Former 33rd Degree Mason Reveals the Darkest Secrets of Freemasonry

Intro I was like the youngest guy in the lodge by 20 years and this guy comes forward and he says we're going to lead you through this oath, but it's this long involved and ultimately blood curdling oath. What none of these men understand is that deep down inside, there's this very dark evil energy. I would go up to these guys that have been in in the Scottish Rite forever and I'd say, OK, I'm now a sublime Prince of the royal secret. So what's the royal secret? And again, this is something that probably only one of the 1000 Masons in America understands. Is it the royal secret? Speaker 2 Hello and welcome back to the Almost False Podcast, running to regular people with incredible stories. The Royal Secret Today's guest is someone who has explored the darkest levels of spirituality, one of them being Freemasonry. He became a 33rd degree Mason, was part of high level secret societies, and he is not afraid to share what he's not supposed to talk about. So I took this opportunity to ask him as much as I could in the limited time that we had. No matter how much you know or don't know about Freemasonry, I can almost guarantee you that you'll learn a lot from this interview as everything that is shared here is in some way related to it. Get ready to have your mind blown by Mr. Bill Sneblin as he shares a dark journey that him and his wife took and the unsettling things that they uncovered along the way. Speaker 1 When I got to college and again I wanted to be a priest, I went. This is a minor seminary college, Loris College. At the time it was a minor seminary. It isn't anymore. I had a priest in my theology class who had a doctorate in theology and he was teaching a course in Christology because again, I was wanting to be a priest. And he took me aside and he said, if you want to be a priest in the Catholic Church, it's taught, you know? Saucedonus asked Altus. Christus, the priest is another Christ. So if you want to be like, And he says to me, do you want to be like Christ? And I says, well, of course, doesn't every Christian want to be like Christ? He said, well, if you want to be like Christ, you need to do what Christ did. And again, that made sense. And again, you know, nowadays we've kind of become suspicious about priests. But this is like 1968, and a priest was like God. I mean, whatever the priest said, that was it, you know? And he said, well, if you want to be like Christ, you need to do what he did. And he went to the East and studying with the gurus in India. He went and studied with the llamas in Tibet. He went to Egypt and studied with the magicians there. That's how he was able to do to raise the dead, to walk on water, to do all these miracles. So he says what you need to do is you need to start studying the occult. And this is a priest telling me this. And so I thought, OK, now mind you, you know, this is obviously decades before there was an Internet. I mean, there was a little bookstore downtown. And I, I went there and I found a few scattering books, unlike the occult. And I found this book that was called Diary of a Witch by Sybil Leak. And she was one of the very first witches to tell, to speak, come out of the broom closet. She was a British woman and she was a medium. And anyhow, I read the book and she was asserting in the book that witches were not evil, that this was an ancient Pagan mystery religion. Among other things. She claimed that Jesus was a witch and his 12 apostles were his coven along with their their wives. You know, So I kind of bought into that and I wrote two. I found out about this guy, Alex Sanders, who was the supposed king of the witches over in London. I sent him a letter this around 196869, and his wife sent me back a thing. OK, here's a coven in Rockford, IL, which is about 90 minutes from Dubuque. I went there and I got initiated as a witch. And then later on, I hooked up with an Alexandrian coven in Boston and I was made a witch high priest, started covens in, first of all in Dubuque, where I was, and then moved to Milwaukee because there was a fellow there who I had an occult bookstore, you know, because Milwaukee's a huge city. And he said, I've got all these people that want to become witches, can you come and teach them? Speaker 3 When we're talking about like you being in a covenant, you doing a witchcraft, I just want to make sure that we don't skip over that part, like what kind of witchcraft are we talking about? Because I, you know, there's a lot. Speaker 1 Of it was it was OK witchcraft originally, you know the kind of publicly available witchcraft was originally started by Gerald Gardner and he came out at. Witchcraft became legal in England. It was a crime until 1951. It was made legal, and he claimed that all this is disputed, but he claimed that he came in contact with the ancient covenant witches in the New Forest region of England. They initiated him and then made him a high priest and he went off and initiated other people. Then there's this other bunch, this Alexander Stone. He also claims to have been initiated by a ancient line of witches by his grandmother. So those were the two main fountainheads of witchcraft in the 60s. Both were from England, but both had, you know, spread to America and it was white witchcraft. Both groups, their rituals were virtually identical. And but the, the Alexandrian group that I was in was more into ceremonial magic, which is like kind of if you know, and like Protestantism, they have the distinction between high church and low church. Well, Alexandrian is more high church witchcraft. But we didn't believe in the devil. We didn't think we were worshiping the devil. We thought we were worshiping a goddess, a moon goddess and a foreign God. So it was like ditheism, if you will, 22 deities. And we didn't believe in demons. We just believed that it was all this nature airy fairy, you know, gathering herbs in the forest and dancing in the nude. And, you know, it all sounds very innocent except there's especially in the Alexandian, right? There's also some sex magic that's involved. So does that kind of answer your question? Speaker 3 Yes, yes, thank you for clarifying. I just wanted to make sure that we got that covered. So actually, let's go back to the occult bookstore that you were talking about and let's pick up the story from there. Speaker 1 Well, so anyway, I mean, so we hooked up with this fellow and in the basement of the store we hold these classes. They were packed because there were all these people. And again, this is kind of, this is 1972 and you know, there's all these people are kind of like quasi hippies and they wanted to get into the occult magic and blah, blah, blah. The other thing that happened at the same time is that we encountered this spell called Eli, who was a grandmaster Druid of North America. And druids are a little bit different than witches disguise the difference between being a Baptist and being a Methodist, you know. And we were invited down to Arkansas, which is where this fellow lived. He had lived on top of a mountain. He had kind of a, a, what do you call it, a organic farm there. And we, we went through the whole summer, got all this occult training. We were, you know, high priests in Druidism by the time we got done at one point, I understand this fellow that owned the occult bookstore, he was kind of a manipulative guy who was very, and he was older than me, very cunning. The Satanic Bible He told me, he took me aside and he said, you know, if you really want to understand magic, you need to read this book. And he handed me The Satanic Bible by Anton Lavey, and I said, well, why would I want to read the Satanic Bible? Witches don't believe in Satan. And he said, well, just read the book. And his Lavey's contention was that magic is really about Satan, but Satan is like an archetype. He said there is no real Satan, but it's like an energy agregore, an archetype that you can draw upon. And it kind of made sense to me. And again, the devil was gradually pulling me in, like the whole thing about the, the camel getting its nose in a tent before you know it to kill camels in there. So I wrote the Church of Satan, which at that time was in San Francisco. I became a member of first degree member. And then later on I, I went through some exams and studies and I became a warlock, which was a second degree member of the Church of Satan. And at this also, I should say this because this is critical, this dot, this Eli guy, the Grand Druid down in Arkansas, he gave us 2 words of advice. First of all, he said if you really want to understand Luciferian energy, you need to join the Free Masonic Order. And he himself was a 33rd degree Mason. He showed me his little certificate again. He also told me that if you ever felt like we were in deep spiritual trouble, that I should join the Mormon church because it was a Church of it and started by witches for witches that we could hang out in and pretend to be nice. You know that you know the image of the Mormon Church, that they're straight, nice, wonderful, all American people that with happy families and white picket fences and you know all of that. But secretly they believe almost the same doctrines of witches believe. And we can get into that if you want. But anyhow, so he gave us that advice. And again, this is in the early 70s. So I joined the Masonic Lodge, became a master Mason at the same time as I was a Satanist and the witch and only our inner circle of the witches that we, we've, but this time we've initiated over 100 witches and only our inner circle knew that we were also Satanist and we were continuing in this. And I finally figured out that there was a deeper level of Satanism and I got in touch with some of them. Again, there's no Internet. We had to do all this by mail and what not. And there was a group in Michigan called the Order of the Black Ram, which is like more hardcore satanic stuff. There was another group in Chicago called the Brotherhood, and I got involved with them because they were closer, because Milwaukee just up the road about 90 miles from Chicago. And I got really, I, I mean, I sold my soul to the devil. That's how deep I got into this stuff. Speaker 3 Yeah, before we actually get to that part, I want to make sure to take some time to talk about Freemasonry because Freemasonry it's very rare to actually talk about, to talk to former Masons because it's something you're not supposed to talk about. Freemasonry So it's kind of an opportunity you all I have you here to kind of for me personally to learn, but also for the people to kind of have a knowledge about what Freemasonry is. You said that you became a Master Mason. Can you explain how the degrees and the lodges are set up in Freemasonry so people actually understand what we're talking about? Speaker 1 Well, they're OK. The the basic thing is what's called the Blue Lodge, and that consists of three degrees and an apprentice, fellow Craft and master Mason. A lot of Masons never go any further than that. I did, but basically it's like an initiatory process. The requirements are you have to at that time. Now mind you, this was I think I joined in 75. You had to be a man freeborn of good report and well recommended. So they asked you if you believe in God and I said yes, I did and I didn't. They didn't ask which God I believed in. They just, Can you believe in God? And I said yes. I didn't tell him that the guy I believed in had horns. So anyhow, I went through the, there's this whole process. You do a lot of memory work, they call it. You memorize all of these ritual things. You have a mentor who's called your poster, who's an older Mason. And the guy that I had was a real very kind guy, an executive and the, the power company, I can't remember the name of the company. And he helped me memorize all this stuff. And then you go to 2nd degree and then you have a whole bunch of stuff to memorize. It Just let me touch this briefly because people asked me, well, at what point does Masonry start to look creepy? I mean, because there's a tons of Christians under Masons, literally thousands of them. And I, I just asked them, how can you do that? I mean, because when you start out as a Mason, they make you, you come to the lodge, they make you take off all your clothes except your undies. They put you in this like jammies. They're like, well, like they're like pajamas. They're like typically the one knee is bare and one breast is bare, your left breast and I think your right knee and you're blindfolded. You have a cable around your neck. It's like a a belt. They call it a cable toe. It's like a velvet blue rope. And you're tied up and you're led to the door of the lodge and you've got a guy leading you because of course you're blindfolded. He knocks on the door and somebody on this is all ritualized. And the guy on the other side says, who comes here and your guy who's guiding you, who's a lodge officer? He says Mr. Bill Sneblin, who has been long in darkness, excuse me, and now seeks to be brought to light to receive the rights and benefits of the worship of lodge erected to God as all members have done before. And I asked Mr. Christian, Mr. Pastor, Mr. Elder, because there's like, it used to be out still is. It used to be 40% of the pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention were Freemasons. And how can you say that you're in darkness when you have Jesus in your heart? You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And then that's not it. You go into the lodge, you're LED around like, they call it circumambulation. You walk around the lodge, they have these officers, a junior warden, the senior warden at the different, you know, things of the compass. And in the east is the Worshipful master who's like the big, big cheese. Then you're made to kneel at this altar again. You're still blindfolded and you're made to you're made to understand that you're putting your hands on this hue just like a pulpit Bible, you know, big King James Bible. And this guy comes forward, this Worshipful master, and he says, you know, we're going to lead you through this oath. And I'm not going to go through the holes. Going to take like 5 minutes, but it's this long involved and ultimately blood curdling oath. At the end you say you, you swear the essence of the Oz are your sheep, the secrets of an editor apprentice Mason, which of course I'm violating right now. And then at the end, you swear the device should ever reveal the secrets of an editor. Apprentice Mason that I I swear that I will have my throat cut across my tongue torn out by the roots and buried in the sands of the sea where the tide ebbs and flows twice in 24 hours should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation. So help me God, and keep me steadfast to the due performance of the Saint. Now if you were a Christian pastor or whatever, wouldn't that kind of raise the hair on the back of your neck? Speaker 3 Yeah, I think it was raised the head on the back of the necks of pretty much most people just to hear that. Speaker 1 Yeah, and then at that point the worship will master, says. My brother, in your current situation, what do you most desire? And then the guy that's with you this that he's a senior warden says light whispers it in your ear and I say light. And then they remove the blindfold and you see before you this big open Bible with a square and compass on it. And it is, those are the represent the three great lights of Masonry, the Bible, the square, and the compass. And then they are revealed by the three lesser lights of Masonry, which are three burning tapers that are adjacent to the author. Now that's the most mild initiation. From there on, they get more and more creepy. So I don't know how deep you want to go into this, but basically Masonry is an Antichrist thing. Masonry is a religion It claims it's not religious, but it is. You know, they play around with it because they say, oh, well, we're just religious, but we're not a religion. Because if they're, if they were a religion, then if you were already a Christian, you shouldn't join another religion. Most Christians would say that like if you're a Christian, you wouldn't become a Buddhist. Well, Masonry is a religion. I mean, it has all the qualities. That's what I tell people. If you look at Webster's dictionary, there's three things that make something a religion. According to Webster #1 Sunning has a belief in some sort of deity. Masonry has that number two, it that belief is expressed in some sort of ritual, and Masonry is full of ritual. I mean, that's pretty much all it is. It's and then the third quality is it has a system of some sort of ethics or morality. And Masonry has that. So Masonry is a religion and it's an Antichrist religion. And the problem is, is it basically if you drill down into this deep enough and read the books, read the books that are written by people like Albert Pike, like Albert Mackey, these are two, you know, or Alpha Arthur Edward Waite. These are three prominent scholars of 19th century, early 20th century Masonry. And all of them were occultists. Arthur Edward Waite, he wrote a book on black magic and packs how to sell your soul of the Devil. And in my book, Shameless Plug, this is an older edition. This is the first edition. It looks different now, but in my book I document. How almost every single leading occult person of the a late 19th and early 20th century was a Freemason. They just go together like, you know, love and marriage. Speaker 3 If people want to go look at these books, I just want you to like kind of give them an idea because if you want to confirm that for themselves, what books are you talking about? What people are you talking about? Speaker 1 Well, there's Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. He was like the greatest Masonic scholar in America, the 19th century. He was the sovereign grand commander of the Scottish Rite, and he's buried in the Scottish Rite Temple, 13 blocks from the White House. So he that's one. The other one is Albert Mackey's Encyclopedia Freemasonry. There's Arthur Edward Waite, who has a whole bunch of books on Masonry. Again, all these were footnoted in my book. I mean the last lots of pages of footnotes, because I I'm not just making this stuff up. The other person who really you need to pay attention to in all of this because he's more contemporary, Have you ever heard of Manley P Hall? Speaker 3 I have, yeah. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, he was one of the most notable occultists in America in the 20th century. You passed away in 1994. I think he was the head of the Philosophical Research Society. He was a very high level ceremonial magician, and he was also a 33rd degree Mason. And he wrote this book Lost Keys of Freemason. In that book, among many things, he says that when you become a master Mason, you are like a warrior on the block. And that's kind of Masonic code. And the seething energies of Lucifer are yours to command. Speaker 3 So these are like the biggest free Masonic figures that that we we know about today and yet most Freemasons have no idea about this. Speaker 1 Yeah, because they don't read the books. They just, they join the lodge for whatever reason it might be for business. Because, see, it used to be that up until I think the early 90s, lawyers and doctors were not allowed to advertise. They couldn't put like an ad in the telephone book. It was like an ethics thing. And so the only way that lawyers and doctors could kind of build up business was by Masonry. They join the Masonic Lodge. They send referrals to one another, you know, a good old boys network. So that's why a lot of people join the lodge. Many people join it because they had an uncle or a father or a brother who was in it. And honestly, unless you really understand the occult, it's boring. I mean, imagine the most boring church service you've ever been in. And having spent five years in the Mormon Church, I can relate to that. But it's just, you know, guys were sitting there snoring during the the Masonic ritual when I was there and, you know, because it, it's like watching paint dry and they go every week. And when I was involved in this, I was like the youngest guy in the lodge by 20 years. All these guys were like 50-60, seventy years old, you know, And basically they were there because they were buddies. And afterwards they, you know, play poker and eat, you know, sandwiches or something. But what none of these men understand, I don't think, is that deep down inside there's this very dark, evil energy which is very sexualized. We document in the book how many men that have come to us over the years for deliverance. They were in Masonry and they began to be drawn into wickedness, into perversion and even in the and it's it's dark, dangerous stuff because it opens up unholy desires within the men. And then because of the way the spiritual world works, that in turn percolates down into their family. And it affects the wife who may or may not be involved because there's a women's order of Masonry call the order of the Eastern Star, whose symbol is a satanic pentagram, by the way. So anyway, it affects your children. So many men that were Masons, at first it didn't create a problem but when their children started hitting puberty they just started to go in various ways nuts because of this trickle down influence of the Masonic Lodge. Speaker 3 I actually interviewed a a woman whose dad was a Freemason and just something very similar to that happened to her. So she's never involved in, you know, the Eastern Stars. And as far as I understand, her mom wasn't involved either. But there was, you know, an element of the children thing that you talked about with their family being abused his her siblings, sorry. And she also around puberty started developing, you know, some weird things. So it does it does correlate with what you're talking about. But I want to make sure that people understand. The Degrees of Freemasonry I want to go back to the degrees of Freemasonry. You talked about the Blue Lodge, You also mentioned the Scottish Rite there, so York, right? Can you explain how that set up so people actually understand what it means to be a 33rd degree Mason? Because I think it's just there's a lot of confusion around it. Speaker 1 Well, it's a little complicated, but in America, English Masonry is different. But in America, after Blue Lodge, it forks off in two directions. You can either go to the Scottish Rite or the York right. The York right has seven degrees. The Scottish Rite has 29°. When I was, when I was made a Master Mason, I was told because at that time, I believe it or not, I was going to the seminary to become an old Catholic priest. And some of my brother Masons knew that. And he said, well, the York right is the Christian path, so to speak, so why don't you go out that thing first. So I did and the top of the York right is what is called the Knights Templar degree. Now in the Scottish Rite, you have these 29° the some of them are really creepy. I mean seriously creepy. They have one, I think it's a 19th degree where they actually try to call up the devil. And finally, at the top of the 32nd degree, which is the the sublime Prince of the royal secret. And that's as high as most people go. If you're some really important person, either in an industry or in politics or in entertainment, you might be offered to become a 33rd degree Mason, which is the highest degree in American Masonry. And many people, you know, presidents, actors, I mean people like, you know, Roy Rogers, Harry Truman, all kinds of celebrities, Burl eyes, their, their 33rd or word are all deceased now 33rd degree Masons, Gene Autry, many of these people. So that's the structure of it. And there's nuances in the York Rite that are very creepy, but the Scottish Rite is much more creepy. Speaker 2 Hey, I'm pausing here just to let you know that if you want more details about this testimony, whether you want more context about what happened before or you have questions that I didn't ask, then consider joining us on Locals. We put out a bunch of extra content there, like the extra footage, which is everything that happened before the story started or the after show, which is what happened after. Along with the advice that our guests have for you, there's also a whole other episodes that are not available anywhere else. So why don't you go check it out? It's free to join. You don't have anything to lose and have a whole lot to gain. It also helps us to remain independent and fight censorship. So if you're interested, the link will be in the description you can head. Speaker 3 Over there after the episode is done. All right, now let's get back in the story. The Story of the Masonic Rite Okay, So to make sure everyone understands kind of what you already set up, I'll try to summarize it. So there's the blue Lodge, which everyone has to go through, which is 3°. And then you have two choices, either the York right, which is 7 or the Scottish Rite which is 29. So 3 + 29 = 32. So 32° and honorary 33rd degree for people that are deemed to be important. So that's kind of how it worked only on the Scottish Rite, that's where the 33rd degree happens. So you. Speaker 1 Actually, OK, let me let me just correct something. Speaker 3 Yes, yes, please. Speaker 1 If you're a if you're a 10th degree 9th Templar, you can become a story third degree Mason even if you never went through the Scottish. Speaker 3 Rite. OK. Speaker 1 Minor detail, but. Speaker 3 OK. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. SO all right now we talked about the 33rd degree Mason. The Right of Memphis Mitzrion People usually are like, that's the highest level of Freemasonry that there is. There's also a bunch of people that talk about, you know, this, there's secrets in Freemasonry that a lot of people don't know about. And you have to, you know, be deemed worthy to be told these secrets. You became a 33rd degree Mason and you eventually join this secret group or secret order or whatever you want to call it. Can you explain what that is? Speaker 1 OK, well beyond, OK, beyond what we're we just been talking about over in Europe is what's called the right of Memphis Mitzrion and that is 360° beyond what's, you know, I've already discussed and most nations don't even know about that. Now, I got up to the, if memory serves, 96° and because how I did that is there was a group in Chicago where they were, they were involved with that thing because Chicago was and probably still is a major Nexus of Satanism. Most people don't know that. So this group brought me into Memphis misery and then ultimately there was a fellow that flew over all the way from Paris who was the son of Pappas. Now you probably don't know that name, but Pappas was a very prominent 19th century high level occultist and ceremonial magician. And he wrote a book called the Tarot of the Bohemians for about tarot cards, you know, and he came over and he brought me into the ninety 97th degree. And and this is where you get into the really deep stuff, the ideas behind sexual alchemy, how to supposedly live forever, you know, all this creepy stuff. Anyway, I would go up to these guys that have been in in the Scottish Rite forever, you know, older man that were in their 60s and I'd say, OK, I'm now a sublime Prince of the royal secret. You know, Wang, they did this initiation and I was the sublime Prince of the royal secret. So what's the royal secret? They go, I don't know now whether they were just feigning ignorance because at this time I was like in my late 20s or what. I don't know. But I learned eventually after getting into the Rite of Memphis mystery, and again, this is something that probably only one in 1000 Masons in America understands. Is it the royal secret? Is it you can live forever by sexually vampirizing children? Literally. And that's what these people believe. Now, again, the vast majority of Masons have no understanding of any of this. They just think it's this good old boys club that teaches, you know, morality. And, and this is the way with almost all of these groups, whether it's the Mormons or the Masons or the witches or the Vatican, they all had this vast number of reasonably good people, in some cases very good people under them that are, that are sort of feeding them all of this energy. Because let me back up. When I was into Satanism, we understood and we're taught that Satan draws energy from being worshipped. And when, when these guys, they don't, even if they don't understand it, every time a Mason kneels at the altar and swears an oath, the devil gets energy from that. And again, most Masons, if they heard this, they will be scandalized. They say this guy's a nut. But The funny thing is, and like you say, you've, you've talked with with people who to a greater degree or a lesser degree. And believe me, we talked to dozens of people over the years in ministry who came to us who were, you know, like sodomized as children who were literally taken to the Masonic Lodge after hours, laid on that very same altar that the Holy King James Bible laid on. And they were ganged by a bunch of old men that were all high level Masons until they were practically dead. Speaker 3 Yeah, that's pretty much the story that I heard without, you know, details because of the IT was, it was an eyewitness account, it was a second hand witness, but is similar to what I heard before. So OK, a lot of said about Freemasonry and you kind of said how you know Freemasonry is worshiping Lucifer. And I think that's made very clear in the books that you talked about. If you want to check the references, they can check your book or they can go directly to the references if they doubt anything because it's in there. I want to go back to something that you said earlier because we kind of did a tangent on Freemasonry because I thought it was very important, but you talked about selling your soul. Let's get back to that because I definitely don't want to ignore that. Selling My Soul to Satan Can you explain the circumstances around that? Speaker 1 Well, again, this, there was this group in Chicago and they were, they were entwined with this Memphis Mystrium, right? And they were also with this, it was like two things together, the Brotherhood, which I mentioned earlier, and then this Memphis Mystrium thing. And I interacted with these people and at at a certain point, they said, well, if you want to go any further and become a Satanic priest, you need to, you know, sell your soul to the devil. And so they took me to this park in Glen Ellen, Illinois, which is like a suburb of Chicago. I don't know if it's still there or not, but it was a very weird part. It was broad daylight. And they said, don't worry about it. You know, the cops are all devil worshippers and, and in the center of the park, there was this like area where they had these weird Egyptian statues. There was like, there literally was an altar with horns, you know, kind of like the pictures you see of the of the altar in the Temple of Solomon, you know, that kind of thing. And they brought out this black book and they're all these names in it. And this one supposed high level Satanist kind of officiated. And I swore an oath to Satan, my allegiance to him, that I would serve him for seven years and he would give me everything I wanted, you know, wine, women's song, power, occult power, whatever. And at the end of those seven years, he could kill me and take me to hell. But that time I had been told that Satanists believe that hell is like 1 long orgy of drugs, sex and rock'n'roll, so to speak, you know? So I didn't think going to hell was a bad thing at that time. So I had to sign my name in blood in this black book. And supposedly this sounds funny, but I was supposed to go out and find seven people to sell their souls to the devil under me, so to speak, sort of like multi level marketing, but for the devil. And I did, I got 7. And I, I feel so bad about this. I've, I've contacted as many of these people as I can find to try and talk them out of it and, you know, repent and all that, but, you know, and still I, I didn't have the things I needed. I had, you know, my life was not good, even though I was supposing this high level warlock, satanic priest, blah, blah, blah. I was working at a nothing job. You know, I was a security guard in a warehouse barely getting by. And then what happened is I'd written a check every year. I wrote a check to the Church of Satan, I think it was for $10 to renew my subscription. They had a newsletter, probably still do, called the Cloven Hoof. And when I got the check back from the bank, 'cause they used to do that, someone had written on the check, some lady by the handwriting, I'll be praying for you in Jesus name. And I just scoffed. And The funny thing is, let me just say, I have not had any contact with Christians. Nobody ever tried to witness to me. Nobody, you know, had ever come to our door and try to, you know, give us track to talk about Jesus. Even the Jehovah Witnesses never came to our door because they were scared of us, you know, because people, people understood, you know, we, they, they'd see us out in the backyard in the moonlight and black robes dancing around, you know. So anyway, I, I got this check and I just scoffed at it. And literally within 24 hours, it was like I was hit with a freight train. I lost all my occult power and believe the magical power is real. I lost my job. I got as sick as a dog. And I thought, what the heck, you know, So we had an altar up in the attic, the whole attic. We painted it black. And we had a magic circle on the floor and a big statue of Pam, you know, the horn God, all kinds of creepy stuff. And I went up there and I knelt and I prayed to Lucifer. And I said, what's going on? I've done everything you've told me. And my life is just increasingly gone. Well, gone to hell, literally. And. The funny thing is, even on his praying to Lucifer, Jesus answered my prayer because the next day we got a call from these two teenage Satanist girls from Chicago. They wanted to come up and meet me because they heard about I was this great Satanic priest. And so they, they came up on the train. They said we had a gift for you. And I thought, well, I could use a gift right now because I just lost my job. I don't have hardly any money, you know? And they show up at the door and they sit adoringly at my feet, and they give me these two comic books from Chick Publication. Yeah. I assume we're familiar with Chick Publications. Speaker 3 I'm not. I think I'm too young for that. Speaker 1 It it's a Christian publishing house. And he made these, I don't know how many there are now, but at the time they were like 15 or so full color comic books, but they were about Christian themes and they were intended to be soul winning tools. And in the back of them there was, you know, a thing about, OK, how do you get born again? And the two that these kids gave me, I say kids because they were probably in their late teens. One was called Spellbound and one was called Angel of Light. And you can look these up. They're probably available online. And they are about the dangers of the occult and about how Lucifer is really the God behind all false religions. And I just looked at them and, you know, whatever, you know, and throw them in the door in the closet and forgot about them. Well, anyway, the next day there's a knock on the door and we open it up and it's Mormon missionaries. Never had one come before. And you're going to always earn, you know, two of them, two young men. And I remember what this guy said. This grandmaster drew it back in, you know, 1973. We're now in 1980, and we join the Mormon church because we thought that was where we were supposed to be. This was a sign from Lucifer. So I joined the Mormon church. I tried to be a good Mormon. I stopped doing dope. I stopped having orgies. I was just monogamous. And the only thing we did, because we have been led to believe by this, this Druid guy that the Mormons were white witches. And so we still did white witchcraft, but we didn't do Satanism anymore. We got all of that out of our lives, went to the temple in the Mormon church, did all their secret rituals, which are very Masonic. The Mormon Church Well, let's actually stop there because this is actually important. What kind of role did you have in the Mormon church? Because we just talked about missionaries coming to your house and you said you joined. Can you explain a little bit, you know, the progression and what kind of role you eventually got there? Yeah. Speaker 1 Well, OK, you get baptized and then after a year, if you, you know, mind your PS and QS and pay your tithing and all of that, you were made an elder. And that's what I was. I was an elder and then later I was made an elders quorum president. So that's like an administrative role right under the Bishop. Now understanding the Mormon church, I don't know if it's still this way, but back then, this is in the 80s, a Bishop, like most people think of a Bishop as some really high level guy. You know, in the Mormon church, the Bishop is the head of a local congregation. They call it a ward, WARD and an elders quorum president is kind of like right under the Bishop and takes care of administrative stuff. And I, I, you get, I had gotten a temple recommend, which is like a, a card that allows you to go to the temple because you're not allowed to go to the temple unless you're worthy. And at that time, we went to Salt Lake City because that's like the Cadillac of Mormon temples, the Salt Lake Temple. And we went through the rituals. And that, I'll tell you, that's a whole story in itself. Do you want to get into that? Speaker 3 Of course, yeah. Speaker 1 OK, well, so we go now. Mind you, we had information from this grandmaster drew it. He said, give these words to the guy when you go into the Mormon temple. And they had a system which is probably kind of ahead of its time. This was, let's see, 1981 where you had this card and it had a code on it like nowadays everybody's familiar with there's some kind of magnetic coding. They'd put it in the machine and that would indicate you're legit. And then we were, we were told to say these words and when they set, put these words into the computer after our, our card, the whole system, like it crashed the entire computer system. And so they didn't know what to do about that. So they got rid of the people that they could. They took us through the ritual, which involves a whole, I mean, it's hours long. It's kind of like the, the Masonic ritual on steroids. I mean, you go downstairs, you get all basically naked. They wash your body and it's done man to man, woman to woman, but they wash your body. They anoint your body with oil. You're given this magical temple garment which you may or may not have heard of. And what's interesting is just to back one step up. A lot of people don't know Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon Church. In 1844 he was made a master Mason in Nauvoo, IL and after he was made a master race and he kind of stole most of the Masonic ritual and created this temple ceremony. The whole thing is just bizarre and I go into great depth. I have a video called Mormonism's Temple of Doom, a DVD that you can get that goes into all this in detail. But anyway, this is this is where it gets kind of odd because after this is all over, we were invited to go meet with the president of the Salt Lake Temple, which is kind of a big deal. And he said, what can I do for you? And I said, well, we've been told, we didn't say by a druid, but we've been told that we need to talk to an apostle. Now understand in the Mormon Church there's this hierarchy. There's the prophet who is called the president, and then there's a First Presidency, which is 2 advisors and the prophet under them are 12 apostles. So he said, well, I'll see what I can do. So he arranged for us to go to the church office building and meet with one of the 12 apostles. At that time it was Elder James Faust. Believe it or not, that was his name, Faust, which is kind of weird if you Faust is a very prominent name in the history of the occult. So we went there up into the church office building. And to make a Long story short, he said, well, what do you want to talk to us about? I said, well, we had these dreams. This is true. And again, back then, nobody knew what was going on in the Mormon temples that the the stuff had not been made public in any way. A couple years after this, a couple chuckle. Chuck and Dolly Saget put out a book called What's Going On In There? They were former temple workers, and they revealed the whole thing. But at this time, there was no way anybody. And I said, we saw this ritual where this there was this white altar with a satin covering just like what's in the celestial room of the Mormon Temple. And on it was this naked young girl. And everybody was around chanting pale Lucifer. And he said, this apostle guy, he said, well, I can tell you our very extraordinary people and I bury you my solemn testimony. This is a big deal. If you ever talked to a Mormon, if they start saying I bury you, my solemn testimony, this is like a big deal for them that what you have said is true. And if you can come to Salt Lake and live here, we will find a place for you in the worship of the temple. Speaker 3 So I'm actually curious about one thing. The similarities between Freemasonry and Mormonism You talked about the Druid telling you that the Luciferian secrets were found in Freemasonry and in the Mormon Church, right? And you had been a Freemason at that point. You also went to the the temple in Salt Lake. Can you talk about the similarities, if there are some, and what are they between Freemasonry and Mormonism? Speaker 1 Well first of all, if you go to temple square, you'll see Masonic handshakes, you'll see me all seeing eye, you'll see the sun, the moon, the stars. There's no crosses on the Mormon temple. There's nothing Christian on the outside of the Mormon temple. When you get inside the temple, most of the similarities are the fact you go through 3 levels and in each level you're made to you. You're taught hand sides and handshakes and things that are all very similar to Masonic stuff. And you are made to swear an oath. And you went in the first level, which I think it's, I mean it's been ages since I've gone through all of this. You put your hand to your throat and go like this, the same as you do in, in the enter The Apprentice degree of the Masonic Lodge in a third level, you are taught a another set of secret handshakes and then you're instructed. And this is where it gets really Masonic. You're instructed to go up and they have this veil, which they say is like the veil in Solomon's Temple. So you've got Masonic markings. You have a square and a compass on the two here. 2 You know your chest, you have another marking on your navel and another Masonic marking on your knee. OK, the same markings are on the veil, but they're stitched, so they're holes. And there is a guy on the other side of the veil that you can't see who represents Heavenly Father. He represents God. And you go up to this guy and you're instructed. You put your hand through the veil, and this is called the five points of fellowship. And this is right out of Masonry and white, right out of witchcraft with Gardnerian, Alexanderian witchcraft and Masonry and Mormonism all have these five points. And the five points of fellowship are foot to foot, knee to knee, hand to back, breast to breast, and mouth to ear. I think I got that right. And anyhow, so you're embracing this unknown guy through this veil, and he whispers to you the secret name of the the Celestial Kingdom. And you ready for this? Speaker 3 I, I don't know, I think. Speaker 1 It's health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews, power in the priesthood be upon me and my posterity for all generations of time and all eternity. Now that might sound reasonably benign, except for the fact that it's almost word for word out of the Satanic grimoire. It's a satanic incantation. The only difference is that obscene words are used. And then when you're done with that, this guy draws you through the veil into what is called the celestial room, the celestial Kingdom. And basically it's like this beautifully appointed. Everything is in a white or light beige, you know, with sofas. It looks like being in a really fancy hotel lobby and people are invited to to just sit and absorb the wonderfulness of it. And they believe literally that God the father, who they believe to be a man in a body. And they believe that he invisibly walks around this Celeste children. And they, and I don't know if you know this or not, that they believe he has hundreds of goddess wives and that he is constantly impregnating these wives who give birth to spirit children who come down. And they they believe that every child that is born on earth is first fathered in heaven with Heavenly Father and one of his goddess wives. Speaker 3 Yeah, I've heard about that. And I think a lot of Mormons, if they hear you talking to. So that's not true. But if you actually go back to the history of what Joseph Smith taught, like you'll see. And if you talk to some of the elders probably in the Mormon church that know about this stuff, they'll tell you about it. But what I find and what you said is essentially that, you know, the details of Mormonism and Freemasonry, like the, the details are different, but the structure is very, very similar. And you can see where it kind of Joseph Smith took it from, especially since he was a Freemason. So that's super interesting. I want to go back to your story, though, because you joined the Mormon Church to try to help your life. How did your life look inside the Mormon Church? Your life was you were really struggling at the time and you're trying to, you know, become a better person, have a better life and all of that. What did your life look like inside of the Mormon church? Speaker 1 Well, it was. It was better. But of course, part of that was because I was no longer actively worshipping the devil. I mean, I thought I was worshipping the true God, but I wasn't. And I eschewed all of my vices. I mean, I was no longer doing cocaine or smoking dope or I never was one for drinking alcohol. So I mean, it was better, but as I rose in the ranks, and this is kind of an I'm glad you asked this question as I became an elders quorum president. And again, I don't know how things are now, but back in this and then this was in the early 80's. The elders foreign president was supposed to see that all of these guys under him, these elders would go out and visit every home in the ward in the the local congregation to see how they were doing and to bring them a message from the prophet quote, UN quote. And I'll tell you one thing the Mormons get right, like I tell people, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And they're they are very good at taking care of their people. If you saw a neighbor who was in trouble in some way, like the need of their sidewalk shell or whatever, you would go do that. And the idea was you were going to go and love bomb this neighbor and make them want to join the Mormon church. And that's pretty good. You know, I mean, I, I don't fault that, but you know, you got to realize for me, just let me just put this in perspective. At this time, I had a job working in a retail store 40 hours a week. In addition to that, I literally had to spend another 40 hours a week working for the Mormon church with no pay because none of the people they said at the very highest levels of the Mormon church get any salary. So again, that's an admirable thing, but I was just working myself to death. And I often times I would have to go and do the home teaching because I couldn't find somebody else to do it. And I would visit these people and I would talk to these people. I'll tell you this one story. There was this one guy, I won't say his name, but he was this older fellow. He was sweet as can be, married, had a family, but he was stuck at being a Deacon. A Deacon is a 12 year old boy. If you turned the age of 12 years old, the Bishop lays hands on you and makes you a Deacon. So this guy was stuck at being a Deacon because he wasn't worthy. Why wasn't he worthy? He couldn't stop smoking. And as you may know, there's the big no no's in the Mormon churches. You can't smoke, of course, you can't take any kind of illegal drugs, and you can't drink coffee. So this guy was trying. You know, I don't know if you've ever been a smoker, but it's a hard thing to get off your back. And I would give this guy priesthood blessings. I would pray with him. I would fast with him. I do all this and he was stuck. He was going to end up being like the Mormon church's only 90 year old Deacon because of the merciless quality of Mormonism and the fact that it didn't really have any power to transform his life. And there were numerous stories like that. And it began to put a crack in my belief in Mormonism because I thought, OK, if this is the true church, which is what they teach, then why if I'm, if I'm holding the priesthood, you know, I was a holy Melchizedek priesthood elder. And if I laid hands on a guy to be set free from nicotine, why didn't that work, especially when I was doing it like every week? Speaker 3 Especially because you had been in the occult before and you had some of the power of the occult. And so it's like you understood that there was power somewhere and that Lucifer could give you power and that you thought you were in the true church and you found none of this power. The Power of Lucifer So I I understand, but what did you do? Because you said it started to question your whole worldview. Like how did that develop over time? Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I'm and OK leaving on that. I ended up having to move out of Milwaukee because at that time my wife wanted to go to nursing school and there was a nursing school in Dubuque. That was good. And so I was without a job and I had some time on my hands and I was trying to find work and I was plugged into the local Mormon church in Dubuque, the the ward there. But of course, I was no longer an elders form present and I saw this thing in the local Penny advertiser, you know, that said, oh, there's going to be a prophecy seminar at this park. I don't know. Well, that's good. I thought, I can go to this prophecy seminar because he didn't say what church it was. And I can steal some sheep because I belong to a church that's being run by a true prophet, you know, whoop Dee Doo. And so I went to this thing and I had never been to a Protestant service. And there was this evangelist up there and they were talking about the Book of Revelation. And this guy was presenting the gospel in the context of explaining that their version of what the Book of Revelation means. So anyway, he was talking about how you're saved by grace. Through faith, you know, the basic Christian gospel. And I kind of raised my hand being, you know, this wise acre because they didn't know I was a Mormon. And you see, Warren's teach that basically there's only two choices for the true church, Either the Catholics who claim, you know, to have this Apostolic succession all the way back to Peter up to the present day, or else Joseph Smith, who was supposedly given this mandate in the year 1830 by the Angel Moroni and by John the Baptist and whatever. And because they said that all the Protestant churches were split off of the Catholic Church, and so therefore they had no authority. And so either you got to be a Catholic, you got to be a Mormon. And so I raised this point with this guy and he says to me, where do you get the the idea that you need to be baptized in order to be saved? It says in Acts 1631, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved and thy house. And that was the Bible verse that hit me, you know, because I already read the whole King James Bible, because the Mormons use the King James Bible. I read the Bible through five times as a Mormon, but I've never seen that verse. Like, you know how Bible verses leap out at you? And this verse went through my magic Mormon underwear like a bullet through a sheet of wedge tissue paper. And I went home when I was trembling and I prayed and I fasted because that's what Mormons are supposed to do. If you run into a spiritual dilemma, it says write in Doctrine and Covenants, which is one of the the Mormon scriptures of the four. They have 4 scriptures. They have the Bible, the Book of Mormon Doctrine Covenants and the Pearl of Great Christ. And I prayed and I fasted and supposedly if you do that, if what you're thinking of is true, you get a burning in your bosom. And if it's not true, the Holy Spirit will send you a stupor of mine and you will forget what you're even talking about. So I didn't get either 1 And so I did bring to mind the comic books that I had gotten five years earlier or more by this time. And I went and dug them out because I'm in the back. It was hard to be a Christian. And so I got down at the foot of my bed, I knelt, I took off my magic Mormon underwear because I didn't want any static on the line when I talked to God. And I prayed the prayers in the back of that comic book. And I got born again and that was the beginning of my journey as a true Christian. So I, I got saved partly through the Assemblies of God. But then I was going to study to be a minister. And there were stipulations that if you were either you or your wife were divorced and my wife was a divorcee, you can't be a minister At that time. That was the rule in the assembly. So I went over to the force for a church, which is, I don't know if you're familiar with charismatic churches, but it's another charismatic church. And there the pastor and his wife did deliverance. I mean I I set free with a whole legion of demons I'm sure. Speaker 3 Especially with the things you were involved in, a lot of which we didn't, we didn't touch on because they, they're quite graphic. And you know, for the sake of time, we can't talk about everything that you've gone through because you have so much. There's something that you talked about, obviously we talked about you selling your soul. The Covenant with the Devil Now you accepted Jesus. I remember you talking about how the the covenant or the deal that you made with the devil was for seven years. So what happened with that? Speaker 1 Well, thankfully, OK, that was made in 19. Let's see, that was 1979 and I got saved in 1984. And when I got saved, that wiped out that stupid covenant. It took the power of the devil off of me because I became a child of God. And of course, I renounced that covenant part of, you know, I mean, I know there's different ways that people do deliverance. And I don't know how familiar you are with deliverance. But you know, one of the things that we encourage people to do it and I was encouraged to do was like, I went through and I renounced all of my Masonic oaths. I renounce all the oaths and covenants I took in the Mormon Church. I renounced the baptismal vows of the Catholic Church and I renounced that oath that I took to the devil in that park in Glen Ellen and nailed it all of the cross. Speaker 3 So it was you became a Christian before the seven years had actually passed. And who knows would have happened if that didn't. I guess we're never going to know. But there's something else that I would not be a good interview or if I didn't ask you, because Freemasonry is kind of a secret thing. How did you become open against Freemasonry as a former Mason? You can't talk about it. You already mentioned that you're breaking these rules. How were you able to be so open against Freemasonry as a former Mason? Do you have any repercussions? Did did that ever happened to you? Can you explain that? Speaker 1 Yeah, you could say that. I have had so many attempts on my life can't even begin to tell you. But what partially helped me was the fact and I'll just insert this little tale since you say you like stories. When I moved to Dubuque, I wanted to go and reconnect to the Masonic Lodge in Dubuque. And so I went to the most. And this was right after literally about a week after I got born again. The, the Masonic Lodge had, they call it a hell, a high 12 luncheon, which was on Friday noon and everybody was welcome. And I went to this luncheon. It was like a free meal. And I got in there and it's down in the basement of the, this big lodge thing downtown Dubuque. And as I was eating, I could feel this darkness for the, I've been in Masonic lodges hundreds of times. But because now I had the Holy Spirit within me, I could feel something dark and evil and oppressing just pushing down on me. And I, you know, ate the lunch and I even I felt like this voice in my head saying, my son, get out of here. So I even skipped dessert, which for me, it was a big deal back then. And I, I went outside and then this is in June into the bright June sunshine. And I felt like this, this incredible weight was off me. So I went home and I was led go to Ezekiel chapter 8. Let me, let me just read because it's it's amazing how this dovetailed with the Masonic Lodge. OK, here we are. I'm not going to read. It's kind of long, but he, he says he's digging through the wall and he says, you know, and this is in verse 13, chapter 8. He said to me that this Angel or whatever turn thee yet again and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do, meaning the elders of Israel. And he brought me to the gate of the Lord's house, which is toward the north. And behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Now Tom Lewis is a false, slain and risen God. He's part of the Masonic panting. Then said unto him, As thou seen this, O Son of man, turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see thee greater abominations in these. And he brought. Now this is critical. Verse 16. And he brought me to the inner court of the Lord's house. And behold the door of the temple of the Lord. Between the porch and the elder were about 5 and 20 men with their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, and they worship the sun toward the east. Now why is that important? Well, Masonic temples are required to face eat the the Worshipful Master is in the east and he is a symbol of the sun and all the devotions of the Masonic Lodge face E that means theoretically they ever have the back to the Ark of the Covenant. They have their back to the truth and there's a thing in Masonic ritual when every they have a ritual you go through whenever they open the lodge. You know, every week they open the lodge and they go around when they come to the worship of Master, it says as the sun rises in the east to rule and govern the day, so also rises the worship of Master in the east to rule and govern the lodge. And then the Master stands up and he knocks up the lodge, which means he wraps the Chapel three times. And the symbolism was so vivid when I saw that scripture, because I had been immersed in Masonry for 9 years, I knew it backwards and forwards. And I realized this was an indictment of the Masonic Lodge. And within a week I sent a letter to the Masonic Lodge and asked to have my name taken off the world. Speaker 3 There, there's so much and and for the sake of time, I know you have to go. So we'll have to wrap it up. It's unfortunate because there's so many things that we could talk about, but you wrote books. You have a bunch of stuff. If people want more detail, think they can go there, they can find you. I'll put all the links on the website to go in the description of of this this episode. You'll be able to find all of that. But to end. But I want to ask you and give you this opportunity to give a message, and usually I only ask people one. Message to Witches & Satanists But for you, I wanted to make it a little bit different because you've been in so many different things. You know, you were a Satanist to Freemason and a Mormon. So if you had a message to give to each one of these people that are listening today, would it be? Speaker 1 Well, I mean, let me start with the witches slash Satanist. I mean those people are worshipping power. They, they think they are trying to become one with nature, but the power they are trying to tap is the power of the devil. And I know a lot of these, even some Satanists will say we don't believe in the devil except as an archetype, as a symbol. But they're whistling in the dark. They're making a grave mistake that can cost them their souls. Because you know it doesn't matter what you think you believe. The truth with a capital T is out there and Yeshua is the way, the truth and the life. And if you reject Him, as most witches and Satanists do, then your fate is not good. It's not that God is this big meaning in the sky. He's going to send you to hell. It's your decision to ignore Christ or to mock Christ, whatever you want to call it, that is the decision that's going to cost you an eternity in a very dark place and you don't want to do that. And essentially that same, I would say that same message. I mean, Masons, again, a lot of Masons are Christians. But the problem is, you know, like Elijah said to the prophets of Baal in one Kings 18, How long halt ye between two opinions? If Baal is God, serve him for that. The Lord is God, Serve him. The Mason, you might be the nicest person you might imagine, but he's got one. He's knelt at the altar of Baal. He may have one knee on the altar of Christ and one knee on the altar of Baal. And these two things are going to drift apart. And in my experience, I've been ministering to Freemasons since 1988 and it's very hard for a mate for a Christian Mason to keep his testimony strong. It's very because the the Masonic lives will just suck all the spiritual fire off of you. So you need to get out of it because the devil is after you. And even though it might seem good at the time, you know, there's a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death. And I'd say the same, almost the same thing to the Mormons. Except the problem is when the Mormons, you're totally worshipping a false God, you're totally worshipping a false Jesus. You're following a plan of salvation, which is absolutely false. And you're in a very dark, I mean, Mormonism is honesty darker than Mason, in my humble opinion. So if you're in the Mormon church, you probably don't feel that evil. But the men at the top of the Mormon church are devil worshippers. And that spiritual power is percolating downward into you and into your family because of the way headship and authority works in in the world. So again, you need to get out of the Mormon church. You need to find a good Christian Church that really believes in the Bible and you know, again, renounce it. Renounce your baptism and you, if you've been to the temple, renounce your temple vows and then go and get baptized by a Christian pastor, you know, and you'll be hopefully on your way. But yeah, all three of those paths ultimately will end in the same place, even though the ones seem much darker than the other two. But the devil disguises himself as an Angel of light, Paul tells us, so that he can deceive us. So that's what I would say, trust in Yeshua, Jesus Christ, don't trust in Joseph Smith, don't trust in the false Christ of Masonry was called Hiram Beef, and certainly don't trust in Satan. Speaker 2 Thanks for listening to this episode of the Young Most False Podcast. Unfortunately, Bill is a very busy man and I only had a couple hours with him, which is woefully insufficient to talk about everything that he's experienced. I'm trying to get him on the show again. If that happens I'll leave a link in the description, but whether it happens or not, I highly encourage you to go check out his content. If you want more in depth knowledge about what he said, then his books are the best place to go. You can find them by clicking the guest info link in the description of this episode. Thank you again for listening. I hope you learned something. Have a good one and stay blessed.