Fresh Finds Podcast Season 5 Episode 3 W/ No Business

Hello, and welcome back to Season 5 of The Fresh Finds Podcast, the show about discovering new music with good people. I'm Ryan, and this episode I'm joined by the guys from Florida Rock Band No Business. How are you guys doing? Doing pretty good. Good to hear. Good to hear. How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. It's a nice Sunday, we're enjoying some company with some good people. So do you guys want to take a minute to introduce yourselves and kind of give a little bit of a history of the band that sort of thing? Yeah, I can do that real quick, so I'm Paul, I do vocals for the band, and I'm like the main writer. The dude, the guy. I won't hammer home the Spy Kids 3 Reference again, but, you know, I'm at 8 and 9. One at a time. One of you? Go Hayden. It's my turn. I played Biz and No Basinus. I mean, bass and No Basin. Jesus Christ, my name is Nick, and I play guitar and No Business. And last but not least, I'm Josh, I play drums. There we go. There we go. We finally got it, everybody. So yeah, so Paul, you kind of started this out. Do you want to give a little bit of background on like the kind of the conception of the band and what you were trying to accomplish with it? Yeah, I'll give the business back. So it started out as just like a way for me to write music by myself. I had played in a bunch of other bands throughout the years, and never quite could figure out how to like write what other people wanted as well as like, I like writing just different stuff. I love a ton of different music, and therefore like, I want to write a bunch of different music. More than a clectic taste. So anytime I would try to write for something that was like a hyper-specific like project that had like a vibe and a feel, I would never be able to write what I thought was like good enough for it. So I just made this fun little band where like I could just write whatever I wanted and like, rules didn't matter at all. Gotcha. And then when I moved to Florida in 2019, I kind of brought it down here. That was when I met Alex, who's our only member that isn't here. He and I were roommates actually for a while, and he had went to full sale for like studio production. And I was just like, we were, you know, trapped inside in 2020, and I was like, I got this album kicking around, would you want to produce and mix and master it? And he was like, yeah, sure, why not? So we, that was how we made Snitch. Once I had all the Snitch stuff together, I started trying to like, figure out playing shows and all that. Because at that point, it was kind of more of like the post-lockdown era, and so everybody's trying to get back in the light. Yeah, yeah. As everything starts opening up, you know, I met Hayden through work, and I think within like 30 minutes of knowing am I asked him to join the band. This is not an exaggeration, by the way. This is not an exaggeration. By the way, it was my first day of work. So I was relocated from New Orleans to Orlando through Hurricane Ida, my literal very first day of work. I'm in the office. We were just chatted about music, and I was talking about how I played music, and I played bass and like metal bands back home, you know, and I'd been doing it for years and years. And then Paul Straightup looked at me and was like, you want to join a band? He was like, yeah, why not? Just the most casual thing in the world. And then, and then after that, and we were like, I guess we should become like actual friends. Yeah. And what do you guys do for work that you guys met through that? So at the time, we were both, we work for a company that does like convention center audio visual stuff. Okay. So like, we worked in our, it's like a hotel sided thing. So like, we both were stationed at the same hotel at the time. We've sent splintered off in a different path, but like, I still get to have him over at my hotel every now and then, because he's on the big boy production team. Gotcha. I'm a big boy producer. Yeah. Well, the ass pencil pusher. Yep. He sits at a desk. I mean, also, I should like, in the dark, I should ask before we started, we can curse, right? Oh, yeah. No, no, you're, you're good. You're good. Sick. I feel like that is such a good trope on like any podcast is just like the first time somebody drops just a hard fuck and then they're like, wait, shit, are we allowed to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. But yeah. After that, there wasn't a whole lot of movement until my old band was playing like, it was supposed to be the comeback show, but it ended up being our last show because we never played anything after that. You're supposed to be the comeback show, but it was the farewell show. Yeah, it was the farewell show. Nobody knew it. It's like our vocalist on, there's actually, there's still a video of it. And in between like every song, my vocalist is going, we're never doing this shit again. And like, everybody was like, oh, yeah, it's real funny. And then we never actually did it again. So yeah, we were garing up to play that comeback show and I was, I basically just asked because we were hosting it ourselves. I was like, can I please have my new band play it and like get started on that? And he was like, yeah, sure, whatever. So I hit up Josh again. I had hit up Josh a couple times trying to get him to join this. And the first couple of times he was too busy for it, and then I got him like right at the right time where he was like, yeah, sure, I'll learn some silly rock songs. So me him. I think he had asked about like two or three times before I was like, you know what? I think I can make time for it. Screw it. Why not? Yeah. There you go. All right. Yeah. I was just like, I love Josh. I was like, I want him in the band. He's fun. I feel like he would actually enjoy playing this shit. And I know he's not going to like cool guy about switching genres too much. Oh, sure, sure. Yeah. Well, I'm a big death core guy, so I mainly play death core, but no, dude, even the more and more we play shows and especially with this record, we have coming out. New songs already out like I have just a higher sense of pride in what we recorded and stuff. Well, that's one of the things that I think is cool about you guys as a band is that you kind of like you lean into the metal core tendencies quite a bit, but like you're not afraid to do just like a straight rock song here and there like there's there's a ballad that ends the EP. You know, you guys are willing to kind of stretch things, which I think makes for a more interesting band because a lot of the time you've got somebody who's like, oh, yeah, we're going to be a metal core band. And then they just everything that they do sounds exactly like architects and you're like, okay, so I can just listen to architects then like, don't give me fucking started, man. It dude, it's funny. You say that because like a lot of my favorite crazy, it's so insane and a lot of my favorite current metal core is like metal core that splintered off and went, I want to do something different. I'm your co-worker, which means that I love bad omens because we have to and their last album was so good because they were like, hey, what if we just listened to a lot of the cure and got really sad and horny about it? And like it was the best shit they'd ever done. And like, I don't know, man, like I, I think that like you need to spend a little time as a metal core band and then you find other genres you like and like that's the best shit, you know, I just skipped all the learning steps. As a crossover genre itself, it kind of lends itself to being able to take influences from, you know, so many different directions. Like you guys also have a little bit of like new metal influence on dogma as well, which is the second track. Like you've even got like some record scratches and shit. Yeah, shout out Diego for that shit. It was like, so like we, that one, this whole EP's been kicking around for a long time. Like we started recording this in like, end of 2023 and like two of the songs are from like the original no business that I scraped from the internet because it sucked ass. Funny enough, both of the singles are the old, old as hell songs. So like dogma, dogma and rebirth, I think I had written and released originally in like 2017 and then scraped it all when we were putting out snitch because I was like, I don't want people to hear that and be like, oh, this band does not have it together. I regret the decision in the, like I regret doing it in the end because I think it's fun to look at. And like you can find the old EP on like band camp still. I was going to say, I feel like I saw the 2017 EP on band camp. Yeah, it's, I put it, yeah, I put it back up recently, just calling all the songs demos because like really that's what they are that I wanted to see if anybody could figure out that what songs, strings and dogma are because I didn't keep their titles the same. They stayed the same all through the recording process, but I changed them at the last minute. Gotcha. I was going to be fair. We, we did give dogma a fresh coat of paint. We gave dogma a huge fresh. Both of those have a completely fresh set of paint, both of those two songs. See that? That was what I was going to ask was how much they were revamped versus just kind of like a better recording, better performances. Entirely. You know, the only thing that stayed is the main riff from both of them. So like the, the chorus from dogma was originally just like the intro riff of its old song. And then the same thing for actually rebirth kept both it's like intro riff as well as it's chorus, but it's chorus isn't the chorus anymore. It's like the breakdown and outro. Okay. It's called strings now. Oh fuck. Way to go. Way to go. You know what? Surprise. That's what that one was called. Don't. We say the old song. You say the, we do say the old title in dogma, but the lyrics, the lyrics haven't uploaded to anything yet. So nobody can see it. See that. Okay. That was another thing when I was listening through the like pre-release. I was like, can I find like the lyrics on band camp? I know it's like unreleased, but is there lyrics anywhere? Yeah. I think I might have forgotten to push strings to band camp, but uh, whatever it's, it's out. You don't have to push the lyrics. That's the lyrics on, for dogma, it's on the YouTube and the description, I think that's the only spot right now. Oh, okay. Well, you also, I know you forgot to push the lyrics to strings because Hannah has texted me about eight times. about it. No, no, no, no. Here's the thing. I can't push them to Spotify yet because music match is an evil, evil company that has me on like a 30 day lockout after I submitted my ID to verify that it is me trying to put my lyrics on my soul. Oh my God. Man, that shit used to be free. It's either that it's like an extra payment and it is so late. It's either it's either fucking pay them more. It's either pay them money or wait 30 days and I was like, I'm not giving you money. Screw that. Exactly. And then every time I go to like fix the lyrics on a distro kid, they're like, you could give us $15 and we'll do it. And I'm like, no, I'm not giving you more money. And again, on distro kid, it used to be free. And then they're like, no, no, you got to get it. It's dumb. But yeah, those two or old songs, you got sent the whole EP, right? Yeah, I listen to the whole thing because it's four tracks, right? Yeah, four tracks. The only actual new song on that one is in fact snitch the title track, which is really funny because that's the title of the other record. And there's not a song called that on the initial record, right? Correct. But I think what was it? Invent animated that too. And I didn't even know it. I was like, this is stupid. And then Hayden's like, Invent, I mean, you can go back as far as like the 70s Led Zeppelin did that with what is the song remains the same. That song is on houses of the whole, no, opposite of that, I think. Anyway, yeah. The song Houses of the Holy is on the song that may remain the same. Yeah, exactly. Something like that. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it was. Goethe and Cambria has two of the same song on one of their albums. But like the second time it happens, they play the original song. And then they have this really ridiculous like Praughi outro. And it's awesome. Yeah. Can you tell us a similar thing? Yeah. Can Hill did a similar thing on their most recent album that I loved because when fade comes back around the second time, it's like the song is exactly the same, but the lyrics are different. And it's like you don't pick up on it unless you're like listening. Otherwise, you're just like, why the fuck is this song playing again? That's something that I absolutely love is when there's like, like whether it's, you know, a song that comes back a little bit different or like just melodic themes throughout like a record that get reused. It's such a cool concept to like add a little bit of like cohesion to a record. Yeah. That's very, very important to me, especially when like making songs that sound so different from one another is like trying to use that kind of stuff to like tie it all together. Cause like, you know, if we're going to have songs that are like so different, something's got to make it so that like it still feels like you're listening to the same record all the way through. And I've done that like on our album, it's done through like skits and there's this repeating like droning base thing. And then there's like a like a weird like therapy session vocal thing going on, which is on the EP as well. It's just it's kind of hard to hear. Yeah. I was going to say it's on at least one of the tracks. I know for sure. Yeah. I know it's at the, it's in the beginning of snitch, but I don't think you can hear it at all. And I think it's at the end of snitch at the end of dogma. I think I actually forgot to record the ones for there here, but that's fine. We're finding out on the podcast that there were things intended to be in the song. I don't know. I think I wrote something and I went that's corny. I'm not doing that. And then uh, just didn't actually fix it. Yeah. But um, yes, stuff like that. Um, so I really like doing all that like all of my favorite albums are like concept albums that do that kind of stuff. And like that's just like what I like to do with my music. I like music that sounds like whatever the hell I want it to. And I like to try and figure out how to put the puzzle together and make it all work. Yeah. I mean, I think that having something that kind of ties a record together, whether it's, you know, different uh, you know, different things like like the samples that you were talking about, like therapy kind of things or like anything like that. Just little things that tie it together are so important to like making a good cohesive project. Uh, I also, you, you specifically also mentioned like the, the kind of like droning synths and stuff like that. Like when I first heard that, my first thought was that it kind of reminded me of um, why can't I think of the name now kind of reminded me of um, come back to me on that. Yeah. Completely good. Where I was going to go with it. But silent planet. That's who I was thinking of. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Well, like the, like the, the droning synths and like little synth layers and things like that reminded me a lot of like that most recent silent, silent planet record. Paul and I actually saw silent planet, Paul and I actually saw silent planet beginning of last year with Johnny Booth and Aviana. Uh, no, what's for that? For hell. Yeah. And uh, it was, I remember like, cause I love silent planet. But I remember like for a few days afterwards, we both went down to silent planet rabbit hole and we were like, this band really does just a lot of really good shit that shows that like Garrett has such a cohesive vision for like everything he does. And I think, I think that that really, like stuff like that really shines through in that's what we like. So that's what we do with music. And yeah, I get that for sure. Yeah. Like I love that they like they throughout like, uh, like all of silent planet stuff, they make like constant callbacks to like old songs, old albums like they, they do it all. Like I think I listened to it there. It was like one of those weeks where I was like having to do a lot of physical work at work. So I just like popped the earbuds in and just, I listened to their whole dysiography and throughout the whole thing. I'm like, they're making callbacks to like their first album, four albums later. And like, it still works. Like it's still, it's all still cohes. I just love how they still crazy, uh, the depth trilogy thing going on. So much later compared to yeah, even the first EP, like their next. We're doing depth songs too. It throws back to that evolution of metal core thing we were talking about too, because like, uh, the, um, the singer of Josh's other band posted a joke about like how many metal core vocalists like have to break free because it's all in their head. And it reminds me of this quote I saw or this tweet I saw from Garrett, where somebody was like, Garrett, how do you write your lyrics? And he didn't even answer with words. He just posted that picture of Charlie Day with like the like the conspiracy theory board behind him. And he was just like, they sell me. They sell me out. Look at the milk with this whole boxers. They sell me out. Yeah. God. That's like, I was such a good, I was such a good response because that is silent planet lyrics. It's all in my head. I need to break free. And then oh, yeah, the single word entropy, I realized they use that in a bit. People need to pick up with the, uh, the source, bro. Yeah. I got to agree. Like silent planet. I think there's a smart enough band to use that. But there's some, there's some dumber. It's like how everybody use toxic over the last like five years. Yeah. Yeah. For the undertow. The undertow. It's going to be like everybody has an undertow a song. It has an undertow album from the 90s. Now we're getting into the issue of, uh, bands using of OV and their names of everything. I'm seeing that like a lot of death core bands using of like tactical stuff. I see all the time now. It pisses me off. So kind of going into the recording in the production of these last two projects, snitch and then the, uh, snitch deleted scenes. So was this all recorded, produced, mixed mastered in house? Yeah. Everything was done by Alex. Um, unfortunately not here to talk about any of it, but Alex is our other guitarist. Um, and the way we did snitch was it was just him and I in a room and we, you know, I would just, you know, get up in the morning, eat breakfast, walk over to his room and we would just like work on songs for a little bit. Um, and this was like pandemic era, right? Yeah. This was like middle of 2020 because I know I had all the finals by like Christmas of 2020 and I was like, I was like showing my family. I'm like, look, my songs. They're all so good. And I'm released until none of them released until three years later, two years later. It sucks sitting on completed, completed stuff too. It does. And I like, I wanted to have, I wanted to be able to play shows with it. And I should have just, I should have just released it and started working on more stuff. It's a, I've been learning a lot with this, uh, this release of like that I just need to put music out and like it just needs to get out there. Like once it's done, it's done. Get it out. Yeah. Um, but yeah. So that was a lot of like us working on songs and like, uh, you know, working through them. Uh, we also had my other roommate at the time. Jesse, he was the one who brought all the drums for snitch. Um, he just kind of programmed them for us because we weren't able to like, um, we weren't really able to like, uh, go in like record drums like Josh wasn't in the band yet. So we did have a drummer as well as like Jesse, like we tried a couple of different things with like an e-kip, but it never worked out. So he ended up just programming them all. And like you can tell, they sound very programmed on snitch, but I think the record's still good enough that like people aren't going to mind. Um, I was going to say it's not glaringly obvious. Like there, there's some where it's like you listen to it and you're like, Oh, yeah, that shit is like just on the, on the, the beat the entire time. Like it's so robotic. Like you, you did a good enough job of at least like working with it to make it work. Yeah. That's also because of the way that Alex, like does his like samples and stuff. He's a big one shot guy. So everything sounds like it's just being like blasted. Um, so without that actual like real kit backing it, it just sounds like slightly fake. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, like specifically at the end of Taddle Tail, there's a couple of fills that I'm just like, this shit sounds like that 2010 woes me out and like it's just, it's so fake. And you can kind of shout out it, but shout out to Thomas Hockey's drum kit from hell. Oh, no, uh, no, uh, no get good drums on this side. I am. - I have no idea what Alex used for samples on it. Get Good is what I used to write stuff with. Just 'cause I bought it a while ago. 'Cause it sounds good. - I was gonna say it's like, it's the point across. - It's like the metal cord drum sound. You're saying, "Yeah, yeah." - Yeah. (laughing) - It gets, it's all I need is something that gets the point across. So I'm rocking with like the Get Good drums. I think I have like the STL will puttany pack and like, I do have tone hub from them too, but I don't use that nearly as much. - Yeah. - But that's like mostly for demoing. - Well, yeah, for deleted scenes, we actually had a band this time around. - Yeah! - So it was then time of like, you know, right as we were releasing Snitch actually was when I turned around and I was like, okay, I got these like, I had written a like a live set intro, which ended up becoming Snitch. - Okay. - I had these like three older songs that I was like, I wanna redo these and do these justice 'cause like, I still believed in the riffs that we had for them. I was like, these old songs suck. They're recording suck and there's no point in trying to do anything with that. But I was like, these riffs are still really good and I think I could make the best versions of these songs. So I think it was pretty soon after we had like, started playing shows and Snitch came out. Hayden came over to help me out with Dogma's first verse 'cause like, I had written one. I had written like a complete demo, but I was always just like, this first verse sucks ass. So I had Hayden come over and he just like, he ripped that first verse like the entire like, all the stuff where it's like the dun dun dun dun dun dun. All that. So that was all Hayden, that like machine gun breakdown was all Hayden. And like for that one later on, when we were going to record it, I had Josh come in. He was the one who helped me orchestrate like the preverse, I guess you were called with like the drums and thoms and stuff. I was like, I have no idea what to do with this. And like Josh ironed that out real quick. It was great. - Yeah, I think so. That's the thing being able to work with people makes writing so much easier because you're like, I don't have an idea that somebody else actually has something. Yeah. - Going instead of just sitting on it. - Having that a plate of paper. - No, you're good, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. - No, no, no, no. - Okay. - All right, go ahead. - Going into that writing session to iron out drums for certain sections and stuff like that, it gave me a whole new confidence to have, I guess my voicings in those demos. And it only ever amplified when we went to record drums just this past summer. I think it was like in May or June or something like that. We passed out off for songs like in like five hours or so. And what was my favorite song and snitch off the EP ended up being strings at the end of the day. 'Cause I'm just, I really loved what a new onces I had in mind going into the studio to record. And just like I couldn't emphasize more of the, just the way strings were structured as a song. Like it's a, it's pretty like rock and rollly, but I like the, I give it a more easy core label. 'Cause it still has like a breakdown of sorts. - Yeah, I was actually gonna mention like, there's a couple songs between the EP and the album that I was like, I almost get like a little bit of like, in a day to remember vibe. - It's practically metal core. - Yeah. - Yeah, I get that comparison. That was one of my favorite bands in like high school. I'm not even gonna like deny it. I love their stuff. - And that's not like everything, but just like a couple of like the not quite as heavy the entire way songs kind of like leaned in that easy core direction a little bit more. - Yeah, a little bit. I mean, the strings was definitely supposed to feel more like a, like a under oath or like static dress song, but I think it being in like a more like major key kind of pushes it in that like easy core direction. - Well, I mean, it's really just, it's ever long too if I'm being honest here. It is straight up, I'm not even lying. Those are the chords from ever long. - Oh, don't look at them. It's just ever long. - That's so funny. - Dude, so we gotta, I gotta text from Paul after we'd finalize strings and after we'd like, after he'd like, after I uploaded the EP to like all the stores and stuff. - Nick and I get a text from Paul where he was like, fellas, I missed the chance to do the funniest thing and just call strings ever long too. And we were both like, you gotta redo it. He's like, nope, it's done. - Yeah, it was already uploaded. We had the dates picked out. I think I was like too late on uploading everything too. But yeah, I was like, that would have been really goddamn funny to just call the song ever long too. - It would have been very fun. I do like that it has like a little bit of a build to it, which I think is really, really cool though. Like it starts out really soft and it's kind of like, it's a slow burn to get into it, which I really like. - Yeah. But yeah, I guess it's kind of wrap up like producing and everything. The whole point of this EP really was to figure out how we would all write as a band together. 'Cause before this, it was just me in my room, writing out demos and like building on them over time. And then you know, once all the demos are done, I take it to Alex, he adds his spin on it or in the case of slow dance from the album, we rewrote that song from the ground up. That one was gonna be weird originally. That one was originally gonna be like a, I guess like a, it was gonna be like acoustic guitar with like some like more, I guess hip hopy drums and like. - Oh, interesting. - It's gonna be like a lot of like spoken word kind of stuff going on and then eventually we were just like, I thought more about like the theme of the album and I was like, I need a like a song that would be playing during like an 80s movie slow dance scene and then eventually turned around what I had into slow dance. - Gotcha, gotcha. - Yeah, it was to figure out how we would write as a band and like how that would go. And largely it still kind of stayed the same of like, especially 'cause like I had these songs kind of done already. But like it was a long process now of me like writing these demos, sending them to the band. Some of them we start to work into the live set earlier on and through playing them, then like the guys can kind of see like, oh like I'd rather do this with this song or I'd rather like do this this way. And then like you know, if I'm ever stuck on something or doubting something then I'll like, I'll bring in like individual people to kind of help one at a time. 'Cause I think like, yeah. I've been a part of those writing sessions where it's like everybody in the room together and like that works for some bands. But for me I'm just like, there's a whole bunch of people here like just tossing out ideas and like we're never gonna get focused enough to really like do what needs to be done. So like you know, I'll bring in Hayden, I'll bring in Alex, I'll bring in Josh. - He needs something a little more structured as opposed to the more free form. Everybody's just kind of throwing stuff into the mind and seeing what needs to be done. - And again, like that works for some bands. Like I know Josh is other band. They literally just go to the practice space and start playing that band. - Yeah we like, that's how they write. - For my other band. - And that's a rock. - And like, I could never do that is like why it's so impressive to me. - So I played drums for this death core band called Heavy Hitter, if it's any bit familiar. - Yeah, we write live. But as of like last year, I've been wanting, I've been itching actually to wanna learn how to program drums to streamline the writing process to cut some steps out that may be deemed unnecessary and be able to just try to break material out faster and you know, get results whether satisfactory or not before going into it and building upon ideas. I already have prepared rather than having to do it on the fly all the time. - Yeah, no, I think that makes a lot of sense. And you guys kind of moving like you said that this EP was largely to see like how you work together in the writing process and stuff like that. Have we gotten to the point of starting new ideas from scratch with this group as opposed to the like stuff that kind of already existed? Or are we already starting to work on new stuff for another project? - Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, I never stop writing music and I have to like tell myself to stop until something is done. So like, I remember when I had just finished, so I mean, it all goes in order. Like when I first finished that first EP that we scrapped, I wrote, what was it, "Tattletail and Bassalisk," immediately after finishing that. So those songs are as old as like 2016. - Oh, damn, okay. - So I wrote those immediately after finishing it. They barely changed as well. So then like, you know, snitches finished and immediately after that, I started writing some newer songs, which are not released yet. I needed more time for all of that and for the very grandiose idea I have going on for that. But yeah, we've been, I've still been writing demos. I haven't gotten to the point of getting everybody together more often. I've been trying to do that this year, but like we've been slammed at work and all that, but I wanna make sure I get these guys in on a lot of that. 'Cause I've got like, I got a ton of demos already done and I've got like ideas of like what I wanna do with all that. But, you know, there's some parts of it that I'm just like, this sucks, how can we fix it? - I remember we were learning that to sing my teeth in two. - Yeah, I remember we were going, I had like, this is like right when I joined up with the boys and we were going to do a recording for snitch that I was a part of. And as we're driving over to Alex's place, Paul's just like, you wanna hear some unreleased shit? And just like the whole ride over, like we even finished recording that of the EP, and he just was showing me stuff like this is so, this is cool. - Yeah, I think I showed him like, I think I showed him like eight tracks or something. Like it's, we have enough music for an album written. I'm just not happy with it yet. There's like probably six or seven of them I'm very happy with, but like, you know, we gotta work on it. - And yeah, I forgot to mention that, but like Nick did not join the band until like a little bit ago. He was originally gonna be a guest spot on the song snitch and then after a little bit I was like, dog, you play guitar and you're at every show anyways. - He wanted to just be our second turn. - I think he was like, yeah. - Yeah, sure, wow. - I just was like, I would just go see the boys play live 'cause I like Paul and I used to live in the same area in Maryland and we went to college together too. Like we just kept them running into each other and we never like really hit it off. And then we connected again 'cause we both were living in Florida just by chance. And so we connected. And he told me about no business. So I went and saw the boys live. And that's where I met Hayden, Josh, Alex. And then all I was doing after that was like, I would just make shit posts on Twitter for them. And just like, which is goofing around and all that. And then, but yeah, I go to every show 'cause they were close and they're fun and I've just got to hang out with my buddies. And then they have Paul's like, he's one of-- - Are you still the guy behind the Twitter account too? - It's a group effort. I just, it's like half and half between Nick and I, depending on what it is. Like if you see something that's like incredibly out of pocket, it's probably Nick. Or I've given Josh the Twitter password. Finally, like I keep saying, I'm gonna do. I always find it really funny when everybody has equal access to like the band Twitter account. And you can tell like, oh yeah, this is this guy. This isn't the other guy that you usually post shit. Like if you ever see anything that looks like very, very professionally done, good chance Hayden probably logged in for the first time in months and did that one for us. - They're just so much better at it than I am. They're so much funnier than I am. And I'm like, I'm more of like a, everything in a neat little package and like very succinct like bam, like kinda, I'm, I'm that guy. And then they're all just like, all right, but what if we just like farted on it? And it's just like great. - I feel like you kinda have to walk that line a little bit. Like you have to kind of go between like finding a good balance of like promotion versus like shitposts. Because yeah, I mean, most people aren't gonna like, unless they really fuck with the band and just wanna get like the information, it's like, oh, who's gonna follow an account that is just announcements. But like also, you need to make sure that the announcements get the attention that they deserve and is not just 100% shitposts too, so it's like. - Yeah, it's an interesting line to walk. That's like what I try to focus on if I ever do that. It's like if I, if we're having like a, the show announcements like, let me make a shitpost, but like make sure the band flyer or the show flyer is into shitposts announcing the show. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - So I try to, try to blend it a little bit, but mostly just whatever the dumbest thing I can think of in the moment and then just send it. - And we also mentioned that like, Paul, you've been writing demos for new stuff forever, but like, are we getting to the point where the rest of you guys are also like, contributing original ideas to like, start songs? Or is it still largely that you're gonna start the basic idea of it and then everybody else kind of comes in later to add their spin to it? - Realistically, it's probably always gonna stay with me like being the first one to kind of create demos and then bring everybody else in a little bit later. This is like a, it's a very, very like personal project to me and I think like, I've said for years the only thing that makes a song a no business song is that I'm the one that wrote it. - Oh, okay. - So it's like, you know, I am always open to hearing stuff and would like to build off of it, but I think realistically just the way that I write and like the specific like vision that I have for things, it's probably always gonna stay is just like me writing stuff and then bringing everybody else into like, fix what I cannot. - Gotcha. - Or just like improve on stuff. Like we had a good course for there here and then Alex was just like, I don't like the leads and then he wrote new leads and he was like, these leads don't match with the old course so that I just wrote a whole new course. - I am, I think for me, Paul is a better songwriter than I am, but I will hear, I will hear what I wanna do over certain parts and I will go, hey, I'm gonna do this and either he'll go rework that or he'll go done and like that's how things like the breakdown and dog might happen or that's how things like the, just like that whole section of dog might that like, I, that he gave me credit for really, that's how that happened. I was like, what if I did this and like, I hear what I wanna play over these parts, but at the end of the day, the whole song is much, Paul's a much better songwriter than I am. Even like, especially in that space, you know? I think my, like, my songwriting is, I'm better, I'm better at like emo core shit. Paul is much, much, much better at all of the no business stuff and that's kind of the distinction there. - Gotcha. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense that like, I mean, if that's kind of how you've been working anyway, I mean, you've been seeing success, so like, why mess with it, right? - Yeah, I'm never gonna go out of my way to just like, broke or break what ain't, - Fixed, ain't broke. - Break what is it, fixed? - Yeah, yeah, I'll break what's, break what's already fixed, whatever it is. I don't know, too many thoughts going on. - If you got something that needs fix it, I'll come over and make it worse. - There we go. - Yeah, hell yeah. - But yeah, you know, it's like, and again, like I said, I've, I love these like, concept albums. I've got like, I've got a very grandiose, kind of ridiculous idea for the next one, already kind of stored in my brain of like, what I want to do and how to connect everything. So it's like, it's a little harder to have other people's like, like, you know, to fit in somebody else's song into like, this vision that I already kind of have, like, laid out of what I wanna do. - Well, especially when you've got the big picture thing, it's a lot harder to fit. - Yeah. - Small, like, if you were a band that just did, like the type of album that's like, here's 10 songs, then that would be a lot easier than if you're trying to do, like, concept albums and stuff like that. It's a lot harder to just fit random ideas into this big grandiose vision of what the project is going to be. - Yeah, I just like, that's not, I, this, like, this EP's kind of the closest I can get to that writing of like, here's a collection of songs. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's just like, I don't, I don't like listening to music like that. Like, I like, it's like kind of, like unless I'm just listening to like a playlist where things change every, like, couple of minutes. Like, I don't like listening to music like that. I like listening to stuff that like, you know, there's like a purpose. You're like, you're on a journey. - Oh, 100%. - Like, I fucking, I think we had joked about like, the autism in the band and stuff like that. But like, that's probably half the reason of it. Like, I was in high school trying to like, write a script to turn a panic at the disco's first album into a musical 'cause I was like, I hear something, it's in there. - I know it's in there. I see the vision and like. - That's crazy. - You know, I was, I was probably just tweaking, but, you know. (laughs) - All right, so I think that this has been a good, first part of the episode so far. Is there anything else that you guys specifically want to mention about the band or about the new project or about anything else that you've got coming up before we move on to the second part of the episode? - Oh, I got no idea when this is, what are you saying? - Stream the new EP. - Yeah, Stream, Snitch, deleted scenes. I've obviously got no idea. - It'll be out by the time this episode comes out. - Yeah, I figured this was probably gonna come out like a little bit after it, but, um, yeah. - Probably a week or two. - If, uh, if it hasn't passed yet and you're in Orlando, we're playing a show on March 14th at the conduit. It's our buddies and lost trees like hometown show. Every single band on that is actually genuinely good. - Very good. - Yeah, go to that shit. - Hell yeah. - I hope to have music from the new project out by the end of this year, but, uh, we'll see how that goes. - I'm sure it won't happen now that I've mentioned it out loud, but, hey man, listen, uh, my hours at work die down at the end of March, so. - Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. So, we'll see what we can do. Maybe that, like, spring break kind of place. We'll try and get things going, but we just gotta see what happens. - All right, perfect. - So, uh, now we're getting to the point of sharing some new tunes together, some fresh finds, if you will. So, I'm gonna have the first one. We're gonna kind of go around. Everybody has two song choices, uh, and, uh, that's gonna, and normally I say, that gives you the closer, but, of course, it would, because there's four of them. - Yeah. - And, anyway. (laughs) So, my first song that I'm gonna play is by a band called Arlen Gunn Club, and they are kind of, like, an indie punk emo band from Cincinnati, Ohio, and, uh, this is from their new EP, which is called An Unbearable Weight, which was released back in January, and this song is called Spinning. - Hmm. (upbeat rock music) ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ ♪ Sitting me falling down ♪ ♪ Laying here, face down on the ground ♪ ♪ Coming up, in and out ♪ ♪ Graying lines out of white's worst sound ♪ ♪ And I wanna see it ♪ ♪ But it's just so hard when I can't ♪ ♪ And it comes back just to remind me when I'm missing out ♪ ♪ Where did she go now this time? ♪ ♪ I've been raging out to find ♪ ♪ Inside, not that ♪ ♪ Nothing's coming out ♪ ♪ Look through me, pass my eyes ♪ ♪ Tell me I'm not passing by ♪ ♪ Grow my hair, let it ♪ ♪ We've been made no shadows out ♪ ♪ But we keep on spinning ♪ ♪ And it's just so hard to tell ♪ ♪ It comes back just to heart me when I'm standing out ♪ ♪ Where it's Jacob now this time ♪ ♪ I've been Rachel to find ♪ ♪ Inside ♪ ♪ Nothing ♪ ♪ Nothing's coming out ♪ - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. So catchy, I love just a good, short, sweet catchy tune. - Yeah, I can dig that. I hope they hear this, they don't take any offense to it. But it reminds me of modern Green Day, but like-- - Oh, yeah. - It reminds me of their newest album, actually. Some of those slower, more, I guess, not really ballad songs, but those-- - I mean, that's the best Green Day shit in the years. - Oh, yeah. - So I mean-- - That's the best shit since-- - I mean, Revolution Radio was pretty good, but like, probably other than that, best shit since 21st century right now. - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah. - I am, it very much, to me, it very much had that, so like a lot of that, a lot of that, like grungy kind of very pre-pop punk-fueled, like that Nirvana and like Bush and like-- - Yeah. - So your era stuff is coming back and like bands like Teenage Ristro bringing that into the mainstream. - That was the vibe I got more than anything else. And the vocals were very co-bein-esque. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh, interesting. I was actually thinking, like, smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan a lot. - Oh, yeah. I heard Billy Joe Armstrong, but like, it's, again, like you can clearly tell where the influences are coming from. - Yeah. - Oh, yeah. It's definitely like that kind of like mid tempo, like, you know, 90s indie rock that's kind of bordering on pop. - Yeah, 20 mids. - Yeah, rocks. - Yeah. I absolutely love the guitar tone, too. Like, like you mentioned, that kind of like, twangy mids type of sound. Like, it's so, feels so classic. And it definitely is, like, coming back and kind of having-- - Yeah, it's like a guitar tone that very much sounds like somebody just, like, shoved a 57 in front of a Marshall amp and was like, I don't know, fucking go for it, bro. - And I kind of love that. I kind of love the-- - Oh, yeah. It's like, it's the antithesis of, like, the hyper-produced, like, you know, almost sterilized, like, type of production that has gotten popular over, like, the past decade. - Yeah, and I'm not gonna sit here and say that, like, we aren't, like, what you could probably consider, like, an overproduced band. Like, you know, we use samples on the drums. We, like, you know, everything's very cleanly mixed by Alex. There's a lot of sense, but, like, I still try to keep that, like, kind of gross sounding guitar and bass tones to kind of still be, like, we're still a little dirty. It might sound clean, but, like, we're still, you know. - Yeah, but yeah, I mean-- I mean, even just going with, like, you know, trying to do as much of, like, a one-take thing as you can, instead of, like, doing, like, a million, like, takes and comping it, so it's perfect, you know. - Yeah, like, if these guys got with, like, Will Yip, who does, like, Citizen, and, like-- He's actually done code orange funny enough. But, like, his whole style is that he, like, he just takes whatever the hell you have and just mixes that. He's, like, cool. We're gonna get the best stuff out of your stuff, 'cause that's what you sound like, and that's what we're gonna do. And, like, if these guys already sound that good, like, doing that, like, I think that would be, like, a-- That'd be a good fit. I'm a bit-- I nerd out a little bit about production, not, like, a ton, but, like, he's one of those-- - I'm a big production there, I guess. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is, like I said, from their most recent EP, which came out at the end of last month. Five songs, this is the closing track, and it's the first new music that they've released since their self-titled album, which came out in June of 2022. So it's been a little while since they've released anything, but I think that this was worth the wait. - Oh, so this is, like, brand new. - Yeah, yeah, I think. - Oh, yeah. - Both of my picks are from 2025, so they're, like, in the last month. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. - But I'm also trying to, you know, stay relevant in whatever. - Yeah, absolutely. - So what do we have up next? Who wants to go next? - Anybody got anything picked out? I'm kind of trying to decide what I want to do. Again, I've got my long ass list of all the people that I wanted to, like, shout out. - Well, it's a bit of a really long listen, but I have another one in mind. - We can do that other one if you want. I don't mind a long song. - I haven't queued. It's a band I found on tour with Heavy Hitter this past month. We were on the road with 156 Silence out of Pittsburgh, and, oh, yeah, also, people watching by 156 Silence. If nobody's listening to that, get on that ASAP. - For the best records. - I was gonna say, I'm literally saving this to my library. - It is, it is massive. - It is one of the best, like, just straight-up medical albums. I've heard in so long. - Yeah, so good. - It's so nice. - So, Eric, as far as Ryan, we share way more similar tastes in music than I anticipated. - He likes really fucked up, like, heavy music, much like I do. And he showed me this band out of L.A. called Black Sheep Wall. That's like very noisy dissonant kind of stuff and it's very reminiscent of, or not reminiscent. It carries similarities of a band from the UK. I also like called Conjurer. - Yeah. - The song is called Mr.-- - I feel like I've heard that name. - Conjurer is sick. It's like super, it's a little bit like blackened, like hardcore influence, like, noise heaviness. It's just crazy, dark stuff. But Mr. Gone is practically like an American rendition of the same band. Just super heavy, really like Doom-ish. They have a lot of Doom-like passages and stuff like that that I really mess with. - Oh, sick. - Yeah, super sick stuff. - Josh, I love Black Sheep Wall. - I've gotten into a little bit of, like, almost like, blackened, Doom-type stuff recently. It's a super cool vibe. - Hey, didn't you like Black Sheep Wall? - Yeah, dude. I fucking love Black Sheep Wall. - Oh, man. One of my buddies worked out in the film industry in LA and a few years back, he messaged me, it was like, "You need to check this band out." And that's a band that, like, I have fun. Like, I didn't think anybody would like it, so I haven't shared it. But now that I know you, like, blackened shit. Oh, yeah, it's on. - Noona, it's been an earworm like crazy stuff. - I swear, God. - They're so good. - Hell yeah. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ Bosearch, Kime, Bosearch, Tito, Corsair, Mane. Here to the side, sweet, the darken eyes, drink out colds in the dark sky. Just a minute ago, it's the body that makes the whole world, the darks and ferns are all sick to the broad. Come to your choice, come play in a furshield, but I need a portion that's not made for you to miss you. Just a minute ago, it's the body that makes the whole world, the darken eyes, drink out colds in the dark sky. It's the body that makes the whole world, the darken eyes, drink out colds in the dark sky. That song is like 90% built up, and that's what speaks to me so loudly about it. That's what speaks to me so loudly about it, and that's what speaks to me so loudly about it, and that's what speaks to me so loudly about it, and that's what speaks to me so loudly about it. The middle section, too, one of the things that I thought was crazy, was that there was the vocals, the lyrics, and then there was another recording of somebody talking or something like that underneath it. It kind of reminded me of like the end of, I think it's, I can't remember if it's one of the songs at the end of Lateralis or 10,000 days, where it's like they're just like in a psychiatric ward or whatever, and that's like what the whole song is, is just like the, the babbling of like a mental patient or whatever, from, from tool, like that's kind of what it reminded me of. It was crazy. Yeah, I had to check like all my fucking Google Chrome tabs and be like, is that the song? I love the dissonance man. Yeah, dude, just the guitars running throughout the whole thing, like gives a newfound anxiety or something through it. Well, and they're just doing that like minor second, like fucking like low panic cord type of thing, basically. the entire time so it's just so dissonant and so like it doesn't it there's no relent it doesn't relent it doesn't let up it's just like this entire thing you're just like it's edging you the whole time basically oh yeah oh yeah I also thought it was kind of funny my I had like a weird like glitch right when the first like breakdown happened so it was like I heard like the first half of the black and then it like cut out for me okay I got the idea of it anyway so who wants to go next I will go next I have two songs and I'm sorry if I'm stealing because I didn't know if Paul won't do the same thing but we had mentioned earlier we have an Orlando show coming up and I do want to shout out our boy Johnny I do want to play so lostries put out an album last year I know they're a local Orlando band and yeah it's so good because for a while lostries I think was trying to do the era core thing were like they were very very metal core focused and I think Johnny you can tell even from like their earlier stuff that's not necessarily what he was like super comfortable writing the opening track on the album is called pedal dance I do think it is my favorite lostries song because it is so very it feels like something he wrote from a place like from a very again like back to that organic just from a very organic place like it feels like he's actually letting out it's it feels like he's sweating out of fever through like his expression in that song I also just want to shout them out because I fucking love lostries they were the first local Orlando band I found because they found me on Twitter so yeah I'm gonna go ahead and do that I love this song I held heaven in my hands on wanting a lifetime chance I tried not to let it collapse but it's who I am I'm gonna die so you can live instead I am the loveliest in the earth In dissonance we dance when you take me by the hand I feel the world stop turning I held heaven in my hands on wanting a lifetime chance I tried not to let it collapse but it's who I am You're the flowers in the spring but I'm the reason they're falling all the seasons I'm gonna die so you can live instead I am the loveliest in the earth The vibe of that song just like injected into my veins yeah it is it's I love that it's like using or invent anime like that's what the vibe is it's just invent anime yeah it's invent anime worship that's I'm so into that like heavy pop kind of sound like that that's kind of what I've started to call that stuff because I feel like there's been like the splintering off of metal core into like kind of a more pop direction in like the last couple of years and so I've just been calling it like heavy pop basically but like I absolutely love that yeah and like I said it when I heard that I was like oh oh he found it like he found what he wanted to write like they all found what they wanted to write because it comes through in that whole album that song specifically and I think starting the album with that song was a good choice because it like it makes a statement it's like this is what we are now oh heartedly agree I think like gent gent for me is defined by like those like kick pattern breakdowns that's like the only thing I ever want in like truly good gent and that song upon like the the record dropping was like ended up being like my absolute shit so funny enough I I'm the drummer in the music video for their other single it's called the earth from the lead single for that record called kaleidoscope oh yeah I'm the drummer in the music video for it and I love that song so much I thought it was a real challenge to learn until like I got in the studio and played the song with him and he showed me the nuances and he was like dude like you're way more like note to note than any other drummer that like you like have a really serious attention to detail with this kind of stuff I was very glad to get that compliment from because he he writes some of the best drum parts he writes the best drum parts in all of Florida for for metal core by a long mile especially like the linear groove in the like the second verse is like beyond me what I'm glad you brought up that second verse I love that kind of drum groups yeah I'm glad you brought up that second verse because like that oh yeah that's what it was I also feel like the thing that I really like to is that this as opposed to like a lot of other stuff that kind of does that like heavy pop metal core type of thing is that the electronic elements the synths and things sound very like early 2010s to me which is really which is which is really interesting because like a lot of it is kind of like a lot of other bands in that genre kind of stick to like more modern kind of like pop tendencies whereas this almost reminded me of like lights by Ellie Golding or something like that like like like I just it's such an interesting vibe having like that kind of older style pop production as opposed to like the more modern kind of sound well and it it it's Bill Murray's doing that right like it's it's showing that you can be part of the scene you can have the genre and you can throw other sensibilities in there that the Kalistau boys just put out two songs that like have pop sensibilities with their math core and it like there people are proving that like you can do that what songs you can and you people are proving you can do that without being just like producer core and like I think that's great you know like you can do that with it with actual emotion and feeling and I love that because I shamelessly love pop music oh yeah well and I think personally that's like a big thing like to me I feel like if I hear somebody who's like oh I only listen to metal I only listen to you know hardcore whatever and they can't admit that they like at least one like Katy Perry song or something like I mean come on like there's so much that you can learn from good pop song structure and good like pop production that you can put into any style of music that you want a thousand percent oh yeah I've said for years the people who the people who refuse to listen to anything other than the genre they play and the people who refuse to learn any kind of music theory are the two groups of people who make the worst fucking music I'll say that fucking shamelessly honestly for the most part I think you're I was like I was gonna say like people want to be like oh don't learn music theory dude you're already using theory if your song sounds good you are using music theory like if you weren't it would sound bad but like shout out music yeah my dog and then like you know you get the pulling so much else from other shit like again you've you've heard what we sound like my favorite band of all time is fallout boy like it's jet come on like pull in other shit we've heard the same tired metal core so many times and that's why I love bands like cows down boys Johnny Booth Bill Murray people who are doing shit that's different like I've heard chug a chug a breakdown undertow 50 million times tired of it do something to check break that undertow amen brother yeah like two guys of like four or five years ago I wouldn't even think about like wanting to listen to rap or any kind of like indie pop or anything like that only within like the last three years I like started branching out into listening to other stuff. I will Like 90% of what I listen to is still heavy music like I just love heavy music I just it's just a just a love for the game. Oh, yeah, okay, but Me now would pale in comparison to how much more diverse my taste in music is gone like I'm loving I'm loving Ethel Kane. I found this like indie pop artist named Samia like last year And I was like my most streamed artist. Oh, yes. She has some amazing stuff. Yeah, bro Dude, she drops a new record in like May or April and I'm so excited. Oh really. That's that's that's news to me I'm gonna check that out. Oh, yeah, like finding stuff like that was just so out of the blue I think it was like I think Ethel Kane was the real like difference maker either that or like my brothers Because they they listen to more rap and like they would show me various rappers like money bag yo or like Bryce and Taylor like when I was in high school and stuff like that or what's a what's his what's his guys name from from Jacksonville? Bigs uh fucking Damn boss Mandilo like I look I like occasionally like rap quite a bit now But that wasn't a thing. I was at all interested in all I cared about was breakdowns and marsh parts Although that's still kind of a thing. I really love more than anything else like pulling in I like Pull in flu influence or ideas from like track beats and stuff like that I think it's getting cool to be a music nerd who appreciates music for music sake as opposed to being somebody who's like I listen to rap I listen to metal. I listen to you know, whatever and I attribute that so much to kind of being in like the internet age There's just been so much like exchange of ideas between genres and stuff. Yeah Yeah, I'll agree and also kind of going back to your like music theory thing about like oh, I don't want to learn music theory Like there's so many people who will say that but still know like what a G chord is and it's like you that's That's music theory. Yeah, I think my my favorite thing that somebody said about it is that it's descriptive and not Perscriptive. Yeah, so it shows you it tells you what people are doing not what you need to do Yeah, like the way I the way I learned it um my fucking bass teacher basically was like okay So first we're gonna learn all of the rules the rules of music theory and then you're gonna learn how to break them Because shit doesn't get fun until you start breaking the rules in a way that makes sense I was like yeah, and like you know We have some of those songs like our song fall is not in any kind of key and it's been a nightmare trying to figure out the vocal Lights for that song live because like sounds fine on record. I have no idea what I'm singing on that Because it's like a very uh, I think it's technically you could call it diminished But like I think that's the closest thing it has to a scale So there's no scale. There's no like key to it or anything and like trying to figure that out But like it works because it's supposed to be this like dark verboding sounding song. Yeah, don't know why the fuck I threw clean vocals into that But you know it works somehow I had somehow glad we're bringing it back. Oh, yeah, hell yeah That's what's up. All right, so what do we have up next Nick? You want to go? Yeah, I got one. Um, so yeah, kind of in the little bit of breaking What's going on here? I'm very similar Josh. I like just dumb heavy shit stuff that melts your face kind of music But this band they're called with blood comes cleansing. They they're last album they put out was in 2008 and they just dropped a new Record on what and it rips. It's so good. Um, so this song though was definitely my favorite off of the the new album and yeah, so some deathcore , but I love you was free for the sake of Jesus me Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah You know the world's all over the world, but I don't like the agonizing torture, worst than what's done to my heart The source gets a light, they say it's a soul And we'll live with this world And we'll live with this world The proper goal of the game For the glory of the world I will shoot, live the game, I'll do more Hope and joy, spreading the future I'll shoot, live the game, I'll do more Hope and joy, for the glory of the world I'll shoot, live the game, I'll do more The proper goal of the game For the glory of the world I'll shoot, live the game I'll shoot, live the game metal core. Like, I think I was the first one of my friends to adopt kill, switch, engage. And like, 36 crazy fists and all those. And then job with the cowboy came out. And I remember there were two camps. There were people who, like, fucking loved it. And like, they had, like, the swoopy hair and they wore Tom shoes and they were, they were basically, like, the darker versions of, like, the attack attack kids. Um, and then you had people who just made fun of it. And what I love is that Slam is a genre of music that looped back around. It was like, they're making fun of it by making these noises and doing these things. Let's make that into actual music. And now you have Slam, which like is you, they, they proven like, you cannot make fun of us. We took old school, like, pig squealing death core. And we made it into just something funny and fun. And everyone loves it. And you cannot make fun of us because we're kicking ass. And I love that. That's so good. Mm hmm. One of the things that I do like about this kind of, like, almost throwback death core type of style is that it, there's a bit more variance. I feel like in the vocal styles that they do, then like, a lot of modern death core, it feels like everybody's kind of trying to do the, like, lorna shore thing. And you're not getting nearly as much, like, different people experimenting with, like, how they use their voice. It feels like it's kind of gotten a little bit more, like, homogenized. Yeah. And I like how varied it is throughout this song. Yeah. And peeling flesh and, like, the little, like, like, now I have to listen to with blood comes cleansing because, like, all those bands what they're doing is like, what would sound best right here? Would it sound best for my pig squeal? Or would it sound best for my to screech like a banshee? And like, that's literally the only thought they put into it. I love that. Like genuinely loved that. 100%. This is just, again, ridiculously heavy. Like, I say that sometimes, and I feel like people, like, don't take it as a compliment. But sometimes I'm like, yeah, this was so heavy that I just started laughing. Like that, that's it. It was just, like, just so ridiculous that that's the only, like, response, yeah. That's the only thing needs to be. Josh is in his car. Yeah. I'm going to be driving in the podcast at the same time. Oh, yeah. All right. So my next song, I've got to, I've got to choose your own adventure for you guys. Oh boy. So I chose three songs initially. So I have to cut one. So do we want to stay heavy and do, like, crazy hardcore band? Or do we want to do a little bit of a palette cleanser and do, like, an indie rock thing? Oh, man. I say hardcore. Yeah. I say hardcore as well. All right. Hell yeah. So this is a band that I found just the other day they released their project literally, yeah, they released this three days ago. And it's a single. A single with two songs on it, which is a little confusing. But it was literally, like, I think there was just a quick little stereo gum article about this project or something. And this band is called Volcano. Oh my god. They are from Ohio. Oh, all right. All right. We, somebody knows what I'm talking about. Yeah. I know. I know all about this. This is the first of those two singles on this, like, A side B side thing. This song is called The Oater. This is the Oater. Ohio beat down, bro. (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) (Music) Nihau, asa, ka, po, sa, na, sa, To you, I, feel the heart, feel the pain Don't expect me, I, feel you change to me Then come right to the back, I just think I can feel it, I know that I want to feel anything I will To you, to you, to you, to you To you, to you, to you, to you I've been created, I do, it's my father's son I know, I know, which is his wife I know, which is his wife I know, which is his wife I know, which is his wife I know, which is his wife So, when I was first getting into this kind of music I was first getting into this kind of music It's so good and it's sweet boys I really love them It's nice dudes Is this their first full-length project? Is this their first full-length project? I think they've been playing for about three years Josh has all the information on everybody, apparently Josh has all the information on everybody Josh has all the information on everybody Josh has all the information on everyone Josh has all the information on everybody I'm writing from the sunny one I'm not a friend of the brown I'm not a friend of the brown I'm not a friend of the brown [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> Yeah. Straight Hayden Corps. >> I was going to say, listening to it, I was like, okay, so this vocalist just sounds almost exactly like Vic Fuente's. >> I think we lost Josh again. >> The thousand yards there. >> His video is giving out. >> Yeah, that ripped. >> I feel like the name of the band reminds me of the 2008 under oath album. >> I don't know if there's any relation. >> Just about to say that when I looked it up. >> Yeah, I don't know if there's any relation, but I mean, it would make sense if there is. >> One of the things that I thought was really cool about it, though, was that intro, acoustic instrument, I don't know exactly what it was. But it kind of sounded like, I don't know the name of it. But it's like that three string guitar-like instrument that I think is from Japan that they play with basically a paddle or something like that. >> That is a shame. >> You know what I'm talking about? >> I was going to say, yeah, it sounds like a shame. >> It's a shame. >> It's a shame, isn't it? >> Yeah, yeah, okay. Because that's what it sounds like to me. And I absolutely love that they use that. It sounds so cool. >> I actually think it's just like a clean lead. >> I'm not sure. >> There's something about the tone of the attack that leads me to think that it's something else and not a guitar. Or the way that it resonates just is different. I don't know. I think it's really cool, though. >> Mm-hmm. >> Yeah. >> And when did this project come out this 2022? >> Yeah. >> It looks cool. >> Like they dropped last year called Sabre Tooth and a new single they dropped like a few days ago. It's not recently. >> Mm-hmm. >> Yeah, I was going to say February 7th is when they dropped their most recent style of last year. >> Yeah, last year. >> Which is what I thought you were going to play. >> No, no. >> Just having heard that song live waking misery. I was like, dude, this shit almost brought me to tears yesterday. I've seen the band play. But like the performance they had on Friday was like way better than the first. I'd say it was just nuts. It was great. >> And where are these guys from? >> They're from Dallas, Texas. They're on tour with Bordeaux. >> Uh. >> They're on tour with Bordeaux, Cyrus. >> Yeah. >> I remember sharing that earlier. >> Yeah. >> Poor Josh. >> No, that's absolutely crazy. Josh, we'll pour one out. >> All right, kids, with a boy. >> God. >> But no, that was crazy. That was really good. >> So good. >> Yeah. >> We want to get Nick's rolling. >> Yeah, let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> Yeah. >> I was real shocked, but I haven't even gone with the slam theme that I had. I saw these guys back in September. This is snuffed on site. They have a song with featuring 200 stab wounds, which is like a death metal band. Like kind of those two school death metal bands. This song live was so fucking crazy. It's a little bit older. They're working on new stuff right now, but they kick ass. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] three, four. And then you finally get to the fucking blast beat shit. Yeah, and it's like even like when they get like the base kicking on it too. Like it's just such a long intro like it's they do like drown it out in the beginning and then like it's still drown out but they were like slowly adding each instrument into it right before they just kick everything off at the same time. It's I love it. Yeah, that was insane. You said that they are still putting out, oh yeah, they put out an album in 2023. Yeah, yeah. So they're working on stuff now. They've been on they've been on a few podcasts. They've been talking about some of the new stuff they're working on. Then in peeling flesh are really tight. They have a few songs together and they like kind of like are working with each other on something. If I'm not mistaken it's they have they have two songs that they do together but a lot of times when they tore they tore together and I know like they both have helped each other out with like how much they've exploded. Recently like peeling flesh really helped out stuff and so I could get brought up on the scene. So I know they they collaborate a lot on stuff that they're working on. So it's always just a good time with them. Like again, it's like kind of the thing of like it doesn't need to be anything super like specific and special. It's just dumb heavy fun. Like you can have it. Like I've even seen it like more hardcore stuff like the other song I was really debating on putting there is a corn fed by Big ash. Heavy song that's just incredible. Big ash truck is incredible. They are dumb ignorant. I can beat down as you can get but fantastic fantastic band. I also always love when band when kind of bands are friends and they're just always like the two of them are just like hyping each other's stuff up and like do collaborations a lot and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. No. There's there is a cool live set of stuff on site that I saw where the they were they were doing they're going to play the song that features peeling flesh and the guy was like if you can do the vocal style of the the vocalist of peeling flesh like please come up and like rip this song for us because we can't do it like they just like we were not even gonna try. Like if one of you can like do it for us so like it's just like like that and get on them for no in their limits. Yeah. Yeah. I also find it amusing when people are invited to mic grab. There's something very funny about it being like a plan like that but love it. Alright so Paul has the the final track of the afternoon. Yeah. Final track maybe the the best name of a track that we have all day but this is okay. This is by our friends in a band called second impact. We played their EP release show last year. They're just a bunch of really fucking cool people. Yeah. And like they like we were like both like geeking out over each other after the set. They were just like almost like because they were like oh we love that you guys like switch styles in the middle of it and I was like I'm so glad that y'all don't just play straight up hardcore although I think that's what this song is. But anyways this one's called I'm going to kill you I have a gun by second impact. It's it's just my favorite from them. All I see is red. I see through. I see shame. I see a traitor. I'm mistake. I see. I see a traitor. I see a traitor. I see a traitor. I see a traitor. I see a traitor. Fuck yeah. You're goddamn right. It's pure rage baby. It's so good. Y'all evil. Her vocal style is so fucking good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. She um she was really great. I always I always. Oh go ahead. I mean that's awesome. Say she was really great. They were really cool. I'm gonna correct real quick and say they I'm pretty sure I don't fully remember but I do believe they go by they them. Gotcha. I apologize. Okay good to know. But I always love more of an effeminate vocal style in like hardcore music because you don't come across it quite as much. So when you get that higher register there's just something so different about it that I think is super cool. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And they do it incredibly like I love that like you know you have that like little intersection and then you have like this like quieter like tension building section and like like that band just they do a great job of tension and release and just write good songs and then like that out the the last like breakdown is just not so shit. Yeah. I was I was gonna say um kind of to to your point Ryan about that effeminate voice just in the hardcore scene. Oh yeah. We'll never forget. We went to heavy hitter had a their EP release. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I even went there two ago and there's two bands there. Lilith the Mise who they did a cover of Intubent of a Machine by job for a cowboy which went hardest shit. And then this other band and they were they were great too. And that they did an amazing show. And then like I think there's a band who after that was this band called Slamwich which was like a slamming a slam band with the female lead. You know I'm not sure if pronounce all that but regardless they like and you would take one look I'm like they look like they don't do like slam and they just writ so fucking hard on stage. They were both of them were awesome but it's just crazy such a unique thing to see when you do see it. Yeah also just that break and then the gun cock like yeah. I mean at this point you're practically getting into theater basically. Like this is not just a song. This is a performance and you have these bits. Yeah. And I love that shit in music. Like I love music that like it tells a story like that. Like you've got little bits or like you know maybe there's just like some like offside conversation or something that happens in between shit or who even knows. But yeah like any of that that like tells something more than just I wrote a song about my feelings like you it's just like oh I can really see like the story unfolding within this now. I wrote a song. Yeah I think it's just so better. Oh okay. Okay. And on that note. Yeah. Let's say listen we can we're talking about fresh finds not you know one of the biggest rightfully so biggest bands in the scene right now. It has been crazy seeing like just their rise over the past couple of years. I'm going from like just having a viral moment on TikTok that was largely how like probably most of the people who didn't know about them before know about them now. Yeah. And then just seeing them getting to the point of playing like all these huge festivals and if I can Jimmy Kimmel and show you. Yeah. And for a song that sounds like that to get nominated for a Grammy is so fucking sick. Like it's you can actually watch the Grammys this year. And like they did a whole thing where they were talking about like yeah we've brought on a shitload of new like people to actually vote on this. And we've expanded like the academy. And it does show with like the nominations and who they're picking to win these awards now. Like I feel like it is a much better representation of like the state of music. And it's not these crusty old dudes who haven't actually produced a song in 20 years picking all this anymore. Yeah. No, I 100% agree because it's so annoying how for like the longest time it's like oh the best metal metal category is basically it's the metal like cool. Yeah. Best rock best rock performance every year is going to be like the food fighters or whoever the hell. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that like the gogera nomination was really good. Especially when the Olympics were good. Yeah. Yeah. The Olympics was insane. Like it had every right to win it. Like. Oh yeah. Like an competition. Yeah. And like the and like the other bands like not loose and spirit box both were just like well obviously we wanted to win. But if we were going to lose we're really glad we lost the gogera. Yeah. Because like that shit was insane. The biggest performance on the international stage. I mean started a satanic pan. Yeah. I know that I was going to say that too. It's like they brought the satanic panic back for a little while. I didn't have the lasting power because it was only one performance. Yeah. Because it's just you know people getting on Twitter to bitch about it for 20 minutes and nothing actually comes of the satanic panic anymore. Yeah. We don't have any attention span anymore. Yeah. Nobody does. I sure should. All right. This has been a good episode. guys, is there anything that you want to mention one last time before we sign off anything about the band, anything about upcoming shows, anything about the project, just any last words before we sign off? I think obviously you know stream-stitch deleted scenes. We worked really really hard on it. I'm very happy with how everything turned out and I love that it's like a full band effort now and like everybody got to play their part on it. So I think it's really good. I think it fucking rocks and there's definitely like, I hate to do the fucking stereotypical thing, but there is actually something for everybody on there. We play a lot of different styles. As far as shows we've got one in March. I'm trying to put a little something together for like early to mid summer. Maybe a little run around the state. I don't know. I got to see what everybody's schedules look like and what we can actually get away with, but I want to put something together to like really celebrate like the end of this like, like the end of the snitch story. You know, like we've put out the B sides from it. I would love at least to do a Orlando show where like we play everything, but I also would like to play around Florida a little bit because we really haven't played anywhere outside of Orlando and like Daytona a few times. So yeah, that would definitely be cool to get to go around a little bit more. Yeah, so you know, hopefully we'll be seeing y'all soon. If you don't live in Orlando, if you do live in Orlando, we better be seeing you soon. At that lost tree show on the 14th because that's going to be fucking amazing. So first question to kiss the guy. Brue. All right. I go false. I'd excited to have the music out. Crowd killing is a form of moshing. I defend that shit. Pushpits are dumb. And you know, show off support local bands and you know, keep doing cool shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My loudest shout out bands that I didn't get to show off. Yeah, 100%. All right, cool. Shout out to Granite State. Shout out to Delilah. Shout out to Heavy Hitter. Shout out to Bedroom Floor. Shout out to Thurr. Shout out to KnifeLighter. Shout out to Ingloum. Palses with sales ahead. Cheam mode. Cheedorey. Now we're so many fucking good bands. Just like, you know, skim through that. Just look through fucking show flyers and stuff. Listen to people. Even if they suck, at least you gave it a chance. 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