From Emmy Snooze to Jussie Clues (with Lavelle Dontae) | 70
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The podcast features a candid and emotionally charged review of the Emmy Awards, focusing on perceived flaws in the hosting and award structure, particularly the exploitative money-based rules for the Boys & Girls Club segment and the underprepared hosting by Nate Bergatzi. The host praises several standout performances, including Tramell Tillman’s moving speech, Hannah Einbinder’s advocacy for Palestinian rights, and Kristin Miliani’s heartfelt closing monologue. The conversation also delves into broader cultural issues, such as the Jesse Smollett documentary, which the speaker critiques for its apparent bias and lack of neutral reporting. A major highlight is the discussion of Lavelle Dante’s TikTok comedy, celebrated for its raw, authentic humor and its intersectional focus on women’s empowerment and Black identity. The discussion extends to personal experiences with New York City’s intensity and the emotional toll of urban life, contrasting with a desire for peaceful, intimate moments. The podcast concludes with a strong emphasis on community, vulnerability, and the value of unfiltered, opinionated cultural dialogue as a space for both critique and connection. Throughout, the tone is playful, self-reflective, and deeply personal, blending humor with serious social commentary.
you watched it at me's anywhere special last night yes my couch oh my home where i pay rent
that's special to me like i'm making use of that right too yeah yeah yeah yeah i um ordered some
pizza and i opened a bottle of rosé and i said let's let's get to work i forgot they were
happening outside that is well yeah you wouldn't have missed a lot you wouldn't have missed a lot
honestly um where'd you watch just at home yeah i was like moseying around well i was gonna go
out and then i was like oh i should watch the emmys yeah and i did well um what did you think
of the host nate bergatzi bergatzi how do you say his name bergatzi bergatzi
i don't know how many times i need a super cut of how many times white people have the most
complicated names and they want to act like black people make it difficult anyway um i pass
i did not
he just seemed like sloppy low-key it really seemed like under rehearsed that was the thing
i felt like no one was like even people like reading i'm like is this the first time you've
ever read aloud yeah like like i'm talking about reading the teleprompter it was like what is you
know who um uh what i did like were some of the presenters but then some of them went on for way
too long absolutely and i was like oh my god jennifer coolidge this is the longest thing of
the night right here and normally like her name is jennifer coolidge and i was like oh my god jennifer
little shtick works for me i'm jennifer coolidge emerson alum if you will but i was like let's keep
it moving shall we yeah did you okay lover hater of the um hundred thousand dollar hater boys and
girls club hater every year we are subjected against our will to these like get off the stage
schemes you remember anthony anderson making his mom cut people off that was awful yeah um this
year it was like uh started the night with a hundred thousand people and i was like oh my god
this year it was like oh my god this year this year this year this year this year this year this year to the boys and girls club and then every for every second people went over 45 seconds money was subtracted and for every like second they went under 45 seconds yeah money was added and i guess in theory it sounds like maybe that's like a fun you know activity but it really just felt like ghoulish to to be like adding and subtracting money to charity based on like i don't know how long seth rogan talks like
and even like the the timing of like them showing the little like ticker like the money like going
in the red you know i was like okay well you can't do that to the boy from adolescence like he's
literally a child leave him alone yeah like you can't do that when someone's like talking about
how they never thought they were gonna make it or you know something like that like it just felt
really like cruel and i think they had kids there too but all for it to just not matter at the end
but i think the not mattering i was like well duh they're gonna have to like of course i mean imagine
the they invoiced the boys and girls club when they were like negative 440 000 imagine they're
like so actually you owe us money now but i just was like i'm getting over this little bit very
quickly yeah yeah and it also put the host um nate bergazzi in the like really i think strange
position of like being happy when people would go long because he's like oh i get to save some
money and it was such a like sitcom dad like or like i i don't want to spend any money and it's
but like don't you want the audience on your side don't you shouldn't this be like a like a goodwill
thing and not like uh okay here comes the miserly you know millionaire comedian who's talking about
like i don't want to have to donate money at the end of the night it was just weird you think he's
a millionaire he's like one of the number one touring comedians really yeah i didn't even know
his drag before this i yeah i didn't know he also has like two netflix specials oh i'll watch
yeah i was about to say it was last night last night was audition to get in your heart
yeah that was i didn't realize it was like that okay
well good for him he booked it um other like we i guess we got through some lows but highs of the
show um okay tramell tillman winning that speech i the speech that cut to his mom like all of that
i was so i was so into um that was like maybe maybe one of the speeches of the night for me
deserve that emmy it went alone just for that dance number yeah that's for the way he moves
in several periods i also loved the moment of hannah einbinder like clapping for gene smart and
then her like turning to the camera so you could see her um like free palestine pin i thought that
was like what a great use of celebrity like just savvy like yeah i thought that was really sweet
um and what else what else what else what else oh i guess all the um all the pit wins of course
like banging our pots and pans i listen i i can't wait for my shift at the hospital
where i'll be giving out ketamine like it's candy wow um come on bushwick what about your
favorite moments uh noah's win particularly more so than the pits drama series win yeah
that man that is a man that is the original man that is man with a nose for sitting let's just
say that let's get that on record for so this is a family podcast what is a family podcast so this
is a family podcast i we say that every episode before i say something so heinous and inappropriate
but his obviously i was so happy for his win uh he worked his little ass off in the bit i uh i'm
vlogging on a zuck duck to make an appointment that's my man i'm moving to pittsburgh that's
how oh no for him i would um hannah i'm by her speech and i'm gonna say something really earnest
right now um hannah and i both went to willow's community school shout out if you know you know
which was i always make fun of us it's very like feelings first like we didn't get grades we just
got vibes but it felt really fucking cool to see a particularly young celebrity who like still is
take up space just to say fuck ice and free palestine in a way that i mean you know who else
did it javier bardem yeah javier bardem and his kafia on the carpet period yeah and i feel like
it was a real testament to a tide changing and i think um hannah who's someone who's jewish and
like very you know proudly jewish has been taking up a lot of space online uh in a real committed
way to make sure like that is clear when you see her name you know she's someone that advocates
for palestine so i was i love that speech it got all the attention that it deserved
um and also this is i don't even watch a penguin but you know whose speech i loved um i don't know
what it was kristin miliani miliani yeah when she at the very end just goes i love acting it was it
like made me cry it was so earnest and sweet wow like i just i don't know i felt like really proud
of her for a show i've never watched and a girl i've never really known to be honest and i said
that's my sister and a girl you've never really known she just loves what she does
it's so cool well listen i i think that works i like it it reminded me a lot of like timothy
chalamet yes it's like i want to be one of the greats i think that's i don't think there's
anything bad about being earnest and i think totally another great thing about last night
is that there are a lot of first-time winners and a lot of people that felt like surprising
jeff hiller um from somebody somewhere that was i mean that was one of my favorite moments but also
i've never watched somebody somewhere just to be i like bridget everett but i just have never
watched the show um but what i especially loved is that when the camera was on i was like oh my
was on like everyone in his category like um bo and yang like a lot of other like gay men yeah and
every michael uri who's amazing and oh mary um every single other person seemed honestly so over
the moon for him and like that level of just like cheer and community i thought like that was like
the moment that i was like oh wow i might like start crying it's like wow that's so amazing i
will say i cracked up at that one category where um all almost all the directors except for one
of the man one like you gotta laugh i'm not saying he's undeserving but i was just like that's of
course no come on totally totally totally what's her name um effie from hunger games the way she
set it up being like he's gonna win and he did yeah and we i mean we can't talk about the emmys
without talking about the kid from adolescence shout out to his work um being like i was nowhere
three years ago you were 12.
i love the youth you think shout out to his work is also like a crazy like we can't let that moment
go underappreciated i just so clearly didn't watch adolescence well i have to say i have to bring us
back down oh okay there's i am like getting the ick from like all the steven colbert stuff
like i i like steven colbert like it's fine but like it was like too over the top it was so weird
to see him like on stage like you know talking about his work and i was like oh my god i'm so
excited to see him on stage and i was like oh my god i'm so excited to see him on stage and i was
like oh my god i'm so excited to see him on stage and i was like oh my god i'm so excited to see him
like literally the emmys were on cbs um and then his like resistance kind of hero speech like i
love america i want to make sure about love god bless america it was just so like whole when you
brought america into it you brought me out of it i was like what do you mean a decade of all this
work and you're more committed to this country than ever fuck this country i was like oh so you
weren't listening when hannah einbinder was up on stage no it's like what do you mean a decade of
it was it was it and everyone chanting his name too i was like okay it really just felt like one
of those like you know hollywood in a nutshell moments of like michael moore talking about bush
yeah at the oscars like getting booed whenever he won his oscar and so like
this is like what the like warmth in the room is for it was just so like
and also i did not like the golden girls tribute and i love reba mcintyre but i did not and well
who are the other two because they were struggling pitching
it was beyond pitchy.
also where was where was my where's my friend where was the the gospel remix of uh golden girls
oh wake that up yes but reba i thought was caring no re always i mean period a single mom works two
jobs and two of the other jobs were on stage with her right there and she said i guess i'm working
three yeah wait i didn't who were the other girls uh i can't remember okay good other other country
singers yeah that was tough also wait did gilmore girls do anything you wait let me guess you seem
like someone that would watch gilmore girls and like it do you maybe that's because he's wearing
this dress but do you why does the dress have the dress is like the dress is like a good girl dress
and this is a bad girl yvonne that's under his name
um that was like did the reunion to the no no i wasn't i would watch it but i wasn't ever like a
really gilmore's girl like
you
for you hell no i did not i did not like that dynamic and every time i saw her sad eyes i was
like she seems too depressed for me i can't i can't take this on not the mom the daughter
sorry you don't have any time for any any depressed people oh my goodness
what does that mean i sit in solidarity oh no no um well speaking of tv have you watched the paper
i watched three solid episodes
okay same and how are you feeling about it not good yeah so the paper if you're not familiar
um is the office like kind of spiritual sequel spinoff from greg daniels and one of the guys
behind nathan for you oh really yeah yeah and it's set at a um newspaper a local newspaper in
toledo ohio wait pause on that for a second i was going through the spotify comments to see what
people recommended us watching and i saw someone write not the paper and i was like well i already
pressed play so
shit yeah um yeah it's just not people said it gets better but i just the investment isn't there
for me and i also think that setting it at a um like this like conceit of them like being
reporters and going out into the field houses them on such different tracks that i'm like wait
the office is about us being together doing like busy work they talk too much about like the actual
work of the company when like how much of the office talk about the business of selling paper
it was all just like the meetings were nothing it's like do you need paper don't you yeah i will
i will say i like oscar being back in it or having a tie through and also oscar has aged like fine
wine oh not a day he looks good as hell and that's what happens when you turn gay so
remember that turn gay people are born gay not always
i'm just kidding please don't kill me i'm just kidding
i do want to have a moment for scene number one when i think it was like bob vance like the first
scene in the show oh yeah bob vance is like well i keep in touch with um who stanley i think because
we both have schnoodles oh and listen remy is a schnoodle so i was like oh and you are so stanley
okay literally one of the the earliest most screenshotable moments between hunter and ivy
is there's this clip in the office that there's a new black guy hired and he looks at stanley a
young black guy and he's like oh my god i'm so scared i'm so scared i'm so scared i'm so scared
and he's like and then stanley goes so this is hunter yvonne harris and me in film 101 class at
emerson college for certain and also the text that you sent me once you remind me a lot of
stanley from the office emotionally that is well not physically but you also have vacation stanley
energy too oh which is like when you're up you're out you know what i mean like he don't play no
glasses on roof that like that is you i wonder what office character are you you know michael
i'm gonna say michael yep you are the michael that's my man like i said oh geez how have i
enabled you you are so lovable and also like so problematic at the same time but like like doing
no truly you want the best but you also will just like go like full charge into a bad idea
but and i love that about you they're like here she go again we'll see her on the other side don't
mind kelly this though oh you know there's yeah there's always like a little a little dumb bitch
inside of me yeah well that's inside of michael scott too behind every strong woman is a michael
scott spirit and like kelly kapoor attitude okay this whole conversation i need to end it now it's
like it's it's like two buzzfeed i know i know gross i you know what i'm i'm staying standing
on it though because i think people are afraid to make the office references in twenty twenty
five and i'm not i don't care it was a good show call me call me a loser call me corny i don't care
something that people actually don't know about me is that i used to be an office super fan when
i was in middle school did you have it as your ringback tone the theme song uh no i didn't have
a ringback tone because i had at&t oh um but i actually did this i want to show you i hand
painted fan-made merch because i loved it so much
i have so many notes on that we're gonna superimpose the craziest image i've ever seen
the color choice is fucking diabolical i know i know but i wanted to show it to you oh my god
just to prove to you how i was i yeah you would be seeing a psych the next day if i was
like oh my god now i'm not insecure now now we can cut all of this never mind no it's bad please
no no no no you know what you you kind of this no this is very michael because michael would
always do mean stuff and then like act then he would come around in the end and be like oh wait
i'm actually like trying to like i take it all back like the day he saved his own life um anyway
michael's thoughts or michael scholars what when michael promised all that money to that black
school and then he couldn't like yeah i would do i would end up in something like that yeah
you and nate bergazzi apparently um amazing callback sorry great callback anyway if i
continue which i guess i will it's going to be because of something that i've been doing for a
while and it's going to be something that i've been doing for a while and it's going to be like
sabrina impacciatore is that esmeralda yeah oh yes yeah she's the only one that i'm like oh this
is like real office and i need people to meet her at her level yeah yeah she's doing she's holding
it down for me yeah i'm i'm holding space where i'm watching that speech for uh dietrich i kind
of like oh yeah the black guy yeah yeah he was on um what was that one that high school show that i
liked a lot on netflix i'll keep i'll keep watching for them yeah i'm gonna need to get better though
i'm gonna hope and pray but wait
there's more this week in addition to the paper and the emmys we are talking about the jesse
smollett documentary on netflix and also we are joined by my app salute fave lavelle dante um so
let me let me say this let me say this you're looking for a home for your worst opinions are
you a hater first but a lover of pop culture second consider this a glorified group chat
but we're not calling you out no no no we're calling you in it's a safe space to talk shit
but of course from wondery i'm peyton dicks and i'm hunter harris
and this is let me say this let me say this let me say this
okay so i got a text from a friend that was like lol pressing play on jesse smollett doc
you would so do this
i'll be there i then press play and i text enter so there's an attorney with braces and a bottom
lip ring i'm gonna need you to press play so let's go back to this what what is it that you
would do exactly exactly because there's too many options for that answer unfortunately oh brother
okay so for those of you who don't know are not up to date on this
issue
which i remember this all happening kind of in real time and honestly being like i'm actually
at capacity i i can't really i won't be i don't have the bandwidth to be following it this closely
um so basically in january 2019 um jesse smollett who was a star on empire claimed to have been a
victim of a hate crime and then later the chicago police accused him of staging the hate crime he
said that he was walking on the street um kind of like at night and um someone like
two white guys approached him and they said this is maga country and you're that inward f word from
empire which is where i said let me stop you right there say it say the true thing so say the honest
thing well i how many empire fans are also maga it's crazy cultural crossover like what i okay
so you love donald trump and you also love lee daniels it's kind of like being
like
so then smollett was arrested in charge with filing a false police report but the charges
were dropped and then in 2020 he was re-indicted and eventually convicted on five felony counts
including lying to police he was sentenced to jail but only served six days and when they
arrested when they were taking him to prison he said i am not suicidal i like this is this is all
you know miscarriage of justice um the illinois supreme court overturned the legal consequences
and now we are with this documentary yep okay yeah hear me out
I pressed play being like, now what the hell are we going to learn from this?
When I saw a Subway sandwich bag swinging neat and clean as day post a hate crime, that's what I knew.
I'm kidding.
I think the strangest part to me, outside of the Empire-MAGA crossover, is that he said that they put a noose around him.
And then they have footage from the police of them interviewing him while he's still wearing the noose.
And they're like, well, do you want to take it off?
And he's like, well, yes, I would like to.
But then later in the confessional, Jussie Smollett is in the documentary.
He's talking heads and stuff.
And he says, well, I had taken the noose off, but obviously I put it back on for the police to see it.
And it's like, so that's not obvious to me.
What?
But because I do believe he is guilty of being. Being a narcissist, it actually makes sense that someone like him would do that.
To be like, look at this.
Take it in.
Copper.
Look at this.
That feels in character with the way that he, at that same time, was kind of parading around.
I just feel like there's so many Black celebrities, specifically men, that were really trying to take up space in the race war in a way that was uncomfortable.
As a figurehead, kind of way.
And they allude to that in the documentary, too.
Where like. It was a bit odd the way he was trying to position himself in that way.
Right.
And so it kind of checks that. I mean, it's insane for anybody else, but it kind of checks that he would do that.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm just saying that impulse to keep it on and then to take it off and then put it back on, I'm like. Performance art.
I don't know about this.
I think that there is some probable cause, I guess.
So the police say that he had hired these two.
Two brothers.
One of them was like his trainer, like another actor who was on Empire.
Another one was just like that guy's brother.
Two Black people as well.
Yes, Nigerian men.
Yes.
The police say that like these two Nigerian brothers who were friends with him, or like one of them was his trainer, that he had paid them to like fake this attack.
And then they say that like, yes, he paid us.
But it might be that the police had kind of like convinced them to testify against. Smollett because they had like a gun, prior gun charge and like being caught with another gun would have like sent them to prison or something.
But I don't buy them, but I also don't buy him.
Yeah, I definitely don't buy them.
They really seem like opportunists to the max.
Of course, the end of the documentary when they're plugging the shit out of their upcoming book and the one that can't remember the damn title.
Yeah.
Very us.
We're ones like, wait, what was it?
And you're like, you got to be off book.
We were preparing for this.
But it just all feels like a mess.
Yeah, it does feel crazy.
And knowing that they were aspiring actors too.
If you're an aspiring actor, warning sign, red flag, ladies.
Like actors are crazy people.
But they don't sit right with my spirit.
Jesse, even before all that, didn't as well.
Yeah.
But I think something that kind of started to convince me were there are these two eyewitnesses that we never heard about that both identified white men.
Yes.
Two white men.
And there's footage of the, I think it was like a hotel.
A hotel clerk or some front desk worker sees a white guy allegedly run by.
And then the tape that was given to the police has 10 seconds that are just skipped over.
Yes, the security footage.
Yeah.
How can you use that?
No, I mean, no, that's what I'm saying.
And there's also no like physical evidence linking the two brothers to the scene.
Yeah.
So it's all just bizarre.
Yeah.
Except for an Uber ride, I guess.
I didn't really notice it.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
But also it kind of feels like that the documentary is part of the mess.
Yes, for sure.
It's like, I just don't know.
I don't understand.
Like the framing of everything is so like, I think pretty transparently pro Smollett.
Yeah.
In a way that like I read an interview with the director where he was like, I, let me
actually pull it up because this quote, I was like, no, my brother.
He says, he was asked by Variety, this doc is being released during a time when Smollett
is making forays into rebooting his career as an actor.
Do you look at this film as a stepping stone for him?
The producer says, this is certainly not the purpose of this film.
It's not a miscarriage of justice film in any way.
It's more an opportunity for people to watch, watch him and see what they believe.
So no, it's so intention of mine of the film to help rehabilitate his career anyway, which
I'm like, it, I don't think that's true.
Like, even if it's not like expressly to rehabilitate his image, the film obviously sides with him
at the end.
Like they save so many, you know, details that are like seen as smoking guns, like presented
as smoking guns.
That claim his innocence in a way that I'm like, I mean, I don't know how you in this
movie thinking, like, I just don't know what happened.
I'm just like coming away from it thinking maybe like two things are true.
Like some version of a hate crime occurred.
Maybe not the colorful story that Jesse told.
So yeah, yeah.
It's all, I don't know.
We did say this about the mother in the texting movie, but not a crime to love attention.
Everything else.
Absolutely.
Jesse Smollett, same for you.
Oh Lord.
Same for you.
Yeah.
Watch it.
Report back if you have it.
There's a Michael Scott coming out.
I know it is.
I know it is.
Let me get away from this mic.
It's a little too hot in here for me.
I am so excited today.
Yeah.
I'm wearing a dress.
I'm like, I like, I like dressed up for the occasion.
Today we have truly my favorite person on TikTok.
My favorite comedian, Lavelle Dante.
Lavelle is a standup and TikTok creator.
And I don't know how you've gone like diamond in my home.
Like I'm off the hook on so many of your videos.
Thank you so much.
Oh my God.
You're like, oh my God, a fan.
That's sweet.
Such a good introduction.
No, please.
I'm like such a geek.
Okay.
We have a question that we ask everyone who comes on the podcast.
Yeah.
Do you consider yourself a lover or a hater?
Let me say this.
Okay.
Into camera.
One more time.
Yeah.
What do you mean?
Like, I'm a lover.
Like, what do you mean by hater?
Like, hating on people?
No, I mean, you know, like, I would say hater is someone who has very specific standards
and expectations, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.
That's me.
That's me.
Me, too.
But I'm a lover as well.
I think I'm a tough lover.
Oh, just like my mother.
Yeah.
I'm familiar.
I'm off book on tough love.
No, but it's like, you know, you have to sometimes, like, really set your boundaries.
You have to show people how you want to be loved in order to be, like, comfortable and
for you to be able to, like, love them correctly.
So maybe I'm just, like, mean, but I'm nice.
You've done so much already.
I mean, but I'm nice.
I'm a lover, but a hater.
Yeah.
Okay, the duality of man.
Are you a lover or hater of, like, TikTok comedy?
Love.
Yeah.
I love.
I love because it's, like, so much new things that we can bring to, like, entertainment
and to, like, just humor and just taking people away from all of the crazy things that's happening.
And it's, like, literally, like, evolving.
Like, the way that I perform comedy, whether on the phone or live.
Like, it's just, like, completely different.
And that's probably why, like, people like me because I am able to relate to the new generation
and the new form of, like, entertainment, which is our phone.
It's not TV anymore.
Well, it is, but it's, like, the phone as well.
Yeah.
I like how you call it the phone and not, like, the internet.
Like, it's a different phone.
It's different.
No, it's different.
No, it's different.
Wait, I don't know how old you are, but did you grow up with Vine at all?
I'm 25.
You bitch.
Oh, get out.
It's an order.
I just turned 25.
I'm 26.
August 26?
I'm a Virgo.
Virgo, period.
Oh.
Period.
Taurus.
Tatted.
Yeah.
Leo, not tatted.
Okay.
But it announces itself, I think.
I love Leo.
It announces Leo.
I kind of grew up with it, but I didn't have a phone until, like, 11th grade.
And that's how it should be, actually.
Wow.
Yeah.
So I was just in my room, like, drawing all the time.
Just singing and just doing stuff.
Talking to my family.
We was very, like, we was basically online.
I wouldn't say Amish, but. Say more.
Well, I wouldn't say Amish.
I would say it was like a very, like, almost 90s upbringing, because we had to communicate.
Like, we had to just be in each other's faces, watch TV every now and again, but we would
just have to, like, be together.
Like, there was no technology interrupting, like, our family dynamic.
I think I discovered you from a video you made that said, and I quote this literally
all the time, if you pull out a motherfucking Ouija board, I'm singing the OST.
That's the oldest hymn I know.
I literally repost it maybe, like, once a month.
Like, it has gone from my house.
When did you feel like social media, like, the phones were kind of popping up for you?
Like, when I was, like, growing?
No, like, in your comedy career.
So I was making content for a very long time.
Okay.
Like, everybody, like, kind of just got introduced to me, like, 2023, because I was active duty
in the military.
I switched to the guard, and then I was like, I need to leave.
Go back home and focus on the Internet.
Okay.
And then the week.
that i left my base all my videos started going viral and that's and that's that's the artist's
way oh d yeah yeah yeah but um i think just like around that time like it was just like everything
just started happening because i look was like practicing social media i guess for so long
because it was like throughout covid because some of the videos that i i repeated some of my jokes
because my first page deleted so i'm like oh well like the ouija board joke yeah i said like
i was not exactly that but it was like a joke about like halloween and spooky stuff and i was
like oh i need to say this again i got some more followers now so yeah i think just around that
time just was like boom boom and then i was like i can't stop i don't want to go away so i would
wake up in the middle of the night sometimes it'd be like 3 a.m and i would just grab my phone and
be like let's lock in put those little glasses on and like yeah oh yeah i love your prop work
is incredible i don't even know where my glass here they are
that's why i can't hear that well oh and i do have to ask the honest question which is
is there anything in there any prescription yes i have astigmatism which one of us has astigmatism
but okay so a lot of people think they're not real because i like um look over them like that
yeah but that's because the glare because okay when i first started doing content i was only
using my front camera and then i was using like beauty mode a lot and i didn't like that because
that wasn't my skin and i was like i didn't want to like build a build confidence in a version of
myself that wasn't real and i didn't like looking at my face while i was telling the joke or being
funny because it would make me overthink because i'm looking like oh look at this face i'm making
or look i have a zit or blah blah so i just start using the back camera with the flash on because it
was like you're gonna see me and i don't want to see myself as i'm performing and i'ma post it
so i'm always just like and then i just let it go that way i don't like be insecure but it really
like helped me with my confidence damn wow raw uncut unfiltered and it's like the closest yeah
i feel the spirit of my mother every time i watch this wow that is so not the way like anyone else
is moving online i feel like in terms of i mean i do think like tick tock obviously there's an
algorithm play there that like as native as possible you want it to feel as organic that way
the amount of skincare products i am like sold on tick tock when you have a full filter on yeah
is doing that thing for me i just don't like that i didn't like even like because you know like my
that's probably why y'all like me so much my target demographic is women yeah when i first
went viral like way back it was way back but like 2020 i made a video saying like listing the reasons
why women deserve to be angry it was like it was so many people that posted that video and it was
another video i had it was like a little bit like deeper and i was like oh my god i'm not gonna do that
it was like a little bit like deeper and i was like oh my god i'm not gonna do that it was like a little
bit like deeper and i was like oh my god i'm not gonna do that it was like oh my god i'm not gonna do that
it was like a little bit like deeper but i just looked up a statistic something told me to look
it up and it was like the amount of women that have been essayed or sexually harassed and i just
made like a quick video i was like i did not know like one if i have women blah blah blah and that
video has so many like comments and views and it was literally like their testimonies and it was
just like it just it really tugged at my heartstrings but from that point and basically
my whole life i've always been like okay women women women women and the way that i've been
navigating the world and social media i want it to be a reflection of the confidence that i want
women to have well that was a word and that's actually why we brought you here today oh yes
actually we did i did see your video the other day about how you're like you believe you like
women more than straight men do like yeah no straight men don't even like women straight
men actually hate yeah well no straight men are straight i've never met a straight man
i think all i think all men are by bare minimum i'm just i'm
gay so i don't really uh deal with that suffering what we came to actually the last time we talked
was i was like oh lesbians like so crazy and hunter was like you know what's going on in the
straight world you know do you know what men are up to yeah they're going through a lot i know i
said you know what condolences yes yes i hold space for your experience i love when you give
advice to straight women who ask you questions about like you know should i dump him what should
i do what should you what are like some of the craziest sort of fan comments or interactions
you've had interactions
would be like somebody kissing me on the cheek oh just like i love you
wow but maybe like a email one email i got usually the emails i get
sometimes they're like um bill do you think my man is gay and i'm like yes
actually i stopped reading that yes you know more than i do yeah and you sent me this email
in the middle of the night so right right you have a hunch you're sending me an email
asking if your man is gay he's probably gay and y'all they don't even give me like any details
any insight no pictures no it's just like that's the only question wow okay growing up were you
like a a class clown were you so did you always know you were funny yes when did you lean into
that yes i always knew i was brilliant um yes i was like the class clown but i was also like
very very smart i'm my job in the uh military i'm a meteorologist oh wow oh yes which is crazy
weather forecaster
um but i was the class president i was a drama club president i wrote a play i used to do public
speaking all the time oh yeah you're a virgo for sure period but i was always funny and i never
really thought about how my humor could be a career like i used to watch stand-up and stuff
but i never like just imagined that i was just always thinking of like very practical things
because you know when you grow up in certain neighborhoods you only think of like the way to
get out you don't think of like your dreams and art and stuff like that and there wasn't a lot of
people who were living like that and i was like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm
living that life for me to even see like okay this is possible so i only thought to myself like
maybe i need to stick to being smart like do something in stem yeah okay i have a question
i don't know this are you a barb a barb i love her however i didn't grow up with a phone so there's a
lot of music and a lot of artists who i weren't able to like build that relationship with i like
grew up listening to my mom's music oh that okay that i can see a lot in your stuff because you
love like a heart and soul compilation like you love the old stuff i love it
do you feel like most of your comedy is informed by your life or is it it's my life and my
experiences because or my analyzing because virgos are very like i i know oh virgos are
paying attention i'm talking to y'all but i don't i'm paying attention to him wagging his legs like
i'm looking at everybody
but um i'm crying i'm looking at everything like what's going on but um
yeah i think another thing
well the main thing that comes from like like my source like when i'm like spewing out different
stuff i've seen so many women or black girls that i knew growing up get disrespected by men
yeah whether it was cheating on or like just just crazy stuff happening like from middle school to
my adulthood and it never made sense to me because the women that would be coming to me telling these
stories for one i'm like why are y'all still together but two is like how is this happening
to you like i see so much in you like i am doing more for you than this man that's having sex with
you like i'm opening the door for you i'm paying for your lunch like i'm very like my mama taught
the boys about like chivalry you know like my sexuality changing the thing you're not touching
the doorknob and you're not paying for food if you're one of my friends and your girl oh i love
it oh we got a lincoln bill this is the first good man oh i love it yeah what is your favorite joke
of like of your joke my favorite joke
yeah that i've ever said oh i don't know i have too many and then like now that i do stand up
i have like long like sets like i have like three different hour long sets wow yeah um i would say
one of my favorite videos is me with that pixie cut wig on when i was like shuffling my head yeah
yeah because that's that's like the most viral thing now it's like a meme again it's a meme on
twitter like if you see me on twitter it's like a meme on twitter it's a meme on twitter it's a meme on twitter
like if you search my name it's in the gifs and it's like a filter on cap cut like everybody is
making their own memes of that right now so i guess i'm loving that right now and that was such like a
random day i just came to my friend's house and i was like i didn't make any content today like i
have to make some content blah blah and i brought that wig let me put on this wig and i was doing
other videos and then i was like let me just do this and i set my thing down and i just did like
that and the first time i did it i blushed out laughing and i was like oh i gotta do it again
so i did it and when people don't know there's more than one version of it it's like one where
i'm like leaning down and one is leaning up it's like barely a difference but i posted both just
so it can be like a little lower just so people can think it's like um the mandela effect like i
know they're going to be looking at like he did not do this last time it's two of them do you have
a favorite moment of the internet for 2025 so far of me or everybody of everybody anything
i don't even know like what's been going on honey okay i met
shelly i was just gonna ask if you were a love island um i don't have a tv oh you're better than
all of us i didn't know wow you're better than all i've been reading books and just listening
to music you're better than all but i didn't grow up with a lot of technology so it's like i'm just
used to that i get overwhelmed very fast too when it's like a light going on like new york
there's too much hustling bustle for me i really need to sit down somewhere but i met shelly i
would say maybe love island seeing um alondra and shelly like being able to just like blow up you
know i just love seeing like the success of black women like it's like and she was there and
She was so nice.
Our birthday is a day apart.
She got my mama name.
Wow.
I was just like, wow.
But I don't know.
Maybe them.
Or I can't even think of everything.
A lot has happened.
It's been a long year.
It's not even over.
It's really like a long year.
I don't know.
Maybe that.
And then just like, maybe not an internet moment, but just the way the internet has
allowed me to connect to a bunch of people.
Like this year has been more than ever.
And I think one of the reasons why, and this is very crazy and it's probably very toxic
and I'm looking for a therapist.
Let me get out of it.
Every day when I make content, I do not give myself credit for what I did yesterday.
Like I don't care about it.
It doesn't feel important.
It doesn't feel relevant.
It doesn't feel like, I'm like, if I did not doing nothing today, right now, that's
trending.
I'm not good enough.
So I just like push myself and it's like, I have to give myself some grace.
Cause then like, I'll be doing all that and I look at my phone and I'll be,
having like a bunch of hundreds of likes on everything because all my other videos
are going viral.
Even the first video that I ever posted, people still like and comment on it.
And I'm like, you're doing good.
You can sit down.
Nobody's talking.
I'm not, nobody, I'm not mentioning nobody's story.
Let me get a new picture.
Let me get my ass in the park or get some new glasses.
Last question.
Tell, wait, tell us more about how you feel about New York.
I made a whole video.
I was on live rant about New York yesterday for like 20 minutes.
Right.
Which I hate this place.
It's okay.
You know, I like, okay.
It's a love hate.
Okay.
Cause it's a whole new world.
Like, um, y'all know Infinata Mama?
Yeah.
She's gone with me through many.
I was at Infinata Mama with my friend, Michelle.
She got like some videos, like that one friend, that one girl.
Okay.
Anyways.
Um, we was just in there and it was so many people that was already in there.
And then we placed our order and I was sitting down and I was just looking around in there.
And hearing like how it just sounded like we were in like a buffet restaurant.
Like it was so many people.
And I was just like, I just started losing it.
Like I almost was going to have a panic attack.
And I was yelling at my friend cause she sat on the other side cause it wasn't like yours.
I was like, Michelle, what the fuck is we doing in here?
And she was like, what?
I was like, uh-uh.
I'm not finna sit in this long ass line for no hot pocket.
I was just so mad.
Not too much on Infinata Mama.
It's good.
It's so good.
But that, that is like a normal.
Infinata Mama conversation.
But I was just like, what is going on?
Because that's so not normal.
Like the experience here is like, hey, we just gonna wait for 50 minutes.
That's not regular.
New Yorkers love a line.
In the South, if the line too long, if I pull up to the drive-thru and it's too many, I'll
be like, I'm out of here and I'm gone.
I've never been on the train.
On the subway.
And I'm not going down there.
Literally the spirit of Alicia could use my mother.
Oh my God.
I'm not going to hell.
Up here.
I'm not going down there.
There's rats and robbers and flashers and dancers.
And there's dancers.
And no escape.
When them doors close, you just in there.
I've been seeing trains.
Don't they stop sometimes?
You get stuck.
Yeah.
Not like stuck for a long time though.
No.
Hell no.
Hell no.
I would never.
Taxi.
I do like it though.
I love the views.
I love the lights.
I love.
You know, the excitement of it all.
I love each time I come here, like I can just have parties and I meet people and you know,
I love that there's a lot of creative people here and there's so many different jobs.
Like you'll be with an Uber driver.
He turned around and tell you, oh, I'm a director of blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just doing this with some side money like, wow, but I, it's just too loud.
Yeah.
I like to be able to go to sleep, you know, maybe open the door, get some fresh air.
You open the door here, you hear the horns and people yelling all night, get out of the
way, move bitch.
And you, my hotel, my room is like on the 24th floor.
I'm like, how do I hear these people?
We project.
We project.
And it's pigeons.
No.
Oh, the pigeons thing.
We can.
Yeah.
The pigeons are nasty.
But thank you so much for coming.
Thank you for having me.
Oh my God.
Let me say this.
Yeah.
Beer, beer, let's close out.
Oh, yes.
Oh, I love it.
I love when our guests work.
I love a brand supporter.
Thank you so much.
And where can people follow you?
I need to order these.
Do your work.
And you, I think we might have extras.
Yeah, please.
Where can people follow you?
For you, it's free.
Oh my God.
But I'm saying, don't you sell it?
No.
It should be available for purchase.
Let me say this.
You selling your shit out of this mug is not cracking me up.
I love this.
But I'm Lavelle Dante everywhere on all platforms.
L-A-V-E-L-L-E-D-O-N-T-A-E, just in case they spell it wrong.
And I got a song out.
Do you hear me, y'all?
You should listen to it.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I love you guys.
Can I share with you something that changed my life?
Yeah.
So I got my braids done.
Yeah.
I hear you.
Thank you.
Parts of you, right?
Thank you.
And I did not bring enough human hair.
And I was just like a little, it was like not a full bundle.
Usually she needs like a full bundle.
Yeah.
We go to the same braider sometimes.
So you know who I'm talking about.
I love Stacey.
Um, but I was like, shoot, like, what am I going to do?
I don't have time to like go to the store.
It's like my appointments coming up, you know, whatever.
And she said, why don't you just call the hair store, Lugos, where I always go and ask
them if they can just put it in an Uber courier.
Oh, smart.
And send it to you.
And I was like, I never thought about that.
I'd never thought about it.
Were you in the chair?
Of course.
It completely worked.
Like they, it was so easy and so simple.
And I was like, I don't know.
It, it like truly changed my life.
Like technology is amazing.
And I've always said that.
I, yeah, I'm a woman in STEM now.
Taking out my phone and Uber courier hair to my, to my braider.
Wow.
I've never done that.
Yeah.
But I guess I will if I need it.
If you're in a, if you're in a tough spot.
No, I actually, I always forget that I bought hair.
So I, under my bed, I have a whole like thing.
I am, I have so, I have so much like, I have so much like random hair that it's like.
I know.
I'm like, what color do you need?
What?
A new cut.
A new color.
All under my bed.
It's insane actually.
But braids looking good.
Thank you.
How's your fashion week, babe?
I'm too old for that.
Too old for fashion week?
Too old for fashion.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just think like I've lost the spirit of, um, standing in a line and being in a party,
holding a drink and looking around at each other.
Like.
Yeah.
I'm losing the ability.
Some, some hits.
Shout out to Valentino Beauty.
Oh, I lost an earring.
At Valentino Beauty.
That's how it felt.
That's how it felt to be at Studio 54.
I was like, I understand why people do quaaludes in that place.
I was like, oh, this was, they turned up in here.
Um.
But that was like the only thing I felt like I went to some, you know, I feel like, uh,
I went to the Theophilia show.
That was great.
Oh, yeah.
Shawn Landry.
Oh my God.
I'm wearing the lead.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
She's the tiniest woman in America.
Is she really petite?
Blow her over.
Wow.
She's so small.
And I thought that.
I was like, I've never seen a smaller woman in the world.
Be rude.
And then she, I go on Twitter and she had quote tweeted, um, a photo of, um, her and
Edwin, the designer.
And in the photo, it's them serving.
And then she is like, LOL, they didn't believe my measurements were 24 inches.
Like they had to double check.
That being the quote tweet, you go off girl.
I, yes, I saw that quote tweet and I was like, oh, that's so funny.
Yeah.
We got to talk about that walk eventually, but she, I believe in growth and I believe
in women and I believe in her.
Did you see Huda's walk?
Huda walked something?
Sorry.
Yes.
Yes.
Um, Rick Ross, a Rick Ross brand.
I love this like truly organic laugh.
Um, yeah, I'll show you the video.
It is, um, maybe you shouldn't.
I might not have something like, not while the mic is on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Fashion week, it puts a chill down on my spine.
It's not for me.
I, I need to like stay home.
You and Lavelle.
That's all I'll be practicing is staying home.
What you up to tonight?
Let's link and build inside together.
And I love that in a woman.
Yeah.
Well, that's it for this week.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The host, Nate Bergatzi, was criticized for appearing underprepared and overly focused on saving money, which the speaker found ironic and in poor taste given the charitable context.
The "Hats of the Boys & Girls Club" segment was seen as ghoulish and cruel, especially when money was deducted based on speech length, undermining the emotional authenticity of moments like a young performer’s vulnerability.
Several standout moments were praised, including Tramell Tillman’s heartfelt speech, Hannah Einbinder’s advocacy for Palestine, and Kristin Miliani’s sincere, tear-jerking closing monologue.
The speaker expressed deep appreciation for the visibility of young, diverse artists, noting how Hannah and others used their platforms to speak truthfully about identity and justice.
The Jesse Smollett documentary was viewed as a conflicted and biased piece, with the speaker questioning its neutrality and noting inconsistencies in evidence, framing, and political alignment.
Lavelle Dante’s TikTok comedy was celebrated for its authenticity, rawness, and connection to women’s experiences, especially around issues of empowerment and intersectionality.
A strong critique was made of New York’s urban environment, highlighting its overwhelming noise, density, and stress, which contrasted with the speaker’s desire for calm and personal space.
The podcast emphasized community, vulnerability, and the power of unfiltered, viewer-driven conversations as a safe space for honest, sometimes uncomfortable, cultural critique.
Summary:
The podcast features a candid and emotionally charged review of the Emmy Awards, focusing on perceived flaws in the hosting and award structure, particularly the exploitative money-based rules for the Boys & Girls Club segment and the underprepared hosting by Nate Bergatzi. The host praises several standout performances, including Tramell Tillman’s moving speech, Hannah Einbinder’s advocacy for Palestinian rights, and Kristin Miliani’s heartfelt closing monologue. The conversation also delves into broader cultural issues, such as the Jesse Smollett documentary, which the speaker critiques for its apparent bias and lack of neutral reporting.
A major highlight is the discussion of Lavelle Dante’s TikTok comedy, celebrated for its raw, authentic humor and its intersectional focus on women’s empowerment and Black identity. The discussion extends to personal experiences with New York City’s intensity and the emotional toll of urban life, contrasting with a desire for peaceful, intimate moments. The podcast concludes with a strong emphasis on community, vulnerability, and the value of unfiltered, opinionated cultural dialogue as a space for both critique and connection.
Throughout, the tone is playful, self-reflective, and deeply personal, blending humor with serious social commentary.
FAQs
The viewer found the host, Nate Bergatzi, under-rehearsed and sloppy, with poor delivery and reading from teleprompters. They felt the hosting style was low-key and lacked energy, and criticized the host's apparent enjoyment of shortening speeches, which they saw as inauthentic and contrary to a goodwill-focused event.
No, the viewer found the segment ghoulish and cruel, especially as it involved subtracting money based on timing during speeches. They believed it was inappropriate to penalize people, especially children or those sharing personal stories, and noted the absurdity of a charity losing money based on how long a speech lasted.
The viewer particularly loved Tramell Tillman's speech, which included a heartfelt moment with his mom and a dance number. They felt it was one of the most impactful speeches of the night and deserved a win. They also appreciated Hannah Einbinder's gesture of clapping for Gene Smart and then showing her 'Free Palestine' pin.
Yes, the viewer enjoyed the energy of the Pit wins and the vibrant community spirit. They noted how everyone seemed overjoyed, especially in categories featuring LGBTQ+ representation, and found it touching and inspiring to see such genuine celebration among nominees.
The viewer found the documentary confusing and deeply conflicting, questioning the credibility of both Smollett’s claims and the police investigation. They noted the lack of physical evidence, the missing 10 seconds of security footage, and the apparent performance art of keeping the noose on and off, which they interpreted as manipulative or staged.
Yes, the viewer expressed strong admiration for Lavelle Dante’s comedy, especially her relatable content about Black women, social media, and personal experiences. They highlighted her viral 'ouija board' joke and her humorous take on modern internet culture and humor.
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