Fresh Finds Podcast Season 6 Episode 4 W/ Harper Kill

So I think we're gonna get started here, like I said, I've got my intro and then we've got the whole thing, so Hello, and welcome back to fresh to that sucked Hello, and welcome to back to the fresh finds podcast the show about discovering new music with good people I'm Ryan and joining me this episode is Dylan from the punk rock band Harper Kill. How are you doing dude? I'm doing great man. How are you? Welcome to the show. I'm doing fantastic. It is a kind of dreary now that it's the end of the day But you know pretty nice Sunday For a long weekend for me too, which is very nice. Yeah, same big work weekend. Oh right on. Oh, yes Before we get started with anything else Do you want to just take a second to kind of like introduce yourself what you do in the band and maybe even give like a little bit of History of the band as well. Yeah, um, so I'm Dylan. Uh, I me I saw I'm in Harper Kill. We're a punk band We started in we started as like an acoustic act in 2022 me and my friend John I had been writing a lot of stuff and um, we got together started doing a few shows and eventually we added Royce and Danny to our band and After putting out an EP, we've just been grinding away playing as much as we can and Yeah, I don't know. We uh, we just put out this album that I think is fucking awesome And I hope other people think is awesome and yeah, I in the band. I sing. I write all the stuff And I like any synth stuff. I'll do which is rare, but uh, okay, and I demo out everything Yeah, so how did it go from the like acoustic thing that you started out as to Now much more of a you know like kind of classic punk pop punk type of thing that you guys have going on now um I the the want to do a full like punk band was always there. We just didn't have um the the resources to do it uh When we started doing the acoustic act I was actually living in um Illinois at the time and this yeah And so I was making a pilgrimage every few months to Grand Rapids, Michigan to just like grind out shows with John Because it was just like a matter of well, we got to do something and I'm trying to make a change and move in you way So why not do that okay, so I was gonna ask about that actually because I saw like on your twitter bio You had mentioned that uh Or like in the twitter bio somewhere it says something about like Chicago and Grand Rapids as being like the the location And I knew that you were in Grand Rapids now. So I didn't realize that that was like a that it was a movement that was why or I thought that it might have been like more spread out or something. Yeah. No, it was just like that at the beginning um we I kind of just we It was a growing thing. I just didn't quite know how to um label it with everybody else in the band lives in the Grand Rapids Like area okay give or take a like 30 40 minute drive um and so that was kind of the impetus the impetus of like Well, I'm gonna take this seriously then I need to move and like not be living in the sticks Yeah, and so yeah, and doing it was was awesome and it made everything 10 times better um so after and it's been about a year now It's uh I think in a month it'll be a year since I I moved up here. So nice. Yeah, I I love the state of Michigan so much I've lived here my whole life So I am a little bit biased, but you know, I think that Grand Rapids is a is a pretty cool spot What do you think of the scene out there is I fell in love with it like the scene in Grand Rapids is one of the best music scenes I've ever like Springfield, Illinois was like the only other music scene that I liked and it sucked like I'm sorry Like but it's just like hardcore bands and um, okay, like shout out dumb records Springfield, Illinois I love them, but like they just didn't have a scene that really jelled with me like as as you know, I write more melodic more You know Song songy stuff and when yeah, your entire scene is a genre that's kind of antithetical or at least looks down on what you're doing It makes it hard to form a community. So I never really I never really formed a emotional attachment to that scene I do think that the Grand Rapids area is kind of interesting because like in the Michigan scene I feel like Detroit and Lansing get like all the love and like Grand Rapids is kind of pushed off to the side But it's very much like there's a lot of cool shit going on there. Yeah. I mean pyramid scheme 20 Munro I would I don't want to say Mulligan's because they suck, but also I played a lot of shows there coming up So so I need to at least say something, but uh, yeah, here the pyramid scheme is Bar hands down the best of venue in Grand Rapids. We've played there a few times. It's amazing I've I've seen so many acts that I love there and I will contain I'm going to see Jeff Rosenstock there coming up soon. Oh shit. That'll be sweet. It's going to be fantastic And we'll we'll be playing there sometime in the future. What's your favorite pinball machine at the pyramid scheme simpsons before they took it away Hell yeah now. I really fuck with the antique south park one they have there. Oh the old south park ones are really fun. I remember Back when they like first came out they had one at the local ice rink and we played all the time Yeah, I've been getting really into pinball ever since moving up here I didn't know it was a thing that you could still get into yeah Well, are there other places to do it outside of the pyramid scheme because I always just think about like Oh, I'm going to a show with the pyramid scheme and there's gonna be the pinball place while I'm waiting to get in like I'll play a few rounds But like is there like a pinball scene quote unquote around there? I I would say the scene quote unquote is pretty much just in the pyramid scheme, but there are a few other places Specifically, there's another bar that's a little lower class down the It's owned by the same people as the pyramid scheme and it's like this hole in the wall place called the meanwhile and it's awesome That's insane and they have like four rotating ones there. They like rotate them out at the at the stores So you can just go there and it's like a way dingier scene you just lock in on fucking pinball So one of the things I'm curious about with the new album and a taste of Harper kill which is on streaming It's still listed as your first album even though like debatably Maybe it could be like, you know an EP or something like that. Yeah, but uh actually I'm curious about how you would classify that if that was like a full album In your mind or if it's more of an EP. We strictly classify as an EP The only reason I think it's listed as an album on streaming is because of how Distro kid like lists albums and EPs I think there's a certain time limit to an EP before it turns into an album and if it's over that you can't change it Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and I think I tried to like brute force it and it didn't work I tried to have the main frame and it didn't work and uh, so it's that it just says album and it's like if you look up Harper kill album it still shows like it's a it's a fucking EP, but what are you gonna do? Who cares? So yeah, that's fair enough I'm curious though because you put that out a couple of years ago in 2024 and a lot of the songs our songs that appear on The self-titled album that just came out as well. I'm curious what the production look of standpoint looks like for that as far as like if you recorded them if you just like remixed old recordings that you already had and like maybe what the difference in production was between that and like the new album now that you guys are all like living in the same area instead of you know across lake michigan Yeah, so the the EP was recorded in a way where it was like I I recorded all the songs in like demos in their entirety And then I would give it give them to John and John would you know put in his input of guitar stuff or like Maybe we should switch around a verse here or there and then we would send demos back and forth And once we got that to a space that was fine or and we we liked it then we just took Took turns giving it to Danny letting letting them like do based on it try out different shit And then once Royce had a taste for what he wanted to do he laid down the you know the drums at River City Studios and Grand Rapids and I recorded all the vocals in my shitty bedroom In back in my hometown and when we so when we did the the album we we were just like well my point of view is like well I really liked these songs and the you know the EP is literally called a taste of Harper kill Yeah, the kind of the joke the on the joke is like okay, well, you're literally getting a taste of the fucking platter Yeah, and it was like well, if you know god forbid like if this is the only thing we're gonna put out You know, I want this if this was the only thing that we were to put out that I want these songs to be done justice and you know So when we went to re-record stuff for the album it was like okay the vocals were getting a complete new pass New bass new guitar the only things that were kept were like Maybe very specific takes of guitar that we really liked and didn't want to change the tone of and the drums were the same I am the anything else. That's different. We had the same producer for both of them same kind of rad He he did that we just had like a different sound. We wanted to get like a little Darker than what the EP was it was the EP was very bright Yeah, it was a little janglier kind of yeah, which you know is it was incredibly DIY like there was definitely more way more time put into The album tracks so really the only remnants of the original EP on the album tracks are maybe like some backup vocals I think and the drums and we added we added like some I think we added back of vocals on like death in taxes Oh, gotcha, okay, and has your writing stayed mostly the same Since moving in to the same areas the rest of the band or is it or is it still fairly like no, I'm so that's a I'm very excited to be able to keep doing Harper kill cuz it's we were not beholden to we're a punk band like There we will always have that convergence point of like green day men singers deathcap for cutie stuff But like recently I've gone through a big like ween's always like ween's been one of my favorite bands for a long time Okay, I love zappa. I've been into they might be giants a lot lately Okay, so really kind of getting on to that like weirder side of like alternative music Yeah, all right, and you know a lot of the a lot of the stuff off the the album that stuff was written five years ago Like a lot of this stuff was it feels so fresh. It's the crazy thing. Thank you I'm sure it feels more fresh to people who aren't me because I like it to people who haven't been listening to it for four years already Yeah, like for for instance like death in taxes was a song that I put out as like a solo song in 2020 like I and that was like just me fucking around and but I really liked it and obviously we kept it around it's Yeah, I just so much shit fucking change. I I'd be really interested to see the like original version of it if it even still exists anywhere It does exist. It does exist. We have we have good Backups of all this shit, but it's I don't think you'll see it until the 25th anniversary Yeah, you'll you'll do the green day thing that they did with dukey like a year ago or whatever and just do like all the like random like Alternative versions and shit. We're put we're getting the coffee. We're getting the 200 dollar vinyl pressing that's for the audio files only um, but so going back I'm going back to the you know like the the songwriting Influently like evolution and stuff. Yeah Oh, since all that music was written so long ago It's I don't want it to feel like the punk rock like the hard punk like Just green day thing is like set in stone like there's definitely room for evolution. Yeah, there's like we have more soft stuff like I love scaw like there's so much scowl that I listen to would be so sick. Yeah, like I'm sitting on like I mean I write all the time. I'm writing music all the time and I I love John Rahopping and I'm I'm just very excited to be able to show that in whatever we do next You know, that's a great point actually because one of my favorite moments on the album comes during Drug dealer where you do the whole like acapella thing at the beginning and then it like I think there's maybe an acoustic guitar in there at some point But it's like mostly acapella and it's like that is such a cool moment on that album because then it just goes into like you know The more like straight straight ahead like punk thing and it's so fun. Thank you a drug dealer is one of my favorites That's it's absolutely a blast to play. It's I'd never get tired of playing it Honestly, that like part of the album. I think it's from like operating at a loss through DeGiro type those That's like one of my favorite like runs that I've heard all year of like several tracks in a row like it's so good Thank you, man. I appreciate that. We we definitely took a lot of consideration into the into the Track listing the order of it. I feel like it shows because there is a lot of like really good transitions The pace stays interesting the entire time you listen to it, which you don't always get either. Yeah, it's just overall a very Fun album. I think it's really funny actually because a buddy of mine We play video games like every week and we have this little bot in discord That's actually how I used to record the podcast before I was using this software here I would just like record the output of discord and we would have this bot that like plays music and yeah The way that it's coded it like takes Spotify links or like whatever other streaming link and it just tries to find the YouTube video for it Okay, but I have found that all of your songs the YouTube video the highest one is actually a live show that you guys did Back in like October I think it was that you put out a whole bunch of those songs. Oh the at the straight early or something like that Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so you guys were you guys were pulling up the the old that those recordings while you were gaining. Yeah Yeah, we were listening to it. Oh, it is funny because I didn't even realize that that's what it was. I was like It's just like I guess it's a live version because that's sure it doesn't sound like the studio. Oh my god It's just like so confused at first and then I was like oh this is actually like a cool recording though This is a good like performance. Thanks man. Yeah, that was a fun. I think that you're talking about the stray. I think so. Yeah That was fun. Um, how were you guys playing live? Before you you said that you were just like going back and forth a lot right? Yeah So honestly, it was just like we would do whatever we could like me and it was just me and John We both would have an acoustic guitar and um, he would just pluck out leads and I would do rhythm and sing and do as much front Man's shit as I could We played at founders brewing. Oh classic. Yeah classic. We had a girl there. Tell us we looked like virgins when we went up on stage And oh, we also we would do Mulligan's we played twice and the second show that we did there was the show that convinced our drummer to join us So oh all right cool. I didn't realize that there was a whole story there behind that. That's interesting Yeah, we uh, John had approached Royce and was like I was like, you know, we really want you to to be in the band and Royce was like Well, I'll I'll join your band if you get a bassist and so we he was like I don't want to be in a band without a bassist So we um, so we got Danny who was another mutual friend of ours who was also a huge green day head biggest green date dose head I've ever met Um dose in particular Deep voc time fan I we can go a single practice without fuck time getting played um and I will play it You know, I was just talking about that actually the that trilogy like it's not the best music in the world But I do appreciate it more when I learned that they were like yeah We were just writing a whole lot in the studio and we just wanted to document everything we came up with And the fact that there wasn't really any like cutting room floor They just like recorded everything and put it out. I was like that's actually kind of a cool concept now that I like think about it that way It's a great concept and listen you're talking to a guy who has spent hours arguing about the trilogy I have I have argued I am the trilogy hater in in the band everybody else in the band is like yeah, it's it's weak You know, but like they still like it and I'm like that fucking vocal filter gets me every single time If you listen Billy Joe has this stupid vocal filter. It's like I think he's running his microphone through a distortion or through an amp Or something to that effect and it's it buries it in the mix and I I don't know I hyper focused on that. I'm I'm the biggest trilogy hater out of all of us. This is so interesting Now I want to listen back to it again just because I want to hear that I want to hear what you because I never noticed that before Well, if you do that you should compare it to um the Otis mix so in like 2019 2018 sometime they knew that this issue existed. They knew the guitars were like we're like we can't thin and so they They did an Otis mix which was like Billy Joe's personal um studio. He did it himself where he like did new guitars And he was like we're gonna do Otis mixes for all the best songs and they put out one they put out one and it sounds so much better And they never followed up on it probably because of some contract thing from Warner, but who knows that is incredible What was it supposed to be from like across a whole bunch of their albums? Who knows? I'm sure okay Because I was like actually like if they did just a best of thing I was like of like those three albums. I was like that could be one good album probably The closest we have to that is the demo compilation of that album. There was a Yeah, Demolicious. It was a record store day exclusive. You know, I have that same opinion of Metallica's load and reload from the 90s. I'm okay. It's two mediocre albums that came up back to back that could have been one Pretty good one Yeah, they could condense that shit 100% but so is there anything else that you specifically want to mention? As far as like the new album or anything that you guys have going on I keep you know coming up or anything like that. Um, I guess really I just want to say shout out Dylan green arts. He is the guy who did like all the single art and the the album cover That's a great shout out because those Those covers are really cool. Thank you. They are it's fantastic Dylan put up a A process like the an Instagram post that show the process of making them and it's all like Yeah, it's hand drawn charcoal like grabbed some or graphite something like that. I don't remember But it's it's really cool. Um, I can tell that it was made physically because it has that like texture to it Which is really really cool. He was trying to emulate the um the EP art which was like a The art for the EP was just a screen cap from a gay men's fashion magazine from Japan in 2005. - That's incredible. - And I just photoshopped all that shit. And then yeah, I just fucked around in Photoshop and made that cover. - Incredible, Lordrop, actually. - Thank you. - But yeah, Shadow Dylan can't think of anyone else other than the, yeah, Sam Conrad for making it sound how it does, he's fucking awesome. - Hell yeah. Before we move on actually, I was just thinking about this because shit, I totally lost my, lost my train of thought. We were, we were talking about before we started recording about your kind of like choice to like leave social media for a while and like kind of come back and, you know, all of that. I am curious as to how that like has affected your approach in marketing like the band and things like that because it's very interesting like how much social media has changed and you're like, yeah, I took like a year, you're gonna have off or something like that. - Yeah, yeah, so I took the break from Twitter because well, the big thing was like, you know, Elon took over. And I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna try Blue Sky and then Blue Sky was really annoying. And so I didn't wanna, like I just didn't wanna deal with like their whole UI. It was, I just didn't vibe with it. - Well, and it didn't have like any of the features either. Like you could even send like a photo in like a DM. - Yeah. And it's like none of my friends like transitioned over. So it just felt lonely. And so I was like, okay, you know what? I'm gonna take this opportunity. Get the fuck off. And this was like, when I did that, I was probably seven months out from when I wanted to move. And so I was like, all right, I'm just gonna get off social media and just work and just grind and just make money so I can get the fuck out of where I was living. - Honestly, I totally get that. - Yeah. Just lock in for a little while. - Exactly. I just had to put my head down and do that. I forgot what I was saying before that. - See, it happens to the best of us. - Fuck. - No man, I really liked it. - Leaving Twitter and Blue Sky. - Oh yeah, so leaving Twitter, it felt amazing. Like I was able to like focus on shit that wasn't making me angry all the time. I hate talking about it 'cause it makes me feel like holier than now, but it like genuinely made my life better. Getting off social media, I got really back, I tried to get back into reading. I got really into reading this Huey Long autobiography and he was like a politician from the 1920s. Anyway, I just got really into like, maybe we shouldn't be sharing every horrible thought that we have, but like everybody else, I had a proclivity for just hyping mean things on Twitter to just feel something because I was in a bad place in my life. And I think that's the biggest problem we have is people not realizing I'm in a bad spot in my life and I shouldn't take it out on people online. Like the catty responses to like, you know, or like, you know. - Dude, she gets so petty sometimes. It's funny, but it's also like, I don't know man, maybe just let it go, you know. And I'm guilty of it, like I laugh at this shit and I can't help it and then I always feel bad. And I, you know, after taking the break, I have tried to just work in a more like, everything's okay. Like not in a big sense, but like, there's no reason for me to dog pile or like, add to a mean culture that is already so bad. Like I would just rather stay in my own lane now and just, I just want to post about records on Twitter and-- - Honestly, that's my favorite shit. It's so good. - Who gives a fuck about anything else? I think you can get a lot from just not engaging with that shit anymore. I think it really does make-- - D-toncing a little bit. - Yeah, it really does make a difference. - Well, I'm curious if that like experience is going to him or has started already. I would imagine maybe started to impact the stuff that you're writing now and like maybe like your perspective within your lyrics or anything like that. - Yeah, now you mentioned that. There's a, it's funny. I wrote this lyric that was, it's more pertinent now that it's become a buzz word, but there's a song that we may or may not pursue where I have a lyric that's, I got my ass in line to eat the slop out of the trough. How many splashes in your face until you can't just laugh it off? - That's a good one. - Thank you, and so I thought that was, I'm not directly writing about like social media or against it, but like I think I've just been trying to convey the vibe more of like love. Like love isn't gonna save us, but it will help us in the short term. You know, like I'm not a big hippie movement guy or like feel like things can just be fixed by like good vibes, but I do think it can help us in these horrible fucking times that we're going through just to be nice. - You mentioned specifically that like, oh yeah, I felt like I was able to like kind of lock in a little bit better, you know, got stuff done more and things like that. And I do think that there is something to that of like, you know, there's this big distraction. And so like, even if it's not inherently a revolutionary thing or whatever to like rethink your, you know, relationship with these things, I do think that all of that does help to build towards something that's a little bit better where people are a little bit more mindful and like things like that. - Yeah, and it hurt, I mean, not like emotionally, but like it hurt my ability to like get Harper kill, like talk about Harper kill. Like there was, I was posting about it so much and like trying to talk and like get people to listen when the EP was coming out. And I was, I think I was just like, fuck it. If the music's good enough, people will hear it without me, you know, spamming on Twitter anyway. But I am. - Well, I think it's very interesting, you know, kind of going back to like the older generations of like independent and kind of DIY music. It does kind of feel like sometimes we've lost the, lost the ancient texts, so to speak, as far as like promoting things without the internet because people used to just like mail each other tapes and like just like, you know, put posters on the walls and like go out fliring and things like that. And like, I've done that and it's like, it takes some time to like do all of these things and you don't see any immediate reward because it's like, you know, you go out fliring to put up something for like your show or whatever. You don't necessarily know how many people who came out to that show even saw that. So you're like, I don't know, it might be working. I have no idea because it's all analog. There's no like analytics to it or anything like that. - I know this is a visual medium or an audio medium, but do you want to see this poster that I made that I've been putting up? - Yes, absolutely. - Here, I have it on the wall. - I have it on the wall. - So this is perfect. - I have it right here. So it's on the wall behind me. You can maybe see it a little bit, but I have copies right here. I really love goofy bullshit. And I love men from the 1920s. And so this is one of the posters. A section of things. - I'm a big stooge head. I love the three stooge's. Let's see. So this is what I've been putting up and I've lost so many of these. So this is a poster that I put up around. - That looks sick. - Thank you. It says, they be fooling from Harper Kale. Songs about a car crash, buying drugs, being broke, and 11 other sincere songs for Sinek's. Only 1.5 love songs out everywhere you can listen to music. And I put a little QR code on there so that I can tell if somebody stands. - Oh, so you can get the analytics from it too? - Yeah. - It's actually smart. - And then down there, I got a Mo from the three stooge's and WC field saying, "I dig it while I don't." (laughing) There you go. - That's my sense of humor, I'm sorry. - You know, now that I'm thinking about it actually, 'cause we were talking about writing new music and that kind of thing, I am curious how your process starts as far as like, are you somebody who starts with the lyrics or are you somebody who starts with like a riff and then kind of like writes around it? - I am riffless. I don't, I have, I am riffless. I can't riff. I am a, it really changes. So like, I try and keep a notebook on me like when I'm just chilling around 'cause I feel like the biggest thing for me is like, I'll just, I'll be reading or I'll be watching something and like a word will like, just get my head and stuck. And then a, it'll metamorphicize into some weird thing. Like, it usually starts lyrics first. And then I will fuck around and eventually, I'll find something that I like, really it's like, I'll pull up a drum loop on Reaper. - It's super classic. - It's a superior drummer three. - Oh, hell yeah. (laughing) - And I love just putting that shit in there and I'll pretty much just be like, okay, well, I wanna do something cool. Let's try three, four. And then I just fuck around and try and make my lyrics fit. And other times, excuse me, other times I'll be hit with an insane Biden blast of like, of, of, you know, I need to get this out of me right now. I need to get this emotion out and I'll be amazed by how fast like cool lyrics will come out. And then other times, it's complete dog shit. It's actually mostly dog shit. But you get a lot, you know, I think working as much as you can And just doing it. as much as you possibly can will get you the best output. Like, don't wait, don't think like I can't do this until this, like just do it with whatever you can. Just fucking do it. And you will make something good eventually. - I've come up with a phrase that I personally really like, which is before you can make good shit, you just have to make a bunch of shit. (laughing) And there's been my go-to for like thinking about anything, is like you just have to make a bunch of shit before you can be making good shit. - Yeah. - Everything I've done before Harper Kill is dog shit. It is horrible. Like I am sorry, if you ever go back and listen anything I did before, I don't. Like it's not good, but you need to do that. Like you need to make a fool of yourself and try things that you, and find out what you aren't good at. Like, you know, like you need to find out what you can do. - There's a beauty to kind of crashing and burning in a way because it's like you're finding your artistic voice in the process, but at the same time it's like, it feels so humiliating every step of the way. - But the best thing about it is, is if you get this out of the way now, you don't have to feel it that later. - That is true. - Get all that shit put out before like, put out all your dog shit, 'cause the first stuff you write is going to be bad, no matter what. But like if you put out the bad stuff now, and don't worry about like the emotion behind it, 'cause eventually you're gonna be making something like the Harper Kill album for me. That is so much emotion behind it, that if it was the first thing I did, it would be horrible. - Well, and I think that that's another thing too, is like, you know, even if you write a shitty song, I do appreciate the like, you know, releasing it kind of thing, even if it's just like under like, you know, a solo project or something before you're like, I'm in a real band or whatever. - Yeah. - But like, I think it's cool to sometimes go back on that just to get perspective on how far you've grown, as well, because like for me, I know I will listen to stuff from like the first EP that I've put out in 2020, and be like, yeah, I stand by a lot of that, but like overall, the songs are not the best, you know, it sounds terrible, you know, or whatever, but it's like, it gives you perspective of like, but I've kept the elements that I like in everything else that I've done essentially, and all the stuff that I don't like isn't present in the stuff that I'm making now. So like, I think that that's just as important as having the perspective of realizing how much you've grown, as well. - The most beautiful thing for me about like, when I listen to a band's discography, or I'm listening to like an early band, it's like, you can go from hearing a band that is, okay, they're, they're, like, you can watch a band shed their influence over time, you know, to where it becomes, okay, this band is doing a Weezer thing, you know, third album comes along. What's, where's the Weezer, you know, like, where's the distorted fucking six, eight jam? And I think that's the most beautiful thing is when you see an artist like, oh, this is not what I signed up for, but I fucking love it, you know? - Yeah, and there's so, there's so many great examples of that where it's like, oh yeah, album one, probably even album two a little bit, are like, you know, kind of very, very heavily inspired by a specific thing, and then like, oh yeah, this is so totally different. - Yeah, that's why it's like, the last five years of my life have been taken over musically by Zappa Ween, and they might be giants, 'cause like, you know, I have grown to love artists where I can put on an album, and I don't know what I'm going to get, or at least like, it's so different that I don't need other artists. Like, that was, that was my big one, where his discography spans so many genres and in sounds that I can just stay in that ecosystem, you know? - I just noticed the Zappa poster on the wall, they're behind you too, with the-- - Oh yeah, with the-- - Be fart. - The SG there too. - Oh yes, that's pretty sick. - I didn't do that on purpose, but fuck it. But yeah, I just really enjoy artists that can just do, and like, do anything, and be themselves more than what genre expects of that. - Yeah. - Why it wells in the chat over here. First off, they said that they loved the self-titled album and wanted to know what artists inspired you to make music, and then they said, "Random Green Album Slander." - Green Album Slant? No, no, no, no, Green Album. Listen, the best album on the Green Album is Crab, just saying. Anyway, so Vans that like, made me want to make music. Green Day was a big one, you know? - I feel like that's very evident when you listen to the album. - Very evident. - Green Day, I love Green Day so much that I don't listen to Green Day. Does that make sense? - I think it does, actually, because I feel like I'm the same way where I almost never cue, like, Green Day up. But when I do, I'm like, holy shit, this is there the best punk band to ever exist on the face of the earth. - Yeah, it's like, I went through so much Green Day where I was like, okay, I'm singing the songs. Now, I'm like, I know this song's too much. I'm only gonna sing the harmonies. And then I'm like, okay, well, now I know everything. What's the fun? I'm only exploring it as deep as you can. - What the fuck is there left to do? And I've listened to everything they've put out so much that I feel no surprise when I'm listening to it. (laughing) So it doesn't come on the ox for me very often unless I'm just trying to work. And I'm like, okay, and so many acts on in the background. Let me chill. - To be fair, I have other albums that are like that for me as well. We're like, Led Zeppelin was a huge band for me when I was growing up. My dad used to play them all the time. But yeah, over the 28 years that I've been on this earth now, I've heard them so many times. It's like, unless I'm specifically in the mood for that and that's what I'm in the mood for, I'm probably not gonna be putting it on anymore. Like, it's a very specific vibe. But I know exactly what you're talking about with that. - So Green Day was like kind of what got me into like music. And like, it was the first album I bought with my own money at not the reprise, but like it was just called Reprise Records in Canton, Illinois. - Was it like a chain? - No, just some small dog, dog shit little place. - It sounds like something that would be like a chain record store, but I don't know why. - It's gone now. I would say they got me really into music. And then I kind of just drew like all throughout early 2010s, like middle school, all that. I kind of just drifted to like whatever music was popular playing. I got really into like real big fish. And I, that was like my big deep dives after Green Day. It was like real big fish. And I got really into Skye and like middle school for a while too. You know what you're talking about? - And then in high school, I found Jeff Rosenstock. And that was the, Jeff Rosenstock was the guy who made me be like, okay, I think I could do this. Like he made me like romanticize and idealize the touring lifestyle. - Well, when you think about it, I feel like that's what bomb the music industry was like all about, basically, was just exactly what you just said. And then this was him kind of going, all right, we're gonna put, you know, his solo project is kind of like, all right, we're gonna put this idea to rest so that I can make a little bit of money since bomb the music industry was so antithetical to like ever profiting any money at all. - Yeah, I heard, I don't love you anymore by bomb the music industry, that was my intro. And oh, I was gonna, this was another big one. Benfolds, Benfolds is a big, big, big inspo, the first Benfolds album and the self-titled biography of something messenger. I forget the name of that album. Fucking, God, I love Benfolds. He, I forget who said this, maybe it was the band themselves, but it's a punk rock for Sissy's. Like the first album is so crazy and weird and dirty and it has no electric guitar on it. It's awesome. And then Weird Al Yankovic. Weird Al Yankovic was the guy who like, I remember listening to Trigger Happy by Weird Al Yankovic all the time as a kid. And it made- - Which one was that? - That was a pastiche on the Beach Boys. That was on the Nevermind album. I forget what that was called off the deep end. It smells like Nirvana or whatever. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That song and Albuquerque were both like, I love this man. I love, he helped me see it like, you can be goofy without like his self, his like original work. His songs that weren't parodies, but more pastiche's. You could be very funny without being in your face and over about it. Like you can be subtly funny without making yourself a comedy guy, which I guess, and Hinds, I failed for him, but I appreciate the sentiment. - I feel like it's worked out for you and your lyrics though, because there are definitely some like comedic moments to like a few lines on the album that like, the first time I didn't necessarily notice and then as I listened to it like a few other times, I was like, that's a good one, I like that. - Thank you. I do take pride in a lot of the lyrics. I think I've only gotten better at it. I hope whatever we do next has all the good ones on it too. - Hell yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. - Thank you. - Is there anything else before we move on to the next part of the episode that you want to mention? Do you have any live shows coming up or anything like that? - Nope, no live shows right now. - Okay. - We're just chilling. We're working on getting a new T-shirt out right now. So we're once, 'cause we played a few runs of shows and just sold out of all of our shit. So we're trying to stock back up before we hit back into the crowds. - Yeah, free share, free share. - All right, so I think it's about that time that we switch over to the next part of the episode where we're gonna be sharing some new music. so fresh finds, if you will, from underground, independent, up and coming, however you kind of want to interpret that. Artists, I'm going to go first. We'll go back and forth, which is going to give you the closer. So my first choice is by a band called Enzwell from Wisconsin, is where they're from. And this is their new song Frame Your Face, which came out earlier this month on June 5th. And it is their first new music since their last EP, which was their debut, Keepsake, came out in 2024. So this is brand new stuff. They sent it over to me. I'm stoked to show it off. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Dude, fuck yeah. Dude, right? That was cool. They are so much fun. A lot of the same guys as the band, excuse me, who are you? Really? Yeah, a lot. I know that Kyle, who does the vocals in M-Way, I believe also plays guitar in Enzwell, and Louis, who has been in a million different bands, most recently or most famously, I suppose, joining Stars Hollow, like a year ago or something like that, is also in that band as well. Yeah, that's cool. Shout out to M-Way. There's something in the water over there, man. I swear, because they're doing the most crazy insane shit that can technically still be classified as midwest emo. Because it's like, that shit is so heavy. I don't even know how to explain. It has a very throwback kind of quality, do you know what I mean? Yeah, we're post wemo, man. Yeah, for sure. It brings me back to the radio rock type stuff of the mid-2000s in a way, with some of the vocal deliveries and stuff. And I don't know exactly how to describe it or who specifically it reminds me of. I get that. It's very strange, but all of their stuff is so incredibly fun. What do we have up next? So my first one, this is West Coast by Cheap Emotion. Cheap Emotion is a band that we love. We are, I'm very good personal friends with every, you know, all the members of them of Cheap Emotion. Are they from Grand Rapids? Yes, they are Grand Rapids, locals. And Dub, the lead singer/songwriter of Cheap Emotion, was one of the first people that I met like moving up here, so shout out to Dub. This band is awesome. It means a lot to me. Some of the first shows, some of the best shows I've seen in Grand Rapids. They open for Foxing at the Pyramid Scheme. A few months ago. It was an awesome show. If you ever get the chance, you gotta see them. And this song is off there. I think it's an EP, maybe it's an album, a ROM plan. It's awesome. It's just some very viby Midwest email. Hell yeah. This shit made me cry. The world I live with fire will quit here. Only the headlights on the roadside is your mistake. But it's your shame. But I didn't mind the way it goes. But it's your shame. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] seen people in Grand Rapids. It was awesome. I feel like everybody kind of has their key person that kind of helps them get into the scene. It was awesome. Yeah, shout out, Chief Emotion can't talk about how good they are. They have a new EP out, forget the name of it, but it has a goose on it. It's really cool. Let's see, what is it called? I can pull it up, I'm sure. Oh, it's just, it's self-titled. It's Chief Emotion, the EP. Emotion EP. Run that shit, folks. It's good. Hell yeah, I'm definitely gonna be checking that out later. One of the things that I thought was really cool about it is that they have like the very Midwest Emoe kind of like capping parts, but the rest of the song feels really bluesy to me in a way that I really like. I think it's something about like the chord choices and like a little bit of the structure, but it's got like a very like bluesy kind of like root-sceness to it, which I think is really cool. I've seen that song played live so many times and watching it be watching that riff be played amazes me every single time. The tone on it is just incredible. It's so good. What kind of guitar do they play? Oh, I don't know. Typically. I don't know. I honestly haven't, I've never paid attention to that. I'm really not like a gear head. Yeah, I honestly couldn't tell you. I'm sorry. From the guy he said he has no riffs. I don't. I don't. I like I play guitar out of necessity. Yeah, necessity to get my vocals across so in writing. See, I feel like I'm the exact opposite way where I write vocals because I come up with a bunch of riffs and want to write songs and so I'm like, well, I guess I'll I have to write words because I'm not a good enough guitarist to be like, yeah, I'll write like Polypheus shit or something like that where it's like you can get away with just doing instrumental rock guitar stuff. I'm like, I can't do that. So I have to write some sort of lyrics, even if they're kind of shady. Yeah, that's why me and John go so well together is he he's a he's the exact opposite of me. It's like he doesn't write lyrics but he's always he can do riffs. He can do that shit. He's got it. I feel like the best songwriting duos are often like that though where it's like one person who's just like really locked in on like the vocals and one person who can do like really cool stuff musically. I do feel very very lucky that we all play a very important part in the band where it's like, you know, I write everything. I I do all the lyrics, I push for certain songs or you know, I try and get things started. But I can't do I'm I'm clueless when it comes to gear other than what I've used all the time and I I'm a very, you know, I'm an okay guitar player like I can play power chords. I can I mean I can do chords. I just I'm not I can't sell up. That's my big things. I can't sell. Yeah. And but John is a fantastic guitar player and he knows how to make he knows how to like change a song structure to make it more interesting. And so he really helps me out in that in that aspect. And then Danny has so many pedals. That's awesome. It is amazing. Danny is the biggest gear head I've ever met. Like the like the basis being the gear head is amazing. It is so underrated. And then I can imagine that that definitely changes up like kind of the the vibe of it a little bit. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. It's like it's I'm constantly looking to Danny for like a guru sage advice. Okay. I'm like, so which one do I turn on? Which one do I flip on here? Which one makes the do what I want it to do? And then I'm, you know, um, and then Royce, uh, you know, best drummer I've ever interacted with and also has a basement so we can practice. Oh, shit. So it's fucking awesome. Yeah. And so we all we all add something outside outside of our musical abilities. We all fill a role that otherwise would make it very hard to get things done for another band that doesn't have, you know, I've said that exact same thing though before of like the different roles outside of the musical side of things too. Because I feel like there's so many bands that kind of like burn themselves out a little bit because you have usually usually the front person, whoever that is, uh, is the person who's going to be like posting on social media all the time. They're often the face of things. So they're also doing the booking and everybody else is like kind of just, I don't know, I play in the band and then they're like, you know, doing every single thing. And I think that having somebody who can, you know, help to book shows or help to run the social media or design things or, you know, whatever. I think that that is a big difference between bands that make really good music and bands that make really good music and actually go somewhere with it. Yeah. I would not be able, we would be able to play happers. Yeah, exactly. Uh, Royce is really good about like emailing and like keeping in touch with promoters and like talking to people who can actually book a shit and I'm horrible at it. So another, another role filled. My like, I, I'm, me and Royce are definitely like super sociable and like, we, we are more so like the frontward facing like, you know, hi, we're, we're Harper Kill guys. But I'm very, I'm more of like handshaking in real life. Like, hey, we'll play show. Royce is way better at like, hey, we're Harper Kill. Can we play show blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, getting the professional shit done. We would not be able to be anywhere without Royce. That's something that I want to do actually so much like if I ever get to the, the point where I can expand the podcast a little bit more and bring in some more people kind of into the team a little bit is like, I would love to have somebody who can kind of do the like outreach side of things because I love listening to the new music that people send me, but I am so terrible about sending like an email back to somebody or anything like that. Like I, I did too much of it at work and now I'm just too burnt out and can never do it like on my own for anything else. Yeah. I think the worst for me on my biggest nightmare is being at work while the Instagram group chat for the show that I'm about to play is popping off with people asking questions, you know. And it's like, can we open, can we change the, the set around of, you know, poster stuff? I'm like, I'm at work. I don't know what the fuck, somebody else needs to do this. Yeah, I'm freaking out. Yeah, now I'm trying to make a sandwich while like my phone is buzzing like I can't answer you. I'm sorry. Yeah, I get that for sure. I'm gonna, yeah, we're gonna hire an old lady as a secretary to get our, get our shit done. That'll be awesome. Do the, uh, the Detroiters thing. Yes. Oh, my God. That would be fantastic. Hell yeah. So my next song is actually another one that got directly submitted to me. I, uh, keep forgetting to do this, but if you are listening to the show, happen to make music and want to send it my way, uh, fresh finds [email protected] is the place to do that. Or you can just like send me an Instagram DM or whatever, but I don't check those quite as often anymore. Uh, but this has been from Baltimore called statements. And they put out their debut EP like four years ago in 2022, which feels like forever ago now. Yeah, but they put out a couple of singles after that. And this next one is called fixture. And it is the first single off of an upcoming self titled EP that is going to be coming out sometime this year, but they haven't locked in a release date yet. So this is fixture by statements. School band name. I fall asleep. Has it been easier without looking over shoulder is it better with the company you came? And the breeze is still creeping in from the draft in your window the civilized war I'd fix. And it's better but I'm used to it. And if this isn't progress I'd call it purchases but I wouldn't call it my best. I'm dragging on keep holding it over my head until I come around a fixture and figure I guess I'm dragging it out. Keep holding it over my head until I come around so I know everything's fine and I hope everything's fine. To say this truth in my mind is fucking my shaft I know this I place my new apparition to I still wish it for the best. And it's not like you said to me I just let it shine you and if you lean it up and let it break over the surface of the sea so that before I show what I did say to tell me where I'm hiding so this mind will hold it tight but so it's not too tight and I'm dragging it out. And I hope it means I need to save this cause And no matter what you're stuck in my chest I know there's no place I do everything She's the world still We should bring the past to life And she'll bring me back And no matter what you're seeing And no matter what you're seeing It seems to see a. I know that I'm on a little plane There's no answer, feelin' the force, little covered, I say This is so consistent, this is everything I made and played When life was a subject, my body is old, I remember it I'm tagging out, keep holding it over my head I'm tagging out, keep holding it over my head I'm tagging out, keep holding it over my head Yeah, hell yeah Great little movement to the halftime feel at the last chorus I'm a sucker for that every single time Is that that was statements, was that bad? Statements, yeah, it spelled all caps STMNTS Yeah, they're from Baltimore and, man, when that first EP came out I used to listen to that non-stop all the time And so I'm so stoked to see them coming out with new stuff again And having like a really nice natural kind of progression To their sound from that album onto this one Oh yeah, fantastic It's such a cool, I'm also just like this kind of style Of like pop punk is really cool to me because it feels like it pulls on so many different things Where it kind of like has a riffiness during the verses That kind of is reminiscent of Midwest emo a little bit in like the licks But like everything else feels very indebted to like post-hardcore and like easy core From like 15 years ago And I love it so much It definitely sends me way back Yeah, it's like a throw, it's a modern throwback sound I feel like and I think it's so cool Like the production on it or from if the bot, you know, gave me the full experience It sounds great Yeah, well, and the thing that I think is really cool production wise too Production and songwriting kind of in one thing, you know, is that like a lot of people will write a song And then, you know, kind of produce around it or whatever And I feel like these guys know that their sound is like this hyper compressed super punchy sort of thing And so the way that they write their riffs and the way that they go back and forth between different things They keep up the energy with like the style of riffs that they're playing As opposed to kind of going like between like loud and soft It feels like it's like fast and then like a little bit slower and like that's kind of like the dynamics that they're playing with a little bit Yeah, there was a really nice like push and push and pull Yeah, but it's like it also never felt like it was running out of energy, which is like so cool And there wasn't a moment where I was like, get this over with Just a killer guitar solo too Fuck yes, fuck you shredding light crazy And you I mean so much in the last decade I feel like the dedicated guitar solo has gone by the wayside a little bit And when you have somebody who can just like this is a guitar solo that sound it sounds like it's in a spotlight if that makes you want a hundred percent yes It's like the smoke is like coming out underneath the shoes We're we're just fucking yes, it's it's the bit from like school of rock where he's like introducing the like the song for the first time Fuck and then a single spotlight exactly that's exactly what I'm picturing when I hear this and just like hell yeah man Yeah, I spoke of drinking a sixteen dollar beer Yeah, not super stoked about the price point but I am stoked about everything else about that But I need to feel this way while watching this now Precisely yeah Fuck yeah alright so what's your what's your next song? This next one is another Grand Rapids local this is a bed early by Perrin Okay Fantastic Perrin is a Grand Rapids local mainstay He is Really good at making just pop pop rock songs It's like a solo project Yes, okay, he's in some other bands called magical powers and I think he's in so many bands I forget all of it. I know magical powers yeah Yeah, and this song was one that I saw him perform live Again back when I first moved up to or when I was about to move up to Grand Rapids when I was up here for a show I saw this played and I don't think the drummer who was on this song is with them anymore But there's a fantastic like little drum and like guitar thing in the song. I love it Great singer, awesome songwriter. I love this song Oh and it's a short little one too. Alright. Let's go I know I should be in some breakfast. I should use your own anyway. And of course this one time you're on time. I know I should be in some breakfast. I guess we'll still be on time. What do I get so stressed And thank you for your patience Yeah, that is the type of shit that like real music theory nerds write when they try to write pop songs It's so simple. It's like it's so simple but it still evokes an emotion from me and that's the best thing When I've been getting very into like power pop type stuff over the last few years It was just something that like I never really appreciated as much as I should have when I was kind of growing up and things like that I was like oh yeah this is kind of cool but I've gotten to the point where I really appreciate just like some good guitar forward pop music like that is incredible I just I value a song that like the simpler a song with the more you can get like simple to like emotion felt Like if you can get the the simpleness down all the way and the emotion felt all the way up that's all I like does that for me And that song the the middle part just adds like a some tension and the vocal performance really just speaks to me in a way that makes me feel like it's more it's just like it sounds desperate and like sad and it makes me feel desperate and sad And I yeah I love it. I think it's awesome and like as soon as it happened I knew exactly what the like bass and guitar a thing that you were talking about was I was like oh yeah that is so cool Yeah, it's this weird like I don't even know how to describe if it's like a different meter or something or if it's literally just like yeah we're just playing it by feel like you know sometimes you'll see like at the end of a song It'll be like the drummer is like kind of fucking around and they'll be like we're stopping the song but we're gonna do one more hit and you know everybody's keeping to try to like match the hits basically It kind of felt like that a little bit where it's like alright everybody just try and stay as close as you can but we're gonna do some weird shit for a second Yeah when I saw them they did like a they they did that part as written but they did a few like oh can you catch me oh so I was right on point with that and that's incredible Hell yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out, Karen. Very good stuff. So my next song is by a local Detroit band that I don't even think that they've been together for like a year. I think that as far as I remember, the band is called The Mansion and I saw them playing on a show with my friends in the aromas back in February and that was when I first heard about them. I think it was like their fourth or fifth show. I think that they had ever played and they didn't have any music out at the time. So it was like I just went to go see my friends and then I saw this other band playing and I was like, this is so cool because it's like this kind of like indie pop kind of sound, which was actually this was a great transition into this next song too. So it's been working out swimmingly so far. But the one guitarist I think goes to U of M and is like studying like jazz guitar or something like that. So he's got some cool like jazz licks and they do some kind of like jam bandy stuff live which is really interesting. But this is the first single that they have released. It came out how long ago now. Came out at the beginning of June, June 2nd. This song is called 444. Brusell. Knuckles on the side in door. Rhythms that can't be ignored. She's been holding on to, fatty sail. Burnin' to the refrigerator. Magnets that don't hold no more. She has been holding on to, down and out of luck again. Misha holds her angels, she glances down the wall. She sends her 20 years and she's got 30 minutes to go. But from clean and old rye, by the business deals and scorned lovers, not a dress without a stain on losing. To do some hurt to left hands. Hangin' pot sams, fries, and a little bit of a little bit of a stain on losing. She's been holding on to, fat ass, and a little bit of a stain on losing. She's got 30 left to go. Down and out of luck again. Misha does some friends on the pony always there. Those guys are so much fun to listen to. Do you know the band Mother Mother? I feel like I've heard the name before, but I couldn't name a song or anything. The vibe of that, the Southern, there's like a twang to that. Okay, sure. And Mother Mother has a few songs that are like this one song called Hey Loft. I wouldn't compare them musically, but like the vocal performance was comparable. It was fantastic. Yeah. Hell yeah. That was awesome. What was the name of that band? The mansion. The mansion. Is it just like regular like the mansion? Yeah. I think on social media, it has like three ends or something in like their Instagram bio or something like that, but that song is out. Yeah. That song just came out at the beginning of this month. And the other thing actually while I'm talking about their social media, their social media presence is so good in like a very strange way where it feels very detached and like, I don't know if post modern or post digital would be like a thing that makes sense, but it's like they'd never use first person pronouns of like I or we or anything like that. It's just the mansion is playing a show at this time. I love that. And like all of their art and stuff when they make promos and things like that is like shit that they made in like Microsoft Paint where it's like very clearly like like you know mouse strokes with like the way that it was like drawn and then just like very plain like sans serif text, but it's like they've been doing this shit for the entire like length of the account. And it's like it feels so brilliant because it stands alone so differently than any other band that I've seen on social media right now. It's so cool. Fucking respect. I'm gonna follow them. They are so much fun and they also kind of did the thing of like the oh yeah let's try and match hits where we're just gonna like kind of play it a seemingly random pace for a little while. Yeah, but it's like yeah those guys so much fun such a cool sound. And I think they're even cooler live personally because like they really kind of play into like those jammy sections and like extend them out a little bit and like fuck yeah. It's so cool. I can't recommend seeing them enough if they ever come through. I know that they came out to Chicago recently. So they are expanding their radius beyond just kind of like the Detroit and Arbor area. Cool. So I would love to see them. I wouldn't be surprised if they came out to Grand Rapids sometime this year. If they're in the area there's nothing stopping them from playing steam or mulligan or something like that. I highly recommend checking them out live. Fuck yeah. And I'm really looking forward to seeing what everything else that they release is going to be because they made it sound like they were working towards an EP or an album or something when I was talking to them. Hell yeah. All right. Next one moving on to your next tune. Hell yes. This next one is a song called "Sticky Fingers" by the George. The George. The George. The George. Interesting band name. Yes. So here's funny story. So I'm also friends with the members of this band but they are not Grand Rapids. Okay. I met these guys 10, probably 10 years ago through like just music Twitter. And we've just stayed friends. We've visited each other. We've like we've just been the best of friends for years and years. And where are they based out of? Tampa, Florida. Oh all right. Totally the way then. Yes. They make they are like a psych rock pop band. Oh that's so sick. Okay. It is awesome. And Seb the lead songwriter, lead singer of the George. Him and Jackson and another member. They used to be just a duo called the George to Stanzas. Okay. And then and then when they went full band they dropped the castanzas and just went the George. The George. And Seb is an amazing songwriter which you will hear very influenced by Zappa and Beatles. He has they just have a very unique sound especially for their scene. I think you guys will we'll fuck with it. This song is them at their bluesiest and their hardest. Okay. And it's it's a trip. I love it. I'm very into that. All right, sticky fingers clutchin' all 10th thing that don't belong me Way to the widows can't even feel that something wrong me Yeah, sticky fingers touching hands Arizona deserts man, oh yeah Taking pictures on drink, yeah Lost my fortune in the sand Come on, come on, come on, come on now I will buy my time, wait for drums, but come in and on the beat I will lay my head now, while you drink me as I pay, man, and I drink Yeah, sticky fingers touching hands Arizona deserts man, oh yeah Taking pictures on drink, yeah Lost my fortune in the sand Come on, come on, come on now Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey (rock music) - Classic fadeout too. - You don't really see any fadeouts these days. - You don't, and I love the guitar solo fadeout so much. - Oh, fucking good. - I'm usually a fadeout hater, but that fadeout, I love. - See, it feels like it perfectly serves the vibe of what this song is and what it's trying to replicate in a great way. My first thought before it got into the more psychedelic stuff was this sounds like if the Rolling Stones and Leonard Skinnerd had a baby. - Which is such a weird combination, but it's so cool. - I wonder if they'd agree with that assessment. - 'Cause it's like, at first I was kind of getting this sort of like a little bit poppy, bluesy sort of thing. Kind of like what the Rolling Stones did, but it just felt like it was from Alabama. - Yeah. - If that makes any sense. And then there was a second where I kind of got like in the bridge section, a little bit of a ZZ top five too. And I love all of those bands so much as far as like, kind of throwback 60s, 70s type stuff. It's so cool. - I cannot recommend enough. The George put out an album, maybe it was the, I forget, two years ago, it was my album of the year. I still listen to it all the time. It's called "Yoyo Club." - Okay, it's the same album that this song is on. - Yes. - Okay. - It's called "Yoyo Club." It is fantastic. I seriously, it is, I am jealous that they put out an album that good. I wish I could put out something as good as the "Yoyo Club" by the George. - The thing that I find really interesting to, this is something that like a lot of the time, the DIY stuff that I find, you know, people in my family don't necessarily always like get. I feel like this is something I could show my dad and he'd just instantly be like, oh yeah, this is sick. - Yeah, 'cause they're fucking geniuses. 'Cause they're so good. They're fantastic. Seriously, they're all great. They need more love. - So you said that these guys are from Tampa? Is that right? - Yeah, Tampa, Florida. - And how long have they been together? You said that you kind of met up with them on social media. - Yeah, so we've been friends since 2015 and 2015. - Oh, wow. - A long time. They're still, the guys in that band are still a part of like my weekly, like when I play video games, we're playing them with them, like that type shit. But yeah, they're in Tampa and they're not like, they don't play the social media game crazy so they don't get a lot of love. And especially not from outside of Florida, which I think that they need to be heard more. Like they are straight up one of my favorite bands ever. - And that sucks because like they should be such a big name in like kind of the underground music scene, just based off of that, I'm like, that's incredible. But it's like, it does kind of suck that like, expanding beyond like your state really kind of does require like a bit more dedicated focus on like the social media stuff and like all that. - It's the worst. - It's the way that it goes. But man, the George, not what I was expecting at all and in the best possible way, I think. The whole album is a lot of very good psychedelic pop folk. It really, it's a genre spanning album. It's awesome. - It's so cool. - I get, literally after we're done recording, I'm just gonna put on this whole album. - You fuck yes, hell yes. We need more people repping these guys. - So my next song is by a band from Nashville called Topiary Creatures. - Okay. - I've heard of them. - I've never listened, but I've heard of them. - Let me just say, yeah, they've gotten some pretty decent buzz around their last couple of releases. Their last one came out, I think like two years ago, title is being dumb and won't let me see their other releases, but it was the paranormal tech support hotline or something like that was the name of the album, the last one. And this next one, or the most recent one, is Reenhouse Obile, Obile, Obile. - Somebody, I forget the name of the Bryson, whose their main songwriter, I think, has a much better vocabulary than me clearly. But they're such a cool band because they are the type of band that makes songs that, A, they span a bunch of different styles. Like they have some stuff that's like almost hardcore on here and then they have stuff that's like, you know, just like the prettiest thing you've ever heard at the same time. And they're all like big music nerds and shit like that too. So they always have like the most interesting chord choices and things. And I think they've also mentioned that when they write their lyrics, it's typically written like a poem basically with no like intended melody necessarily going into it. They just kind of write a poem and then they're like, we're gonna figure out a song to go around it. And so like you'll notice the vocals very, are very poetic in a way where it's like they don't do a whole lot of like rhyming and stuff like that, but they're just so evocative. I think it's the best way to talk about it. So this is the song, another round for P Quinn. It was an album cut, but I thought it was so cool. So this is Topiary Creatures. - Yes. (upbeat music) ♪ ♪ ♪ Our two-faced eyes ♪ ♪ Through a stained glass window ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ In a cycle can ♪ ♪ Shove in a castle wall ♪ ♪ Sounds I'm going to spy ♪ ♪ This the future of ♪ 君を カブランの カブランの Don't call us now, we're here to die out Don't call us now, we're here to die out Don't call us now, we're here to die out There are songs hiding in the liking and the hesitations of 80-year-old men and the smell of seafood and old coastal buildings and the sleepless eyes of someone you've known since they were a child and suddenly I am uprooted, irrigated to the dark violent castle where reality screeches him to the guttural octaves in a language you can feel but cannot understand Worfed, punished, fed, shriveled into a prayerful witness, I am no treasure hunt, I am no melody, I am sorry And I feel so bad having to cut it off there but they're very much an album band and so all of their songs just kind of like transition into each other That was all, I saved that, like in the middle of that song I looked that up and saved it That was fantastic, that was like they're the coolest motherfuckers in DIY music, I swear to God It was so cool, there's an eno in there, some fucking music concrete, we love that, we love that don't we folks It's so cool, they are very sound designing in a lot of their stuff and it kills me having to choose just one song Because it's like I really just want to be like oh yeah just listen to the whole album because it's made to be experienced that way You can tell by how short a lot of some of the songs are because they just like transition into another song or whatever And there's a few that kind of have different like almost acts to them if you think about it where it's like one song But it like it feels like two and sometimes kind of yeah, I've got this I got this zap a record lumpy gravy which is just two sides both one song but it's like yeah Just a bunch of compilation of music concrete 30-second songs shit like that the sucker for it It's so cool and also a very interesting shout all of the woodwind arrangements were done by an artist Let's see what was their name maize denio I think it is maize denio who is also in a band called vining I don't know much about them but I wanted to look that up like before I featured it so I could kind of give that shout out to I think that's probably a band that I'm going to look into relatively soon because those arrangements were incredible Yeah, amazing. I just assumed they were sampled. No, I think that that is somebody who plays a bunch of woodwinds and like wrote that entire arrangement and recorded it all and I think that was all like actual real shit That's really cool Also really cool in like the world of DIY where so many people are like oh yeah I play guitar or drums bass And we don't necessarily have like the people who do like those types of things And so if you're going to it either ends up being like you outsource to a random person on Fiverr or you just use like whatever samples you can find or whatever If it was up to me we'd have a fucking saxophone player and two trombonists That'd be so sad I don't have my saxophone anymore I played alto sax in middle school and then in high school I moved to the berry sax Which I actually liked even more it was kind of a funny thing where nobody else in the school wanted to play the berry sax And so I came in as a freshman and they said we'll screw you The freshman is gonna have to do the thing that nobody else wants to do And I thought it was kind of cool and so I stuck with it all four years But obviously I never owned a berry sax because those are several thousand dollars Whereas I think my little Yamaha alto sax that I had was probably like a hundred and fifty dollars or something Yeah Jeff Rosenstock made me think sax was the coolest thing in the world Dude for real Like I feel so lucky to have been able to see Jeff play sax live I didn't really wait does he play the sax? Yes on some on some things Oh shit I didn't realize that he was a sax player Oh yeah Because I knew that they especially in like bomb the music industry era Very much had like some scott tendencies and then there was like what was it scott dream that came out in like 2020 But I didn't realize that I figured that that was other band members No he really I think to find out I think they traded off to somebody else in the band for some songs But I know for me he played it during the nausea solo Oh okay I'm gonna have to look that up later to remind myself what that one was But yeah what do we have up next? Yes I just realized by the way that this song is like five minutes long So if you want to cut it like halfway through that's fine with me Yeah we can play all five minutes Cool I almost chose a song that was nine minutes and I was like I don't know that might be a little too long but I think five is chill Cool This is Mingus is from Watts by the marijuana brass I didn't realize that the marijuana brass had anything recorded that wasn't just like a YouTube live set I think this is a YouTube live set Oh okay Or maybe it's not maybe it's a demo but it says demo in the Spotify thing So maybe I don't know how it was recorded but this is my favorite thing that they have out And I don't know what their status is but I love this song and I might be It really reminds me of like first album like the demo tape for real big fish before they got signed It's awesome, it's a vibe very dark and crony I love it, I love this ship [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Hell yeah. Fuck yes. I don't know what the status of marijuana brass is. Last I heard they had a record deal, but with some DIY label. But I don't do marijuana. I thought that I had heard about that before too, but I didn't. Yeah, I heard about it, but then they sold t-shirts, and I got two of them. I love them. And I want them back. I love the marijuana brass. Bring it. Bring that shit back. They are such a great band. Yeah, I mean, they're basically just like, they are essentially tricking people into liking jazz music. Because they're just making jazz, but calling it Scott. It's actually, 'cause it has the, the Scott bit to it, but it's like the main form is just, that's just a jazz tune. Yeah. It's great. I love, like, I've grown to love just chaotic horns in music. Yeah. Like, I love it. It's my favorite things. It just, it just, it is a spot for me. And they do it so well. And they're, they're social media presence before they disappeared was awesome. Yeah. Well, see, and that's the thing. Like, I had never even listened to the marijuana brass ever, but I was like, I knew who they were, and I knew that they were all a bunch of chillers, you know? (laughs) It is, I feel like, I think that the status, as far as I understand, is that, I don't know about any new records or anything like that, but I think kind of the main sort of thing with them is I think that all, a lot of them are also, often hired guns, who will go out and tour with other people, specifically other like ska bands and stuff like that, because often bands will have one full-time member who does all the horns on the record, and then you're just sharing a bunch of members. Like, if you go to a ska show, there's gonna be like one dude who plays a trombone, who's gonna be like in every single set, (laughs) basically. - Yeah. - So I think that that's kind of their deal is they're doing the marijuana brass in between everybody's stints touring with other acts and things like that. I think that that's kind of the deal. - Hell yes. - But I'm not entirely sure. - Totally sure. - If they re-record this, like I love the dingy sound of that. - Oh yeah. - Like, have you heard the real big fish demo tape? - I have not, no. - It's, what is it called? I think it's called, I don't know. - Is it on streaming or is it something that you'd have to, I feel like back in the day, it would be the type of thing that you would just, like, stumble onto on YouTube somewhere. - Yeah. It's, the album cover is of a, of like a kid getting its bit lit by a dog. And the sound is so dingy, like it's missing horn parts of songs that are on from the radio off. - Okay. - And it like, you can tell that the horns are recorded in untreated rooms away from a microphone or at like all in one take instead of separate. - That's kind of sick though. - It's awesome. I prefer a few of those songs better than the, the turn the radio off version. - I think that there's just something to the live energy of like that, that just like, can't necessarily be matched in the studio. And I think it's, it's a perfect storm of so many different things of like, the fact that you know that it's going to be the one time that you play the song that night. - Yeah. - That you have the crowd giving you like extra energy and stuff like that. But it's so interesting that there are some bands who excel so well live, but then can't really play as well on the record or other bands who like sound fantastic on the record, but can't you know really do the live. I'm curious what you prefer. If there were a band that is incredible live and terrible on a recording or incredible in the studio and just terrible live, what do you prefer. - Oh god, fuck, that's hard. Well, I would say, let's see, if I'm going to take an example, like Blink 182 is good on record, horrible live. Now one that's good live and bad on record, that would be horrible. You know what? I think I'm going to say, I prefer it when they are good on album. - Okay. - And not live because, at least then you have like a Beatles type situation where it's like all right, they're not even focusing on live. They're just going to fuck around in the studio and they'll perfect it like that. - That's fair. - Like if you're trying to like, if you're trying to gig and also do crazy music, you have to have like that sacrifice of like what can I realistically perform? - Yeah. - And like if you're not even going to deal with that or if you're just going to do it badly and I can ignore it, then let me have the albums where you sound amazing. - Yeah, I think that that's a good point. My thought kind of going in the slightly opposite direction is like, I just love an experience. So there have been several bands that like I've seen live just like opening for somebody. And I'm like, oh, these guys are so sick. Like I'm just going to get like a t-shirt or something and like I go to listen to the album like on the drive home from the show or something like that. And I'm like, this is kind of not great. But I'm like, at least I still have the experience and I still have like the shirt to remind me of the experience. But I feel like maybe there is a little bit more of a let down of like seeing a band live that blows you away and then going to like the studio stuff and being like, it's okay. - And then I also, I don't mind when artists are not bad but different live. Like I think that that's really cool actually. - Like even going further than just like extending solo bits to where you can jam like beat like, you know, again, to hit the ween, like the ween well is like they play so many songs in different style. - I need to hit a ween counter somewhere in the edit. - Dude, please. You will join everybody else in my life. Everybody else in my life has a ween counter above their head for me. Like a band that is able to just do something differently live than what is shown on record. And I feel two different ways about it. One, it could be like Zappa where it's like, just play it the fucking way I know it. Stop playing it weirdly in a different time signature. Like, let me hear it how I want it. - Dude, you hear it, how I want it. - Exactly. And then other times I'm like, okay, well I've heard the record version so many times. What's the point of playing live if you can't like put a little stink on it? - Yeah. - So I see it both ways. I think it really depends on what I'm trying to get out of each artist. - Well, and often I feel like that's how a lot of songs kind of evolve is like, you'll write it for the studio and then kind of find the spirit of the song live after the fact. And it kind of like takes a slightly different shape. And I think that that's really cool. - Yeah, I mean, I guess it didn't quite take a different shape. But the EP songs off the album, we definitely got to take notes from performing them live and be like, all right, what do we want to add to the album version? There's backup vocals on death and taxes that Royce sings because he was singing them live because he thought that melody sounded cool. So we added it. And I think that's cool. - I honestly do a lot of the same stuff when I'm writing my solo project where I'll take them to like open mics and things like that, where I'm like in the middle of writing the song. And I'll just play it and kind of like gauge like audience reaction of like, no, this part didn't really hit or like, "Oh, people really seem to like this," just to kind of like, it's like market research, basically. Like live market research of like we'll see it we'll do it see how people like it and then kind of like tweak based on that You know, you've got guts. I couldn't like I can't do that. I mean it's it's open mics There's a very cool open mic circuit in Detroit where people are just like really chill and non-judgmental So it's a great spot to just like workshop stuff and it's so cool I've got a couple of different friends who run various different open mics around the city. That's cool Yeah, oh, yeah, so my final song of the evening is band that I discovered at Stoopfest this past year. I would assume you're familiar with stoopfest. Yes. Yeah, so we talked about Excuse me. We talked about that on the tequila mockingbird episode and I ended up running sound for one of the stages this past year when they did it and This band is called action adventure. They're kind of like a We I was talking about it before with statements, but they're kind of like an easy core type of band like modern easy core And it's so cool and I had no idea what any of the bands were gonna be that I was gonna be mixing that day really aside from like a couple of the names That I recognized so I just went in like all right Well, we'll see what it is and these guys blew me away. I like had to buy their CD like right after the set It was great. So this is gonna be real juicer hours by action to adventure. Nice damn. There we Had another break down It's just me Time and time again Looking at the time we never I heard you had another break down It's every day It's every day We're getting with the short news I'm so sorry for the bad news Time and time again Looking at the time we never spent I heard you had another break down It's every day I'm running out of news to say You know who cheers I guess I'll see the running break So much fun. It was like made a parade if it was good It was awesome That shit was fantastic Yeah, those guys blew me away when I Saw that because like again just completely expecting nothing I'm like doing my job helping them load in you know whatever We're doing all that and then like I hear them like just the first song. I was like holy shit These guys are awesome Yeah, that was great production very good performances Apparently it was put out on pure noise too, which I didn't realize until just now but yeah that one came out last year They have I think One more album that they've put out which is called imposter syndrome But yeah, these guys are super cool. I'm trying to find where they're from. I need to look that up Let's see here on the pure noise website They're from Chicago. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I figured that they were somewhere from the Midwest because they had I knew that they weren't from Detroit And they had some lyric in one of their songs. It was like about being on the road or whatever talking about staying in Detroit And so I was like okay, so they're probably from like the Midwest somewhere, but I didn't know for sure where I see But yeah, I highly recommend that entire album my other favorite song off of that I think is floor time Floor time? Yeah, it's about just laying on the floor into spare which you know we've all we've all had that time in our lives Multiple multiple fuck at least one. Yeah, so how are we finishing this thing off man? Well finishing this off with a band that I love This is a song called Selfish by Columbus, Ohio's Kill, Gosling. This is so funny because anytime I hear their name or Harper kill I always get the two confused for like half a second. I swear it was so fucking funny that we decided on Harper kill and then like two weeks later I found Waster by Kill, Gosling and I was like fuck But But now but now I've embraced it. I'm just like I just want to play a show with these guys I feel like your sounds would like work really well on a build together. I love them. I love this band and if it was possible I would love to play with them I'm talking you Gosling. I don't I forget I don't know your real name But yeah fucking this song is called Selfish and it is just it's just awesome. This is one of my favorite songs of the last like five years Yeah, I love this whole project. It's incredible That's incredible. Let's go. I've never asked for money, but maybe we can raise a glass for one. It's not anybody I would need. I can't stop feeling selfish, but I will. I suppose I held it on the floor to learn what to find in everything of nowhere. 'Cause tonight's too very soon. I know you can't wake up one day at a time and I go up and ask the judge I can't stop feeling selfish, but I will. - What a ballerass move to end your project on that. - Yeah, I love how dirty this production on this whole project is too. Like it's so noisy. It's like a great like very like cathartic way. - I put it up there with the Kudro EP for like how the noise rock. It's awesome. Yeah. - I'm so disappointed that I wasn't able to get one of the tapes when they had a made through we're trying records. - Yeah. - Like those were so cool. Look, I love just like the pink on pink look of it. It was so cool. - Did they put this out now? It's not on vinyl, is it? - I don't think so. I think it was just the cassette tapes that they did. - I would, dude, if they ever put this out on vinyl, I'd buy it five times. - We're trying records, looking at you guys. - Let's go, we're trying records. I'm actually trying to get the guy behind we're trying records on an episode of the podcast here coming up soon. So maybe I will make that request for you and we'll see if we can find anything. - Please. - It might be a lathe cut or instead of a stamp, but who knows? (laughing) - I don't give a shit. Just let me put it on a turntable. - Yeah. - I also like looking at killgosslings, like catalog. I also love the aesthetic style that they have for their covers, where that one was obviously off of Waster, which is an incredible project, but before that they put out ongoing balled and giving up. And whatever artist that they're working with, I feel like the aesthetic style is at least the same if it's not the same artist. And I love that style so much. It looks really, really cool. - Yeah, it is fantastic. I love it. It's all very aesthetically pleasing. They know what they're doing. - I think that my favorite song on this album is, or a project, I guess it's an EP, is Cow Tools. I think that one's my favorite. But I mean, the entire thing, every time I go and listen to one of those songs, I usually just queue up the entire thing, 'cause it's like less than 10 minutes anyway, so why not? - Nothing will be. - They're very efficient with their songwriting. - 100% and that's what I fucking love that. They're like, they got the, they went to the Joyce Mann or school songwriter. - Yeah. I have honestly recently been getting very into the idea of like really short and like efficient songs like that. There's something so interesting to, like Liquid Mike is another great example. Almost no Liquid Mike song is longer than like, two and a half minutes. But they're, and usually they only have like, one chorus and one verse. Like they're super short, but they're, the catchiest rock and roll songs on the fucking planet. - Yes, I am taking Liquid Mike and Joyce Mann are very much influences for my songwriting right now with that. - Oh hell yeah. - There's so much, you know, the album has, it's a long album, you know, it's this. - It is. I was actually surprised the first time I listened to it that it was like almost a full hour worth of, 'cause I mean, even just outside of like short songs, type of thing, just in DIY music in general, often albums on the long end are like 40 minutes. - Yeah, you know, you know, there's a lot, we had a lot of songs that we wanted to get heard. But I was fucking forgot. - Talking about efficient songwriting and it's like, being inspired by like Joyce Manor and. - Yeah, we had so many songs that are like, three and a half minutes to like four, where it's like, you know, it's fun to branch out and do, you know, long solos and like, you know, repeating versus with different lyrics, but it does come to a point where it's like, I'm playing these songs live, dog. I gotta, I gotta have a little bit of a reprieve. And, you know, I'm, the way we operate lives, I play rhythm and I sing. So it's like, we're playing Lassitude. We, you know, we open up most shows with Lassitude now. You know, that's a five minute long song. - Yeah, and it's, it's, it's taxing, but it's also awesome, which is why I don't mind doing it. But it's a fantastic opener. - Thank you. See, we did have like some debate about whether to open like the album with a five minute long song, but I, I think it's, you know, it plunges you into it. Pretty good. - Yeah. - I was gonna say, but so I think practicing restraint and figuring out how you can make the most out of like two or two and a half minutes rather than like, spreading it out to five. I'm really trying to exercise that and just, you know, do my, do my work, do my Joyce Man or homework. - Yeah. It's so funny. I was actually talking about this on an episode, a couple episodes back, but Joyce Manor were one that I was really late on, where like, all of their classic stuff came out when I was younger. And I probably should have been aware of them, but I just wasn't. I think it was one of those things where it was like, I heard, oh, was it Catalina Fight Song, I think. - Yeah. - Like, I had heard that like, or at least the first like, few bars of it, you know, a million times, but like, I had just never listened to it and I kind of got to the point of like, I think it's too late now. I think it's too late for me to get into this band. And then they released the album that I used to go to this bar this year. And I was like, okay, I'm hooked. I have to go back and listen to all of this. You got me hookline and sinker. - Yeah, I had a, I had a friend in college, Maddie, he had a, he had of all things, I will soon grow tired, I think, tattooed on his arm. And I was like, fuck, I guess I got to get into these guys, if he's doing this, I listen to their shades, awesome. They're, did you ever listen to 40 ounces to Fresno? - I think I've listened to it once or twice in my like, going back and like, kind of redis, and like, discovering them for the first time, you know, over the last several months. I think I've listened to it a couple of times. - That's my favorite choice, Madder, one, 40 ounces to Fresno. - And I do think that it's interesting, like, on the, you know, conversation of efficient songwriting. I think that there's a few things to that. One, A, it is fun to just like write a fast or a short song. But I think that to me, there's two things to it, which is one, you don't necessarily have to pull an idea faster than its watch, or like longer than its logical conclusion. And so I think that sometimes it'll make better songs because you're not reaching for that extra thing. But I think that there's also something to the replayability of it, 'cause like you look at a kill-gossling song or a Joyce Man or song or a liquid mic song or something like that. And it's like, it's over so quickly that you just hit repeat. And it's like, if I want more, I can get more from it. I'm just going to listen to it again. I don't necessarily need the song to be four minutes so that I can hear the chorus three times. I can just listen to the song three times and I'll get the chorus three times, it's fine. - Yeah, I agree. I think it's, whatever serves the song best is, you know, depending on what emotion you're trying to get across, I think you can, at the end of the day, it's best just to not water down your message and make it as potent as possible. The longer you spread it out, the less potent it'll be. - I think, yeah, that's a good takeaway. Is there anything else that you want to mention one last time that you might have coming up and anything else that you want to say before we sign off for the end of the episode? - No, I don't really have anything to plug other than just, like keep an eye out on like our Instagram. Well, we're working on a new shirt design before we start hitting the road. No, we're not doing any shows like that before we start playing some shows again. - You can still call it hitting the road if you want. - We're going to hit five individual streets of Grand Rapids. We will hit all those roads. Yeah, I guess the only thing I just want to say is, thanks for, if you've listened, thank you. It means the world, that's something that you can work on very hard for and think it'll go nowhere, can actually touch people and make them feel something, so it's awesome. Yeah, I think music is the best and the more people share good music, the better the world will be, so. - I agree. And thank you for coming on the show. This has been a blast, dude. - Of course, thank you. It's a-- - I have a great time. - Yeah, same. It's been fantastic. I've been great talking. - Hell yeah. This has been the Fresh Finds podcast, the show about discovering new music with good people. (upbeat rock music) Fresh. 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