know, you know, how many terrorists? It's enough. It's enough to make a change and it's enough to hurt a society. Look, how many people travel through an American airport on any given weekday on any given month? Millions, millions, millions of people are taking their shoes off, taking their belts off, going through X-ray machines, being padded down. I've been pulled out of lines 100 times. They're rubbing me for bomb residue. Okay, how many people are passing those airports are terrorists? None. But it's enough to disrupt us to the point where I have to get to the airport now and half early. It's enough. Exactly. This is why I always repeat the very apt maxim of demography is destiny. Nothing is more dangerous to a society than if the demographic reality's tilt. So to your point, if you take, for example, Islamic immigration, there's a wonderful analysis by a gentleman by name of Peter Hammond, where he looked at what happens to a society as a function of the percentage of Muslims that are in that society. So I might get some of the numbers wrong, so forgive me, but zero to two percent. Oh, they're just a, you know, an exotic minority. They just wear their headscarf differently from you. Don't worry about them. They're peaceful and quiet. Three to five percent, they're a bit more forceful in their political interventions and their political ambitions. Six to 10 percent, we start creating no-go sharia zones. Don't bring your dog in here. This is an Islamic. This is Dearborn. This is Patterson, New Jersey. This is some areas in Minnesota. So it is a gradual process. And then eventually one day you close your eyes and you wake up, you open your eyes and you don't recognize the place that you're in. So it's not as though the United States has to worry that next Monday we're going to wake up and we're all going to be under sharia law, but maintain the same patterns and give it enough time to flourish and you will have that reality. We have 1400 years of history that says that this is an unassailable trajectory and you've been forewarned. So stop sleeping and do something about it. I agree. I mean, you know, there are parts of France and parts of Germany, parts of UK, Europe. Well, we're just where they were in 2007 or 2003. So let's just look at it. It's sort of like your cancer diagnosis. No, we're not fifth stage, but a little chemo would be recommended at this point. And yeah, I always say that too. I say it about, is it saved about California all the time? I'd go, when are we going to go a different direction politically in this state? How far has it got to go? And everyone to go, we haven't bottomed out yet. And I'd go, why do we have to bottom out? I don't get it. So we just have to bottom out and destroy everything. And then we can start changing direction. It's like saying, you know, I'm going to drive to, I'm going to drive to Oregon from California. And then I go after an hour, I go, I think we're going towards San Diego. Let's turn around and someone goes, we haven't gotten to Tijuana yet. I go, I know, but why not now? I know now we're going, I can see we're going the wrong direction. Turn around now. The reason for this bottom out story that you're saying, it really comes from, I think, a frailty of the architecture of human mind, which is most people don't wish to believe that the monster exists until the monster bites them in the ass. I need that immediate evidence before I actually, it actually compels me to act. So I'll give you a concrete example that really pisses me off. When some of us were standing on top of the mountain, screaming that there is massive Jew hatred and anti-Semitism on both American and university campuses, most of my high profile Jewish billionaire friends were yawning an apathy. But when that Jew hatred came to their alma mater and affected their child who couldn't go and walk on campus because of free, free Palestine, that's when they woke up out of their stupor. But that's the problem, right? People are too busy with their daily lives. I've got to pick up my daughter. I've got to pick up my wife from the day I've got. So let somebody else worry about the problem. But then when it bites me, that's when I wake up. Unfortunately, it'd be too late. The idea that we are re-entering a sort of having a renaissance of Jew hatred in America and in the West in general is sort of unthinkable. It's also bizarre. But in a weird way, it's like socialism. Like, oh, we're going to revisit this thing that we already visited and it's always an unmitigated disaster. But at some point, a few years will go by and we'll just see about doing it again. And boy, be nice if we learn some lessons here. But in a weird way, it's not so different than socialism and communism. Exactly. I mean, I don't know if you saw, we say there was a brilliant take one of these ex-posts where somebody took a clip of Bernie Sanders, the ultimate parasite in American politics, where he's literally says the exact same thing in the 70s, 80s, 90s all the way to now, right? And to your point, it's because he's got the exact blueprint of how to properly implement true communism and true socialism. His one two punch between him and AOC will truly usher the ultimate socialist revolution. All of those other cases have been faulty applications of socialism. Once Bernie gets power, he will really deal with those bastards like Elon Musk, who make too much money, and he will redistribute the money in an empathetic way. Yeah, I think the clip you're talking about is him talking about the oligarchy, exactly, which is right around the corner. The oligarchy, along with raising, you know, sea levels and temperatures and icebergs melting and polar caps, you could literally do a loop that was 70 years long of the same people warning us about the same thing. His oligarchy is really the same as Al Gore with climate change. Just two old idiots talking about something that never happens and it's never going to happen. God, let me give you a plug, suicidal empathy, dying to be kind. It does warm my heart that books like yours are doing as well as they are. It's out as we speak and the podcast, the sad truth with Dr. Sad is, well, you can find it wherever you find a podcast, I should say. It's always great to speak to you, my friend, and we should do it more often. I look forward to it. Thank you so much, Adam. Thank you. We'll take a quick break. We'll be back with Alicia Kraus in the news right after this. Simply safe. Simply safe, it's celebrating their 20 year anniversary, you know, 20 years ago. 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Stop by O'Reilly Auto Parts today or visit us at O'ReillyAuto.com/AdamThat's O'ReillyAuto.com/Adam It's time to check Adam's voicemail. Hey, man. So hey, do you still paint your wallet orange? And we're still using your fecal roller in some fashion to get it on. You can leave us a message at 888-634-1744. Yeah, I used to paint my, well I had my assistant paint my wallet orange. You wouldn't even do it, you'd have the assistant do it? Yeah, I'm too busy for that. But I do remember very clearly because I said paint my wallet orange and I'm a big fan of making things different colors. You can find them. You have like a black wallet and it falls out of your pocket and it falls under the car seat and the carpet's black and the seats black and stuff gets misplaced. You know, like the back of an uber black interior. If you have a black wallet or a black piece of luggage or some black, you can leave it behind. Very, they're driving you to the airport. It's five in the morning. You have a black backpack. It's sitting next to you. It's dark outside. Get a yellow, get a yellow backpack and find it or know it's there. Do you have what colors your iPhone case? It's a very gay turquoise blue. Oh, we were matching for a while. I just got a new one. It's a weird gay blue. People look at it and go, what would you choose? Because it doesn't look like anyone else's case. That's why. Okay. But anyway, I told my assistant to paint my wallet. Red, but you know what he did? He painted red, but he put a yellow racing stripe with it. Like it was the hood of a hot rod car or something. It's like lighting McQueen or is he lighting McQueen? Yeah, it's yellow and red. And I said, he goes, what do you think boss? I was like, well, that took you half hour extra to do it. I do hope he built you hourly for that. That's a very Hollywood deal. If you have an assistant, you're billed hourly. This is the thing that no one really understands about people you pay. My sister used to go, could you have a couple of guys come by my house and do whatever I go? Yeah, I could, but you know, you do. I pay them. Sometimes it'll be like, have your assistant pick you up at Burbank, it will hold on an Uber's 14 bucks. She's getting 35 bucks an hour. Why I'm paying more, they're getting paid. Like whenever someone fucks up an order, does anything and they go, she's just going to have to get back on the phone with them and then be on hold. It's like, well, they fucked up the order, but they're going to replace the order. So it's not going to cost you anything. And it's like, yeah, she was on the phone for two hours. Yep. That cost me time is money. That's how it works. You're paying somebody. Actually, I take that back. Maybe the real diva move would be to call like Dior and ask them for a custom orange or red wallet that you don't lose. Yes. But do that with everything. Everyone should just gotten duct tape. You should have made a duct tape wallet. I've, I made a duct tape prom dress for myself many years ago. All right. I got you purses. We don't have that much time. Okay. I'm going to get, if I get going on this RFK chef girl thing, I'm going to go ballistic. So I'm going to let you do your news. All right. We're moving on to the news tomorrow. Okay. Dokey. So Spencer Pratt is still in the news. The guy keeps going. I mean, he's going to have a lot of miles now. He keeps going back and forth to DC. I mean, he's talking to the justice department. He's talking to other politicians and people on the hill there to try to make things better. I think for California and Los Angeles. So this time, you're going to love this. He called out toxic femininity. Oh, kind of fascism. Let's do it. He didn't use those exact. That's what I use. We all know. So Spencer Pratt in this tweet. I still say tweet. Sorry. I know it's X quote, when you see the invasion of Spain, remember recently when people were going into that like northern tip of Africa that's actually owns, you see a woke woman gleefully waving the invaders in. Is this what the matriarchy looks like? Yeah. Well, there's I just talked about suicidal empathy. There's a there's a empathy that women have that is more than men. And so you would invite people, you know, we're a sanctuary city where no one's illegal. Yeah. Okay. But at some point, you're going to have criminals and they're going to be legal and they're going to be here. And I know you thought you were doing the right thing, but it's an empathetic gene that women possess more than men. But I would argue that you would be you in Spencer right. But actually, I think that you and Spencer are wrong because for a very long time, these have been left-leaning policies and left-leaning ideas. And it has been men that have been in charge of leftism for the past 100 years. Well, if women were if it was all Nancy Pelosi's and all Margaret Sangers and all no one says all no one says all stop saying all you drive me fucking nuts. All right, I said women have a gene that is more empathetic. Yes. But you can also be a woman that is empathetic that isn't a crazy liberal. And so I'm saying that I think what he is referring to this dangerous empathy that is risking people's like natural national security and like self-individualism and defense. is actually the majorarchy, it's radical leftism. - Well, it is, but there's more women attracted to that than there are men. - But there are men at the head of it. - Well, some, there's some, there's some, there's some. Yes. Black men would be better served staying home and raising their kids and there wouldn't be as much crime in the black community. And then you jump in and you say you know a black kid who had a single mom and he said Harvard. Then I go, okay. - And a total. - No, it's just, it's impactful. It makes a difference. That's what I'm saying. It adds up. Yes, there are more, this is women think differently than men and they have an empathetic gene and they would be more welcoming to possible strangers that might do harm to us because there may be down the stream sort of effects that we won't, we're not weighing in right now. But then there's Megan Talley and you and Margaret Thatcher. - And for the latter comparison, thank you. - Many, many other women who do not think like Gavin Newsom thinks, I almost have to carve it out. - Here's another gal though that is all, he's, she's up there with Newsom. If not worse, former First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. - Yeah. - You hear about this? - Yeah, I think she was talking about, I think she was talking about showing drug. - Yes. - Yeah. - Still to this day. You don't have a gut instinct on what was that moment? - No, I mean, there's all kinds of, there is, you know, he had been traveling. I know he was tired. He didn't feel well that day when I saw him. But there was nothing definitive that I could point to him. - All right, can you pause for a second? - He'd been traveling, it was, - You travel every weekend. - I know, I was on, I just got back. But the whole point is, he was traveling, I think it was like 11 days or something before that. - Wasn't some vacation too? - It felt like a lot of vacation. Okay, Air Force One has a bedroom. You just go to bed. I'm sitting in coach with my niece, magic. - Traveling Air Force One doesn't count, number one. Number two, if, let's just, all right, let's use your argument that all this idiots on the left would argue, they go, he was traveling. Okay. We cannot have a president who's not capable of traveling and then have forming thoughts for the next two weeks. - I almost feel like, I don't know if I, how I feel about people have made this argument that you should have a driver's license age cut off. - Yes. - Or there should be a politician age cut off. I don't know that it's like an actual age cut off, but I think a cognitive test. Or maybe a physical fitness test. - He was a camp dependent for a week before the debate. - Yes. - So there wasn't that. - He was on vacation. - And by the way, him having a cold, you know, I don't know what that means. He had a head cold. I don't, he was a little sick. So these are bullshit excuses. You're on a head cold, you're like really on it 'cause you're taking the pseudofed, you know? - Right. So, but she, wait, do we get to the part where she thinks he was drugged and let's listen to that part? - It was nothing definitive that I could point to. And I had been on the road for two weeks up until that moment. So I wasn't with him. I didn't see him days before, weeks before. I saw him maybe one hour before. And there's no way anyone could have gone for a bed waste of drink or something. - Who knows? Who knows? - I don't know. - Right? Who knows? - I mean, so that's like insinuating that secret service didn't do their job. And somebody like within the inner circle, drugs Joe Biden right before the debate. - Someone with a little vile of retardisol dumped it into his diet coke before he went. - Was Hunter anywhere in the building? Did he accidentally drop one of his things in his dad's drink? - She is a fucking dope. - She looks real good for her age though. I mean, credit where credit is due. Those plastic surgeons and hair makeup gals before she did that podcast. - Agreed. - I agree. Now, I don't know if she's, who's, first off, Michelle Obama, who's worse? Her Michelle Obama. - Jill Biden. - Jill's worse than Michelle. - Jill Biden is worse than Michelle Obama. - Michelle seems angrier than Jill though. - Maybe on a, maybe on a personal, like maybe with what she lets out of her mouth, I could see why you're more at Michelle. There is also the Hollywood power that she has with all of her Netflix shows and documentaries and how she's trying to infiltrate culture, which is potentially dangerous for our children. But I think that the fact that we had a sitting first lady, who 1,000% knew that her husband was mentally incompetent and surrounded him with the most radical leftist insane people that pushed forward a socialist borderline Marxist agenda for four years and is still openly, narcissistically lying about it to the American people. She's up there to me with Fauci. - Mmm, all right. - She and Fauci are tired for like worse political figures ever. - Yeah, well, you're right. - In the United States. - Okay. - I agree with that. - Okay, say that clip. I'd like to make it my reading. - Yeah, you made your point. - Made a good point. - So this is interesting. We've heard about global warming is making there be more drastic natural events. Have you heard this NPR in the New York Times tell me, Dale? - I know, they always do that. - So every single day I'm hearing about how thunderstorms and tornadoes and hurricanes and Hawaii and all that stuff are all because of global warming. - Yeah, well, because it's their religion. And so when you have a religion, if there's an earthquake, you have to throw someone in a volcano. If they're like a virgin in a volcano to stop the next earthquake, but it's because it's a religion. So you have to chalk everything up to everything. - Okay, well now there's a new reason and an incalibal warming might surprise you. Actually, do you want to guess? Do you want to guess what it is? Did you start? - What is causing this change? - What is causing this? - The more severe thunderstorms and whatever. - The more severe thunderstorms, specifically in Memphis that created a city wide blackout. - Ah, let's see. - Is something that gets back to Elon or Trump or maybe one of these super AI centers or some fracking? Something that leads to someone who makes money? - Close enough. If it's a rich white man who makes money. - Yeah, sure. - It's racism. - Oh, yeah. - Justin Pearson, a Democrat and representative from the Memphis area. He's also a preacher. - Oh, that retard. - Uh-huh, one of your faves. Justin J. Pearson posted on X quote, "After a thunderstorm last night, 100,000 households in Memphis are without power, possibly until Thursday. It's 90 degrees outside." Another majority black working class city left in the dark. - Well, they don't want you to use your air conditioning anyway, right? So, bullet dodged. Yeah, I don't know, it's 2026 and they're still prattling on about racism. I guess we're just gonna be part of our lives. - Have you been to Memphis? Have you done any shows there? - Probably have to talk to-- - It's a great little city. - Have to talk to Mike about it. - I'm saying I've been-- - Talk to Mike and your assistant and be like, "What cities have I been to?" - Yes, I'm gonna say yes just 'cause I've been everywhere. - So, I've been there actually a handful of times with babies 'cause I've flown into there and then gone to like SEC schools for speeches. And like as a white woman traveling with a baby, it is a majority black city. There, to me, is no trace of racism, both ways. And it was so refreshing and so interesting to observe because I've lived in New York City and I've lived in LA and I feel like everybody has this idea of the South being the most racist place ever. And when you go somewhere like Memphis that kind of disrupts that thinking. Like everybody was so kind and just treated you as a human not like what your color was. It's not this guy. - He's just a race hustler, but it's weird that there's so many race hustlers still in these modern times. - I wanna get into this chef-gruel RFK junior. - Okay. - Good, because it's CNN doing what CNN does best and it's sort of, you know, all those embarrassing COVID CNN tapes we look at now where they're on Daytona Beach going, "What's happening? "People aren't safely distancing and blah, blah, blah." This is their version of that for now. They did a whole story on this guy. First off, RFK's trying to make people healthy. Number one, number two, you're feeding a family at $5 a plate and they're eating healthy food. But all right, CNN, let's say it's $6.75 a plate. It's still cheaper than McDonald's. - And they're eating healthy. But all right, let's listen and just figure out what their point is here. What's CNN doing here? Here we go. - I'm traveling across America. - Connecting with renowned chefs to show families how to cook delicious, nutritious meals. - Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., new reality show pushes healthy, affordable eating with sides of dubious claims about the food industry, science and public wellness. - dubious. - Public wellness. - I just put fruit lips at the top of the food pyramid. - But it's also the mass that doesn't add up in this cooking class, especially when the Secretary and his guest chef, whip up crispy salmon cakes with apple, white beans and green salad. - So this is what we're going to do here. the servings of each of these we ask to keep it under $5. - That's the pitch and prices fly by backing the idea of a family-sized meal for a bite-sized budget. - Fresh herbs are key for me. - I am on my way. - CNN sent the crack reported blown the lid off of this. - Let's back down who's kidnapping and raping women in the country. Let's go to the grocery store. - Let's go to the grocery store and see if we can throw some shade at our FK Junior. All right, so go back, sorry. All right, so he went to shopping store. We got it, you can play it. - On my way to the store. - But when we started buying ingredients used in the show, even going for the lowest prices at a big competitive chain, the cost heated up fast. - $20. - This was the cheapest frozen wild caught sock ice in and we could find. - It's a huge piece by the way. - How price there is at $8.99? The cheapest we could find, even with the deal from the store, is more than $24. Now the green is mixed, that was about the same cost. So we're the eggs on a per egg basis, but that's trickier. - Oh, they're only pricing that one egg out of the carton. - Yeah. - And that gets worth the things. - So it turns out, you know when you make a three egg omelette and you got nine eggs left and you're like, you're gonna go throw these at black people. I got nothing to do with this egg. - Also like if it's $6.99 for a dozen, divided by 12, you can break down the cost of the egg. Like it's not like that's this business. - He's making an ass of himself. - By the way. - By the way. - By the way. - He started at the beginning with this sing-song-y tone. See you then. This guy is this. - He got the fancy meal by the way. - He got the fancy meal, dude. He went to journalism school. Like just, can anyone just go, no, I'm not gonna make an ass of myself. I'm sorry. I covered a desert storm. I'm not gonna make an ass of myself. Sorry CNN. I'll retire. - Three pounds of salmon at Costco is like $40. So. - First off, they're making salmon patties with- - You don't need a pound of half for that. - No, but they got all kinds of other ingredients and it's probably four ounces per pan. - And I'm adhering to you because chef gruel like us lives in Southern California. He lives in, you know, a fancy part of Southern California. He represents the city there. And like we are the most expensive part of the country, probably other than New York City to buy groceries. So my assumption is that he and his team were like, the average cost of a pound and a half of salmon. - I bought salmon at Trader Joe's. It was $8.50 and I ate it for the next three days. That's how much I got and I liked it. All right, we'll play it. We'll keep playing it here for a second. - They say they only spent eight cents on this because that's how much they use. - That's the onion. - And the whole onion cost us more than a dollar. - What? - Look at this. - It's kind of how to manage. - Oh boy. - He priced this at $0.40 because they were only using a couple of tablespoons to buy the whole thing cost us more than $0.11. - What? - No. - The only pricing parts of it and grocery stores don't sell things that way. - Oh hold on a second, hold on. - Why? - I went to the geltzens last week and I just went in and I said, just squirt some mayonnaise into my mouth, bro. And the guy said, that'll be seven cents. And I said, thank you. And I went upon my way. Oh you tell me they don't just send handfuls of onions and squirts of mayonnaise. - A little dollop of olive oil after dinner tonight. - This guy's an idiot. He said, what's this guy's name we gotta figure it out? He's. - That shirt too, man. - There's no, there's zero dignity. All right, I know this is gonna get me angry. I'm gonna get more into it tomorrow because I'm already, I'm already pissed this hell. But all right, CNN. - Should we do a cooking show? - It's no, yes. It's not $5. - It's $7.10. Okay, your family is healthy. - It's super than McDonald's. - All right, you can go to amcrawler.com. I'm gonna be Friday, Tampa at the Motoron Clave, this Friday and then Sunday, Point Pleasant, New Jersey. Hey, traveling through an airport. There you go. And Uncle Vinnie, let's go to amcrawler.com for all the live shows. At least, what do you got at least crown? - Oh, check me out over on the Abe News Network at YouTube and Instagram and maybe on your TV this week. 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