Friday Feedback! Revisiting Succession Comps, Ryen's Bulking & Hyperawarenes

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It sucks when I'm eating my lunch watching the third hour of the today show instead of listening to the pod. I'm all for it. If you guys want to do something crank out of that episode or two. I don't know what we talk about, Kyle. This is a big help. I need a wall, dude. I just need a wall. Tell me on what you're open right now. Go. Well, it's not baseball. Sorry, Jeff Fasten. What do I want to get off my chest? I don't know. I feel like I've said most of the things I wanted to say, but they're all soccer related. We have Big Cat on. This will already be out by that happen on the soccer show and I threw him my theory about how like everyone thinks soccer guy sucks, but actually like insecure football guy is the one that sucks the most. So I kind of like I did. I pitched that to him. He didn't love that though. He thought I was misunderstanding. He's like, well, football is a big deal. I'm like, no, I know that, but like no one's scared of it isn't. And so I think we were on the same page. So it did not. Maybe it wasn't good. It didn't hit. So it was a terrible open. Who knows, but that would have been my idea, but I've gotten most of my ideas off on that pod. So sorry, Kyle. Yeah, we could rank stuff for 20 minutes, maybe. I don't know. Like if it's a one off, we can do that properly. I love that. We could do show and tell. Actually, I've been asking to do show and tell for God knows how long I'm going to do show and tell. I'm going to I'm going to a great place for show and tell. I mean, you would be shot to go live. Some of these live somewhere. Yeah, we'll go live. Yeah, the line of love is we did it. We did a blind rank off air. Actually, it was hilarious. This is a while ago. We were just brainstorming but I don't think that works in audio format, really, you know, maybe make a good clip. So I don't know. Yeah, wait, what was the one? My friends on the on the show. I don't know. We could do like a show and tell with people. That'd be funny. Well, wait, the blind, bringing our model of ideas. What was the, what was the funny thing about the blind rank thing? Because you got cigarette. You were like, blind, right? It was things you couldn't live without. And so it was the things you couldn't live without. And then like I did everything and then cigarettes was it actually would put a great bit. Yeah, yeah, it was funny. Yeah, maybe we do a deep dive into the the frog room crew, you know, like who are they? Although, the kids you guys are anonymous. Yeah, yeah, the kids you guys are like begging. Like, why don't you ever talk about me? I'm like, I really don't know what to say, man. I don't think I just want to shoehorn you into stuff like that. So, you know, maybe a little slower summer episode. I don't know. I could just go more places. We could do some maybe a joint travelogue. I don't know. We got some new, where should we go? Yeah, we have to be like new England related. I don't know. VFW halfway between both of us. Yeah. I haven't hated one idea yet. All right. Also, we didn't really that Spotify, you know, that wasn't really like just like get on the mic anymore. I think when the company was younger, like the ringer was younger, they were trying things out. And then once, you know, shows got a little bigger and more established, there wasn't as much like, yeah, just go take a couple cuts. You know, so it's just my brain doesn't even go there anymore. Yeah. I would not mind at all. I would think it would be great. I think it would be hilarious, but I also don't blame you guys for being like, I actually don't feel like working an extra day that I don't have to. So it's up to you. You guys want to do it. You have my full blessing. He wouldn't be terribly hard to just hop on and do it over under properly, though. Yeah, but I kind of want you guys to have like a debate on something for eight minutes. Just two guys just exploring the pieces. But I don't know like what Kyle, like what what fires you up? Like, I guess 40 sports, but sports wise, you know, like what do we argue about? Yeah. I don't know. I don't even know what I would like if I was like to be like, Hey, actually, here's my Drake maze, not a top five quarterback. I don't want to make that happen. I mean, what do we want to do here? I'm not touching that with a tempo pole. Okay. Yeah. What if I mean, the thing that would be kind of funny, but it feels a little narcissistic. I mean, pitch it to you would be you guys talking about me for eight minutes, trying to guess. You would say that, right? No, but I mean, like, what does you like? What does he not like? And then trying to get it right like the roommate game? Oh, yeah. Well, you kind of have to be here for that to answer the questions. But yeah, best moments, worst moments with Ryan. That'd be cool. Yeah, I was it out. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot of lows though. I would, I would guess. I went every day where you didn't like working with me or you were like, not that I didn't work with you, but that whole whatever that debacle and the old miss one where I was caught smoking a cigarette outside with the guy who was like working there after they told me that you had 20 minutes worth of material with your guests. And then five minutes later, it's like, all right, we're doing life advice. I don't remember what was good. Was that just you and Van, you had 10 minutes and then you just decided to pull the trigger on life advice after like they just told me I had like almost 30 minutes, seven minutes past. And then I have to like run past everyone to the front of the stage. And then afterwards I was already so worried about it. And then she was like, yeah, Ryan wasn't super thrilled about that. I'm like, yeah, me neither. I mean, I guess, I guess I should have just hung out backstage the whole time. But I was just informed. We had a plethora of time. But that was that was probably a low. And that wasn't even really a you low. That show wasn't the best live show I've ever done. So it was it was the worst. No offense to yeah, everyone. Everyone for everyone. Yes, the worst. And it's not anyone's fault. It's not Ole Missus Ball. It's no certainly not anyone on the production side. Elizabeth is an absolute champ and everything. So I would hate. It just didn't work. It didn't work. The LSU travelers were going to get there late that night, right? Right. So like we miss that game. So we missed the LSU crowd. It was during the day. I desperately wanted to do a show from Ole Miss. And then it didn't work. And then Van's like dog ate a tennis ball. So like Van was going to be my buddy for the night. And then he couldn't even go to the game. He had to go back to LA. So that part of it sucked. And it was like, you know, you need the night. You need the night life to have those shows really work. You'd be doing something special with the liver during the day. And it was almost like an assembly the way it was set up because no venue wanted to give us. No one wanted to give us their venue for the night. Like, are you kidding me? Like one of the seven or eight home games we get. We're going to give you our fucking place on the Saturday night. Or he nuts. So it really wasn't even that it was a Friday too. I think it was the day before the game wasn't it? It was a Thursday. I believe right was a Thursday day. I believe only because only because we like the process of getting that show out. The show would like if we released it Friday afternoon it would suck and you can't something on a Saturday because it's going to be dated by then. So like we had to tape it early enough, but the game was obviously on a Saturday. I just don't think doing shows at games like that probably works too far away from the game time. Yeah, but right. And it was then I just was in Ole Miss for the rest of the time. And by the way, the Ole Miss people were incredible to me. We did go to that great bar. I had a slushy. I remember that. It was fun. Purple, great. I went out by myself after the game and it wasn't even close to like having. I ended up hanging out with that guy who everybody knows like a little bit because he knew all the LSU people that I knew and they were just doing the foam cup deal. You talking about your good friend Todd Graves? No, it wasn't. My best friend Todd Graves. It's not everybody's, but I mean he's definitely like Kings Read. I'm not being as plus one to the White Party. But yeah, I mean, look, I'd built up Ole Miss the whole thing and the fact that I didn't have any dudes and then it was over and then I was living in a strip mall and then I had to stay there. Like I stopped doing that thing where I would go to an SEC game and then to make sure the Monday pod was good and I'd watch everything on Sunday. I would watch everything on Sunday and I'd be in a room and then I would be leaving like the SEC town on a Monday night to get out of there and I don't think I'd do that anymore. All right, yeah. So there you go. Speaking of and our mod of ideas, this is a response. This is from a while back to the succession comps on the last Friday feedback. Jerry was spot on. I think Jerry. I think Jerry's awesome. So he's awesome. He's kind of hot. And kind of hot. Thanks. It's the reason he's hot. Who knows? So Rudy's wife is explaining. He's kind of hot. You remember like Jerry from succession. Yeah, just like that. Like you've ever seen Steve McLaughlin. I mean, different guy. Kyle's cousin Greg. No, no, but Ryan is one hundred percent Kendall. Ryan even tried to do a self-comp as Logan, which is an all-time Kendall move. It's a great. I don't think I'm like any of them. And by the way, Logan doesn't love his children. Like if there's one thing on all the rewatches, I cannot stop watching it. I just throw on episodes all the time. It's actually getting weird. But what you realize is Logan does not love the way a parent is ever supposed to love and then it's all manipulation on stuff. So I don't even think I'm a Logan really. So let's make the case for Kendall. Let me preface this by saying the characters on succession are objectively terrible people. So this isn't a one-to-one personality comp. Was Tom a terrible person? I don't think so. I think he was a greedy person, but I don't think that's regs him on the worst qualities, you know, an operator. Yeah. Yeah. You know, on some rewatches, socks is Rome. Roman socks. Oh, yeah. He's awful. Like when he brings Tabitha to fucking Tom's wedding. I mean, it's great television. Yeah. But I was sucks. And then the baseball game in the Hamptons when he likes to screw with that kid's head and like tore up a million dollar check it for him. I was like the episode one. I think that was tough. Yeah. I mean, he's funny at times, but I don't think everyone is like, hey, that's an awesome dude. No. All right. So so this is a one-to-one personality comp. I've been listening since day one. Ryan is generous loyal and genuinely compassionate person towards the people he cares about. This is strictly about the parallels. Wow. This is well-written. Ryan's the main character on the plot of the same way succession is mostly about Kendall's journey. Kendall lives in the shadow. It was far as father's larger than life president. Ryan constantly referencing and idolizing his dad's basketball prowess. It's all through the grit and height. Yeah. There's some parallels there. I think you could say that Logan is Kendall Zero. So I think that works. Both of them can have an occasional blind spots with self-awareness or social cues. The core's light situation still plays. Yep. That's fair. Career driven to a fall often sacrificing friends and family pursuit of something greater checks out. There are finity for rap sneaker streetwear fashion and basketball naming your son Iverson as a russula move. That is a factor. That's definitely not true. Yeah. Yeah. As much as I want that to be, that's not true. Yeah. That part is not true. By the way, him naming his kid the writing room to go, "What's Kendall's kid's name?" And they're like, "It's Iverson. It's so fucking perfect." Just so jealous of moments like that where you go like, "Hey, what would be the best worst name for his kid to give us another layer of Kendall?" He's going to name his kid Iverson. While Kendall's humor is more unintentional, both have dry humor that can go under the radar like Ryan when he was on with Bill. And finally, you're both the eldest boys. I am the eldest boy. My sister's like to make fun of me with that. But if I were ever Kendall, like if anybody looked at me as Kendall and my friend group, that would bump me out. That would definitely be like, uh, Kendall's coming. Yeah. I think there are some good points. There's some harshness of Logan. I think some people I think can see you as harsh. I don't think you are harsh, but I think some people can be intimidated by you. So I think you have that. Is there a little shiv in there, too? Or like, you can be like, she's kind of cold. Doesn't really, you know, especially I mean, be able to just think of the Tom relationships. Not a great life partner. Yeah. She's got some, she's good at some things, but she has, she also has some fine spots, some, you know, personal demand and open relationship marriage. Yeah. After you get married. Big Tom knew ahead of time, but Tom was ready to move. Remember, he starts talking about like, well, I can't, you know, there's some, I don't know that there's many Tom parallels because I just don't know that I could be that calculated in that phony. Although I love the idea of having a portrait. He's like, to a Saadi. Wasn't Tom's the classic guy who he's just trying to survive, man, like he's just trying to like, he's always like kind of, you know, he knows he doesn't belong. Yeah, he's going to do whatever you can. Superbrummed about the prenup, right? Ryan's cowherd voice. I'm sorry, I'm just keeping it moving. Did you have something else? No, that's it. Let's do the cowherd. Quick stats are no stats. Quick one. No stats is getting right to it. I am never happier listening to podcasts than when Ryan does his cowherd voice. Any story that includes cowherd already demands my intention, but Ryan's impression really is the cherry on the Sunday. Included is often as correct. All right. I loved doing the cowherd voice. We used to do it all the time in the hallway. I did it before we were friends. Don't know that he loved it. If I've learned anything, don't do impersonations of people in front of them that you're not friends with because they don't like it. But if you are friends, then you can do it. So you could say several things a lot like interest only seven year are. Oh, worry about it later. Love cowherd. We turned down your game before you did that on the on the mic. It's basically just the excited high pitched and then a and then like a half baked idea. That's basically what they let the cowherd impression. That's a good equation right there. That's pretty good. Well, Ben's a lot like a salad bar. No one carrots. Like, oh, I didn't know we had feta. Now, we got a feta option. Careful. You don't want to flood the market. I know. There's always like a salad bar one in there for me. But he did a rust belt one which to this day, Van Pelt and I talk about this rust belt segment that he did. And that's the beauty of cowherd is that you don't understand. Like, you kind of like, what the fuck is he saying? And he ties it up. And you're like, I don't even know that I believe it. But man, those eight minutes. That was a ride, man. It was. Yeah. That's if you're ever confused on why anyone in this business that makes decisions, why they've been obsessed with cowherd for two decades, like, that is it. And it was all relatable. And like, I was trying to do my shit and nobody there, not because I was like brilliant, but I was like super sports guy and decision makers were kind of like, all right, cool, man, you get it, dude. Yeah, watch the games again this weekend, buddy. Awesome. Oh, you take notes. Yeah, cool. Cowherd is good to think about how retirees are ruining wide receiver dips in the AFC North. What was his rust belt thing? I don't remember that. He did this whole thing about how the big 10 was toast because of the rust belt migration numbers. Big 10 columns did that. Wow. No, it was SEC column when he was at ESP. Right, right, right, right. Now he's now he's big 10 column. Oh, it's a time to be big 10 column, honestly. He knows his partners. Oh, he doesn't. Yeah, it's another reason why people in charge love him. Yeah, he got he got really into soccer as soon as he was fox. I love it. I'll be honest with you, but it did happen. Yeah, because prior to the soccer boom, when Skipper picked up the soccer deal, I remember him doing a segment about soccer being like basically homeless people play it. So I don't know how to culture it enough. I mean, he was it was ruthless. It was like 2014 content, 2012 content where you could you could say like for the grand awakening or whatever. Yeah, yeah, right. Look, you could say some shit you shouldn't have said you could also say some stuff where it's like, yeah, I don't know that that was that big of a deal that he said that, but then it got processed all different 1617. I think it's when the shift happened. Well, we right back after a quick word from our sponsors. Football is back and with Draft King Sportsbook September comes with a boost all September long opt in and get a 50% profit boost every game day with the DraftKings game day boost pass. 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And the viral Dillon dress is easy, one and done perfection. But my fall uniform will always be denim pair with a Henley sweater, a bra-free top, it's comfortable, effortless, it just never fails. Change your fall capsule at Abercrombie, shop in the app online and in stores. All right, confirm that Ryan is a base two. I need to confirm that, maybe after the cowherd voice. I do. Big fan, Ryan, my brother and I have an ongoing debate regarding whether you are a base one or a base two. He insists you're a base one, but he can hardly tell the difference between a baritone and a second tenor with the resonance of your profundo register. However, I would be shocked if you were not consistently hitting the D2 notes as a true base. Yeah, I was a base two in high school. I don't know what happened. It was early. You got a sign stuff in high school? Yeah, I was in the choir. Like I was in the good one. Like choir? I know. Choir sounds like. Well, same, not an elective. Okay. All right. Well I was in it. I was in the one you took. Well, they took it so seriously in my high school that you could, you could just be in chorus, right? Like, instead of an instrument, we had a piano player, you know, somebody who played piano. No, I'm saying, in our eyes, you either play an instrument or I think you were in like a music class like chorus. You had to do one or two? I think it was one or the other. Two years. And I played that. Yeah. I had to carry that fucking clarinet around freshness or something, huh? I played trumpet fucking clarinet, some kids. So such a bummer. That's a wild thing though, if you think about it, like everyone, like it's good for the arts, right? But every single kid at some point has to pretend he's going to be in the music game long term. And you're looking at the catalog with so many trumpets, you know, I think that's a good thing. I do think it's a good thing. But I also think it's kind of wild from like a marketing, I don't know if that's still the same now. But I remember being there, like by brought back my, my thing and I like that, I think I wanted to play trumpet, you know, and I showed the catalog to my dad and he's like, you're going to sing. It's cheaper. He did. You already got all the equipment about. Yeah. You don't need, you don't need to professionally clean your vocal chords. So we're ready to go. I don't know that you took the recorder series enough. So you know what you vote. Go ahead. All right. So what was so funny is like, I think I had the middle school, like, or the middle school elementary, whatever they made me start doing trumpet, I had the, like the schools version of that. And then I had to switch over to my aunts old one. And I didn't want to do it at all. And we had to pay to get it professionally cleaned. And then they were like holding this thing over my head that like, and your aunt, you know, gave you this trumpet or gave you this. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I love it. It was a little worse part of my day. And like, you want, like what, you would have grateful to you. I'm thinking her every month for this. I don't understand. But like they were, they had a totally different view of it than I did. Yeah. I'm just assuming that they don't like guitars, not one of those things. Like why can't I learn to play guitar in high school? You know? Like why is it? It sounds like more of a club. It's all the classical instruments. You know? Big wins. Can I play drums? I can play drums in high school. Big wins. And I was in the home big horn, dude. That's what they call me. Yeah. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to just love throwing big in front of anything now. It's just so great. Isn't it? It's a great ROI. Yeah. More often than that. Yeah. That's going to be over soon. But like ever since like the big format awareness, just throwing big in front of something that's great. It works. It plays. It's been playing now for a little while. Yeah. Mix it into your routine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still right now if I wanted to, but I don't know, man, that's going to live forever. So I might not do it. I'm actually not going to do it. But yeah, I had an absurd, absurd, like low-deep singing voice. I could hit all those notes down there. Yeah. To a murder. Oh, never mind, man. Yeah. Yeah. People thought I was doing a fake voice when I first was on the air. They're like, no way, no fucking way. Like this guy is a fake voice. Well if you came out with some sort of like music collab situation, then you'd be more like Kendall, you know, so maybe that's head down that path. Well done. Well done. All right. The only child hatred needs to stop. I think that's directed at me. Wonder who that's coming from. Long time listener here. I'm writing a new Express and frustration that I've had for the past several months over the group's disdain for someone who's the only child. I guess all of us are. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I've brought it up. I've brought it up. I've either been life advice email, so I'd be like, are you an only child? And then some guys usually will like follow up and be like, yes, I am or like the one guy. Remember the one guy was like mad about his roommate set up and I was like, you sound like you have like two older sisters or whatever. He's like, I can't, but he goes, I have two older sisters and there's like a huge gap. I'm like, yeah, I can tell. I mean, look, doesn't mean I'm going to get it right all the time, but like sometimes I can tell, but he's some personalities, like you had two older sisters that like, maybe the shit out of you. I think you're a little soft. And then it's like, oh, that's up. All right. So back to the email. Whenever an only child is brought up during life advice, there's a collective agreement that someone with no siblings tends to be a loser. I don't think a loser. I think just doing it to find characteristics as an only child of myself, like predispose of things. It doesn't mean you're going to get, you know, that disease that your grandfather had, I think you're predisposed to certain things. Also it's sometimes a bit so sometimes there's no. As an only child myself, I heavily disagreed with your sentiments. I would like to share some perspective that will hopefully change your minds, especially with siloes. Although Ryan does have siblings, his current lifestyle is extremely similar to that of an only child growing up with no siblings, you learn to appreciate being alone. There isn't someone around your age. You can constantly turn to or interact with as a child as I've gotten older. I realize that being an only child has made me very comfortable being by myself. Sometimes I actually prefer it. I feel that this perfectly represents Ryan's saying of, "I'd rather be alone than annoyed." It might be a slight shift on that philosophy, but Ryan, you may not think about it, but you're living the life of a mature, only child, us only children aren't weirdos. Desperate attention, like you may think, we're independent and can handle situations such as solo dinners, travel movies. Just some perspective I wanted to share. I tend to agree with the group's suggestions, but your opinions on being an only child are disappointing. I hope Ryan can reflect upon this and accept he is one of us, also RIP to Oregon and with love to see a Zach Kyle swap for an episode. I don't think the criticism usually comes from being weird. I think sometimes it's like you're not playing well with others. I think that's more where that's really what it is. You're not interacting well with others where it's like you're having a hard time when this thing is not 100% going your way, and this is just specific to some emails we get and then Ryan, I think you Brian knows he riles up the only children out there, and so he goes a little bit harder once we get on that topic, but we're just saying sometimes you're predisposed to certain actions by not having to share as a kid. I've had some serious relationships with only children and there's just things you'll notice that'll be different. Put the same way, like as I mentioned, the younger brother scenario with two older sisters that just ran them into the ground, like all of us can have great things about us based on where we are in the sibling chart. Like I think because I'm the oldest and there's such a massive gap between the youngest to the oldest that I tend to care. You could even say worry about them a little bit more because I feel like I'm somehow their protector, even if it's sort of absurd because we don't live together anymore. But like if something happens to one of my siblings, it devastates me and I don't know if I were the youngest, I'm not saying that the youngest doesn't have that same compassion, but I might be more predisposed to how much RAM is taken up for them. Right. Right. Yeah. You know, the middle child thing is the one that's always sort of fighting to be noticed, you know, like all of these different things. I would just say whether it's a dating relationship, this guy raises his hand. Where are you, Sury? Are you the oldest? I'm the oldest. So that's what I was going to say, like you and I, I don't think we have different oldest child qualities, okay, I, because like I'm one of three, I have two younger sisters. My youngest is a classic. Youngest is funny. She's outgoing. Whatever. My middle is classic middle. And I, I think I have some oldest. Quality is like I do like to kind of like do things on my own like not be bothered. I can be babyed I'm probably my mom's favorite Might just probably laugh at that and say you're definitely your mom's favorite But I don't know like you and I I don't think you and I we are different like we are Older oldest different whereas I think like only child only really means like you kind of only know like the world Kind of is always revolved around you, right yes, whereas I think that that there's and there's varying degrees of that Like our friend Michelle smallman only child. There's some things that I feel like I oh, yeah, there's an only child come out of you And then but she's also like Mary. I don't know. I'd forgotten and she's she doesn't She's an only child. Yeah, so yeah, I think there's you know, it's a skin you can beat it. You can beat it Yeah, you could overcome. Yeah, I would say the downside of it that I have noticed time and time again is that there is a bit of like there's There's it feels like there's less empathy. Okay, and there are times that I've noticed where it's like hey, do you not realize like And that that person maybe never had to realize it because they just and it's not necessarily their fault It doesn't mean that only children or excuse me only children are worse than the oldest or the youngest or all that kind of stuff It's that we all have some things that we maybe are more likely to kind of like Develop and I've I don't want to call it selfish because that's not entirely fair But there there have been some times at least in my experiences where there's some selfish tendencies where I don't even think the person is a selfish person It's just kind of a default setting of like I'm usually going to get my way because that's what's happened. Yeah for my entire life It's a different correlation and causation right we're talking correlation here. Yeah What you just worried for did I do is that like a no I just pressed by you by you dropping out that that that knowledge had Yeah, I just don't say that phrase the VFT Okay, we're still as a hypocrite about bulking aging and NBA big men Love hearing all the times a year how Ryan is injured himself during working out trying to maintain his bolt. Well more of it's now Fighting, but not like really sparring Sparring against people that could kill me. Okay But they're paid by me as coaches so they don't really get to kill me. I keep it between the booze. Yeah, although I've said Hey, you know, you can start like punish me a little bit more here, buddy. Like you can't let me get away with this shit Like when I get cracked in the nose and I like stop for a second and then they stop and I'm like, you can't stop Like I'm mad at myself, and that's why I just stopped. You don't need to again. Yeah, you got to break me of this habit because there is no stopping You know, get you to go hate time out All right, that's in the side there. What are if guys ever try that like a real street fight like what if guys ever try it? Yeah, never shit. I've never seen like a timeout. I've seen like other guys like all right. We're gonna get you guys off each other But like one guy says timeout timeout young kids go like you're gonna kick Yeah, maybe kids all right, and again, this is just working out by the way It's not like me rolling this and that as Jim and Torrance being like hey New guys in town. All right, so It's hurt all the time then he has the audacity to get on and be an Anthony Davis for keeping their bulk When the model big man Tim Duncan lost weight is older years Maybe try to follow Tim Duncan's lead and what you preach and slim down as you approach 50 to ease the stress in your joints Otherwise, don't complain about and be and Anthony Davis don't complain about the imbees in 80s of the world when you would also rather try to have bulk cheers Yeah, this was bait. This was bait Yeah, this was bait Did we even need to address how fucking dumb that email is? Yeah, I mean do we want to just point out like the obvious fact that you don't get played to play it to fight people or to do Moitai and these guys do and your job is to be interesting about talking about them And I'm not taking a 30% of your cap coming back out of shape every single year never being able to finish the season and do Mean millions of fans favorite teams chances. I think there's a slight difference. I do I do think we've gotten obsessed as a and I'm part of this Problem we've got obsessed with like pointing out hypocrisy and all parts of life We're like now we don't even know what it even means or where it applies properly and this is a perfect example of like That doesn't make any sense like I even asked you I joke I mean, I forget what we're talking about remember when I was like what's your goal? Because you're talking about some sort of lifting thing like what do you shut because I so I thought about it I'm like why are you still like lifting to get picked like what what is the goal like what are you always trying to get bigger You're trying to maintain because I don't know so I think it's fair to be like what the hell is Ryan doing But then to be like actually then you can't critique Anthony Davis or Joe on beat. It's just like all right now now you're just a troll so sorry, dude I was a great email but I lectured in it Why aren't you a guest on Dan Patrick Moore? This show and Dan Patrick's show are really all I haven't consistent rotation these days. I can't stand most of the sports talk shows anymore to me You are the two most authentic people talking sports. This is very nice Even though sometimes both of you all have some bozos on his guests, but I get it Almost I'm almost 40 so Dan Patrick is a legend to me as I grew up loving sports center I locked in a DP show around 2017 full-time. I'll be honest I never really listened or watched you with SVP. I started listening to the show around 21 and enjoyed your Interviews on PMT. Anyway, I guess I see a lot of parallels between you and Dan Patrick I like how you all ventured off for me. It's paying to build something special without them and y'all do it without the hot take the Attrics, they'd be cool to hear a story or two about y'all's relationship and if I you know if you get them out I had them on the pod and I'll just tell you It was kind of that episode and I also know that he hates doing everybody else's part especially when the guys cranking out five days a week all the time Like even me doing three sometimes four things a week I don't really feel like doing a lot of other stuff So I think I've told myself I was never gonna ask him again to do it I love going on with them But I'm also like the times that I've gone on with him It was kind of like hey, can you do this at 7 a.m. And then one time I was like at the finals and even I was like I don't know if I can even fit this in because it's him and I'll tell Fritz I'm like hey, you know, I'll do whatever I can for Dan like for the rest of my life Because but I didn't have a we were not tight at ESPN. He was kind of on the way out as I was coming in I thought like he and Kilborn my two favorite anchors ever um We don't we're not like Buddies, but I do always think of sending them a text every now and then just not like something that be very classic me And like not make any sense like I almost in our picture of me taking shots and like around July 4th was like Thinking about you on 250 which is insane because I wouldn't be thinking about Dan Patrick But I Sometimes I'm tempted to do that kind of stuff because I have a relationship with other people But look, I love Dan. I love Dana death. It's just likely a scheduling thing But I I know when I go on with him like I want to do a great job I want to be psyched that I came on as a guest because uh, I just look he wasn't just a great sports center anchor His radio show when I was driving around before I even worked at ESPN and then like that jump from Being in my truck listening to him every single day and then four years later trying out there Like you want to talk about the timeline of your your life and that I don't know that I've ever had anything close to that quick of a jump from that moment to then four years later And then you start going like oh, that's gonna be normal Be hosting the fucking Grammys Couple years Which I would be terrible at wait did you overlap at in radio with him then When I was doing filling stuff. Yeah Yeah, but he was done. I think what oh seven was he done? Yeah, so if I look it up man that might be right on the number um Because before I got there. I just know that I was there in 11 Yeah, cuz when he left Radio um It was like big deal man. I mean obviously there's a huge deal But I remember everybody kind of like milling around the office and the radio cubicles You're like what happened and there was some story about how like somebody flew internationally to meet with him and he was like nope And then he just knew and by the way what he did on his own versus me just joining a podcast company They cannot be compared like he was doing real pioneer shit. I just was part of the wave Of what it already happened So But yeah, I think he had a little never say so shit like that. So you're definitely not that is But oh look, it's true. It's true. I don't When when we talk about like what guys have done and put a flag and stuff or like If somebody was trying to compare me to McAfee And I was like I don't I don't look at myself like McAfee came from a position where he already was known first of all And so there was there was an easier transition for him Um Because who he was But that also allowed him to like call his shots in a way that very few people could ever call their shots And it's worked out fabulously for him and you know, I always admire shit like that So I don't think every single guy that like leaves yeah, you could argue he in an odd way like sort of reverse engineered it Because he like then teams up with the big guy, which is the best thing you can ever do like when ESPN wants you when they don't have you You are going to do so much better than when they already have you Absolutely All right We right back after a quick word from our sponsors Bill lucky you should be meet the new lucky one sweet tea from this peaches the vodka drink that's positively doing good Made with real tea and real vodka Non carbonated the hundred calories and here's the scoop their new suit Sweet Tea is the only box of a sweet tea on the market, simple ingredients in a smooth full flavor that makes it taste just like the real sweet tea. 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Where is Kyle and Sardis relationship outside of the show? - That tells you all you need to know. Not just kidding. - I would say there is probably room for more. It was that fair to say, Kyle? - Totally. - Absolutely. - You know, I've thought about this summer. I've been like, hey, you're close. Like before you used to be in LA. So I was like, hey, I'm not, like, I hang out with Kyle when I go out there and now I get about this too. - I was like, should I know what you're gonna say? - I was like, should I have met Kyle and Dan Berry? Should we had a day together? Like I do, I have thought about these things. I will say, it's not an excuse, but I will say it is a little bit difficult to kids. There's some schedules going on. We got swim lessons in the afternoons and different things going on. But yeah, like, I don't know. I think Kyle and I have always been cool. Like it's, are we like, do I know all the, is Kyle gonna hit me up about like serious life stuff? Probably not. I'm also like a hard person, like I don't, I am close with like five people. And I just, I just kind of have a limit and not that like short break into that or something, but like, and they're like long time dudes. And I'm not even including Ryan in that. I guess Ryan would kind of be in that category too. You maybe be the sixth guy. But, my sort of, my sort of, I'm sort of like, add a capacity with like really close friends. And then I'm not like a social butterfly in any situation. You're like, hey, let's go hang, let's go to the yard, go to the game. Let me meet you halfway. I'm just like bad at that stuff. So, I guess like myself or pork cart could be, it could be better. But like, there are, there are absolutely times that I'm like, man, like I would have, like when I was younger and like whatever, like Kyle and I chopping it up, it would have been a lot of fun. But it just, I feel like I don't know that I'm at that point in my life. Yeah, I mean, he was, he started as a, we were always remote co-workers. Never had, have not been that, right? He started like coming in as my boss and like we did, he did like a tiptoe around me. I was actually really happy to have like, I mean, Ryan was talking about him forever. And like, I was happy to have like a boss sort of like, to put one between me and one of the higher ups that I liked. So I kind of, he was always like, dude, I'm not trying to step on any toes. And I tried to break through that pretty quick. I was like, no, dude, absolutely not. This is great. And honestly, I think we worked really well together at our last stop. And then I think we talked like almost every day during the transition here, during that summer and stuff. So, yeah. And then every time we're in like a city for either with that core week stuff or we'd go on a travel thing, it's like, you know, I don't wanna say fast friends, but it's like, I guess you could say like, it's like we picked up right where we're left off. And he's always asking me 'cause I think he knows I got the, I got the late night burn of the late night oil in me everywhere we go. And he's usually getting off a flight. And he's always like, all right, we'll find, what day do you want to do it? It's like, this one is gonna be the next one. He gives me a choice as soon as we get there. So like, he's a, he's a good friend to me. And I think now that we're, you know, we're an hour or two away from something that we could both go to, I think it'll happen more. But again, father to totally get it. - I think it's fair. - Okay. Next email, Kyle, where does Upstate start? Kyle, where do you believe Upstate New York start? Some from Southern Westchester and resented whenever someone would call that Upstate. I personally use Pekipsey, New York as the border. Thank you for your attention to this important matter. And I also bought the Resillow Sauvignon Blanc as a wedding gift. Still available, by the way. Saw, we just going to the case over here at the house. All right, so yeah, Kyle, you take this one. I have the idea. - I saw it on this over the years. I used to, I used to resent it as well. And then I went to college with, I mean, you can't tell in New York city person anything. Listen, if I'm like, if I'm in a, in a bar in this, in this Midhuts and Valley area, or I'm talking to somebody from the, yeah, maybe while I'll get a little bit more intricate or nuanced about where the line should be. But if I'm talking to somebody from New York city, I'm just like, yeah, man, whatever, you're right. Because I mean, now there's like, there's gift shops around the Vassar College area here. And in the window, they've got all these t-shirts and shirts that say Upstate and Chill. And I'm like, all right, this is in my own backyard. They've, they've resigned to this Upstate. I can, I'll say like the Midhuts and Valley, I try to, you know, I went to school upstate New York. That was my whole thing. It's like, how can I drive five plus hours? And that's still Upstate New York from where I left. So, you know, you can't tell a New York city guy anything. I'd say probably above Westchester. It's Upstate to anyone in New York city. It's all the fucking sticks to them anyway, you know. So, sure, I live in Upstate New York. I live in the Midhuts and Valley. I live in the Crown Jewel. And I guess I also live in Upstate. - Well, so. - If you Google Upstate New York, they'll give you a map and Pekipsi is not in that little red zone. It's just south of it. - Starts as light. - It's what I would stop. - Sure. - Yeah, below Albany. Oh, that's stop. - Oh, I don't know. And then Albany's still four or five hours from the top of New York State, so whatever. And he gives that weird Western New York part, I don't even know. So, yeah, I guess I'm Upstate. - Did we already address what Kyle is voicing the Affleck intro on Netflix as opposed to the way it plays out on audio? - I don't know if we-- - I tried to bring that up the other day. I thought we did. Basically, we just, yeah, we don't have the rights to it. I don't even know if we should say this. - Ben said loud, but yeah, yeah, Ben, fortunately. - Ben's a Bill guy, yeah. - Yes, for $2 billion and we said, no. And yeah, that was just kind of like a legal workaround. So, obviously-- - Well, I did it. And I was like, if it sucks, let's not do it. And I didn't know, 'cause it's my own voice. It's really was like, that's way better than I thought you were gonna do. So-- - It was good. - So long story short, it was good enough, I guess. - Yeah. - I love this one. 'Cause I think there's like a list of stories where I was almost tempted to go over and with sorority and be like, okay, like I don't, probably I don't need to tell the story about how Danny Angel told me cap space is pointless anymore. And there's a few of those, which obviously now means you guys are just gonna hit up the emails. Be like, here's a story, you don't have to tell anymore. But, there was a, there was a thing once with Mike and Mike where they did this study. And I think it's bullshit. I think they just did it to like motivate us and stuff. It was like something absurd was, it was like 75% of Mike and Mike's audience is within the last six months, but then they kept saying, I was like, this would be like four billion people would be watching a show if we kept doing compounds like numbers on this. It doesn't, there's no way that makes any sense. And it was obviously just a monster monster of a show, but the point was is that if people are only with you for 15 minutes, if they're, if these shows are growing at this rate and it's, and look, they showed it incredibly well, but it just was an impossible, like set up, it was just the math on that. I'm like, there's no way. The show's been on for how many years and you're trying to tell me that like three quarters of the audience is just finding out about them in the last six years and then that just adds to whatever, like no. And I remember like somebody said it in a meeting once and then middle managers couldn't stop fucking repeating it and it would go on for like years. Yeah, it's like a, it's like the Maryland Manson rib thing. It's like someone just made it up and then it just became a thing for a while. Yeah, that guy is a legend. Whoever got that to stick, that guy's a fucking legend. Yeah, I know you go anywhere in the country and a guy's will be like, yeah, I heard that too. You know why I did it, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy how it stuff starts that. You're right. Like who even told it? Like who, I don't even imagine like the origin story of who's the first person to tell you that too. Like I don't even, like who told me that? Imagine if you tried that with different guys and then like Maryland was the one that got it to stick. Yeah. He's like, yeah, he did it with Neil and Clinton and that too. And it's like no one believed him, but. Yeah, that's great. That's a smart guy. I like that. So we sometimes, but the podcasting thing is different. You're not listening to me for 15 minutes, you know? And if the podcast thing's even more intimate than me just being an option on the station that you're listening to because you like the lineup or you more importantly probably hate all the other lineups back when you were at ESPN. So this is an ESPN story that we have brought up a few times. The canal putting Wendy's on blast. Story gets told every year or two. I remember when it happened. It's a memorable story in Laf. I guess we were drafting what fast foods. We were trying to figure out a new way to, we changed it so many different times. We were trying to figure out a way to make that last five minutes segment of the show, be some sort of appointment listening thing, which is sort of the motivation behind life advice 'cause I was like, we just needed end shows fun, but have some sort of appointment thing all the time. And we used to always try a million different things and some reason the radio thing it never really felt like any of it clicked. But we got into the old drafting game, which is never necessarily a bad idea. We were drafting fast foods. and canal just was like Wendy's, they're fries. - It's hot. - Oh, he's like, he's like, he's like, trash fries. Was the direct and it's tough. - Wendy's trash fries, yeah. It was like, I think we did it for the 20 minutes later. - Yeah, not a great idea. So the email continues. However, never sits right with me. The canal gets the full brun of it. I don't know the intricacies of the podcast produce responsibilities, but I've always suspected the good chunk of blame falls on some Rudy. Surely with a top 10 french fries segment, it's not a producer to be in the co-host's ear with a firm, keep in mind that Wendy's is a sponsor. I repeat, Wendy's is a sponsor. On my mind, because I'm at Wendy's an unsponsored fast food establishment, eating soggy fries and appreciating Danny's speaking the truth, PSI loves Rudy. But the everybody hates Rudy Angle, does make for funny content. Even though that's kind of what that email was. - No, I actually think he's right. I don't remember though, I don't think we were drafting like fat, I don't remember what the origin of it was. Like if it was a straight like, "Hey, yeah, we're drafting fast food things." I probably could have been like, "Hey, don't trash our sponsors here." The three of them, like kind of be nice to them. I don't remember what the actual premise was for it though. So I could be wrong. It feels like it came kind of out of nowhere. - It's on us, the people talking. Okay, on that one, that is 100% on us. That's not, if you knew the dynamic and how that worked. I mean, yeah, maybe like a 20 year producer goes, "Hey, if you're doing this, let's make sure there's no sponsors on that series role at that time, @ESPNRadio on that show." He would not have been expected. Now granted, if we got into trouble, then it's really probably would've gotten yelled at. Although they didn't mind yelling at Cannell, and they certainly weren't afraid to tell me that I wasn't great. But, I mean, just for a while. - I actually don't think it was Danny's fault either because he didn't really do the reads on that show. So he wouldn't, you know, he probably doesn't, is he listened to every single read that you got that you would do, probably not. You were doing most of the internet stuff. - But it's just a move. - Like, what you, I mean, we shouldn't even be doing it now 'cause we don't know, Wendy's might come to the sales guys with a buy or something. - Oh, we love Wendy's. - Well, if they do that, please do that. - Yeah. - I should do burgers around there. It's the only one. - Spicy nuggets. - Come on. - Well, I shouldn't even say that. You want to have an open mind about sponsors you don't even have, right? You want to be nice about a potential sponsor. So it's not great business to be on the air trashing any brands whatsoever. So I just, do you have to trust me on this? - Absolutely. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's like Burger King. Like, now you've seen their new ad pitches. Like, yeah, our food are the use to suck. Our bad, it's better to do the CEO's. - Dude, the CEO's like, "I don't want to do that." - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't want to do that. - Yeah, I don't want to do that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. like now you've seen their new ad pitches like yeah our food are the use to suck our bad it's better to do the CEO is like I'm not respected. Oh, yeah, but it's the same time it's like my whole real chicken brand where it's like no one should be psyched about you saying hey it's real chicken now. Now they're making hundreds are real cheese now. That's like an 80 ad campaign. All right, 1980s Contra, you know, like I got it hostages. You want to sit there and tell me like it's real chicken in 1980. I might go, oh, yeah, this is great. I was like whoever did it in 2021. I was like, this is fucking stupid. All right, last one here. This one might be a little deeper. I guess all right, Ryan's self awareness spiral. Hey gang 27 5 10 180 250 bench through 65 squat and clocking in a 39 minute 10 K. That's five miles. Shout out Oregon. Damn. Sure. I think that's good. Just think about it. I had to do it. 10 K is not five is no, it's a 3.6.2 is a 5K 3.1. Yeah, sorry. I bet feedback is simple. Ryan is so self-aware. It's almost to his detriment. I agree self-awareness is probably your biggest ally in socially navigating the world and Ryan is the final boss of it. He's aware of how he's being perceived and he's aware that he's aware of it. Philosophers could be stumped by that one. Ryan builds counterarguments. It's almost every point he makes as if he already knows the pushback before anyone says anything. Same with flexing about his own life or career. He could brag, but doesn't because he was already thinking about what people could come at him for sounding arrogant. Ryan is playing social awareness chest out here. I've always wondered if he is actively thinking about this or knows it about himself. Well, clearly, if I'm that self-aware, or is it actually built up from people tearing apart every possible take. Love the pod. Girlfriend's Kyle's number one fan. You just addressed him. Here in shit like that. Good one to end on. Yeah, you talked about. I don't know if he's with honor off air. Was this something that we've banked? I can't remember where it was, but this was like in the last 48 hours, 24 hours. You were talking about this. Okay, I'll do two parts on this. Obviously. Part one is that social media has made all of us a talk for a living different and I would argue at times worse. All right, because what you're doing is I watch a game, I think about the game, and then I immediately know the 10 different things that people will say. And unfortunately, and it's a habit that I've told myself that'll break, but I have not broken the habit is that it's like just make your fucking point, man, just make your point. All right, so I think the social media part of this where you just know that that's what people, their desires are. Is there any possible way somebody got something wrong or left something out? Let me get my fucking two cents in, because whoever is doing that constantly every single day, I actually kind of like feel bad for him, right? So that is something that is very common with all of us that talk for a living. There is a shift once we all started paying attention to social media where you started building up defenses before you actually built up the offense of whatever you wanted your point to be, if that makes any sense. I would say the second part, though, is kind of who I've always been. So maybe it's amplified by social media, but I always felt like if I were going to present this argument, hey, this is how I feel, because I know I get criticized for this, I'm going to present the opposing argument to try to present it, acknowledge it, not because of the social media part of it, just because I think like a natural debate, that would be something that you would want to prepare for. So I like saying, hey, this is how I feel, but it could also be this, this, this, or this, because there are very few things as I've aged that I feel like are as definitive as we want them to be. Unfortunately, with this job, you're supposed to be incredibly definitive, which is maybe why I'm more of like a taste than I am the home run that I think people in programming would want. Like if I went and tried out right now somewhere, they might be like, hey, it's got a deep voice, we're giving some Saturdays, but they would rather me come out and go, hey, you know, actually, I think Caleb Wilson is going to be more to the NBA than Wimbledon Yama could ever dream of, programming people be like, fucking give this guy a show. I would be like, well, I can't do that, because I don't believe it, and it's absurd, and there's no chance it could possibly be true. But if I were leaning that way, I'd say, hey, I think Caleb, and I don't think this, but like, hey, I think Caleb Wilson could like, you know, there's some things here that are so special, like I could see this, but then I would have to kind of dismantle what would be an absurd out there position that almost no one else would ever have, because I just think it's disingenuous to not even acknowledge what the opposite side of the argument could be. So, you know, at times when I've I've heard or seen someone say like, you know, in the monologues, which are too long, you know, I'm trying to get better at it. But I, I know how, like that's the other thing, is you can just kind of dis, you could destroy anything you want to say, like somebody says something and just go, oh, is that how you really feel? Is that the real reason? And it just like sounds good, and it's just like, you can't really defend against it. But I don't know, I would never want to not acknowledge a counter argument to the argument that I'm making, but I generally do end up closing on the point, but maybe it's just not as in your face or as harsh or pushed on you in a way where I'm unmoving, because I feel like that's a very closed off way to think, even if it's better for doing this job. And to add to that, unlike the bragging thing, I mean this. I don't, it's the reason he's going to know this is true, but I, I've had a really good run, but I'm, I'm less impressed with myself than you could ever imagine. Okay, so there's a lot of things that I don't know if I'll ever get to do them or not. This has been fun and I have a great living and I have a really good life and all that kind of stuff, but yeah, I think sports podcasting on the life option chart, you know, like this is good. I've got nothing to complain about, but I'm not like, I don't, you know, I'm basically a fucking movie critic for sports, which I would rather be. There's a world where you're writing the best DJ and Jamaica, right? I mean, that never happened. I was probably top five then. No, I don't think I'd want to be a DJ, although, fuck, you see, go to these things. The hours seem awesome. The work hours seem pretty sick. The hours, yeah, but you got to, you got to make a decision, you know, like Diplo. It was very clear, he was like, I'm going to get in running and some fitness stuff. Like I can't, I can't keep this going anymore. I'm not saying that I want to be a DJ or wish I were a pro athlete or all that kind of shit because like whatever, I mean, that'd be ridiculous to sit there dwell on those kinds of things. But I, would rather have done something in a creative way that maybe stands out a little bit more than this. And that's the truth. So that's why I don't think I'm very confident I have an ego, but I don't think I'm like the shit day to day because the show does well. To your to the point about just like having to set up every argument, I do think it is annoying because I feel like the audience and I don't I'm not mean like to criticize the audience, but like there's a lot of stuff out there, not our audience. That means some audiences have done, but like they're, the audience has never been, never felt more confident in arguing something that they probably have seen or read less about. Like in this is sports, this is politics, this is everything. Like you can watch 90 seconds of an hour long interview, taken totally out of context of someone saying something and form an entire opinion about what that person is and what they stand for. And then you listen to the entire thing in context and you're like and I know out of context is like all right, yeah, like some people use this as a cop out, but like a lot of times I think context does matter. And so it's it's very easy to listen to somebody say something in a clip and be like, oh, that's wrong. Here's what's wrong. This is stupid and just pick the entire thing apart. That's very easy to do. Everyone does that. But to to to do a 10 minute segment on your own, where you're having to basically take account for those people, say something interesting, be kind of funny. Like that's a really hard thing to do. Like I struggle with it. I don't even like doing it. Like I remember dip in my toe into like the content thing and the stuff that I do with scale. I just didn't feel comfortable in like saying something every day. I like saying something when I have something to say. But like that's why it's if you're if you're doing a show, if you're like Ryan or Dan Patrick or cowherd, like we can make fun of some of those guys. But like that's a hard job. You're going to make mistakes. You're going to say dumb shit. You're going to say stuff that's wrong. And for some reason, like we we don't let anyone just like be wrong. It has to be some bigger picture thing about how dumb they are, how seriously they take themselves. And like I'm just like, can we just all collectively kind of calm down? And I get caught up and do it too. Like I'll watch a clip or read something out of context and be like, they look at this idiot. And then like you kind of get put big put back in your place later when you realize that like, oh, this is the bigger thing of what they were saying. Or actually, that's not who that that's not what they are. That's not what they're about. So I don't like have a solution for it. I just think it's really hard to be like a content person in today's day. It's because everyone wants to tell you how stupid you are all the time because it's easy. Every single day. And you have to figure out a way to get through that. You're going to try yourself crazy. You know, one thing I put my hand up here for guys that think I'm stupid. I know we're not getting back into the time codes thing here. Just I'm not going to explain what I'm not going to I'm not going to re-explain what dynamically add insertion is. But I've just been guessing now I take whatever time it is in my little Pro Tools file. And I throw 30 to 45 seconds ahead of it. I like that now I'm doing like five second intervals and zero. But I don't know what ads are going to be randomly put in there. Sometimes they're 30 seconds. Sometimes they're longer than that. So if you're frustrated that you have to click around a little bit on the shows that have the DAI ads, you can look up what that means. I'm now just I'm guessing a little bit further ahead. But you know, it's going to be what it's going to be. There's really no. Even if I know what they are one day, they will change the ad the next day and it will be wrong. So we wish it was easier. Yeah. I'm not exactly. I'm not quite as much of a fool as you think. I am I am now giving it nicer numbers. I like it to end at a five or a zero. So I think it just looks better in the description. But yeah, you're going to have to click around a little bit. Sorry about that. I had a buddy that used to press like 92 on the microwave instead of 90. And I was like, what are you doing? And he goes, you're just going to wear out your zeros and five, man. Wow. I want to talk about yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 20 seconds or two. How about 19? I couldn't believe I never stopped thinking about 30 years. That's just a guy whose brain works different. That's those are the guys we should be, you know, putting in the space program. Who knows what we're missing by not having those kind of brains? I have OCD. That would fuck my day out. I can't like the volume always has to be even number. Sixty seconds. Well, 57. I think it's 64. I'll overheat something just to get it done. If it's not an even number, I'm just like, I got to let it finish. Well, that's just, you guys. I have. There's like a little podcast. You guys could live together. All right. That'll do a Friday feedback. Thanks to everyone on the show. Rhymer Slow Show, Larson's Boss. See you.