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you just got back from italia see see hunter is rocking an olive garden fitted cap um hunter is rocking i'll say crispy skin due to a laser treatment how are you doing i'm actually great yesterday it was pretty crispy yeah yesterday it was the block was hot i'll say um but i i panic booked this literally i was crying in the state of monica proper when you're in la because my skin was breaking out and i was like so sad about it and i panic booked this treatment treatment like it's not procedure not treatment but you know and then they're like actually um it costs you like a 50 deposit if you cancel like before three days out so i was like guess we're doing it yep guess we're doing it let's lock it why don't we so yeah i've never done laser oh i really recommend it oh really yeah have you ever done peels or anything like that yeah like a deep peel or like a like surface peel like one where for three days i wanted to die kind of oh yeah okay one of those like skin like peeling off in sheets yeah well this is like yeah it's similar like uh effect but in the like run-up it's a lot smoother you can't really see um but like they're like these are like little dots on my skin so it kind of has like a sandpapery texture oh um and then eventually as the days go on the dots just kind of fall off but like they're not dots you can like take off like they're like like really attached to your skin oh so you can't like scrub them off well your skin looks really good i know you're wearing makeup but your skin looks good right now you can see underneath i'm looking right for the for the skin i'm looking right for the skin for the listeners at home i'm looking at hunter right in the eye and i'm saying i'm looking camp right in the eye and saying you just look like you got an expensive facial i feel like i do look like i just got back from italia you did um i was telling i was telling um our producer i was like well i'm italian oh self-identified sure italian x um what about you what i love that there's no explanation about that you're just like it's just a truth that i'm living in well i love a chicken parmesan and i love a breadstick the bear the requirements for being italian and i love i love some burrata i love some monte pociano it's not bad actually but you also pin me as someone who has once cracked pasta in half before putting it in a pot no what's your favorite pasta shape favorite and least favorite pasta shape oh and be careful i like i like a fusilli i like um what's those little ones that the the ringlets like that but they're short yeah yeah yeah i don't i forgot the name of them yeah they're round and short i like those um the swirl what's your least favorite least fit like a spaghetti i'm not like doing anything with the spaghetti i'm sorry oh my gosh i hate i hate angel hair i'm coming out as hating angel hair pasta it is nasty why would you put hair in the label of something you're supposed to eat this was a consume like that's disgusting yeah that's disgusting um i know it up with big italian no no that was that was big italian that was like big italian american um i know it up with big italian no no that was that was big italian that was like big italian those big grocery store chain yeah um favorite is peachy is like a thicker bucatini oh yes i love a bucatini and big old freak i love that you started with what you hate most well that's i was like really she doesn't want to say what she hate and sure i like this other one i don't ever want to be confused as a bitch who likes angel hair pasta because that's not it it's not me no um what are you doing this weekend well now i'm kind of like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm kind of wishing i got a facial because i am going to fire island what are you doing with the facial on fire island girl it's fun to be the prettiest bitch amongst a bunch of gay men do you know what it feels like to walk into a room where gay men are always like queen slay girl yeah and i know you know i know it's fake i know they're high but i'm like i'm like they just did a bunch of ketamine they're like that's the prettiest girl i would kiss you if i was straight i live for that i love gay men didn't i say like a week ago that i hate gay men yes whatever yes but that's the spectrum like to love a gay man is to hate a gay man precisely i always love um no i've never been to fire michael cubie just sat up straight well oh i was i was in a fight with the block was hot for me last night literally i was in a fight with norman oh over nikki minaj these are our gays in question i think i i was sending him the ursula gift back ursula little mermaid yeah who else i don't know girl i have a cousin named not a lot of bitches named ursula um thank god okay so you're going to fire island i'm going to fire island yeah and what are you gonna do there probably drugs yes well what specifically maybe molly i not maybe i am i was facetiming my mom here's the one thing about me i'm transparent with alicia okay i'm i'm half white so like she was like what do you have to girl i'm like oh like i'm running some errands i i have to go do xyz and i think i'm gonna pick up some molly later she goes oh payton you shouldn't tell me things like these and i'm like i know but we're gonna keep it safe here we're gonna we're gonna keep it open and honest and communicative and just like white people yeah and then call her by her first name as well just around yeah alicia keys um oh janet is her middle name yeah oh that's so pretty i love that yeah um well i am coming out as a drug taker yeah uh-oh why don't you pull that crack pipe out i shouldn't have picked it up for her i'm i'm the cause of my own stress i just picked hunter up in americano so we're about to be active it's nurse she's out again it's very that hour right get ready buckle up um okay this week we're talking about lena dunham's new netflix show starring meg stalter called too much and we'll be talking about girl what else the boo-boos no no no please keep this in that was the blackest hunter i just watched her turn to an auntie so fast we're talking about the girl what else we're talking about the boo-boos okay we're not talking about the boo-boos this week we are talking about um the documentary on netflix oh totally yeah totally totally okay and we are joined by we're joy okay let me say a lot loving and we're joined by retro amandi to talk about the cutter room flora podcast and all of her viral interviews with fashion designers know that so um sorry let me just say this let me go ahead and say this um are you looking for a home for your worst opinions because i think you might be yeah and if you're a hater many such cases and a lover of pop culture consider this a glorified group chat we're not calling you out no no no no calling you in it's a safe space to talk but of course from wondery i'm peyton diggs and i'm hunter harris and this is let me say this let me say this do you know that um clip from atlanta housewives where she by sheree is on the phone with someone and she's like no how could you do that to my mother that's what i feel about lena denham say that i'm sorry a lot a lot of girls walk around in brooklyn and queens and some parts of manhattan right now and go a lot to her yeah greenpoint specifically and also i would say ridgewood and bed stye and i'm bush and i'm i'm that girl marching around every street every borough people say what they want to say but like at the end of the day the day gonna end and it's gonna end with me watching uh one man's trash episode of girls is that patrick was an episode oh very good episode yeah so let's talk about why we're talking about lena denim because i i think we've got to find the point i'm getting ahead of myself i'm getting ahead of myself god forbid um okay lena denham has a new show on netflix she's written and directed um called too much and it stars meg stalter emily radikowski and will sharp and the log line of this show is that after a breakup new york workaholic jessica which is meg stalter moves to london planning on being alone she then meets felix uh will sharp who calls her to reconsider finding love again period and um comes out i believe july 10th yeah yeah what do you think i have just wanted meg stalter in a leading role for forever ever since she said the words hi gay into my cellular device i said well that's a leading lady not even the rest of the video just that i said so that's a star um and i've loved i haven't watched hacks sorry cultural blind spot blah blah blah don't don't even get a hunter activated on hacks quite as kept but i also remember seeing her do a comedy show and thinking like real true freaks are back like she is so weird and she is so fun and she's so captivating great timing she just seems really smart um and i love i love a woman who loves a little bit of attention and this character wants a lot of it yeah and a little freak dog of hers i just i love the setup of it i loved we got in the first episode we got lena dunham that's her older sister yeah right um and and then we got uh what's the mom's name rita wilson rita wilson why did i almost say chet hanks his mother and that's and i'm calling me out i'm not calling me in that's crazy um and i felt like the setup of this family dynamic helped me really yeah that was sick no i'm i'm i have something else oh my god okay the setup of that family dynamic sold me even more on this character and i'm just i haven't finished the season yet but i'm so excited to keep watching and see where it goes yeah i um i would be remiss to mention rita wilson without talking about that one time that her golden globes makeup artist was like four hours late and she posted an instagram i don't think it was her hair her hair stylist and she's like hair all over her head she's like guess what carpet's in four hours and it was like the year that tom hanks was getting the cecil b demille award oh and she's like and and where is my hairdresser oh no um it post is still up um hilarious oh that family um but no i loved it i mean as a as a girl who loves attention yeah with a little dog yeah who wants to move to london and who is single i felt very seen yeah i was gonna wear a shirt today that said go girls go to heaven bad girls go to london i got it a lot of merch right now i got it from ella but i kept it okay that was funny shout out to emily though i'm sorry um i'm so sold of like a setup of okay bad breakup how do i fix my life yeah i moved to london or some of us have moved to paris emily um let's see what i did there totally i mean honestly this show kind of does have a lot in common to me in my mind with like emily oh yeah yeah just the just a setup of like woman moving to a new place like the the constant call like not callbacks but um i think it it uses a lot of like wow this like dumb american who doesn't know anything in like such a cute way which i think is definitely the richard curtis like um bro rings in a funeral like um like that kind of like like british romantic comedy tradition here i think is that work like in a really expert way um but i also really like the idea that that like meg stalter as a performer in every scene is like not reaching for the joke yeah i think the most like captivating parts of her performance in this to me when she's like feeling kind of awkward or uncertain and we see felix like notice it yeah but not really like draw attention to it but like be like warm and like inviting i think is very sweet do you like meg stalter as a performer have you known her work before and what do you think of it now i mean like social too i i really don't know her from social at all i just know her from hacks um you have very different sides of the internet that's why what you see that's why we weren't scared of what you see no no no i um no i really do but that's why that's i'm just so happy it's like another side of her because in hacks she really is like driving so much of like the best stuff on that show like the like best goofiest silliest stuff on that show and in this there are so many scenes where she like i don't know where like she it's like that very lena dunham which is also as president girls also as president of katherine cold birdie or it's like you're watching a girl like really wear her heart on her sleeve in a way that is would usually like propulse me but in this like lena just writes the same thing and she's like i don't know i don't know these women is so like complicated and like wanting to be loved but also like wanting to be kind of feared and admired just like like like blanketly that i um think it's really lovely and i also have to say something that i like about this is that it keeps like um meg stalter who plays jessica and emily radikowski who plays like the new girlfriend of her ex-boyfriend in conversation in a really funny way because i do think that the way that like the woman that your ex moves on with or like the person that your ex moves on with does you know it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like at least for me has like captates a lot of brain space yeah because i'm like well who is she that i'm not and what makes you like her not me and why does she get the best of you but i didn't i think that this show does that very well yeah and i want to go back to what you were saying about meg stalter's performance because i do think this is such a great expansive role for her and less silly but you still get the really great silly bits and like the great physical comedy yeah like when she gets burned and rolls all over the floor that meg stalter is so good at and meg stalter's fans do still want from her yeah and i think it's a really great balance that shows exactly what lena was trying to do which is like writing this show for this person like with an and i with an exact actress in mind and i love that and i'm so happy it was meg because i do think she is so deserving of a character like this yeah and i like that the show i don't know i feel like a lot of the romantic comedies that i've seen that i'm trying to think of always have like a a dead body or like what if he's like a zombie or or something like that like a big um something that makes it like a little bit less grounded and makes it kind of like sort of fantastical in a way and i like that this show even though sometimes i'm like okay we kind of do need a little bit more of like a plot element here but i but ultimately i'm more pro this is a show about this girl finding love and ultimately thing that thinking that she's undeserving and meeting a man who sees that immediately like wants to um assuage that fear yeah that that's kind of the whole show and it at least what i've seen so far it never leaves that um i also feel like something that's really great is seeing so many uh hannah horvath what hannah horvath isms in her yeah because i've missed my girl hannah i hope her and her black baby are well no he's not you would miss hannah i do we know herself as like that delusional girl that bad writer you miss her i miss her in her twitter presence oh yeah the girl who always looks like she left in a rush yes representation is important hunter don't allow people of that but like you know there was like some line that was um like i don't know if i've had 100 utis or like one long uti it was just like it was so hannah was so lena and it was so great to hear that voice again i love i love me some lena dunham sorry i forgave her they move on people no i feel like meetings you want to move on you want to talk about it no i said what i said i love her i would i've heard the season five the marnie episode in season five of girls changed my life forever actually on my 30th that was the what's his name is a crack addict charlie yeah it's one of the greatest episodes of tv i will say that i watched it going into my 30th birthday and i actually had a bad year uh but so did marnie so we go together marnie and i we go together um okay so lena has been doing press thank god uh i like when she talks some people don't i say louder but she recently um had said where all the girls girls would be i think we have hannah is gay now still raising her biracial son um working at bard maybe totally uh shoshana is recently divorced from the mayor of new york zoron they would could be could be could be and then um shoshana she said yeah um divorced from the mayor was married to the mayor divorced the mayor now runs a zero waste uh math leisure company um marnie is on her third divorce i believe as she should be but still singing but and she and she's still singing after all that she's went through that quote is literally about marnie michaels play stronger um and then she said jessa yeah jessa was like unvaccinated living in a boat in croatia you know just typical this is like having feelings yeah or not she loves to suppress those do you agree with that assessment well i actually haven't finished girls yet what the what yeah i'm coming out wait hunter go back in actually and shut the door and watch girls until you're done i know no i haven't i haven't finished it yet because it's like i just love it so much i don't want it to end wow and i also will like get in these moods where i'm like well i have to re-watch beach house well i have to re-watch um the episode where adam driver dances to valentine by fiona apple and relapses and starts kissing sherry appleby at the bar iconic scene um and then i'll just like watch it until like i'm just kind of like oh but then i watch until the episode where um yeah where do you stop adam and jess had that huge fight in the in his apartment and they break everything yeah and then lena like goes to the moth radio hour and like reads an essay about it but i think it's like the season four or five finale and i honestly found that episode so bad and so like backdoor audition for like adam driver for kylo ren that i just like couldn't take it after that um i talked more about this actually on the uh girls rewatch podcast oh my god with our friends we love our friends we love the youth yeah um wow that's crazy i did not know that in that episode wait i have to say in that episode these nicest people adore them but they're so young i was like oh yeah the moth radio hour and they're like googling moth it's like moths oh my god to be young to be young listen i know i remember i like wanted to do the moth so bad that was such like an era i think the real millennial gen z divide is if buzzfeed was a place you wanted to work whoa whoa that pregnant pause wow a lot of people just fell to their knees yeah yeah that was crazy um i agree that's where they would be i do not agree that hannah would be a lesbian she tried that already do you remember when she scissored her instructor at that women's retreat oh she gave it a good honest try but it wasn't for her and she knew that you could see it in her hips yeah yeah yeah yeah well but what do you think about i think uh shoshana is one that i most like hung up on i don't know where she would be truly like being married to the mayor maybe but like i don't know i feel like she's not in new york i feel like she's in sf yes i don't think she'd be in new york either or the very least she would be upstate but many mayors don't live in this city oh so clock it political queen sorry get her in playbook oh you heard it here first eric adams responds um what are your favorite romance movies set in england because i do love how this show really like you know positions itself as like part of like a long tradition of like english romances yeah i am caught between two classics i held up one finger i'm gonna say i'm caught between two classics a little bit pride and prejudice joe ray 2005 no or the emma thompson emma thompson okay and bend it like beckham lesbian lesbian romance representation like i said important and also i want to say um uh kieran knightley's low-rise pants in that one club scene oh yeah they doing something for you did a lot for me actually i hate when i'm dragged by okay what are your romance novels oh sorry what is it romance movies what are your romance movies let me say this i hate four weddings and a funeral coming out as a hater four rings and a funeral i don't like that movie at all um but i you know what i really love and what this show reminds me of too much um the show starstruck that was on hbo max for two seasons didn't watch oh my gosh it's you would love really would love it's very in line with this show it's so good um i love that uh but like also listen notting hill not like i'm just a girl singing from a boy asking him to love her you know how many boys people used to say they they would tell marilyn really falsely but the fantasy woke up with the real her you are book what are you going i walked around no i love it i love it i love it uh however so many good atonement i bought a green dress i wouldn't and it was not a dress what was it it was a skirt and a top oh girl that's like that's everyone's like favorite third favorite fun fact one deborah was proud of people are mean two um what's her name should have gone to paris three the atonement green dress was a dress a top and a skirt i hate a cinephile they're always mad about something a cinephile always want to fight an only child oh lord you've got your work cut out for you i do and you know who i'm you know i want to keep working let's always keep her at work lena dunham keep my sister employed i like when she goes oh she's a new natalie portman movie oh i want to see that oh that's in production yeah i want to see it okay i'll do that eyes open ears peeled i hate a cinephile again let me say jesus are we tapping to our fashion bag not today not today i'm doing my best no but spiritually we are yeah by proxy we are today with us we have who is a fashion journalist media entrepreneur and host of the podcast the cutting room floor all things i would say every fashion girl i know citing their sources coming to you if you are not familiar you've probably seen at least uh a viral interview uh maybe most uh maybe steve madden that was a good one maybe law wrote the table maybe law wrote i love when law roach is loud which is always um yeah but yeah thank you for coming to the pod thank you this is a pleasure i see you guys as clips on social all the time i was like i want to go yeah well thank you for having me we got to the time square baby yes we have a question that we ask everyone who comes on the show are you a lover or a hater just in general yeah hater probably sister sister that's so general i'm both i'm both but i'm definitely critical of myself though for sure too but yeah i it just like yeah probably just for funsies hater love it um we have a little rapid fire are you a lover or hater i'm really like it's honestly due to you due to you and like like one other fashion newsletter i read lover hater of jonathan anderson at dior now oh i just understood that this was a category yes i just meant like generally i'm like i'm a hater okay there's a bullet um that's actually a very good question i'm gonna say lover because i saw it and i was like oh this is good i've never really been a dior fan and that's almost at any point really yeah ever um so i've just never been that girl but then i saw this and i was like okay yeah lover i wasn't sold on this move but i think lover okay follow up i know it's early but demna at gucci hater but i haven't seen it yet so i don't know um but i'm going with hate just because leading with hate yeah i'm leading with hate on that one because i just i'm not sold i feel like gucci had a really strong um vision when alessandra was there and then it kind of fell flat and they kind of tried to recreate that and then demna had a very strong vision with what he was doing and then i was like oh my god i'm gonna be a hater i'm gonna be a hater i'm gonna be a hater with balenciaga but then that got played out so it didn't make sense that there needed to be like fresh water i just don't think him there made sense i feel like i'm gonna see black florals like i don't know what i'm gonna see so i don't know if he has a new trick in his bag that would be honestly the greatest upset of all time like i think that would be really cool i just don't think he does love it okay and i love leading with hate that's so important here face to face no be like i'm hating until you convince me to love we'll see about that yeah for sure lover hater of vibram shoes the like toe the vibram vibram is that how you say it vibram the toes the fingers oh that's the toes yeah the toes um i'm gonna go with lover because i don't wear them but the kind of person who does i think is a riot same world that you know the you know the type yeah you know her you know her and him but i do think but i'm a lover of the person who wears that for sure yeah i can hear that yeah yeah okay are you a lover or hater closing us out of anna winter stepping down oh my god lover i've been waiting lover like i've been or yeah literally we've been picketing outside picketing outside for years now um i'm a lover of that i don't think she's really stepping down i feel like this is i don't think anyone else is going to get the title of editor-in-chief of vogue yeah um but definitely a lover of her stepping down i think it's time yeah yeah it's kind of weird to me now that like who was the last person to have like a like actually titled editor-in-chief it seems like at every magazine everyone is just like a global content manager i know i think it's like a money thing honestly what do you mean like they'd have to pay them more if they were had the title i think so and there's a because um i don't know but it's just it's so weird to me that like everyone even vanity fair it's like global editorial head it's not editor-in-chief editor-in-chief is easier to say just give it to them i know yeah you're doing too much with the english language now yeah and i feel like it's a power play though too i think that she will be the last to be the editor-in-chief of vogue but i don't know but i mean she's still involved in con day too so i don't really know if she is actually stepping down but either way i love it right yeah asterix like what does that mean yeah yeah no shade i'll do respect for all the work that she has done because it's definitely the end of an era but lover a quick follow-up were you a lover hater of devil ways prada lover okay that like set the stage set the tone that's a movie of a generation like lover lover lover and also like a movie of an industry lover yeah for sure so this is we just spoke with us your sixth season you said yeah of the kind of room floor um tell us about starting the show but also like i think it's really reached a crest with the steve madden interview does it work that to you i guess so like almost accidentally though but yeah i guess so we've been doing it for a long time and we have had like viral buzzy episodes in the past so it's interesting to see which ones like pop off like that because we weren't expecting that but yeah it's definitely like garnered a lot more momentum um which is exciting but i mean it's a labor of love i've been doing this for so long i mean so long i feel like it's like 30 years into my career hasn't been that long but i've been you know like trudging along for a while so i guess it just feels good to feel like people see it more than anything yeah do you have a favorite interview people ask me that all the time and i really don't i because i feel like they're all good they all feel like my babies yeah also because i'm also involved in the edit still so much and like watching everything and so it feels like i'm in the weeds of each episode so i feel like every single one is a favorite for some reason or another they wouldn't have been on the show if they weren't do you know what i mean like valuable to me or to the show in some way to the audience yeah i feel like all of them they're your babies they're all my babies this one was special just because it was yeah it was recent and it was fun and it was light-hearted and it just went super viral and we just weren't expecting that sometimes you were like oh this one's going to be good but we just didn't see that coming so i guess you could say that's like a recent fave but they're all my favorites yeah the steve madden one though was the first i don't know it's like ready to see a podcast interview transfer into like real life i saw black girls on tiktok being like wait let me get some steve madden's actually let me get my hands on those jelly flats because like i love him now like you'd really really introduce him to like a new audience of people who are not super fashiony maybe and you hadn't like connected steve madden as a real person yeah who like has a lot of opinions but do you think i introduced him to new people i think everybody did truly no i had no idea the my conception of steve madden before this interview was like the little bit of him in wolf of wall street which is like not even him oh see i didn't even know that that was new to me the wolf of wall street really okay he had anything to do with that story so that but did you know what he would do when you say introduce you mean just like his face but you knew the brand face personality yeah i knew the brand but like face personality that he's like kind of a loud mouth but i think i commented on your um instagram like we need him as our current guest oh you did no i think you guys had a really excellent rapport yeah like two straight shooters i really liked it yeah he's hilarious actually just had lunch with him he's hilarious yeah you know bullshitters okay i think but that was the part that i thought was so fun you made steve madden the person not the brand like more accessible to more people and like that's what really excited when once he was like i might have nicked a few things i said let me have the card okay so you were inspired to shop yeah yeah that's great i mean didn't wasn't there a sale uptick i feel like after that i wouldn't be surprised if there was a sale uptick after that okay so this is funny i can report on this officially because i was just with him today um somebody on tiktok said that like sales went up 100 million dollars that was completely relative i don't know who that was but they did say that the kind of row knockoff jelly flats uh started to sell like crazy wow that's cool that's your impact yeah wow i get your 10 okay steve yeah if you're watching yeah that's cool i don't know about like uptick and just sales overall but like i yeah obviously that product i think performed i'm going to attribute that to you and also attribute drake sounding like mall music bringing like somebody to the masses i know drake sounds like music to be in commerce how's drake doing has anybody checked on him well i'm not great abs stop yes let me pull it up no i mean someone pull it up well just imagine some uh like donut holes in a little box because that's how the abs look Jake as Petal. Wait, why is he doing this when he already got called BBL Drizzy? Like, why would you do this? I mean, I do love a man that loves a little body mod, you know? Like, why not? Why not? No, no. It's funny. You know, we were talking about this, like, last week, maybe, that Drake needs to, like, stay in the lane of making music, like, Nice For What, Nokia, like, music for girls to play as they're getting ready to go out, and not this, like, rap guy. Like, we've, like. So he's for the girls? Yeah, of course. He's a lesbian. Don't do that. Well, it's true. That's not yours. It's true. Put it down. It's true. That's not yours. No, we're. I mean, I get what you're saying. Nice For What. Yeah. Yeah. Although, I don't know. I know men who really love Drake. Are they misogynist? Yeah. Of course. Of course. They love Drake. For sure. For sure. That's the category they're in, but he still has a very specific hold on the market, like that category of guy. A hundred percent. But also, so does, like. It's so funny that you clocked it, though. Yeah, for sure misogynist, for sure. I've never made someone who said they're a Drake fan that is a misogynist, and that includes Hunter Harris. I don't support all women. You bitches are very dumb. Period. I'm done. Okay. This is something else I want to ask you about. You are a better interviewer than people we've worked with, and we both have careers in journalism. So what is your secret? Why is that? Tell me about that. I think there's a lot of culture of offending people, culture of fear, like the kind of access to these. The nice journalism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the. A lot of the big places. You don't play nice, but you play fair. I actually think I do play nice, actually. Really? Ooh. Okay. Well, it's not to say the antithesis of that is, like, being mean. But I think. I think, yeah. Cut to actually coming. No. But I do think that because of what Hunter was setting up, like, there's so much. Oh, this is a fluff piece. This is just to get your name into a certain place. Oh, yes. Yes. And you don't do that. You don't play that game. No, I don't do that. I don't do that. I feel like if somebody's saying something. And I feel like. But I don't think it's just me. I feel like you, too, are women who do the exact same thing. If I'm sitting across from somebody and it's just, like, not adding up, you would press on. You'd be like, make it make sense. It's more of that. Yeah. And it's not coming from a place of, like, trying to put somebody on the spot or be salacious or trying to get, like, a clip. Like, we're not clip farming. It's more like, you're not making sense. However, or, like, just keeping people honest. It's more of that. Like, holding their feet to the fire and making sure there's a consistency. And I think we all do that in our personal relationships with coworkers, with friends, with families, with partners. It's more of that. It's kind of like, you're not. Either you're feeling duplicitous right now or you're double backing or you've changed your mind. All of which are okay, but I just would prefer to, like, that they dignify the intelligence of the audience. It's more of that. Because people aren't stupid. It's like when somebody who clearly has work done gets on camera and fixes their face to say, like, oh, my God, I don't know what you mean. I haven't had anything done. It's like, you look crazy. We're not dumb. You just look crazy now because, you know. We're staring your lip flip right in the eye. We're hip to the game. The jig is up. It's more of that. But I do think I play nice, though. It's like, I think there's a way to be tactful, but also just, like, forthcoming. I just ask questions. And actually, I was working with. That's a lie. I was talking to Terri Agans, who was a guest on my podcast, and she was a journalist at the Wall Street Journal for 20 years, covering fashion by herself. And, or, you know, she started the Fashion Beat. And I asked her how she got a lot of really great pieces, and she said, you just ask, and you hold it. So that's where I kind of. She's my fairy godmother. Journalism, if I could be called a journalist, which I know that's a very controversial topic for podcasters, but she's kind of where I've kind of learned that from. She's just like, you just ask the question, and then you don't fill the dead air with your own anxieties. Yeah, yeah. You ask and back up. The most, like, the best interview advice I've ever gotten is that interviews are inherently, like, pretty awkward, because it is a lot of just empty, kind of blank air, empty space, and you just wait for. And also, like, people think. It's very. I think I obviously love podcasting, but it is hard to be, like, something, like, you're like, clippy. Like, saying something in a soundbite is very hard for a lot of people. Yeah. You mean trying to get the guest to say something clippy, or for you to try to get something clippy as the host? No, I think as, like, someone who's talking to a microphone all the time, I think, like, okay, what's, like, the cleanest way to say this so that it can be, like, edited together neatly? Yeah. And, like, sound sort of. I mean, like, a lot of just sentences trail off, and it's hard to. Yeah. The medium, I think, matters, too. That's an important point. So you guys are podcasters, so you get it, which is, like, that's a very real thing. It's almost like you're editing in real time while you're talking, because you're already considering how it's going to be edited. So it's tricky. You're right. Like, how to phrase something in a way that's concise. Yeah. Do you have any dream guests for your podcast? Yeah, so many. But most of my dream guests don't like press. So they probably would be, like, very adverse to coming. Yeah. But it's not because I have any shortage of having them. I do. But they're, like, people like the Olsens, Andy Milamister, like, you know, Steven Meisel, like, people who would just never, ever get on camera and probably do this, or just don't have, like, a strong record of doing that. Yeah. In the last decade. Quick aside. We always say, every black girl needs a white bitch they don't play about. Are the Olsen twins yours? For sure. I knew it. Yes. I love that phrase, and I'm stealing that. Every black girl needs a white bitch they don't play about. I don't play about the Olsens. I think also, though, part of the reason why I'm able to maintain that is because I don't know them. So I'm able to, like, keep this mystique thing going. If I ever heard them talking with their girlfriends when they thought no one was listening, I'm sure I would hear something toxic. Like, I'm almost positive, but I'm choosing to keep them in this lane so that I can just, like, go hard for them. But yeah, I mean, I'm a millennial. Like, yes. Of course. And they were known for being so stylish throughout their entire career, and I just feel like they're, like, they give waspy old money even though they worked for their money. Like, they didn't inherit it. And they mind their business. Part of the reason I love them is that they stay out of other people's business. Why isn't this kept? I love that. Yeah. I almost said I love that in a woman, and I was like, wait, the misogynist is in the room with us right now. Like, let the Drake play. Sorry. Because I'm definitely not that girl. I'm a loud mouth. Yeah. But I love, a part of me loves the, like, you know, waspy Demi or, like, if I could play a character, maybe I would play that for a day. But that's not who I am. Well, we're a bunch of loud mouths, so. We all have podcasts, so. Clearly. I can never be quiet. We want to do a little quick round of just naming. Who do you think is the brand of the moment? Oh, just in general? Yeah. Brand of the moment? I mean, Celine after Sunday, apparently. I'm going to put my money on Celine. This new Celine by Michael Ryder. Nice. Yeah. Let's see how this shakes out. I think it was a nice turning of the corner. Hedi Salman shouldn't have been there to begin with, but now that he's gone, I think that we'll be able to, like, turn a new leaf. And I've seen some, like, good house codes come back. They're bringing the Phantom bag back. There was some nice tailoring, color theory. It was good. It was a good show. So, like, I'm going to put, and also, I'm a Celine lover. I'm a, you know, old Celine, Phoebe Philo lover. So, like, I don't know. I feel like I have something to believe in again. I love a fashion girl. Me too. I love it. It's like I'm hearing, like, a different language. It's like, ugh. Like, this is what I talk about when I talk about movies. Like, I love it. Yeah. Well, I love this one. Stylist of the moment. I think Colin Carter doesn't get enough respect for his work with Cardi B. Because Cardi is really a fashion girl, and it seems like she would be an unexpected get, like, to get the brands to cooperate based on her persona. But, like, he does a really good job. So, I would say maybe. Maybe Colin. And then, the girls will get mad, but I love a Hailey Bieber, Kendall Jenner moment. I feel like if you just like normcore, you guys are mad. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You found your community. I'm a believer. I'm a believer. I'm into it. Like, the girls will get mad about it. But, like, if you're into normcore and, like, good 90s chic silhouettes, like Danny Michelle, shout out, you know, I think they look great on a regular basis. But also, again, this is a tricky question because it would have to be somebody who's getting papped enough. It would have to be somebody who's getting papped enough for me to see what their style is looking like continually. And most celebrities are just doing, like, a red carpet moment. And there's only so many people that are doing street style or are famous enough to warrant that much coverage. But I guess I'll end it there. Yeah. Yeah. Last one. Best dressed celeb right now. And we can say red carpet. Damn, I don't pay attention to carpets, like, that much. That's actually a funny thing because, like, when we talk about the cutting room floor, that's, like, something that people. Not criticize, but comment on. They're like, you don't cover runway or, like, red carpets. And I'm like, I know. And that's, like, a big part of this industry. So, like, maybe we'll get there. I feel like the girls have moments. It's kind of what I'm saying. Like, when they pop out, they look good. And that's the other thing. This is tricky, too, because the girls have stylists. And that's the thing. Like, there's very. We don't get that, like, authentic person who has their own personal taste anymore. Yeah. It's very much, like, now that the stylist has become such a celebrated function, it's very much a role. And so, it's almost like you would look insane if you didn't look amazing. Because you don't have a reason to not look amazing. Okay. Let's go, like, nostalgia. Like, celebrity who, like, they have really good. I'm thinking, like, Gwyneth Paltrow doing the pink dress for the Oscars. Like, something that, like, shows a personality. Oh, I have that entire speech memorized. That's so funny. That's an iconic moment. I mean, my friend used to quote that all the time. I loved. Again, I loved an Indie Sleaze moment. Yeah. I loved, like, a Corey Kennedy throwback or. Again, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. We're talking about American Apparel later on the spot. Yeah. I was like. Oh, my God. Keep me around. Come on, Indie Sleaze. No, I don't know. I don't know. I'm on the spot. If I really had time to think about it, I could probably think of a lot of people who have great style. But I feel like, you know, if you were, like, in a similar age bracket, like, if you remember the days of, like, Us Weekly and People, you got to just see, like, authentic street style. People just walking down the street. And that's when we really got to be like, oh, my God. What's so-and-so wearing? That was my favorite part about those magazines. So, I feel like we've just kind of lost that. And then when people are getting street styled, it's organized paparazzi shots. It's, like, fake. So, I feel like I just don't. The only people who are kind of real and, like, again, it's, like, a cheap, low-hanging fruit, but, like, are the Kardashians or, like. like not even the kardashians like kendall yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but i also think she's calling the paps so yeah she's doing both it's hard so many paparazzi shots i see like end up like as part of an ad campaign or like with an ad campaign somehow yeah but also like these fan accounts aren't real some of them are i think of when it comes to like kendall and hayley they're real but a lot of these like fan accounts are fake like they make a fan account and then they populate it with photos that they have from calling paparazzi yeah you're like well that's like the same game they're not even doing paparazzi shots too they're because so many people so many celebrities got sued so they're now hiring their own personal photographers to like shoot them down the street yeah totally yeah what did megan say check the getty check the getty who said that megan the stallion period yeah um okay regina thank you so much for being with us thank you and we're gonna find you this is a segment i feel like i'm on usa today i feel like i'm good morning america you are next stop baby i'm like oh my god i'm at it already damn it okay um you can find me on the floor um anywhere you see green circle green square that's us uh instagram eva chen please help me i need this handle but right now it's omandi my last name my maiden name whatever but i want to change this to the cutting room floor please help me with plug that and then we'll tag her yeah tick tock the cutting room i don't know i don't even know like the cutting room floor just type it in you will find us just google her just google type it in thank you thank you this is so fun you guys are good at this it's like a game show so we're gonna take it on back to the early aughts we're gonna take it there a scary place to go but here we are i'm ready i don't remember i was i was so young we press play on trainwreck cult of american apparel part of the docu-series trainwreck franchise that netflix has they did one on woodstock 99 they did one on the real project x and now we're here at american apparel i had not wanted to revisit disco because i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm you didn't no that's fair i wanted disco pants so bad but they're so expensive yeah well and everyone had them in a bunch of colors too i feel like i mean correct me if i'm wrong but i do feel like growing up being like of an age where you shop at american apparel there always seemed to be kind of like a shady um undertone to everything it all felt very like leering all the photo shoots it felt very like terry richardson yes um like super kind of like side boob like a seductive pose and everyone looked very young in all of those images and as when i was like you know 1920 21 i was like oh they look young and like cool but now as an adult fully formed brain um it's like oh you look too young like creepy it all felt very like seductive sexual in a way that um seemed like very inappropriate honestly and was uh which is revealed in this documentary and let's say sisters dove charney and terry richardson those two cousins are creeps what came out in this documentary was a lot of allegations of sexual misconduct abuse of employees um employees sucking them fucking in the hallways everyone just making out that was just like part of the culture there um and i will say none of that was surprising i think growing up in la specifically and going to all of those stores because american apparel entered my zeitgeist at like probably 15 or 16 la girl um brag except for i guess in this case um but i do think that not only was the culture of that you were explaining of just this hyper sexualized young girl was displayed on images it was in the store as well like the employees working were all so young all mostly bad at their jobs um and i can say that a lot of my friends worked at american apparel and i was like you're never doing what you're supposed to be doing love that for you girl um and the amount of attention that would be put on these young bodies and i would say to go as far and say it wasn't just like suggestive posing it was straight up legs open their first their first ad was we're now open and it was a young girl sat back with her legs open so it doesn't really get more clear than that you know um but then there was this weird thing that was felt to me that was so pro la pro immigrant and the the ethic split between being like yes we are very pro immigration and we want to employ you know our workers here in la pay them more than minimum wage but we're also gonna um take advantage of like young girls and like shoot them and release them into like harmful ways and both things existing you know yeah it does kind of feel like well if we over index and wokeness here then we can like be completely you know abusive and manipulative and kind of like yeah um take advantage and then no one like should really it should all balance out on the end in some like kind of crazy way but i do wonder like with this american apparel story which i think yeah you know has been told a few times more like not in this way um and also to maybe a generation who's like not as familiar because now american apparel is kind of coming back sort of like what is it now it's just like rebranded yeah rebranded as los angeles apparel okay obviously significantly not as successful yeah i do think tailored more specifically to la but it's hard to break through as a brand of basics now in the era of like amazon and tiktok shop where they're selling the exact same things at significantly half the price yeah well i also felt like american apparel at that time it's like if you went out at least in boston oh you would see a disco pant you see a skater dress oh my god that dress you remember that dress i ordered that um capo formal which is like the deep v with like it was like a sheer panel at the front oh yeah oh you couldn't tell me i wasn't taking it in that dress wait did you only wear american apparel in college you didn't wear it yeah no because i grew up in oklahoma right i keep forgetting that what if i wanted to turn a look i went to j crew i was wearing this shit out of my circle skirt you you would see me coming in those actually i think you were the first person you and her friend nicky are the first people to put me in a circle skirt and don martin's yeah and i said i'm a i'm a bad girl you said guys i'm not gay yeah like i don't know what i'm doing in this no no i love me that little chiffon button up their little like head oh you love that with with a statement necklace yeah yeah i was dressed down down delirious i i mean at the time i loved american apparel and i remember specifically being in high school and maybe eighth or ninth grade and i was like oh my god i'm not going to do this going into the stores on melrose and every single one of my friends and my brother getting scouted to work there or model except for me so there's a gun in the room by the way and it's loaded yeah yeah i was a late bloomer god forbid oh um that's so that's that's so i feel like lizzie with a broom that's okay that's okay i guess it's for the best yeah i would i would say so yeah but i do think it's interesting that like all of these like the american apparel story the brandy melville story um the abercrombie story these are all very like similar kind of stories that are marketed toward um young people yeah and taking advantage of young people yeah and it's just like why you know on top of everything else i don't know i feel like the commonalities are really um concerning and i'm like well what was like the next generation of that like what stores now will we be watching documentaries about reading exposés about in like five years i'm hoping none well no i would hope hoping it ends yeah yeah i don't know i'm like who's casting racially ambiguous like but also maybe there's not another store that like captures the zeitgeist and in the way that like a brandy melville or an american apparel or an abercrombie did because they did all hit the culture in a very specific way yeah and like have a very hit a very specific type of shopper demographic price point all of that i know i'm actually thinking like there's so much recycling and rewear and like taking old trends and bringing them back that like what are we maybe sheen maybe sheen i feel like you know that influencership tripped over that yes the girl realizing things or whatever yeah yeah maybe it'll be something like that anyway hopefully not yeah hopefully i mean well sheen is bad but like yeah i mean hopefully not as in like this all ends yeah yeah wait this is an important question if we're gonna talk about american girl we have to know have you ever stolen anything from american girl no i've only stolen two things what two movies and mines oh two movies from blockbuster i didn't return them then the store closed so i got to keep them oh that's like the most ethical steal that doesn't even count i hate a good girl boo tomato tomato tomato break the law for once yeah i opened this podcast being like i think i'm gonna do molly this weekend like we have to be similar because i was girl wrap it sorry sorry sorry sorry we need to not be caffeinated okay okay okay okay well that is it for this week as usual we are too online so you don't have to be and you know speaking of breaking the rules we didn't even talk about the trouble i got in when my mom listened to london bridge by fergie and said what have you put onto my christian laptop she said what are you listening to oh that was like that was like the second most trouble i've ever gotten and she's still mad about it she says i remember i i hope she doesn't honestly i don't want to wake that up i hope she doesn't well you know what i want to wake up if you stole from american apparel good for 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