Fresh Finds Podcast Season 5 Episode 4 W/ Hemmingway Lane

fresh hello and welcome back to season five of the fresh finds podcast the show about discovering new music with good people i'm ryan in this episode i'm joined by elijah and logan of the band hemingway lane how are we doing guys doing pretty good how are you good to hear i'm doing all right we're doing good good to hear yeah it is a beautiful beautiful sunday here today uh do you guys want to kind of start out and just introduce yourselves a little bit say what you do in the band give a little bit of uh you know background history that sort of thing about hemingway lane yeah uh i'm elijah i sing and i play guitar in hemingway lane i i kind of i started the band we we started in 2000 it would have been like late 2019 early 2020 and then you know life shut us down so it was uh we had we spent like a year and a half just kind of sitting in my basement writing songs yeah and you guys actually put out your first your first music was in 2021 right and then your first like full project was actually an album yeah so uh yeah we that first the first kind of um it was like our first ep but it was like just two songs that we had had waiting for the album were hey and hemingway lane we recorded them live in our producers attic just kind of like standing across from each other i don't know i can't remember now but i don't think that we even click i'm pretty sure that we just played it and then just completely live off the floor yeah you just called it good because uh it was it was uh our old guitarist gunther and i uh we're not really good enough at our instruments yet to like play play to a click yeah and so it took a little bit of time i still can't really play to a click but yeah we released it there's like it's just the two of us just guitar two guitars and then vocals and then released that in in march and like we're kind of just rolling since then yeah do you want to share anything about that yeah i mean i think it's introduce yourself yeah uh i'm logan i play bass um i didn't join the band until a couple years later 22 i think okay yes i've been in here for like two three years gotcha yeah yeah they needed a uh they needed a basis real quick they're going on tour and they happen to be going through the town i was living in at the time kalamazoo okay and they just i gunther's like my childhood friend so he just called me and he was like hey could you learn these songs in like two or three days and then come on tour with us how's that i'm down it's funny how many times there are like just stories like that of bands who are like yeah we just needed somebody really quick for a tour and they were just a perfect fit so you know all of a sudden now they're just the new member of the band we actually had to fight to get logan to stay there's a few weeks there i text him like once a day being like what's it gonna take what's it gonna take for you to do this and then he'd be like i don't know and i'd be like i'll do it i promise and here we are we i won that battle finally yeah the distance was uh hard for like a year or two but they're the homies i couldn't pass it up and you guys are actually pretty spread out throughout like lower michigan and also a little bit of northern ohio right yeah so uh currently uh southern michigan rather yeah currently i i'm like in ann arbor for most of the week because i worked there logan is down in our hometown uh nate our drummer is down there and then uh juji our our current guitar player is our second like lead guitar is living in bowling green ohio yeah so you guys are real spread out yeah but that's the magic distance makes the heart grow fonder and all that right it truly does every time i see jewish i gotta give them a big hug there you go you know now how often do you guys get together for like practice and stuff like that being so spread out logan and i for the last like three weeks have been really good about getting together like once a week um however because of everybody schedule it is usually just logan and i and then we're just like we'll be like what about this and then we don't get much done with it but we have ideas and i think that that's the important thing for when we're all together again um prior to mid-february um we would practice once right before a show and then we'd be late to load and because of it and that was all of our that was all of our gathering wasn't it i i am not 100 sure but if i recall when you guys played the cinema stair show last year which that's how long we've been plotting and scheming this whole thing just for anybody who's listening but um didn't your drummer like just get off of work and like literally like come in like in his work clothes or something like that yeah so our our drummer is our drummer nate's like a phenomenal um engineer like recording engineer and so uh he had booked time before we booked that show or something of that i don't know if it was work or recording whatever it was uh the message and like what we had planned on was him not being there uh and so we actually had xyler from brown maple filling in for that because we were leaving for like a weekender yeah with brown maple um we had xyler filling in for that and i was sitting outside in between no problemo and cinema stairs or no no problemo and brown maple set i'm sitting outside i'm talking to freddie from the dartmoors uh and then the guitarist for cinema stair and i'm like it kind of stings man like i really wish that you guys like talking to the guitarist from cinema stair i'm like it really stinks i wish that you guys could get to meet nate he's a really cool guy like he just can't make it he's got some other obligations tonight and then freddie is sitting there he goes is that nate and i turn around and then here he is walking down you yeah he's like beetlejuice i i said his name one too many times and he appeared and then like didn't practice with us we were playing a brand new song that night like we got up there and killed it but we before that we played that set we had to go uh we had to go out to our van that we travel in and like run through the new song just like kind of air playing like in the parking lot behind the blind pig just kind of like going through like the form of it like all right so we do this this many times we do this this many times just so that you knew when like the transitions like remember that we shortened this yesterday you know like i i texted you about it you read that text that's kind of how it went that's so funny he got up there and that's like that was one of our best shows for the year that was that was a good one i had a lot of fun yeah i remember i think that that might have been either the first or second time that i saw you guys play i see i hope that i'm i'm glad that it was a good yeah it was a good first impression for sure and you said that he uh is an audio engineer as well you guys have pretty much done production in-house for the entirety of like the band existence like the entirety of the discography right yeah uh in-house or just like with like so yeah our our first that those first two songs were like done it was like us and then uh my buddy gabe but like it was we were all kind of figuring out what we were doing you know what i mean so like there was like there was like no professionalism there um our first album was done by the same guy like when even now like we were talking about on the way over here uh everybody just kind of stood circle with our amps in like different places uh facing away from each other and then recorded it almost completely live so that that album is pretty much a live album that we like went back and redid vocals and then leads and then we did let the flowers die and then we we just finished recording a new project that'll be coming out later this year with steven warsler uh at matt matt caricus's studio in toledo ohio so like that's like the most professional that we've gotten was like was that and even that it's like a thing that we've been doing for a long time so detached garage behind matt caricus's house well i mean that's kind of the whole thing of diy though is like almost nobody owns like a dedicated space and like a bunch of outboard gear and like what people think of is like a traditional studio most people are running it out of like a side room in their house or like their garage or you know whatever i mean hell i produced an album uh a couple years ago that the only thing that we did we brought like basically the same setup that we're using right now plus a couple things yeah we brought that to a church yeah for like five weeks and just like you know every every few like days or whatever we just record in this church because the guy like knew the pastor and they were okay with it yeah he's just like chipping away that's yeah exactly that's just kind of the ethos of the whole thing talent talent is everywhere opportunity is not exactly i read that that's actually an instagram that's an instagram comment that i saw about a young boy doing high jump and somewhere in the like africa they're like using very bare minimal uh materials yeah i saw that i was like that's really smart i'm gonna start saying that real life and i have it's been my goal it's my it's my new bit is just education incredible educational statements and honestly like the live off the floor recording like if you are not like the most comfortable playing to a click i think that that's the best way to go about it is like you practice as a band all the time or play as a band all the time you're probably like right enough that if you're playing live you can do that same thing in the studio at least for a a baseline and then you can work on that exactly work off of that that's exactly what we did for our album because i still i still can't now as previously stated but i couldn't when we were recording it play to a click uh but our drummer could and so uh he had in ears uh with a click and then i would like if i started the song it would be crazy out of time and then once the song was out of time we would have to do it again and that's that's that's the story of from my heart to yours um so yeah like you said you released an ep that was uh let the die that was almost a year ago now at this point it was last april they were coming up on a year yeah and so that was five tracks i believe and then you had what was going to be an ep to release like a year after that there was going to be like five more tracks but you guys are now shelving that to turn it into like a whole full second record right we yeah that's that's the discussion that we've been having that's the plan yeah uh the issue is writing songs oh um you're like we want to do a whole record oh trust me material hemingway lp2 will be amazing once we write it but yeah so that that is our goal um we're yeah originally uh originally the plan was because we recorded this ep that we're we are like just finished in was it august yeah in august of 2024 yeah um and so originally like uh i was driving to work and i was thinking about that the flowers die and i was like what can i do on tiktok to make this cool um okay and then i i saw like a twitter thread like earlier that day or maybe a few days before about how like people i don't know what band it was but they released like two eps i think it was origami angel released like two eps and then like a few more songs and it was just an album um like and they like they really liked that and then i was like i was thinking about that and i was thinking about let the flowers die and i had five songs kind of sitting on the back burner that like i didn't know what to do with and so the original idea was that we were going to release uh let the flowers die in april and then wait six months and then release um this new like the new stuff uh like on the on it would have been uh there's november six months after april like yeah yeah something like that uh in november and then it would have been kind of like a dichotomy where like these songs are a little bit darker and like they're a little bit more um like personal than let the flower let the they're just kind of like opposites of each other and like sonically i do kind of like that artistic vision though because i've seen some other people do that as well where it's kind of like this is one vibe this is another vibe that's kind of like you know the dichotomy of the two and so basically it's the same idea as like an a side and a b side of an album when you used to do like vinyl and things like that but this is just kind of like the modern updated version of it is to kind of do like two eps in a way yeah and so that was the plan it didn't work out that way and i think it's for the best because now we have like a little bit uh we've had a little bit more time uh kind of as a group to grow and like as playing with each other because juji is very new juji joined the band last year and uh-oh march uh-oh uh last year in march same with uh same with uh nate our drummer they both joined last year and so like we've had some time with each other like touring and we've had some time with each other and we've had some time with this past year just playing like shows around in michigan and up in lansing whatever um that we've we've kind of like okay maybe let's expand upon what this this new project that we have could be and uh so far it's going all right we have it's going okay we just need more people to show up to practice see that that was another thing that i was actually gonna ask about though is like adding so many people like in the over the course of like the last few years years and things like that like how much has the songwriting process changed because like for the most part it was largely just kind of you writing songs and then you would bring it to the band mostly right yeah so like is that becoming a more collaborative process are people are the rest of the band starting to chip in ideas more uh absolutely and i love it so much uh because that was like yeah absolutely um i think that it's really cool and like in a lot of different ways uh it's cool that like juji joined the band of juji is very like technically good at the guitar just technical on the guitar and so it's nice because uh when logan and i try to write stuff sometimes logan goes oh that's a flat seven add nine with a suspended whatever and i go we're getting into the music theory of it yeah i look at him like a new found like a newborn baby watching fireworks and i'm like does it sound good you know and then um uh second fret on the a string third fret yeah and so it's kind of nice because now like logan and juji are both very very good at that stuff and so they figure stuff out and i go just let me know what i'm supposed to do and i start thinking of the words oh gotcha but even like on top of that it is nice uh there was like a lot of weight that i was feeling being like oh dude i'm writing all the songs for this band it's nice to kind of like uh open that up to to logan and juji uh when we're like sitting in the basement working together uh to be like what are you guys feeling like what do you think about this line do you have any better ideas like kind of how does this make you feel yeah uh and it's been kind of nice do you what do you do you like the the collaborative even yeah i love it i want to hear your voice man no it's so nice um it is much different than it used to be um you were always like encouraging of us to like help uh in the band and writing and stuff and we just wouldn't we just kind of left it to you um but now uh i'm i'm finding a lot of joy in it um with juji especially just communication with them is so easy um and especially with like three or four people like writing something it's so much easier to bounce ideas off of people like me and elijah try to sit down just the other day and write something together and uh didn't go as smooth see that that's definitely one of the things that i've found is like if you try and write a song kind of like in isolation basically like it can if you hit a wall then you just hit a wall versus like if you're trying to write with a bunch of people then if you hit a wall somebody might have might hear something and be like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry all right let's pull on this idea a little bit and then you kind of like you know that's just makes the whole process a little bit more uh streamlined a little bit easier yes absolutely yeah i wholeheartedly agree and i like the that kind of vision of like pulling the string when in songwriting because um we we did we finished one song uh and uh we're like we were working on it and it was nice because i was i was hitting like we'd we'd get to a certain spot uh it is also nice juji like demos as we're working on it um but like we'll be working blah blah i'm like i don't even know where to go with this and then logan's like what about this and i'm like okay that's good that's what like that's way better than anything else that i had running through my head or like it's like lines that i've already used in other songs and i'm like we could it could be a call back you can't call back every every song you've ever written you gotta you can't do a call back all the time you know if it's if it's over the course of like a couple of projects and stuff like that you can be like oh yeah i'm i'm actually a genius i've been playing 3d chess this whole time yeah dude you guys don't know about the hemingway lane music lore yeah i mean we've been building it for four years now all right who are we 21 pilots expanded universe yeah yeah we're gonna have a movie in 10 years there's gonna be a hemingway lane movie i also notice what so all right here here's how i'll word this and kind of get into this uh subject what do you guys consider to be like your genre of music that you play do you like consider yourselves to be like a specific sub-genre or is it just kind of like i don't know man we write cool rock music yes okay the second one yeah i kind of don't know we get compared we get crazy comparisons all the time um that like don't make sense to me or bands that i don't know yeah because i like but i don't know we've gotten some cool comparisons we get compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared to like the backseat lovers a lot that's cool for me um one time we got compared like we're opening for some band touring through or whatever we're like we kind of lighten it up and it's we play a little bit differently see that that was kind of what i was getting at is i i see like you guys tend to at least i usually tend to see you guys on like emo and pop punk bills and like that kind of stuff but you guys also have like a tendency to pull on like a lot of folk influences i feel like yeah and like kind of country and like do some more like acoustic type of stuff like i mean on on let the flowers die uh wisconsin is a great example of that which is probably my favorite song off of that project it's just like so fun that uh that is the first song that we ever wrote together really yeah we were i think it shows i really like it we were on tour in wisconsin we were at the world's largest culver to culvers oh there you go in egerton wisconsin shout out i took a nap in their parking lot um but we were sitting there on a side note culvers always makes me just so sleepy it's like the heaviest fast food that you can get well yeah and we had like a we had a rough few days of driving before that and so yeah i like i like slept so poorly when we at the hotel and then we were driving and we're like let's pull into this culvers and i think i can't remember who it was out of the group they were trying to do some bit like making jokes i think it was juji okay uh and like i was just falling asleep as they were talking i was like just slowly just kind of nodding down and then i i perked back up for a second i was like logan i gotta go nap in the car and so we all sat in the car i took a nap and then we drove to our show in rockford um but yeah no that was that was the first song that we ever wrote together we were on tour uh it wasn't going great we were all kind of in not great uh spots mentally uh and so like that that sentiment of just being like i gotta get my ass back to michigan uh held very true in that moment and um i it kind of felt like when we started it was kind of like a joke we were like i i for me i was like i didn't maybe this won't be anything and then the best ideas started yeah and then we finished the song and i was like oh wait this is actually so good and so i'm i'm glad that it's out there it is it's one of my favorites that we have out is that kind of like acoustic through line because i feel like you kind of have like an acoustic ish song like that kind of on every project is that like a uh is that because of like your songwriting process you strike me as a guy who is like a sit down with an acoustic guitar and write a song type of dude um it could be i think that we all i think that i also so like all of our songs start on the acoustic guitar that is factual um uh i think that i like this it's probably like subconscious like thing where i'm like every single project has to have one acoustic song with no matter you know no matter what it was uh and so it's worked out that way it hasn't always been on purpose we have like uh we have from my heart to yours on the first album which like i had written a before and i wasn't really planning on putting on the album um and then i like we we named the album from my heart to yours and i was like i hold on and then so then we like went back and re-recorded it yeah but we went we went back and recorded it and then i like i added the kind of tagline of or in that song where it's like i can see the distance from my heart to yours um we have wisconsin on uh on let the flowers die which is like a very different vibe from the other acoustic song yeah and then we have uh october which is not gonna be out for a while i was gonna say that that's from the upcoming project whenever that happens to come out we we shall see maybe never we don't know you guys are planning on putting out a single from that at least relatively soon right uh next month well i don't know when this is coming out so if it's april or past april it's out this is gonna be like mid-march i'm hoping mid-march okay next month next month we got a song coming out hell yeah it is very good um yeah yeah do you um so i guess moving on from kind of songwriting unless you've got a specific thing that you that you wanted to mention on that another big thing that you guys have coming up is you guys are playing excellency this summer yes yeah i've been trying to get on that festival for a very long time i'm very excited to be playing it this year yeah this is the third one that i'm going to be going to uh i went to the last two i had never heard of it before then but it sounds like it had been going on for a while i just wasn't aware of it i think it has i'm relatively new to like the music scene i like a lot of the stuff that happens i didn't know logan did you know about excellency fest from like the tree figure days you did okay yeah okay i didn't gotcha i don't know like fochella pug fest all of those things i was like i don't know people like are you guys playing this i think i i think pug fest is relatively new i'm pretty sure pug fest this is the third one oh i see okay i think that last year was like the first time that it was more of like a oh what would you call it more of like a uh official thing i think that the first year it was kind of a not necessarily thrown together but a little bit more like casual type of thing i think that last year was kind of the first time that they really like made it like a bigger thing i see yeah so yeah i didn't know we played it we played it last year and we played it the year before that uh and it both times were very fun and it's always right around here so i'm always down for it i mean hell it's you know right in my backyard basically so yeah that's got to be cool finally getting to uh finally getting to play that after all these years uh yeah i'm i'm i'm pretty excited i think the the the bill is very stacked it'll be it'll be cool to see such a healthy mix of like our friends here in michigan and some that are farther away as well as like those bigger national acts like i think is it is it free throw that's i think free throws playing uh there's also ben quad yes playing cliff diver who i haven't seen before so i'm really stoked to see cliff diver finally yeah and then also yeah a bunch of like local kind of like uh you know southern michigan northern ohio type of bands yeah i'm like you guys pretty sure no problemo is playing i'm gonna fight dane during their set hop up on stage and just crowd kill him i might have to i might have to but yeah no it'll be it'll be very fun i'm i'm excited for it uh kind of don't know what i like i i haven't been and so i don't really know what to expect um it'll be kind of like i don't know i'll feel like a kid on christmas loading into the van of it oh this is so fun and so um but yeah no excellency it'll be cool do you are you how are you feeling logs i feel like you're i want you i want to hear your voice me i'm sorry i'm quiet you're okay you're okay we love you anyway okay do you guys have anything else like specifically coming up that you uh that you want to talk about anything any breaking news or is it pretty much uh kind of quiet for the next few months until you start to uh start to like play excellency and then start to release more and more of the album um we do have we have some stuff coming up but we can't like announce it yet we're doing we've got a show uh on april 4th celebrating our friends in my own desert island uh at culture clash in toledo um my own desert island if you don't know is jake pichace of the project yeah we're so we're playing their album release show at culture clash um what are you somebody's freaking out i know man it's detroit man they're fighting but um we've got that and then we have a we have a few other things that we just like we can't talk about yet but we are very very very excited for nice and so you know keep your eyes peeled for some shows and in ham ceramic in june and we'll be good okay we'll be good i'm sorry that has to be so cryptic i think that i already told you what it is uh you might have i i don't remember we can talk after we finish recording i'll let you know but yeah uh we do have some pretty cool things coming up we're very excited we took the first little bit of this year off to kind of gain our our our balance back um yeah after a long year last year and so i'm really excited to come back i'm excited for this new song that's coming out and we'll be having a great time yeah from april forward from april forward yeah all right cool so is there anything else that you guys specifically want to mention before we kind of move on to like the next part of the episode here you got anything no man let's get to it all right let's get to it so uh we're gonna go around i guess we'll start in the center and go so if we go from left to right then that would put you next because i i'm figuring it out mirrored um but we'll we'll go around uh we'll each play a few tunes talk about them some fresh finds if you will and then you guys uh collect actively together chose the last song that we're gonna listen to yes so my first tune is by a band that i just discovered this past friday because of their interview on the beers with bands podcast shout out to my homie michael is one of one of my favorite podcasts that i listen to if you like what i do but you want something that's uploaded on a more regular schedule he puts out an episode every single friday it's always incredible uh but this is a band called tarnish they're from sacramento california and sorry i didn't realize that you didn't have your mic anymore i was just i'm excited but it was actually interesting that you mentioned the like kind of uh sister eps concept because they actually did that last year i see into this year they released an ep in uh i believe it was june and then another ep this last is uh january 3rd of this year that they released it so about six months difference there as well and um they were specifically just saying that they kind of had like some different vibes and like some new members and things like that so they wanted to split up the two different eras into two different eps anyway this is from their newest ep uh view from my window and uh this song is called where we stand so i know where we stand just a friend of a friend throwing words in my side when i gave you a chance nonetheless in his lane could have known it events and i fucking hate you that's where you always been red flags raised in real time no goals to occupy your mind i'm sure you know better you turn as quick as the weather i know where you've been Throwing lies out again Throwing words at my side when I gave you a chance Now the lesson is late, could've known any best And I fucking hate the way you say you care Making judgments like you know me Just projecting that you're lonely And you tried so hard to fool me Watch you cut your friends off slowly Watch you cut them off Red flags raised in real time No goals to occupy your mind I'm sure you know better You turn as queen Cause the weather Making judgments like you know me Just projecting that you're lonely Watch you cut your friends off slowly And I fucking hate the way you say you care No goals to occupy your mind I'm sure you know better You turn to shit like the weather Yeah, so that was Where We Stand by Tarnish. I personally like, man, it's such a like kind of new age like classic pop punk sound if that makes sense. Yeah. I don't know. I kind of feel like that sound for pop punk is like post-Easycore almost. It's like you had like pop punk in the 2000s that kind of like led to the rise of like Easycore like, you know, A Day to Remember and things like that. And then you've kind of got the new style. You've got the new style of pop punk that's still like kind of influenced by metalcore, but doesn't really do like the breakdowns or the harsh vocals anymore. Yeah. Just kind of like the heavier like guitar sound with a more like pop punk type of structure. Yeah. Kind of like Belmont. Yeah. No, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Or another band that I was thinking about featuring that are a newer band that also kind of has that sound. They're called Statements. I follow them on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. We're TikTok friends. They're incredible. They're from Baltimore. I almost featured their new single, but I felt like it would have been too much of kind of like the same type of sound. I see. I wanted to make it a little bit more varied. But yeah, like just such a fun sound. Yeah. I loved and I loved their like we talked about it like during the break, I guess. Yeah. But it happens a lot in music. But when bands take everything out and then let everything kind of just crash back in, I think that's like a beautiful thing. And it kind of conveys a bit of a bit more emotion than like you can get just by like kind of, you know, whatever. Yeah. Working with dynamics. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I thought that was I liked that very, very much. And I've talked about this a million times. But like from a production standpoint, using that as a as an arrangement technique is really important with like this modern style of like really compressed kind of like hard. Not not hardcore, but like just like heavy music. Music in general, because when you're compressing the master like crazy, you don't have a ton of dynamics within the actual recording itself. So you kind of have to arrange the dynamics in by taking parts in and out and things like that. Yeah. Just that technique is such a good way to do it. I love it so much. It's a very good song. It reminds me of the song that we're releasing next month. And so it's very cool that like. Hell yeah. It was so far away. But, you know, similar minds. And you'll you'll get to hear that soon. Yes. Yes. Maybe we'll put a sneak peek at the end of the episode. Hey. Maybe we'll clear that. Let me talk to the management. All right. Management says we're good. Cool. You've really streamlined the process. Well, you know, as long as we're in person, we get stuff done real quick. There you go. All right. Am I up? Am I up next? Yeah. What do we have up next? I believe that my first song is Curly. Curly Q by Prince Daddy and the Hyena. Admittedly, I don't know much about this band. I like this song a lot. I like the other things that I've heard from them a lot. This is off of their self-titled album that came out in 2022. Yeah, it's really kind of funny because like it feels like in the scene that we're all kind of like a part of or I guess we're all kind of on the fringes of a little bit, but it is stylistically and whatever. But it's really funny to me because like they are such a like inspiration. Such an influence to kind of like this current generation of emo bands. But I just never really listened to them for that long. Like, I think the first time that I really like sat down and listened to them was after seeing them play Excellency last year. Yeah, because I had heard him and I was like, oh, yeah, I like this a lot. But, you know, it wasn't something that I had like really listened to in the past. There's a I have a I was not at Excellency last year, but our friend Jeff from Brown Maple was. Yes. And he's like a massive. Prince Daddy fan. And so he was like really excited for their set. And like he's standing the way he described it. He's like kind of standing towards the back of the pit or whatever, however it was set up. And they started playing this song. And this song is very melancholy. And I think that that's why I'm kind of drawn into it. I like to listen to it when I've had bad days at work. I'm like walking. I'm walking to the bus stop just thinking like, oh, at least it's done now. And this song is like playing in my ears. Honestly, I get that vibe. Yeah. You know, and so but he was standing in the back of the pit. They like they're like this song is called Curly Q. They start playing it. And like people were like singing along and stuff. And like this dude's like pushing to the back towards where Jeff was. And then as he walked past Jeff, he's like, I can't even fucking mosh to this shit. And Jeff's like, they just played like seven other songs that you could. You're mad they slowed it down for like four minutes. But no, he told me that. And then I had like just heard that song at that point. I was like, I don't know, man. I like I like a good low point in a set. You know, you kind of catch your breath for a moment. And so that's kind of what this song is to me personally. That actually. Reminds me. I thought it was so funny. A couple of years ago, I saw Pup Live and they played in Royal Oak at the Royal Oak Music Theater. Yeah. And I forget who the opening band was, the very first opening band. But they had like a really slow set and there were still people like slow motion moshing. Basically, I was like, this is such a goofy thing to do. Like, do you guys not just know how to like be in your feelings for like three minutes? That's out. Dude, there are there are times during like we every once in a while we're not really a moshing band, you know, and that's like that's that's OK. That's not really our vibe. Well, that's not my vibe. And that's kind of how we've like the songs have been written so far. But every once in a while for a minute there, there would be a set we play where like people are going crazy to a degree where it's like almost violent. And it's like other like other bands in the scene, like the final boss fights and the Brown Maples and all of those bands are like used to people. Like crowd surfing and mic grabbing and stuff. Yeah. And then like I'm watching I'm on stage playing. We're playing at the Blind Pig. And then I watched like Jeff from Brown Maple get dropped on his head from six feet in the air. And I'm like, is everybody OK? Yeah. No. Like, yeah. When we were just playing in January at the Blind Pig with like we it was like our our our best for our BFF show. The Brown Maple clipboards and final boss fight. We were playing our song Wisconsin. And like, were you like Ben and Anna and then Jeff? I watched. Jeff just disappear into this crowd of people. I'm like, I stopped from I was like, Jeff, are you good? And then like from the bottom of. It's just like hops up like, yeah, like he like hops up. He's like, I'm good. And then we're like, I got to get my ass back to Michigan. Honestly, it was the perfect time to stop it, which I thought was really funny. But yeah. Yeah. But no, I don't know. I think I do think I that's a it's a funny thing to see when like a band that like, you know, we wouldn't expect to see people getting like. Spin kicked, you know, and then people are getting spin kicked. And you're like, a dude's talking about crying right now. And you're like, you're trying to kill the person next to you. That's that's cool vibe. But yeah. All right. Cool. So this is this is Curly Q. I'm going to go to the next one. ♪ So you know you'll be within our glaze range ♪ ♪ And the sun will explode ♪ ♪ You'll be burning underneath ♪ ♪ And you'll find out when your whole family ♪ ♪ Counts as company ♪ ♪ The odds are likely you'll burn without me ♪ ♪ Someone will make you bleed ♪ ♪ You've never heard a scream so loud ♪ ♪ And from your own damn mouth ♪ ♪ The world's crumbled pretty quick ♪ ♪ You won't go down with it I'm sure ♪ ♪ Not with a heart like yours ♪ ♪ Ooh ooh ooh ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh ooh ooh ooh ♪ ♪ Life sprouts ♪ ♪ Like a blacker leaf ♪ ♪ Eyes glisten from the greens and blues ♪ ♪ Drift towards the royal hues ♪ ♪ They called you cruelly cute ♪ ♪ They said I looked like you ♪ ♪ Ooh ooh ooh ooh ♪ Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. That's the great thing about art and music, right? Yeah. You can kind of like put your own meaning on things. Yeah. And then there are some people that listen to Rage Against the Machine. They're like, these dudes are communists. Can you believe that? That's crazy. No way. Oh, my brother, what do you think the machine is? Oh, all right. We don't. I was going to. You haven't. No. Yeah. I love that song very much. We don't need to pull that. Well, we just have a funny, you know, and we've gone too far at this point. We played a benefit for sexual assault survivors in 2023. And it was a really cool night. It was put on by Detroit, whatever the art school is here in Detroit. I don't remember. CCS. Is that? Yeah. Yeah. The cast something or another. Yeah. I think I know the one that you're talking about. It was put on by them. Like, they did a phenomenal job. It was really fun. It was really cool. Everybody there was really nice. Like, we kind of got to hear some cool stuff throughout the night from some people that had gone through some things that, like, were, you know, horrible. And then there was us and two other bands. And one of the bands got up and, like, opened with Creep by Radiohead. And, like, that was funny just because it's like, you know, check the vibe. And then they closed with Killing in the Name of Fire Rage Against the Machine. And, like, we were standing, like, kind of off to the side of the stage just being like, these dudes are ballers. And so it's just like that. That's funny. That's nothing to do. They also did. Yeah. Yeah. That was an uncontrollable urge by Devo. That is wild. Yeah. It was an odd night. We had a few questions that we didn't ask. We walked away. It was one of those things where, like, you're in the grocery store with your mom when you're a kid and you see something. And then your mom's like, we'll talk about it in the car. And then we talked about it in the car. And we had – it was very fun. But, yeah, shout out to CCS. Shout out to that other band. I don't know what they're up to these days. I hope they're doing well. But, yeah. Yeah, I love Curly Q. Yeah. One of the things that I absolutely love about it is how the arrangement just keeps building. I love a song that's just a good slow build through the entire thing. And there's so many different, like, textural layers that are added so subtly that you almost don't even notice them. Like, there's just the little, like, bells or glockenspiel or something like that that's kind of, like, doing the same melody as the lead guitar. Like, the chorus. And then there was at one point – I didn't even notice when they came in. I just went, is there a string section now? This is sick. Yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of respect for artists that can do that because, like, I have such a one – like, I fall into, like, such a one-track mind where I go, well, this is what we're going to do. And then it's hard to sometimes see where you can build off of that. And that's kind of been the nice thing working now more collaboratively to be like, what do you guys – you know, what can we do here? And so it's been really cool. But I, like – That song just does it so perfectly and so, like, beautifully. And we were – Logan and I were talking a second ago. Like, it's really hard not to, like, try to rip that song off just because it's, like – it's a song that everybody can enjoy. And you can listen to it and go, this is phenomenal. And the writing is amazing. And the end where they go into that big guitar solo. And it's, like, a big kind of crash down at the end. And it's, like, this beautiful thing. And so shout out to Prince Daddy and their green hoodies. Iconic. Yeah. And talking about, like, the textural – The textural things, too. There's something really interesting about the lead-in to that guitar solo. Where it's, like, he just has this guitar with, like, a bunch of distortion and gain on it. But he's not playing it yet. And so you can just hear, like, his fingers on the strings. Yeah. And, like, there's something really interesting about the deliberate choice to leave that in. Yeah. As opposed to, like, as a producer, to leave that in. Yeah. As opposed to – As opposed to being, like, okay, we'll chop that out. And then we'll just fade it in right before the guitar solo. Yes. I really like that choice of specifically being, like, no, we're going to leave this texture in. You're going to feel kind of this as the start of the build-up into this guitar solo. There's just something really interesting about that. It builds tension. Exactly. And into the release of the solo. Yeah. It's, like, a little bit of mystery. Like, what is this thing that's going on? Yeah. I like it a lot. Shout out to Prince Daddy. Shout out. Logan, I think it's your turn. What year did you say that was released? 2022. 2022. So that is newer. Yes. Is there, like, kind of like a mid-2010s is kind of when they got their start, I think, right? I have no clue, but I can – we can look. Because I feel like they're, like, iconic album that everybody goes back to. I don't know the name of it, but the one with, like, the astronaut in, like, laying in the bed. Yeah. That's 2016, I think. It looks like the first thing – the first thing – The first thing that I'm seeing is 2014 with their album Adult Summers. 2014. Okay. So that's about the same era. That was kind of what I figured. Okay, cool. It's before my time, but – Before your time as an emo? Yeah. Before my time as a musician. There you go. Yeah. So. Were you – that's kind of an interesting question that I just had. Were you somebody who was into music before you became a musician, or did you kind of, like, learn – Learn to play the guitar and then kind of got into music later? No, I was not. Interesting. I thought for sure that – I was going to go to college and play sports uh really yeah oh yeah I was uh very good at track and field oh nice what was your what was your event uh so I did the four the 100 I didn't do the I did the four by one and then I did the 200 the 400 the four by two the four by four and then uh I did high jump for a little bit uh but I was like hurting my back and so I switched over to long jump okay and so yeah I thought that I was going to go to college for for track and I was like this is this is what I'm going to do and then I didn't go to college for track and then I dropped out of college and then I learned the guitar uh I learned the guitar well enough to be like I think that I could write a song now and then I started a band interesting that's yeah that's a very different uh very different trajectory than I I would have initially thought that's that's really cool yeah no I the music was like not on my radar at all I could play the ukulele because like in junior high I wanted to be 21 pilots or whatever yeah you know and so I like that I was I was I was 21 pilots still am I think it's cool that I can see little caesars I was there a few months ago to see them play great show uh I'll defend them until I die um they also just played the uh first intermission when uh the red wings played the blue jackets at uh uh ohio state university stadium yeah I yeah the reactions on twitter were not good people were not stoked on it I think they're a band that uh I think that if you get it you get it if you don't you don't I also think that they're a band that is hindered by a larger venue they they seem like the type of band that would be much better to see in like a you know 300 cap room where they can really like command the audience and like kind of you know yeah schmooze up with people and stuff like that so I I agree I think that a smaller room show for them would be very cool uh I know that they're not at that level anymore they're they're not gonna play a 300 cap room because it would sell out immediately but seeing them at little caesars though they do a phenomenal job of using the room to their advantage to be like yeah like you know everybody in this that's in this building right now is a part of this nice and so that is very cool uh to kind of uh when you were talking about like a hindrance to the band I kind of view 21 pilots the same that I view my hero academia whereas like if you can if you can just ignore the fandom and like like a few other things that happen within like the actual like like the story and or whatever they're doing their music and my hero the story uh if you can ignore that stuff it is good as someone who just started watching my hero academia at the beginning of this year and then kind of like looked at the subreddit and then went no I'm good yeah I I get what you're talking about yeah yeah yeah as long as you're not like hanging out with the people that have whatever the little baby girl if this is the little baby girl that can like reverse time as they're like lock screen on their phone you're like you're 25 maybe you shouldn't have a baby yeah you know if you can ignore them and if you can ignore ignore the most irritating people on twitter that you've ever met then you can enjoy some good music we might be making some enemies this episode I'm okay with that what are they gonna do so anyway sorry 21 pilots rant over keep going I think Logan is it is it yeah I believe you had you had the next pick what was uh what was the song that you wanted to play uh I chose a throwback okay so uh got some old punk stuff here um it's really showing of like where I came from in music sure um I got a lot of my taste in music from video games okay so this was on like the Tony Hawk soundtrack I loved those soundtracks I literally just downloaded the remake or the remaster of Tony Hawk Pro Skater one and two last night and was playing it that's so sick yeah it's interesting because I've always kind of felt like I was more like uh at least my influence has come a lot more from like punk and metal than emo despite that kind of being like the scene that I find myself in yeah I find like that's not my main genre do you kind of feel like that's kind of the the same way yeah I totally agree um before Hemingway I had an emo band uh tree figures that was running a while in Toledo um and then getting back into the scene um just surrounded by a lot of emo uh making emo and alt but like at heart it's always been like punk yeah no I I think that that's where a lot of the DIY ethos comes from anyway is like the old school punk days yeah I think artistically and politically yeah for sure for sure which these soundtracks are they get pretty political they do actually the Tony Hawk's one the original skate soundtrack is very political I I never played skate that that wasn't that wasn't my game I I played the Tony Hawk ones a lot but all right so what what song is this this is uh California Uber Alice by the Dead Kennedys I am Governor Cherry Brown I are a smile that never frowns soon I will be president got a power of suits away I will be fearer one day I will come and all of you the kids are meditating the kids are meditating California Uber Alice by the Dead Kennedys California Uber Alice by the Dead Kennedys California Uber Alice by the Dead Kennedys California Uber Alice by the Dead Kennedys California Uber Alice by the Dead Kennedys think is super cool yeah and you can hear like remnants of the sound in like modern hardcore like easy yeah no exactly the the just like really fast like i guess not quite like tremolo picking that's more like death metal type of stuff but like kind of that just like really fast like single note passages and stuff like that like you get a lot of that stuff in modern hardcore tempo changes yeah dude i love the tempo change in that song just the way that they bring it down like that and it's like i guess it's not really like full halftime but like it's kind of the same idea yeah but then they like gradually speed it up it's definitely not like to a click no no this was back in the day when you were just recording a record live off the floor which again you know kind of gives that legitimacy to what you were talking about of like recording a record live off the floor i think that there's still reasons to do that for energy and just convenience yeah yeah i think it is nice to be able to kind of feed off of the people around you to kind of give it that like that punch if it needs it to exactly and also just like being able to fluctuate the tempo just like a little bit yeah does also change the feeling so much than like playing straight to a click like if you're good you can play to a click and be like oh well i'm gonna play a little bit behind the click or a little bit ahead of the click and snap it snap back into it yeah but like most people especially kind of at our level who are who've only been playing their instruments for you know a few years or whatever a lot of them can't do that yeah and so it's a lot easier to just kind of do it free form live yeah no i i absolutely agree no i i do like that one a lot that was a that was a good pick how do you think that like that type of stuff has like influenced your choices within a band like hemingway lane that doesn't really do like the punk thing nearly as much uh not nearly as much but i think since i joined the band there has been sort of a progression towards like a punchier sound okay sure um i recorded uh let the flowers die so that versus like the first album i was on the first album there's a pretty big difference there i think i would agree with that for sure i definitely just listened to those two projects earlier this morning getting ready for this and i do notice that it it gets a little bit punchier a little bit more uh raucous my might be a good word and that wasn't just me because like uh josh our drummer at the time he's like a metal drummer he had some input on it but um oh nice yeah but i i like that direction i like moving people yeah i mean honestly i think that that tends to make like the best kind of music is people who are kind of have a background in a different genre trying their hand at different things and bringing in their own influences yeah that i think that that has often been like our best or like our strength i guess in our songwriting is that like the four of us whoever the four members of hemingway are at that time all come from very very different backgrounds uh and like what we're influenced by and what we listen to i like the first iteration of our band was like uh like uh me was i was very indie and i the backseat lovers and peach pit and um and brista maroney and all those people um like our guitar player gunther was like uh was like in school being classically trained on the guitar and like uh listened to a lot of like hip-hop and r&b music um our drummer was there and uh like our bass at the time was very into like pop punk and stuff and so a lot of the original i had to we we like tamed them down a little bit um uh but like um a lot of the original bass lines for for those songs on the first album were very like high energy and like in your face and we were like let's reel that back a little bit uh and then like uh the few members leave and we've got logan now and it's like uh we've got a little bit of this and a little bit of emo and and just uh like very uh like smart bass playing and like you listen to it and it's not like really distracting from the song it's there and it's kind of supporting everything else that's going on uh and we add julian who is just ridiculous at the guitar and like you you hear the things that they're like they're doing and you're like what like well how are you doing through three things with your fingers at once and also hitting your whammy bar you know what i mean um and like we had josh for a minute there who was like um like very inspired i think i think like like gospel like would you say gospel yeah like gospel music and it's like you can tell in this the the way the symbols are being played uh and then also just being able to kind of like form fit like that into what we had already had like going on at the time with what we were doing and then kind of being able to let it fly with let the flowers die and then josh stepped away to get married and like start a family and and stuff and we we bring nate in uh and nate's just like straight hardcore metal like ridiculous in your face uh is throwing blast beats into like into hemingway like our song hemingway lane absolutely insane yeah and so we've just been like a melting pot of like different influences and like and like my influences have changed because of the the people that have come and gone and the people that i've met in the scene and whatnot um it's just been it's been very cool to kind of see where we land with each like new batch of songs and i think that being open to that evolution is also very important too because there are some people who might like you know pick up an influence and they start writing a song in a new way and be like no this isn't what this band is yeah and i think that it's at least to me i as a fan of music for music's sake i really like when people start to like experiment with new things i think that sometimes people will be like this isn't what this band is and they kind of like inadvertently stagnate themselves and you guys are not doing that very clearly which is fantastic i appreciate that i saw i saw a post when when citizen released uh calling all the dogs matt caricus posted is that the album is that what it's called something like that yeah uh when uh matt caricus posted on his instagram and he's like to all the people mad at us and it's like we're gonna make what we want to make you can either deal with it and come see us on tour and you'll see some of the songs that we released in the past that you like yeah or you can shut up and we'll be cool and i think that that's just a that's kind of a like i don't know it's that it's not fun to get locked in a box and so exactly uh like i think that that's been a really cool thing for me personally with kind of the new way that we've been doing things for the last little bit here where it doesn't feel like we're like the not like a one trick pony kind of band where it's like well this is the this is our sound uh it's been cool that we have uh like logan and juji working very closely together on some of these new songs to make them like as interesting and kind of intricate as they can and so it's been cool i'm just along for the ride like they're the kind of the brain behind the operation you built the thing and now you're just letting it letting it fly yeah yeah all right so uh my next song is one that came out uh i don't have my notes in front of me right now but it came out about a month ago uh it's by a band called losers convention and they are from and they do some really really cool like indie rock funk kind of classic rock inspired type of stuff um they released i believe this was their first full length i'll i'll check on that during the break to be sure but i believe this was their first full length and uh the song i'm gonna play is called subsonica you called my name i called your fluff and you just couldn't take it you know that's too much to give i could just tell you could it's bad i'm so simply no there's just no way to live it's so much more than better ever for picture presents but then i heard you i admire this party it's past your curfew you said inviting don't be so angry i'll have another if you just name me i'll be your lover i called your name you called me dumb and i just grinned and took it something will never change kiss on the couch and speak up now before i start to move in on this emotion exchange that information is vital give me a telephone call i start to blush when you start to hush and then i started to fall but then i got you with both your hands up we're drinking perfumes just like a phantom say my name again just for me darling once twice a million times oh subsonica you make my heart stop for every kiss you know i want you i wanna do so much more than this i wanna ♪ Make out like we used to do ♪ I was 23 or maybe 22 And all the world seems simple Simple when I'm with you Kiss me once on my cheek Kiss me twice on my lips Like a glass of poison You know I can't ignore it Anymore than this I wanna twist and shout Like they used to do back in the 70s Or maybe 62 We can just pretend That's what you wanna do I heard about you from my finale I heard they hurt you when solving our deeds You say my name again like I remember One time, twice, twice a million times What's up, sucker? You make my, make my heart stop living to kiss You know I want you I know I want you so much more than this Just like an ember My mind, my mind explodes when I see you I know, I know I can't stop But I don't think I'll think better of you Southside Girl Southside Girl Southside Girl Southside Girl I just love that song so much. That was hot? Yeah. It's like we were talking during the break. It's like if the strokes were like, cool. You know? No, it's cool. I've never heard bad music from Utah. Shout out to the Utonians or whatever you guys call yourselves out there. You guys are so good at making music, it's ridiculous. And so I'm jealous. Maybe I'll move out there. I'm a lot of homies. There's so many different bands out there. It's a neat and very eclectic scene. Everybody in Utah bands just has a very cool vibe. They just got done with a hike where the weather was perfect and they saw birds singing to each other. You know what I mean? They got a pocket full of granola just ready to take over the world with their tunes. Straight gorp core. Yeah. Everybody owns 17 flannels out there. I enjoy it. It's cool. I own 17 flannels. Do you? Not exactly. That wasn't a dig. Probably close. So an amendment from what I said when I introduced the song. This is actually their second album. It is interesting because their first album is kind of like shorter. I think it's like 25-ish minutes. Yeah. It's called True Bliss is Chaotic. And I actually featured that title track off of that on a previous, previous episode a couple of years ago. It's one of those things where it's short enough that like my brain keeps telling me that it's an EP even though it's a full length. Yeah. If you ever get that. But like the thing that I think is really cool is that they are just, they don't shy away from any ideas. It feels like they just like have all of these different influences and they're like, we'll throw them all together and just make like the most like maximalist, catchy pop music that you can fathom. You know? Yeah. I enjoy that. Like you say that their, their first album was called True Bliss is Chaotic. Yes. I think that that's fitting for their sound. Oh yeah. Just for, I mean, I've only heard one song, but like I think it's cool. They're kind of just throwing paint at the wall and whatever sticks, sticks. And if it sounds good, they're going, Ted's that's, that's, that's nice. We're going to use that. Exactly. And so, I mean, hell, each section of this song sounds different, but it's still cohesive in a really fun way. Yeah. I love that. The dark, that like dark section that they kind of kept returning to. Yeah. So interesting. When it first started, I was like, okay, here's some seventh chords being like, you know, jauntily strummed along. I've kind of heard this before, but when they switched it, I was like, oh my God. Yeah. I also, in that intro, I absolutely love the like kind of counter melody baseline that comes into. I try, I try to do a lot of that with Hemingway. I like, I studied music, like a little bit in college. So we learned like a part writing and stuff. So I like counter melodies and all that. No. And I think that like, I was going to say this earlier when we were kind of talking about like, I think we were talking about your bass playing within the band, but there's kind of like a difference between just overplaying and playing something that's really cool and fits the vibe of the song. And I think that in both of these cases, that's exactly what it is. It's just like you play something that's just cool enough. It like, kind of grabs the spotlight for like a second when it does its cool thing and then just fades right back into the background where it needs to be. Like you go back to doing your job. Exactly. You get your moment and then you just go back to doing what you were doing. And I think that that's super cool. Every moment is Logan's moment. Logan is the star of the show. Sorry. That was not on topic. Logan's no, a signed off in the comments. Let me know. Just Logan stealing show right now. But yeah, so that came out late January, January 31st, which is why I thought that it might be early February. I couldn't remember. I knew it had been about a month that it had been out. And just that entire project is super fun. There's a lot of like kind of throwback type of sounds to it. It's not all that hyper maximalist type stuff, but it has a very like cohesive vibe that I really like. I also think that the, the lyrics, there's some like really interesting ones. Like, uh, well, what was it? Uh, dammit, I can't remember now. And I don't have my notes. I didn't catch any of the lyrics. I'm sorry. No, there was, there was something about drinking perfume. Like it's a Fanta or something like that. And I was like, well, I never caught that before this listen, but I thought that it was really amusing. I'm like, I don't know what that means, but sure. Cool. It's a good day. No, some words don't need to make sense. They just need to sound good. Sound cool. I think sometimes you can just say things and let it be what it is. Exactly. Sometimes you can just go, Hey, abstraction. Yeah. Lucy Lucy's in the sky with diamonds. Yeah. That's another band that they did remind. They like some of their stuff did remind me of the Beatles, kind of just how they build and like layering the pianos with some of like the, the broader sense and stuff. They, it was very, it was a very cool vibe. I like that song. I'm going to check them out later. I feel like I'm like both of the bands that you've played for us, which has been very good. That means that I'm doing my job right. I know. Who, who thought the person who thought that she would run in the fresh finds podcast is a good sense of music. You know, I've joked a couple of times. I have an objectively good sense of objectively good taste in music. If you ever don't like something that I featured, that just means that you don't have a good taste. It just means you need to grow up. It's time to, it's time to put your big boy pants on. There's definitely some stuff that I, I can see as being good music that I just don't vibe with, but you know, I, I try and try and give a good eclectic mix of different styles. So what do we have up next? Is it my turn? It is my turn. I believe that my next song is a song by Bristan Maroney. The song that got me into writing the kind of music that we do. I was, I was, this is actually the second time that Bristan Maroney has been featured on an episode of the podcast. He's the goat. And it was forever ago. So too, but I, I remember really liking the stuff that I had heard at the time. Yeah. Um, this song is called freaking out on the interstate. Uh, it was, it was a tick tock find. I found, uh, I like a scroll and I don't, I don't remember the exact video or, or kind of what it was. I know where I was. I was driving or I was, I was, no, maybe I don't know where I was. I can tell you it was the spring of 2020. Do you know where your children are? No. Um, I can tell you, uh, it was spring of 2020 because then that song like took over, the song took over my life for like probably a month and a half. It was the only song that I listened to. Um, but yeah, uh, it was released on his 2018 EP called, uh, carnival. Uh, it's the closing track. It's like blew up on tick tock. And I, I think, I think that, uh, I don't know his history or, uh, before, uh, this song. Like, I don't know. I kind of don't know what was going on. I've, I've seen a few things, a few interviews where Briston has been like, Oh, we, we one time did, uh, a tour, uh, all through the South where like, every single day for, uh, like, I think it was like two months. They played somebody's like living room, which when I first heard that, I was like, that's crazy. That I can't believe. And now that we're like actually playing shows and I've kind of lived that a little bit. I'm like, that's maybe, okay. That's just, that's just a DIY tour. There is still something crazy about playing every day for like two months. Like not having a day off is kind of insane, but it's, it's cool. And some of the videos that you can find on YouTube of like Briston, uh, in the band playing from back in the day are very like, it's kind of cool to see some of the early versions of these songs. I definitely want to look that up. Are they from those like house shows and stuff? Oh yeah. Oh, that's sick. That's really cool. But yeah, blew up on Tik TOK and it's kind of been like, they've just been getting bigger and bigger ever since I've seen them play the loving touch. The what's the other place that St. Andrews and then that place in grand Rapids that I can't remember the name of. Did they play St. Andrews or did they play the shelter? Is the shelter in the shelters, the basement and St. Andrews is the big St. Andrews. I saw them in St. Andrews. Yeah. I've not been to a show at the shelter, but the song is called freaking out on the interstate. Rolling down the windows, baby. I can't hear a thing you say. I'm walking back to my favorite place. And I can feel them staring at me, baby. Do you think I'm doing something? And you got a lot on your mind. And your heart, it looks just like mine. There's no use in wasting your time anymore. I'm sorry. I haven't been myself. Something's got me down. What it is. I cannot tell. I won't be satisfied. With anything I've heard. Fear is just a part of love. And one thing I've found is love is what you deserve. Driving home and call my father on the telephone. I hope you know I missed you, man. Let's put it all behind us if we can. Never feeling like I'm all the way home. All the way home. And stones inside my raincoat pocket. I got a keyboard. Won't you hold it for me? You got a lot on your mind. Where there's no use in wasting your time anymore. I'm sorry. What it is. I cannot tell. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. is just a part of love. And one thing I found is love's what you deserve. His live shows are good, man. I highly suggest. Dude, that was a really fun song. There was so many different little parts that I was pulling from it. So cool. I'm pointing at the computer. That song changed my life. It's just one of those, I don't know. I feel like everybody has that one song that you hear for the first time and you go, oh. I get it now. Yeah, that kind of forms you for a while. And that was that song. That was the first song I ever learned. The entire thing, all the way through on the guitar. I probably couldn't play it now because I haven't played that song in a while. But for a minute there, any time I pick up a guitar, I don't know, maybe it's the same for you guys. You pick up a guitar, you have these chords that you go to. Oh, absolutely, yeah. That, that, that. Every single time I pick up a guitar, that's how I kind of got a feel for it. Yeah, you're kind of getting a feel for the instrument and also kind of seeing if it's actually in tune. You're like, you play that first chord and you're like, oh, yeah, that needs to be tuned up a little bit. No, yeah, that, yeah, that song is, ooh, ooh, it gets me. It, you know, I love that song a lot. I love Bristom Maroney, shout out. Do you fuck with my band? Can we play, can we open for you, please? Dude, that would actually be insane if this was the thing that made it so that you guys opened for Bristom Maroney. That would be so cool. If we ever open for Bristom Maroney, I'm going to cry and maybe pee my pants. That's kind of, that's where we're going to be at. Do you have any other thoughts on this? Well, go ahead. Like, just what we were talking about just a second ago, like, with the bass, just holding down, like, the groove the whole time, but then every, like, once or twice, just, like, popping in with the melody. Yeah. Like, everything about that in this song is just, like, very tastefully done. Yeah, no, there were a few different times. And again, I think that that's, like, a tribute to it is there's just, like, moments that you go, ooh, that bass lick was really cool. Or the little, like, I don't remember how it went, but the little, like, guitar run thing that they did, just, like, small little things like that, just little moments that you're like, yeah, that was cool, just makes you go, that. But they can only happen, like, once or something. Exactly, because if they keep happening, then they're not special anymore. Yeah, you really, absence makes the heart grow fonder, as we said earlier. It was also funny. I was listening to it, and I was like, man, he sounds really young. I wonder how old this dude is. And I'm like, oh, he's the same age as me. I feel like I'm getting to the age where I, like, look up how old people are, and I find out that they're the same age as me, and I either expected them to be way older or way younger. Yeah. It's weird. I cannot look up how old NFL players are anymore, man. I was watching professional sports, and it was so wild, because you're like, oh, yeah, all of my friends. All of my favorite athletes are, like, children compared to me now. Like, come on. I find out I'm the same age as Panay Sewell, and then I was standing in my kitchen like, oh, oh. I wonder what he's doing right now versus what I'm doing right now. I'm in my living room screaming at him playing professional football, and he's playing professional football. But yeah, no. I love that song, man. I love that song. He was 20 when that came out, so he was still, you know, relatively young in the grand scheme of things. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, he's still relatively young now. I still am, too, but it just does not feel like it anymore. Unc status. Yeah. Unc status. All right, okay. You were also bringing up the guitar melody. I think it was in the chorus. You said that it was, like, the same as the Curly Q melody? Yeah, it was very similar to Curly Q. Or at least very similar. Yeah, that's so funny. You're like, I have a tight man. Hey, look. Maybe I just like that one melody, and that's it, okay? Yeah, but then I started listening, and the vocal melody in general was, like, doing that movement. So, like, I don't know. It's really hard not to rip something off. There's only so many notes. Well, and that's exactly the thing. Like, I mean, there's the whole, like, philosophical debate of, like, you know, good artists, what was it? Great artists steal. A good artist borrow or something like that. Yeah. I forget exactly what it is. But, I mean, it is interesting how much an idea can change just depending on, like, the tiny details. Like, even if melodies have the same arc or whatever, it was still, like. Or, like, even who's singing it. Exactly. Just two people having, like, the, you know, different vocal timbres sounds so different. Logan and I had that kind of exact thing over the summer when we were recording. recording this new EP or maybe an album. album whatever it ends up yeah whatever that like uh there's a uh in the very last song there's like a kind of like a bridge section that logan wrote and like did like it's like some of my my favorite writing in any of our songs but like we were trying to we we like wrote the melody together and then logan went home and wrote the words and sent it to me and then by the time that uh i got i got the lyrics i had forgotten what the melody was then i was like i don't know if this fits and we were like talking on the phone at some point and then we're like talking on the phone and logan's like well if you just sang it right it would probably work better and i was like all right you're like it doesn't work if i sing it this way and i was like don't sing it that way i was like all right vibe checks 2 p.m on a tuesday man all right let's just stop doing it like that and it would be better but yeah you tried not being bad basically that was the talk that i got and i appreciate it because it's better the way that it is now um i love you but um i was just gonna say you can you can and almost every single hummingway song you can trace you can trace some part of it back to like another another band and and it's because i often when the writing the those old songs i i find something that i really really really like and then i go i i want to do this too i want to do something like this uh and it becomes different over time like uh uh kind of like the newest with let the flowers die our song is anybody else cared uh is like heavily influenced uh i love that song by the way thank you very much it's a summer bruce song and so like if like if you listen to it you go oh yeah but because like we jammed on it and like it just had so much time from the initial idea of like me hearing mike uh uh sing uh seems like i forgot seems like i forgot a lot like how hearing mike sing that for the first time and go that's phenomenal i love that and then kind of taking that just like that idea of like forget like oh it seems that i've forgotten that kind of taking that and going i feel like my body is falling apart and i'm afraid about it you know what i mean so ironically there's another another band that that song specifically the intro makes me think of i forget the name of the song exactly but every time i hear the intro to that song there's a second that i think it's a far seek song and it's not like oh you ripped it off or anything it's just like the vibe is like very similar and i'm like oh oh no this is actually the the other one yeah oh it's really really interesting i i love both of those songs it's like sometimes i expect a different melody to come in and it's the other one and i'm like oh yeah and then you you get me mike you're the lead singer of far seek it's a i know a part of it that's a great group there you go hey but no yeah so uh yeah thanks for listening to my songs hell yeah all right logan you're up yeah you you said that you were going to call an audible you weren't going to do the one that you were initially thinking yeah we don't got here we don't gotta listen though uh i we're gonna listen to your arms are my cocoon okay um their song let me get this title right uh in 2019 or in october of 2019 i called a suicide hotline that's oh that's that's definitely one of those like just very long is it punctuated too uh i don't think so okay i i was gonna say because i feel like that's how you really take that to the next level you've got the like really wordy song title you have to put like a comma or a period or something in it that's how you really like elevate that's the that's the that's i think emo music does it a lot but that's in my with my friends that's the brown maple special man that's that's true i think i think that the the the longest process for them is just i think that both of the songs on that split that they did with saint judas yeah both of them had punctuation in them homer sinking into the bushes dot jp t-shirt what's the one that they uh sailor goes to work at the dispensary parentheses results may shock you that's yeah they're it's creative but yeah no i'm i'm looking forward to this because uh this is a band that i've heard the name of a lot but have never actually listened to it i'm very excited for you to listen hell yeah so this is gonna be great yeah it's um along the same line as like uh some scrams okay sure yeah but it's like lo-fi like lo-fi okay i've heard stuff like it before but i've never heard exactly how they did it yeah it done so well gotcha yeah all right cool one two three four five six seven eight nine Let go It's all been too much I can't go Got it out of my chest I can't go I can't go I can't go I can't go I can't go I can't go I can't go which who knows maybe some people feel that way that's uh never been something that i've you know been deep enough into it's always been something that i've enjoyed from uh from the outside looking in anything else i got nothing cool so my next song it's actually really funny that i brought up far seek when we were talking about uh is anybody else scared because my next song is actually the new far seek song oh nice uh it came out last you're like i'm just hanging out man i'm having a conversation yeah um no but this is uh their song apparition which is the first and likely only single from their new ep that's going to be coming out in april nice okay um but yeah this came out in february and it was really kind of cool because they did a band camp listening party have you ever seen those before no so it's it's literally like a like live stream done through the band camp website that's hosted by the band and they will i don't know if you can like interject and like say things or if you just kind of like just host the music is streaming live early but anyway uh they they did that and so i actually uh i think it was the day that this single came out they also did a listening party for the ep early okay so i which was really cool just because i got to kind of hear all of it once before uh before the whole thing comes out nice but i do really like far seek as a band they're super cool they kind of merge uh emo music with like a lot more like uh folk and country influence they've got a lot of banjo and things like that and their music is really cool so this is their newest song which is called apparition you felt around my shoulders so i wish i you felt like a friend i wish i you felt like i had when i was younger we were kindred spirits i wish i could have you back wish i could have you back We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Hey, so have you checked out this emo band that has a banjo in it? And I was like, oh, shit, this is awesome. And then their album, Who Can Start the Fires, which came out last year, was probably, like, in my top five albums of the whole year. Oh, nice. Yeah. Well, we were talking about it. Just, like, they're so, like, distinctive. They're distinctive, and, like, they're very different from, like, an emo kind of genre. Yeah. I don't know where people place, like, Pie and Grub as a band, but they do remind me of Pie and Grub, and just, like, that kind of, like, rock, folk kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah. They're, like, clearly not afraid to, like, delve into that kind of folkier side of the genre, like the music. But, like, also, their sound is, like, more intimate, and it's close and a little bit more up in your face rather than the kind of airy, like, nature-y vibe that Pie and Grub has in all of their songs. A little bit more roomy sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's one of the things that I think is cool, like, as somebody who's also a fan of different types of, like, country and bluegrass and, like, that kind of stuff. It always, I always love seeing, like, those types of instruments get featured in other types of music because they can be used in so many different contexts, and, like, a lot of the time, folk instruments, it feels like, kind of get shoeboxed into just being folk music. Yeah. And so I always think that. It's cool when they get used in these other contexts. Mm-hmm. I can't think of the name of the band right now, but there's an early 2000s band, an indie band that uses, like, a violin, like a fiddle. It works so well to, like, fill the space. It's like a pad, almost. Yeah. Well, I love a good fiddle, too. Like, oh, man. Now I just want to listen to some bluegrass or something, you know? Screw this rock and emo shit. We're abandoning this. I was forcing Elijah to listen to some bluegrass just a couple weeks ago. Oh, nice. Who are you listening to? Shoot. For me, his name's The. Was it Shaky Knees? Damn. The Shaky Knees. Shaky Knees, sorry. There's somebody. When we were on tour, we listened to, who did we listen to for, like, three hours? It was when we were driving down to Jeffersonville, like, from the Ohio line to Kentucky, back up into Indiana. I can't remember who it was, but we listened. Was it Billy Strings? It was Bella Fleck and the Flecktones. Bella Fleck and the Flecktones. All right. That's, like, kind of old school a little bit. Yeah, that's cool. Hell, yeah. My dad showed me that back in the day. I remember listening to that in his pickup truck. Hell, yeah. That was not what we were listening to on tour, but yes. Sometimes, like, he was like, do you want to try to listen to this? And then we're, like, driving. And then it's been, like, two hours. He's like, we have to listen to this. Like, I was just enjoying the music, man. I was having a good time. But we do that. And we'll be, like, driving on tour. And then we just, like, don't talk for two hours. We just listen to the music. And then, like, turn around. He's like, are you enjoying this? Yeah. Yeah, I am. I'm just vibed out. Yeah. It's a very peaceful van. Except for when Juj has the Xbox. Because we have it, too. We drive. We tour in a minivan. Okay. And so Juj brings. And they're Xbox 360. And then. Is it one of the minivans that has, like, the, like. float down like the like the DVD player and all that yeah yeah it has like an HDMI port though oh that's sick but like um like like it'll be like it'll be dead at night we're trying to get back to the hotel or wherever we're staying yeah we're driving and then like from the back of the van you just hear massive massive crash you're like dude you good and the dude's just like I can't beat this level on Halo I'm gonna lose my life but yeah you know hey how do you guys rotate out the aux privileges when you're in the van is it just kind of first come first serve it's usually just it's off of my phone every time just because I have like one of those carplay things and so then oh so it just automatically yeah but like I don't I try not to be stingy unless it's just trash so some of the suggestions that get thrown in you're just like what are we doing I'm not listening to this that napalm death song yeah well that's that's a good bit do you know the the napalm death song what's it called you suffer but why yeah I mean I'm familiar with napalm death I'm not familiar with that particular song I don't think it's the guinness world record holding song for being the shortest song ever recorded oh yeah it's like a second or something like that it's just ridiculous okay yeah no I know what you're talking about our bit is that whoever like every once in a while an ox will just cue it and then like it'll be like at the bottom of the cue you get to the bottom and then it's just like and then you move on and it just leaves everybody in the bank confused that's so funny that actually reminds me it was either that song or another similar song I was how I found out that Spotify just doesn't count plays for songs I think under like 30 seconds yeah or something like that yeah I didn't realize that but I was like looking up something and I think it was like that or like another like you know that kind of that type of band and I was just like how does this say that it has less than a thousand plays I know that this band is really popular I know that this song is really popular and so that was how I found out I think it's like less than 30 seconds or something like that it just doesn't count Spotify just doesn't count the number of plays and so it's always less than a thousand yeah yeah that's our bit though we just play that song it's a good bit I like it it's gonna be like four hours of that and then every once in a while we'll turn on to talk to a podcast oh my god that was a rough hour and a half car from from Minneapolis to Milwaukee we were like let's do it as a joke and then we listened to the whole thing and I feel like we all just got dumber we had to I lost brain cells yeah a little bit but listen to Fresh Signs next time instead we went to but I used it my attorney or no it's no no it's me it's me yeah I just played the last song yeah yeah alright so my third and final song is I don't even need my notes because it's Close Your Eyes by the Backseat Lovers it is the second song off of their second full length album Waiting to Spill this album once again this album was like another pinpoint for me and kind of the songwriting in our band where I was like just very eye opening for the for the non for the non uh YouTube watchers or listeners amazement is basically what it was they released this song as a single and I don't think I stopped listening to it I just haven't stopped listening to it actually it's usually like once a day I have to turn this on and just like think about it but like our song Burning Room is very inspired by kind of like the second half of this song and the dual melodies and how they're singing different things at the same time and like it kind of just fits I love a good overlapping light like vocal melody like counter melody thing I absolutely love that so much yeah and so like I heard that this wasn't the first time I heard it but this was the first time that like I was paying attention when I heard it I guess you know sure and so I heard it and then I was like oh my gosh I want to do this and it kind of worked that we were able to with Burning Room and so yeah this is yeah the Backseat Lovers this is the band that we get compared to the most I think nice okay cool yeah do you wanna babe love Like your father The older you get Your head's getting hotter Pick up the phone When he calls you You know he's alone He's preaching cause he loves you Where have you been? Jack's been waiting in your room every night Why don't you stay home tonight? Could you waste your life? If you're playing to the mind Now the day has died But it's too late To close your eyes Time keeps telling me to change But I'm fragile and afraid I know you're not the only one Could you waste your life? If you're playing to the mind Now the day has died But it's too late To close your eyes Close your eyes Close your eyes Close your eyes The clock it takes I have to get older And I wake up And the dream is over Packed away My life moving slower Oh I hate to get a new day Oh I hate to get a new day Do you wanna play? The clock it takes I have to get older The older you get When I wake up And the dream keeps on going My head's getting hotter And the dream keeps on going Pick up the phone Packed away My life moving slower The song was you Oh I'd hate to get any older Oh I'd hate to get any older Oh I'd hate to get any older all the time too like there are some people who are like oh yeah i just went to such a great show now i just want to throw all my guitars out because i'll never be that good it's like i've never felt that way i always leave that type of thing just feeling so inspired yeah so many ideas so many things that i want to rip off yeah yeah there's there's nothing more inspiring than like a live performance video at three in the morning and i don't know what it is i mean you're sitting there in your room watching somebody you've never heard of before play guitar uh in front of this massive crowd you're like it's gonna be me one day yeah it's gonna be me and so uh no that song it's that i i encourage everybody that i know to listen to that entire album all the way through uh it's like very uh it's like coming of age but not in a cringe way you know i mean it's like like it's like uh it's not more of like a slice of life type of thing yeah as opposed to like you know trying trying to make it yeah i i get what you're i get what you're getting yeah it's like we're adults now kind of like we're adults now and like i have like things that i have to take care of and i don't know how uh and like that's i feel like throughout the entire album is just like that where it's like i don't know what's going on it's relatable man yeah nobody knows what's going on yeah and so i i love that album very much i think i think that all three of my songs that we like that i had played today were very similar to each other in like one way and also very different from each other in another way so i like that though yeah i think that i think that you curated a vibe that uh allows us to see inside your uh inside your creative process a little bit hey yeah i think all of these feel pretty like hemingway yeah for sure yeah hard on my sleeve man i'm gonna listen to something i'm gonna take it well and i also really like because you were like introducing it talking about like the uh the the vocals and i was i wasn't expecting the kind of like call and response type of thing i thought that that was really cool the way that they did that like it something about that type of thing like it feels very alive in a way that i really enjoy yeah i yeah i absolutely like i like i said i when i heard it for the first time and i was like that's phenomenal uh but like the the end of it where they come back together and it's like i'd hate to be any older or any whatever it is uh uh like that where then they're they're harmonizing and like it concludes both of their statements uh in a way that makes sense i was just like oh this is so good this is so good i remember uh it released i was driving to cedar point with my girlfriend and like a bunch of her friends and i was like we have to listen to this song and then like halfway through i was like oh we shouldn't listen to this song it's gonna ruin my day and so uh yeah i love that song very much it's either that or you like put something on and like you're like listening to it and somebody just starts talking over the song and they're like oh that means so much to you and they're not taught like there's a difference between i'm talking about the song like oh this is really cool like you're clearly actively listening versus like so yeah what did you do the other day and you're like come on man this this this shit means so much to me it's got me it's got me fired up in the driver's seat of this minivan getting ready to yell at some some poor 18 year old like one of my my girlfriend's friends i'm like shut up but no that wasn't yeah yeah i lashed out there my bad sorry presley's friends you guys aren't gonna watch this but maybe they will maybe they will i doubt it but maybe they will i don't know but oh yeah i love that song very much and so i also really like the guitar tone like there's just because there's the the really like overdriven part that's like really clean that i really like but then there's also kind of like an overblown like fuzzy kind of thing too that's almost like if it had more reverb it it would be like bordering on like shoegaze a little bit but but it's like it's a bit cleaner um that's just i that whole song is just extremely well orchestrated i really like it yeah uh that um that guitar tone that they have in that like wanna no yeah um it reminds me a lot of uh like the body snatchers by radiohead okay like that guitar tone like you know what i mean um which like they've said in a few interviews that like they this album was very inspired like in one way or another by radiohead and kind of what they did and like like in some of their albums and so um it's like i don't know it's kind of a cool homage i don't know how they do it whether what do you know whether it's the blues driver like we talked about or like board game whatever it might be but it's just i don't know we're all speculating as to how they achieve the guitar tone because we're all a bunch of certified nerds over here yes um but no yeah i i think uh i don't know there's a lot of element like that that song to me is kind of like every song is a is a puzzle but that one like i feel like just like all the the pieces of it just fit together so perfectly in a way that you're like oh i never once felt like i was wishing for something more yeah yeah it is it is perfect at what it is yes you know what i mean so all right what do we got my next song is uh the fox the crow and the cookie by me without you okay um it's a little bit older again it's from 2008 um me without you is super cool to me we talked about this a little bit earlier we're just uh bands like branching out into different directions in like genres and stuff their first like three albums two or three were very like early 2000s like hardcore yeah um like metalcore inspired um but then this album is just like straight like a folk album yeah okay yeah but um i this is just like artistic like aspirations for me it's the highest level of like lyric writing i think it's okay it's beautiful to me there's um if you read it without music it reads like a poem there's oh interesting there's tons of like metaphor and it's it's beautiful i love it through mostly vacant streets a baker from the outskirts of his town earned his living peddling sweets from a ragged car he dragged around the clever fox crept close behind kept an ever watchful eye for a chance to steal a ginger spice cake or a boys and mary pie looking down was the hungry crow when the time is right i'll strike and condescend to the earth below and take whichever treat i like the moment the baker turned around to shoo the fox off from his cart the crow swooped down and snatched the fox from his cart and snatched the fox from his cart a shortbread cookie and a german chocolate tart using most unfriendly words that the village children had not yet heard the baker shouted threats by cantonette to curse the crappy bird you rotten wooden mixing spoon why you midnight wing raccoon you better bring those pastries back you're no good burnt black macaroon the fox approached the tree where the bird was cursed delighted in his nest brother crow don't you remember me it's your old friend fox with a humble request that you could share just a modest piece seeing as i distracted that awful man this failed to persuade the crow in the least so the fox rethought his plan and if your lovely song would grace my ears or to even hear you speak would ease my pains and fears the crow looked down with a candy in his beak your poems of wisdom i could grow what a paradise they bring this flattery pleased the proud bird so he opened his mouth and began to sing your subtle acclimation's true best to give praise where praise is due every brook and jay in the core of the day's been raving about me too they admire me one and all must be the passion for me the passion in my core my slender bill known through the eschatol my fierce commanding claw i got a warm up browning blade i got a warm up browning blade and molasses in my veins crushed graham cracker bust my powdered sugar funnel cake cocaine let the crescent cookie rise these carrot covered almond eyes with respite see my cashew princess in the swirling marble sky we'll rest upon the knee where all divisions cease to be a group beer floating on banana loaf across the tapioca sea when letting all of that go to waste i'll see you in the next one i'll see you in the next one i'll see you in the next one dude that instrumentation is wild i love it so much it's beautiful it's playful it really yeah like when the tuba came in was not expecting that i really enjoyed like the violin playing but it kind of caught me off guard when it started doing like the plucking like pizzicato type of thing but also like that sounded super cool too like all of it like playful is a great word for it like this is gonna be a very weird reference but in my brain when i was listening to it do you did you ever read like the book of how the grinch stole christmas no i haven't okay so there's the like the instrument that's like a big brass instrument that's also like a pedal uh like vehicle thing i was like this is what i imagine that to sound like if that makes any sense yeah it's whimsical as fuck exactly no this is really interesting but uh yeah lyrically um i mean it begins talking about the baker but then like through the rest of it it's just like food metaphors and like similes and uh imagery and it's it's very cool to me and it's not just like another song about a girl or something it tells like a folk tale yeah it's it's so cool to me it's something that i'd really like to listen to like while actively like reading the lyrics at the same time yeah do you know what made them switch from like the hardcore sound that they had been going to going with for two projects to the folk project i couldn't say okay i think they just wanted to i think that was just the direction yeah that's good i didn't know if there was like a reason or you know what i mean but it was very cool like um it it reminded me of like like i don't want to say it because you guys treated me like i was wrong when i said but it reminds me of like uh like uh uh like even like slaughter beach dog or um uh whatever that other one that i said it was the twin side mattress front bottoms yeah like i think that either of those two bands like like that reminds me of that and it's kind of like a um it's more of like a storytelling vocally i get that for sure because i i think that it's kind of like a very very expressive style of vocal but it's also kind of like that more like higher kind of nasal tonality that you tend to hear in kind of like pop punk and emo a little bit yeah i i get where you're coming from to be fair i only know twin size mattress and acolyte by either of those bands um but it reminds me of both of those songs and both of those songs are very good and so you know what i mean yeah can i read one of these lyrics to you real quick no absolutely uh your subtle acclimation is true best to give praise where praise is due every rook and jay in the court of a has been raven about me too oh my goodness so rooks jays and ravens are all like in the court of a bird family yes so rook jay are every rook and jay in the court of a has been raven about me too is just that blew my mind the first time i heard it well and the the double use of raven too which is just again that's why i want to listen to this whole thing and just like read all the lyrics and like inspect it because it's so deep with wordplay like everything they do is it's yeah amazing and i've said this before but that's one of the uh biggest drawbacks that i've found with this format that i do for this show is the fact that you only get to hear the song once if you've never heard it before so i think that's one of the biggest drawbacks that before and if there is something like that with very complex wordplay it's hard to pull that much out of it in the very first listen yeah and i'm a type of person i listen to the uh the instrumental and like the vibe first and then i start to dissect lyrics later i know that there are some people who go the opposite way me and elijah have talked about this yeah i'm the same way as you he is the exact opposite he really goes yeah i'm always lyrics first and if i can't like find i can be like this is like i relate to this or you like this is catching me in some way then i like i'd probably like i can't listen to this song but that is also the other thing that i kind of find interesting about this format too is you kind of get to figure out the way that different people's brains work when listening to music like what is the first thing that you pick out like i'm always like oh the riff or like the guitar uh tone or whatever but you know everybody has their own different things that they kind of fixate on for the song so i think that's one of first when they listen to a song yeah uh just kind of building off like no go ahead uh not really the opposite because it's like this it's the same as you guys however you guys are both expressing uh the ability to like perceive the lyrics at all right okay uh juji our guitar our lead guitar player cannot hear the lyrics in a song at all dude i struggle with it so much yeah dude uh when when juji came in we were gonna have like i was gonna have to like i was gonna have to like oh juji you might have to sing like this part of one of our songs just like you know giving you a heads up and then we didn't really practice we practiced it and but we didn't really like talk about or anything and then it was right before one of one of the first shows that juji plays played with us we're like doing sound check and then juji like looks at me and goes what's the what's the melody for this part and i was like uh and so like we're like figuring it out and i'm and then juji's like sweet sweet sweet what are the words i was like dude you had two weeks to let me know you didn't know this stuff and i was like do you not listen uh and juji's like i can't hear the words and i was like okay sounds good that i'm glad that i never have to you know like worry about critiques on the lyrics from juji well there's also like the production thing too this uh very clearly the vocal the vocals are supposed to be the focal point of the song based on how high they're mixed yeah um whereas like there's other times you know if you're just writing a vibey song that has lyrics but the lyrics aren't that important a lot of the time you can kind of get away with like burying them a little bit more and i also think that there's kind of i personally i always think of it as the two camps of being like the uh more like hard rock and metal versus like the pop side of things where i think of uh pop as being there's the instrumental and then there's the vocalist on top of it yeah yeah whereas hard rock and metal and metal adjacent things uh tend to treat the vocalist as a part of the band and mix them a little bit further back so that they're almost being mixed like another instrument as opposed to being like the person that you're supposed to pay attention to yeah at least that's the way that i've always thought about it i yeah i think that i don't like i don't know if that's necessarily like a like um a conscious decision for like producers or whatever but like i i think that i would agree very much so with you it's something that i've thought about because like i like i said my my background is a lot more in like the the metal stuff like that yeah and the first time that i started mixing more poppy type music that was something that i actively had to wrestle with because my inclination was to put it a little bit further back and they're like no i want this to be brought out a little bit more i've never thought about it like that like not once well i mean and if you don't do like engineering or production nearly as much it's probably not something that you would have ever really thought about but you know or ever in my case no one's ever tried to even touch that side of it but um so we are down to our final song you guys chose this one together i believe right yep okay cool so what are we listening to how are we uh ending out this fine afternoon now into the evening we got we got a we got a good little ditty you know okay hold on let me let me do this you can't say yeah i can't this is fucked up and i'm not i'm not even being all right you can't call new songs little ditties anymore because like the it's fucked up he ruined a good saying well anyway sorry never even thought about it well i'm gonna start bringing it up to everybody i know i'm just gonna ruin it for everybody for me yeah so i have to ruin it for everybody else no i was sitting at work and i thought of that i was like oh my god we can't even call our new songs little ditties anymore be right back because of the implication but the thing is is she's not gonna say she would never say no because of the implication because of the implication so anyway we have a tight five i look our stage banter is dog shit in this band we we gotta we gotta do something but we were bringing the last song that we have yeah thank you uh i yeah uh the last song that we're bringing to you guys is one that i think that we both like it was made by people that we both we care about a lot and uh it's a it's a subject we we both care about and so um we had uh it's it's are you still the same by the dartmores i am a part well i was i'm no longer a part of that band i had to step away but like i love the dudes in that band have you had the pleasure of meeting them freddie and vince yeah yeah uh they are like they are our best friends i talk to freddie three times a week just on the phone we're just we're just chatting about whatever my you know be in front of our eyes in that very moment um and so i uh i helped to record this song i did a little bit of guitar work and so i i thought we you know we were sitting in this room and i was like it might be cool so i'm glad that logan agreed and we hope you guys enjoy it do you have anything to say about the song preemptively no this song makes me emotional sometimes hey prepare to get sad this is what we do here all right okay are you still the same by the dartmores i am a part well i was i'm no longer a part of that band i had to step away but like i love the dudes in that band have you had the pleasure of meeting them freddie three times a week We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. ours because i would love to pick his brain and whatnot but like nate is phenomenal and now they're actually they're recording their second album with nate and so nice i'm excited to see what they're gonna do yeah if the production quality is like what we just listened to i'm gonna be so stoked on it because that sounds phenomenal yeah it's so clear it is yeah without sacrificing energy because sometimes with like that type of music like if you go for like a more clear sound then it starts to like almost sound sounds sterile and like it's like lacking life yeah and this is like the perfect balance of that i think it's great yeah nate's very good at what he does if you're if you're looking to record some music nathan laytart or that's i was at sunhead studios i think it's sunhead studios i could be wrong but nathan laytart man he's he's ridiculously good at what he does hell yeah and also steve worsler i have to i have to throw our boy you to throw him in there nice so but yeah i think do you have anything to say about are you still the same i love the dart wars i love freddie i love vincent um like i said they uh that song gets me emotional um what's uh that other song by them yeah uh when everyone was there when everyone was there i used to cry to that song but like i enjoy and i'm a fan of a lot of music in the scene yeah but it's hard to like touch me that deep like emotionally and freddie just does yeah freddie does it so quick and it's it's amazing yeah i think that there's i don't know a lot of these songs are kind of like uh nostalgic in a way in terms of like their uh their themes and things like that and i think that we're all kind of of the age where it's like you're starting to grapple with the fact that i am an adult and i have to deal with all these things and i kind of just am nostalgic for when i used to play halo on the xbox with my friends and drink mountain dew yeah yeah and i i think that there's there's something there's nostalgia is a very powerful drug all right um this has been a good episode guys um i i had a great time i'm glad that you were able to come over and make this happen uh is there anything else that you want to say one last time before we sign off for the end of the episode anything about hemingway lane anything about new music shows anything like that that we may have not covered or specifically want to cover a second time to make sure that people have it fresh in their minds yeah um we have a new song coming out next month uh i don't know that it'll be announced by the time that this comes out but i'll we'll do it here it's called shattered glass it's about this time that somebody broke into my car while i was at work um i we hope you enjoy it we've got a few shows coming up april 4th we're at culture clash in toledo for modi's release show a april 17th we're at bowling green spring fest in june we have one show that are that we can't talk about yet but i want to so bad and i gotta stop bringing it up anyway keep a lookout make sure that you follow on social media yeah keep keep your eyes open it'll be it'll be a fun one then we got excellency if you need tickets you can talk to us about it we have fee free tickets uh you can get um and so just let us know we're really excited we're really excited it's thank you for having us on thank you so much it means a lot yeah absolutely we don't get to do podcasts that often and that's kind of why i try and do this is i'm like you know there's so little media representation for small you know kind of just starting diy bands and i if if i can give people a platform to talk about their music and talk about their friends music and all that then you know i i feel like i'm doing something so well thank you very much and i'll see you next week thank you very much this has been the fresh finds podcast the show about discovering new music with good people and this is our song shattered glass hell yeah fresh i don't mean to be so negative i just can't you over all the shattered glass you