[FULL EPISODE] Dynamic Brock Bowers, Maye to AJ Brown & RB Profiles!

[Kirkeä] Mennäänkin huomena korkeasaarein. Eläinteisaariona voinna vuoden jokaisena päivänä. Pierallemalla korkeasaareissa tuet eläinlajien ja villinluonno suojelua. Tutustupäivän ohjelmaan. Korkeasaaripistefi. - We've got our take-can as loaded and ready. - Absolutely dominant on deep routes, absolutely dominant on short routes. - Boys are back-back-scellent separation against man-covering. - This is reception-perception that push-shows. - Yo, what's cracking everybody James Goat, Matt Harmon here with you. You'll listen to reception-perception. - Oh, shhh. - All right, Matt Harmon. The show moves on. We got a fresh batch of run-back profiles that have hit the site. We've got wide receiver profiles coming up. Brand new ones coming up relatively soon here too. Quarterback profiles, obviously, on the site. We're going to do a great quarterback wide receiver matching game between Drake May and AJ Brown. But, Matt, can we start first with, I know it's the dead season. I know it's silly season here for the NFL off season. But there is a legitimate, like a legitimate storyline developing out of Las Vegas that Brock Bowers will be this year's Jackson Smith in Jigba. And I know you've got thoughts about tight ends and wide receiver comparisons. But when you saw this little, I don't know, this narrative starting to form here. What was your thoughts? - Yeah, I mean, we pretty much should just stop doing that. (laughing) - Why do we do this? - There are two different positions. - Yeah, that's correct. Even in an ideal world, you know, they're going to be used differently. The guy who has been closest in terms of wide receiver usage to tight end, like a tight end who's been closest to wide receiver usage, is like Mike Gaseki. If you look at Mike Gaseki's snaps in line, it's just completely different from most tight ends. He truly is the Bengals, he currently plays with the Bengals, obviously, he's with the dolphins before that. He really is like a big slot receiver. He's the Bengals big slot receiver. That's why, like, when T-Higgins misses time, basically they put Jamar Chase out more snaps at the perimeter. And, you know, if you're comparing just, like, Mike Gaseki to Andre Yoshivoss or whatever, Gaseki's probably just like a little bit more of a dynamic player. So this is a thing in fantasy. I've done this before. It's like, "Oh, T-Higgins, is that you play?" You play, I guess, Mike Gaseki is your tight end because he's basically their big slot receiver. But for the most part, that's about the only real example of that. I know why the comparisons happen, Matt, because again, you got Clint Kubiet coming from Seattle. Now he's the new head coach in Las Vegas. And I don't know. I've seen, like, you know, they've done, like, statistical history of, like, tight ends under Clint Kubiet. None of which are impressive, by the way. But for some reason, they're being used as, like, "Oh, my God, it's coming for Brock Bowers." But AJ Barner had 52 catches for 519 yards and six touchdowns last year for Seattle, which, by the way, for, again, it's pretty good. It's not bad. I'm just saying it's not like, "Oh, my God." Numbers here. Vikings in 2021, Tyler Conklin had 593 yards. Second most in his, in a season of his career. Saints, Juwan Johnson recorded 50 catches for 550 yards in 2024. A good season for Juwan Johnson. But again, none of these jump off the page here. And I just, it's like, "What are we doing out here, man?" Like, "Brock Bowers is the tight end. At best, he's going to play in the slot." How did JSN make the jump from being a good wide receiver to being a great wide receiver? Oh, that's right. He got a lot more X receiver snaps. So, what are we talking here with Brock Bowers? I'm just so confused. Unless Brock Bowers, all of a sudden, becomes Las Vegas's primary go-to-X receiver, how does that jump even happen? You know what I'm saying? Now, I think there's a chance that he could play some X receiver. Now, I think there will be times where he does do that because he is an extremely dynamic player as Brock Bowers. Last year, he had 21.7% of his targets come as an inline tight end. That was the out of, among 50 players at the tight end position who had 50 plus targets, 29 players, just at the tight end position. That was the 14th fewest from a percentage standpoint. So, there are other guys doing the inline target, even less, TJ Hockinson, Chigga Conqvo, Kate Otten, funny enough. Wow, that's a surprise. Firemuth Travis Kelsey, not a surprise, some of those names there. The guys who have the highest percentage of their targets come as an inline tight end is Tyler Warren, Evan Ingram, funny enough, Harold Fanon. So, it depends, obviously, this is true passing down stuff, not inline blocking, which is a totally different situation. Kyle Pitts had a higher percentage of his targets. Only 23.5% is an inline tight end in Brock Bowers. I think Bowers will move across the formation play a lot of different positions. I saw a really interesting comparison in an interview that a former Raiders coach Scott Turner did with our mutual friend Ted Wynn from the athletic who covers the Raiders. He did an interview with Ted, and obviously Scott coached Brock Bowers his rookie year with the Raiders. Him and his father, Norfolk, took over the offensive duties after some chaos on the coaching staff, which is a one to happen there in Las Vegas. And I think they actually did a pretty decent job with it, but anyways. So, they took over, they fired Luke Getsey, I believe, was the offensive coordinator that year. They fired Getsey, the Turner's took over. And I think they actually did some cool stuff, so he compared Brock Bowers to Drake London, which I think actually makes much more sense than Jackson Smith and Jigba, especially for talking about like a player to player. Because JSN is what 197? He's definitely sub 200 pounds. And he is a guy that will do most of his damage. He did most of his damage last year as an outside receiver. Drake London obviously can play a ton of outside receiver, but he's been really effective when he's moved across the formation, and especially when he's been off the ball and in the slot. Now, again, Drake London can certainly much more, I think the Brock Bowers probably be a every down extra receiver. We've seen him do that the first few years in his career. Under Arthur Smith, Drake London was like an every down extra receiver essentially. He didn't really do a lot of movement last few years in Zach Robinson's offense. More snaps off the ball, more snaps in the slot, a lot more pre snap motion. Runs a route tree that I think actually would make a lot of sense in this Clint Kubiak offense with Fernando Mendoza, especially as they're integrating him into the league. So I think that's actually a much more apt comparison from Scott Turner than comparing Brock Bowers to what JSN did last year. Where it's so much like somebody downfield vertical routes from the extra receiver position. I don't think that Bowers is going to be doing that. Even if it's a better comparison, it's still a bad comparison, man. Like, don't disrespect Drake London's route run. I like Brock Bowers. He's a good player, obviously a great player. Nearly 1200 yards receiving his rookie season five touchdowns. And what was it? Like over 110 catches, right? Like he was incredible. What was Brock Bowers' rookie campaign, right? Fell off a little bit last year. 680 yards receiving seven touchdowns in 12 games. So pretty good overall, but still a huge fall off for him. Okay, that being said. I just like Drake London's route running versus Brock Bowers route running. It's just, it's a completely different level. Again, if we were to judge Brock Bowers as a pure receiver, like in your mind, Matt, forget, take away like the tight end duties, but just like as a pure route runner, like Brock Bowers is not anywhere in that same ballpark as some of these dudes that you're mentioning. Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't know. I think that obviously I've never charted Brock Bowers. But at the same time, I think from a flexibility standpoint, from a movement skills perspective, he's definitely really dynamic. And I think Drake London though is obviously really dynamic. It's just again, it's really hard to judge these two, these two positions together. So there were only a small handful of wide receivers who even got a target when lined up as an inline tight end last year. These are the guys who had, these are the guys who had more than one. Shockingly last year Cooper Cup was not one of them, but one of them, the guy who had only one with four was Pukin Nakua. Of course. Michael Pittman had three, Kallil Shakir had three Christian Watson, funny enough, had three. Trey Tucker. Maybe Trey Tucker is going to, he did, he had three. Maybe Trey Tucker is the new Brock Bowers. Maybe, this is all according to, to PFF, by the way. Judas Mishooster, Matt Collins, that's one's not surprising. Mitchell Tinsley, Cincinnati Bangal's wide receiver, Devon Valey, and the Matthew Golden, funny enough. So yeah, it probably just depends on the alignment, everything like that. Like, you're probably detached from the formation, everything. I would imagine you're not true on ball, hand in the dirt. you know a blocking threat. I'd be curious what those formation, what those plays actually looked like. I of course could go could go queue them up and watch them. But yeah, it's just this is why it's just really difficult to compare these two because when we said Bauer's earlier Obviously had a good chunk was targeted on a bunch of his plays as an inline tight end ultimately Like the guy who had the most targets as an inline tight end last year was Dalton Schultz was 70 Brock Bauer's had 26 targets. It's just very different. It's just very different So yeah, I think it's just tough to compare these positions in general But I certainly think if you're imagining what a move tight end would look like as a wide receiver from a deployment standpoint It is going to look more like a Drake London Then a then a Jackson Smith and jigsaw. So that's why I thought that comparison just made sense and like I just got finished with London season from last year not like at the end of last week And yeah, one thing that was interesting with him and I think this would actually be true if they If they went to kind of this direction like they used him They used Brock Bauer's like this with the Raiders He still ran a ton of like dig and out routes in that intermediate area and we've obviously talked about Jackson Smith and jigbo ran a ton of those routes too But and I think this is why it comes down to like quarterback when sometimes the CDs route trees changed last 24 Drake London ran a dig route on 27% of his charted routes and a curl route on 16% This year that this past year that number almost like flipped his dig route percentage went down to 15.8% And then his curl route percentage went up to 21.6% so basically those numbers while almost flip and I think a lot of that is like Giving just Michael Pennix that like kind of straight line throw that he likes and Obviously Kirk Cousins who is the quarterback for most of that 2024 season He will really would throw over the middle and all of that Pennix doesn't as much So I think that it kind of comes down to Mendoza who really didn't use that intermediate middle of the field all that much in college And did kind of throw like outside the numbers and along just that was the offense that they ran So I do think like maybe Bauer's could honestly be running a lot of these like hitches and deeper curls This year and I thought that was again, that's why that compares and kind of stuck with me a little bit All right, we shall see I'm excited to read the full profile in Drake London. That's for sure We continue our our preseason quarterback wide receiver matching game today It is Drake May and a J Brown when you take a look at Alfredo's charting here for a Drake May very few screens Very few flat routes, which I thought to be really interesting especially for a young quarterback where I mean We talked about it last week, right like Shadour Sanders was throwing a ridiculous amount of screens and flat routes Drake May they're asking him to make a lot of big boy throws very few just kind of sort of layup targets here and When you look at the charting overall really heavy in terms of in breaking past diet 17% curls 13% slants but also through a lot of go balls as well 10% Rot participation in terms of the go balls with excellent success rate might I add on those nine routes at 58.5% There is no question. We just talked about how Heavy in breaking past diet Matt said again 17% of his throws were on curl routes and you know what that was his best route When throwing it as a quarterback 84% success rate throwing all those curls, which is a really really good number I guess I'll throw it to you now so Drake May you hear these numbers you look at the charts and then now he's got a brand new guy in AJ Brown How does that all match up? Well, obviously the brown conversation Kind of has to be rooted in what version of AJ Brown. We are gonna get I've you know made no bones about it. I think that I we saw some natural signs of decline in AJ Brown's game last year If you've read the full profile on the site, you know that I go into detail about that and Some of the ways that he you know where we saw most of the drop off But also how we saw him kind of improving the second half of the 2025 season and I do think that's something to note here I've seen other people put the splits out as well Like just from a production standpoint what they've seen on film that is something to note that he was better in the second half of the season Because he essentially Like he was playing with a hamstring injury right at the beginning of the year He came with a hamstring injury then he sits one game before the buy So he gets like two weeks off he comes back and was definitely better in that second half the season now his Success rates are I mean in the first seven weeks of the season were really really poor. We're talking about like bottom of the league stuff But then in the back half of the year definitely better 77% success rate verse man 76 versus zone in 75 versus press Which are obviously are better than the than the full profile 2025 numbers and You know, there's their good those are really good results But they're not as good as peak AJ Brown so my my take on AJ Brown is that we are gonna get just kind of some Virgin of a diminished player than what we got at his peak It's just the question is how much which is always the tricky part with wide receiver decline as we talk about pretty much ad nauseam on the show So even still though I think if we're looking at AJ Brown from what he was in 2025 Yeah, it is funny that you mentioned the curl route being Drake May's best success rate pattern Because that was what everybody was so pissed about about AJ Brown running a lot of curl routes In Philadelphia last year remember that was the whole like But you'll just call it pitches hitches hitches. It's kind of what they ran a lot by the way in Philadelphia throughout the course of AJ Browns You know 10 year there because it is a little bit of what the quarterback likes to throw that's one thing too I like I've seen this be what he's going and you you highlighted it right Drake may really good on go routes I mean we haven't done a Jalen hurts profile yet Alfredo hasn't written up a Jalen hurts profile yet But I mean previously Jalen hurts actually is a really good go route for like that's one of the balls he throws really well So you know that could even be like I think it's Drake May is a better quarterback than Jalen hurts I'm okay saying that I don't know where you are with that I'm okay saying that I think Drake May right now is better than Jalen hurts But still like that's kind of a going from a strength to a strength even if obviously Jalen hurts wasn't as best last year I think what's gonna be more fascinating is just like where does He fill in throughout the rest of the route tree is opposed to kind of the the go and curl route For AJ Brown because I would argue that and I know the natural thought is like and I want to unpack this further with you I the natural thought has been like why AJ Brown is just gonna come in here and be like the vertical extraciever of this offense I'm like does he have to be because in that way he's gonna be running Yeah, Drake May is awesome at throwing these nine routes these go routes, but I mean I think I think there is no doubt like AJ Brown has diminished and that like even in the magical kind of like you want to split the season in half You know, this is just my opinion I there's still a clear decline in his ability to separate on nine routes and go and then again the go routes and stuff like that I think he's still Really good short and intermediate and I wonder if there's a way they can lean into that more this year with Drake May and how they compare that together as opposed to like AJ Brown has to be the on-ball outside go route receiver They kind of got other guys to do that. I would like to see them lean more into their connection on some of those short and intermediate routes As the US Benz National team takes center stage at a home world cup Make sure you're listening to call what you want part of the CBS sports podcast network where you can join me I'm Jimmy Conrad alongside Charlie Davies Tony Miola Marcelo Bobo and Benny Philhover throughout this tournament for previews Instant reactions and analysis of every US match then all summer we're back every Tuesday and Thursday Covering all things US Benz National team download and follow call what you want on Apple podcast Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts Kunhaly Katowan on help on Pikeski Töo Olennäisein See he McCabeeminoa eteen kun markkinat heiluvat Norde a private banking in asiantuntemus ja omasioitus johtia Ni tovat selkeltä kohenan keskelle siksi valit sen kumpanin joka vie minut askeleen edelle Nordeopiste fi kata private banking Well, I do think that that should be part of what they do just to kind of sort of Get keep the defenses honest right and honestly to kind of sort of keep AJ Brown happy to you know like I think a lot of his frustration was that he wasn't Getting a lot of these down the field routes So if they can kind of draw up a couple of these plays where he actually does get a shot play At least once a game sure I think we just went I think we just went too many weeks without seeing a shot play down the field For AJ Brown. I mean just ask him to go make a play sometimes, you know Yeah, I do think that Drake may will allow for that to happen too That being said you're you're charting of AJ Brown 2025 isn't a great picture It's certainly not a rosy picture although maybe it is rosy because it's all red down field 28% success rate on the corner 49% success rate on the 9 62% on the post these are not that's not good Yeah, I'm I'm still holding out some kind of hope that a lot of that was motivated based and or at least we was influenced by motivation and surroundings and just how much he was into it mentally. But I tell you what, man, it wasn't that long ago where this guy was absolutely crushing it downfield, right? When you just pop on his 2024 tape and it's 2024, reception, perception data and you're like, "Gah, lay, this guy was incredible down the field." So can he tap into that? Can it be somewhere in between? Because I tell you what, if it's somewhere in between in 2026, I think Drake May and AJ Brown will have a pretty good and successful connection. - That's the hope, that's the hope is that it's somewhere in between. I don't, and I mean, look, you look at the trade compensation. If the Patriots thought they were getting 2024, AJ Brown, they traded like a first and a third in this year's upcoming draft and like, that's it. But remember, they gave a 2028 first. So I think they're even acknowledging they're not expecting to get, they're not expecting to get peak AJ Brown for one year and certainly not for multiple years. I don't think Patriots fans should be expecting that either. And in that regard, I think that there's a lot of ways that this can absolutely work out for them here in 2025. Now, I've just find like the work, maybe from a fantasy standpoint, like he's going super high, like there's drafts now where he's going like a head of Drake London to me. I just think, I wish he was around cheaper than I would think about it from a fantasy standpoint because I just think like, we're essentially that price is just assuming he is going to be back to peak powers and everything like that. And I just don't want to assume that. To me, I think the motivation argument and I know people totally disagree with me and you clearly disagree with me. So the motivation bros can be on James Kose side here. I just think to me, it's like you have no idea, like you have no clue if that's the reality. But I think you can definitely-- What you can point to though is the injury. And I think if you're like trying to cope on the AJ Brown stuff and how he's still going to have this big year and where I'm going to end up being wrong on this or just like the concern could be unfounded that he's in decline, is that the first half of the season was so injury-tainted that it makes the final product look really, really not what you would want. And look, by the way, even the full reception perception profile, he's still like a 54th percentile success rate versus man player, like that's not totally in decline. If you look at some of his reception perception, like full season, comparables in the comparison tool, it's just kind of ex-receivers basically at every phase of their career. It's kind of all over the place, but there are still some useful players. Like Terry McIlon's 2024 season, there's the Andre Hopkins Houston season in here. DK Metcalf in 2024. Ironically, his now current teammate, Romeo Dobbs in 2025. So it's like these are guys that aren't, you know, atrocious. It's just what's the next step? That's the thing. Is there-- Can he hold out at this level this year? Because then I think that's good. I think he can-- I think it will be worth it for the Patriots. I think him and Drake May will have a really good connection. I think Drake May actually could even improve maybe in year three in the NFL with some of these. Some of the throw-- like I would love to see more dig routes for Drake May. Like, whoa, we've got 6.7%. I would love to see that go up. You know, post routes is definitely above average, but I'd love to see more of that type of stuff. Slants like AJ Brown, even last year when he was a diminished player, in my opinion, still ran a slant on 21% of his charter routes and had an 83% success rate. One of the better marks in the league. That's an area where I think this version of AJ Brown can make Drake May better. I've always thought that Drake May can throw a good outbreaker, but that was his lowest relative to average success rates. That was his lowest grade in route for us last year was the out route at 60.5%. AJ Brown, even again, in this diminished form in the full season profile had an 84% success rate on out routes. But I think all of those routes I'm highlighting here, the horizontal breaking patterns, which, by the way, can be really good for production. All of those are going to just be easier if he is used more as the Z receiver and less as the X. And I think that's something that I keep coming back to here because we just know this over the course of studying receivers with perception perceptions since from 2014 to current, like one of the ways to ease these signs of decline when they start to come in is a position to switch. Two more, not necessarily just like, OK, let's kick this guy into the slot. I'm not just saying that, but moving them off ball and making them more of a Z receiver, I think just really helps this stuff. And like James, again, this is my point. Why does AJ Brown have to be the X on this offense? They have three guys right now, as we are currently taping this on Monday, July 20th. They have three guys on this roster who were X receivers when they played last year in Romeo Dobs, K-Shaw and Booty and Kyle Williams. Like I think all three of those guys probably could also stand to not play X as much as they did last year. Yeah, I was just about to say. But can it be like 50/50? You know, I mean, especially Kyle Williams, obviously, we'll see how much he even plays, whatever. But he's definitely does. I hope he plays, but we'll see. Dobs I think could be useful if he's kicking around the formation, whatever. How about that Collins, baby? You know, Matt Collins will be there doing his thing. But yeah, I mean, like K-Shaw and Booty, he was the very much a sacrificial extraciever last year. And him and Drake May had a really good connection on those go routes. Keep that up. Keep him on the roster. I know he's kind of like a guy that's maybe wants to be traded or they've kicked about trading whatever, but keep him on the roster. Sacrificial extraciever. K-Shaw and Booty, it worked for you last year, but you probably need like a better-- if AJ Brown is just in the Mac Collins role, which was mostly like a Z movement player because they lean into his blocking ability, you're getting a much improved receiver, even if AJ Brown's a decline in my opinion, then what Mac Collins gave them last year. And here's the thing. This isn't just Matt Harmon comes up with a little theory about how AJ Brown could be used. We've seen AJ Brown be used this way before. We've seen it. We've got examples, not even just-- and I know I've pointed this out before, but in AJ Brown's last season with Mike Vrable with Titans in 2021, he took 68.9% of his sample snaps outside, which was the second lowest of his career, and 61.6% of his snaps off the line of scrimmage, the highest rate of his career. In Philadelphia, first year there, almost the exact same. Career low, 68% sample snaps outside, 54% snaps off ball, then second year in Philadelphia, 74.8% snaps outside. OK, it goes up, but he took 56% of his sample snaps off the line of scrimmage. Those first two years, Devonte Smith was the extra seaver AJ Brown, because Z slot-- let's do that again. Go back to that. I think we get a better version of AJ Brown in that way. So lock me into Patriots beat reports baby. I want to know where the severs are loading up. Sure. Let me see that. I mean, I'm telling you, man, that's going to be really important when it comes to what is AJ Brown going to be this year and everything like that. Dude, my guy Taylor Kyle's, bro, like he's really-- he's one of the best people that covers the Patriots. I'm going to be locking in on his camp reports, because I know he's a stick-o. He's going to be-- he's going to be talking about where these receivers line up, and I'm going to be paying attention to that. I love it. I love it. Again, going back to this quarterback, Watersever matching data that we've got here. And obviously, you guys can do the research on your own, receptionperception.com. Drake May, if you take a look at his three most thrown routes, not including the check down. It is the slant. It's the curl, two in breakers. And then it's the nine. So the curl was his most thrown route that he had. At 17.6% the slant, at 13% the nine, at 10%. When you look at AJ Brown 2025 profile, his-- again, his three of his most-- actually, his top three routes that he ran-- slant, curl, nine. It all kind of sort of lines up. And again, in fourth place was the dig route. So that was another in-breaker there. Then you took a look at Romeo Dobbs. What his three most run routes? Well, it would be the slant, the curl, and the dig. So it's interesting. I think New England came in and said, all right, man, get me some guys that could go play outside, and get me guys that could play outside, and also run a lot of in-breakers. This is going to be the kind of sort of-- I think they just lean more into what Drake made does well, which is, again, throwing some of these in-breakers. So, man, I'm-- and listen, he's got the arm strength to throw a bunch of out-routs and corners if they want to go back routes, if they want to. But, man, I just think, again, this is part of Josh McDaniel's his offense. Get some guys that could play outside, that could get vertical, but that can also run inside as well. And shoot, man, they have certainly surrounded Drake made with a couple of these guys, Romeo, Dobbs and AJ Brown. I'm really excited to think about it. I think they'll play a lot more 12 personnel, and they'll get heavier this year. Remember, they signed Blocking Titan, Julian Hill, who unfortunately is going to be out for the season. But that was obviously a declared intention. Eli Raritan was-- Nate Tice really loved Eli Raritan. They took him in the draft on day two. He's the guy that I think could be an in-line Titan at time. Hunter Henry can do some in-line stuff. Just replacing Austin Cooper, I think, will be an upgrade there. They bring in Reggie Gilliam, who's for. back and he could play some inline as well. So I think there'll be a more heavy personnel stuff. And like in that sort of package, I actually kind of like the idea of, you know, Romeo Dobbs running some of those in breakers you talked about in AJ Brown being the out route player. And like that's the explosive option that they go to is AJ Brown is the off ball, a Z receiver in a in a in a in a 12 or 21 personnel look. And like that's how they access more explosive plays this year. I'm definitely paying attention to because based on the charting data and Alfredo's profile, I do feel like that like those outbreaking routes are the area where Drake may can improve the most. Like there's obviously way to build a strength on a strength. And I think that that that can happen here too. But because AJ Brown was still so successful in those out cuts. And I think teams will look to make more use of explosive plays from condensed formations in that I think that's going to be a theme of this year. I didn't think that can be where AJ Brown is is really impactful for the Patriots. But again, my opinion is just obviously we are in decline watch. Of course, it's just he's a 29 year old receiver with a history of lower body injuries. And we saw it dip in his in his film last year. Just a question is what's the next step we're on that decline watch. But I think the best way to push off that decline is to not have him run so much ex receiver stuff. I mentioned some of those off ball rates and everything he took 85% of his sampled snaps as an outside receiver, which was the highest since his second season in the league. AJ Brown did and 72% snaps on ball. Last year, which was again the highest of his career since his second season. And without a doubt, the most since he's been filled off the eagle, the only season of the four over 70%. So I'd like to see a role change for AJ Brown. I think that can help him not decline as much this year. Oh, there's no question. There is no question. Okay. So we talked about quarterbacks here. I know we're a wide receiver show. But god, hey, listen, three new running back profiles have hit the site as well. Camp scat about Woody marks. Quinshaw and Jutkins full on profiles for all three of these guys and Matt, I think the theme here is rookies that showed some promise, but then also, well, at least for two of them. Certainly, a lot of question marks going to 2026 based off of injuries in terms of camps, gataboe and Quinshaw and Jutkins. I don't know, man, I don't know if you had a chance to take a look at some of these running back profiles or whatever it might be. But I would think that camscat, I think the camscataboe profile will be the most interesting and probably the most sought after in terms of like what are our users and readers looking for here because scat about what an interesting season he had. Yeah, what an interesting weekend he had too. Did you see? Yes. Good timing for you, buddy. You know, for you to put this up on on Monday morning, after camscataboe made, you know, made some headlines this weekend with his back flip. You know, can't don't love that. Don't mean don't be a boomer, but don't love that. So yeah, very interesting. You mentioned he was used like the juggernaut at one times in your profile. Just forcibly meet on I think in past protection rights. I thought that stood out to me. But yeah, man, I don't know, give me your overall thoughts on scataboe as a player after the rookie season. So I think we talked about this during his prospect profile too. He just can't get outside, you know, that's just not part of his, what he does in terms of his run diet, right? Like he wants to play in between the tackles. What I saw, what I said about scataboe in his prospect profile and I still truly believe this is that he's got this elite like lateral movement, right? So he'll press to the outside and threaten outside, even though he's got no chance of going to the outside. He'll threaten the outside and force a linebacker to make a decision or somebody filling that gap to make that decision. And then he's able to just put his foot in the ground, go back the other way and hit the design hole. So that's really what I like about his game. But like I said, in just in terms of running backs who can get to the outside, those are the guys that you're looking for. I do question whether or not scataboe will be a great fit in this giants offense. When you talk about Matt naggy, Matt, how much like gap scheme stuff will there be versus how much zone stuff will there be? I'm tend to think there's going to be a lot more zone runs unless John Harbaw puts his thumb on that scale and forces a few more man gap stuff. That's why I'm a little bit, I'm a little hesitant to say camp scataboe is going to be a great fit because I think from the charting anyways, he was much, much better in man gap than he wasn't so well. You got to remember though, you know, who else is on this coaching staff and is definitely going to be putting a thumb on the scale when it comes to what type of run game they're going to have is senior offensive assistant Greg Roman. You know, there's a harbour on charge here, which means that the Greg Roman has to have a place on the staff and my guess is that he's going to have a pretty serious, you know, kind of control of the run game there. I actually kind of wonder because look, we can be honest like Matt naggy was a little bit of an arranged marriage here for John Harbaw or not maybe a arranged marriage, not the right way to say it, but a little bit of a fallback option for the giants. They thought that they would be getting Todd Monkin is our offensive coordinator, but then the Cleveland Browns hired Todd Monkin as a head coach. So they kind of, you know, they went with Matt naggy as yeah, this gram of one of the Matt naggy fallback plan. But I think getting Greg Roman in the mix will keep the offense kind of from a run game because yeah, that run game in Kansas City last last couple of years has been so bad. They did 2.9% explosive run rate the last two years did the Kansas City Chiefs, which is 30 second in the NFL by a lot by pretty by pretty big margin, correct. Yes, because 30th and 31st, they were like over 5% and then the next team is like 6%. So by a standard deviation perspective, they were 30 second by a lot. So I don't know that they watched the Matt naggy run game and we're like, yeah, let's get some of that in here. I think that's why Greg Rums and I have a pretty big film on the scale when it comes to that. And obviously that's more of his bread and butter is the man gap stuff. And yeah, you mentioned 55% success rate on man gap runs, 44% on zone runs, his best stuff being on inside gap runs. Yeah, I think that's going to be going to be the probably the they're going to lean that way. I would imagine the run game and they have the the horses to do that up front. I mean, you know, they've getting Frances Mowano to be a guard for them. I think could be a pretty killer thing from a from a man gap perspective. So I think that's probably going to stay the same. So if you're into cam scataboo this year, I think you're kind of hoping that that stays the same. But I'm with you that. I mean, this giant steam, right? Like they they I don't know that they were dead set on cam scataboo coming back as like a feature back, right? There were rumors that they were attached to Kenneth Walker. There were rumors that they wanted Jeremiah Love in the draft. But he went third. Obviously, that was ahead of where they were picking. So I think they're like content with scataboo. But I do wonder like it's tyrant Tracy. So going to be in the mix here probably. Yes. I would say so. By the way, he's a good player too. Like if you go back and now go back to his 2024 profile that we've got on the site and not man. Tracy is a good player. And you know, and again, obviously Devon Singletary getting older and getting injured. Oh, open the door for for scatabo. But now I think I think Tracy is a very good player too. And I do think that he'll have a big time to say in this giant's offense too. Yeah. I mean, just stylistically, I think they complement each other well. So I'm and obviously cam scataboo is coming off of a major injury and is doing back flips and you know, falling backwards. So we'll see how that goes. Why? I mean, talk about like a like just like a like a slap to the head moment, you know, you're just like, Cam, what are we doing out here? You know, and I know some of the internet people are like, yeah, who cares? The guy do back. He's actually, he's just enjoying himself. It's like, yeah, but he's he's putting unnecessary stress on a major injury, you know, an ankle dislocation broken leg and all that kind of stuff. And you know what? Let me, let me just put it to you this way, Matt. I'll listen to the doctors in regards to this. And a lot of the doctors that I've seen have said, Hey, listen, you want to blow out an ACL go do what he just did, you know? I don't need to see that. I just it's like, what are we doing out here? Cam, I just don't get it. And and he look, he's a very unique personality. Yeah. For sure. But yeah, this just you talk about just bone headed moment, man. Like I can't believe he did that. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm fascinated to see just how much of like that admittedly was a pretty cool run that both Jackson Dart and Cam, Skataboo had together under the Brian Dable, like I'm trying to save my job run there in the middle of the season. Right. Which obviously flamed out didn't work out for Dable. And Skataboo was hurt. Dart, obviously pretty, you know, mixed rookie season, but some positive, some negative. I'm just curious to see like what those two guys look like. And what I imagine is going to be a very different environment from a schematic and certainly professionalism standpoint with John Harball. That's just great. I do appreciate the good thing, the good thing about Harball though. And like he had this when Malik Nate, because this stuff is obviously like it doesn't really matter. It the end. I mean, it might matter if Cam Skataboo blew out his knee, doing the backflip at the fanatics best or whatever. But I did appreciate when Malik Neighbors was on a Bleacher Report draft stream. And it was kind of like Santa. I don't really get like talking about you know, Arvel Reese, when the Giants said like how that was gonna work out or whatever You know John Harbor was like you're getting it's saying to the media you guys are gonna find like we don't we don't make a big deal out of this stuff Which I appreciate about Harbaugh because a lot of stuff gets made a big deal out of because you're the New York Giants And I think he's a right fit for that. So we'll see how it goes on that. I agree. Oh, that's gonna be an interesting I just can cam scat it would take a step in your two does he look better? Cuz you clearly like based on your profile like good like You know, I joke about this like How people use the word useful right? Mm-hmm. He's useful. That's like You're not you're not that into it But when someone's like man, he's useful like it's the intonation of the word. I think cam scat is useful Like he's useful like he's a useful back based on your charting great way to put it great way to put it Yeah, but like can he be more than that? I think that's the question Yeah, and I think that's kind of what my profile was trying to explore right like again Much better in man gap 55% is about we're getting close to league average here But you know, it's it's still not the best we'd like man gap success to be I guess around 55% I think I guess that's fine But 60% is probably where we're kind of trying to push that towards but 44% success rate on zone runs is that's not usable That's that's bad that's a straight up bad and then when we break it up into inside versus outside 51% inside run success rate, which again is is about league average is pretty good 47% success rate on outside runs that's Extremely poor we want that to be way closer to 60% so Pretty tough. I would say though two I guess features and stats that we keep track of is broken tackle rate And explosive rate and I thought in those two measurements. I thought he was pretty good right so 24% Broken tackle rate which is about It's kind of sort of league average ish, but again, I just think you know when you take a look at how he got those broken tackles Obviously, it was a lot of fun But but overall though, I think he's a good tackle breaker We'll see how much the injury impacts him But he is definitely in that you know in that range of like you know good tackle breaking running backs You want that to be around 25% he's at 22% but again, he's a rookie excuse me. Yeah, he was at 24% broken tackle rate So he's getting really really close to being you know top tier in regards to breaking tackles So that's pretty good man. So again when we take a look at some of like the individual traits of like Explosive run rate broken tackle rate like cams getable. I thought looked really really good I like it. Well, I'm really interested to see what he does Can we talk about the next guy that you want to get to here because yeah, I'm very much man I know you well here's why I'm really curious to hear what you have to say about what he marks because As I found out recently We did a bestball stream for the YouTube channel people can go check out the best ball stream on YouTube I found out through that stream that you absolutely hate David Montgomery new Texans running back So because you're down typically like if you're down on the starter and I'm kidding James I hate Dave Montgomery, but he's pretty low on Dave Montgomery as I was trying to find out So Usually if you're down on the starter you're at least interested in that backup Right, so what level of interest do you have in what he marks after doing the charting James co So If you read the profile, which is really interesting like I talk about what he marks a lot and then you know and then at the very very End of my profile Matt I actually take the time to write a few sentences about Jawar Jordan All right Because I That's just that question I kind of sort of like Jawar Jordan In Houston. He is steaming up the the depth chart. I think he has got a firm hold of the RB three role in Houston over British brook So we'll see but again, we're in freaking July. Okay, so a lock-in happened here But I do like Jawar Jordan. Look what Matt is referencing to is basically I said David Montgomery I think my quote was he has no chance in Houston That was got no close to your quote. Yeah, yeah I've got a couple of games into David Montgomery and it's not looking great And he's going from a you know Detroit offensive line, which is you know really good to a Houston offensive line Which is Better than it was last year but hey working progress. Yeah, say working progress would probably be the best way Hey, listen if they get to league average that would be a massive w for Houston massive I don't know if they'll get there But they're going in the right direction Is Houston but certainly not top of the class when we're talking about offensive line strength, right? So I'm not really like I said for me. I am Not really liking the David Montgomery Signing but that being said I understand what Houston is doing and similarly I didn't understand what they were doing with Woody marks, right? When you look at the prospect profile, I talked about Woody marks as being really good getting to the outside I thought okay, they're going to employ Nick Kayley and them are going to employ a lot more outside zone concepts because Look, their inside stuff wasn't really working. Okay, cool. Yeah Well as we find out that's pretty much not what they were looking for at all And my question to Houston would jace basically be like why did we even burn a draft pick on Woody marks at all You know like if you want to run it in between the tackles Find a running back that can run it in between the tackles. That's certainly Matt harman not Woody marks. It was a big struggle for him as a prospect It was a big struggle for him as a pro You know and it was so weird too because like yeah, Woody marks as wasn't supposed to be that guy and they traded up for him Like they traded or they traded a future draft pick to go get him. So It is very odd right uh that whole thing by the way um jowar jordan Had a hundred to one Rushing yards Against the Arizona Cardinals in week 15. I don't know if that was the most by a Texans back last year The second place was Woody marks with 74 Rushing yards. So it was it was the most by a lot if you go back to even just the Four season when Joe mixin was involved Like just that it's still one of the most rushed like there's it's Damien Pierce 20 for 24 uh season finale week 18 against Houston against his he tightens he had a hundred seventy six yards But then it's Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin Joe mixin the jowar jordan In terms of the most rushing yards for Texans back the last by the way Damien Pierce shows up again with 76 rushing yards in 2024 and week six against New England Patriots before we get to another 20 25 Texans back Which is again Woody marks with 74 yards in week 12 against the Buffalo Bills. So yeah your boy Joe our Jordan Has actually had some production I think it was it was late in the season obviously and I think there's no yeah obviously But that's it it yeah It's yeah no it happened but still but it happened it's a thing that happened So we can just go ahead and lock this in right now Future towards the guy well, I was okay To my point what I was gonna say was we can just go and lock this in right now Jawar Jordan is going to make like a sleeper king appearance at some point this year for James Coe Like right like that's definitely happening And you just proved it by what you said so there we go Okay, we we talked about hey like Houston why didn't they run to the outside more I think a lot of it has to do with their offensive line. I'll get that into that in just one second here But the Texas Puzzle the third lowest outside run rate according to sports info solutions right and and again I don't understand if you're just gonna run this thing inside a lot the Nick Chobb Connection pairing makes a lot of sense Woody marks not so much 45 percent success rate on inside runs again. It's not the worst, but it's so far from You know, we want that much closer to 55 percent. I mean shoot. You just get above 50 percent I mean, let's just use our brains here if you're not if you don't have a successful rush on 50% of the carries That's not good, you know, so let's get there um and by the way he was much better on Outside runs 50 about 57 percent success rate on outside runs, which is still bit shy of the 60 percent benchmark We're looking for on outside runs, but still overall pretty good So again, you talk about use quote unquote useful players Woody marks is that guy like he was a really good pass catcher He can run to the outside It's just what Houston was asking him to do and what Houston did a lot Which is run between the tackles mat just didn't fit and it just didn't make a lot of sense, you know So you're just totally down on Montgomery being like that exact guy for them like they between the tackles banger I mean like Let's let's be honest about this James like the bar to clear here for an inside banger back for the Texans is pretty low This is it this is a team that ranks 31st in Russian success rate since they drafted CJ Stroud like Even if Montgomery is just like a hey Keep a song schedule get us on but I obviously I don't know what that means from a fantasy perspective We can just put that aside like we're not talking about that at this point but like right just for the Texans for this to be a good acquisition I mean you said he's he's There you know they're not gonna do anything. What did you say was but he's he's toast is it's finished He's toast. Okay. All right. Well, okay. Well you can I can't even imagine being like a back that just keeps them on schedule. Like on an offense that, you know, is going to definitely play with more heavy personnel this year after they were, I believe 30 seconds in that. Like they played, they played no like multiple tight end stuff last year. They went actually with because they were just going to have a lot of tight ends on the roster. They went with more like jumbo packs like six offensive linemen, which, okay, that's fine, but it does it. You don't marry your run and pass game very well when you go into the jumbo stuff. So I don't know. Like you can't see that being the run game a little bit better, like maybe, maybe 25th in the league again. That would be a big success if Dave Montgomery can help him be 25th. Well, this was the problem, right? Like, well, I do think that they have improved their offensive line. I do think that that being said, Nick Chubb was coming off of a major injury, but again, I thought he played okay. And to me, Dave Montgomery is basically, I know he didn't. I'm just saying Dave Montgomery, but please, I love Nick Chubb to. I'm just saying, David Montgomery is again, if you didn't like Nick Chubb in that offense, wait, wait till you see David Montgomery. Like that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If y'all didn't like Nick Chubb, watch David Montgomery transport into this offense. I'm telling it's going to be very similar. We're talking a lot of two yard runs, a lot of like running into the backs of his offensive line. I'm telling this, it's not going to be good. I'm, I'm really, I am extremely low on David Montgomery, even in Houston, where again, everyone is projecting this guy to be like almost like an every down back. And I can't even, my brain can't even imagine that happening in Houston. I think he's going to be an early down banger. I think Woody March is going to get on passing downs. You know, if you're, if you're buying into this whole David Montgomery scenario, you're assuming that this, that the defense is going to again be tops in the league. You're going to be playing these low scoring grind them out games and you're just hoping that, you know, Houston score 17 points in a 17/7 win. I mean, that's, that's basically what you're, you're telling yourself. If you think David Montgomery is going to be that guy and I just think there's going to be a lot more, you know, I just think it's going to be more open. And Woody March will have a say and again, I'm not going to be surprised if Jawar Jordan has a little bit of a say here as well. But if you didn't, like I said, if you didn't like Chubb last year, again, you're not going to like David Montgomery. Oh, man. Okay. I mean, I'm not even the biggest Dave Montgomery bull this year or anything like that. I'm not crazy about Montgomery. I just, again, the bar, the bar to clear for being a helpful back for the Texans just just so low. It's just, let me ask you. Okay. Let me ask you was, was Nick Chubb a helpful back? No. I agree. I agree. And I just, I, I just feel like David, like Nick Chubb is coming back from these atrocious, like major injuries. Dave Montgomery, look, I get it. He's what? Is he 29 years old now? 29 years old. 29 years old. Yep. Third team. It's typically not what you're looking for from a back. But like, and I look, I don't know that I would have made that trade and the whole deal, whatever. No. Yeah. No. But again, can you just be better? I think he could be better than 20, 20, 25 Nick Chubb. We'll see. Yeah. I do. I think you're, I think you're way focused on the name Nick Chubb and not focused on the output that like we got. By the way, we're not good. If we're doing my rushing, if we're doing my, just like my rushing yard the last few years, it's good. Long time before we get to Nick Chubb's 61 yards in week five against the Baltimore Ravens. That's pretty far down the Texans. There's a lot of Woody Marks between them. It's, oh, yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping for the best because I really do think this Texans offense is fascinating. Maybe I have a weird affinity for the Texans offense. Thanks to my weird affinity for Nico Collins as one of the hosts on the show once said about several years ago. I think I think that, I think that tagged aged well, but I'm interested in the Higgins. I'm interested in the Noel Tankdale kind of aspect of all this. If Tankdale be out there and yeah, what they're going to do from a heavy personal perspective. So yeah, I'm fascinated by this Texans offense. So again, I'm just hoping that Dave Montgomery can help them be the 20, the 20th best rushing game in the NFL as opposed to the second worst, which is what they've been since C.J. Strav has been drafted. Yeah. I think, I think they will be closer to that just because the offensive line has improved a touch. And we'll see if, hey, listen, and we'll see if Woody Marx can improve his player too. I'm not giving up on him yet. You know, so was he not good inside? Will he be good inside? Probably not, but maybe they run a few more outside zone concepts. I mean, Woody Marx going, you traded me Woody Marx in the, and maybe I should have thought about this at the time. You traded me Woody Marx last year in our reception perception sickos, Dynasty league. And he's definitely somebody I've been looking at this offseason. Like, I want this like, what's the future of Woody Marx? And I guess you're kind of telling me based on your Dave Montgomery evaluation and like the, that there is at least a strength of Woody Marx's games and outside runner. Yeah. But like, you know, maybe leave the like, you're definitely, you're more than leaving the light on for Jordan, but maybe leave the light on a little bit for Woody Marx too. I guess I took. Yes, that's exactly what I would say. You know, like again, we talk about like useful useful like, yeah, he's a useful useful player. Like, and by the way, I know that his past blocking was a big time question mark. I certainly questioned it for sure going to last year. And while he was not, I wouldn't say he was great. I do think that he improved in that area quite a bit. If he could take another step forward in past protection, then we're talking, okay, actually, he's, he's actually decent in this regard. So I would still say he's below average as a past blocker, Matt, but it wasn't so horrifically bad that he couldn't be on the football field. You know what I mean? So, and he's a great past catcher. Listen, great past catcher out of the backfield too. So it's almost like, you know what he's like, he's almost like a, like an upgraded scat back. You know, I think that's, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that's Woody Marx right there. Okay, I tell you what, I will, I can speed run this Quenchon Judkins thing. Real quick. How about, how about we just tell people to go subscribe to the site and read it for themselves? I think that would be fine. Because I think he's the most interesting of these players and the player that I'm the most interested in this year. So I think we should tell the people, go subscribe to the website and read James Ko's work because this is really good stuff on these running backs. So that's what I think we should tell. The Judkins profile, Matt, is really interesting because the numbers don't look good, but I have, I paint a pretty rosy picture for Quenchon Judkins. If he is healthy, if he is healthy, so we'll figure out what I do that all the time with the receiver sometimes like, hey, these numbers don't look that great, but here's how it can work out, right? Because guess what? We're not just a look at the number site, James Ko. We are a context based website with which is why we don't just put out this data. We give you write-ups for each individual player. So the people should go read the Quenchon Judkins write-up because I'm going to read it. And, and we'll, we'll get there together. Cam's cat about Woody Marks, Quenchon Judkins, their profiles are on the site, ReceptionPerception.com. All right, go check that out for sure. All right, we got to go. For Matt Harman, I'm James Ko. We'll see you, but remember, it's never too late to chase your dreams. All right, peace. Ready to level up? Chumba Casino is your playbook to fun. It's free to play with no purchase necessary. Enjoy hundreds of online social games like Blackjack slots and Solitaire. 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