Fresh Finds Podcast Season 6 Episode 3 W/ Buddy Bench

Hello, and welcome back to the Fresh Fines podcast. I'm Ryan, and joining me this episode are Joey, Chrissy, and Nick of the Denver Emo Band Buddy Bench. How are we doing, guys? Welcome to the show. How are you, my friend? I'm doing very well. It's been a bit of a busy afternoon, but we're here. This is one, I say it, I feel like at the beginning of just about every episode. But for real this time, this is one that has been in the works for a very long time, and just the timing hasn't worked out, so I'm really stoked that we finally got to do it about a month after the new record, but before we get too deep, I was wondering if you guys just want to go around, introduce yourself so that anybody who's only listening to the audio version can put a name to the voice and kind of just say what you do in the band, and we'll go from there. I'm Christian, I guess I am the primary songwriter of Buddy Bench. I've kind of just tricked these bozos into joining my little, little Don Kiyote-esque escapades. Yeah. I'm Joey, I play drums and keep time poorly for the band. Nice. Yeah, that's kind of all I do. My name's Nick Weber, I kind of came on as in a production role, so I produced the new EP recorded it in my little space, and I've also been playing guitar in the band. Playing like quote unquote, "leave guitar," which is stuff that's simpler than what Chrissy is doing as a front person, so, but yeah, that's when it's right now. What is amusing that you're the lead player, but you're playing simpler stuff than the guy who's doing everything else, too? Yeah, we need a melodic lead, but yeah, often, Christian is just shredding and I'm trying to keep up. It's really fun, it's fun challenge for me. So the band actually formed what, around 2023, is that right, or was it a little earlier than that? That sounds about right. We came over to my place in June 2023 and we wrote a Moxasillan kind of just sticking around. Right. Right. Yeah. And how long was it? Oh, go ahead. Oh, sorry. Yeah, me and Joey have played music together since high school, so it was really like something we've kind of had like an established like report, I guess, music, like, that we've worked together for a while, but yeah, just we came back together, I guess, like June of 2023, and that bounced a couple of song ideas around and then I guess committed to the idea of Buddy Bench then. Yeah. So were you guys in other bands together before that, or was it just like, oh, we're going to jam in the basement a little bit, kind of do our own thing, or were you guys actually in bands together at that time? It was kind of a band, like, we had some like, parking lot gigs at coffee shops, merlays. Okay. How do we run high school? So like, we played like, you know, the battle of the bands at high school. Well, yeah. And not like a real band and like an official capacity, it mostly was just an excuse to get in Joey's basement. Hang out. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty sweet. So after that initial kind of meeting, how long did it take for you guys to kind of decide that you wanted to pursue this thing as a band and start writing more songs and working on actually producing stuff? I mean, I was doing stuff loosely under the name Buddy Bench for a while. It was just kind of like bouncing around in my head. Okay. So a few tracks on from our first EP started as like little things I was messing around with in logic or started off as school assignments for like composition class in college. Oh, okay. Right on. Yeah. So I guess Joey might actually have more of an answer to this because you were doing other stuff. You had other bands going on. Yeah. I was making stuff on my own. None of it will ever see the light of day. But I was also in a band called "Aximance Waiting to Happen" at the time with two friends where I was the lead guitar player and drummer simultaneously and you would tap a lead line with one hand and like play a simple groove with my other hand. That's sick actually. That band was fun, but I don't know. I don't want to speak ill of anything, but it kind of never really felt like it was making it out of the local town bar scene. Yeah, that's fair. So Christian came over one day and we jammed together and I was like, I already have chemistry with Christian. We can make something really, really cool and special, so I hate to use this word, but it was kind of an out of the other thing I was doing to focus on something that was a little more creatively fulfilling. Yeah. And Christian was living in the city at the time with all of our other friends. I was the only one who still lived in the town we grew up and then I moved a little closer so it just kind of made it so us being able to hang out and jam together was way more viable and things just kind of took off from there. But what was the actual, like, how did you come up with the name Buddy Bench? You said that you were using Buddy Bench for stuff before, like, this was kind of a band. Like, where did that come from? Well, I don't know. I think it loosely came from, like, we received a Snapchat just like in like our old Snapchat group chat. I think back in high school, maybe this was like freshman year of college from our good buddy Logan. It was just middle of the night at a playground and there was a Buddy Bench. I don't know. There's something weird and, like, gliminal and like kind of freaky linchyan about this picture. So just kind of stuck in my brain. But it was really just like, it's not the worst name in the world. So it kind of just, I don't know. It just stuck in my brain. And how do you differentiate a Buddy Bench from just a regular Park Bench? Oh, yeah. We got a little label. Oh, yeah. This is a thing that I think is like a specific Colorado thing. I don't think so. I think it's just like, I don't really know the legality of us using a Buddy Bench yet. So I think it's keep it on the down low, keep it on the down low. Right. It's like a little like initiatives like the concept of it is just like, oh, these fun decorated benches put on like playgrounds for like elementary school students or it's almost like a way for like, if you don't have friends to hang out with during recess, you sit on the Buddy Bench and it's like an open invitation for someone to come join you on the Buddy Bench. So it's like a, I guess just like an anti-bullying initiative for kids or like a community building initiative for like five year olds. That's actually kind of cool. I like that a lot. Like it's kind of sweet and it's also kind of like just the right amount of kind of funny and like ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And then not long after you guys kind of became a band officially, you recorded and put out Venus which came out in November of that same year. Yes. And you guys produced that all just like in your bedroom home studio basically. Yeah. I pretty much did everything. That whole first EP is actually all programs, drums. So Joey sent over just MIDI files. I'm so glad you were surprised by that because I was really sure. Yes. So Joey would just send me over MIDI files and I would plug them. Venus has just done logic, soak out kit, the classic. We got Venus out. I invested in a nicer plug-in, addictive drums. No, you did it. I did. Joey Pott, because we both kind of agree that, oh, this sounds like shit. So the rest of the EP, the other four tracks were done on addictive drums. So everything was done completely remotely pretty much. I think the only thing that me and Joey did together besides writing and jamming was vocals because I didn't want to scream in my apartment. I wanted to scream in his basement. Yeah. I think that is a little more conducive to me allowing myself to actually do what needs to be done. I totally get that because I produce all of my music in my apartment and there's definitely time. So I'm like, man, I want to go through this note and it's like, you know, it's a bit of a stretch and you're like, man, I don't want my neighbors to be here and be fucking this up for the next hour and a half. Shout out to my roommates at the time, though, because they just had to deal with that and they never said anything about it, so I was living in a house with like five other people at the time. Oh, right on. Yeah. And so-- They like body bench flourish. So that was nice. Hey, that's sweet. And while you guys were working on that, how quickly did you start getting on shows and like playing out in the local area and all that kind of stuff? You know, we released "Amoxicillin" the second single off that EP in what was it January of that year? Something like that? Yeah. Yeah, it was like Thanksgiving pretty much and then "Amoxicillin" came out that January. I think our first show is March. Oh, OK. Yeah. So it was definitely a couple of months after the first two singles had even been out. We played a few shows and then-- I think our third ever show, which was with the "A Place for Owls" boys, "Home of Nick Weber," of course, that following November. So it took us like almost a whole year or more than a whole year, even to-- No, the EP dropped in October. So almost a whole year from Venus to the EP drop, we put like three shows in between then. OK. And then once the EP was out, we started playing shows a little more regularly. I think we had to show every month or so. and what's the scene like around there because I'm familiar with like a few different acts of course a place for Owls, buddy bench, Jake G, finding areas I think is from around there too, right? I don't really know anybody like outside of that so I'm curious what the rest of the scene is like and if there is like a big sort of emo movement there or if it's like playing with a lot of more indie bands or what's kind of the deal with that. Is it's playing with a lot of heavier bands actually? Really? Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. We have been like the the bubble blowing babies of. Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff in Denver though. Got a fun like kind of mixed bill stuff going on. Yeah, a broken record like what are good friends. I've definitely heard of that band, but I don't think I've ever listened to them before. Oh, they're incredible. Definitely kind of more like kind of like heavy a lot of quick chorus. Like you could tell the lot of the person love the cure. Okay, they love Jimmy like early Jimmy world. Oh nice. Yeah, okay. There's like some weezer in there too, but it's it's heavier and we're and they blow out the speakers of every show they play it. They're so loud. They're so loud. They rock so hard. Yeah, they're all sick. But yeah, mini love, white oak doors. A lot of like really killer either like hardcore or like more like melodic hardcore stuff or okay. Yeah, it definitely skews heavier though in general. Let's do up in the mountains so you just make heavy music. I think there's literally a South Park episode about this. Yeah, I think there's there is a historically like a lot of like kind of got punk roots in Denver. Okay, so I think that like kind of like seen and like heaviness is kind of like fall through in a big way. Well, is it a is it Christy front drive from Colorado as well? That's right. Yeah, that I mean that's huge for Ebo history. You know, convinced Jimmy world not to be a skate punk band. Exactly. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, whatever I can't remember what that split was called. But yeah, I mean, that's basically why static prevails exists. It's Christy front drive, which is a Denver Denver emo band. I was going to say this is probably a really good question for Nick because we kind of got ushered into the emo scene through a place for owls. Yeah, they did a lot for us. I feel like there's just a lot going on in Denver and it's it's pretty transient to you. Just like people tend to if they're not from here originally, there's just like a ton of transplants. And so so much talent just like blowing through Denver. Okay, right. It often results in bands that just kind of like stick around for a couple of years or something and then just kind of like disappear. Is it a lot of college bands too? I'm not actually like I'm not as connected with the college scene. Yeah, but it happens up in Boulder specifically definitely. Yeah, if you're tripping up and down the hill in Boulder, which is pretty much where like all the not on can piss student housing is a hill. There's a lot of shows. You'll just playing on front porches all the time. But I don't know. I'm not really tapped into that. Yeah, I feel like in general, it's there's so much going on and just really an incredible amount of talent, but it's difficult for scenes to form because things just don't tend to stick around for super long. So I feel like yeah, for speaking for a place for owls, it took us I think like a few years to feel like we've kind of found our our folks in the music scene. But there's definitely a Denver Emo thing. Yeah, and like yeah, like Broken Record Creek, the spand blackberry crush this kind of like more. Yeah, but there's a lot going on. Yeah, they're great. Super cool folks. I love blackberry crush. Yeah, there's definitely going to be one that I come back to in the edit and like check out. Yeah, totally. I almost I almost picked one of their songs, but I'd be saying like we were able to throw a cold Denver Emo fest these past couple of well two years ago. Southwest Emo fest, which was kind of like we included New Mexico Arizona bands, but this year was all the Denver or like Colorado bands like. Lobster fight. How do we forget? Lobster fight. I didn't realize they were from around there too. Absolutely. Yeah, which is like an hour hour and a half sometimes. It's like an hour. Yeah, for me. So I was like I can't believe lobster fight is playing our too good festival. This is crazy. They didn't even headline either. They're like halfway through the bills. Well, it's crazy. And I cried, I cried during the set. But anyways, yeah, there's definitely a good thing. But I think it can be hard to like there's so much happening. And I say this is a, you know, if you live in like New York City or something, it's like I can't even imagine. But I think they're like, yeah, it just takes some time. You just kind of got to dig in and get good at making friends, you know, but it's, it's a cool scene. I feel like the Detroit scene is kind of like that too, where the Detroit Metro area is very spread out. So like you have, you know, you can drive nearly an hour, 45 minutes ish and still be kind of in like that Detroit Metro area. So there's so many just different venues and they're fairly spread out. And a lot of different styles around as well. And so it's really interesting because like even if you're super tap in, you can find a whole bunch of stuff that you just ever would have found because it's just. It's kind of segmented and splintered, but at the same time, it's also like a lot of people are playing like the same venues and stuff too. Yeah, that definitely rings well. So obviously the band started out as just the two of you and then you brought in obviously Nick and Ryan who couldn't be here with us tonight. How was the decision made that you wanted to expand the family so to speak? Like I totally get playing as a two pieces, not nearly as easy and probably a lot harder to kind of fill a space with sound, but was there more to it? Like kind of what's the story behind that? I mean, we did play our first two shows as a two piece. Yeah, we did the same thing. We just ran bass tracks. Yeah, we made a very cheap working track system. Yeah, we can get into the track system later a little bit if we have. I saw the first show. It was cool. You pulled it off. You're in Daniel came, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the outsider's perspective. That's still on YouTube. It is. That's right. But we yeah, we were thinking about expanding it. The goal was always to at least bring on a bass player. We just weren't quite sure how to go about it. Like it was okay. It's hard to like have the idea of like holding like auditions. Like, it's kind of like feels like a weird like almost two formal thing to do. We just didn't have anyone in our life who could just like totally get that on bass in the band yet. So we're just like, well, we'll write it up for now. And then Ryan was just like, Hey, I'll like I'll do it again. Ryan actually don't know how to approach us about it. So that was like literally the perfect storm. So I go, Oh, shit, we know this dude reps. We know this dude is a chiller and he's down for the cause. Yeah, he played our and we were sharing a bill with a place for owls for our next show. So he would have not to except for, you know, he had to learn a few songs, which he had already been playing one to anyway. But I would have written the base with this way. I'm like, okay, cool. I think we were only on that bill. We were only on that bill by happens. Dan Sue, right? Like another band dropped. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was. I think they're like Tennessee based, but they were. Yeah, they're from Nashville. I know them. Yeah, cool. Yeah, they're like, this is the date. We're going to be coming through Denver. Goose town. Can you do it? We're like, could we make it our release show? That's like the day our record comes out. And they're like, yeah, that's great. But then. Was that for the second record? This is how we dig in the earth. Yeah, second place for owls record. Yep. Yeah. And then, yeah, they had to drop for some reason. So we asked what event. But we'd been like, joseing to play a show with them for a long time. So we're happy to make it happen finally. And it was sick. Yeah. It seems like you guys are kind of like sister projects in that way. Definitely at this point. Yeah. We we there are more place for owls members most certainly on our last record. But just as part of like the live package, then there are original buddy bench members. So there's there's on our song. Ashtray on the new EP. There's double the amount of a place for owls members on that song. Yeah. Another thing that I was thinking about while we're talking about playing shows and all that. Have you guys played outside of like your local area much? I actually don't know if you guys have like really toured or anything like that. Now we have we've yet to play a show really outside of I don't know 10 miles of Denver. Yeah. Yeah. And we were thinking maybe with the EP this like people are asking is just that's something we've done before. So we'll have to figure it out. It is for sure. Like I feel like if we were based in like somewhere in the Midwest, there are major markets that are so much closer. So we are like in our own weird freaky little island over here in Denver. So really the nearest like market. Or like city is gonna be all for me. Yeah, yeah, that's like Albuquerque. Maybe that's the thing I've seen on a lot of like tour routing and stuff like that is usually there's like just a travel day in between like Denver and whatever the next thing is because it's so far away from anybody else that you have to basically drive a full day just to get there and then you don't want to play a show and like, you know, all that. But it has something worth it most of the time. Like, right. A lot of bands that come through are like, this is kind of a ravenous audience like that. I feel like that's something we get a lot from touring bands. You're still hungry for anything. The other thing I always wonder about touring bands playing there or bands from there that tour other places is I always wonder because you hear about it in sports all the time. The conditioning of the air pressure and like, you know, people who are from like Denver and kind of that area don't have nearly as many issues with like, you know, breathing stuff where it's like everybody who comes from closer to sea level obviously has a lot more issues with that. I would have to imagine it'd be the same vocals and like even, you know, if you're not doing vocals just believing everything out on the stage, I would have to imagine that that's gotta be something to think about too. Almost every band, like professional touring band, I see that comes through, mentions it at some point. I was gonna say, I've literally never been to a show where the band didn't go, man, it's hard to breathe here. Yeah, exactly. At almost every show, yeah. That's amazing. We're training the altitude. Exactly. You guys are doing the altitude training so that it's like in Dragon Ball when they train with the weights and stuff like that. Right. Exactly. Little broccoli weights. Yeah. So obviously, kind of moving forward a little bit. 2024 was when you released the first EP, Dibs on First Rips, which then also kind of became your record label for both of those projects, the first Rips records. Where did that whole thing come from? You guys have such interesting naming conventions for today. You got funny men, you got first Rips. And they're all like so specifically you, which I love. I think Dibs on First Rips came from, it's another high school thing. So from our old band. From that high school. Yeah. Yeah. So our buddy Chase always had like a plethora of vapes. Okay. The one that we would all bum off of. Sure. And he was also the oldest one. He had a driver's license. So he was like a provider in every sense, you know. So you'd give us rides everywhere. You'd give us nicotine. And we were just like jokingly, like you'd always park at the top of the hills again. First one, first one of the truck gets First Rips. Yeah, it was essentially shotgun, but it was first first. It's just stupid inside joke, but I don't know. I think it's fun. I do too. I think that that's great. It always reminds me of the first Harrison Gordon record on streaming the record label is just bring back Bush Apple. I always love little things like that, where it's just like a little joke. Like it's great. Yeah. That's amazing. So moving forward now fully to the new project. You guys released this project, which is I have to pull it up so that I actually get the full title right. Homes like cells, bodies like ash trays, which came out almost exactly a month ago, where a couple days early as as of recorded amps. But how was the progression there from kind of the first thing, where it was a lot more not really divorced maybe, but like a lot more you each individually doing your things versus bringing in Nick to help produce it, having a fuller lineup, how different was that process this time around. You know, still kind of a very similar writing process. It was done very remotely still for the most part, especially because the the the genesis of bringing Nick on was first and foremost as a live member, I guess, not necessarily as a like a primary contributor to the songwriting. So it was still very much like, hey, Nick, you have great intuition. He's a saxophone player as you hear a little bit on the record. It's like snuck back there in the mix. That was another thing I was going to ask about where you got you beat me to it. Also, two two people playing saxophone. Yeah, I bought a saxophone maybe two and a half months ago. I've never played saxophone in my life. Okay, but it did up because I wanted to play sax on the record. That's me. Yeah, Nick, Nick, play saxophone on the first track in the saxophone on the last track is me. Yeah, fun little side note. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I guess it's still very much like, hey, Nick, you with your saxophone player intuition come up with something cool. Yeah. And we'll put this song together in one practice and then the show's like two days after that. You know what? Pretty much what I was the Skylark show is the world's greatest sad show. Also on YouTube. Good hat. Good night. That one is great. Yeah, yeah. You guys have a lot of shows out on YouTube. It sounds like I have a lot of shooters out here that are willing to watch us for us. Yeah, they're all from the second community. I love them a lot. Oh, hell yeah. Shout out to the second community. But a lot of what made it under the record as far as what Nick is doing is just stuff he came up with and like a week in preparation for that show where we played like that's true. Yeah, I forgot about that. Right. So you're going to do that on the record since you're recording us anyway, right? And then that's how we kind of just finagled him. It's like he's just an incredible rose. Yeah. He's done a little bit. He's done the first and we're like, well, well, we're just going to have it happen. Like naturally. We're just going to try to do it. Right. Do the do just we send them a recordable garage band demos of just like court progressions, maybe a little vocal melody, like rough just scratch stuff. And you just kind of cooks and we pretty much never have notes for that guy because he's a wizard. He just that's awesome. You know, that's pretty much. He's crazy. Our writing process entirely in the span. His question goes, I wrote something and then I'll like cook up a midi drum part really quick, see if everyone's vibing with it. And then that's about it. We just go from there. Yep. So are you writing these parts and then learning them later on the drums? No, so on my ekit here, I actually just played. Oh, you program it on the ekit. Oh, yeah. So I play it on the ekit. And then I, you know, make everything nice and tidy before I send back the demo. Yeah, I was imagining you like placing it by hand and then be like, Oh, shit, I have to look at this drive. He would be trying. For sure. And then this is also a really interesting project because it's a a lot more mature lyrically. This is like a concept project for you guys, but also like a really big step forward in your sound as well because I feel like the first EP was a lot more kind of not not fully, but a little bit more like fifth wave emo more straight up. And then this almost goes into like a post rock post hardcore kind of like direction in a few, which I think is so cool. It gets really fucking heavy in a few. I'm curious what motivated that shift if it was just you were feeling a little bit darker like in your life and just felt like that was where it needed to go or a little bit. I will say as far as like thematically, sonically, just the overall tone of the first record dibs on first ribs. I almost like from the get go just wanted to get all of like the fifth wavey break up emo will be like I'm just going to sing about like an ex-partner shit out of the way. That way I cannot give myself like a reason to return to that mode of writing. Like it just it's out. It's done. It's tired. I'm just going to get it out of my system because it's just like there's a little there and that's it. I feel like it was kind of a good foot in the door a little bit too where it was like foot in the door with like this is a bit more of like what people are expecting when it comes to an emo band and then you're able to kind of give them the one to punch really kind of kind of hit it with something a little unexpected this time around. That's it. And like I think the first EP is like both records are very like I don't like to be in one mode for too long. I think both records kind of do a lot but for sure the first one was kind of a little bit more in like a third shit at the wall and see what six kind of way where the second one felt a little more deliberate. I think I got better at like finding the threads to connect all the songs together and like form a record but I did from the outset kind of want both EPs to be very like thematically tight and like weirdly cohesive from start to finish and almost like practice inflicts those muscles a little little bit. So when it comes time to write a full length LP because I do love like concept records that will be something I've done twice in his smaller capacity. And you're kind of working on that first LP right now right? Just now starting yeah I think I have like the first track of side A and first track of side B. Nice. Which I think is a fun place to start. I kind of things are taken shape little clouds are formed. I can see the gear is turning in your head a little bit You're like kind of envisioning it talking about it Yeah, I just I just wanted like not allow myself to kind of return to that a that mode of songwriting We're the second one. I don't know. I feel like the general vibe and tone of it is It's a very different world than it even was two years ago Yeah, it's it's things are things more of the same as happened and it's kind of coming to a boiling point So I guess in like my brain. I've just been in this like a more specific dour mode for the last couple years It's obviously going to show up in the second record a little bit more and that was kind of what I was getting listening to it I only read along with the lyrics for the first time this afternoon getting ready to record every other time It was always I put it on while I was doing something or whatever So it was like I I'm very much a vibes guy when I listen to music for the first time I'm not somebody who picks up on the lyrics right away and So there were like a few lines that I got here and there But this was the first time that I Read along with it and to me it really does feel like kind of watching the world hit a boiling point Especially in the age of social media where it's just information overload Constantly as opposed to you know even 10-15 years ago when it was a lot more of Like the TV news cycle now we're getting updates constantly and it felt like that was kind of where it started and then kind of went in a direction of talking about Like self-medication a little bit and then ultimately the fallout afterwards. That's what I got from it totally Yeah, yeah spot on it's just like you're saying like the Information overload kind of like attention economy is like it's kind of one you know. Yeah It's just there's a kind of a certain like emotional distance where like you kind of have to Adopt under this like you know crumbling Ever so slowly crumbling wait capitalism is like this like emotional distance. You kind of have to adopt to not like completely fall apart as a person. Yeah So yeah, just kind of hit on right on the head. Yeah, hell yeah. That's more analysis. I've done of our own EP I cooked that up in like five minutes The other thing that I do really like I love that you did a full a place for owls feature On the closing track and specifically I really like how you used Ben's vocals at the beginning of the track It almost feels like the same character, but a little bit more mature like maybe 10 years later or something looking back Looking back on everything and I really like the way that that was done because it really feels like just kind of like a Mature a more slightly more mature look back on the same things that have been talked about throughout the rest of the project right Yeah, and I I That was kind of deliberate from the get go I I wrote that song and I almost did have like been in mind for that specific purpose I think Ben is just one of those like figures in my life He I kind of like he's almost like a cool like older cousin figure to me He is just like this like role model, but he's like into the same shit. I am He was like in the like evening music, but he's also like grabs you on the shoulder and dispenses some like serious wisdom in like I wrote that song and I immediately thought of Ben I texted him a video of me playing this song and I'm like you're singing on this and it's gonna be the last song that I record And to that point I was kind of like hey if there any lyrics you want to change go for it We can hop on like a like a FaceTime call or as you can call for you what it was and I want to make this like You I don't want to make this your own. Yeah, as Ben is not someone who's Sing songs. He didn't write says to my knowledge the first time he's ever done something like this So I wanted to make sure he was comfortable in the process. I think so at least based on what he's told me And from what I just know passively Yeah, he expressed like some concern at first too because he's like this is not something that I've ever done So I want to be like hey, he did tweak a couple lines Like you feel more of his own and I'm glad that's shown through I guess I'm glad that's cool Yeah, came through and he's a very insightful guy to like I've just started a new job Like about a month ago now that I'm doing a lot of like warehouse work and stuff like that So I'm listening to okay a lot more podcasts and stuff like that to like get me through and I started listening to the Holy fool podcast That I see does that I know Nick you've been on and I think you guys were on an episode or two as well Yeah, but I swear I could listen to that dude talk for hours on end Yeah, yeah, I don't even spoke and he's like I'm going to have to get a cigarette like I'm coming He's better in part some like some wisdom distilled from like on the American spirit blues For him. I made a joke on Twitter the other day that people on it's worth going out to the smoking patio Even if you don't smoke because people who do or the best conversationalist There's yeah great cultural value in the smoke break. Yeah, yeah, yeah May not may not be good for the Health, but it's definitely good for your soul, I think yeah, it's just All right, so I think that we're getting to a good kind of transitionary point here unless there was anything else that you guys Specifically wanted to touch on that I may have missed. I don't know. Yeah, I feel like that's I've pretty much said all my thoughts on the The general concept of the record anything more. I feel like I would just be rambling for the sake of rambling. That's fair Certain things where it's like I made me pee for a reason instead of just talking for yeah, you know five hours straight Make a video essay on like the state of Your own work is crazy Well, the funny thing is I've like not not that but like you know Coming from like the audio production side of things. You see a lot of people do like mix breakdowns and stuff like that And that's something that I've always thought would be a cool thing to do but at the same time I'm like it almost feels a little masterbatory in a way And just be like oh, yeah, this is how I did this. This is how I did this and act like you know People are gonna care about it. It's like maybe they will but also maybe they won't and I'm just spending like you know However long doing this thing talking about something that I did what I could just let it speak for itself at the same time You know, right? Yeah, I think I could speak for for all people who are connected to music and musicians themselves We all know sometimes guitar players just need to shut the fuck up From the get-go so we kind of got to like reel ourselves in and beat the allegations a little bit That's just thing though. Oh, sorry good. I was just gonna say that's also why except for the case of Nick Weber Why you don't let the guitarist mix the album because that the guitar is you're just gonna be too loud and everything I'm sure you can be too much. I appreciate that. I didn't think the guitarist is pretty loud So I thank you. Thank you. It's that kind of record. It needed. Yeah. I'm so happy. We got a cute guitar player to mix the record What were you gonna say Joey? It's not it was just gonna be mean to Christian for a second Oh, okay. I was gonna say I need him to talk more often because we'll have come we'll be mid-conversation He'll pull out his phone sometimes and I go oh, it's phone time now and we're talking to the next five minutes Gen Z iPad baby I've had baby I've had baby screaming I haven't heard that one. It's good All right, so transitioning to the next part of the episode here while we're on a real high note We're gonna go around sharing some independent Up and coming DIY Music some fresh fines if you will I'm gonna have the first one. We're gonna kind of go around We've got a couple of double picks at the end to make up for the fact that the other Ryan was unable to join us But to get everything started off my first song that I wanted to play is from Beloved Chicago emo band 10 month summer This is their most recent single Which came out late April? It's the second single off of their upcoming EP that I forget the name of but I will look it up during the break But anyway, this is broken fist in a boxing glove by 10 months summer Another part. One in street, another casket's done. And there's another job put to sleep, by the exit of the garden. Half of me was enough. My therapist says, "This is not the apocalypse well." What do you call it when the water is unclean? Broken wrist in a boxing ball. Race over one upon tenor, it's getting harder to swim. Oh my God, you've grown so fast, it's getting harder to swim. Ten months summer, best band. Those guys are great. Incredible. I really love hearing this studio version because I've been listening to the other version that was on the live at Jeman record for a couple of years now because that came out even before their first official EP. It's so cool hearing the full studio version finally. They know how to write a song, man. I think that broken wrist like a boxing glove is probably one of the most evocative things I've heard in an emo song. I have so much just adoration for that track. I don't know, I think, you know, me and niche. It's a smart fucking cookie, but me and niche. I feel like we're feeling a lot of the same things as the first track on our EP. That was part of the reason that I wanted to play this too was that thematically it felt very similar. But oh my god, just that phrase is just so evocative and so simple. I feel like it just permits him to speak a little more bluntly for the rest of the song. I don't know, I feel like my track definitely lives in the more abstract in the more like in the blurry. It's not as bold as niche was on that track. It's just incredible piece of writing. It's an amazing piece of writing. I also love how their sound has kind of evolved a little bit with a bit more vocals from the rest of the gang as well. I know that Scum Drop does the screams the couple of times. Maybe them as well, but it might be one of the other guys. I love in that I think it's like a post chorus maybe when they do the sort of two vocal thing where there's the one like longer melody. And then the harder to swing harder to swing like at the same time. I love that back and forth too. I wrote that in my notes exactly. Yep, was that spot. I'm not trying to steal all your talking points. No, it's okay. I mean, I just like want to hear them live so badly. I was so stoked to get them on the five year anniversary show fresh fest that I did back in October. Yeah, incredible. I was so stoked that they said yes to that incredible. Yeah, I also and I have a sorry. I've I've I've not connected super closely with any of really the other guys in that band like Charlie and the other folks. But a niche is another one of those people where it's just like I could listen to them talk for just ever. If they've such just like a powerful choice of of diction all the time. Yeah, really like one of the most eloquent and like people. Are you remember of their discord? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I was going to say because I love anytime he does one of like the one of the listening parties for like a new song that they do or something like that. And hearing him just kind of talk about the thought process of the songs or like what they mean or like anything like that. Because like you said just incredibly well, incredibly well expressed everything that he says like it's it's so good. I also never wasted word. Really, really like the cover that they chose for this single too. So good. Because it looks like it looks like it belongs on like the back of a t-shirt or something like it's a classic hard core. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, it's really good. And then kind of giving the little bit of detail that I didn't have leading into this. This is the second and I believe final single from their upcoming second EP which comes out on the 15th of this month. In a little over a week and a half for anybody watching live and it will probably be out by the time this episode the edited version comes out. But that is coming out through we're trying records really stoked for that. What do we have up next? I believe it was Chrissy's selection next if you want to introduce that to. Absolutely. I chose one of those new, hey, I love you tracks from that single. It's about the two track single. It's just one of those bands that everything they've put out is just taking a swing in some direction. And always fucking nail it. Like they're just so unafraid to just like do whatever. I don't know, they're just champions of their craft. This is always going to be like the understand the power of like just from the fact that they wrote it. It's going to have like some sort of like through line in connection. Yeah, I'm not afraid to just take weird swings and just go like what field. Well, that's the thing that I think is really cool about them is they'll go back and forth between doing kind of like a digi core thing and doing like a very like just straight up screamo song. Because it's, you know, the same group of people doing it. There is that through line that connects them a little bit, even if it feels very, you know, left or right one way or the other way. They also call the sweeter kids one time. That is true. On your podcast. On your podcast. I forgot about that. Did it play a buddy? Such a funny video server before the if he was. Yeah, go away. I forgot that we premiered that. That's so funny. I totally forgot that that was the thing. Wow, such a lot of incredible. All right. Well, I'm going to load up the song here real quick. I'm going to load up the song. (upbeat music) , yeah. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (papers rustling) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ Do you believe me or do you believe ♪ ♪ So I want to get out of this ♪ ♪ Do you believe me or do you believe me ♪ ♪ Do you believe me or do you believe me ♪ ♪ Do you believe me or do you believe me ♪ ♪ So I'm sorry, talk it's all done ♪ ♪ I'm sorry, do you believe me or do you believe me ♪ ♪ I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry ♪ ♪ I'm sorry ♪ - Try not to stank face challenge. - Level is possible. (laughing) - But also, gnarly, gnarly, gnarly fucking challenge. - It's insane. I'm actually so stoked that you played that too, because this came out, I think, like, either last week, right, like, a couple days ago. - I think so. - I hadn't gotten the chance to listen to it yet. So I'm so stoked that my first reaction is forever immortalized on the podcast. Literally, the only thing I put in my notes was what the fuck question mark is. (laughing) - I was hanging out with Nick, Nick's Xander equipment, and our friend, Gannon, also here in Colorado last night. And we were just like gushing about this track, and I was like, "Oh, right." That's my fresh fun to play right there. I had admittedly had not given as much thought as I needed to as to what something's saying. I'm just gonna bring to the table. There's one, this song's fucking insane. - But for it to start out, so disgusting, and then just be so catchy in that little chorus section. - Yeah, it's crazy. - I feel like I got five songs for the price of one. - Yeah, yeah. (laughing) - And then when you get the slow riff, it's like so disgusting and such a non-intuitive way, and then you get the gang vocals at the end. - Yep. - And it was just like so animal brain satisfying in me on somebody level. - Well, and the heavy parts have such a like new metal bounce to them, too. - Yeah, yeah. - You go in and you're just like, I can't just not do that the entire time. You know, it's-- (laughing) - Absolutely. - Such an infectious groove. - I wonder at some point, 'cause you know how like sometimes there'll be a band that just has a sound that's so distinct to them that eventually people start ripping it off and they start calling it like just that band core. How long do you think it's gonna be until we just get a whole bunch of hey, I love you core bands? - I think it's probably already happens. - I think you're right. I think they're bubbling up right now. - Yeah, I wanna do just like a weirdo EP where I just do a bunch of random bullshit that I'll never put on a buddy-bunch record. - That'd be so sick. - I wanted to do some shit. So I'm gonna be guilty of it. I would say that. (laughing) - I love it. - I didn't want that band to be as influential as possible. They should be. - So shout out Billy's my can up. - My birth town is where Caleb is from. - Really? - When a place for house played in buildings on tour, Caleb ran our merchant. It's just like the loveliest person. - Oh yeah, so you've run that gambit on a few people. - That's right. - That's right. (laughing) - But so I think you've been wrote in the running merch a couple of times. (laughing) That's how we met them. - That's right, yeah. - Yeah. - They kind of volunteered, kind of sort of. - I don't know. (laughing) - Then so we came up to us drinking his it. - I know you, I think from the internet, you wanna run merch for us. (laughing) - Yeah. (laughing) - And the rest, as they say, is history. - Is history. - Do you wanna say also, hey, I love you sometimes reminds me of this band called Crying that I think more people should listen to. - Yes. - They actually played-- - They actually played 2016. - Yeah. - A crying song on the episode that they were on. - Oh, did it? - Like a year and a half ago. - Yeah. - I don't think I've listened to that. I need to listen to that. - Oh, you, yeah, you would love it. - Okay. - I'm glad that they actually made a real connection. (laughing) But that record, if you haven't listened to it, 2016's beyond the fleeting gales is wonderful. Hey, I love you, feels like in one way, like a huge, crazy evolution of like what they were doing. - Totally. Well, it feels like it's like a continuation because Crying, like before that album had quite a different sound too. - Yes, totally. - And so it felt like they kind of evolved than they stopped doing anything. And then, hey, I love you came onto the scene and almost picked up where they left off. - Absolutely. - They feel like a spiritual successor in a way. - Yeah, absolutely. - All right. - So, what is our next tune gonna be here? - Leave this with Joey Pick. - I'm Joey. - Yeah. - Do you want to introduce this song? - Which one? - Which one? (laughing) - It was the spinning image. - Okay. So, this is a local band in Colorado. We played a few shows with them, they're the homies. We were talking about earlier, like how we keep opening for post hardcore shows coincidentally. - Yeah. - This is one of those, this is the first time I've ever seen a man crawling on the ceiling rafter during a set, during this band. But yeah, they're awesome. I love their music. One of the shows we played with them, I got to borrow the drummer snare, whose name I'm forgetting, forgive me. And I immediately went out and bought that snare like the next day, so that kind of a wonky-ish sound to my drumming is actually hugely inspired by them. He made it sound a lot better, but, okay. (laughing) But yeah, this song's really good. I think we should just listen to it and talk about it. - Yeah. (upbeat rock music) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (music) It's a miracle that's been the time that I've regretted I've never knew that we'd become this stranger's family For me you're a silly one just girl And between the cards and my sheets When you come round I'm right here (music) That guitar shreds man Every one of that band is so talented I'm trying to figure out where I even want to start with that Like there's so many cool different things I think one of the first things broad strokes that I find really interesting is There's sort of this new post hardcore sound that's kind of happening right now Where there's a lot of post hardcore bands that are playing with a lot cleaner guitar sound That I find really interesting And these guys are kind of along those lines They've definitely got some tracks too that are a little harsher in tone all around For sure Totally It's just really interesting to see that like threat like Oh what was the name of that band? I think it's super world or something like that? Have you guys seen that? I don't know, I'm not familiar Hold on, if you're interested I can maybe pull up like a song from it And just like play like a quick second of it Just hold it I'll input it into the edit but it won't be an official pick because we won't listen to the whole thing But this band kind of does a similar thing Love the art Yeah It's very good I'm tired of this brand new vibe Like kind of similar thing going on You know what I'm talking about Great album by the way Like just a little bonus pick for anybody Yeah I need to check that out so bad It's so interesting seeing that And also like even a little bit in the hardcore scene like with bands like military gun And stuff like that almost being like a cleaner guitar sound too It's really interesting that there's these heavier genres that lean into that a little more Totally There is a counterintuitive thing where sometimes like more gain does not necessarily equal more heavy Right Yeah You need to have the riff It's the riff behind it more than anything else And the feel Yeah The other thing that I specifically noticed was like on the chorus Vocally it reminded me a lot of like late 2000s like radio rock in a way Like it sounds like something that my local station would have played it would have been one of the edgier songs that they would have played But it would have been something that that that they might have played and I find that really cool too Seeing kind of like that radio rock sound a little bit come back too Yeah it's like videos have like these like big catchy radio rock hooks Yeah God we just see in them live they have like the energy of like the scariest band ever and it kind of just just like right in the middle And it's such a good group The singer during one of their songs was one of the people crawling on the ceiling rafters during their set This sounds a circle, yes Yeah Like by example I think we also got passed through Dan to crowdsurf during one of their songs Yeah they're pictures, yeah we deal from this browse crowdsurfing and this fitting in the show Hell yeah That is a crazy thing about Denver hardcore and like post hardcore though You can like show up and just be like and just see this guy play guitar And it's like that's one of the best guitar players I've ever heard Yeah Yeah They're definitely that kind of band Usually they fit with you guys I feel like it makes a lot of sense that you guys played on a bill with them Because I was listening to it and I was like I totally especially the newer stuff I'm like I totally get where this kind of like goes to and I mean the same snare too apparently That drummer is also just insane It's the Joey Robinson signature Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, get these fat snares out of here we want we want the facts I'm fighting for my life at my church right now It's not it's not it's not I'm so sick of the snares that sound like floor toms Yeah Good at it I also before we move on I just got a fan submitted question in real time It's like my good buddy Parker wants wants to know what your what your favorite beer is everybody Oh shit So we live in Denver yeah all the good shit is made here you know I'm gonna I'm gonna put official Official statement there definitely a good good brewing city for sure I like this bridge the gap a little Denver Michigan Solidarity That's true you ever you ever try avery brewing co-white rascal no because they started as a Colorado thing But there's a merger a couple years ago with a company in Grand Rapids So I know you can probably find them at like a liquor store near you I'm who did they merge with I don't know now I'm now I'm really interested That's Google it but imagine a blue moon but just like a little better and there's like some coriander in there Okay, I literally had one earlier in like two Chicago dogs across the street and I was happy as a clam Oh they oh with founders of course so you know who that is Of course yeah yeah yeah founders is huge around it they're like probably number two brewery after bells from Michigan I would say yeah probably yeah absolutely one of the like largest national craft brewers here in Denver to you Yeah, that's awesome. I'll definitely definitely for that. Let's go on. I don't drink a lot of beer so please take the question This is maybe recent. Yeah, definitely. No, this is probably a recency bias but and partially nostalgia weirdly But there's a beer called democracy manifest by comrade brewing company which is Colorado I think I've had that before. It's all good. They converted the schoolhouse brewing company. Yeah They converted this schoolhouse in like Denver downtown like near Capitol into sort of like a I don't know you can't get good food and beer and stuff It's kind of like a tap house thing. It's really cool. Oh cool. This is cool. But I had it there and it blew my mind But also it's referencing a viral video that was recorded apparently in 1991 of this dude being arrested So if you look up democracy manifest Oh that's a comment like the guy on the logo is the man in the bottle video which is definitely worth a watch I'm pretty sure I heard he passed away recently. Did he? Yeah, this is democracy manifest. Yeah, exactly. I feel like Chinese meal pour one out in his honor But that's really good. It was like the first IPA type like I think it's a pale ale but it was like the first thing that was made in Denver That was like kind of pale ale IPA adjacent that kind of like I was like whoa what is this? Yeah, yeah, I like that. I need to check out this this comrade brewing company. This is cool. The counterbalance to I don't want to say their name but down the street for me Nick, there's a brewery named after a certain Italian fascist movement I don't know if they know what I think they do Like like Italy. Italian known. So interesting Depperman. Depperman. Let's super Denver, right? Oh for you. So moving on Nick, you're your first pick. Let's get an introduction going about it. So this is over slept which is To me, like a legendary Denver band. Okay, when I was in college, I saw this band and there I went to the show. They were described to me as power pop. I don't agree. They're like okay. They're like post-hard court with really With like pop song sensibilities. Okay, and they've been sitting on this record for like several years. I know the drummer Corbin who is an amazing producer in his, his wife. I'm Malena, abuse records in Denver and have a beautiful studio like in their backyard. Yeah, Corbin Roberts drums in this band. And yeah, when I saw them, I was like, I got to play, I got to find a way to play rock music in Denver. So this is probably, I don't know, 2017 to the scene basically. Totally. Yeah, so this is like a foundational band for me and they just put out a record that they've been sitting on for several years and they like didn't know how to release it. I don't know, just like band members are in different states of life kind of thing. But they finally put it out just like a few months ago and this is one of the tunes from it. They, I thought it'd be appropriate for Buddy Bench because they're a little like fancy with it. Like, everything that they do is just like, has some ornamentation. It's just like, okay, there's a little bit of math but like very strong pop sensibility and then like a little bit of the heavyness of the post hardcore. So, I'm stoked. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ I can't remember, and I didn't remember the night ♪ ♪ But it says what's about me and all about you ♪ ♪ And you and yourself kept in the same room ♪ ♪ I don't know how you see anything clear ♪ ♪ So back behind the walls ♪ ♪ Assumption gets the best of us ♪ ♪ To live it by winds of cause or death ♪ ♪ I just seem to stay ♪ ♪ Resonating out of faith ♪ ♪ The darling is all that fix yours for this now ♪ ♪ Simply a face makes me full of my bra ♪ ♪ I can't remember when you did more than I know of ♪ ♪ But it says what's about me and what's about you ♪ ♪ And me and myself kept in the same room ♪ ♪ I don't know how you see anything clear ♪ ♪ But behind all of faith makes me full of my bra ♪ ♪ I just seem to stay ♪ ♪ Resonating out of faith ♪ ♪ The darling is all that fix yours for this now ♪ ♪ Simply a face makes me full of my bra ♪ ♪ I can't remember when you did more than I know of ♪ ♪ But it says what's about me and what's about you ♪ ♪ And me and myself kept in the same room ♪ ♪ And me and myself kept in the same room ♪ ♪ Simply a face makes me full of my bra ♪ ♪ I can't remember when you did more than I know of ♪ ♪ But behind all of faith makes me full of my bra ♪ ♪ I just seem to stay ♪ ♪ Resonating out of faith ♪ ♪ The darling is all that fix yours for this now ♪ ♪ Simply a face makes me full of my bra ♪ ♪ I just seem to stay ♪ ♪ Resonating out of faith ♪ ♪ The darling is all that fix yours for this now ♪ (dramatic music) - I always find it hilarious when we have that where we're just like, let's wait for the feedback. It's gonna keep going for a little bit. (laughing) - Got to let it rhyme. - Yeah, exactly. - That last base thing was so necessary too. So good. - It really is. - It's the bow. - There's a base throughout the entire thing is incredible. - Yeah, that was absolutely great. - The groove of the whole song and in those verses too, especially, it's a lot of that try not to head bang impossible. - Exactly. - Yeah. (laughing) - Hold on. - They get a little fancy with it. They get a little fancy with it. - They do it awesome. - Yeah. - Is this the Corbin that I am thinking of, is he a solo thing as well? - Not that I know of actually. He plays in a band called Juno Rosa, which is almost like a neo-soul, kind of like Indie Pop project. - That's probably not both playing that. - Well, I know it was a bass player. - Yeah, both filthy. - The bass player is a project too. - Not this project, but Juno Rosa, which is worthwhile too. But yeah, I think overslept, if I remember right, it started out as a singer-songwriter vehicle and then kind of like open tunings, somewhat intricate acoustic guitar or singer-songwriter type of stuff. And it kind of evolved into this sort of thing, which is like, I don't know, like it has some proggy elements. And yeah, I just think they're really unique too. They have two lead singers, which I think is really cool. They have like somewhat similar voices. - Very post-hard core of them. - Yes, totally. But a lot of their songs have like, singer-screemer, dynamic. - That was what I was expecting going into the bridge of this. Like the bridge ended up kind of being another hook, which was cool too. But I was really expecting that bridge to just be like, heavy as fuck. - Totally. - And then Juno there? - But yeah, I don't know, they. - I think it's cool to play with form in that way though. We're like, you know, there are definitely formulas to like, kind of this post-hard core sound or like other different types of sounds, where that would make a lot of sense. And so I think it's cool that they, like, they tee it up almost like it's gonna be one thing. And then just don't do it. - There's a lot of that going on on this specific record, this newest one they put out, which may or may not be their last one. I don't know. But yeah, it's funny. They have that thing where they're like kind of like, a legendary local band, where like to a person like me, it's like this band is like a very big deal for me. But they've like been putting out music for a long time. And so there is a lot of stuff in this record. This kind of like set up the expectation. Like what would we normally do? Just like totally subvert it. Which like that big bass hit, like that final one chord hit at the end. It was like one of those where it's like good. It's like, oh, I was expecting you to do that. But that's, that's rad. (laughing) So there's a lot of that sort of thing. - I always love the band that is in a scene where it feels like if you exist within that scene, that they're like legendary status. But anybody like 50 miles away would never have heard of them properly. - That's the total. - It's always so interesting to see that with any scene, really, where you just got like those handful of bands that like everybody knows, they pack out a room, no matter where they play. I feel like those are the types of bands that you watch and you go, there's gonna be a documentary made about them one day. - Right, right. - You didn't know that I made it. - Yeah. - If there's any adjustments. - Yeah. - What's that line? And Wimsey dirged the local bands on my t-shirts. Will we thought of those pros? - Oh, yeah. - I don't want that. - I thought about picking the void catalogs on, yeah. - Oh man. - I am so sad that they're not putting out any more music. At least we always have that one project. - Okay. - And that one project is really good. - It is. - Yes, it's a great thing I've ever written. (laughing) - I could spend just an hour just gushing about that project. - I know. - Totally. There's a lot of love for Wood Cavaliere. - Absolutely. - Long live Swampy now. - Yep. - True. - So my next song is by a band, we were talking about the UP earlier, 'cause you said that that was the only part of Michigan that you had ever been to, Nick. - That's right. - This next group is a brand new band out of Marquette, Michigan called Null Numa. And they're like a noise rock band. They put out their first EP, I think last, not this past Friday, but the Friday before. And it was produced by, you guys are probably familiar. It was produced by Mike Maple of Liquid Mike. - Liquid Mike. - Who's from around there. So he produced it and I believe may have played guitar on one of the songs as well. - Yeah. - Cool. - We actually went to college together for a little while. - You and Liquid Mike? - Yeah. - We were in the same degree for a little while. So like his first, band that people kind of knew about we should be laughing. He produced their first EP as a college project in a class that we were taking. And I remember him like presenting it in class and being like, oh man, this dude has such a knack for songwriting. So I followed all of that band 'cause they used to just like play around campus and like a couple of like the local house venues and like that kind of stuff. Everybody graduated kind of went their own separate ways and then a few years ago, I heard about Liquid Mike like just before the Paul Bunyan Slingshot album came out. I was like, oh shit. And I was like, oh yeah, he picked up right, he picked up right where he left off as far as you know, songwriting and production and all of that. But yeah, so he produced this album. I don't know how much else he had to do with it and I don't really know a whole lot about the band in general 'cause they don't have like a huge online presence or anything like that. - Yeah. - But anyway, this is the second single of the EP called Double Edge Blessing. (upbeat rock music) - They chose. (upbeat rock music) - Line it! (upbeat rock music) - Open! (upbeat rock music) - Double Edge Blessing will hunt right. (upbeat rock music) - Double Edge Blessing will hunt you down. - Double Edge Blessing will hunt you down. (upbeat rock music) - Love it! (upbeat rock music) - It's coming down! - It's coming down! - It's coming down! (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) - That's so good! - And then that transitions into the next track. - I just noticed that every song is like less than two minutes, mostly. - Oh yeah, this entire project is so short, but it's incredible. I was like way more post-punk-y than I was expecting. - Especially like in the bass parts, I feel like. It's like that groove. They kind of reminds me of like Viagra Boys and kind of like. - Right. - Oh, what's the band that did the shape of punk to come? - Refused. - '90s. Yeah, the refused. Kind of reminds me of that a little bit too. - Yeah, totally. - Yeah, it just seems that first blast of noise hit. I'm like, this is a fucking treat. It's incredible. (laughing) - She did that. - Yeah. - I love that shit so much. - Amazing. That's so sick. - The Marquette scene is so interesting 'cause they're like so disconnected from the rest of the state. You know, the closes like other places that they could play really are like MidMichigan, which is gonna be like a five plus hour drive or like Green Bay, which is gonna be close to a five hour drive as well. So they're kind of like in their own little island of stuff going on, but there's a lot of really cool bands from around there, partially I think because it's one of the two big college towns in the Upper Peninsula, but there's a few bands that have like stuck around there for a while, you know, guys who are from around that area. And they've got a cool little scene out there. - My main association with Marquette is Joe Perry. I talked to you. - Yeah. - Which I'm a big fan of, but that was so sick. - Yeah. - I'm a member of the swim into the Sound Discord and I'm like, those people will just go bananas for the scene. - Oh, totally. - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm gonna share that for sure. - Yeah, like I said, unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot more about this group. Like they haven't posted a whole lot online. Everything that they've posted on Instagram has pretty much been a picture with like we're playing a show. We're releasing an album, you know, just like very basic stuff. So I would love to know more, but I just can't find anything. So until I talk to somebody who knows more about it, whether I get them on the podcast or something like that, who knows, but. - Yeah, they're not super Googleable. - That's for sure. - No. - Yeah. There's definitely a few bands that I know that have terrible search engine optimization, being one of them. Although they are turning off now. So you can type in equipment band and it pops up. But there's another local band from around here that are called Times New Roman. - Oh, okay. - People have played. - Also played the Fresh Fest five year anniversary show. But especially their first EP, they decided to be cheeky with it and call the EP 12 Point. - Of course. - It's just impossible to fucking find. I love these guys to death. I can't find your shit when I try and Google it. - That's amazing. - I didn't get a chance to listen to them, but when I was looking for a song for this, they came up and someone's like, what will also listen to? - Times New Roman? - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah, 'cause I saw that name and I went, "Huh, that's funny." I remember that. - I wanna know who that is now. That's so interesting. - I'll have to look later. I'll let you know afterwards. - Hell yeah. - It's also a song called Break Shit, which is, let me just look what this is all about. - Right. - Just one of those days. - Love those guys to death. - Parables are changing onto amazing. - I have to respect it. - Yeah, honestly, there is a little bit of an art form to it. - True looks. - Become un-googleable. It's like become un-googleable. - Exactly. - All right, so Chrissy, what is your next pick here? - My next pick was another, you know, Denver local, our good friend Jake G. Amanda Smith, the legend. He just puts out some really fun, there's some really smart stuff going on, but he's definitely trying to be as poppy as possible. - Yeah. - And it's just incredibly unique, kind of just synthesizing little flavors from everywhere. And it's like, I wish this existed when I was like 16. There is just like such a good like youthful energy to it. - It sounds like how it feels to be 16, I feel like. - Right. - Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, he's pretty young too. He's a few years younger than us. I think he's like 2019 or 20, a really cool guy. And yeah, I didn't even check out really that first record of his moron when it first dropped. - I had that CD in my car for a little while. - It's nice. - It's cool. Yeah, it's so good. I've checked it out finally. - Yeah. - But besides like a couple tracks and then just being like a genuine like person, I know in the real life world. - Yeah. - This is like my first front to back Jake G record I ever checked out. And I was just like in love with everything I was hearing from front to back. It's just such a fun record. - It is. - So yeah, title track of his new album Seed. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ I'll ain't got me to cold sweat ♪ ♪ I'm from a dream I'll never come drink ♪ ♪ And I'm competing ♪ ♪ Day spent with my regrets ♪ ♪ After vetically just seeing it ♪ ♪ Just seeing it now all the being careless ♪ ♪ I'm over being cautious ♪ ♪ I'll be right everywhere ♪ ♪ 'Cause I'm sick of all the nonsense ♪ ♪ Sick of empty promises ♪ ♪ I'm sick of all your loving ♪ ♪ Sick of all your songs ♪ ♪ And you can't let go of nothing ♪ (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) ♪ You won't just stand there ♪ ♪ All I ask you is just a little compassion ♪ ♪ The time ♪ ♪ Don't set your expectations on ♪ ♪ For this every time ♪ ♪ All I ask you is just a little compassion ♪ Now I just want to listen to the rest of that project. Yeah, that's what I was saying. I was like, "I want to go listen to this." And it goes straight into this very, just like, more upbeat. Just fun, like, rock song, right after that, that just, like, I don't know. It's such a fun track. It goes in that weird, like, kind of, compositional journey, like, somewhere the fucking. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Another thing that I've noticed every time I listen to a Jake G song is I feel like he has such. a specific guitar tone. He's like one of those guys that, like, you hear, like, just a couple notes and you're like, "Yeah, this sounds like this person." And I don't know what it is. Yeah, like, listening to his stuff, I'm always like, "I don't know how he did this." That's, like, a progressive thing, which is such a cool experience that I don't get very often. Because I feel like usually I have an idea of how they did something, but it's just, like, this is just. It just kind of sounds like you're praying. You go, "This sounds like a martial with a tube screamer." Yeah. Or, you know, whatever. And it's like, you listen to that and you just go, "This sounds like Jake G." I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know what it is. It's, like, the most DI guitar tone possible. Totally. But, like, also, like, especially that big solo, like, after that weird little journey in the middle, it comes back, like, weird, phasie, Brian May, like, thing going on. Totally. So cheesy, Brian May. To me, it sounds like if you took, like, a amp-modeler type of sound, but then you took the cabinet response model off of it. It sounds like if you just played it through the, through the, like, model, like, amp with no cabinet. That's what it sounds like to me, and that's the only. It's definitely digital. It's, like, firmly into the digital world. Yeah. I was going to say, "Do you know what, Daw?" They work in. Oh, no. I think, Jake, from what I'm hearing, especially with, like, I don't know. It's got to be logic, right? Goldway. I was thinking that, but it's 'cause the cell count drum's welcoming up, like, a sleeper agent. I'm hoping that I'm wrong, but. Listen, we know a thing you're too much. Yeah, we know about the cell count. We know what the cell count is. I love the, it's, like, the midi trumpet at the beginning, and it's like. Yeah, it's, like, cartoonishly like. Like, just, like, a 7-tone, like, trill. It reminds me of, like, a legislative Zelda soundtrack or something like that. That's so good. And I never even noticed that part until this listen. I think it was listening to it in headphones, 'cause it's, like, barely low in the mix. And every other time I've listened to this, it's been on speakers. Think listening to it in the headphones was the first time I noticed it, actually. I know it's a deliberate choice, because. Oh, 100%. Later in the album, he has some trumpets that are midi. I thought they were real. Yeah. Like, he, like, went the extra mile away. He's, like, he needs to sound as fake as possible. Right. But that's the bad, too. How fucking bold is that? It's all sex. I love it. For 10 seconds in your album, and it hits you with a. I love that. I love that. I feel like it's just, like, gamer influences, like. Yeah, that's right. neaking their way into the music. For sure. And such a cool way. I love it. Victory as a gamer, for sure. Yeah. Oh, he's got it. Well, I mean, wasn't his first EP just called "I Like Minecraft" or something like that? There's a lot. There is that one track. There's a lot. I'm not totally caught up on the JG lore. I think it might not even exist anymore. But it's that track. It's, like, "I Like Minecraft." I love Minecraft. I like that. Yeah. That was the whole first album. I love Minecraft, and the album cover is just a sign in Minecraft that says "I Love Minecraft" about it. No, it's still an album. Yeah. It's from January. It's still on stream. I love Minecraft. Yeah. Yeah. I love Minecraft. Yeah. Yeah. He's amazing. What a guy. I love that dude. He just he just exists like every show too. If I'm like looking after people I know I'm like oh Jake's here. Like a true scene. I had dude. I was looking at a Settless dot com or whatever because I have a spreadsheet all the shows I've ever been to and I was like whoa like a bunch of a place for else like performances are not here like not full sets but like we played the show or whatever and Jake G is added many of them. I was like shoutout Jake. That's a sick and truly like a staple of our our little corner. That's totally all right. Joey what do we got up next here. Okay so this one's interesting because this is a bit of a fresh find for me currently. Oh sweet. So sometimes when I just let spot like if I play this runs out I'll just let Spotify do its own thing and play random stuff. For sure. And when I hear those songs I usually just throw them in the hell that is the saves file. So when I found out. Yeah. So when I found out I was doing this podcast I was like shit. I don't really listen to a lot of like new music. I listened to video game OSTs and comedy podcasts all day. Okay. So when I was scrolling through the likes file to find something I found this song and I like realized right away why it was in there. It's that very nostalgic like for us because we're a lot younger than you know a lot of the people in the scene but like that like what got me into the e-mail was that like mom jeans tiny moving parts type of sound and this kind of has that in 2016. Yeah yeah this kind of has that going in it with like you know there's like horns in it and simpler progressions that still like really fit the vibe of the song really well. But yeah it's by a band called Boxing Day I believe they're from Wisconsin and yeah it's a very cool song. All right here we go. You turn your shoulder oh how it kills to see friends get on there. When I close my eyes so far your side. Bring it out on the front porch there's second things you don't need to say but I listen to you anyway yeah I listen to you anyway I call my friend I think about how I walk in circles around my room and now you're a stranger who knows all my tricks and I'm caught by the phone line because it starts to smoke when I close my eyes so far your side bring it out on the front porch there's second things you don't need to say but I listen to you anyway yeah I listen to you anyway I know you still I think I always will when I turn to go don't you follow that was great yeah that was awesome we got a alive ad to like songs I saw that I was trying to get going about it this might be a wild poll but like when it first started it was always giving like Ricky Montgomery vibes see what I was thinking is before the first lick came in you could have convinced me it was a like contemporary Christian song Back going on yeah, but then like no shade like yeah that first like blues like comes in And I was instantly like transported like freshman year high school. Yeah much love. Yeah Like super like a whimper coated. Yes, right. Yeah, it's really funny because I wasn't into like emo around that time I was a lot more of like a metalhead type of So but it reminds me of like I was still getting like some of the like pop punk from that era to those kinds of Influences especially in the vocals like the the melodies really reminded me of that era And I don't know exactly how to place it. Yeah, it just makes sense in my mind, you know I think how the yeah, just like the syncopation of how the chords fall to feels from Like that's in the DNA, but it feels like more If it feels like a pop punk person who is like lived more life and More influences. Yeah, that's a good way to To state it I think that's beautiful like I thought I was just beautiful like I don't know it really spoke to me I really like the horns in it - yeah, yeah, we're like a great little counter melody bit Yeah, I think it's really interesting seeing the horns coming back into emo music in the last several years I feel like there was a little bit of a drought and then Kind of came back and now it's like Kerosene Heights had horns on one of their songs Place for owls. Obviously you guys had horns on a couple of songs You guys did the saxophones on a couple of songs Aren't we amphibians out there? Yeah, for giving Jeff was a was a turning point to bring it back Yeah, I think yeah, it's really cool watching like I feel like one group does it and people go Oh, that's really cool. And then everybody else is like wait next time we make a record We got to do that on one of our stuff. Yeah I got shot up cliff diver too like they've Clift diver the pioneers of like bringing that back I feel like yeah, it's in the DNA of that band a great right those guys are so fucking cool amazing man Yeah, side note, I don't I don't I unfortunately think they they called it quits a couple years ago But do you remember perspective of lovely handle? Yeah, I've heard the name, but I don't think I've ever listened to them Yeah, that's a big That's a very Okay. Yeah, very horn heavy Yeah, yeah, that'll be something I'll have for a line in case on which is crazy. Oh, yeah, I hell yeah Or lyric actually, yeah, I always love that when I've 10 months on were another great example of a band that just like names Themselves after a line from from another band song or someone that I always find that sounds like nine 12 Yeah, the home is where yeah, yeah, yeah Jimmy Mark you has his own solo product. It's like kind of I don't know I don't know how to describe that project like sort of Powerpop P more in the singer song rather than and then Taking meds is another band that he plays in. Oh, yeah Yeah, so that that universe goes pretty pretty deep if you want to dig into perspective There's a lot of gold there. I'm trying to think of who I saw taking meds with because I saw them on a tour at one point And it was like a random show, but I don't remember I feel like it was maybe like they were opening for like mud honey or something like Something real like off the wall That's really cool. So Nick, what is your next pick here? I mean, that's one is I think you pronounce it Mofi. This is a Okay, I think Fort Collins based artist. We just a place for I was just playing this festival in Fort Collins called Foco Mx They played it and they're more in like it's like In the singer songwriter, but like almost like slow core adjacent sometimes, but this song is really super power poppy But I love that they're great. So yeah Any more , I don't know what I do without you know Would you? (upbeat music) ♪ I love for you, I love for you ♪ ♪ I love for you, I love for you ♪ ♪ I love for you, I love for you ♪ - Such a fun song. - It just makes me feel so happy. - It makes me feel so happy. - I like to drive to Fort Collins too. - Yeah, exactly. - I think I was actually driving to Colorado Springs when I first heard it. It just came out. And that was a song that just made me last like multiple times where I was just like in a good way or it's just like, "Oh, that's so fun." And like not what I expected at all. Like a song making me last is one of my favorite things. Like, and actually happened. Like when, like in the process of doing the buddy bench EP, like some of those songs do that to me, which gives me a great joy. But yeah, this song, like the key change. I like the guitar song and that made me laugh. And then the key change. I was like, "What is this?" "What's this?" - Right. - So yeah, very clever, like not all that complicated, but just like so well orchestrated. - Every piece is exactly where it needs to be. - Totally. - Right. - I mean, even down to like just the little tambourine part. Like the super basic, like be on the drum kit, but it's like exactly the amount of like drive that it needs to like, you know, keep everything moving along without like getting in the way of anything. I love it. - Really? - Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's just like a perfect little piece of sugar. Feels like it could be a hit in like another life for something, I don't know, in the Spanish, like 3,000 to 4,000 monthly listeners or whatever. - So it'll be in this life because of this podcast. Do your job, buddy. - Hell yeah, yeah. - Look at that. - This is definitely something, I've got a couple of road trips coming up over the summer and I think that this is gonna be a main stay on the road trip playlist. - Great driving song. - Yeah. - I mean, yeah. - Another of the associated with driving for me. - Yeah. - Another live liked added to playlists. - It's true. - Yeah. (laughing) - I'm enjoying the live streaming aspect because that's a fun little game that I can do is like, I feel like I need like a little graphic of like a live react. (laughing) I feel like pop up on screen when I do it. I think that would be so funny. (laughing) - Yes. - I support that. - If anybody knows any animators and anybody who knows how to like program stuff into Twitch, hit me up. (laughing) I don't know anything about any of that. So. (laughing) - All right. So. - I bet you always do like a stream deck or something I think where it like mixes into the video signal or something. - Yeah. - I think probably I'm guessing cause this stream's natively from the website that we're on. I think that I would probably have to have something on the back end that's hooked up to like OBS or something like that. I would imagine. But I don't know. We'll find out. And that is honestly kind of my project for the year, on top of it. everything else is this is the first year that I'm live streaming the recordings and I want to do as much as I can to kind of elevate that experience as much as possible because I think it's just a really cool untapped market that I haven't been able to do anything with yet so yeah so our next song was was that one that Nick chose because that was the black song Nick yeah okay cool so you get to introduce two in a row here two in a row yeah so this next one is a moniker they go by silver pin this is I guess the solo project of Cory Kaufman from Gleemer so he is a Fort Collins based producer plays in a wonderful band called Gleemer which is one of my like life favorite bands but honestly just if you just look at Cory's credits is pretty incredible like the way he has shaped the sound of kind of like realistic guitar music maybe like what do you mean by that realistic guitar music it's like he tends to do a lot of like duke's adjacent type stuff okay but like I don't know just the drums and the way he handles drums and guitars and honestly the whole thing is just like it sounds like real instruments real people playing together like I don't know oh there's some in a room type of sound yeah as opposed to studio process I'm picking up what you're putting down yeah all right like that's just a way he puts things together that I think is like a generational production talent but this is a solo project which is like he posted about it and there hasn't been like really any promo behind it but it's like him kind of getting back to what he like the reasoning fell in love with making music so hell yeah yeah it's kind of in that like slow core universe but the whole record is a pretty wild ride this is just kind of a track that is really stuck to me but uh yeah so it's I don't know it's it's kind of like a seasoned veteran kind of um trying to get back to the beginning of things is maybe I definitely hear that in in this track so I love that yeah just part of my better eye could act out the ending the heart of my stereo you were not supporting mine yeah you mentioned the others before you locked in you throwing that weight around if I'm only here tonight block to a starting line I hope we can redirect all of that pain full in the camera I look to the edge of moments like a one feeling like a different life and life on a warm again left and weak heart days like a burden little but I can't run you tell that you heard a moment I'll never find you were not supporting mine yeah you mentioned the others before you locked in you throwing that weight around if I'm only here tonight block to a starting line I hope we can redirect all of that pain full in the camera I look to the edge of moments like a one feeling like a different life and life on a warm again left and weak heart I love those chords that he's playing when it gets to those really big like dissonant kind of chords they're so cool yeah so what a track yeah love I love how much that song subverted my expectations the entire time yeah I was about to say that too that was going to blow up my speakers and then it never did and I actually think it was really beautiful for that yeah yeah yeah there were so many points where I was just expecting to do that just didn't do that it's so cool yes I'm glad y'all picked up on that um because that feels intentional to me for sure I think yeah yeah you know this is a person who works on like he's probably probably has like a couple a few hundred credits under his name at this point you know it's like he knows his way around in a song and an album and it's like for sure I don't know there's sort of like a beginner's mind element to it where he's like it's like how do you not overthink what you're doing and just like right and also not just like do what what do you do when you're thinking about what people expect you to do you know it's like what do you do just when you're being yourself which I think is part of I feel like that's harder to channel as you as you get further on in your career too I think that it's really interesting when people do those solo projects and they make that a priority of like I'm just gonna do whatever feels intuitive to me and not think about what yeah you know the the standards of form dictate I do or whatever and I mean I also get that a little bit from the instrumentation too because I love the sound of the mixture of real drums and the little like kind of dinky sounding like the dramatic drums too yeah the little drum machine thing that's just like almost like a metronome throughout the entire thing like it's just like a snare that's just like right but it's like it's such a cool little rhythmic element that never feels intrusive but I always feel like it's like just doing just a little bit yeah that you don't necessarily notice it notice it when it's there but you would miss it if it were gone absolutely yeah yeah yeah there's not like there's a very interesting element yeah it's like it's a very like mechanical like addition yeah it's like really cool I think that a long with the very organic sound of like yeah the guitar and like you said that guitar tone to like the very subtle stereoness of it because it's like you get I can tell that they're panned and it's like two tracks but it doesn't sound like it's not hard panned tracks right because hard panned tracks have a very specific sound and these like there's just a subtle stereoness to it that you almost don't even pick up on except for in like small little sections yes and they're like extremely ampy guitar sounds yeah yeah yeah it feels like sitting in a room with a amp that's right yeah y'all ever check out a pick me lush I don't know that at all I'm not familiar no so I think it's a side project including a few like x-page 99 members oh wow but it's like really foaky like just like you just hear the room noise like dripping like like acoustic-y like like 2000s kind of era I think I think their first project was 2007 okay but yeah yeah like just that like foaky but like definitely has some like kind of like emo-y like hardcore background but they're like trying to strip it back and do some like really acoustic-y strip back foaky stuff mount hope this is gonna be that DNA uh I believe I think it's the first on streaming but yeah I think from 2007 yeah yeah because I was looking for that too like I definitely want to check that out later because that sounds really cool yeah but yeah I definitely give them same sort of feelings yeah - That's sick, I'm gonna check that out for sure. But yeah, check out the whole calling room record by Silverpin. - Totally. - It's a while right. Like it goes a lot of other places. - Like I said, when I'm at work this week, I'll probably be putting on all of these albums at some point, just have them. - Can you send me this playlist once we're done here? - It'll be on title, but I can send it to you. - That's perfect, perfect. I wanna listen to it. - Hell yeah, for sure. And I think that brings us to our final track, which was a Chrissie pick. - Nice, and it's a Cartier song. (laughing) - It's not the only way to discuss it. - Right, it's had to subject y'all to, I don't know, probably the most listenable song they've ever put out. (laughing) But I don't know. This record came out like a year ago at this point, like mid to maybe late, 2025, but it is in the album that has so much story behind it. And I kind of just wanted to showcase it a little bit. It's very near and dear to me, that's for sure. Cardiacs is a band, it's been around. I think since the late '70s is when they started playing together, they're ever evolving demo tape. That was kind of been compiled into their first album. It was like early '80s. - Okay. - Just weirdo, there's a little Scott, there's a little circusy shit, there's a little like operatic, prog, rock stuff, little punk, like just kind of like that UK punk stuff. Just very strange folks. This guy Tim Smith was pretty much like their main composer. And dude, it's just like an evil genius. Like just some of the probably the greatest composer I think I've ever in my world to ever exist. Like that's, he is legendary. But this last record, Tim actually lost his ability to speak in like 2008 on his way home from like my bloody Valentine concert. - That's crazy. - So this record, he had limited mobility still. And he was able to compose everything himself and then his bandmates from like all eras of Cardiacs. It's like kind of like an ever evolving cast of characters. Pretty much. They all kind of came together like finish this last album. And they were able to find some of Tim's vocals that he recorded back in like 2006. They got like three other vocalists that kind of take over for him as the vocalist on this record. - That's such a cool, insane story. - Right. And it's like I never thought that like a band as strange and sometimes just undurving to listen to as Cardiacs. One of their albums would ever make me cry. But hearing Tim's voice on this record last time for the first time made me genuinely like cry in my car. Just such a sweet story. And on that note, this is probably one of the most listenable almost kind of that like post post punk strokes thing happening. Most like listable songs may have ever done, but she's a very good like pops on that. - All right. ♪ I spoken true and wise I'm on the phone ♪ ♪ With that eye world ♪ ♪ Gipsy or mysterious ways I miss ♪ ♪ Missy taught my friend ♪ ♪ Plus I taught my self and looked the same for a day ♪ ♪ How is it you made it ♪ ♪ Did you talk to him long and way make his friend ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ Boxing up our hair with boxing balls ♪ ♪ Take long victory ♪ ♪ I am flame too of heroin but right now ♪ ♪ Hair with boxing balls ♪ ♪ Fame it is too much ♪ ♪ It's not the same old room ♪ ♪ Your battles closer to the ever too soon ♪ ♪ But the band way of yourself ♪ ♪ We move like a flame too much ♪ ♪ Go control ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ♪ ♪ We make our own place don't be shunners ♪ ♪ I know yes do I to you when you are ♪ ♪ Miss ♪ ♪ In the night sweet mess, sweet feel asleep ♪ ♪ With sleep, sweet your way, see the sun ♪ ♪ Now ♪ ♪ I just love country ♪ ♪ And as I will fly ♪ ♪ With that our heart ♪ ♪ Let my face say all for a day ♪ ♪ Always in you name it ♪ ♪ Because you have walked too in a long pain ♪ ♪ My name is Viva Viva ♪ ♪ Move your battles closer to the ever too soon ♪ ♪ But the family of yourself ♪ ♪ We move like a flame too much ♪ ♪ Hair with boxing balls ♪ ♪ Always in you name it ♪ ♪ Because you have walked too in a long pain ♪ ♪ My name is Viva Viva ♪ ♪ To the ever too soon ♪ ♪ Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ♪ - That was insane. - So good. - So good. - So good. (laughing) - I love that. - The thing that really stands out to me in this band is the constant deceit of expectation. - Yes. - It's like we're in the middle of a verse and it's in 4-4, actually it's 2-4 and these are triplet stabs now. - Right. - Hold this mix. Like. - It's shenanigans. - It's so many shenanigans. - It's shenanigans. - Yeah. - They commit to it to the point where you're just about fatigued and you're ready to throw your headphones out the window. And then they just let the song deteriorate from there. - And going into the chorus, it's so abrupt too. It's like you don't, you're like, all right, cool. I'm like kind of groovin' with it and then it's just like totally different out of nowhere. - Yeah, absolutely. - I think on top of the like strokes sort of like sound that you were talking about, it also gives me like a 70s Prague sound like yes or totally crimson or something like that too. Which is really cool. - Which is funny 'cause considering this band was active in like 70s in that area. - Yeah. - This is probably the most I have ever heard that in their music. - That's so interesting. - They started much like rowdy or great live albums. This band is incredible. If you want to like just hear them at their like rowdeist just screaming fun like shenanigans, they're like slapping each other on stage and stuff like cartoon characters. Dr. Live albums are incredible from like the 80s and the like the early 2000s even. They're just fucking killing it. - That's the funny thing. - They're a band that I've heard the name of like a ton but I've never really like specifically listened to them. It's like maybe I've heard like a song or two like on the radio potentially but like - I've got nothing beyond that. - And the TV hit back in the 80s and they have like one straightforward 80s song on one of their records and they like tricked the charts essentially. But yeah, it looks like they're most commercial success I ever bought a lot is from 1988. - They're one of those bands that never really got their flowers and a lot of those cool British bands from like the 90s radio head like Damon Alburn's like huge Cardiac's guy. I don't know, just like the term your band's favorite band is played out but I feel like it actually is kind of applicable to Cardiac's almost. - Yeah, it's so true though because like I've talked about that you know a bunch of times before too where a lot of the most influential bands were never the most successful. They were bands that were heard by the right people and then they went on to refine those ideas into something that then became more of like a phenomenon. - Yeah, I always find that very interesting to go back to all of those different things. - This is yeah, this is like a hobby horse of mine. Sometimes I see people discussing certain bands like like bands bands where it's like they weren't influential because people don't sound like them in obvious way. But I think a lot of those bands have been influential in like much more subtle ways. - Yeah. but it's like almost impossible to trace besides like someone's side with him in a specific interview or whatever. - Yeah, it's very interesting. And it's just such a cool sound that like I said, it goes a million different places out of nowhere seemingly. And I love weird shit like that. So super cool stuff. (laughs) - That chromatic bass line buddy Bench Lp1. - That chromatic bass line buddy Bench Lp1. - Yeah, yeah. - Um, so I think this is a good spot to wrap it up guys. Do you have anything that you want to say at one last time before we sign off for the episode? Any upcoming shows, anything else that you just want to mention one last time? - Oh, I mean, not particularly. Yeah, we don't really have anything to promote besides the new record that just came out. But I don't know, I hope y'all dig it. We definitely, I've never worked on anything harder than this in my entire life. - I've never gotten to record drums in a studio before this project and I had so much fun doing that. - Oh, hell yeah, it's really fun. - Yeah, that'll be my sign off note. Real drums, real amps, minimal comping, minimal gritting, real sad roll, savey. (laughing) - Real drums. - This has been the Fresh Fiance podcast. They show about discovering new music with good people. (upbeat rock music) - Fresh. (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) - I changed my score, my fame, my fame, my fame, my fame. (upbeat rock music) - What's it's me? - To bet you right, fucking me. (upbeat rock music) - I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) (upbeat rock music) [BLANK_AUDIO]