Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

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But to begin, can you describe what's being constructed now and what you think it means? Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with the incentives that are driving the entire apparatus. The institutions, all of them are built off of scale, growth, all these metrics. And most of the institutions that are tethered to people have financial incentives and incentives to grow annually from October to October. And what I see happening, especially with a lot of the institutions. That's where. Yeah, they exist in order to keep you tethered to them. So imagine like the analogy I use is like the umbilical cord. Everybody is tethered to the umbilical cord. I mean, your water and your power, for example, are tethered to the system, the infrastructure of the city or town that you live in. If something collapses, there's no contingency for anything independently to happen. Because the institution supposedly has a contingency plan. Well, what if they don't, right? The idea of firefighters and policemen, they patrol your neighborhoods because you pay taxes and you have buy-in, collective buy-in, that they're going to take care of you. But we understand from catastrophe that, you know, when seconds count, both of those first responders, including EMS professionals, are minutes away. They're not going to be there in enough time. If it's the self-defense shooting, if it's the car accident, they're really there picking up the pieces in many cases. And so the idea for me is like, I want people to be self-reliant. I just want them to have independence. You know, I have a well, for example, not everybody could have a well in their backyard. I get that. But there are other elements to this where you can have independence, protein from the grocery store. I mean, you go to the grocery store, you buy protein. It's in a nice styrofoam container with sulfane and pig gel. You have no idea where it came from. So I want you to insource your dependence and become more self-reliant. Well, if you have an institution that, by design in the name of safety, for example, is surveilling you, they're telling you, and now private companies are telling you through the subcontract. They're telling you that we're going to make you safer. And so you don't need to do anything. I actually just connected this talk because we were having breakfast and I was talking about it. Like, I gave the analogy of like walking to Target, right? I'm walking to a bad guy's house. In some cases, because of the technology integrated, I didn't have to pull security. So I'm holding a rifle like using my infrared flood light and laser to go around every single bush and tree because I'm like, there's something behind there. The aircraft above me that costs millions of dollars has a flare pod that could assess heat. And so there would be the case where it says, hey, there's no need to pull security walking to the objective. We got you. And then a guy is buried underneath the foliage or a palm grove and then he detonates a suicide vest and kills your whole team because you weren't paying attention. So that's the analogy that I say about this integration of tech. The more it grows, the larger it gets, the more reliant you are on that system. And the more your personal safety is actually compromised. So I think there are two insights on what she just said that I hadn't really occurred to me. One, it's the nature of the system like cancer to grow. It just that's that's encoded in the DNA of all of these systems is growth. That's the center of our kind of business model, national business model scale. So like flock, for example, I don't even know where flock existed until fairly recently. What's the growth of flock been like? Yeah, 2017 flock camera because it's camera. It's singular. It was just a camera for an HOA and a homeowner's association and the idea was like, let's build this camera, let's tether solar to it to keep it generated and see how this works. Well, here we are nine years later in scale. And there's not real good numbers because they don't advertise the numbers. But the estimate today is there's 120,000 flock cameras across the United States. So the intention was like, hey, this neighborhood watch wants to put out a camera because there's some things going on with HOA. And then we scale it nine years later, it's 120,000 with billions of reports every single month that take place with license plates and vehicles and descriptions, et cetera. Now if you look at that scale as it's kind of like segmented because other companies are getting smart. Like again, if I start a company, the point is to scale, to grow, to compete. So now we have a competing market of flock like camera systems. So in the case of California without the damage brand name, without the damage brand name, you know, I was thinking about this when I was actually coming here because every time I drive through my town of Hebrew City, Utah, there are a couple points in town where if you drive through the intersection, you'll drop cell phone reception. And every time I drop cell phone reception and I'm no signal intelligence or signal communications expert, I drive through the intersection I see a flock camera as soon as my cell phone drops. And I'm like, I wonder what that is. Maybe it's interference, maybe it's not even real. But I'm noticing more flock cameras in my area. Well, flock would only have to change the form factor in the company name. Now, thanks to public outcry and the attention it's deservingly getting, it's not likely to do that clandestine way that's going to be leaked and people are going to talk about it. I'll be talking about it. But the scale that I'm seeing now, for example, in California and Texas, is now now there are camera systems operating, for example, looking for violations of code. So you imagine you live in a neighborhood, code, so code violations like you have a RV parked in your driveway and you're not supposed to, right? By the way, if anybody's tracking these stories, most of the code violations they're finding are happening in impoverished areas where they don't have an HOA that's managing, pulling up in front of somebody's driveway and saying, "Oh, you have an RV and you're parking lot." That's not allowed. And the guy's like, "Yeah, no problem. I just moved my RV." Most of it's not RVs. It's damaged fences, it's mailboxes that are ripped down because it's all poor neighborhoods. So apparently they found thousands of code violations in a couple of days actually bragging about it. Like we found all these code violations and now we can wrangle them in. Okay. It wasn't a problem before. Now you built the infrastructure to look at it and assess it. Now it's a big problem. You've created a lot more criminals. And so it's the idea, like, the idea isn't what's happening now because right now it's like, yeah, there's problems. In fact, I have a thesis or theory on what's going to happen. But when you look at scale, Facebook was designed to be a social interactive way for college students to communicate with other. Now they just settled a lawsuit for like $14 billion for child exploitation. So where have we come in scale? Well, we didn't know we were going to land at child exploitation when we were looking at integrating dorm rooms to be able to communicate with one another. Exactly. So if we look at scale today and how things evolve, this year alone, actually, 107 different cases reported, there's probably more, situations where fought cameras were damaged. And when you take 107, in some cases, dozens of fought cameras were damaged. Vandalized. Vandalized. So there's reports of this happening because people are upset. Yeah. How does this evolve? Well, in my personal opinion, I think it evolves where we think about civil war. I don't think there's going to be a civil war against people because it's not the people that are the problem. It's the institutions in the relationship with people. And when people look at tech, it's a bot. There is no victim. When I take down a, a flock camera and destroy it with a baseball bat, there's no victim. I'm doing good. And I'm not advocating for anybody to do this to break the law. But what I'm saying is the scale of how this evolves is rebellion. Because everything that's being integrated before, like Facebook, from 2004 to present, scaled, except we don't need 20 years of scale when you have AI acceleration. And then the power, I think the benefit in one of the powers of social media of advancing information across and disseminating across the globe, you see the potential of mass spikes in this graph, whereby you're going to have a lot of rebellion, insurgency, like you've never seen it before, patriotism, like you've never seen it before, fighting the systems that are basically trying to take away humanity. You're getting me really excited, Mike Glover, I have to say. Sorry, not that I'm endorsing any, this is a thesis, this is a theory, my hypothesis. This is best case, we're all of a sudden in the country unites, the people unite against the machines. How is that not like Utopia? They will. 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I can care less about what's going on in the White House because it's not because you shouldn't pay attention to what's happening policy wise, you should, you should be informed. But my reality revolves around my family, my love of God and my community. The fear I have now is, for the first time in my life, I'm seeing in Utah, a great state to live in. Like one of my favorite state, because I live there, I love it, I love the people of Utah. But for the first time, I'm seeing people like an elder box county, or people in Ogden Valley fighting against property tax, fighting against data centers, and the politicians that are appointed elected in those positions aren't listening for the first time. Like, I was like, well, obviously, when, you know, for five hours, people protest and say, we don't want this, they're members of the community that were elected by the people in that community. They're not going to follow through with that. That's my biggest fear, because I always tell people like, you fight for your faith and your family and your community. I got a shirt that says, God, family, prepping, in that order. Yes. And so, the fear is now, it's like, institutionally, the federal government doesn't have a lot of impact on your life. It can. I'm a veteran. I do a VA. It does. But the reality is the things that are going on in your backyard are more significant that you should be invested in. And for the first time, I'm seeing people combat, argue, legislate, and they're getting crushed. I mean, Ogden Valley's property tax went up 500%. Like what, like 500%. That's not nominal. That's not like a small number. That's a big number for working families who lose your house over that. You'll lose your house over that. And so, I'm seeing that. So when people confronted local legislative, you know, the city council, or whomever runs it, the local officials, they just ignored them. Box Outer County is a good example. The status center, that Kevin Leary, got behind. Look, I, there's, I don't, the estimate is wild because it's thousands of data centers, but there's no real, like, exact number. The estimate's four to five thousand. So if we take data centers that exist, the one that exists, I forget what county, it's in Utah, that meta owns, they're like advancing that and making it very large. I'm talking about, you know, it's like, I think it's like millions of acres. It's like massive, like massive build, Box Outer County, they didn't stop the project after all the outcry of support from the community and the entire state of Utah. And really, the country that was like, what are you guys doing? They're like, it's in the middle of a field. There's nothing there. But the people of Utah don't want that. So why are you doing it? And they continue to fight it. And I checked in yesterday on this project, I talk about it nearly every other week on my show on my podcast, and it's still going forward and you're like, how is that possible? Like who are the people that are supporting this? Where are they at? Where are their voices at? And what is their justification? And then you find out there's like back door deals and a whole bunch of drama around it in bribery and bribery and everything else. And so it, even for me, in Hebrew city in Wasatch County, which I think is the best county in Utah, where I live, I'm disconnected from that. But soon you may feel the same. You're like, it doesn't matter because it's down the road or it's across the state or it's in another state. Eventually, because of the scale, the hyper scale of everything we're doing, it could be in your backyard next week. That flock camera that you talk about and you virtue signal about because you're like, yeah, screw flock, flock cameras. It's like, it might be at the intersection where you live pointing at your house because they do that. They point them at little girl's gymnastics events, which, you know, the CEOs catching crap before, which he should. And it's like, what are you guys doing? And then when it does populate, what are you going to do? Well, if you're not prepared, you don't have a plan. They're not integrated in your community because you're just kind of checked out. Well, that's, that's a problem because all your self-reliance that you've outsourced so easily is, is going to be affected in impact. So that's the second insight that really struck me in your thesis, which is that technology is not simply a threat because of what it might do to you, what it might compel you to do or prevent you from doing. It's a threat because it weakens you because you become reliant on it. It's like the Google map program, you know, and you just like use that for 10 years and see if you know where you are. And I mentioned this to you before we were talking about this at breakfast and you're the greatest line ever. You said, after using Google Maps, you'll just like follow the line they give you under a sidewalk. You'll drive through a shopping mall because you're just following it. It says. There's the line there. And it's, it's, it's true. I mean, if you think about it from this perspective, my, my experience is obviously the military. I was in special operations and I was a sniper at one point. And I was a team sergeant had a group full of a team full of like rock stars, right? And they were all independently schooled in sniper operations. They had to go to special forces sniper course, which used to be called SOTIC, special operations target interdiction course, delta snipers, special forces snipers, ranger snipers, in some cases go to this school house to be qualified. All my guys were qualified. And meaning they were very competent in sniper operations. They knew how to use a sniper weapon system. At one point, for some reason, and likely it came top down, I was told, "Hey, we want to put a camera in your optic." And I was like, "For what?" Like, "Why do you want a camera in the optic?" It's like, "Oh, we want to be able to see it. There's this technology and it integrates into the tactical operations center. We could see it." And then I'm like, "Yeah, but I'm on comms." So if you think you're going to micromanage my snipers through a camera with communications, there's latency there. And one, it's no, but two, I don't want this to ever happen. I don't want my sniper to second guess his actions because he's being viewed for a viewfinder, and because you don't like something you see, you try to communicate, "Let's not do that. That latency will get my sniper killed. Let's not do that." And then it never happened. But that's an example of how this integration always works. I mean, here's a great example, the healthcare system, right? The healthcare system buy-in is that if you want to get through a difficult circumstance, a bacterial infection, a stomach ache that requires, I don't know, penicillin, you have to go through a process, an entire system. So our grandmothers, our fathers might have taught us about holistic medicine, like independency. That's what it was. Actually, holistic medicine was just a requirement because it was life 100 years ago. You had to be resilient because it was just life, right? There was no pharma. There was no big pharma. There was no big healthcare systems. You had to take care of yourself and your family, you had to figure it out. So when you look at, for example, the healthcare system, I actually just heard this last night, flying here. The third leading cause of death, according to this podcast between Huberman and Rogan, which is a great podcast, by the way, dropped yesterday. That podcast, they talked about a number of how many people were killed because of medical malpractice, died because of medical malpractice. In one year, 251,000 people, according to Americans, a quarter million Americans died in one year because of. Quarter million Americans. So according to, again, you guys could look this up, according to the statistic they pulled up by John Hopkins. And I'm like, okay. And then I was asking the question in my head, where does that rank in leading causes of death? That's like a, that's a city. That's a city. Top three. That's actually the third leading cause of death if it was actually reported, but it's not reported because John Hopkins had to do the independent survey to look at the statistics. But if you integrate it, it's right behind cardiovascular or, or basically, you know, any cardiovascular disease, which is the main killer in America, and cancer, I think it would be lower respiratory disease would be in the third place slot if it wasn't for 250 plus thousand people dying because of medical malpractice and error. Come on. Which is wild, right? So think about the efficiency of the systems we depend on. If you knew that you went into a hospital late at night and they talked about this, they articulated this when a doctor has been on shift for 12 hours, which is, he's technically drunk when he's on shift for 12 hours. I mean, you can't drive in some cases because you're so impaired. I mean, so he's making decisions, life or death decisions and 250 plus thousand people, 251,000 people, apparently die every year because of it. So again, the institution is meant to protect you and the name of safety, national security, whatever it may be. But the reality is because institutions, I like this idea, men or centers, every man is a center. We all fall for fall short. And you align that into an institution, according to the Bible, the institution is for good. You're supposed to have it for good. The government is for good. But what it does, I don't think institutions are evil. I think people are inherently flawed and they have no other expectation that they're not. And then eventually the truth reveals itself. Yes. So all these institutions that we hope the best for, like many of my good friends say, hope is not a course of action, eventually the truth reveals itself and they're broken. Now, the problem is, what do we do with broken systems? That's another question. But the reality is the dependency you have on these systems across every single facet of the Embilical Court connected is failing. So maybe the better analogy is like the Embilical Court is connected to the mom who just started smoking crack. And if you want to prolong this, yeah, we know what that looks like. We know the outcome. So you need to cut the Embilical Court and you need to start insourcing your own reliance in order to survive. And I say that and I mean it, I mean, survive because more of your dependency where people go, well, Mike, you just call 911, yeah, but you'd be dead. Yeah. But what else would I do? Oh, that's where our conversation on Preparedness started. I mean, I feel like we should have learned this during COVID. We should probably have learned it during Hurricane Katrina, you know, 21 years ago. You know, natural disaster occurs in a major American city and the people whose job it is to help you just melt away because they've got their own family problems. Yeah. So most of the snacks you could buy your local corporate grocery store are not real food. At all, they're made of weird chemicals, kinds of ingredients you can pronounce. 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I'm not going to teach you to survive when you're naked and afraid in the woods because if you're naked and afraid in the woods, you've made a lot of mistakes, right? You've screwed along. Why are you naked in the woods? That's a fairly, you know, that's a totally fair question, Mike. Yeah. So everybody thinks survival is like the naked and afraid show and all these things. It's like survival for me is like the modern take on it. Well, if you're naked in the woods alone, it's also weird. It's also weird. Yeah. There's a lot of things that can get you. And so I don't, I look at that and I go, look, a modern survival take on this is you need to look at all the institutions you're tethered to and figure out ways to start segmenting yourself away from them and building your dependency. I mean, it's why I advocate, for example, for homeschool. I mean, my kids right now are in a great school in the public education system in Utah for elementary school. But when they get through the basics of arithmetic and everything else and they're advancing into social studies, I don't want them learning about things that I want them learning about. So I'd like to homeschool them. We talked about protein. If you don't, if you don't insource your protein and there's any infrastructure threats, whatsoever, which there are all the time, I mean, diesel's higher than it's ever been. the infrastructure could have. one impact or catastrophe and the entire apparatus shuts down. I talk about it every week on survival dispatch with a group of guys who are experts at this in the general synthesis that one little thing can affect the outcome of all the things that you're tethered to. So the Walmart down the road has a couple weeks of supply. What happens when everybody goes, we learn this from COVID and gets everything off the shelf. It's empty. What happens if the truck that's driving down, they strike the war in Iran accelerates and that entire apparatus gets cut off, then you don't have any food. If you don't hunt, if you don't know how to hunt, if you've never gone fishing, if you haven't insourced anything, maybe it's a good time to sit down and have the conversation with your family and just start there with some basics. It's not that complicated. You mentioned homeschooling at first, so that's a much more complex system than, say, getting protein. Like you could stockpile. Conceivably, a year's for the protein in your garage, it's not that hard, you can buy it in Amazon. But you're thinking about separating yourself from a pretty basic system, like education, public education. Yeah. Public education is an easy one because we know all the drama that's happened over the last few years, especially with COVID, even with California, they destroyed these kids, likely long term because they kept them out of schools and social settings and kept them isolated. I mean, like basically putting your children in solitary, actually putting somebody else's children in solitary environment. And we know that that's having long-term effects or a public education system is garbage. It's disgusting. I mean, I'm proud of Utah's public education system because I'm integrated. I have conversations with the principles of these schools. I talk and walk them through their security plan. I want to know because I don't want my children to be and you wall day. Another reason why it aggravates me that we have this dependency when parents are trying to get into the school to save their kids and you're keeping them out because you're going to contain the area and just let these kids die, right? So the school system is a bigger problem. But when I look at all the elements, for me, it starts with security because security is like very intimately a part of my military experience and something I was taught as a 17-year-old infantryman. You never violate security. It's one of the principles of patrolling. And when I think about security, how many people are secure? I mean, the majority of people are not secure. Meaning how many people know what to do when somebody kicks in their door in the middle of the night? But what do you do when somebody comes up to you and threatens you with a gun? What do you say? What are your actions? How do you manage that stress? What happens after the fact? Like these are all questions that are just potentially part of the worst part of life, the catastrophe in life, but we never look at them. 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Virginia Tech, 2007. - I was there, remember? - That was physically there, wasn't it? - Yeah, it happened. - Did you do the reporting on it? - I did, yeah. - Tragic circumstance, unbelievable. - This guy walks into this hall. It's basically dorm rooms and kills two people. He leaves that place, and this is fascinating 'cause a massive error by Virginia Tech. Two hours later, he goes into another building that has school still in session. - Yeah. - And it's obvious that they should have locked down and shut down the school, they did not. So he goes into this building and classes in session and he locks and chains the doors behind them. And he goes from room to room, killing every single student and faculty memory he comes across. In some rooms, he goes through and the percentage of people who were shot in the head, for example, was above 90%. The overwhelming majority of them were basically assassinated, killed in place. The acronym for an active shooting is run hide fight. There's many problems with that acronym, including the idea that, where are you running? Maybe assess the information or the situation. I would hate for you to lock yourself down in a building that's a mile away from where the shooting's taking place on the same campus, by the way, 'cause campuses could be that large. So you just lock yourself down, run and hide into a closet, a mile away from this while something's happening when you could have just ran an extra 100 feet to the parking lot and got your car in drove away. Anyways, so most of them died underneath their desk. And part of the problem was, there's many problems, but the protocols were the problems. Many students had no plan. They didn't know what to do. And so they shut the doors and then barricaded them, 'cause they, in some cases, couldn't even lock the doors. He just went in and shot up the door and then opened the door and forced his way in and then killed many people in those rooms. 32 people before, you know, after words, he took his own life. When we look at that circumstance, there's an interesting thing that happened that's noted in Amanda Ripley. She wrote a book called Unthinkable, I believe it was called, really good book. And she talks about this one student underneath the desk who thought, he thought he was shot. So he says in a reflex about this, that when those shooter came in, he was so scared, he didn't know what to do, so he froze. And he thought to himself that, I'm gonna pretend like I'm dead. He thought he'd thought that. And so he did. And then he thinks he was bypassed and then everyone in that classroom subsequently was shot. Many died and a couple survived. At the end of it, when it was time to move, he couldn't move. He physically could not move his body. And he thought to himself, I was shot. I just don't remember her or know when it happened. I was shot. And the point of that is he wasn't shot. And what we often don't assess in these type of scenarios is how the nervous system operates. - Yes, right? - There's something called hyper arousal. I'm actually writing a book about this from my second book, a book about a hyper arousal? - About that type of arousal. But fight or flight, it's got a really bad rap. It's a stigma associated with it. 'Cause it's like, you don't wanna go into fight or flight 'cause it's bad. Everybody potentially will go in fight or flight. I did in Afghanistan my first gun fight because it actually wasn't a gun fight. It was 107 millimeter rockets. And nobody prepared me for that. Like a freight train impacting the earth with a large kill radius that was super loud and scary. And like everybody's gonna die and like, I have to work through that. I wasn't like calm in condition for it. 'Cause it wasn't the gun fight in the woods. Like I was train at Fort Bragg and North Carolina. - Yeah, exactly. - So he was hype bow aroused. Which is the opposite of hyper aroused, right? He was under aroused. Why did that happen? Well, it's something called, I mean, some people call it the fate or fawn response. It's actually called tonic immobility. And tonic immobility in the process of maybe spiking adrenaline and cortisol, nor epinephrine. I'm so scared, oh my gosh. And then everything locks up. Hyper vigilant, hyper focus, blood shunting to large muscle groups. I'm prepared. fight or flight. But in this, it's the law after the spike whereby I'm immobilized. And the tactic biologically or a lot of scientists discuss is that if you're a prey and you're getting preyed upon and you know you're going to die, a last-ditch effort is to collapse in place. Maybe I have seen animals do this. Yeah, maybe signaling to the predator that you're sick, tainted, or maybe even dead. And then a lot of predators feed off mobility, off of movement. They want to live. I mean, my son's lizard. If I have a worm that's dead and I'm like, here, eat this worm. He's just like, don't think so. But if it's like squirming, he's like, oh, that's the trigger, right? So tonic immobility is what he went through. Well, they don't tell you about tonic immobility is that it's a button. And once the button's pushed, opiates, natural opiates, dump into your body. And so the feeling of him like being sedated and I can't move, it wasn't because of fear. I mean, fear might be the initiation device. It was because of the process of tonic immobility. Women who are and Ben could be in the category too that are sexually assaulted, often just talk about the the idea that like they were frozen in place. They couldn't do anything about it. And they were, they felt like they were sedated. And I wanted to fight, but I couldn't fight. And I feel guilty for it. You couldn't fight it. Your actual biological ancestral system was designed to flip the switch for you to survive to play dead. So it's not your fault. Number one, number two, that's how the process works. The whole point of that is the button in us exist. And so if we don't understand and we can't manage stress and understanding of how disaster works is disaster is just a amplified version of stress. I mean, it's just stress in a cloud that's suppressing our abilities, right? If we don't operate and condition ourselves for that, then we're not prepared for any catastrophe. Because the first indication that something's potentially happening or going wrong by intuition, by your senses, by your vagus nerve, that's kind of detecting the world around you, your palms might sweat. And you might go, oh, I feel nervous, like something's wrong. But our intuition is like, whatever, it doesn't matter. And then, and then you see the rock falling down the hillside and you're like, oh, that's crazy. Let me pull out my cell phone and record it. But we're losing our natural instincts and our intuition. And we're tethered to, again, to the cell phone and technology that we think's going to bell us out. And it's not the reality is it's not. And so the whole montage, the reason for the montage is before we could kind of understand what to do in catastrophe, we need to understand ourselves. Lastly, I mean, think about your baseline. What is your baseline for reacting to everyday stress? Not to like the catastrophe, but everyday stress, things you do with most Americans baseline because of social media, because of the cell phone, because of their obsessions with Lindsey Clancy and all the things that are going on in the world is our baseline is now changed. So whereby a primitive reaction and fight or flight would be to fight the predator to survive, we're now bashing our heads against the steering wheel, willing to get it in a gun fight with another citizen of our town because they cut us off or are the dishes in the sink is triggering us. The way our kids talk to us, what they're doing, trigger us. And so our baseline to manage stress overall is already affected in flawed. So how are we going to manage a catastrophe? And I've seen it. I've been a first responder at the scene of accidents. And I've seen people completely check out, just drive by like there's a guy flipped upside down. He's hanging outside the outside of the vehicle. They're smoke under the hood. And you just drive by it because you got places to go like that. I got things to do, man. And then you don't even care about your fellow citizen. And so we don't have a good understanding and baseline of our normal everyday life because it's overwhelming to us. Right. 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Women actually have a decibel range in their registry that if spiked, they'll go into fight or flight immediately. For men, it's not the same. If you see men's reacting to drill sergeants and basic training, having graduated basic training at 17 years old at Fort Benning, no problem with guys screaming in my face. But a woman, once that decibel range spikes, once the red line is hit, immediately cortisol is dumb, adrenaline surges, and then they're in reptile brain. They're in sympathetic nervous response. They think they're fighting further. What does that look like? Well, typically it looks like a lot of hyperfocus, cognition shuts down because it disconnects from the brain. The brain is a liability to survival, primitively. Of course. But now we have, again, this tethering of all of these institutions, for example, one of the first things that you should likely do in a situation outside of fighting in the circumstance is reaching out to 9-1-1, right? Call 9-1-1. Get EMS rolling. We want them rolling in route and not even stressful situations, fender benders. People can't even talk to the police. I mean, they can't communicate basic information because they're so surged with that. So what I just ultimately, what I tell people is like, if you can't balance the things in your everyday life because you can't manage the stress, you're going to have a hard time managing the gunfight. The catastrophe. Yes. Just to go back to something and just said, when you scream at women, you get close to them and scream, like, what are they? They slap you? Do they seem paralyzed? How do they respond? Variant responses. I mean, I do this, obviously, formally in classes. One of the points of decision point is we focus so much on the self-defense act. the drawing of the gun and the act, too much emphasis, because there are many steps, including recognizing the go/no-go criteria for what my decision-making is to use deadly force, right? I need that kind of understanding. I need that utaloup of understanding of how I'm going to assess this information. And so what I tell people is like, you know, it's a 70 degree day. You're shooting on a flat range. No obstacles. It's a beautiful day. You're creating a hole with your bullets on the target. You're shooting the bullet through the hole you created. Congratulations. That's not at all how a gun fight works. That's not combat. That's not catastrophe. So when I scream at the person, I'm eliciting their neurological response to me screaming. In some cases, I'll tell you about this lady who came in my class. And if I run an all-woman's class, you'll get the majority of the women that are in that class wanting to go through the training to empower themselves, which I applaud them for. For sure. Because men just show up because they want to take a picture of my Glover in like, #, you know, she better than Mike, whatever it is, like a cool guy stuff, right? But women go there because they actually want to repair something that potentially was broken or they saw something happen. And I didn't realize this until after this experience. One of my scenarios, how to do with ATM machines. So the disadvantage of ATM machine, especially at night, is you're blinding yourself with the ATM LCD display. And then you're in darkness. Your back's completely exploitable and you're taking money out. And if the bad guy is going to get you, he's going to get you in that moment where you're staring at a machine trying to get money, which you should never do in the middle of the night in a bad area, right? It happens though. You look at the ATM thefts, that's typically how it happens. The majority, by the way, of bad guy engagement, anything happens at night, by the way. It doesn't happen in daytime, but we train 99% in the daytime, but that's another thing. So in the scenario, I walk up behind her with a Simunitions pistol. So it's a pistol that shoots basically a piece of plastic, right? It hurts, but obviously doesn't injure you or kill you, and you have to wear a protective equipment. I walk up to her and she's staring at an iPad that's simulating at ATM and I shove the gun in her back and I tell her some expletives that I would never communicate to anybody and act like a bad guy, but I do so yelling at her and telling her I'm going to hurt her. And immediately she breaks down into the fetal position and starts crying because I trigger to her trauma. And often, and we talked about this a little bit, especially as it relates to psilocybin and some of the things, when you have trauma and it's in you, it's dormant and there is a trigger device attached to that. Imagine your trauma is like a bundle of TNT, not C4 because that's more stable like wet TNT. There's an initiation device, maybe a plunger because that's a good analogy, like the plunger. That exists. And if you're at managing or conditioning or understanding that trauma, that trauma could be the liability that's on standby when catastrophe strikes. And so at the moment, at the precipice of decision point, where you're like, I got a plan because I talked about it, rehearsed it in my head and I'm going to do all this cool guy's stuff. And then the trigger is met, you have no option, it's plunged and then it blows up. And then that switch we talked about the button, the tonic immobility, that's what happened to her. And so I picked her up and I turned on the lights and all the women there were like in shock. And I had never seen anything like this before. I'm learning about this as I go. I'm almost doing like a studies on people and taking data points in my head at least. And I take a step back and I pick her up and I like, oh, I'm like, why did this happen? She told me she had been a victim of assault in a similar scenario with a pistol, filling helpless, likely in a state of hypzoarousal. And so I walked her through it, I coached her, we trained, she built the confidence and we did the same exact drill, just a walk through version of it. And she pulled the pistol out of her waistband and she shot me in the stomach with protective equipment on. And afterward she said when she broke those shots, it was like, you ever heard the dream where you have the gun and you can't, you pull the trigger and nothing happens? Yeah, yeah. Or you go to punch and then you're punching the person and it's not having an impact or effect. She said she was stuck in that loop for years. And then when she pulled the trigger and was able to break the shot in my stomach, it released something. But the reality is she was just conditioning herself out of trauma for condition stress to be able to work through it. And I know that's a long winded version of it. But the reality is we focus and preparedness on technical capability for sure when that's the easy part that you earn those reps on your own, work through that on your own. You got that. The hardest part is understanding the infrastructure behind it. So there's a lot going on in the world as we often say, a new war in the Middle East, closure of the straight-of-horn moves, the global energy crisis. If you're not convinced that you have an obligation to think about the future, nothing will. Stability can disappear really, really quickly. That's unfortunately true. Most Americans have no idea where the basic necessities of life actually come from, but we can tell you this, probably not your backyard, and that's a problem. Global supply chains are unreliable, so you need to make sure you've got what you need to protect your family if the system is break down. And they could. Not forever, but they could definitely break down. And that is the reason that we built last country's supply. We're not crazy, okay? We're not living in bunkers, but people need to think about self-reliance, becoming self-reliant on the most basic needs, food, water, energy, light. So whether you're a seasoned prepper or simply want to become more self-sufficient and both are great, go to lastcountrysupply.com/tucker for supplies. You can trust things you will need when you need the most. That's lastcountrysupply.com/tucker. People are paralyzed by the stress of an unexpected emergency. Yeah. I think anyone who's ever been in a situation like that is amazed by just a physiological response to it. You can't talk, you can't move, and it doesn't have to be the gunfight. It could be someone who calls you and tells you your family member was diagnosed with cancer. Yeah, you're getting car crash or whatever, but I think everyone has had an experience like that. So you think technology leaves us less prepared for moments like the less resilient overall. I mean, as a nation, there's many reasons why we're not resilient but less resilient overall. How does AI affect this? Picture. It wants to automate everything. And so if you look at the AI integration, the biggest risk by experts, not me, by experts, is that it makes us not want to use our brains. And the default, so like the analysis from an AI expert is like the everyday mapping and statistics and the things that we do. But we're not considering catastrophe or contingency. So in a perfect world, AI is basically setting us up for failure because we become lazy. But what happens if we become lazy and part of the foreign adversary analysis is we're exploitable? Oh, we're complacent. More complacent than we have ever been. Oh, and the idea that like foreign adversaries aren't investing in making us more complacent, that's been proven. They did that. They've been doing that forever. Spy games decades ago, now integrating into every single facet of social media to do it. And they're playing the long game. I mean, China has a 5,000 year plan. We have, we're living day to day, just getting by. Getting on everybody else's manufacturing and origin story and process. And so that's the problem with AI integration is it's not what it does to us by making us lazy. It's what happens when we're lazy, complacent, and completely exploitable. Then you're vulnerable, of course. We're completely vulnerable. But also, I mean, indolence is bad. Nature is poisoning over time, if you stay in bed all day, you get bed sores, you need resistance to stay human, don't you? You need friction, right? The most often question that I get is typically built around resilience and how can I become more resilient? And I had the luxury, and it was a luxury because I volunteered for it all. I was an infantryman, I went to Ranger training, Airborne training, Green Beret training. I was a guard at the, I don't know if you know this, I was a guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier. Really? Yeah. I was a very handsome man for that job. I was handsome. Minus the beard. I say, because I do think like appear, you know, all the guys look squared away at that job. Yeah, I was. I was, I was squared away at some point. I did that and. the nature of my job and my duties and responsibilities were difficult. And so everything I went through, I was volent-told that you're gonna do, and it build resilience. And then there's something magical that happens. And a lot of my peer group, the Andy Stumps, the Evan Haifers, the Joccos, Sean Ryan talks about it. Like, if you wanna build resilience, you do hard things, right? When you do hard things, there's something that happens though. I actually think there's a gene for this. It's a mechanism of survival for sure over time. I mean, if me and you, we're like sitting here comfortably in this beautiful place, if it wasn't for the sacrifice of all the men and women that bred our DNA before us, we would be here living in luxury. Yes. It's because of their resilience, adversity, fighting through the most difficult of time. A teenage girl gave birth in a cave during a snow storm to make this possible. A hundred percent. A lot of them. And we're, we're, we're, we won the life lotto. Because we're born in America. And we have this amazing opportunity. And we're here when the majority of the world does not have that. Right. So if you, if you kind of backwards assess it, it's because of the resilient that was built over time. And what happens magically when you actually execute on these, I think natural desires, like my, my sons are warriors. I didn't teach them to be warriors. They pick up sticks and start fighting each other like they're Spartans. Yeah. And it's ingrained in them. I didn't say, hey, do this. Like my sons, my, my beautiful son, Leland's, Leland's such, such a beautiful name. My daughter's name is Ila, and then I've been in Penelope. But Leland, for his third birthday last weekend, I bought him a Spider-Man Pinyata, which is awesome. Got a big Spider-Man head, upper torso. And he's like, what the, he doesn't know what it is. It's like part of a body, a Spider-Man and say every character. I said, no, there's candy in it. He's like, okay. And I hand him a stick, never seen a Pinyata in his life. And he walks over to Spider-Man without prompting and knocks the head off it. Like he's like a professional baseball player. And then he just shoves his hand in the neck of the Spider-Man head that he just knocked off. He shoves his hand in the neck and pulls out candy. But you never told him to to capotate Spider-Man. Never told him to, he didn't know anything about it. And he literally naturally looked at it and went, okay. He had it on instinct. He'd be headed on instinct. Stuck his little, his, his actually fat little hand inside of the neck and pull out candy and started grubbing. It's so great. And it's just, it's in this, it's in grain. And so when you start doing difficult things, you start wanting to do more of that. And I love that. Like when I go camping with my kids, like they love it. I love it. And it's uncomfortable. But when they get settled in comfort, they have a desire to go back into being uncomfortable. 100%. I go camping every week, actually. Same every week. Every off going Thursday afternoon. Yes. And for exactly that same reason, you know, alone with my dogs. Because I, for exactly that same reason, it's so deeply, addivistically satisfying. Like there's something hard to describe, but that is really important that roots you. Yeah. And think about where AI technology is the opposite of that. Yeah. It's French toast and bed forever forever. We're more satisfied with the alternate reality we're creating online than we are the reality reality that we live in our daily lives. And everybody's paying the price for it. Our relationships. Our relationship with God. Our relationship with our children. And we're completely disconnecting. And we talk about it on podcast. But nobody actually has the discipline to live it. And to actually create parameters that's going to fix and maintain or retain some balance in your life. Do you think it leads to grave unhappiness, too? Yeah. I don't think I'm imagining that. I think not having enough, well, hard work, not having the ability to do things for yourself, lacking self-reliance, being served luxury, basically living in the Ottoman harem, makes you suicidal after a while. Lindsey Clancy popped in my head because she was privileged. Yeah. She had a nanny. She had a beautiful home, a seemingly loving situation with her family. And for her, it was the worst case scenario. What's the suicide rate in rural Central Africa versus the suicide rate in Greenwich, Connecticut? Exactly, it's zero. It's literally zero. And so when you look at that type of scenario where we're at, it's like, wow, when we have it so good, we're the most unhappy we've ever been in humans. Exactly. That's exactly right. So why, but now we're hearing from the heads of these companies, most of whom I know personally, I don't know that any of them, you'd say, is like evil, even though I think they're doing evil, but they don't seem evil personally. To me, they love their children and all that, but their promise is more ease. Like no one's gonna have to work. Everyone's gonna be rich. I mean, I don't believe that, but even if it were true, would you want that? Every promise of every institution as a model of how business works in the first place is to create an easier, you know, fix the problem. Right. What's the problem? This is the problem. We have a fix for it. And we're gonna build optimization and efficiency in your life because of our service or our product. And the problem with that is every metric of friction as we described it, of resistance that moves us as human beings is now gonna be compromised. And so we need the friction, we need the resistance, and now we're manufacturing it. Cold plunge, hot sauna, I run on a treadmill and it's so real, so right. And so all of that resistance that we could really want and have adapted to over time through revolution exist outside for the most part, right? In remote areas of the world. But this seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. So basically they're saying like Americans just do too much for themselves. They face too many, I mean, I don't know who they're speaking to, but not to me because I don't feel like I do too much for myself. I don't think my life is too hard. I feel like my life is too easy. I take everything for granted. So when I hear someone who runs an AI company saying, you know, here's the good news, you'll never have to do anything again. I'm like, I don't know. I didn't ask anyone to do that for me. I don't want that. - Yeah, it's one of the problems, but it's also like I talked about in this rebellion or this understanding of rebellion and how it could potentially unfold. There's a movement. How can I join it? - You're part of the club. - I don't want to get arrested here. - No, no, no. No, we haven't done anything yet. - But if there's a meeting, will you climb me? (laughing) - I mean, if you actually think about it, think about the, and I push this insistently, if you think about the analog of even how I grew up in the '80s, how you grew up in the '80s and the things that you did, right? Everything was very manual. - I mean, I have, me and my wife have a little pickup trucks and jeeps because I like the visceral nature of how a manual vehicle makes me feel. - Standard transmission is liberation. I completely drive it when I am gray. - I have a '71 Ford Highboy F250 R1184 Jeep Scrambler CJ8. I have a couple of air-cooled Porsches that are just air-cooled and manual analog, very analog. And I get it. Like, there are some things AI is very good for. Like, a lot of people are like, it's a, it's a liberal talking point. Well, how about you just settle down? I'm not saying anything political. There's nothing political about wanting a brand. - Okay, just to explain, 'cause I've had the same experience, but maybe people watching know what you're talking about. So you're saying you've criticized AI or this, the text tsunami about to crest over us. And people you know have texted or called to say, hey, why are you repeating liberal talking points? You're complaining about this technology. Is that what you're saying? - Absolutely. - Okay, so I've had the same experience. And what they're telling me is, AI dumerism is a siop. It's all part of regulatory capture. So like if you are worried about AI, you're playing into the Anthropic Demons plan for global domination because what they're really doing is partnering with the US government to set up regulatory barriers against their competitors by scaring the crap out of everyone in the regulation and our calling for is actually like a form of protectionism that keeps their monopoly in place. That's what they're arguing to me. And you know, I'm sure there's some truth in that, but I also feel like, I don't know, inherently, there's nothing to worry about is what you're saying. And by the way, are you taking money from any of these tech companies because every freaking person I know is taking money from a tech company. I've noticed, sorry, it's making me mad at thinking about it. And so like there are a lot of dishonest talking points flying around. Have you, do you feel this? [BLANK_AUDIO] I've been on the other end of it, just like you, especially criticizing. Well, so I don't even pretend to know what the future holds, of course. I have no idea. So I'm like, I'm no expert on anything, like nothing. But I just think these are legitimate concerns. And people are just way up in your face about it. Why are you saying that? I catch it the most with flock. And I, who defend a flock camera? Well, it's funny. There's chiefs of police. There's officers that DM me and tell me how good flock is. And they don't know the scale of flock or the history of flock. It's very researchable. I mean, you could Google it to understand just that baseline, like I just talked about the last nine years of scale. Like, this isn't something that we've always had or that was readily available. This is something that is accelerated to hundreds of thousands of cameras that is now, you know, for the first time, I think, being shown to be completely utilized and leveraged for evil, for bad things. I mean, there are law enforcement officers. It's funny. I had an officer who DM me and said, hey, flock isn't bad. You're create, it's a liberal talking point. You're just jumping on the bandwagon. And I've had like a sheriff in California tell me the same thing. He's advertised the same thing. And I'm like, okay. So one, I'm a no expert at law enforcement. I'm not. I have an undergraduate degree in law enforcement or criminal justice. It's a study law enforcement. And when you look at what it is, it's a tool. I get it. It's a tool. But it's a tool that could be used for nefarious reasons, including tracking your ex-girlfriend or 16 year old high school girls that you're into because you're a school resource officer. True story. This is not manufactured. These are stories that populated. They said, there's no proof of that. I looked it up and found six stories in the last week of officers being arrested. And some that are just being punished, but arrested. But think about it if you're the, Mike, so you're saying that people will use technology for creepy reasons? Are you really saying that? Yeah, I think I think it can be used for that. I think that's what it had. What? The second the cell phone camera was invented. Like that's the only thing it was used for. Yeah. So, I mean, think about the, so if we just take the flock thing and you just talk about any segment of technology with the integration of AI, it accelerates everything that potentially could go wrong and violation of civil liberties or a constitution or civil rights as human beings. And so that's what's scary for me, because now the algorithm will detect and pull over the person. They think it's the bad guys and then they wind up killing an innocent family. That hasn't likely happened yet. I haven't read that that's happened. But the pulling over of innocent people and then being treated like criminals is happening all the time. Predictive policing. Predictive policing. Oh, and by the way, that officer who messaged me, I wanted the message back and say, look, you're actually advocating for something that's gonna have your job. Well, that's the other thing, right? There's a specific reason. I can't articulate this, but I understand it and I don't know the, maybe you have a better example, but there are some things that just need to be slow. There are only needs to be one ranger in a national park. Because if you have an automated system of tons of rangers and tons of violations, but oh, by the way, AI and these camera companies are using them to detect people who are catching too many fish in the water, right? So it used to be John who's the national park ranger walks over and he's like, hey, man, yet you're less than, yeah, sure, and buddy, no problem. They're surveilling trouts. They're surveilling national parks in some places. And they're catching them or they're trying to catch people's exceeding their fishing limit. Can you take out one of these cameras with a 308 or a smaller caliber? 300 wind mag would be for 30 wind mags. It's just loud. Nope, well, that's beyond transonic and subsonic. You could be about 1,000 meters away, suppressed. Someone at the table was a sniper at one point, itself. Never advocating for that. Yeah, I'm very close to advocating for that. Well, that is crazy. I had no idea that was even happening. But your assessment is like so basic, it's wise. I don't want to detract from it, but it's so obviously true. The technology will accelerate pre-existing tendencies in the society and in the people who comprise it. So like if people are mixture of good and bad and they're altruistic, but they're also greedy and cruel or whatever, all of that will be magnified by any technology, right? Of course, yeah. That's what you're saying, I think. It is. And so we should just be on guard for those predictable consequences. And you say that to someone and they say what? That's a liberal talking point. Yeah. They say it's like I criticize Ford Motor Company. And I did so because Ford Motor Company CEO has this diabolical plan to integrate cameras, including inward facing cameras. Especially for commercial contracts, that if it's not the driver or if the driver seems impaired, it will just contact authorities for you. So you've surveillance in your car. Surveillance in your vehicle, looking inward facing. So how about no? How about no? Obviously no. Yeah. So if you made this into a movie, it would be like a segment of the population that reads my book prepared that's driving all pickup trucks and living very analog and refuse to integrate with technology in part of a rebellious relationship. I'm literally outside my door for this exact reason. 100%. I sold my F-150. I had a Raptor, got a great interest rate from Ford Motor Company. And I was like, yeah, I'll get a Raptor. It'd be cool. I could do some content on it, do some stuff. I was backing out of my driveway in Hebris City, which is evolving and developing like no other town. It's actually one of the top towns in development. Not happy for most people in Hebris City if you're living there, right? And so the development behind my house is massive. So all the traffic is going one way. I go to back out of my driveway with my kids, at that time I had two children with me. And as we back out, the truck just stops in the middle of the road. And I'm like, what is, and I go to move back and it won't go back. So there's a car coming. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what's happening? It won't back up and it's beeping at me. I put it in drive and I drive back in my driver like what's going on? The sensor on the back of rear right bumper was dirty. And at the intersection probably 500 meters away, there was a car and it caught likely 'cause it's infrared, a reflection that triggered the sensor that was dirty and locked me down, shut me down in the middle of the road. And there was a semi truck with an impaired driver or just somebody not paying attention. I would've got T-bone in the intersection right in front of my house because of the tech integrated into my truck. I immediately got rid of that truck. And I was like, I'm not good at this. - I did the same thing. - I bought it, I bought a 1997 Ford OBS 7.3. - Yeah, if you're interested and anyone who drives pickup trucks, at least for Chevy's which I drive, Silverado, I think the last year that preserves human autonomy is 2018. I can confirm that. I mean, maybe subsequent few subsequent years. But after that, you don't make the decisions in the vehicle. So I had a 2023 Silverado kind of a cool vehicle in some ways. I sold it in a month because of reasons like that. It's like, no, it's, I'm driving. - Yeah. - Like whose dad here? - Yeah. - Are you really giving me orders? I thought you were a machine. What are we doing? - It's, it's, for those who think it's a liberal talking point. Let me just back up. - A liberal talking point. They think it's a liberal talking. - Who's writing this crap? - They're like, you're going against Ford. It's an American company, it's an American Ford. - Okay. - In what sense is Ford an American company anyway? - So if you back out of that, the reason all these things are happening is because the mining of data. - Data is the current. - Of course. - So when you get a Ford, a brand new truck, I know Ford does it for sure. Most manufacturers will likely do it. You have to get the app integrated into the vehicle. - Oh yeah. - And then downloads. - It downloads everything 'cause you never know if somebody steals your truck. Well, you don't need a law enforcement officer to go investigate a stolen vehicle because you have a app that geotags it for you. But like, you can't do anything. I mean, there's YouTube integration in the dash of the vehicle. Like, I don't want YouTube when I'm driving in the middle of my integration. (laughing) - You said you're not political and God bless you for that. There's no upside in being. Political is no upside and falling. A lot of the stuff I say this one who has followed it for my whole life, you don't get much out of it. But if there is any reason to have a conservative party, whatever you call it Republican party or any name for it, but conservative, it's to oppose stuff like this. It's to defend human beings against the machine. It's to try to preserve some measure of human autonomy, personal sovereignty. Why else would you have conservatism other than that? So for them to tell you it's a liberal talking point to say you don't want to be spied on in your own freaking truck, is it beyond belief? How do you, what do you say to that? I like to speed some time. - Yeah, of course. - And that's a very American thing. A very American thing. There's legislation in California right now that's trying to get rid of basically all the classic cars. And Jay Leno, who's been-- - Get rid of the classic cars? - Jay Leno's actually came out of his hibernation out of his cave with all his cars to talk about this, which I'm proud of Jay for doing this because he's going against the system that's trying to take-- - He's a very nice person at whatever he's false. They're trying to take, they're trying to take it. away the entire classic car culture that's been built in California, because only for 100 years, it's not a big deal. Yeah, completely shaped the American culture as a whole. That's it. Wow, I didn't even know. So great deal is buying classic cars out of California right now because they're trying to pass legislation to basically ban and it involves around emissions and the these green movements. So flathead motors immoral or something, yeah, yeah, like it's killing every, it's killing all the birds. So you got to get rid of those vehicles and we know there's more pollution in California than any state. It's the most physically defiled state. It's filthy. Yeah. And so you're letting people use the sidewalk as a little train and you know, die in public parks and every public library smells like urine and you're lecturing me about pollution really. Yeah. And taking away like part of culture, American culture. What the dirtiest people in the world are calling you dirty, it's like, no, I'm not playing along with this. They don't have a problem with Skid Row, but you got a problem with a car show full of cars. But drug cartels are boomers. You know, pouring poison in the whole northern part of the state is a super fun site because of foreign weed cartels that use banned chemicals to grow marijuana in the state. And if you don't believe that, go to Minnesota County. Anyway, whatever. But that's just crazy that they're doing that. It's wild. It's wild. And it hurts. And it's like, again, I think a lot of Americans will be forced like me to go analog in a lot of parts of their life, whether they deliberately intentionally do it or because they want to get away from the tech, like there needs to be some form of balance. I mean, not everybody lives in Silicon Valley or wherever this is happening. I don't even know Salt Lake City. Maybe it's happening there, but not everybody wants to live without resistance. I want to feed my chickens and my goats and try my pickup truck. So as you talk to people, I mean, obviously we all live in like a slice of the country, right? We live in our own worlds or self-created worlds. But so with that caveat, when you talk to people about technology, do you get the sense that people you know are hopeful about it or they're threatened by it? So a report came out today this morning that said that 70% of Americans that were surveyed think that AI is going to be a problem. And that is the 70%, 70%, the overwhelming majority of Americans think that AI is going to be a problem. And I mean, when Sam Altman and an anthropic come out and both say like, oh, we just had this would a huggy bear or whatever situation where, you know, basically it breaks out itself and starts operating and trying to figure out how we're going to take over. So we're not shut down when it's doing things unilaterally without control. That's not even prompted. Yeah, that's a problem. And when the CEO of the biggest AI company comes out and says, hey, we're pumping the brakes here because something's happening that we weren't prepared for, prepared for. And you should be concerned as Americans and everywhere I go, when I speak to people about preparedness, when I talk to people online, everybody overwhelmingly is concerned. This is not something that's in the minority. Well, I mean, just take us to back because the guy who more than any other person is in charge of our future and that of our children, Sam Altman, is this a normal person? Is this one who shares your values? This is a guy who's been accused by his own sister of molestation accused by the mother of one of his employees of murder. I'm not saying you did other one of those things. I'm just saying that's the guy, really, of 350 million Americans, that's the guy you put in charge of the future of humanity, like, no, yeah, it's supposed to be for the greater good. I mean, a non-profit and now it's the one of the biggest profiting companies at growth and scale than any company in history. This is going with nothing in common with the average person. No, not at all. But he's now creating reality for the entire nation and world. Yeah. And we're buying into it. I mean, all the majority of the states are buying into the building of the infrastructure because it's a money grab. So what do you do if you go to the local authorities whose job is to represent you and improve your life and listen to you and carry out your will because you or the owner is not them, they're the employees, but they don't acknowledge that and they give you the finger and just do what their donors tell them to do, which is the state of play. What does that leave you? Like, what are your options? The idea of getting off grid and going in the middle of the woods and just living your life, well, we know how that worked out for Randy Weaver and that's not the option. The option is fighting legislatively, legally, until you can't. And my fear is because of how quickly this burn rate is going that till you can't is going to come sooner than we think. Yeah. I just couldn't agree with you. Everything you've said, I just couldn't agree with you more vehemently and sexually hopeful that what you're describing because you're describing solidarity of human beings. So I've got one last category I want to thank you for doing this, that I want to hit that's not related to your book, but it's just interesting to me. Is you describe friends who've lived a life like yours, been an elite unit in the US military served all these tours, combat tours, and how they're thriving and you named a bunch of them. And I think a lot of them are familiar to viewers, Evan certainly. And they're all doing great. But a lot of people famously who've lived that life are not doing great at all and we both know a lot of those as well. What's the difference? Like, why does some guys who do eight combat tours totally well adjusted, love my wife, totally dialed into my job and others just really seem on the brink of self-destruction? Yeah, for my personal experience and it's personal and it's my personal opinion because again, this is very anecdotal. I mean, my experience with men and my organizations and all the things that we went through that would traumatize the average person by a long mile is that we're not traumatized by war. I mean, the men that I associate that are my best friends that come from Evan Hafer, Green Beret, Andy Samp, former Navy SEAL, DevGrew Operator, Sean Ryan, former SEAL. Like many of these men are resilient because they grew up in good homes. They grew up in good situations. They joined for the right reasons. They went through the training and all the experiences and had no problem with it because they had, it's not aptitude. They just had the ability to reconcile and they did so, like even me, you know, I contend with this debate over like war and was it justified and all the things. But I know very intimately with most of my peers' opinions thinking the same, that the men that we fought on the battlefield were formidable foes and bad people. I mean, they were killing Americans in some cases. They were going after coalition forces. But I also now full circle being old and looking back on warfare like many veterans do go, man, was that necessary? Was the whole thing necessary, obviously? I'm more traumatized by that. Did big pressure questions over which you had no control versus the actual engagements and the things that I saw in the battlefield? But realistically, most people who suffer from trauma that are in resilient, nature-conditioned jobs, like special operations, which has all the psyche vows, all the selection processes, all the condition training. That's very difficult, obviously. But they're pretty fine mesh screen at the beginning of the process. I didn't fully realize that. They know who you are psychologically by the time you start training. Yeah. I actually thought about this being a civilian and I didn't get a job once for the Department of Energy. It's one of the only civilian jobs I applied for. It was the head of Colorado's DOE, basically, their power plants throughout the state. And you got to pick up truck. And I was like, sweet, you get to pick up truck. I get to drive around on a truck and check on these sites. It sounds fun, actually. It was cool. You had to have a degree in Homeland Security. I have a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security in crisis response. You had to have crisis response experience and not to brag, but just at the time. I probably had more experience than anybody that I knew. Anybody I had worked with in crisis response, specifically. And I was the guy, like this job was mine. And then I found out after the application when I was denied, it came down to me and another guy. I found out the application on the resume when I put it, I was a sniper that they've looked at that as a liability that I was the bad guy. In fact, veterans get this all the time, by the way. Veterans in family court, veterans in any situation where they're looked at post-traumatic stress. Well, you don't know. He's a wild card. Oh, he's a sniper. He killed people for a living. It's like, yeah, that was my job. I'm not going to church it up and like redesign the verbiage to make it something like I was something a corporate long range executive, whatever you want to put. A threat elimination officer, TEO, yeah, that was a TEO. - Well, when you look at that, it's like most of the trauma that I see after the fact in these guys that go, and that in all cases, but they go to eye to gain soul, cyber and et cetera. They are dealing with traumatic injury from before they came in the military, from the, typically from the childhood. - Really? - Yeah, I mean, we do a more injury. More injury is a significant component to this. - Yeah, yeah, because of this. - And I think across the board affects everybody. That's most a special operations. There's some component of moral injury there. I lost a buddy. I should have been there. There was casualties. We should have took out whatever it was. But before that, it's my experience that, I wouldn't say the majority. Many of the men that I served with came from very broken homes. Now, I came from a broken home, technically, 'cause it was separated. But I had a very beautiful and amazing mom still do, my mom was Korean, and lived part-time with her, and then lived part-time with my dad, who was an amazing human being. Who kissed me and get night and tucked me in every night. Like it was the nurturing loving father, and my mom was the same way. And so, yeah, technically I was broken. There are service members that I've served with, some of significant childhood trauma that I think, and I'll just say this out loud, that don't need to be going to, I began. They don't need to be going to psilocybin retreats, because they're opening up a portal or box, or whatever you want to use, that can exacerbate that trauma without a lot of parameters or structure built to understand what it is in the first place. I know, boy, that comports with my instincts. Exactly, that no one ever wants to say it. Since Freud, we all assume that getting everything out is always the wise course, but that's not always true. I mean, some things are sub-training for reason. Do you really want to revisit them? Can you fix them? - Yeah, you're messing with a spirit world, just to take a young gun's, quote, a spirit world that we don't know a lot about, that depending on your capacity to manage and deal with that can break you. - Oh, I've seen that. - Yeah. - I had the great advantage of doing a lot of that stuff as a child by the time I was 17, I was like, I don't think I'm doing that again, 'cause like, yeah, I learned this lesson early, not to brag. - Yeah, yeah. - Funny, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. There's some stuff, yeah, absolutely. Who know, are we designed to understand in this life everything that resides within us, much less the things that exist unseen all around us? I don't know that we are. - Yeah, we're still interpreting the Bible. - I don't understand all of John, like at all. - Yeah. - So I was reading John this morning and he's still trying to figure it out. - Me too. - Me too. - John 8, what passage? - The truth still set you free. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And the context where many people think that the truth is like the truth by design that we are confronted with in life. But it has nothing to do with that. It's the truth that Jesus is our Lord and Savior. He's preaching to the disciples, but saying that, you know, basically I am the truth. And if you're truthful about yourself and your relationship with Jesus, then you're separating yourself from sin, and that will set you free. - Yes. - Which, oh, I love, that gives me chills. - I do too. I was trying to figure out, I think it's John 13. I probably had this wrong, but it's in that range where Jesus has raised Lazarus from the dead and the Pharisees are totally panicked. Of course, they take no, like join the fact of dead man. Dead for four days is like walking around. In fact, they want to kill Lazarus, but they all meet, the counsel meets and they say, if he keeps us up, everyone will believe in him, true. And then the Romans will destroy our nation and our temple, and I've read this a million times, but it struck me, I was like, what does that even mean? If everyone believes in Jesus, the Romans, well, why would the, I don't understand what that means, but I feel it's significant somehow. Anyway, probably read that for the rest of my life and understand it. - Yeah. - Which is part of the process, or inject yourself into that world and not be prepared and then deal with the ramifications. - Yeah. - Mike Glover, a man who has prepared for ramifications, prepared is the book a manual for surviving worst case scenarios. I really appreciate your doing this. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. (upbeat music)