French Montana & Max B: The Current Wave

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And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Usually, when he don't like a record, his favorite line is. I come back and do that? Nah, nah. That sound like a real fly French record. Other than music, what else keeps y'all, like, brotherhood or y'all bond so close? I just came and never left. So, at any moment, you know what I'm saying, I was going to get deported if I got caught. Have you changed anything about your life since coming home? So, what matters more, like the industry love or the street love? Don't forget the algorithm. Yeah. That's what matters more than anything else. Thank you, in a sense. We don't see you here. That's amazing, brother. Most niggas wouldn't do that. That's your brother. Hell yeah. I'm just doing what a brother's supposed to do, man. It's supposed to be normal for us out here. But it's such a disaster in this world that it doesn't even seem normal because of just the way it is, you know. But, you know, I was brought up the right way, I guess. You know, and my brother need everything he missed out on. So this run is very important for him, for us. And just like we started something before he got locked up. And it felt like it didn't get snatched away from us, but it got delayed for whatever reason, only the creator knows. You know what I'm saying? So now we're just finishing off where we started. That's tough. You used a tough word, though. You said resources. It's like sometimes dudes coming home, it's easy to give a dude, you know what I'm saying, a handful of money or a bulk of money. But sometimes that don't be what he really needs. Sometimes you got to bring a nigga to the well, you know what I'm saying? You got to show him how to make. You got to show him how to fish so he could fish and take it for you. So that's kind of how, like, you know what I'm saying, when you said resources, I kind of thought that was a deep word. That's kind of how, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because most people come home and it's like, we're going to throw a chain on your neck, we're going to take these photos in this fucking sprinter. We're going to eat, we're going to be in the club for one night, and I will be back to my normal life tomorrow, nigga. I feel like, I feel like people always have an idea of what a rapper, what everybody should do when they come home. Like, they all have a pre-notion for you of, like, he better, he should do this, he should do that. That's going to make his career go. Did you have those goals or same things for yourself? And then, do you feel like since, you know, being released that you've accomplished those goals? I mean, me, I'm just a, I'm just me, man. It don't even matter. Trust me, we could be in a whole nother lifetime, I could come out of jail and do the same thing over 50,000 times. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just, I'm just Rambo, man. I'm going to come out and do what it do. The only premeditation. The only dedicated plan was that I was going to come out and work and stay consistent. Everything else, going forward could come. Once I make some bread, you already know I'm fresh. You already know I'm a finagle to bagel. Get some diamonds. I drive a Maybach. We good. I'm outside. I don't think I have to sell money. We outside. Nice crib with my brother. He's doing it big. You already know he got all the type of bread and steak going on. Yeah, we working. I love it, bro. Resources. Resources. That's real. That's real. I feel like that is the answer. Like you just said, my brother's just there 28 years. He just got home. Resources. And to me, yeah, it's all about you. I could drop bread in your pocket. You don't even know what to do. He can't hold that number one head, though. Nigga, that's way different. That's way crazy. That's intangible. That's bringing to the well. That's something like, all right, we're going to go into the wet, go into the stool. Records, residuals, royalties, all that shit should be down to the family. All that shit that stay here forever. But that's what I mean. That's better than, yo, here, here go 50,000, go 100,000. That's cool, too. Don't get me wrong. But it's about the long ball. You feel me? It's about the long haul. So that's kind of like where we stand at. We on long haul time. What was the simplest thing you missed while you sat? Just being with the bros. Being with the family. Regular fool. McDonald's. PlayStation. It's Maggie Day. What was the last Maddie you played before you came back? Nine. Damn. I'm nice, though. I'm online. I'm lit. I'm a gamer. I got everything set up. My word. Yeah, I'm about to make a whole room. I'm about to make the doom room. Cameras everywhere. Game. System. I'm involved, B. Got the headphones. I'm online. Twitch. Got the headphones. I love it. I'm on Twitch. I'm on TikTok. Wait, wait. Look at my slavish money. It's the cameras. Live streaming. Come on, get with me, man. Meaning, like, obviously, like, before you were home, but, like, what is. I'm a pedestrian now. In what way? I'm just a civilian, my dude. Like, I'm on. I go to parole. Like, a lot of shit I don't be doing. I don't be drugging. I used to be wilding out here, my dude. Oh, you've been sober since you came home. I ain't sober. I drink and smoke. I tap it a little bit on the sip-sip drink. But. The hard shit? Nah, ain't nothing going on. I'm focused, my nigga. I can drive an automobile. No matter what? If I want to. Like that. I wasn't driving. Like, I was crashing my shit up, bugging out. What's it like driving now if you didn't drive for so long? Like. I really don't be. I don't want to drive. It feel good not to drive. I like to just chill in the backseat. You want to use your phone. Roll up, use my phone. The way we're addicted to these phones, we don't want to drive. I love looking at the internet. I love looking at Instagram crazy ass. Instagram so fucking crazy. I don't know. That's my shit. That's my shit. That's my shit. You're not watching TV. You're not watching a movie. I got like six fake pages. I don't know why you got business already. I be hitched, trolling, climbing. I'm like, yeah. I love to hate. I be like, yo, this nigga's wild. He said some crazy shit about me. Look. I be on it, man. I be seeing them comment back. I be crying. You forgot that's a real pain, nigga. With Kevin Durant on there. He cannot be driving. Last time I drove, a old lady cursed my ass out. She almost ran into me. This is my last time driving. Hell yeah. I ain't driving nothing. Hell no. You love driving. I do love driving. I hate driving like y'all. It's not. Okay, wait, wait. I won't say I love driving. What it is, I love being in control. I love. I hate when I'm in a car. I'll make a side wheel. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like this. When I hate being in a car with a driver, I'm like being driven or Uber or whatever, and there's a lane that's open and they behind the car because it's like, I would have got over to the lane that was open. They don't drive like you. It's shit like that. That's what it is. If I got to drive, I feel like that's a lot of time I'm wasting. I'm not taking care of business. I agree. Somebody told me that one time. They said, all the work I do on my phone while you're driving, he was like, I'm twice as efficient. And I was like, well, I don't have no emails to really answer, so technically, we're doing the same boat. That nigga was rich. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was right. He was right. That's definitely a good point because a lot of time we spend in the car, we definitely be on a lot of business to get done in the car. You ain't going to do shit driving. That's what I'm saying. But you don't want to drive out here. Back to the car is your office, bro. Yeah, true. Back to the car is your office. You're making all your runs all day. That's your office. I feel like, French, you went from out here, at least you went from the DVDs then to being a mainstay on radio, then having street hits to then pop hits. What has it been like for you, or how do you approach constantly evolving or reinventing yourself constantly throughout your career? I watched The Greats. I watched the people that had longevity in the game. I watched the people that did a lot of things that had a lot of moral behind it, a lot of respect behind it, but still never got the credit because you don't get no awards for that. And understanding that you're going to have to be in them shoes and you have to keep working and working and nobody going to give you flowers until you're not here. That's valid, brother. That's facts, yeah. What you going to do about it? Damn, bro. I didn't think about it like that. I guess because, like, you've had a career that, yeah, has spanned over so many genres and you've always, like, every two years, French got a song that is. Smash. Bro? That is club. Like, you get to the club, you're like, there's four French songs playing no matter what night you're out, but it's always going to be one that's going to make New York turn upside down. And then L.A., bro, like, you know, you was in L.A. a minute. Yeah. Every night I went to the club, brother, I was playing French all night. It's just, bro, I. You got the ones. You got the ones. Boy. When you're approaching records like that, do you think you feel like you approach them, not, like, I don't want to say as an A&R, but as a producer? Like, I feel like you do a really good job of, like, putting together your sound and your music. Like, do you approach it like that or are you approaching it more as an artist first? Or do you approach it. I think the other side of it feels like you're approaching it more as a businessman, and to me that is very important in the music business, too. Yeah. I approach it as a fan and I approach it as a feeling. I approach it as a fan, I approach it as a feeling. If I don't get a certain rush from it, I don't think it's something that I would want. Because I'm not. If you deny something that I put out, if I don't feel strongly about that sound that I put out, I'm going to start feeling like you little by little. Like, okay. But if I put out some shit that's like, I know what that is, it don't matter what you say. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. What type of ears you got? This is it. You got to feel like that, too. So I try to feel like that by everything. I try to feel like that by everything that I put out. What did you guys grow up listening to in your households? Like, at home, what was the music? Because you being from Morocco, was it a different language? Me, I listened to, like, Algerian artists. I listened to African artists. I listened to Gypsy Kings. That's, like, you know, Spain artists. I listened to worldwide music. Like, when I was listening to music, I didn't even understand what they were saying. It wasn't until years after when I finally. Like, I was listening to Ambition of a Rider the whole all eyes on me before I even knew what Tupac was saying. So you are kind of like Max Martin, who didn't speak English first and then understood how melodies worked. Yeah, but that's how Max Martin can make so many hits because we listen from people that don't even understand what y'all saying. So when I'm in their shoes now, I know what people want to hear that don't know how to speak English. Americans just got comfortable listening to people who don't know what they're saying in the past, like, three years. Oh, yeah, yeah, they do. Yeah. What about you? What'd you grow up listening to in the house? Um, shit, I don't like classic R&B, old school. Luther, Frankie Beverly, all that 80s, Alexander O'Neal and. - 'Cause you were an R&B influence, too, throughout a lot of shit. - I listen to everything, I don't even listen to music, I absorb music, I don't even, like, it gotta come to me. It gotta, like, he say he in a rush, like, that shit gotta go all the way, I gotta be able to live with that shit forever. I gotta be able to hear that one beat, why can't I listen to this beat for 30 years? I'm talking about just listen to it, and that's how great, that's how much I gotta love it. That's usually how I do, you know, my process, but the songs that I grew up off of, they still classic to this day, so that's kind of the process. All them great songs from back in the days, they still good now, if you listen to 'em now, you still sing 'em, so that's kind of how you pick the beat, you know what I'm saying? - My dad used to say this shit growing up, he used to be like, "What y'all gonna call classics when y'all get old?" 'Cause, like, you know what I mean? Music back in the day did have a certain-- - Had a feel. - Sonically, a certain feel to it. And I do wonder those things, like today, I'd be like, damn, are people creating classics today, or are people trying to create quickly, in terms of-- - Nah, it's definitely that. It's definitely quickly, and it's a lot of back then, it wasn't a lot of filter, it was just, like, raw voices, you know what I'm saying, a little bit of mix, you know what I'm saying? - Mm-hmm. - It wasn't no computer, no-- - There was no detail, the details weren't dialed in. - No reverb like that, no, it was just a voice going in there, hitting the vocals, and now it's a lot of, you know what I'm saying, so that take away from the feel of it. And music all about the feel. - Yeah. - That's, like, the main thing, it's about the feel, it's how it make you feel good, you know what I'm saying? - Mm-hmm, that's right. - The feel of it, the feeling of it. - That's what people listen to when they go work out, that's what people listen to when they're going through situations. - Driving. - Yeah, it just change your mood. - Music, not to cut you off. - No, you got it. - Music was how the devil started controlling people back in the days. - Facts. - Lucifer was a musician. - Oh, you read the Bible. - A talented one. - He's a talented one. - When it was created back in the day, yeah. - I believe in it, bro. - What do you say? - In the beginning of time. - He was a talented one. - You watch "Sinners," the movie? - Yeah, of course. - And you see the devil in there, see how nice he was, how he was getting them, he was like, you know what I'm saying, had the whole group out there wailing, he was seducing them, pushing them with his music. - I agree with you. I also, I grew up in the church, so I do be thinking to myself, like, why Jesus, why God don't just make better music then, if that's the case? Like, if everybody, like, the devil got the best music, I'm like, well, if God made them, he should make better music, right? - The devil was the main angel. - But the way they were singing. - He's just talented, the devil's just talented. - It was the main angel, that was his baby, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - You start feeling yourself, you got booted out. - He did. - That's how you tell a story, you know what I'm saying? - How's it back? - Yeah, 'cause like, back in the days, they had like, the righteous place, and they had like, the place where they, you know, where all the sinners were. So all the sinners created, like, when they started playing music, everybody that was on the righteous side started going, and watching the parties and all that, they was like, yo, they got something going on over there. - It's called, like, hymns. - They were wiggling. - Them hymns moving. - So little by little, they kept on going back, and everybody went to go see them, and it just started going little by little. So it was like, that was like, the beginning of time, you know what I'm saying? But that's why now, even like, when you listen to the Quran, you listen to certain things, you can hear them, like, doing melodies with it, and this and that, just so they can grab your ears. So yeah, it's all through there, too, though. - What song for you guys was a surprise hit? Like, you guys have made a lot of music. What song from you, specifically, through time has lived so long that you've been like, I did not expect that motherfucker to go? Or have you always-- - It's gotta be "Ever Since You Left Me For You." - Nah, he meant like, nah, not yet, it ain't been long enough. He said, like, throughout the years, like, what song that's still around, that's, you like, how is that shit even still playing? - Like, "Where Are My Hoes?" Like, where you got? - 2K9, "Fuck Faces," like-- - Oh, out of y'all joints? - Yeah. - Yeah, out of y'all joints, out of y'all joints. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - "Ever Since You Left Me For You," hell yeah, I ain't got no hit record. I ain't got no hit record. - No, I ain't know what you talking about, yeah. - I ain't got no hit record. - No problem. - You got no hit record? - You got street hit records? - I play it up all the time. - You know, I don't make my records like that, man. He got me now-- - Understanding the math behind the process. - Yeah, he got me now making shows like, yo, look, you gotta listen. - I made it a moment. I made it a moment when he came home. I sat, I made sure he sat in that seat, and I made sure he was listening, 'cause there was a lot going on. So, brother, I'm about to press play on something. I want you to know, what I'm about to press play on is one of them things I wanna give you as a gift, a come home gift. - He looked at me, he was like, play it. I played it. He was like, yeah, I'll come back and do that. I wish I could rewind the clock and now I'm playing for you. - I'm trying to get out of that life. - But I think that's what y'all do really well, is I feel like y'all balance each other. - Usually, when he don't like a record, his favorite line is-- - I come back and do that? - Nah, nah. - Look, that's hilarious. You got that, that's you. - Yeah, it sound like a French record right there. - You need me on that? - I don't even think you need me on that one. - That's outta here. - That's a don't know, that's a don't know joint. - Yeah, nah, that sound like a French record right there. - That's funny. - You've been remixing R&B so long, I feel like you started that trend of people understanding that, it's like how Jamaicans do it on reggae rhythms where they make a different song on the same beat, but you've done it in a way where it's like, I think in a perfect time after 50 It Come, it did like a little bit of singing and then you hit around the same time and really like-- - I think I hit the full R&B joint. - Yeah, you hit it like perfect. - Like the full R&B joints. Like, I ain't saying I was the first melodic, but I'm talking about the first R&B joint rap, like full, go, pull it out. - Pull it out. - No, I thought that was you for sure. - Yeah, with the cool porno music, the dream joint, look at the new joint, the Lloyd joint on the collar. - Yeah, the first time he did a record, he definitely pulled up a Christina Aguilera beat. And you were sitting there, you're like, "What do you mean?" - It's a Max joint. - That's you right there. You got that. - I know, I was definitely listening. - I'ma wait till you finish and see what you do. Where you going with this? - I definitely sat there until he finished. - Yup. ♪ Man, you don't want that money, money ♪ I was like, "Oh, this is groovy right here." Yeah, he stole the bacon. I gave him like a little, 30 minutes and he stole the bacon. For sure. Is there any moment in your life where you were somewhere and you heard a song and you thought, "Damn, I need to make a song not like this, "but a song that has this feeling." Like if you're in the club and you hear something and you're sitting in there and you're like, "What the fuck is it? "Everybody know this song, I don't know." And you're like, "Let me figure out how to make this." Or how to make something that has the same weight to it. Have you ever been in a situation or has there been a song that you could say like, "Oh, I heard that and I was like, "I need to go do this. "I need to go to the studio now." - Yeah, I mean, usually I'll be listening to a lot of legend catalogs and like a Bob Marley, like not really MJ like that sometimes, but like certain people when I'll be listening to their catalog and I'll be trying to see what was the recipe for that record that's standing the test of time. So when I heard records like "Unforgettable" and like "Certain Things" and like even "Pop That." You know what I'm saying? I was like, "Okay, I can hear this playing 20 years. "People are still twerking to this." You know what I'm saying? So now you could play "Pop That" and still sound like any other record that's out. So it's kind of like, I've been listening to a lot of catalogs of people that made music that lasted the test of time. - Nah, I used to listen, listen, listen. So my thing was like, I used to always listen to West Coast music. I used to love NWA or anything that came out of Death Row or something like that. Like out that camp, I was on it. But that, when Pac made that seven day theory, that white man's world, like how he put that together, I used to always be like, "Yo, that right there." That's how I used to- - That's the album? - The seven day theory, Machiavelli. - Oh, Machiavelli, yeah. - Yeah, that white man's world. - How you get introduced to West Coast music on the East Coast? I mean, I know it was everywhere, but like, you know, for me, I'm from Chicago. - 'Cause we- - But Tupac's from New York, though. - Nah, my man- - He is, he is originally from New York. - My boy, rest in peace, Tyson, he used to listen to the way, he was a little older than us. So he used to fuck with them, but he- he brought over the Bone Thug joint. And we was like, "Yo." - Fuck these niggas, bro. - So I start tapping in a little more to the, they not even from the West Coast. They just was a different sound. He was teaching us how to tap into different sounds, instead of just the typical early nineties. We ain't had shit figured out on rap. Everybody was all over the place. You had X-Clan, you had De La Soul. It was so many characters in music. Like West Coast had The Black, they was running in front of the police. They was cursing all crazy on their records. So we, they was doing the real gangster music. We was on that, you know what I'm saying? And that's what we was listening to. But, my dude, that shit was crazy. - How I make you feel, feeling like that the wave legitimately like can't die. Like legit, like since you started the work, like wave and the whole thing with wave- - They sell wave shit at Target, bro. Like it's crazy. - I'm mad I ain't capitalized. - It's crazy. - It's like bling- - I'm mad I ain't patting the name. - But bling came out of bling. - I feel like still come and go, like. - Yeah, the wave, it's like the wave is a wave. It's going to come and it's going to go. How many companies stole your name? You know, I mean, if you were to trademark that when you was. If I were to trademark it in the NFL? Yeah, of that alone, you'd be a billionaire. Wavy on different levels, wavy this, wavy that. I mean, certain people reached out to you out of respect. I remember Kanye reached out to you. Kanye named his album The Wave, and I had to hit him up. I was like, that's The Wave, and he reached out. So, well, these companies don't care. They just steal everything. They're going to put them three names in. People that know the culture. Yeah, people that know the culture reach out. But people that don't, they just hear it and think it's the new slang and run with it. They don't even know who's behind it. That's crazy. And you made the first wave go crazy, and then you went and sat. Then you came out again and made a second wave, in a sense, and then you went and sat. And now you're in your third wave, technically. How do you feel like you're creating the magic again? Is it just like, I'm just going to do what I know to do? Or are you, like, thinking about it different? Like, how you said that French has taught you how to, like, sat you down and made you think about records a different way. Has that changed how you think about this whole thing? Or are you just like, oh, the wave is the wave. I'm just going to operate how I operate. And whatever falls in line falls in line. I just think the story is inspirational, man. And the music got to go with it. It got to go with the story. So it's just more inspirational, more, you know what I'm saying? Then we're going to hold each other accountable. So that elevates the play, you know what I'm saying? And, yo, listen, man, I just do what I got to do. I don't complain. I get after it. How do both of y'all want y'all, like, ultimately y'all legacy to be looked at? Like, you're one of, I mean, I don't even know how many artists have a diamond record. You're one of the few artists that could say, I have a diamond record. I feel like you got more than one. You got one diamond or more? You got two? I don't even know. So I can deal with two for sure. You got a lot of records, man. You got a lot of records. You sold over 100-something million records, right? They said, like, over 150 million worldwide. That's fucking crazy. That's what they said. So when approaching, like, are you, do you ultimately, when you're still creating today, are you thinking about your legacy overall? Or are you just like, I'm just creating to stay high and I can reflect when it's all over with? I'm creating for therapy. I'm creating for passion. I'm creating because it's my love. It's my, you know, it's like my number one love. I'm creating because it's the only thing that makes me feel like I'm floating in the air. Besides that. I don't know what I'm saying. Besides getting drunk and high. I don't think there's nothing else that can get me that high than making music and watch people enjoy it. I'm just trying to build something for the, for the, for the, I ain't going to be here forever. I'm just a vessel. Why? I was here, I was placed here to build something and leave it to the fam, you know what I'm saying? Leave it to the people and let them know I was here. I was a great man. I wasn't a perfect man. I'm just a God-friendly great man. I work hard. I love my family. I love my friends. And I love what I do. It's beautiful. That's the best way to approach it. Bro, it's honestly, it's like the best way. There's no other way to approach it. I think a lot of people work and operate from a place of like money being the first thing. Whether, and I understand that in business obviously, but certain people when they do their passion, I think it's easier to work because you're not working from a place of. Money feels good though. Oh, brother. And he's just got to change real quick. Niggas that make money feels good. Money feels amazing. Money feels better than anything. We all need money. We all need the chicken. Shit feels better than anything. I think the passion, when you get to do what you love to do and make money from it, it's like what else could you fucking ask for? You know what I mean? A dream is a dream without a plan is a wish. Facts. Facts. French, I heard recently that you bought a cab for a cab driver whose car was destroyed during. The next commotion, riots and shit. I want to say first and foremost, that's amazing. Thank you, man. What things like that, like when you do things like that, obviously, I know you're doing them from like the better place of your heart. But is there like other things like that that you enjoy to do? Is there like places in Morocco you take care of or is there like communities here that you care of, like the Bronx? Is there something that you do there that makes you feel like worldly and you're sharing stuff and like taking care of people? Yeah, man. I mean, when we first started. When we first started, I mean, we did a bunch of things in the Bronx because I come from the Bronx. We went to Africa. We did a bunch of things in Morocco, schools in Morocco. Then it was we did a bunch of shot the pencil promise, raised like two hundred something million, went to Uganda. I got a chance to get there like two days. It just it was a coincidence. I got there like like a day or two before the video we went to go look at the. Locals and this and that we just saw like fifty six villages were like no, no, no, no medical assistance and none of that. And women were still having birth and they and they not Chris, but, you know, and they tribes and it was like fifty six villages. So we're just like, you know, let's help out. And everybody came together for me to the weekend to everybody. We just now we got just like a hospital that cure more than a million people, you know what I'm saying? So just beautiful. Yeah. So things like that, then I mean. With the with the captain, it was just me and my brother got the biggest song that that was going with that with the Knicks winning that we watching all the highlights that we just see this brother from Algeria. You know, he's just he's just standing there with a bunch of yans broke down his car and destroy it. He could tell he and his phone, he can't tell them to get off or nothing. And it's just like we found out he had kids and he couldn't work and this and that. So we just we just reached out to my boy, Zach, and the taxi union. We came together and raised them like eighty. Thousand. They could probably get a couple of times to quit. So we were trying to get him a cab. He was like, no, my brother, I'm going to take this and retire the plans. But I'm glad, you know, I'm glad, you know, because there's a lot of trauma with that, you know, so I'm glad we was able to help somebody. I think that's amazing. What is it? What is the next thing that you guys are like focused on? Is it more music? Is it a tour? Is it. We got the tape. Yeah. One night, one night to remember. Yeah. Remember that? I remember. Yeah. What's this month, August? A whole nother funk. Yeah. August 7th. It's a whole nother funk. I love it. Straight funk. New York funk. Boogie woogie barbecue music. We need that. I know y'all do. There's some shits I'm not even expecting. I think y'all thinking, yo, these niggas coming out with another tape. How they going to do it? The Narcos. Did he did the Cosmos? How they going to sound? How are you going to sound different? It's a whole different shit. The wave is home. Everything is different now. Me and my boy back, the Cosmos is back. Yeah. I love it. It's about to be a big, it's about to be a big thing. What is the biggest difference in going to the club now from when you were home? Like everything has changed. I feel like, I mean, I started going to club when I was 17. Nah, I'm lit now in the club. I'm lit now in the club. The difference now, I'm saying, look, back then I was good in the club, but now it's like Max is in the club. Fuck out the way, Max is in the club. I'm usually, I'm usually, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm usually good in the club, so it'd be good. What else, what else other than music, obviously we've been talking about music the whole time. Other than music, what else keeps y'all like brotherhood or y'all bond so close? What, like, you know? I think we just got the confidence in each other, like, like, like to be real, you know what I'm saying? Um, we ain't perfect, but that's my nigga, you know what I'm saying? He is, he is who he is. We got respect for each other. We on man time. We give each other space. I'm saying, I mean, and we still could come back, take a year off and talk to each other. We'd be just like we talked yesterday. We always go in the studio and create like that is never, the music will always bring us together. We never bump heads on the, in the, in the field and I'm sharing with the, on that level. So we'd be good. We just like two different things on that end. So we never, we never, it's just, it's just, yeah, it's not based on money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Same shit. He did it perfect already. He did it perfect. What do y'all do outside? Like, what do y'all be doing? Like walk me through your day to day. Like you wake up in the morning. Are you just like, I'm going to see you every day. Are you waking up and doing some like random shit? We never thought of like, maybe you guys row boats in your spare time. Like I, in my spare time, I golf a lot, bro. Like I golf three times a week. That's like what I care about the most outside of work. For real? Yeah. Wow. What makes you feel? Golf? Golf is like, you're going to be rolling forever. So like, it's that sound, right? That whoosh. Yeah. When you hit a ball, it's hitting it perfect. It's like you chase this dragon forever. It's almost like a girl that you see at the club and you can never catch up to her. She's always in the car. You're like, ah, damn. And then for two seconds, she's like, oh, what's up with you? And you're like, uh, you know, and you turn around for two seconds, you look back, she's gone. That's how golf is. It's a chasing game. You're always striving to like, that didn't sound fun though. Just so you know, that sounded like horrible. No, no, it's great. I'm saying, I don't want to chase a girl for the rest of my life. That sounds insane. Make golf sound better. That's crazy, bro. I've never heard nobody break it down like that though. It's forever improving, bro. It's you against yourself in all senses. Like in tennis, it's one-on-one with somebody else. In basketball, it's a team sport. Football is the same. In golf, bro, you can play with your homies, but it's you and that's it, bro. Nothing else fucking matters. But I'd be out there for four hours, bro, having the time of my fucking life, phone off, music playing. Yeah. He's trying to get that shit. Loving that shit. Nigga feel free. I mean, I feel like our career is like vacation. Valor. I feel like we just wake up, we do what we love and we try to make money. and try to get comfortable in life i feel like that's like that's like my main goal i'm just trying you know i'm trying to be like these uh these people i had been making money off for us for years i'm trying to be like one of these big wheels yeah maybe you got a new hobby stuff because like i was just saying my brother when he he just put all my hobbies to the side right now where work for me to work i was making money working i'm trying to make a movie yeah i'm like i'm trying to every even anything i do in my leisure time in the work wow so i tap i'm tapping into the stream but on some gaming uh-huh with the game think about it we don't have a job right what pays us is what we love to do so we're not actually working we're not turning that into work we're actually waking up and doing what we love if we wasn't making money this is what we were waking up and doing you know what i'm saying so to us this is like you know and when we gotta do shows it's usually somewhere where there's a beach ladies it could be worse bro yeah you know what i mean you can have a fan base of all dudes maybe dropping like all these like complex lists and different things we all see like top new york rappers do y'all get concerned at all like do y'all like look at them listen and be like i should be here versus here or is it like oh that's subjective i don't worry myself with it i think you got top talkers and top musicians right when it comes to musicians and the proof of that is that you don't have to go to the music industry you don't have to go to the music industry is in the pudding look at the scores you got those look at the scores do matter all right look at the scores look at the longevity look at the pipeline pause all right what you talking about you're not wrong all right the proof is in the goddamn pudding the facts have been laid we know who's who who's doing what who's relevant who's still around so what matters who's the best dress so what matters more like the industry love or the street love because y'all both came up with street love and then the industry came after which one to you is more important to yourself like to you as a person don't forget don't forget the algorithm instagram my don't ever forget this we already street certified we already commercially certified the only that we going against is the algorithm that's true we already doing the streets we just dropped 220. the streets love us damn i walk the streets that's like a golf analogy we got number one records so look who we got problems with every day when we at the algorithm we get caught up in that which i love i dive in head first with my chunks on but these don't know you just gotta do what you do you gotta put them on though it's like that's that's what i think the algorithm is there for is for us to put on the things we think are good because the algorithm is going to tell you what it thinks is good based on what other people respond to but if you fill something with good then naturally the good will rise right one million percent that's how you feel look everybody got their own algorithm yeah yeah so but how do you tap into anybody else that's what that's what we come and play with the algorithm trying bigger valve down my thing one million algorithm boys algorithm boys like that you like the you you can appreciate the actual algorithm or do you like the more natural algorithm of the people i just like just like all crazy i like everything i like looking at anything i like the fact that you hit a button and some could pop right up at your doorstep to all this george jensen out here george jensen i love it you gotta think you gotta think bro i had a homie come home from prison and when he came home he didn't understand what uber was because he was like i kept seeing online and these jokes of when the uber pull up what the is that i was like oh it's like you order a car and he was like so you order a whole car and i was like well like like yeah technically but like not so in his head he was like is just picking up cars on phones like full trucks like actually people was like that's your car now it's like i got a driver he could drive me right like he didn't understand it i thought that was like the biggest thing that i picked up on from somebody coming home for so long was like damn bro you missed out on certain little specific things that to us are so normal well don't sound host mates saying you're gonna get in the car with you don't know at all that sounds crazy airbnb was a thing going to somebody's crib you don't know it's a thing that's normal so none of it is actually normal but we have it's become normal to us yes i feel i feel like the first thing a should do when he come home the first items he should purchase is a mac a playstation and an iphone anything else gonna fall into place he's telling me you better have money when you come home you're gonna be automatically up to speed but you need if you need to know how to afford that stuff you can figure that out you get you a woman get you a woman or two before you come home and you figure that out and get you get you set up the first three things you get man matt iphone playstation what advice would you give to a kid right now who's going down the wrong path you've lived it you've dealt with it you've dealt with the repercussions of it you've held yourself accountable what would you tell somebody would you tell young max if you're trying to do what you're trying to do you know what i'm saying you look for the good in him what are you doing if he it's going to be something he want to do good if he if he can do something good most likely he can and you just let him know like yo you know what i'm saying little bro you if you keep doing this you ain't going to be able to do that if you're going down that path because you're going you're going to compromise a good situation you're working on so you just got to think about your parents think about the level you know what i'm saying your kids is different you got to like i try to let my let my kids do them you know what i'm saying my kids my oldest son here a little wild and you know what i'm saying i try to get my kids leeway my daughters you know what i'm saying but um at the same token i do later later later fish lay the hammer down when i need to you know what i'm saying but for the most part i just like to let my kids be be themselves and but um i got good kids man you know me and these kids it's good kids out here i think i don't think i think it's a lot of good kids but i think there are some kids who don't who listen to the wrong advice or like listen to music and think they have to operate from this place like i'm sure a bunch of kids when 50 cent came out thought they was hood but they need more leaders bro that's what it is it's look it's what i'm saying you got a lot of dudes in position they're not really taking the time out really to be leaders you know what i'm saying and they and they can it's just it's a disconnection the young kids that's that's why we got to bridge the gap somehow but we need i think we need more leaders we need to do more speaking you know what i'm saying even me i'm about to go do something in mount vernon in like a couple weeks they about to give me a whole number citation i'm saying i just spoke to the other spoke to the kids fed the kids in harlem a couple months ago got another citation they about to give me the cake the key to my brother they might give me the key so hopefully you know i'm saying i could tap into that and you know hopefully get my pro situation squared away i'm about to get my passport so i'm gonna be talking to kids a lot you know i'm saying popping up going to see him i'm saying just we just need i think we need leaders kids gonna be kids bro they're gonna get in trouble they're gonna do crazy but they we just need more leaders that ain't no excuse for us not to be do our part valid we want to keep seeing y'all impact man y'all been doing great so far y'all impact is important yeah well i want to say thank you to both of y'all yes yes as a big fan of both y'all steelo i was gonna ask you just because i had so many they used to hit me on socials and say yo fam you don't realize you helped me get through my beard they would keep it on because it keeps the morale high and i was like really and i used to just so many people approached me that's dope i was going to ask you low-key that's dope i was chasing karuchi ever shows and i love me some chanel west coast she was a little tender i was older i was on that show as much as possible you're gonna come to me too yeah you're amazing yeah y'all both got me too i see i know what's going on oh my god i love it man thank you guys so much for coming in here you know taco i watched you now this show gonna get a lot of people through you know what i'm saying the shot look at taco hey i don't know i know what's going on taco i appreciate it my my ears my ears and eyes is in you i see everything i see going on i'll be singing i'll be like this i'll be watching tv i watch reality shows what are you watching on reality shows right now oh tell me it's love island my nigga i don't know how it's gonna be like if this thing can watch the love island this is incredible they've been playing our record on there they didn't play our record on there as a person who watched my wife they did play our record i'm on some naked in the fray okay okay i watch real dog that's not that love island you want to be on naked in the fray i'm trying to you want to be on that game i can with that game we gotta make that happen for you somehow out of here i don't like this gonna be some big dollars i quit I go to Naked and Afraid on Ramadan with you. 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