"France Has FALLEN!" Riots Debate + North Korea UK Ally on Jung-On Rumors

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is kim jong-un is he alive or dead i disagree with your characterization of marshal kim jong-un as a dictator really why do you love kim jong-un he's your comrade yes you ever spoken to him he's waved at me well france is based braced for fresh demonstrations on saturday as the country struggles to quell its worst civil unrest in generations several major cities including paris lille and nice are under curfew the interior minister has admitted the police were unprepared and have lost control the crisis began with nationwide student protests which despite a few skirmishes were unremarkable in a country which protests as a national sport they've since exploded into a national emergency scenes of burning spires and flamed out cars have the world as has the unfettered looting of luxury boutiques france's leaders have responded with a festival of finger pointing everybody blames everybody but themselves for as i can tell from the safety of london the protesters include a whole lot of different people there are far-left activists and anarchists union reps young people organizing over social media and yes there are also some young muslim men from struggling neighborhoods there is however no room for doubt about the cause and the blame for one group of people maga republicans no it's not about education it's about immigration it's about illegal people coming in and out of the country it's about the people who are in the who basically hate france they hate the people they hate everything they hate the architecture you saw the building from the mid-1800s that fell down yesterday that burned down to the ground boy it's tragic tragic sight now these are people that hate france but they've been let in they hate france but they've been let in and you have to get them out if you don't get them out you're not going to have a france well many of the president's enforcers have taken his lead texas senator ted cruz posted we are witnessing islamists right now burning paris because europe has committed cultural suicide mark levine said the riots were a punishment for abandoning jews and decreed that new york london and paris have now conquered islamist cities ben shapiro blamed all the violence on islamist supporters of palestine and said europe has become the third world so is maga cynically using europe's problems for its own political game or is the islamic revolution complete in a moment we'll debate this with the legendary broadcaster andrew neal and manga originalist gavin mckinnis we'll begin with law and justice mep dominic tarchinski who has used the riots to reiterate his strong message to illegal immigrants do not come to the polish border or you will be dead shot dead do not come to the polish border well mr tarchinski welcome to uncensored um are you gonna have any real understanding of who these people are before you shoot them dead well it doesn't matter who wants to break into your home you don't ask for his id if someone is trying to break into your house you have to write to protect your family and uh you know polish nation is my family and we do have a right to protect ourselves especially after the the case of our soldier who was killed by these people they never introduced themselves we we have we haven't had a chance to ask them because they never tried to cross bielorussian polish border in the right way they tried to do it in the forest so they killed our soldier then our parliament in three days changed the law and and now we can use live bullets and shoot to kill if someone is trying to hurt any of our soldiers simple as that okay but what if they're ukrainian refugees coming over the border for example you would shoot them you're not hearing i don't know if you're listening i'm talking about people who are trying to break into our homeland not the refugees who went through the point who came with the documents what if they are ukrainian refugees who went through the point who came with the documents what if they what if they are ukrainian refugees who just come over the border illegally well they came they came with the passports what if they don't what if they don't have their passports and they walk in but you would shoot them dead would you shoot them would you shoot would you shoot them dead if someone is trying to why are you trying to manipulate i'm not i'm trying to work out if you like a two-year-old who who doesn't understand very basic maybe i am the two-year-old in this conversation but just to be clear you are the one that said do not approach the polish border otherwise you will be dead they will shoot you until they kill you okay so if you happen to be ukrainian refugees coming over the border but you don't have your passports you just happen to walk over the border is your position you would shoot them dead or not simple question every single person it doesn't matter if it's a jihadist is it ukrainian is it it doesn't matter who if someone is trying to break through our wall which was built to protect our land and he's trying to harm another soldier again well you didn't say that though you didn't you didn't say it's about people who might harm you didn't know hang on just to be clear sorry i may be being the two-year-old here but just to be clear yes you are you did well maybe but you didn't actually specify it was people who might harm soldiers you said it's anybody who comes over the polish border hence my question about ukrainians no you're wrong you do not you do not you do not you you just put the second clip well let's play it again we'll play it again because obviously you didn't hear it let's play it again do not come to the polish border or you will be dead shot dead do not come to the polish border i mean the thing is the thing is it sounds to me like you're all tough words until somebody challenges you about exactly what you mean and then you resort to childish insults and pretend you didn't say what you said before this sentence which you played i said i've got a message to all jihadists which means terrorists because most of them when this crisis started officially said that there are jihadists and they want to invade poland and europe in general so if you would play the whole clip you will hear what i meant and i will say it again i've got a message to all jihadists all illegals just to be clear just to be clear that is the clip you shared yourself yeah yeah and there is there is a whole interview as well sorry just to be clear though we didn't edit the clip you shared it you did yeah of course and there is and every single clip and every single clip has a notice there's information my message to all jihadists show my tweet can you can you can you post my tweet now right and how do you know they're jihadists when they come over your border illegally because if someone is trying to kill our soldiers and how would you know they're going to do that do you want to hear my answer or you want to hear my answer speak to yourself answer so if someone the answer is our our experience is very clear when they came to the polish border they were shouting allah akbar throwing stuff on our soldiers then they made a spear and they killed one of our soldiers who are they then students as you call the the rioters and jihadists in paris i didn't i didn't call them that is why are you twisting what i said no because you you know in your introduction you said that so just to be clear your call to shoot people who cross the border only applies to jihadists shouting ali akbar and chucking missiles at soldiers that's who you're talking about no no anyone who's trying to illegally so it is anybody it is anybody who's trying to get in illegally it is anybody and harm and harm any of our soldiers as they did so you're talking so when you said earlier you didn't say that you've just said it so you've got it exclusively pierce you've got it exclusively anyone who's trying to break into poland illegally and he's trying to harm any of our soldiers as they killed one of them okay can be shoot at shot and dead what about people who are not trying to harm soldiers but people who try and cross the border illegally well you we use uh water cannons you can see 2017 2016 so you don't shoot them with water cannons if they're if they're not threatening your soldiers sorry you'd only shoot them with water cannons if they're not threatening your soldiers sorry you'd only shoot them with water cannons if they're not threatening the soldiers polish but polish law polish law has been changed now we can use live bullets thank god so just to be clear then if people are crossing the border illegally but they're not directly shouting or threatening against you they are arrested and and sent back they are sent back straight would you shoot those people though if they're violent and they're trying to not violent not violent just entering the country illegally i'm trying to work out what your policy is no if if they're trying to if they're coming um as a nice uh children and they want to do it illegally they're arrested and the same day we are sending them back Right, so you wouldn't shoot them. Ask second time or third time or tenth time. Well, it's confusing because you yourself put the clip out, which implied you'd shoot all the illegal immigrants. Well, that's what you understand, that's what you want to see. No, that's what you wanted us to understand because you put the clip out, not me. Yeah, and I'm proud of it. I'm proud of Polish law now. As someone who spent years editing a national newspaper, I know how a headline gets written. More importantly, I know what gets left out. Add an algorithm feeding you one version of the world and you end up in an echo chamber. That's not the uncensored way, and that's why I use Ground News. Their app and website gather news sources from all over the world in one place, so you can see side by side how the same story is being framed, how biased each source is and who owns it. Take, for example, the DOJ's antitrust inquiry into the White House press pool. More than 400 outlets covered it. Publications on the left question whether antitrust laws even applies. Those on the right ask whether the news organizations have broken federal law by pulling out of the pool. Same story, two completely different versions, depending on what you read. I check it every morning before the show, whether preparing for an interview or researching a story. It's a crucial defense against perhaps my own biases. Everyone has them, and I'm not alone. The Nobel Peace Center called it an excellent way to stay informed, avoid echo chambers, and expand your worldview. So go to ground.news.peers or scan the QR code for 40% of unlimited access with the same Vantage plan that I use, because you shouldn't have to rely on somebody else's version of the truth. What is your view, then, of what you think is happening in Paris? Well, it's the. That's the fruit of migration policy. It's the second and third generation of migrants. Most of them cannot read or write in French. This is official data. It's not my policy. It's not my political opinion. But even though there will be very good students, as you call them, they are not students, they are violent, vicious people who should be arrested and jailed. But from what I know, none of them were jailed. So that is the problem. That's the fruit of this leftism, and that's the policy we do not support in Poland. That's why, as you know, Poland is the safest country in European Union and one of the safest in the world. That's why there is no. There are no situations in Poland. That's why we've got the highest GDP after COVID. That's why there is the lowest unemployment in European Union. Investors are coming because they are not afraid that their shops will be robbed and burned. And the funny thing is, I'd like to ask you, how many mosques were destroyed during these riots in Paris? Do you know? I don't know. None. And how many churches? Many. So if you don't know, if you're asking me what I think, I think that second and. The third generation of people who hates Christian values, Christian culture, Roman law, Greek philosophy, they want to destroy Europe, and this is what we see. What percentage do you think of the rioters then were, as you would put it, Islamists? It doesn't matter. Even if there would be one, it shouldn't be there. OK, what about. It shouldn't be there. But what about the others? Why does it. OK, let's talk about. Just to be clear then, just to be clear, I want to be clear again about your position. You would not allow any Muslim immigrants into France, say? You would stop all of them coming in? No, of course not. None? None? No, Islam is not compatible with the Western values. OK, so basically you would like all Muslims banned from every European country? Well, I don't care about any other European country. I don't want them in Poland. They are not capable with. No, but what about France? What about France or England? France is done. France has fallen. It's done. It's too late. You think England's fallen? Yes. Really? What do you base that on? Because you lived here for five years. You were an immigrant, ironically, to my. And I paid my taxes and I didn't burn any. I have no problem with you having been here, but what do you base the fact on my country having fallen on? Because I live here and that's complete bullshit. I feel sorry for you. Why? I have a perfectly nice life, thank you. Well, yes, you're doing good with your finances, but most of the people are not doing good. Many people are arrested for praying on the streets. People are arrested for a post on Facebook. And this communist starmer, who I sued, obviously, will pay for his actions. It's a communist. It's a communist system. As you know, I was travelling on my diplomatic passport and I was banned from entering this country to give a speech. So if there is no freedom of speech, if people are arrested for praying on the streets, in their mind, if people are, you know, arrested for. You spoke at the Unite the Kingdom rally in London in September 25, organised by Tommy Robinson. Correct. You let us send them back chants regarding illegal immigration What do you think about Tommy Robinson? Are you a fan of his? He's my friend. Is he? He's a good man. He's not a pope. He's not a saint. He's a normal man with his history of life. For what he's doing, for the identity of this nation, I love him, he's my friend, and I think he's a great man. And you would. Just to be clear, if you were a British politician, you'd be calling for all Muslims to be banned? Yes. OK. And the same in France? Yes. And the same in Germany? Well, until. Europeans, until Christians will not be able to build churches and cathedrals in Qatar, there should not be any mosques in Europe. OK, so you would ban. You'd basically ban all the Muslims? Yes. OK. Which makes you just an unbelievable bigot, doesn't it? Well, it's better to be a bigot by the life than sold out to Qataris and jihadists. That's what I think. Right, but I see no sense in my country of anyone being sold out to either Qataris or jihadists. Well, a vice president of European Union was caught with 15 million euros from Qatar, socialists, obviously, communists, and other six MEPs. I know what I'm saying. It's a fact. OK. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show, Mr Tarczynski. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. You're listening to a quick ad. You know what else is quick? Selling your car on Carvana. Just put in your vehicle information and we'll give you an offer. Thank you. Thank you. Done. No hassle, no negotiation, no guy from an online listing lowballing you. Which means by the time I'm done explaining this, you could have basically done it. Still haven't started? Hey, better late than never. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. Well, joining us now to discuss the French riots, host of the Andrew Neil Report, Andrew Neil, and the commentator and co-founder of the Proud Boys, Gavin McGinnis. Well, welcome to both of you. Andrew, well, you were listening to that. I mean, that is a view. What's your view of that view? Just about everything he told you as regards France is untrue. Yeah. Churches were not attacked at the weekend. Nor were mosques. There is. The Bishop of Marseille said he thought that two churches had been vandalised to some extent in Marseille. Lots of things are vandalised in Marseille. But we've not been able. We've not been able to check these churches out. But in general, there was no attack in churches. There were no churches burnt down. And to say that is simply to fan the flames of his agenda. Things are serious in France. Muslims are involved in the violence, as are most sectors of French society. But to make this out to be some kind of Islamic uprising that is taking place in France is frankly bonkers. Yeah. Gavin McGuinness, welcome back to Uncensored. Thanks. It is bonkers. I mean, I live in England. I go around the country a lot. I just don't recognise any of this characterisation of my country. Andrew spends a lot of time in France, as do I. I don't recognise it there as being an Islamist takeover. Why are so many people in America convinced it is? I guess we have eyeballs. I don't know. You guys are elites. You don't travel the world. You don't go to Rotherham and Birmingham. I do. Hang on. Sorry, just to be clear. I was in Birmingham last week at the Stevie Wonder concert. Literally went to Birmingham. Okay, those guys that you saw who looked like Ebenezer Scrooge with the long shirts, those are Muslims. Gavin, I was literally in Birmingham last week. Okay, you Brits are in total denial of the fall of your country. The French are in total denial of the fall of their country. Germany, we're about to see it here. This is the Crusades all over again. Get the Mona Lisa out of the. Get the Venus de Milo out of the Louvre. That Pyramide de Louvre is going. This has nothing to do with student protests. This is two groups, Muslim savages and spoiled brats. The spoiled brats are both Antifa and just rich kids, and they are pushed by this self-hatred that they're taught in school. You have little rich white girls singing rap songs about how cool it was to murder people at the Bata clan. They've been taught to hate themselves. Islamists use this as a tool. We saw this in Iran in 79. The Muslims use the radical commies. It's the red-green, the red-black alliance. And then when it's time to turn on them, they turn on them and take over. It's a very effective crusade. I'm losing. Look at France. I think 5% of Catholics go to mass now. And France is 10% Muslim. They refuse to even keep data on this because everyone is Francais to them. But they are losing their country, and they are losing their country. And it's going to happen all over again. over Europe. It's happening in Berlin with this elf chick. It's happening in Spain right now with the 60,000 that came over to Souta. It's a slow build. And these dumb frogs in boiling water are happy to assist and create Iran's all over the Western world. Andrew. Well, so I'm part of the elite. I live under two kilometers away from a town in France, which has a substantial population of Algerian heritage. So I'm not going to be lectured to an elite by someone who's over 3,000 miles away in the other side of the Atlantic, who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. So that's elitist. We get newspapers here, you know. We get the news here. And not all your papers. Yeah, well, New York. New York Post is a well-known journal of records there. The situation is this. Politics in France, every generation or so is decided on the streets. And that was true long before there was Muslim migration into France. It happened in 1789, the French Revolution. It happened in 1848, the famous Paris Commune. It happened in the last century, in 2005, after President Trump was elected. And it happened in the last century, in 2005, after President Chirac was elected. It happened in 1968, the famous student worker, Yves Venamon. It happened when Mr. Macron won. And Islam, Islamists, Muslims were not in the forefront of this or in cases involved at all. The truth is, if you know anything about France, they don't need Islamists to have riots in the streets, to have looting. There were two main violent forces. There's plenty of legitimate protests going on. But there were two main violent forces. And they were the French. one was the hard left which as it always does sought to exploit the illegitimate protests that were going on and they took over after the peaceful protests had ended on saturday they were organized they are bad people they were whipped up by the ultra left in france and they were joined as well by kids gangs criminal gangs young gangs who came in from the bong year who came in from the suburbs where a lot of the migrants live where life isn't that pleasant and the chance for some looting why not now there's an overlap some of these ultra leftists are also quite happy looting some of the kids coming in from the bong are quite politicized so there is an overlap there to do it but the idea that islamists or muslims or some islamic crusade though i think it's christians that have crusades but some islamic yihad is behind this just it just defies everything we know about france and french history yeah and gavin you know all that is true and i would add this i was in paris two years ago when my football team arsenal reached the semi-final of the european champions league against paris saint-germain who was a big team in france and paris saint-germain won and afterwards that was the most unnerved i've been by what happened in the streets afterwards because the same thugs all came out that night after dark and started beating up anyone they could find setting fire to shops looting and robbing and doing all the stuff we've been seeing at the weekend that had nothing to do with any student protests or anything else it was just a reaction to people hitting the streets and they seized an opportunity they're just thugs and your obsession with soccer hooligans is classism i think you resent that you're not part of the gang when it comes to football matches and so you despise tommy you despise the lads and i don't admire football hooligans no i don't i don't i think i think people that go to football matches with the one or two times that working class white men behave badly shows that you have this myopic obsession with not seeing what's in front of your eyes the number one boomer take with all revolutions is oh it's it's groovy man like the arab spring remember 2011 60 minutes sent lara logan down to the arab spring because it's just egyptians having a cool revolution man just like vietnam just like the french revolution they're storming the bastille this is different muslims are different what happened to lara she had her hair exposed her blonde hair that's an open door for the most disgusting violations that a human woman could ever experience and that was the direct result of boomer naivete when it comes to revolutions muslim revolutions are different and by the way the crusades are different and they're different and they're different and they're different so the crusades was a reaction to centuries of muslim oppression they we're still doing the crusades this has been going on forever the numbers in france for catholics is plummeting five percent go to mass the numbers of of muslims is increasing ten percent it's going up the young are all more radical and having more babies than the catholics so france is doomed you must have noticed that when you were in paris as i just was with with romanians and all kinds of muslim refugees on the streets lying on mattresses on the streets lying on mattresses lying on mattresses lying on mattresses the the eiffel tower is you don't think there have been homeless homeless people in paris you don't think there have been historically any homeless people in paris that weren't muslim i've been going to paris my whole life i have never seen it like this okay and and this whole like you don't know what it's like you've never been there it's you're all fighting your lion eyes like go there you you've been to paris you've been to london you're in france now go to go to marseille it's indistinguishable you've been to paris you've been to london you're in france now go to go to marseille it's indistinguishable from north africa it looks exactly the same when were you last in marseille uh two years ago and it looked exactly like north africa to you yes i couldn't tell the difference i honestly couldn't tell the difference maybe you should get out more andrew your response to that this is juvenile well there's just more and more nonsense being talked about as you know pierce i don't give a monkeys about football or football supporters uh and i'm and i'm proud uh not to um i've been to marseille uh quite a few times uh there were stories coming out of the weekend i pushed around by the french equivalent of your other guest uh saying that jewish stores jewish shops uh jewish institutions had been targeted none of that was true uh indeed the council of around paris right now and see how it goes you're not you're in north america so why don't you learn something from someone who's actually on the spot the council for jews of marseille provence has issued a statement saying none of that was true none of that was true the society for jewish defense in marseille has issued a statement saying none of that was true in other words it ain't true what is true and what is much deeper and it's nothing to do with islam or islamists or even even with muslims there is in france in particular but in most european countries a deeply disaffected youth they're disaffected because their education isn't making them employable uh they're disaffected because entry-level jobs seem to be disappearing they're disaffected because their economies are basically stagnant i mean the french economy is stagnant but the french demand for welfare is not stagnant it rises exponentially even though they don't generate the wealth and andrew and andrew on the issue of immigration generally if you look at the numbers of immigrants who've come into france i think it's three million since 2007 million in the uk and so on and go through most european countries and get large numbers the argument which i i have some support for is that when you bring in large numbers of people into a country that's already struggling a bit economically inevitably there is an extra pressure on public services inevitably that filters down inevitably none of this helps the economy do you subscribe to that oh of course i don't think there's any doubt about that and i think governments the british government the french government the german government under anglo-america lost control of mass migration uh and i think they just it's a numbers game and they let too many in yeah britain was fine absorbing migrants when it was 150 000 200 000 net a year particularly if the migrants were people that we needed and wanted to be british and were happy to integrate france alone now has eight million people uh living in france who were not born in france right let's not forget 2.5 million of them are european yeah from other parts of the european union but about four million come from africa the maghreb in the north the sahel in the south that's a lot to absorb especially when as i was saying your economy doesn't generate jobs anymore your economy does not create jobs for young people and so therefore you have a disaffected youth muslim and non-muslim catholic a lot of catholics uh were involved in the the violence on uh saturday night that doesn't make it a catholic uprising but they are vulnerable to people particularly on the ultra left uh who want to exploit that disaffection and here's the irony and this will probably cheer up your other guests the political beneficiary of this without doubt marine le pen marine le pen yeah she is next year as things stand at the moment unstoppable as the next president of france right so gavin goodness i mean if you look at this if you look at the problem in the uk since 2000 2000, for example, one of the biggest issues was the way Tony Blair's government opened the floodgates to people coming in from Eastern Europe. These were white Eastern Europeans in the main who came in in very large numbers in a short period of time. That was the start of the problems that we had in the UK. It had nothing to do with Muslims coming in from Muslim countries. So the point Andrew's making, which I would endorse, is that we're not oblivious to the issues of mass migration or to the pressure that puts on countries, particularly public services and then the economy and so on. That is indisputable and successive governments in Europe have failed it. It's the way the narrative is spelled out by people like you and by people like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump and others. This is an exclusively Islamist takeover issue. That's the bit we don't agree with because we don't see that. You keep telling us we're not seeing it. He's not there to be seen. Can you update me on the Ukrainian child grooming gangs? Can you update me on the Eastern European rape that's going on all over Britain, the 200,000 girls who have been raped by Ukrainian grooming gangs? Islam is uniquely incompatible with the West. When they get over 10 percent of the population, you have trouble. The reason that the French economy is stagnant is because they opened the border to the turd world. When you import the turd world, you get the turd world. And that's why there's this massive demand for welfare. Well, you guys at least concede that Bataclan was hidden. The media hid the atrocities and downplayed it because they didn't want to foment. Nobody downplayed it. What are you talking about? They censored the crap out of that story. Nobody downplayed the Bataclan massacre. I covered it myself. I covered Bataclan. I broadcast about it on the BBC on network television. I got death threats because I outlined all the atrocities that had been taking place. OK, so that sounds pretty censory to me. By these Islamists. They were Islamists. There's no doubt about it. They were. We did not get the details about the removing the genitals, putting them in people's mouths. We didn't get the details. Who commits the most mass shootings in America, Gavin? Pardon me? Who commits the most mass shootings in America? Mentally ill people on. The big pharma SSRIs. That's the number one group. It's usually. It's loonies. It's usually. The number two group. We have 1% Muslims in America. They are the number two group behind mass shootings. Actually, the majority of mass shootings, the massacres, are committed by young, disenfranchised, unhinged white males. That's absolutely false. Completely true. Apart from. I'm not talking about cities like Chicago where it's all about black on black crime. It's mentally ill people. If you look at the number of massacres. If you look at mass shootings of four or more, it's blacks. No, no. No, I'm not talking four or more. I'm talking about the big mass shootings, the really big ones which dominate the news because not the average ones just go by unnoticed every day. The big mass massacres are almost exclusively committed by young white men. Well, of course, in a country of mostly white people, you're going to have mostly white shooters. You'll notice that in Japan, most shooters are Japanese. Do you accept you have a white male shooter problem? Yeah, but my point is, by your argument, are you being overrun by white gunmen? Speaking of mentally ill white people, the past two years, the leaders in mass shootings have been trans people. We've had like five trans mass shootings. We have a mass murdering cult here called the Zizians that have already killed five people, including law enforcement at the Canadian border. So I wouldn't assume that the propaganda about evil white males mass shooting has any merit. Because if you look under. The rug, you're going to see Muslims, blacks, trans and big pharma making people go nuts. How many mass shootings in America have been committed by Muslims in the last 20 years? Well, we've got a Fort Hood guy about how many, how many percentage wise, how many percentage wise there's been in the past 40 years, there have been 80,000 jihadi attacks in the world. And you guys seem determined to ask you specifically how many of you talk. You want to talk about our country. You want to trash my country. West Side Highway. Hang on. Hang on, Gavin. Hang on, Gavin. You've got 9-11 that killed 2,000 people. Gavin. You've got San Bernardino that killed 13 people. Gavin, you've been very vocal trashing my country, being overrun by Islamists as we sit back and watch this happen. And yet you in your country have your own massive cultural problem, which is the gun culture, which has led to tens of thousands of people every year being killed by guns. Right. What are you doing about that? The answer, nothing. A million new guns get sold every month. I think it appears you're treading in the dangerous waters here. 400 million guns are in circulation. Because it's a racial thing. You've never done a damn thing about it. Right. So I could throw back the cultural. I could say to you you're being overrun by gun violence. So what would you say? Don't be so ridiculous. We have a serious problem with black culture in this country. The mass shootings you're talking about are 20 blacks killing 20 blacks a day. The dangerous shootings. No, they're not actually. The mass shootings I'm talking about. Are in gun-free zones. I'm talking about the. Like New York City. I'm talking about the mass shootings. South Side of Chicago. Not Compton and Watts. I am talking about. We've got Memphis. It's all black. I'm talking about the school shootings and the mass shootings like that. Go and check them. You'll see the majority are committed by young white men. So my point is you can frame a narrative any way you choose to. That's called cherry picking, you boob. 20 people are dying. There's a person. A black man was killed during this show. It's about one an hour. So a black man was killed by a black man during this show. And you're totally focused on this anecdotal evidence of Columbine and a couple of school mass shootings. I love the way I love the way you relevant. I love the way you downplay. It's exactly what you could accuse us of doing about the Islamist invasion. And my point is that neither. Two hundred thousand girls raped. How many school shootings have we had? How many students have died in mass shootings? Compare that to your Pakistani grooming gangs. You've got a much more serious problem. We have three hundred forty million people, by the way, in this country. You've got what? Sixty. So two hundred thousand is a hell of a number. Just all I want you guys to consider. Is the possibility that this Islamic revolution, these Muslims trashing everything, is totally different from your groovy hippie revolutions of past years. Ask Lara Logan. Muslims hit different. OK. Andrew, final word to you. The European countries, including Britain, are in serious trouble. The economies don't work anymore. They don't generate growth of jobs. The problem is compounded and becomes more toxic. Because of mass migration. These are serious issues that need serious answers and serious analysis. They are not helped by the load of bigoted bollocks we've heard tonight, which does nobody any good at all. It needs sober and realistic analysis to get on top of this. And let me just finish this idea that France is on the brink of an Islamist takeover. The Muslim population in France is around 10 percent of the total at the moment. And by the way, the vast majority. The vast majority are not Islamists. They're just Muslims. But people are just Christians. Or they're just. Yes, I'm not wrong. It's absolutely right. Even on the most generous. Catholics don't. No, no. Be quiet and you'll learn something else. This has been educational for you. Ah, des néseries, là. C'est toujours la même histoire avec vous. Mais évitez, c'est le mot français. On the most generous. Fermez la bouche. The most. Ferme ta gueule, tabarnak. The most generous forecast of Muslim growth of the French population. Will be that between 80 and 85 percent of France by 2050 will still be non-Muslim. So let's park that and start being serious and not listen to a bunch of blowhard. That's terrible news. loviators. On that note. 20 percent Muslim? On that note. That's bad news. I would have quite liked to hear you two debate in French, actually, because Andrews is just as good as yours, Gavry. Pour pas falser n'importe quoi. Unfortunately, we are finis. I find it quite hard. I don't know how to understand the Québécois accent myself, but never mind. Alors, je peux mettre un accent français, quoi. Vous êtes grandis, alors. It's like a different language if you speak French. Gentlemen, we are finis, I'm afraid. Thank you both very much. I appreciate it. Thanks, Spiers. Salut. Well, don't forget, this week we're proudly launching the Uncensored Club. Ad-free episodes, extra content, early access, Q&As, and everything else you've asked for. There's a massive founding members discount available now, as is this. This interview with our censored favorite, Dave Smith, which our members will get first. I'm not voting for a socialist, I'm not voting for a woke Democrat, and I'm not voting for a neocon. If there was a ballot and on the ballot is Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, at a certain point, I don't want to get into an argument about which one is worse than the other. I want to just, I want to reject the entire system. Don't launch a war of choice sold on lies on behalf of a foreign country and then lose the war. 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We're not able to independently verify when they were taken. One man who may have been more nervous than most this week is Dermot Hudson, a long-serving president of the Korean Friendship Association, often described in the press as North Korea's man in London. And he joins me in my studio now. Well, welcome to you, Dermot. Oh, good evening, Mr Morgan. Is Kim Jong-un. Is he alive or dead? He is very much alive. And firstly, I disagree with your characterisation of Marshal Kim Jong-un as a dictator. Really? Why? He is a people's leader. He is an elected leader. He is accountable to the Supreme. How many of these people is he killed? None. None? None. You don't think Kim Jong-un has killed any of his people? Except one individual, a traitor, who was found guilty. Of treason by a special military tribunal. So, Kim Jong-un has only been responsible for the death of one North Korean? Well, I wouldn't actually even say that he was responsible. So, none? It was a decision. It might be none. It was a decision of a special military tribunal because of long-running crimes of this. How many people is he tortured? None. None. Wow, really? But, anyway. How many of his. How many political opponents has he sent to, you know, prisons, gulags, and so on? Well, there aren't gulags in the. Well, there are, aren't there? That's a Russian word. I know what a gulag is. A gulag is a Russian word. I know, I know. But there. You know what I mean by gulag? Like a big, big oppressive prison somewhere. How many has he sent to those? None. Why are you so unbelievably deluded about this guy? Anyway, to sort of answer. Well, why are you so deluded? Well, to answer the points. You've raised. I mean, these rumours that were spread. I mean, I knew straight away that they were not true. How did you know? Because they were being made by some random Chinese person in New York on the internet who could not possibly know. Have you heard directly from Kim Jong-un? Well, no, but. Have you ever spoken to him? I've seen him on many occasions. Not spoken to him, but he's waved at me. You waved at you? How did that make you feel? Made me feel quite proud. Did it? Proud of what? Well, proud to be there. Proud to be? There at. When he was there. You know, it was actually celebrating a very important occasion, the 80th anniversary of the foundation of the Workers' Party of Korea. Right. You're a retired civil servant, right? Yes, that tends to get thrown at me. Are you? I worked for a government agency for, you know, 25 years. Not my choice. Do you speak Korean? I speak a few words of Korean. Can you give me, like. What does that mean? Thank you. OK. You've been there 20 times, I understand. 20 times, you've got that right. Yeah, to North Korea. To People's Korea, yes. North Korea? No, I call it People's Korea. Why do you call it People's Korea? I think that's a much better term. I mean, the correct title is Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but you can shorten it to People's Korea or Juche Korea or Socialist Korea. I mean, North Korea is simply a geographical term. Right. You, in 2017, you were recognised by the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the DPRK, with an official state decoration. You got a medal. Yes. Are you wearing it all? Yes. Which one is it? And you're proud of that? So, yes, I'm proud of that. What was it in recognition of? My work in developing friendship and exchange. And I'm proud of the change between Britain and the DPRK. Right. You are aware that it's been classified by the United Nations as a country that commits systematic, widespread human rights violations, crimes against humanity, has brutal political prison camps, as I said, carries out public executions, enforces total media and thought control, subjects its citizens to institutionalised forced labour, starvation, kills a lot of people. You seem completely oblivious to all this, Dermot. Well, I actually read some of that report. It's all made up? It is made up. All of it? Yes. Wow. And it's on the word of those people who had betrayed their country, those people who've been paid to lie. It's a fact and you can look it up. Those who leave the DPRK and go to South Korea and offer information can be paid. They can be paid up to nearly $1 million. Right. But you're free. That's on the BBC website. Right. But you. Don't take my word. OK, I won't take your word for it. Look it up on the BBC website. Tell me something critical about Kim Jong-un, something you don't like. Well, it's not really for me to say. Anything. Anything. I'm. Is there any aspect to his career or the way he runs the country which you would say is wrong? I'm not a DPRK citizen. It's not for me to say. Is there anything, though, that you would criticise about him? No. What would you criticise him about? Well, I mean, that's. Anything? Well, like I say, I'm not a DPRK citizen. I mean, I think he's one of the most ruthless dictators in modern history. In modern history? Yes. You seem to think. But how. You seem to think. But how can you say that? Well, because I base it on all the United Nations reports and everything else we know about it. How can you say that? Because that's what it is, North Korea. You seem. In modern history? Yes. Yeah. So when are you taking that from? The last 60, 70 years? Right. One of the most oppressive regimes in the world right now is North Korea. Well, that's just. And in mere fact, you can't even think of. That is just the cliché that is used to demonise the country. Really? And the so-called UN report is just. All made up? It's fake, yeah. Yeah. It's people's. So he's quite an angelic guy, really, is he? Well, I didn't. Kim Jong-un? You're putting words into my mouth. Is he? I mean, you say he's done nothing wrong. He is respected and liked by his people. Is he? And that song that was released in 2024, the song Friendly Father, that became a hit, not only in the media. He did kill his brother, didn't he? Not only. Did he kill his brother? Let me finish. Let me finish. Thank you very much. That song becomes. That song became a big hit, not only in the DPRK, but outside the DPRK, on TikTok. They've got millions. Putting aside his musical hits, he did kill his brother, didn't he? No. He didn't? That's also made up. Wow. All this stuff about North Korea and Kim Jong-un is made up, all of it. Well, yes. Incredible. It's made up by. He must be the most maligned and misunderstood human being in the world. Well, I. Only you, Dermot, appear to have worked out. the real Kim Jong-un. I think that the DPRK is one of the most maligned and demonised. Do you?. countries in the world, and it's been systematically demonised. The propaganda. Is there anything that it does, the DPRK, that you don't agree with? Well, again, that is not for me to say. I do not. Well, you're a free British citizen, aren't you? I do not live there, and even if there was. You go there 20. You've been there 20 times. Even if there was something. You wouldn't say it? No, I'm saying. Well, I'm saying if there was, it wouldn't make any difference. So there's no point in saying that. Do you keep a framed portrait of Kim Jong-un on a wall at home? I don't actually have one. Oh. Do you use the Internet freely? Well, a lot of the time. But recently, I don't. I don't have one. Oh. I don't have one. I don't have one. I don't have one. I don't have one. Oh. Do you use the Internet? Well, a lot of the time, but recently. But not when you go to North Korea, right? Oh, no. I used the Wi-Fi in the hotel when I was there. It's actually. You know it's against the law for everyday North Koreans to use the Internet? Really? You didn't know that? Well, which law? Which law? Which. Funny, because my guide used the Internet when he was there. So the Internet is freely available to all North Koreans? They can use it whenever they want? Yes. I'm not saying it's necessarily when they want. When are they allowed to? I don't think there's this draconian law that you said, but anyway, yes, I used the Internet when I was in the DPRK. to contact my family through WhatsApp and friends through Facebook. Is your haircut one of the 28 approved haircuts that you can have in North Korea? No. It's not? Wow. That is a myth. That is a myth. Is it? No. Really, you're coming out with very. I'm just trying to get to the truth, Dermot. You're coming out with very tabloid stuff, Pete. I'm a former tabloid editor, Dermot. It's in The Nature of the Beast, isn't it? I mean, I've obviously been massively misinformed about this oppressive regime. Yeah, right. Well, the haircut idea, we actually asked about that. We went to a place called the Munsu Waterpark, which is like a giant sports complex. We went into the hairdressers. We saw some pictures on the wall of different hairstyles. And. We asked the hairdresser, you know, is it true that there are state-approved haircuts? And the answer was no. The answer was no. Yeah. And I said, if we're asked by a customer for a particular haircut, we will try our best to do it. Do you wear blue jeans, though? Sorry? Do you wear blue jeans in North Korea? I stopped wearing jeans. When I was about 16, I considered it a bit juvenile. Do you have any piercings, Dermot? No. Because they're all banned, too. You know that. Or did your friend in the hairdresser's salon say that they can all wear what they like and have any piercings they like? But why are you sort of concentrating on very. I'm not entirely sure you've seen the real North. A minor, minor thing. I'm not entirely convinced you've seen the real North Korea. You might be a little delusional. Or you've been a little bit blinkered. Do you wear actual blinkers when you go there? Of course not. And I think you're being very insulting. To North Korea? To me as an individual. And to the DPRK. Maybe it's because, Dermot, I just think you're just carrying water for a ruthless dictator. And your refusal to admit he's ever been responsible for anyone dying or being sent to prison or any of the other things I put to you is willful delusion on your part. You've just become a useful idiot for them. And I'm just curious, why? Why? That's an old cliche, isn't it? Useful idiot. I'm not even sure you're that useful. I mean, you appear on shows like this and you just cover them. You just try and pretend none of it's true. I'm just curious why. Because it is not true. But it is true, Dermot. You're living in cloud cuckoo land. Of course it's true. It's one of the most depressive regimes in the world. Kim Jong-un orders terrible things to be done to his people every day, every week, every month. Because it's been widely reported by independent bodies, including the UN. You appear to be the only person in this country. The UN is a tool of the US. Got it. It's a marionette of the US. So none of these allegations are true. Nothing. They're not true. He's a blameless man of peace, beloved by his people. He's certainly a man of peace. He's certainly supported and loved by his people. He has more support. Do you love him?. than any Western. Do you love Kim Jong-un? I respect and uphold Comrade Kim Jong-un. Comrade? Is that what you call him? Yes. He's your comrade? Yes. You remember you're British, do you? Yes, of course. He's not actually your comrade, is he? You've never even met the guy. You're waved at him. Well, I've been very near to him. Right. Would you like to meet him? Yes. What would you say to him? Well, I'd just say, you know, that I respect his work and that I'm very happy to meet him. You respect his work? Yes. OK. Dermot, thanks for coming in. Thank you. 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