Forgotten War Heroes Who Changed The World - The Fat Electrician - #1165

How do you describe what you do? Someone asks you what a dinner party. Tell stories. I make videos on the internet is usually my go-to. It's a weird job. 32-year-old man don't really enjoy calling myself an influencer or, uh, I guess, YouTubers of the one I'll say. I used to say content creator then all the only fans' girls took that title so I don't want people to assume and I do only fans. It would be a very interesting kind of only fans. Everybody getting blown up, limbs being lost. Stories from history. Yeah, I guess it is, because historian, content creator, I mean, I came across your stuff when I was first researching Sir Adrian Paul Gisleyne Carton-Dewat. Yeah. Obviously, you know, classified for British, although I think he was Belgian parents, maybe Belgian French parents. And I was like, this is, this stuff absolutely rules. Just finding hardcore people from history, main characters. Yeah, main character energy. Yeah. Historical main character energy and then retelling their stories in a way. There's two things. It's the telling of the story in a compelling way with interesting elements and detail that feels immersive, but it's also the selection of who is the person. You know, because if it was just retelling stories that everybody's heard before, it wouldn't be quite so interesting. It's like the deep cuts from history that's it's the B side songs that you should have listened to that you don't know about the rules. Yeah, I mean, it's, you see it more and more, the more time that goes on, the more selective the US government, at least I don't know about British, but the more selective the US government has gotten about like who they promote as a war hero. Like we've gotten to the point after Vietnam where we almost never promote war heroes. Like I would speculate the average American can't name a single metal of honor recipient post Vietnam, almost impossible. Gave out plenty of them during the global war on terror. I bet the average American can't name a single one is because we quit celebrating it. We quit. Why do you think that? I'm famous. Now we're going to get into conspiracy theories. I would say the main reason is fractional reserve banking if I had to guess. For war heroes. War heroes and fractional reserve, but yeah, absolutely. That's why we could donate. Okay, go on. World War Two. How did America pay for the war? Cost a lot of money. How do we do it? I don't know. We collected taxes. What happens when we didn't have enough taxes? In America, we sold, we sold these things called war bonds. It's basically a government bond that you would go to a war bond rally and they would have like a war hero speak or they'd have a presentation. Get everybody amped up. That America's number one. We're going to go beat the Nazis and get revenge for Pearl Harbor. People get amped up and they go and they invest in war bonds, which is basically a promise from the US government of like, hey, give us 50 bucks and in five years, we're going to give you 60 bucks back. That's how we did it because that's how we had to do it. In World War Two, every time somebody got a medal of honor and you see this recurring in all my World War Two videos, whenever somebody gets a medal of honor and accomplishes something incredible, almost nine times out of 10, they're immediately shipped back home to America and put on a war bonds tour. They put them on a war bonds tour to go around the country to raise more money for the war because that is the most effective thing that they could be doing for the overall war effort at that point in time. From war hero to fundraiser? We're hero to fundraiser. They parade them around. They show them off. They make them famous. They become celebrities so that they can raise more money to keep fighting this war. We got to buy more bullets. We got to buy more tanks. We got to buy everything and this guy is going to get us a million dollars to do it. That's what they do. While after World War Two, we went away from the gold standard, we went away from all the other stuff, we have fractional reserve banking now. The US government doesn't need to raise money from people. They can just print more money whenever they feel like it. Is patriotism not a goal in itself? Not utilizing war heroes. They're more effective, cheap, easy. No, I think the US government, specifically, this is kind of one, they don't have to do it that way anymore. It's just easier to not do it. It's just easier to print more money, right? But B, there's flight risk with making somebody famous. If the US government takes a war hero, a 22 year old and says, this is the model American. This is Captain America. This is who you should be looking up to. This guy's been through it. His opinion is something that you should listen to. That's a loose cannon that could turn on him at some point. Dakota Maya starts tweeting the end words. Exactly. And that's also why it's so much harder to get the Medal of Honor today. It's such a stricter criteria because they're no longer just looking at what did you perform on the battlefield to earn this? Now it becomes a political flight risk of well, is this guy going to make us look bad in the future? How optic safe are you? How narrative aligned are you? There's a humongous portion of that now, much bigger than there ever was. Can you bring up the US list of Medal of Honours in chronological order? Can we see who's been issued it most recently? I bet this is one's happened this year and we don't even know about it. Probably. Yeah. But that is, I guess I just assumed that having people like your own country is an end in itself. It's this aggregate, like, good weather of just, well, people like the country, but I understand that if you put a lot of key man risk, as it's known, into a few particular points of failure and those fail, especially very publicly on the internet, you're kind of screwed. I think it's also, you know, obviously America has, we're more pro veteran community than I would say a lot of other countries, but it's still it's gone down a lot in my lifetime and in recent years. And I think, I don't think it's an accident. I think they do that on purpose to kind of take away the opinion of, or the political power of the veteran community, right? Because when you think about the veteran community now, half the conversation is they're all victims. They all have PTSD. They're all this. They're all that. And I think that's on purpose because they don't want, you know, an organized group of veterans that get together at the VFW coming forward and calling out this politician or that politician. Highly skilled, highly dangerous, very well reputed. Well, it's not even that. It's not even like the physical threat of violence. It's just the, if we ingrain in American culture that veterans have that veterans are a good bellweather on what our opinions should be and what our value should be, then they have to stick to that. You know, and you kind of see this back in between World War one and World War two, like the World War one veterans weren't getting their benefits. They marched on DC. They had a humongous veterans rally on DC. They had to call in the active duty military to drive off the veterans that were demanding their benefits that they weren't getting given. The old godvices and you god kind of exactly, but like they don't want veterans to be able to organize like that influence politics in that way anymore either. Let's have a look at this list. Do you got a mark? Yeah, so that was the pilot that, uh, Chinook helicopter pilot, who's led around horn by machine gun fire, but safely landed the helicopter, allowing the mission to continue. This was the guy that did, this was Maduro. Yeah. He's getting pinned that metal of honor while holding a walker, I believe. Yeah, you can see he's holding the walker because he's like, he's fresh out of the hospital. Yeah, toned pieces. Yeah. I mean, that's a quick turnaround. I don't know. What does it say when he got it? It was like, it was real quick. It was like a month or two. It was, is that do you think that that's a little bit retrospectively trying to gloss over the, hey, we stole a world leader from another another country? Like it was still in the blast radius of man. I'm not going to comment on the political ramifications, but it's definitely one of the coolest things any military has ever done ever. It's actually my favorite post on Reddit that I've never seen. Explaining the Maduro, right? There was, uh, there was this post that some guy made, like a year prior, that was like, I'm so sick of how Hollywood portrays special forces in green berets and navy seals, like they're these Rambo characters that you could send in five of these guys to completely topple an entire nation. That's not how this works. If you send in five navy seals to kidnap a president, they would all wind up murdered or have black bags over their heads and get executed on TV. And then this happened and he comes back a year later in comments. Guys, that was wrong. I don't know what I'm saying. Dude, I had a DJ Shipley sat there and he was talking about the Maduro raid and he was like, that is like the Olympic final for any guy that got that call and he used this analogy. He was like, if you rang me or any of the guys that was serving with me and said, you can do this, but you need to cut off a finger. And he was like, we're going. Like anyone would have picked up the phone to have done that. And it's, I don't know, it's, it's strange now being friends with people like Andy Stump or with DJ or whatever. And realizing it is a little bit like a sport to them, they want to play against the best team. Yeah. They want to have a unique opportunity, oh, the World Cup final, whatever the equivalent is, that it's not just about the act of what's going on. It's also your capacity, how much challenge you're going to face. That's a very fascinating sort of third window that you don't really think about. I mean, I don't know, you spend your entire life building a really fast race car. You want to drive it, right? Straight into that. You want to take it out of the garage and see what it can do. Straight into that. Yeah. What's a common thread between most of the people, most of the heroes that you cover? Oh, common thread. I mean, obviously they're all like incredible war heroes. I really like covering the guys that you've just, you've never heard of, you know, all these guys that have accomplished incredible things. And I think that overall history, history sucks now in school. It's boring. So historians generally speaking at, in academia, they teach history zoomed out like they start completely zoomed out and then they slowly zoom in. But by the time you get zoomed in, where all the interesting relatable stuff is, you've already lost everybody's attention, right? So like a teacher in academia is going to talk about like, all right, well, we're going to talk about World War two. But before we could talk about World War two, we actually need to talk about World War one and how that led into the Treaty of Versailles and how the Treaty of Versailles is actually the reason that was the catalysts that started World War two. And then this and then that nobody cares. Like pick a war hero and be like, Hey, here's Richard Bong. He's a P 38 pilot in the Pacific. Why is he in the Pacific? Pearl Harbor happened. What was Pearl Harbor? It was this. Richard Bong accomplished this at this time at this battle. Here's how this battle influenced the overall course of the war. I think when you start zoomed in and then slowly zoom out, you cover less history, but people actually learn and actually retain it. Have you seen those studies done on if you tell a story for a charitable contribution, tell a story of one person, one poor kid in a forgotten village somewhere that needs water and that look at how influential that is at donations, then he said, okay, well two kids should be twice as effective because there's twice as much and then a whole village of people, that's like 50 times or 100 times as effective, but it's not that human brain sort of discounts the importance as you start to spread out. We're not good at doing quantitative maths, I guess, but also we resonate with the story and the emotional impact. And I think that piercing in and going, Hey, care about this guy or this girl or this fucking horse. And from there, we're now going to spread out and you can actually begin, you're invested in this guy. Oh, why is he interesting? Well, he's actually embroiled to this sort of this web of shit that's going on and this is now, so I think you told me right. Yeah, you got to give him something to actually relate to, like give them a situation they could see themselves in. And then they're asking themselves question like, how would I react if that happened? Wow, he actually did that. I hope I'm the type of person that can do that. And then that's how you actually get people to like learn other things that aren't dates and locations of battles. You can actually start teaching like this guy's a great dude. Here's the things that made him great. Here was the circumstances he was in and here's the decisions that he made anyways despite the fact that might not have been in his best interest. Like, so you're not only learning history like we think of normally, but you're learning the history of like decision making and how to be a good person, a good man, a good leader, a war hero. And I think that's just as important, if not more important. I mean, what's the the point of learning history to not repeat mistakes? What a better way to learn it. Tell me if this sounds familiar. You train regularly, you eat reasonably well. You feel fine, but you're just kind of going off vibes. Most people have absolutely no idea what's going on inside their body. And that is why I partnered with function. Function gives you access to more than 160 advanced lab tests spanning hormones, heart health kidney function, and even detects early signals linked to more than 50 types of cancer. To put that in perspective, your typical annual physical might test 20 markers function runs over 160. It's huge. Best of all, you test twice a year and everything lives inside of a simple dashboard. 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The ones that I take the most pride in probably are the guys that I managed to track down that don't even have Wikipedia pages yet. And then after I do a video, they get a Wikipedia page. So like, there's been a couple of those. Those were really cool. Logan Weston is probably the coolest one that I think I've covered that didn't have a Wikipedia page, which is incredible because the dude fought in World War II and Korea and Vietnam and had every metal under the sun. I mean, a couple of the pictures. He's got his shadow box and metals. It's as tall as he is. Over 300 metals. Crazy military career. What's his name? Logan Weston, the fighting preacher. Okay. What did he do? His nickname. That's his metals. He got shafted for the metal of honor, but he has everything else. Okay. Yeah. That's insane. So yeah, you're right. It's from the floor to above his nipples. It's just different metals. Yep. Absolutely. Crazy. So Logan Weston was grew up and, you know, poor kid and worked in coal mines, worked as a lumberjack doing all these jobs. And then he goes through a series of events where he it's during the Great Depression. And one of his friends, it has like a wife and kids is unable to find a job. So he goes to the coal mine that he works and is like, hey, can we get my buddy a job? And he's like, no, we don't have any work. We barely have enough work for you. And he's like, okay, well, he's a good dude. Give him my job and I'll go not work because he's got a wife and kids to support. I don't. So he gets his buddy this job. We collated the coal mine collapse. This bunch of people die. Right. So he's and then he goes gets work as a lumberjack. His buddy survives a coal mining collapse, gives his buddy's lumberjack job. Major logging accident, bunch of people die. And he just, he feels like all this death is going on around him. And he gets in this super low point and he ends up trying to take his own life. And he sticks the gun to his head and pulls the trigger. It doesn't go off. And right as he like, he's pulling the trigger on the gun. And right before the hammer drops, he said he heard somebody say, wait. And he goes to stop, but the hammer drops. Anyways, gun doesn't go off. And he's like, what just happened? And then he walks outside and shoots that same gun that didn't go off right into a tree and it goes off. So he kind of interprets this as God given him a second chance. And he decides he's going to give his life to God. And he decides he's going to go become a preacher goes to college, whatever the college, the Christian college school to become a minister or whatever. And while he's there like his sophomore year, the draft kicks off. And he finds out he's got to go fight in World War II because you can't get a college exemption for a religious college because they don't count it at the time. So he gets drafted and you know, this is 1940 or 39. So America's not even in the war yet. Pearl Harbor hasn't happened. But they're already starting the draft. And he shows up. He just gets on the bus. He gets off the bus. And they're like, all right, if you want to be infantry go over there, you want to be a medic go over there. You want to be artillery go over there. You want to be this go over there. There's no internet. There's no TV. At this point, he has no idea what any of these words even mean. He just gets choose. He gets to choose. Take your own adventure. But he doesn't even know what the words are. You know what I mean? Because like today, we kind of have a general idea of like, oh, this is that. That's a watch TV. I've seen movies. None of that. So he's like, I don't know. So he just wanders over to infantry and goes off and becomes an infantry man. And he's at I think he just finished up AIT to become an infantry man gets stationed at his unit when Pearl Harbor gets attacked and mass chaos everywhere. Nobody knows what's going on. He gets stationed and sent out with a group of guys to basically guard the Mississippi River in case the Japanese launch some type of other attack through this major. That was a fear that was. Oh yeah, they were they were deploying troops all over the country because they had they had no idea what was going on or where they were going to attack next. Nobody knew anything. And you have hundreds of thousands of guys with guns ready to like spread them out, I guess. Stop them somewhere if they show up. So yeah, I mean, he was like literally camping out on the Mississippi River for like six weeks, I think he said. And then they called him back in and he winds up getting deployed. He gets sent over to the Pacific and he's getting told, you know, you're going to be the tip of the spear. When we get off this boat, you're going to hop in the Higgins boat like saving private Ryan, like the movies you're going to make an amphibious landing and enemy territory. I mean, take a machine gun fire by this point. He's he's leading a platoon. He's a platoon sergeant because he was in before Pearl Harbor even happened. So he's one of the most experienced guys, even though he's never been in war yet. And yeah, the the door drops and he goes running off this Higgins boat, almost drowns. He storms the beach and is like, enemy is not shooting at us. What's going on? And then they start walking up this beach and it's like, there's dead bodies everywhere. There's our dead bodies. There's looks like everything's just been destroyed and ransacked. And he's like, what is going on? Then they bump into the Marines. Well, it turns out he got sent to Guadalcanal, which is a major battle in the Pacific for the Marine Corps. And he was told they were going to be the first ones there. He showed up like five months after the Marine Corps already been there. Like that battle already took place and was over by the time he got there. But he ran off this Higgins boat like heart racing like he was about to get into the shit. And it was like, it was done by the time he got there. So he he's on Guadalcanal for a little bit longer. And then they send him to a different island called New Georgia, very similar island warfare. This time he actually is one of the first guys there. So at New Georgia, I mean, this is Pacific combat jungle warfare brutal. You're out there for days of the time in the jungle. You got trench foot skin infections, hot, everything's working against you. His company gets sent out on a mission and they get surrounded. And they get surrounded for, I want to say 29 days straight, cut off with no supplies, literally starving, just holding line against the Japanese when they try to rush him and the Japanese are just starving him out. And in his memoir that he wrote later in life, he talks about they ran out of food three days in. They only had the food they could bring with them. Nobody knew where they were at. They were called the Lost Battalion that's been a name that gets given to every group of guys to get lost or whatever. But say at 29 days, they wind up surviving. He's like one of the last guys that's still ambulatory by the end of it. So that happens and then he gets shipped back. They regain some weight, get sent back out on another mission, get surrounded again. And this time it's for like two weeks. But it's a bunch of dudes that have already been through this. So they know the game. So this time, they're like, they've got some native guides within this time. And they're like, he writes about how yeah, they were surrounded, but they would just get in the firefight, repel the Japanese. And then they were actually having the native guides go around showing them what plants were edible and they were having like cooking competitions to see who could make the best food out of the surrounding vegetation and whatever MREs they had. So like they had a much better time, the second time they were surrounded. Everyone, when you go back to a holiday destination for the second time, you've got a little bit more expertise. I think that's the, I've had that experience. Yeah, well, I mean, it's just like the, you know, I've been in this very shitty situation before. I got through it then. I'm going to get through it this time. And now I've got the expertise. So he handles it way better and it's actually funny. So when they go to get out of this situation, they're running low on ammo. So the commander of his company basically is like, Weston, you're our most experienced guy. I trust you the most. Grab a guide. Go out at night, poke around, see if you can find a gap in the enemy line. And we're going to, you know, try to get out of here. And he takes his guide with him and, you know, it's daylight by the time they're out there. They wind up running into the Japanese. They take a bunch of machine gunfire. They dive into a ditch. They hide in a swamp. They get away. After they get out of the swamp, they get all the mud off and they check the guide first. The guide's fine. He didn't get shot. Logan, Weston. It's in my video, but I can't remember these exact spots. But he took one round to his helmet that skirted around the helmet and fell out. Didn't actually hit him. He took another round like in this part of his coat went straight through. I think he took one through his pocket and then he took one in the heel of his boot. But he was completely unscathed. The local is a guy that grew up on a Pacific Island, right? He's not, he's never seen anything like this. So what he does is he interprets this as, wow, your God that you're always talking about. Because remember, he's the fighting preacher, very religious guy. He's always, you know, doing little church services and people for people. So the guide knows that he talks about this a lot. So he interprets it as, wow, your God must be really powerful to be able to protect you like that. And he's like, can I, can I be a Christian too? And Logan's like, yeah, man, you can be a Christian. And he's like, so they like out in the jungle, they say a little prayer together. And from this guy's perspective, he's now a Christian and he's protected by God to the same level at Logan Weston. So he starts like singing and dancing loudly behind enemy lines because what's the worst that could happen? The enemy's going to miss me with bullets. So Logan spends rest of it. I'm like, dude, shut the fuck up. It doesn't work that way. Be quiet. He wasn't buying it so like, and it's just, that's the funny shit that happens in these stories where it's like, yeah, that's awesome. So they get back from that mission. His unit does wind up punching through and they get saved. After that, Logan gets back and he gets two letters from home. They're post dated like six months prior. He's been in the jungle the whole time. Old letters from home. He's got one from his fiance saying that she's leaving him and he's got another letter from mom and dad saying they're getting divorced. Sick. And then they call the troops in and they're like, hey, I can't tell you what it is, but we got a super dangerous mission that's volunteer only. Who wants it? And he's like, don't have anything else to live for, I guess. So he volunteers. They're like, all right, get on the boat. They take him on a boat. They take him to Australia. They take him here. They take him there. He winds up in India. And he's like, what the fuck is going on? He hops on trains. He sees the Taj Mahal. And they get out to India and they start training. And while this is actually a group that would come to be known as Merrill's Marauders, which is the predecessor for the 75th Ranger Regiment. Merrill's Marauders was basically, I believe, 3000 guys that were experienced in jungle warfare. And their mission was to from India, march into China because China's having the war during World War II at the same time, right? So you've got the people that are friendly with the US and the people that are trying to take over and basically go in there and fight the Japanese because the Japanese are fighting through China trying to connect Germany and Japan together. Go in there and conduct guerrilla warfare operations and stop them from taking over China and linking up with the Germans, prevent that from happening. And raises a question, it's all jungle terrain. They have to walk. It's like 800 miles. They have to walk just to get to the area of operation. They have to bring in mules and pack everything in. It's miserable. And the only way they get supplies for like the nine months there there is by calling an airdrops literally living in the jungle for nine months straight conducting guerrilla warfare operations. The only food, water ammunition you get is when you call in an airdrop and every time you call in an airdrop, guess who sees that? Fucking everybody. So advertising opposition each time you need to eat exactly. So Merrill's Marauders has, I forget the exact statistic, but it's like an outrageous outrageously high casualty rate. They started out with 3,000 dudes. I think there was only 300 that 300 original members that finished all the way through. He made it to like the very, very end and he ends up getting med of act back home because he gets wounded. But he participates in almost every major battle that Merrill's Marauders was in. So he gets sent back home to America. That's pretty much the end of World War II for him. He decides he's going to stay in the military. He goes, finds a wife, gets married, and he goes back to college, finishes, becomes a minister, and he's still serving, I believe in the reserves and then the Korean war kicks off. And he's like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to go back into the military. And this time he's like, I have my college degree now. I can go in as a chaplain in the military. So he goes and they're like, you're too old. He missed a cut off by like, it's like, I think it's like 32's the oldest you could be and he's 33 at this point. You're like, can't be a chaplain. All you can be is infantry. So he's like, fuck it. I guess I'll be infantry again. Fine. Sorry, the Korean War does not kick off yet. It's like things are looking like it might. So he volunteers to go back in. He gets sent to, they give him the option. He can go to Germany or he can go to Japan for occupation duty. He volunteers to go to Japan because that's who he fought. He wants to, you know, just that's the culture he's most familiar with. He goes to Japan. He stationed in Japan while he's in Japan as an infantryman on occupation duty, the Korean war kicks off and they're like, Hey, pack your shit. We got to go to Korea real quick in and out. No big deal. They literally tell him it's going to be like a one week thing. Don't even bring all your stuff. He shows up to South Korea when, I don't know how much you know about the Korean War. Basically the North Koreans push the South Koreans all the way down to the very, very bottom of the peninsula and they're holding off this little tiny perimeter at the very bottom called the Busan perimeter. That's when Logan Weston shows up at the Busan perimeter. Like they're about to wipe South Korea off the map and he shows up and he gets put on duty watching the Busan perimeter. And they're like, this is a friendly area, it's no big deal. You shouldn't see anybody coming and they're hanging out there. They're basically camping for a couple of days. Him, he's got like a platoon that he just met, just got put in charge of. And he's like watching the, you know, watching the horizon looking for guys and here comes 90 dudes walking up and he radios it in, radio's dead. It's like a friendly area, nobody's into it. So like it's nighttime, everybody already went to bed. Nobody's responding to the radio. So he sends a runner, go back to HQ, tell him I got like 90 guys walking up on us. Runner takes off, comes back. They said they must be friendlies or probably South Koreans. He's like, they're not South Koreans. I can tell by their uniform and they're carrying World War II era Japanese rifles. I know because I fought those guys and that's what the North Koreans carry. Go tell them I've got a bunch of enemies coming, sends a runner running, comes back. They said it's friendly. Overreacting, blah, blah, blah, blah. This happens like two more times and then they just start taking fire. So then he ends up leading his guys and stopping this major attack at the Puson parameter. I think I want to say he's credited, not him specifically, but the men under his command were credited with killing like two to 300 guys and there's like 30 of them holding this hill by themselves. Logan gets shot. He gets all jacked up. Yeah. I mean, it's an event and he basically you can make an argument that like if he would have not been able to hold when he held, they would have overran the HQ and like penetrated the Puson parameter and South Korea might not exist. So like he literally changed history with this action and this is where he was nominated for the Medal of Honor. But the commanding officer in charge that was telling him, oh no, it's probably friendly South Koreans. Don't worry about it. He intentionally made sure it got knocked down to a distinguished service cross because a Medal of Honor investigation is much bigger and it would have made him look like a dumbass. So he basically got shafted for the Medal of Honor. So Logan West and gets all jacked up. He's in the hospital for like weeks and weeks and weeks. I forget the exact day count, but it's like if you're hospitalized for I want to say 90 days, you just get sent back home to America. So in the hospital day 89, they're like, you're good. Go back to the front lines. And by this point, America's shown up at Enchon. The Marines made their amphibious landing there. They've driven the North Koreans all the way back up into North Korea and they're like at the Yalu River, which is basically the border with China. So we're all the way out there. in North Korea at this point. So he's at the Yollah River when the Chinese enter the war and launch their massive attack that drives allied forces back down the peninsula. He's there and he fights all the way back down with them. And at one point, they run into enemy tanks and he calls, like, I need an anti-tank crew out here. Anti-tank crew comes rolling up a bazooka's. He's a good leader. He's leading from the front. He's like, three bazooka guys follow me and he comes running out and they sneak up on these tanks and the tanks see him first and they fire on their position. Kills the entire anti-tank crew, three guys, Logan Weston's the only one that survives and there's three tanks in a line. He fires at the first tank with the bazooka or fires at the middle tank with the bazooka knocks it out and then the two other tanks realizing that this guy is somewhere out there for whatever reason. They open the hatch. So he does the only thing he can do to like try to hide from these tanks. He's already on top of this first tank over here. Like, can't shoot me if I'm on top of you. Well, they open the hatch, throws a grenade and that one takes that tank out and then the other tank, his tank he's on, burning tank, other tank when they go to get out of the hatchy fires. So he takes out three tanks by himself and you can still pull up the newspaper articles. It's like fighting preacher dispatches, three communist tanks, blah, blah, blah, blah. I pull them all up in my YouTube videos. So he does that. I believe he gets a distinguished service cross with a silver star for that action. And then when they're basically doing a tactical retreat back down South, they get pushed down past Seoul and then they fight their way back up to the 30-second parallel where the border is today. But when they're back down by Seoul, he's been promoted to like a battalion leadership. So he's overseeing entire companies of guys. And one of the officers under his command is Captain Lewis Millett of easy company. And easy company is famous for during this period of time leading the last bayonet charge in US military history. So Lewis Millett and you can pull a picture of him up. He's got a big mustache with bayonets. He looks like he's a total character. I've done a video on him too. He's a badass. So he had heard that the communists who were famously running low on ammunition because they can't manufacture anything were kind of si-opping their guys into being like, well, you know, the Americans are just scared to bayonet fight you boys. It's like, no, you're just not giving us bullets, but whatever. I've got a man with a mustache that says otherwise. He found out that that's what they were saying. So he leads the last bayonet charge in US military history takes a hill. And that was under the command of Logan Weston at the time who was there when it happened also. So it's like, look at that guy. I do holding two bayonets. I do not want to be stabbed in the neck by a man with a mustache like that. Look at that warm broom dude. And what is that a medal of honor around his neck as well? Yeah, that's a medal of honor. He got the medal of honor for that action for the bayonet charge for leading the last bayonet charge in US military history. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Last company sized bayonet charge. Okay. Yeah. Probably some bloke. How to crack. Yeah. There's probably a couple of guys like three dudes ran in with bayonets. But like this was the last time that a company commander with 30 to 50 dudes was like, fix bayonets were going in. And they did it sick. So yeah. So yeah, Logan Weston is actually, I think he's book number nine in the my new book series I got coming out. So should be pretty good. Unreal. Okay. So then he gets through the Korean incursion. Yeah. So he gets through the Korean war. And by this time he is, you know, he's he's been there done. He's done all of it. He's in his mid 40s by the end of the Korean war. And after the Korean war, they come to him and they're like, hey, we got this new thing. We're trying to start up. It's called the green berets special forces. You're 46. You want to try out and become a green beret. He's like sure. So he goes and becomes a green beret at the age of 46 years old, gets jump qualified. He's jumping out of planes at 46. Becomes a green beret. From here, he gets sent to the Pentagon, where he helps write literally write the book on jungle warfare and counterinsurgency tactics from his experience with Meryl's marauders. He then goes on to be an advisor on behalf of the US government in Laos during the Vietnam war. If you don't know Laos in Cambodia during the Vietnam war is where McVease Og was operating. Basically, Vietnam is a long country up and down in the of Laos in Cambodia right here. So what was happening was Vietnam is split. So what was happening is like bad guys up top communists, rather than trying to fight through the American lines to deliver supplies to their guerrilla fighters, they would just cut over into Laos in Cambodia, run down, run over, drop the supplies off, run back. So we were sending in McVease Og special operators to go in and basically conduct a shadow war that didn't happen for another 40 years the entire time. And he was a advisor in Laos while that was going on. So this guy is just incredibly, I can't look out if I think that he's the luckiest or the unluckiest man. He's really the ball bell of luck. He's the main character for sure. He's got, he's got, yeah, it on on both sides. Holy shit. His last day in Korea, day before his last day in Korea gets hit with a, gets hit by an enemy sniper right in the chest. Bullet gets stopped by the Bible in his breast pocket. No fucking way. Goes does the Vietnam thing comes back home. Retires becomes the, I forget the official job title, but basically the chaplain for Texas A&M for 10 years. A quick aside, if you wanted an eight sleep, but can never quite justify the price, things just got very interesting. They've somehow managed to make it significantly better and cheaper at the same time. 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These, so I've had this sort of idea of ever since watching a lot of your stuff and getting more interested in these kinds of stories. Carton DeWart was the first one that got me into it. Alistair Earcart, the forgotten Highlander. Yeah, so that was one of the first stories that got me into this. And then I guess a similar one like John Boyd, fighter pilot guy. I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of interested in this. But there is this sense in the back of our mind that, well, was not stopped. Was kept on going. Why is it that all of the heroic stories that I'm hearing about seem to date to the second expiration date on the new models of these coming out? Why is it that we've not got new war heroes in the same way? And you've got your my theory, your theory behind that. Yeah, I don't, it's no way more about it than me. But there is this sense, I think that like first off was now when I think about war, I'm not thinking about guys with tactics. I'm thinking about drones and missiles heading schools and shit. I don't even know if we have room for war heroes in the same way anymore. We do. Okay. Every, again, me being a conspiracy theorist. I think they portray it that way on purpose. I really think that very powerful organizations, governments, entities, people, whatever they don't want you to realize how powerful one man or a small group of men that are determined to accomplish something, how powerful that is and what they can actually accomplish, right? And the analogy that I'll give you is you always hear one of the big criticisms of like the second amendment is like, I understand the second amendment was created to stop a tyrannical government. But the tyrannical government has Abrams tanks. What are you going to do with your AR-15? It's like, all that tells me is you have no concept of how war actually works, right? Like, yeah, the government does have a lot of very big, very powerful, very fancy toys. They're very, very fragile, especially in America, for example, like the amount of logistics that has to go in to keeping an Abrams tank on the battlefield is insane. The amount of mechanics, equipment, specialized stuff, all of that. And it's like, America has somewhere in the vicinity of 8,000 Abrams tanks. Let's go to magical fairy tale land. Okay, let's say they run on fucking magic. They don't run on diesel. They're autonomous. They're ran by robots. They're solar powered. They self-charge. They don't need any logistical capability whatsoever. 8,000 of them to cover all of the United States. If there was some war scenario where the people tried to rise up against the government, that's one Abrams tanks for like every 1200 square miles ish. What's one tank going to do in covering 1200 square miles? It's so it's just kind of the concept of like war is always going to come down to one guy with a gun. And you're going to have all the big fancy toys. You're going to have drones. You're going to and all of that is going to be on the very front end of the war. And then the supply chains are going to get broken. And shit's going to quit working. Somebody at the factory the factory that makes the drones is going to get blown up, somebody's going to figure out how to interrupt the Bluetooth signal. That's why all the drones over in Ukraine now are guided by wire. Somebody, it's always going to come down to dudes on the ground getting shit done. Do you think does society suffer if there's no outlet for heroism? I don't know that it needs an outlet for heroism, but I think society suffers when you quit glorifying heroism. I think that needs to continue. I think that's a big reason why I think that's one of the big downsides of not promoting war heroes anymore. For example, you don't give people some one to strive for, some one to end up. You're not giving people good role models. You're not saying, hey, this is the guy you should be looking up to. This guy knew that he was going to die, ran into the Bernie building anyways to save these people. You quit glorifying that guy. People quit doing those things. You quit. And on top of that, some of these stories like Logan Weston, it seems impossible, but it's possible. If you know that that's possible, maybe you'll be inclined to do it too, and then you can accomplish something great. But people don't want to share the stories. How many of the stories that you cover end with Alistair Erkart living in his family's country estate until 80 or an outrageous amount? Like lots and lots of the heroes actually make it home and just become a chapel in UT or whatever the fuck a significant portion. And like that's the coolest part to me is you take somebody like Logan Weston that was able to do what he did and like that dude objectively killed a lot of people across three wars across three wars a 38-year-long career. And he went back home, became a preacher outstanding member in his community. He probably would have had no idea that he was anywhere near that badass ever and he just went back to be a normal. Like that's the most incredible part to me is you know what's the what's the quote the best deterrent for bad guys is good men skilled in violence like that's those guys and they're just wandering around and like you've talked about you've talked about having DJ Ship Leon and like all these other special operators like I've never met Ham or Andy Stump but I met plenty of people like them and they're usually the most like chill I mean they don't look like they're a pansy ass or anything but you're not sitting there being like yeah that's that level of badass they're unassuming they're just normal dudes for the most part. Yeah there is a Andy Andy in particular is an unnerving human because I feel like if he was killing me he would kill me with a smile on his face and enjoy a coffee afterward. That is a I don't know do you think that these are these people built different what is it that sort of distinguishes the kinds of people that you cover from what normal people assume it would a normal person if put into that situation just behave the same would have you come to think about the difference between heroes and people that don't aren't I don't know it's interesting obviously like PTSD is a relatively new discovery or like understanding but I yeah but like the thing that catches me up that I find really interesting about that is I think it changes a lot based on you know just media has changed everything so what I'm trying to say is for example when you look at the archetype of like Vietnam Korea World War II specifically World War II all those guys came back home and the story is the same I hear it from I get emails and everything my grandpa is in World War II we never talked about it he never talked about he never talked about he never told me anything the amount of times I get an email where it's like this I found this in my grandpa's attic after he passed away and it's like a shadow box with all those medals I have no idea what I'm looking at can you tell me what I'm looking at and like grandpa's got like five bronze stars with V device and it's like oh grandpa's a fucking bad S V device V device so you have a bronze star and then if you have a bronze star with V device V device means you did something with valor so like you can have a bronze star for like being really good at organizing shit and doing paperwork for the company but if you got a bronze star with V device you did some badass shit on the battlefield right so it's like grandpa's got five of those and you know expert infantry and like all this other stuff like grandpa's a badass I don't know what he did but he did some shit and I think the part with technology where it's like these guys never talked about it because they couldn't talk about it so think about the average world war two veteran grew up in the 1920s 1930s no TV everybody thinks like 1920s and they picture New York in their head like model T's run around the stock market mobsters Tommy guns all this cool shit that was New York that was one small sliver the rest of the country was 30 years in the past living in log cabin still people didn't have power they didn't have indoor plumbing for the most part they were poor and that's all the dudes that fought World War Two so imagine you're some kid from Nebraska that grew up in a log cabin with no power no running water in your house and there's one rich guy in town that's got a model T you've never seen an airplane and you get drafted and you get sent and you wind up at fucking D day flying in a fucking plane bigger than the house you grew up in jumping into combat with a magical gun that can shoot a hundred rounds of a minute or whatever and all this technological advancement radios and radars and all this shit and then you have to go back home five years later and your dad asked you what was it like how do you explain to a guy who doesn't have TV who can't fathom it's sci-fi to them I'd kept quiet too imagine trying to explain that to some dude who's seen a model T one time being like there's a tank imagine a model T but a thousand times heavier with like got like it's a space war yeah it's like some Star Wars shit it's it's like trying to explain a color to a blind person like what does it look like I should dude I don't know how to explain this you just had to be there so you know no wonder they never talked about it and that's why they hit out at the VFW with the people that could understand so do you think that that is a form of PTSD what do you what do you think's going on there I don't think that that in it's in that of itself is a form of PTSD but I think that that's like the reason they didn't want to talk about it with people and then obviously not talking about it just leads to you bottling it up feeling isolated which obviously makes any mental illness from my understanding infinitely worse yeah I think a lot of the guys like Zamperini he had a turn of odd ways of reoclimatizing when he came back alcohol problems stuff like that Alistair card for the rest of his life was unable to eat much more than a cup of white rice every so often his entire digestion was ruined he had like cars with backfire and he'd jump and have these sort of strange responses but I don't know well that's the other thing like with and what I mean with like technology affecting us so differently is World War II these guys got done with the war and it was like okay wars over pack everything up once that take a couple months all right you're still with your boys that have been through the shit with you for a couple months and you get to like decompressive like okay I'm with these guys that I was in the shit with but we're we're all gonna make it home nobody's gonna die we're not gonna get blown up we're not gonna get shot and then we load it all up on the boats and then it takes another couple weeks to get across the ocean on the boat still with my boys then we got to get back to camp we got to unload everything then we got to go through all this paperwork bullshit I'm spending three to six months with my homie is still acclimating to the fact that me and you aren't gonna die together and I get that activation and yeah decompressing and then I got released back into the public whereas now if you find the global war on terror it's like hey you're going to Afghanistan pack your shit you're on a plane you're in Afghanistan 48 hours later and then to make things even more complicated back in World War II what were you getting from back home you were getting letters and care packages now you're getting fucking I don't know how much harder would it be to fight a war and go out on patrol knowing I could get blown up tomorrow and I'm having a video facetime call with my wife and kids the night before oh that's you're saying that the high definition of the high resolution contrast between my civilian life my love my connection and where I am you know it's less immersive and faster I think contrast is greater both like across time and during the experience exactly and like how much harder is it to do anything if you're trying to multitask at the same time like I don't know it's emotional multitasking could you could you imagine trying to get a good hard workout in while also facetiming your child and wife in between sets I mean that'd be pretty hard now we imagine fighting a fucking war doing it like and I mean also not to discount it but like just the ability for your wife to call you and ask you stupid questions about like do you know where you left the this thing after like sweetheart I'm trying to fight a war right now I'm busy you know what I mean it's just technology has changed how wars fought so much it's insane you don't ever think about this I've been thinking about this to do with bands that you hear about this drummer has left a particular band or the one member of maybe even a founding member of a group has gone oh my god but they were such a savant you know they clinically there were unbelievable what they needed to do on stage but what you don't see is what happens behind the scenes you don't see what it's like to try and live on a boat with this person for four or six months of the year and I'm friends with enough people in bands who've been through this to go, "Yeah man, unbelievable skill and a fucking nightmare to live with." Like, just a straight-up nightmare and we just, a vibe kill, bad or he was unworkable and you can put up with it for long enough but then you get to this stage and it's kind of the same with this that you think about, well, what's this person's precision with shooting like? What's their ability to follow orders like? What's their planning? What's their contingency? How brave are they? Can they listen to. Yeah, okay, but also how capable are they when the site, when they put the gun down, when they're out of their ready position and they're back for 12 hours and they've got the opportunity to pick up some text messages or to find out some stuff that's going on at home or to do the basically like Batman Bruce Wayne swing from I'm kind of normal for a bit so I'm not fully immersed in where I am and then I need to be able to turn that off. I mean, maybe there's a case. I have to assume that like the seals, when they're on super duper secret deployment, it's like, "Hey, don't, you know, give me your phone, you're not face-signing home or whatever." But that might be a good strategy for more guys to make them more immersed. Well, you know, I mean, you look at like special forces and stuff like Navy seals. There's also the additional level of understanding both with them and I would assume at their family level with their spouses or whatever is like, "Hey, this is what dad does, whereas like World War II and stuff like that." These guys were drafted. These are 18-year-old kids. This isn't some 30-year-old man that's like been actively working towards this whole life that wants to be doing this necessarily. And I think that also plays a big factor too of like, yeah, could the Navy seal handle it? Probably a lot better than Joe Schmo that's your average infantry guy that got drafted in the being here or just showed up. 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Everybody that accomplishes anything is going up against whatever's in their way, whether that be the government, the market, whatever, whatever, whatever, they have to have this self-confidence. Like, they're telling me this is wrong. I know it's right. Fuck you. I'm going to do it anyways. I mean, what's one of my favorite quotes was Henry Ford, and he said, if I to gave the people what they wanted, I would have been breeding faster horses. Like, fuck you. I'm making a car. You don't know it yet, but this is what we need. And you see that over and over and over again with these war heroes. Like, no, this isn't the way we need to be doing this. This is what needs to happen. And I think that's what it is. High conviction. Who comes to mind when you think about a sort of rebellious singular? Pappy gun. Who's that? Pappy gun. Paul Irvin gun. He was a fighter pilot between World War I and World War II. He was part of the top hatters. Some of the guys that pioneered like carrier landings and stuff with planes. And by the time World War II rolled around, he had already been long-sense retired. But the dude was a flight fanatic, incredible pilot. When he was still in the Navy, being basically a stunt pilot and fighter pilot pioneering modern fighter piloting, he kept having cavities and he kept going to the dentist to get root canals and shit. And he finally got fed up because it was taken up too much of his time. So he goes to the dentist and just like, just fuck a pull on my teeth out. And then all of them give me dentures. I'm sick of this shit. And he goes to the goes to the Navy dentist. They're like, no, we're not doing that. So he goes to the civilian dentist and pays them and gets it done gets dentures. After he retires, he's in his 40s. He moves to the Philippines because he was stationed there fell in love with it knows that his money goes a lot further there. He moves out to the Philippines and he starts he buys a plane and just starts being a pilot in the Philippines and like that's life. He's got a wife two kids and he's living out the Philippines having a great time and World War II is going on Pearl Harbor gets attacked. He's been in the Navy for 20 years. He's like the only reason they would attack Pearl Harbor first is because they want to attack everywhere else with impunity. So he knows that they're coming to the Philippines. So he's trying to get his wife and kids off the island. He can't the American forces in the Philippines are trying are scramble around. They're basically commandeering all the planes military or not. Like US governments confiscating this. You're working for us now. We need you to fly these high-ranking generals here. We need you to fly these people there do this do that and he winds up basically getting assured that you know the Japanese aren't coming. Malta's defended where his family is and he gets ordered to take his personal plane and fly. I think it's MacArthur's like right-hand man to Australia. While he's on this flight to Australia, MacArthur declares Malta an open city which basically just means to the Japanese. Hey, Malta is a historic city. There's a lot of civilians. We're not going to fight you for it. Don't carpet bomb this fucking place. You can just have it. So they basically turned it over to the Japanese. His wife and kids get captured. He flies off the fucking handle and basically gets recommissioned in the military because he was an officer beforehand. He gets recommissioned and just starts commandeering planes trying to fly back to the Philippines rescue his family. Has multiple rescue attempts. Fails on all of them. Keeps getting it back to Australia. And then eventually he links up with some fighter squad unit that's like trying to actually win the war. And he's at the airstrip one day and there's like I think it's nine or 12 B-B-25 Mitchell's. Is that what it is? Oh, no, sorry. B-25 Mitchell's. Yeah, so oh, look at that. So they belong to the Dutch. And he's like, why the fuck does the Dutch have brand new bombers when America is struggling to get our own planes here? Why do they have American planes? It's just pure credit government bullshit. He asks the Dutch like, what are you guys doing with them? Oh, we don't really know what we're doing with them yet. So he's like, fuck this. He goes back to his unit grabs a bunch of pilots. They roll up forged documents and fucking steal them. Steele's a fleet of medium bombers and flies them back to his from the Dutch and flies them back to our airfield. They get back to the airfield and they're like bad news. There's no bomb sites. The Dutch must have taken the bomb sites out and put them in the supply sergeants armory. And Pappy's like, got it. Pappy flies back and then robs the supply sergeant with a gun and takes the bomb sites and leaves. Yeah. So he gets all these bomb sites. He continues flying missions. And then eventually he comes to the realization that at the time when they were trying to launch this air battle against the Japanese Navy, medium bomber, you're flying, you know, tens of thousands of feet up in the air. And they're basically just flying really high, dropping bombs from really high, hoping they hit this small moving target. He's like, that shit's not effective. We, we got to fly right over the top of them and just drop it right on their fucking forehead. That's the only way we're going to sink these fuckers. He's like, but we need cover. So he gets a bunch of light bombers. I believe they're eight, eight 20 habits. He gets a bunch of eight 20 habits. And he's like, he's also like a genius mechanic and engineer. So he rips up these eight 20 habits and he mounts six 50 caliber machine guns in the nose, which it's not like you can just, I'm just going to throw some guns in the nose of a plane. There's aerodynamics, there's weight distributions. There's all kinds of shit going on with us vibration, vibration from the guns, everything. The amount of weight you actually lose just from the ammunition getting expended is a huge factor. The plane is losing the balance is all over the place. The plane is losing hundreds of pounds of weight just by you opening up with the guns like it's a nightmare. Figures it out. Gets a fleet of these things. Gets a fleet of the bombers and develops a new tactic where basically, all right, we're going to send the eight 20s in. They're going to strafe the deck of the gun to drive everybody off the anti aircraft guns. And that's going to clear it so the missiles can fly low and drop the bombs right on top of them. Okay, he does that. Well, then he comes with a realization, why don't I just fucking put guns in the missiles too? Then they can strafe for themselves while they fly in. Fuck yeah, just some dude, I'm a guy wearing this shit. And bear in mind, this is like, if I could pick one, like, there's a lot of of the movies that I want made. But this is just like the ultimate Hollywood movie because this is a dad that's just magyvering new planes and going out on experimental missions. - Sell a tape and cable ties. - To save his wife and kids because they're in an internment camp for the Japanese. Like, name of that room. - Does he know that they're alive? - He finds out that they're alive. There's a period of time that he doesn't, but he does find out that they are alive and he is the most motivated man on the planet to get back. He's working like 70 hours a week, like insane. They said he was just sleeping in planes on the flight line working on these things and he's still going out on all the missions with him and everything else. So he ends up putting 850 caliber machine guns in the nose of the B25s. - That must have been what that was for the front and then two and two. - No, no, I think that, yeah. So that was a different one. I'm gonna get there. That one's different. Save that picture. So he mounts 850 calibers in the Mitchell's nose cone. And, you know, they go out on missions. They work exactly how he wanted. And this, you know, he goes out on all these missions, but it ultimately, oh, I forgot about his pinky. During this period of time, where he's going out on these missions, developing these planes, building these planes for the US Navy, he breaks his pinky and he keeps re-breaking it. And it's just getting in his fucking way. He's turning wrenches all day. - I can see where this is going. The man that got his teeth ripped out. - He goes to the medic and it's like, cut my pinky off. And the medic is like, I'm not cutting your pinky off. And he's like, let's go to the doctor and see if the surgeon will cut it off. The medic is homeboys with him, like their buddies. He gets it. And he's like, this pinky's coming off one way or the other. So the medic and papi go to the surgeon. And the surgeon's like, I'm not taking your pinky off. I can't ethically remove a good finger. Just splint it and heal. At which point, papi pulls out his 1911 and says, you're going to cut it off or you're going to clean it off your wall. What do you want to do? He cut the pinky off. So he gets his pinky removed so he can keep working. And then this whole thing boils to a head at a place called the Battle of the Bismarck Sea. So basically, more on the Pacific, everybody's fighting over New Guinea at this point in time. The Japanese are about to reinforce New Guinea to fight the Americans with an entire division of Japanese infantry. They're coming in on, I believe, eight troop carriers. And those are being escorted by destroyers and everything else. We got to stop them. So he takes his fleet out. He's got A20s. He's got B25s. They take him out. And what ends up happening at this battle is the Japanese Navy sees the A20s coming in really low. Well, the A20s coming in low, they don't know that these things exist. They were just mad maxed by this fucking crazy guy trying to get his kids back. They don't know about this technology. So what they assume it is is they assume it's torpedo bombers. Right? So the boats coming this way, the planes are coming this way. This is a broad side of the boat. The planes are coming this way. Naval doctrine for a torpedo bomber is to turn into the bombers because a torpedo would land in the water and you want the big broad side of the ship. You want the bigger target. So they turn into the formation because that would minimize the surface area to get hit by torpedoes not realizing that their goal is to actually strafe the decks. So they go in and well, that lined it up perfect to be able to clear the whole thing. They strafe all the decks of these ships that are covered in enemy infantry. They strafe the decks. The B25s come in. They skip bombs right into the side of them. They sink all eight troop carriers at once. How many people's that? A division between the battle of the Bismarck sea. 8 to 12,000. Oh, fuck, this is it. You've got trouble enough, temporarily anyway. It's fine to keen skin. Fun fact about this footage is taken from Papi's planes. Sorry, who just at one point in that while you're going? Who the fuck is the guy with the video camera? Generally, in these-- You know when you see a combat camera? Combat camera, man. And you're just like, hey, we're going to go do this thing. We might get shot down, but it would be real cool if people can watch this. Combat camera. 100 years time. Combat camera, dudes or badasses. You're going to go into combat with a camera and document this four-man kind. And this is why I said it pissed me off earlier when these companies go in and try to copyright this footage, like some dude with balls so big that he had to lug him around in a wheelbarrow got this footage for us. We paid for it. And now you're going to tell me that we can't use it? Fuck off. So the battle of the Bismarck sea happens. They sink all eight troop carriers, basically wins New Guinea, changes, helps change the course of the Pacific War. Big deal. The guy that he's taking orders from at this point is General Kenny, the guy running the air war for the entire Pacific theater. And he's like, dude, that was outrageously effective. We need to start mass producing these B25s that you've figured out how to make. They send all the drawings that Pappy made back to whoever the fuck made the Mitchell. You know, the engineers back in America, and they're like, it won't work. And they're like, yes, it will. I've seen it fucking work. It like it has worked. And they're like, can't be done. So they end up sending Pappy back to America to show the engineers how he did it. He does it. And it becomes like an official model of the plane is the B25 strafer that was mass produced. That this guy just magyvered on a whim to accomplish the mission. So Pappy gets back and he finds out that while the engineers with their funding and their degrees, they outdid him. Pappy figured out how to get 850 cows in this B25. Engineers figured out how to get 12. They won up them. What's Pappy gun got to do? He's got to one up and back. So go back to that original picture I told you to save. So what Pappy gun does is he figures out how to mount 450 cows in the nose of the B25. And you see that hole? That's a 75 millimeter cannon from a Sherman tank. What's that mean? He's like, it's a fucking tank gun. It's the fucking gun from a tank. He took the head of a tank and stuck it in the front of his fucking nose on his plane. And that also went on to become an official variant. (laughing) I mean flying something that's in the air when that much force goes that way. It must slow the plane down. Yeah, but briefly the plane will go, hmm. I would assume I wouldn't look forward to it. Okay, go on. So yeah, and then he winds up. They send him out on some crazy ass mission on the beach. He gets wounded, he gets hospitalized. And while he's in the hospital recovering, Malta gets liberated and his wife and son and daughter all get recovered. And it's, by this point, Pappy gun is like a legend within the military, like a living legends within the military. Everybody knows about this dad that's in his 40s that's working like a madman to save his wife and kids. And you know, I like to imagine when they were getting sorted through, they're like, hold on, sorry, what your last name's gun? Holy shit. So they get like b-line to the hospital and he basically gets reunited with his wife and kids who all survive from while he's recovering in the hospital. And it's like name a better Hollywood movie ending than like knowing your dad went to war for three years straight and helped change the entire path of the war. Designed new planes. Just engineered some new war machines. Took him into combat himself on multiple missions like just to save you like the number of people, the number of heroes in World War II that were gangster as fuck. Oh, it's insane. I don't know whether there is another peer. Again, maybe it's the right distance from time, fractional reserve, that, that, that, that. But it really does feel like there was something in the water. It's volume. It's volume. There's just so many people that are in the world that have surface area. World War America specifically, not that, you know, great Britain and other nations didn't have their bad asses. Also, they certainly did like patty main, incredible. But it's just the American military when World War II kicked off, had like 300,000 people and those ranks swelled to 16 million. So it's like you've got 300,000 people that are a culture and you're trying to multiply that culture out to 16 million people. It's just the rules and regulations and guidelines and I don't know, the respect for that culture doesn't really permeate that much. - Why does that make fertile ground? - Because you got, oh, we can't, we can't not follow orders. We're supposed to, the commander's down. We're supposed to bed down and be defensive and wait for, wait for orders to come down. Not fuck that, shoot that guy. Like, they're just going to get default aggressive. What else do you do? - Yeah, some farm boy from fucking Iowa or whatever. - Yeah, 100%. - Yeah. - They're fucking going in, man. - Yeah, no, it's interesting that the British versus American sort of insight for this 'cause at least my experience, British people are very orderly. We have, I mean, there was even a video recently, did you see our foreign secretary said, British people love a cue. - You see, have you got the, I'd like a fruity vegan flapjack please video? - Like a line. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, we love queuing. And just such fruity vegan flapjack video. So this is the guy currently, I mean, this is why the rest of the world, including this nation is terrified, right? Of Britain, where a hard nation were filled with hard people, specifically the man that is basically in charge of ensuring that globally to other countries we are feared. And he's talking about how the way that like, tax is put together and it's fair when you stand in a queue for a bakery and then at the very very, It's a semi scripted video, it's almost like. a, uh, an advert. And then at the very end, he says, I'd like a fruity vegan flapjack, please. And it is, here it is, fruity vegan flapjack, please. That just, that, so just go back to the beginning, go back to the beginning of the man that's supposed to be, I'd like a fruity vegan flapjack, please. Are you not terrified? Are you not terrified of the man that wants a fruity vegan flapjack, please? That, that meme around the UK was like, one of the fucking biggest things. Oh, I've got, I've got questions for you about the UK. Go ahead. What's going on with the air conditioning situation? More people died from 175, 174,000 Europeans died last year from heat-related illnesses. More people than died from gun deaths in America. Buy a lot. Yeah, buy, like, factory three. Significantly more. 50,000 per year, I think in America, including suicides. No. How many people died from gun-related deaths in America last year? Mr. Chad. If you don't include suicides, I believe it's like a couple thousand. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think with including suicides, there's a lot of, I look, lots, lots, lots, lots. Okay. So I mean, look, what, what do I say about this? In defense of a country I no longer living, it's not that hot most of the time. It's quite cold. Hear me out. Go ahead. I've had a spare tire in every car I've ever owned. I've never had to use it. I still fucking got it. It's true. The difference between trying to add a spare tire to a car that has a room for a spare tire or retrofit a Victorian era building. They got, they got floor units. As you should put it in the wall. But again, that would be unused for, I'm from Newcastle, which is as north as north goes. That would be unused for 11 months and two weeks of the year. It would be one for the, for the fortnight that I require it. The 14 days that I need it would be great. But how many people died? Mark. 44,000. I said 50,000. That's not far off. That's not far off. Anyway, lot, but three times as many, more than three times as many, four times as many people died from heat related illness. I think more people died in Paris this summer than in all of American recorded history from mass shootings. Just Paris, just this summer versus every mass shooting in American history since records began in like the 50s or 60s. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not good. It's not great. I once stayed in a hotel in London about three years ago. And bigger buildings, newer buildings, they'll maybe been retrofitted or they'll have had them built with AC and AC wasn't working. The only way that I could get to sleep two in the morning, three in the morning, I've got this thing, this event to do the next day, I'm fucking hating my, one of those ones, you're like, this is going to suck and I've got all this fresh tomorrow and it's going to be horrible. And I put a wet, I put a bath towel in the bath, ran cold water on the towel and then slept under a wet towel. How did he blow a heat of you in an attempt? I did the thing. Yes, it was the most soggy, horrible solution to, I did, I did a video on this on British people refusing to use air conditioning and it went like viral. All the British reactors watched it. Okay. And they had some crazy environmentalists on there giving you alternatives instead of AC because you know, AC is bad for the environment. Okay, go on. Her first tip was to sleep under a wet sheet. I wasn't doing it through choice. I was doing it through necessity. Okay. They get worse though. Okay, go on. Her next recommendation was to just soak your feet in a bucket of water while you're working at home the whole time. Does that help? I guess I don't know. It's got wet feet going on. But then it, it kind of climaxes with her final solution of smearing yogurt on all the windows of your house. What will that do? I blocked the sun out. You can pull it up on my video. I clipped her out of it. But she's like, yeah, smearing yogurt on the windows of your house will actually help lower the temperature in your, in your house. It's just like just get me all of insane people and not in a cool way. You know, they're not, they're not building a new B 52. I would say stubborn. There's definitely a stubbornness. But this is, look, in defense, you, we were talking about this this morning, America is a country which is essentially a teenager. It's like just about starting to find its feet a little bit, thought in you who it was and it's childhood years, thought it was going to grow up to become a postman or like an astronaut or whatever. And now it's like, ah, I'm not really too sure sort of what's going on. Like who I, where I thought it was and where I'm going. Like I'm going to be rebellious. What if we just like turn the table over? What if we like do something crazy, man? And it's like, okay, lots of great innovation comes. America is 4% of the world's population, but had 50% of its new millionaires last year. The UK, 0.8% of the world's population and had, ah, it was second highest 10% of the world's millionaire exits came from it in 2024. So, look, yeah, that's on the leaderboard so far, not great, but, but the pump and the circumstance, it is stabilizing in a way where stuff don't change that much, right? And that's not always great because it means that you don't get a conditioning when it's sometimes very, very hot, but it's also great because it means that, like, hopefully insane stuff doesn't happen at quite the same velocity. That's fair. It does also mean, like when I graduated university, there's some odd customs that happen. Like there's a series and I was reading it in the pamphlet thing to explain what was going on. And there's a mace bearer that walks out with a literal medieval weapon. Hell yeah. And the guys at the front of it. And it's like, it's a, how do you say like a ceremonial mace? It's not like, yeah, it's got spikes on it or whatever. Um, but he walks out and then they all dot their caps in different orders. Like, it's the hierarchy of the thing and he dots his cap to this person and you're looking at the color. The fact that this has got a blue stripe on it. That means that he's, you know, the kingsman of the guard or whatever the fucking all of that stuff. Oh, this is nice. This is some, this is a little battle of the battle of Hastings game of thronesy type thing that's going on. Whereas I do it here and everyone's fucking twerking at the high school graduations. That's fair. I don't think I want more dust. I want more dust on everything. And there's not enough dust in America. I think if you were a dusty nation, I think things would be improved. And I think if we were a more agile nation, things would be improved. That's why I like, I like that. I can respect that. I always describe America as like the shark tank of cultures. Because that's the least biggest criticism of America. It's like you, you guys don't have any cultures. No, no, no, we do. We are quite literally the shark tank of the world's cultures. Like you come here for opportunity. What do you got? Yeah. Mexicans, tacos. Fantastic. That's ours now. We're keeping that Italians pizza. That's ours now. We're keeping it like, you know, whatever's bad. We know, not popular. 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That's pretty exciting. Yeah, I, I mean, the ministry of on gentlemanly warfare was a little bit of a shame. The movie? No, the book, because I was such a fan of the book. First, and I don't know whether you ever listened to the audiobook that's behind it, but the guy that did the audiobook has just got the most brilliant classic sort of 1940s posh British accent. It's so, it's so immersive to like have somebody speak it. Well, you know, what was very interesting about Churchill's war? You're like, oh, and there. I'm fucking there, dude, right? Like, give me the enigma machine. Like, we're going to rip this thing. Yeah. And I loved that era of what I think British people are particularly good at, which is the, it is the magyvering. It's the sort of spitt and sodas and salad tape and cable ties of coming up with relatively innovative solutions. And one of the ones, you know, the, the depth charge mind, the limpip mind, that was invented as a part of this in, in the UK. And what they needed to do is they needed to find something that would reliably dissolve at the same rate. And they're trying all of these different complex, uh, chemical interactions between a wall with the saline and the saltwater and sometimes it changes at different depths. It's going to be different parts of the ocean. What are we going to use? And then it turned out that an aniseed ball suite, like a little suite, that would be perfect to keep the two firing pins apart. And when you drop it, it's very reliable of how long it takes to dissolve in saltwater over time. And then it goes up. But in order to protect the ball so that it didn't degrade humidity that was in the air, they needed to use condoms. They were like, well, we're going to, we'll wrap it in a condom and we'll keep, we'll keep it dry by having, by having the condom around it. And in the book, the guy says, so in an effort to not be found out about what it was that they were using, they covered their tracks by going to each of the different pharmacies in the local village. And they were buying all of the condoms, but different people were going and they weren't going at the same time and they were going for overtime and distributing themselves around. And he just had this little parentheses and he said, it is unclear whether or not nine months later, the births in Little Higginton had increased due to the shortage of condoms that were available because they'd all been taken to create these fucking limpet mines or these debts charges. Exactly the cause and effect you'd look for. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You guys also were famous for putting chickens inside a nuclear landmine. So if I, if I recall, chickens in nuclear landmines, why would you do that? Yeah. That's how you kept them warm. The chickens? No, the mines. Why would we need the mines to be warm? The electronics inside of them. It's like a two-cold digger. Yeah. So like basically during the cold war, they had the, shit, what's it called, the gap, something gap. The main gap they were worried the Russians were going to pour through with tanks. That was like everybody had battle plans drawn up for this. And one of the things that UK had was a nuclear powered landmine. Well, you didn't want to bury the landmines because you know, they didn't want to just have a nuclear bomb buried under the ground. So the plan was to have the holes pre-dug, have the mines there. And if the Russians were coming, we're going to bury the mines real quick and dip out. Well, then it was a question of how do we rely, rely of a fire this thing, keep it warm, keep it dry, yada, yada, yada. They tried heaters, they tried all kinds of different things. And ultimately what they decided worked best was they did the math on how long three chickens could survive with the air inside of this bomb when they were sealed in. And then how long it took for their bodies to cool off. And then that would be the detonation for the nuclear landmine because it was like, this is so much more impressive than a fucking anisee bowl, holy shit. That was your guys' plan was to put chickens inside the nuclear landmines, bury them. And then when the chickens died, their bodies went cold. It would set off the mines. This is the sort of innovation that we're missing. This is the sort of shit that I originally wished that we were doing more of. One of my favorite ones, I had John Lyle on the Dirty Tricks Department. He's here in Austin. And what I love about him is he's got access to the archives. And he goes into so much of the research, like a source source source material in the archives, dusting shit off. Have you heard the story about how there was a psychological assessment done of Hitler? And in an attempt, perhaps you didn't need to do a psychological assessment of it to work this out. Hitler had a fragile hold on his masculinity. That was one of the things that the psychometric evaluation, the psychological evaluation determined. So the Allies attempt was if we can somehow disrupt Hitler's relationship with his own masculinity, then he will begin to go so insane that he won't be able to maintain the control that he needs. So their plan was to literally trans-Hitler. They found the Gardener that grew the vegetables for the crow's nest. What was the Eagles nest? Eagles nest. Thank you. They found the Gardener that grew the vegetables for it. And they did the bring you on board, slowly, slowly recruitment process. And they gave him female sex hormones that the plan was to inject the female sex hormones into the vegetables. And then Hitler would eat the vegetables, but his estrogen would go up, and his massacred fallout, his hair would go, and his voice would go soprano. And he would lose his mind. And his masculinity would be destroyed and we'd win the war. And that was one of the plans that the dirty tricks did they go through it? They gave him the sex hormones. They don't know if the Gardener, the vegetable grow man ended up putting it in, whether or not Hitler ate it, etc., etc. But that was one of the plans. That was one of the attempts. That's fucking insane. I love everything about it. There was another one one of my favorite stories from the dirty tricks department by John is I think foxes are a bad omen for Japanese people that seems a horrible omen. So one of the plans that they had was, well, if we can get a bunch of foxes and we can dump them on the shore, that will, the dead foxes on the shore of Japan, that will demoralize the Japanese, they will see it as this horrible omen and it'll mean that they're not going to fight back and we'll get to win the war. But it turns out that they couldn't find in a foxes, like the total number of foxes that they could get a hold of wasn't big enough. So they decided instead to paint raccoons because they could get tons of raccoons. So we're like, well, we can paint the raccoons and actually fuck it. We might as well paint them with a luminous paint because this would be, that would be scary. I like, if they were all glowing in the dark, that would be great. But we can't get close enough without being detected. So what we'll do is we'll work out where the tides are going, get them at low tide, dump them off the coast and then they'll get like swept in and they'll be left on the shoreline and then everyone will be really worried. Well, first off, they got the tides wrong. Secondly, the water washed all of the paint off them. So there was just some dead raccoons that appeared. So that, okay, that didn't fucking work. Okay, so this is what we're going to do. We're going to get a massive loud speaker with a pre-recorded message in a scary voice talking in Japanese and we're going to get like an animatronic fox head and stick it on the side of a boat and just broadcast messages as if this fox is like speaking bad on its side. This is, you've gone backward from advanced military technology to like medieval feudal, like God would just go into so seeds of discord by saying like Zeus is mad at you. Type thing. That was what they assume. Also trying to demoralize the Japanese is an uphill battle. Those guys were fun addicts. I mean, I think the last guy surrendered in '76. It's still fighting in the jungle. Yeah, hero Anota in the Philippines. He didn't surrender until 30 years after the fact. And what did he hugged people walking around, right? And assume that it was enemy trips. It's a lie. Oh, they sent, they sent his, I think they sent his wife over at one point to try to talk to him and he's like not buying it. They finally got him to quit by finding his old commander like 30 years after the fact that had to go out in the jungle and get him and tell him like it was over. Like those guys weren't believing shit, but also crazy military. Have you seen, do you know about the bat bombs? Oh, they're trying to put bombs on bats. No, they did put bombs on bats. Yes. Yeah. Giant call under bomb. Looks like they took a bombshell that would like open up after it with a parachute and like let all these bats out. And the bats were strapped with incendiary, incendiary devices. So the theory was, yeah. So that's when it's closed and then it opens up and releases all these bats. Okay. And it's a, it's a, it's a bomb that contains bats with bombs attached. Correct. To them. Yes. Inside of it. Yes. And it was three times more effective than a normal incendiary bomb. Because it would go into the, the, under the eaves and shit. They were going to fly up into the addicts and everything. Yep. Right before it was time to roost for daylight. And then incendiary device goes off. It's going to light all of Japan on fire. That was legitimately the backup plan for the atomic bomb. What are some of the other most surprisingly hardcore animals from a history that have been used? You got voice tech, the Polish artillery bear. You've got what? The Polish, the Polish were held POWs for a period of time. I think by the Russians and then they got released to go fight back at the Battle of Monte Cassino. And like while they were on their way there, they picked up a, I believe it was a Siberian brown bear named, they named it the voice tech and that was like their pet bear. And are you fucking kidding me? That's a man in a bad suit. No, that's, that's not a real picture. But like it's, there's a lot of mockups of it. But like it really happened. They had a, they had a pet bear that they were using to help just like carry ammunition and shit, like loading it on its back. Well, the bear was smart. It liked them. And it kind of like figured out like, oh, during the battle when it's really loud and the guns were going off, all the guys are picking up these big artillery shells and carrying them to the guns. So it, it learned it and it, it started doing that to walk in artillery to the gun. Yeah. And then there's another story where they like used it during an interrogation to scare the shit out of some guy. Like I'm gonna feed you to the pet bear. Bring voice tech in. Yeah. Like, so you got that Sergeant reckless is probably my favorite. Sergeant reckless. Yeah. Horse. Okay. America's war horse, man. Okay. Um, during the Korean War, again, hang on. They were still using horses during the Korean. No, no, the Marines acquired one. What's that mean? What it quides in a heavy lift? They acquired it. Okay. Um, basically, at the ass end of the Korean war at the, you know, the 32nd parallel, basically where the border is today, it's very mountainous, hilly terrain. So what was happening at this point in time is like diplomatic relations are going on. And Americans are basically up on, on high points on hills all across the peninsula. And they're just trying to hold this line long enough to get this peace treaty signed, whereas the Chinese and the North Koreans want to punch through because they only have like 15, 16 miles to get the soul. And if they can take over soul, negotiations are going to go, go much better in their favor. So America's just trying to hold the line and up top these hills are like You know, it's not a terrain, you can drive a truck up, and the only way they're going to be able to hold these hills from these massive meat walls that communists are willing to throw is artillery, but they can't get artillery up there. So the best thing they have is this thing called a recoilless rifle. It's basically a big bazooka on a tripod, a 75 millimeter recoilless rifle. They can walk these up there and then walk the ammunition up, and that's what they're having to do. They're just running ammunition up these hills to fire this big bazooka. And eventually that gets tiring. So they're like, they go down to Seoul. They go to the racetrack and they're like, we're buying a fucking horse. So they buy this horse. It's a Mongolian mayor and they bring the horse back. The Marines put it through hoof camp, boot camp, hoof camp, suit they did there. That's clever. Yeah. So they train the horse. They get it acclimated to like hearing gunshots and stuff and like get it, get it so it's immune to that. And they basically train this horse to just walk ammunition up and down these hills during fire fights and stuff. And she's awesome like the Marines lover. And during the Battle of Outpost Vegas, there's basically three hills that form a triangle called the Iron Triangle and it's like right there. It's like the spot they would really want to punch through to get to Seoul. And it's called the three hills are Reno, Nevada and Carson, the three Las Vegas gambling cities because it's a gamble whether or not we can hold them. And the Battle of Outpost Vegas is what it's called and they throw everything they have at these Marines in this horse, Sergeant reckless carries. I forget in the video, it's hundreds of tons of ammunition. This horse carries up and down the battlefield, getting new ammo to the guns during this fight and she's like, arguably the reason they were able to get through was this horse delivered so much ammunition. She covered it was like a ridiculous amount of mileage just going up and down these hills. She was carrying and wounded soldiers back down like this one horse was this humongous game changer. They wound up holding the hill. And then the story gets even like the cool part of the story is when the Marines go to go home, they're like, all right, well, we're bringing Sergeant reckless with us. And the army or the military is like, no, you're not, she's got to stay here. They're we're going to sell her to make glue or give her away. And they're like, no, you're not. So the Marines in her unit actually coordinate with other lower enlisted guys in the military and get this horse on a plane to Japan and then coordinate a civilian ship to pick up the horse and get her sent over to San Diego. And then the Marines pick her up. They smuggle this horse into the United States of America from South Korea. And then they get held up at the dock because you can't just bring livestock into the country because it could have diseases or whatever, whatever. So they want to kill her. And the Marines are down there with this guy from I forget the government agency they sent in there. But they're like, no, you're not. And they basically like these Marines are ready to kill this guy over it. And he's like, well, maybe we can just take a blood sample. He goes, that's a good fucking idea. So they take a blood sample of the horse and then as soon as that guy leaves, they take her out and they smuggle her, sorry, not San Diego, San Francisco. They then smuggle her into the building. They're having the Marine Corps ball and they bring the horse in for the Marine Corps ball. She's like eating the flowers and like they've already taught this horse how to drink beer and shit. And like the horse, you know, a horse's jaw, like go off to the side when they chew. She'll actually offset her jaw and let the Marines pour straight whiskey and soda and stuff into her mouth. They get fucked up with this horse and then they don't know what to do with it. So they've got like they've got her hiding in this farm. And then the PR comes out that, oh, this war horse is a blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh, oh, this is good PR for the military. So now the military is back on board. So they bring her onto the actual Marine base and she, you know, gets a home there. She spends her rest of her life there. She's actually given the rank of sergeant. Like not not ceremonial. She's legitimately a sergeant in the Marine Corps and privates and anybody lower enlisted has to address her as such. They have to treat her as such. Nobody was allowed to ride her and they would always pick some farm kid that knew how to take care of animals to be her liaison that had to exercise her every morning. Well, how do you, how do you do PT with a horse? You can't ride it because it's a higher rank than you. So he just had to run next to this horse every morning for like 10 miles and it was a running joke in the Marine Corps that he was the most in shape Marine. And the story keeps going and, you know, sergeant reckless becomes famous. She's an icon in the Marine Corps and she's getting old and they kind of come to the conclusion that like, all right, well, we need sergeant reckless to have some kids. So the plan is to bring in some high in race horse that's famous to have kids with sergeant reckless and create the ultimate war horses. Nobody tells this to the kid that's in charge of looking after sergeant reckless. This kid just gets orders one day like, hey, take sergeant reckless to the normal, the normal horse, horse pins with the other normal marine horses and let her go in there. And he's like, that's weird. She has her own pen. She's not a normal horse. We don't, she doesn't associate with these horses. So sergeants. Yeah. So he goes and puts her in the pen and he like goes and gets breakfast and he comes back. She's getting mounted by one of these ordinary garden variety marine horses. He freaks out, beats the horse off the off of her, like, yeah, for sure. So he's freaking out. Little while later, truck pulls up dig fancy, you know, horse carriage or whatever and they unload some big fancy race horse. And they leave. Well, again, nobody told him he was supposed to breed sergeant reckless. So he doesn't let, he just cock blocks that horse from having sex with sergeant reckless the entire time. He's cock blocking the next. Exactly. Yeah. So then like a couple weeks later or whatever, he shows up to work. And there's like all these news people in generals and they're like, sergeant reckless is pregnant. He's like, oh, fuck, I'm in trouble. And he's like, okay, that's a good thing. And they're like, yeah, no, that's a great thing. And he's, okay, okay, that's weird. And then one of the reporters asks the kid, what's the name of the race horse that bred sergeant recklessly? What's the name of the thoroughbred and that's the dad and he's like, I don't know, it was just one of the bucking horses from the pin gets yanked around the side of the pen by the journal. What the fuck did you just say? What is going on? And he explains what happened. And so like she didn't have a mayor with this, you know, super stud race horse. So that was like you killed the whole PR campaign. So then the way they recovered for the PR was all they did was they had a big sign outside of the marine base. It said, it's a dot, dot, dot. And then basically when they found out if it was a boy or a girl, they promoted it. And then like that was the big PR push for the Marine Corps, which is funny because the Marine Corps inadvertently created gender reveals. So yeah, no sergeant reckless, probably my favorite war animal. I watched, I watched a video recently of, I think the maybe bomb sniff of dogs. And there's some sort of a parade happening and there's a bunch of Alsaceans there. And I'm currently in, I, I, you know, the Truman show seen the true show in like the entire world's kind of curated for that. I have a working theory that big golden, which is the company behind golden retrievers, the large industry body that is behind golden retrievers, that they are seeding very cute golden retrievers into my life at a higher frequency than normal to try and sigh up me into getting a golden retriever and it's working. So I'm currently sort of in the market looking at learning about golden retrievers and shit like that. And I saw this video. Can you try and find it, Mark? There's like a bit. Oh, here it is. This is it. Look at this. And all of these dogs are just so locked in, and there's a couple of, he's just, I mean, I want that. Like that's the level of dog that I think is important to. I want one that is single digit IQ, ideally. My, my wife made me get a golden doodle eight years ago, sick. I don't think she grasped how big a pure bread, golden doodle was and he's like 70 pounds, 80 pounds. Bro, he's like 110. He's a fucking horse. He is a fucking horse. And when I let his hair grow out, he looks like a giant chicken tender. It's fucking hilarious. I love this dog so much. It's so funny. She's like, he's too big. I wanted a little cute dog. I was like, no, he's fucking awesome. Yeah. He's perfect. He's perfect. I'm feeding him more. He's on protein shakes now. Yeah. Fuck me. Going a little bit further back, you looked at Washington before Trenton stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, it's kind of weird. I guess American people don't realize how little British people learn about the revolution and about. Absolutely. You don't, you don't tend to talk about your losses in the same way that you talk about your W's. Yeah. But what, what, did you, because that seems like a really fascinating story that not many people know about, like that period of sort of Washington's existence, what, like, what have you learned from sort of looking at that and the kind of characters that have been around that, that era of history? Oh, God. Again, I mean, it's all the same dudes, man. War changes the men that fight it never do. It's always just some dude that is too stupid to quit with a never say die attitude that's willing to tell you to go fuck yourself, that changes the world every single time. I guess you asked it specifically about the Battle of Trent or just Revolutionary War. Yeah. The Trenton one is, is particularly good, because it's like on, whatever midnight on December 31st was like a uniquely important thing. Yeah. So I mean, basically what had happened up until this point in the war is Washington, you know, we had initial success. And then it's just been Washington has basically done the textbook right thing. And we talked about how you're supposed to do the right thing, not the, you know, the bold rebellious thing. For the rest of the war, you know, through New York and everything, he basically fights a very conservative defensive war, trying to basically nickel and dime the British and make it too expensive for you guys to want to keep going. And by this point in the war, his back is up against the wall. And he's like, fuck it. I need a W. I'm going to cross a frozen river and kill a bunch of you guys in your sleep to inspire people to keep going. And the reason it was really important is because at this point in time, a lot of the colonials are just volunteers or they sign like a one year contract. And their contracts are about to expire, winter is about to hit. And if that contract expires and everybody goes home and we end this fighting season, so to speak, because you don't really fight in winter at this point. If we end the fighting season of this war, after I just racked up, you know, eight, 10, 12 losses and we've done nothing but get our asses kicked the entire time. When summer and springtime comes back around, nobody's showing up to fight. And this is, this is over. So it was basically his back was up against the wall and he needed a W. And he found a way to make it fucking happen. Um, he, oh, I'm sorry. The so battle of Trenton, he basically coordinates with three separate units. They have to go and they're like, we have to cross this river. We have to do it at night. And they go and they commandeer all these boats that are on the river. This part of the river is used for like a lot of commerce and everything else. So they have these, I don't know, they're like a big fucking canoes, basically, that you can put like iron ore and crops and shit in and ship them down the river. So at first, they try to buy them. They're like, because you know, you don't want to upset all the local people. Like it's hard to be like, hey, we're fighting a rebellion against the tyrannical government. We're here to steal your shit. Give me your stuff. Yeah. So they try to buy them at first and if they can't buy them, they try to rent them. And then finally, if they can't rent them, they're like, I don't know, we're fucking taking it. Sorry. And they take it and they wind up getting only two of the three groups actually wind up making it across the river and where they're supposed to get. They launch this ambush on Trenton. And the coolest part about this battle for me is Henry Knox, who is Fort Knox, the military base. He's kind of like the godfather of American artillery. Like he's the man. He's a 24 year old built like a brick. Everybody always portrays him as fat. But he was like, he was taller and he was like 220. Like I'm pretty sure he was just a built fucking dude. But he was he ran a bookstore and he was just a huge nerd and he just read everything about military tactics that he could and he just became our artillery guy. So Henry Knox is on this mission and artillery cannons. It's usually like put them up on the hill and we're going to rain hell down on the enemy. He's like, now we're trying to take a town. I'm going to bring the fucking artillery with me. So he actually when they go into Trenton, they basically wheeled the artillery in into crossroads and are like, all right, this road's ours. Anybody, anybody tries to come down this road. They're fucking getting it with canister shot, which is basically a giant fucking shotgun. So can't canister shot is instead of one big cannonball. Imagine a burlap sack of pool ball sized cannonballs. Boove. No, thank you. It clears everything in that direction. But yeah, I mean, they ransack it. A bunch of civilians actually start helping them out with the battle. Most of them were Hessians. They weren't actually British regulars. Hessians were the German mercenaries more or less loyal to the British. But yeah, they took over Trenton, chased them all the way back up. Got that victory. And then after that, I believe they went into valley forge. After researching all of these people, what do you think most normal humans misunderstand about bravery? Because it sounds from the outside like everybody involved in this incredibly courageous, a single-minded mission, et cetera, et cetera. What do people get wrong about bravery? I think they underestimate themselves for sure. I mean, I think there's a lot of people that if you put if you put them in the same exact circumstance that they would have done something or tried to do something similar at the very least. So I don't know, but I think that kind of bleeds into like, if you can't imagine yourself in that circumstance, you can't imagine how you would react. So then you just avoid putting yourself in that circumstance. So like, I don't think, I don't know, I just think it's, I think the average person is capable of a lot more than they want to believe they are. Craig Jones, who is a Brazilian jujitsu guy, spent a good bit of time in different war zones. Now appears to be on this weird like child predator sting thing. Like he's now a private investigator tracking his dude down around us. Really, it's kind of strange. Anyway, he told me a story about when he'd gone to Ukraine. He spent a good bit of time in Ukraine. And he was like, near to where the core bombing was happening. And there was this lady who had a bakery. So all the nice lady and he'd been eating there. And then the windows of her bakery had been blown out by the aftershock of some bomb at some point. And the next day she'd got up and was serving baked goods through the newly broken window. I had just like, you know, taken a broom handle and cleared the rest of Jason Bourne film. I was like, Oh, I've got a new hatch to serve through. And I think that point to me is like, you don't know what situation, you don't know your reaction until you're in a situation like that. And I think what's interesting at least about the Ukraine war, there was only one going on, right, when Ukraine and Russia happened. There was only one like kinetic incursion. So we were able to watch it. Now it's like having cable as opposed to like, you know, five channels. There's so many conflicts at which one do I want to watch? And I get confused. But with that, you got to see this thing firsthand. And he was telling me these stories. And I saw this too. I saw how many people that from the outside you wouldn't assume would have this bit of this heroic tumor or the streak in them. Normal people doing what seemed to be extraordinary things. I think it's very hard for both of us to relate to it, just because you're UK. I'm American. Both of our countries have pretty much been hosting away games the entire time. I think I don't think the average person realizes that like in these war zones that are urban areas. And like, when shit happens, people literally do just pick up and continue on with their lives by and large a lot of the time. Like why? Because there's nothing else to do. What else would you do? You wake up one day and you're like, my favorite coffee shop just got blown up. I guess I got to find somewhere else to get coffee. Like, it's weird and it's horrible. But like, what else do you do? Like, it's going to keep going on. And people just live through that. And I think Americans and British people are very disconnected because again, like when was the last time either of those nations had a war on their soil and had to even remotely experience that? Like nobody alive today. What do you make of the Greenland thing? You know, I'm kind of fascinated by how different periods of history have been facilitated by tactical advantages that maybe once or visible at the time. Like a Europe having a deep ports, meaning that you've got a better access for Navy, better ships, etc, etc. It seems like Greenland, from a tactical perspective, potentially quite key stony. You know, it's an area that's very, very important. What do you make of that? Presumably you've been tracking it, thinking about it from a military perspective. It's not, I have a video on it. It's not one of the videos I brushed up on before coming here. But basically Greenland, a lot of it is just backlash because people just don't like Trump and they won't like anything that he does. But America wanting control of Greenland is not new and we've wanted it for over a hundred years. We have tried to buy Greenland multiple times. We've had bases there since World War II. We've had a secret underground ice base there at one point. You can look up Operation, I believe it's called Operation Ice Worm. We had a secret underground nuclear facility that we built there without telling anybody. America has always wanted access to Greenland because it controls that North Sea and it's the only way that the USSR is going to be able to actually launch like a major naval campaign or the fastest way for them to do it. It's extremely important. It has been for hundreds of years. It's not new that we want control of it at all. Yeah, it's interesting thinking about, I looked at a breakdown of the specifics of the deal. And I think that there's something in it that even if Greenland was to separate from the Dutch with regards to its relationship that the American deal would still hold. It's in perpetuity for now and forever sickness and in health. Unless you can make us move, America is not moving. It doesn't matter if it's a Republican or a Democrat in office, America will not give up military control of Greenland. Greenland belongs to these. It really belongs to whoever the fuck has the most guns there. That's America. You can say whatever you want. America has control of that island. They have for since World War II. They're not giving it up for anybody. That's just the way it is. What do you think is the likelihood that Canada has America tries to make a big approach? toward Canada. - Well, very, very small. Like, try to take over Canada? - Maybe not try to take over it, but tries to do something diplomatic to subsume it as best they can. - I could see, what is it Alberta that kind of already has a political movement to join America? I mean, I could see America allowing it. I don't know that they're like overly interested in taking it. Canada is just, from what I know of it, which granted is not a lot. It's a very, it's a very weird country just because the majority of their population, it's like 80% or more is localized within 60 miles of the U.S. border. I mean, it's right there. And the rest of it's just uncharted tundra. And so, I don't know, it's. - Have you ever seen the population distribution of Iceland? It's like a donut, but like a really, really, really fucking thin donut. And almost the entire middle of this thing is like sweet, fuck all. And then you've got recivaked down here and then a little bit more. And then there's like some other stuff up here. - Australia's kind of the same, yeah. - Yeah, exactly. - You've got like Perth on one side and then that coast and then like the middle is just a big empty donut. And that's kind of it. - It's me, I'll be in the middle. - Yeah, that's where I wanna be at. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are some of the more unglomerious jobs that during the research that you've done looking at wars, people maybe don't think about giving enough credit to, I mean a horse that carries artillery up and down hills is maybe one of them, but I have to assume that not all of the most obvious positions are perhaps the ones that are the most pivotal or like highly contributing or they're a little bit less glamorous, but it's still very important. - I mean, it's all of them to a large degree, you know? Like everybody glamorizes, you know, the dude on the front lines with the gun actually, you know, doing the work or whatever, but the amount of logistics and people that you have to have working behind you to get you on the front line with ammunition, with food and water, it's like 150 people per guy on the front line working on the back end to actually get everything done. I mean, that's where the saying wars one by logistics comes from. So I mean, everybody's job is super important. And yeah, nobody gets all the credit that they deserve when they're just like I was, I was just a cook, I was just of that, I was just, but you know what I mean? Like how far do we get without all of those people? Not very far. The guy with the gun can't shoot much if he hasn't had a meal for a week. - Yeah, but I mean, to give you like a very specific answer, if I had to pick one, it would be truck drivers. Like military truck drivers are like the unsung heroes of, you know, during World War II, you had like the Red Ball Express, during GWAT, you had all the 88 mics that were out there doing missions. Like everybody's like, oh, what do you do? I'm just a truck driver, it's like, what's your job? I drive through IED infested roads to get food and water to the guys that are actually fighting these guys. - In a massive target, a massive moving target that can be seen from miles away. - Exactly, and like you see the truck drivers in all the wars, having to improvise and adapt and do a bunch of gangster shit just to survive. This is the same thing, where it's like enemy knows, logistics wins wars, and if we can stop their logistics, we win the war. During Vietnam, the truck drivers were literally doing this shit. They were turning their trucks for supplies into heavily armored gunships. What's that on top? - That's a fuck of 50 cows. It's a giant antenna and 250 cows. Look up the Vietnam, the eye of destruction gun truck. - The eye of destruction. You know what I want to know? I want to know who the guy is that gets the copywriting department that comes up with the nomenclature for this. That's what I want, that's my job. Hey, what was your job? You're just as important the cook, very important. Apparently I spoke to a historian who's very influential in this, "Oh, what was your job during the war, Chris?" Oh, I came up with the sick names. - No, I came up with the sick names. - That's just the guys that run the crew, bro. Tank always have funny names. You know what I think about a World War III breaks out? 'Cause you know, World War II, we were having like, like now you can't do it because we're not in like big, you know, big wartime. You can't be painting shit all over your planes. Like World War II, people were painting pinups and shit on all their planes and stuff. And it's like now like, dude, if we have World War III, 100% they're gonna be painting anime chicks with massive pits on the side of a bomber. A thousand percent that's happening. - That's a big natural bomber. - Yeah. (laughing) That's it. - See, that's why you should be employed. What's this, what's this big scary thing? - Is this it? - Ah, that's not it. That's the eve of destruction. The eye of destruction, you ever seen a-- - The eve of destruction, sorry, sorry, that we got confused between the eve of destruction and the eve of destruction. - One of these trucks had a, have you ever seen like the anti-aircraft thing that you sit in and it's got four miniguns or four 50 cows? And you like sit in it and it's just got 50 cows here and 50 cows here. They mounted one of those in the beds of these trucks. - Okay. - Just to fight off the people that were attacking them. So they delivered surprise. - It's so, yeah. - It's like a gyroscope thing, right? - Yeah. - But I mean, and that's just like what it, and you know, like during the global war on terror, you had truckers that were lining the bottoms of their beds and they're, you know, the inside of their cabs with sandbags because they were getting blown up by IEDs and having those sandbags there would help. - Should protect them. - It's just like these guys aren't held up as, you know, the dudes on the front line doing the fighting, but like they're constantly getting attacked and putting themselves in harm's way to get those dudes the shit they need to do their job. And it's just like super underappreciated. - If you could go back, if I could transport you back to any place in history, time in history battle, what do you think you'd want to be a spectator of? What are some of the ones that, something that comes to mind where you're like, ah, God, it would be fucking sick to just watch that thing unfold. Is there something that comes to mind? - Dude, there's so many. I just did a video on my friend Ed. The first time I've ever done a video on somebody that's still alive, seeing his, his battle would be pretty cool. He, so Ed Ed Eaton was a sniper in Vietnam. And he's, he's still around. He was on my podcast over on unsubscribe and met him, talked to them. So it worked really hard on the video 'cause it was first time I actually had the real source like I could call him and ask him questions and he got to watch the video before I uploaded it and be like, yep, send it. So like that meant a lot to me. And basically his story is, he joins Vietnam fairly late into Vietnam just 'cause he's a young kid, just graduated high school, wanted to go off, see what he was made of. And he volunteers to go, he wanted to be a medic but they made him infantry instead. And they send him out on infantry and immediately he's just, he's in over his head. He, you know, the boat before he even gets to his military base of operations in the main calling Delta gets hit with like a sabotage attack and he wakes up at the belly of this ship on his first day in country getting transported there and he wakes up and the room that he's in is filling up with diesel fuel. Like up to the fucking ceiling and it's up past, you know how the port holes in a boat are like this and there's like this much space. It's already past the door. So he's like treading diesel fuel and he fucking has to duck and swim under through diesel fuel to get up a ladder and get on top of the ship. And by the time he gets up top he's soaked in diesel fuel and there's stuck there for like a day waiting for somebody to come rescue him. So he's sitting there in the sun of the Maycon Delta. Everybody's naked, they took their clothes off 'cause they were soaked in diesel fuel. Just getting sunburned to shit. That was like his first day. He was there. And then he winds out going on a mission and they make him the RTO, the radio guy, would kind of common to have the new guy be the RTO 'cause the RTO sticks right next to the squad leader 'cause the squad leader needs to have access to the radio. - So it's kind of like an assistant? - I mean his job is to carry the radio and do whatever but his job necessitates him being right there next to the head guy in charge. So the head guy in charge kind of gets to keep an eye on him. - Oh, okay. - So like that was his job initially. - Training, training, kind of. - Yeah. And his first mission, you know, he is multiple people get heat stroke. Four of them wind up getting brain damage. They have heat stroke so bad. And every time they call on him out of act for these guys they're like bring more water. We don't have water and nobody has water. They never bring the fucking water. He almost falls out with heat stroke, winds up surviving. Like the first couple missions that he walks you through and I go over him in the video and in his book or just it's brutal. Just trying to adapt to the climate and the heat and the mosquitoes eating him alive and everything else. And it's kind of a story of how he goes from this kid that just got in way over his head to becoming the guy that can survive this environment. And then eventually he gets the opportunity to go to sniper school. And sniper school was brand new at this point in time. It was just getting stood up. It was a new thing. Usually military schools are like trained or taught at this base in America and whatever. They were literally teaching these guys in Vietnam. So he goes back to a base in Vietnam and he talks about like enemy snipers taking pop shots at him while he's at sniper school learning how to be a sniper. - Well, there's nothing like learning on the jump. - Right. Like it's just crazy. And you know sniper school has a super high attrition rate. A lot of people flunk out. And basically what they did was the first week they were there, they had some initial training and then they had a competition. And they only kept the top 10 guys. Everybody else got kicked out. He was the top shot out of those 10 guys. So he stayed, goes all the way through sniper school, goes to do his final and then misses the 900 meter target on his final. And he's the out of the out of the 10 that actually made it to do all the sniper school He's the first guy to ever fail He was the third iteration of sniper school ever. So there's only 20 dudes that are snipers at this point And he was supposed to be 30 and he failed so now there's only 29 So he just gets sent back to his unit to be an infantryman and he goes and does that I mean he winds up being a squad leader then a platoon leader. He learns every job He's a grenadier for a while. He's he does it all. He he goes from being, you know, the fucking new guy that doesn't know Anything to be in the experienced guy that is trying to get himself and other people through this and Eventually they start running these missions that are basically Checker boarding strategy like instead of like moving troops into an area and like controlling that area They're just gonna be like we got to intel that there's enemies in this village And they're like we're gonna fly in at night with helicopters insert hit the village in 10 minutes and then get back on the helicopters and dip out and that's what they're doing and on April 3rd he Wines up, you know, he's been in the field for three days doing normal missions and they're doing this volunteer only mission and Him and all of this more experienced guys are all smoked and they're like I'm not gonna go and his commander captain Perkins Basically, you know, ask him like all I've got's fucking new guys for this volunteer only mission Ed can you come with me and? By this point in time Ed has already he's not a sniper But he's friends with all the snipers so he has acquired a Sniper rifle with a starlight scope, which is like an early version of a night vision scope again at quiet's doing a lot of heavy lift acquired Yeah, he acquired it. Don't worry about it So he's like fuck fight. He's been in the field for three days like fuck fine. I'll go So he goes out on this mission and they land in this rice paddy and he said it the mud was just like peanut butter He said it was like trying to walk through two feet of peanut butter and like the whole scope of these missions are Get on the ground clear the village 10 minutes in and out. We got a fucking dip So they go in and they clear this village. They don't really find anything, but they find a cave network that has concrete That's not normal in Vietnam Especially in the Maycon Delta tunnel networks weren't common in the Maycon Delta, but having a concrete reinforced structure Definitely not fucking normal kind of the tip of like there's a lot bigger military presence here Then we're ready to handle with two helicopters full of guys. So like we got to go right now so they high-tail it back out to this rice paddy and They're waiting for the helicopters and like the meme the trees start speaking Vietnamese and Captain Perkins and Ed can both like kind of speak Vietnamese at this point They know enough to hear them talking about machine guns and rockets and helicopters, which basically tells them They've got the big guns and they're waiting for the helicopters to show up to try to shoot the helicopters down on their way out Helicopters get in they load the helicopters and they fucking take off the cobras come in with the Huey's the cobras light up The woodline with a bunch of machine gunfire rockets give them's covering fire. They load the Huey's they dip As they're taken off they do a head count. They're fucking missing a guy and By this point the missions over as far as each individual helicopters concerned So the cobras have already changed radio frequency and they're headed to their next spot Captain Perkins in the Helo with Ed Basically like turn around we got to see if we can fucking find this new guy That's not on the helicopter and they turn around they see him in the fucking rice paddy and captain Perkins said he did the Signs are like he knew he was gonna die. So Captain Perkins is like fucking we're gonna go get him so they land down They touch down this guy jumps on the helicopter on the left side or the right side whatever and then Apparently they didn't fucking Everybody wasn't on the same page as to what we were fucking doing because as he hops in the helicopter on one side One of the other fucking new guys hops out on the other side and the helicopters take off again See if exchange one dude on the ground for another dude on the ground. Well now they start taking fire They go to loop back around again to pick this guy up and the helicopter gets shot down with Ed and Captain Perkins and the other guys in it Helicopter gets shot down smashes does a fucking barrel roll Ed wakes up with Literally pinned underneath the helicopter with like his face Above the waterline breathing and he's like able to finally wiggle himself out from underneath this fucking helicopter And he starts helping get all the other guys out of the helicopter and Everybody else is just fucked up. Ed's fucked up, but everybody else is combat ineffective. They can't do shit They're still taking small arms fire from the woodline. It's dark out So Ed climbs up on the helicopter and just throw me a gun all the guns got thrown fucking everywhere When the helicopter crashed so one of the pilots finds in him 16 They throw it to Ed Ed just starts mag dumping towards the enemy fire What else do you do? You can't fucking see anything like I see the muzzle flash over there. I'm gonna shoot over there I guess tell him to not come get me at least So he's on top of this helicopter on fire on top of the helicopter He's on top of the helicopter that's on its side He smells fuel like this could go up at any minute. He's returning fire within him 16 Yeah, and they're just trying to find Ed magazines and everything else Well, they finally find his sniper rifle the sniper rifles buttstock is cracked lengthwise So his gun's broken, but he can still kind of shoulder it and fire it So now he's rotating back and forth between this M16 and this sniper rifle with a starlight scope It's got night vision so he can actually see now. So that's a big advantage So he's lining up his shots and he's firing at these guys as they're you know firing at him and they're he can see through the starlight scope They split up into two groups and they're trying to close in on his position if they come and get them They're they're fucked. They're done. They're gonna get tortured to death So Ed is firing at these guys, but the bullets aren't hidden The scope got all fucked up during the crash like it's all out of zero He puts the crosshairs. That's not where the bullets going So he just keeps doing what he can do He's basically using the starlight scope to kind of see where they're at fire rounds just suppressing fire to keep him down switch back to the M16 fire at the sand spot Hope he fucking hits somebody and Eventually when he's firing his sniper rifle he catches a Glent of where the bullet landed like crosshairs are here the bullet landed over here So then he just Kentucky windages and it just fire and instead of putting you know the crosshair on the enemy He just puts them in that spot and he starts dropping dudes the estimates are 7 to 8 that he kills doing that and the estimates The conservative estimate that Ed believes is probably most accurate from what I've talked to him is somewhere around 30 But I've seen crazy estimates that were to like as high as 150 guys were out there fighting him So he gets in this firefight and he manages to hold him off until the fucking helicopters show back up The first helicopter shows up shows up at the cover gunships. They lay down his pressing fire and it's his colonel this crazy Dude named pistol Pete who in character Runs out of his helicopter with a fucking pistol and starts firing at the enemy and They go to get captain they get the first group of guys loaded up. It's not enough there's still some guys on the ground and it's Ed Captain Perkins and a couple other guys and Captain Perkins is He's completely out of the fight at this point. Both his hips are broken It's not good. They get another helicopter in there and They get pistol Pete's helicopter and Captain Perkins at this point. It's Ed Captain Perkins one guy The one guy goes to help load Captain Perkins onto the helicopter And Captain Perkins is like I'm not gonna make it because that helicopter's full. They're gonna have to sit on the skids To get out of there and Captain Perkins has two broken hips. He's not gonna be able to hang on So he's like just leave me so that guy gives him a grenade and it's like okay And goes to leave him well Ed doesn't realize this is happening at the time So that guy goes hops on the skids Ed goes hops on the skids And the helicopter goes to take off and then Ed realizes The fuck is Captain Perkins doing it down there and so Ed hops back off And Captain Perkins you can pull up the interview Captain Perkins says it himself He says, you know, he was laying there and he with a grenade like this is it. I'm the last one This is how I go out and through this firefight. He heard Ed say I'm not gonna let the old man die alone And Ed comes in and lays down next to Captain Perkins and continues to Repel the enemy long enough for more helicopters to show up another Huey With another cobra shows up and you know cobra you can't fit anybody in it It's just the two pilots it's an attack helicopter the Huey's full the Huey's uh And Captain Perkins has to lay down he can't sit up he can't hang on to shit So it's just Ed and Captain Perkins at this point this helicopter lands the dude in the helicopter orders one of the Vietnamese Tiger Scouts friendly Vietnamese Get off the helicopter stay with Ed they load Captain Perkins on that helicopter and it takes off So now it's just Ed in this Vietnamese Tiger Scout there still and Ed's like Fuck I'm gonna die And then the cobra attack helicopter pulls up next to him and opens that canopy and it's like sit on the fucking skids we're leaving The only spot to sit on the skids on the cobra attack helicopters with your back to the fucking rocket pod And Ed said there was still a rocket in it So but what are you gonna do? So Ed hops on the skid of this fucking cobra attack helicopter And they take off into the night And it's at this point that Ed realizes that his chin is flapping in the breeze When he was on top of the helicopter they'd fired a rocket And he caught shrapnel the skin to all the flesh off of his chin and it's now just dangling in the breeze as he's sitting on the skid of an attack helicopter That uh yeah going through it's pitch black out. He can't see shit Doesn't know how high off the ground he is doesn't know anything and after a while of flying It slows down to a hover and the attack helicopter guy like like signals jump off, he can't see, he can't see the ground. So he's like, "Fuck you, I'm not jumping off this thing." And finally, the dude opens, can't even be like, "Fuckin' get off my helicopter, I gotta go." And Ed's like, "Okay, so he jumps, "it was only like a four-foot drop, "it's just so dark he couldn't see it." And once he drops, that was like the final, the straw that kind of breaks the camel's back during the helicopter crash, Ed had actually broken his back. So he's done all of this with a broken back. So now Ed is, Ed can't walk, he can't get up, he's fucking stuck there. And the tiger scout that was on the other skid comes crawling up to Ed, he speaks Vietnamese and American. And he's like, "Where are we?" And Ed's like, "I have no fucking idea, dude, I don't know." And then they start hearing Vietnamese from the fucking bushes again. And he's like, "Fuck." And then the tiger scout eventually is like, it's okay, they're Republican Army, they're the friendly Vietnamese. They dropped him outside of the Republican Vietnamese Army base. So, friendly is, and they basically waited there for a real meta-back to show up. And Ed gets saved. And yeah, did all that with a broken back. - And you go to meet this guy and talk to him? - Got to meet him, talk to him, text him all the time. He's good shit. - How does it feel doing a story about someone that you know he's gonna get to see it? - Intimidating, it's the first time I've ever done it. It was, yeah, it was scary. It's probably the coolest thing I've ever done. Also the scariest thing I've ever done. Obviously it takes way more work. I gotta do, you know, now, I don't ever want anybody to like my biggest fear when I do these videos is for somebody's fan, like somebody's kid to come out of the woodwork and be like, "I hated your video." - Didn't you do one on Colonel Sanders? And his nephew was like, "Yeah, that's sick." Like, here's a couple of assignments, but pretty much you nailed it. - Yeah, so like Colonel Sanders, like, distant relative was happy with my video. I've had, I don't-- - You don't want to piss off the KFC, guys. - Yeah, sure. - Like, did the KFC Mafia? That's somebody don't get on the wrong side though. - But I've had a lot of videos where family members reach out where they love the videos. And like, that's always the coolest part for me. Like, yeah, I usually pin the comment and then I usually reach out to the family and like, talk to 'em. But I mean, that's happened multiple times. But to be able to do it with the guy that actually, that actually did it and the cool part for me is, you know, hey, here's the rough draft of this video. What do you think? And he's like, you know, and I went through and I re-filmed a lot of that video. I made corrections because he didn't like the way I portrayed this or he didn't, my verbiage was wrong here and I, so there was a lot more work, but that's completely fine. And the cool part for me is, you know, the other criticism was like, I feel like you're kind of making a bigger deal about some of these things than they really were. And I go, of course you feel that way. Like, you get it. - Classic will he reminemization? - Exactly, like, you did it like, dude, that's fucking crazy to the rest of us that you manage to accomplish that. I like it. It's cool that you don't think it's a big deal or that big of a deal, but like, that shit's fucking incredible. - I think that if you were doing more videos about people that was still alive or if more of the people that you were doing videos about were alive, I think that would be one of the most common responses. It would be this sense of like, ah, well, come on. Like, I mean, like, factually it happened like that. But like, symbolically, it's not, you're making it a bit more of it. And, you know, maybe that is, this is really interesting. I'm kind of obsessed with this psychological bias and it's called the fading affect bias. So fading affect bias is our psychological immune system. So good memories and bad memories both fade with time, but bad memories fade more and they often can become good memories. Rarely do good memories become bad ones, but quite often bad ones can become less bad or maybe even funny or humorous over time, right? Fuck, who was I talking to? Some SAS guy from a few years ago and he was telling me the story about when one of his teammates shot, accidentally shot, another one of his teammates in the ass, while there was attack coming in from all sides in the middle of somewhere in the Middle East. And at the time, it's like, fuck! Like, we need to, now this guy's not gonna be able to walk, we need to come and get it on all this thing. It's all this stress. Afterward, like, that's one of the best ongoing jokes that they have in the entire friend group. So bad memories fade with time and so do good, but bad memories fade more. And it's part of what we call a psychological immune system, which is minimization, distancing, disassociation, stuff like that. So it's good that you and me and everyone that's listening isn't pinned underneath the challenge that we went through when we were 10, right? Because that would be highly maladaptive. Like, you need to be able to get over bad things. Yeah. One of the problems of that is that it can cause you to forget the lessons that you learned from negative experiences. This is why people go back to their toxic ex. This is why people relapse into a drug that they swore they would never take again. This is why people get back into debt after they worked very hard to get out of it. Not just because there's this temptation, this sort of gravitational pull that was the reason they got in there first, but also that distance from the information doesn't mean it's typically we assume us in the future learns more, so we're more wise, right? It was sometimes to come with age, you get older, you got more information, but distance from emotion actually means that you are less accurate in your ability to understand how important that thing was than you were at the time. That's why you at the time is like, I can't deal with this fucking relationship anymore, I can't deal with the arguments, I can't deal with whatever the fuck you're going through. And you, you're later when you bump into her on a walk around the lake, is that. - Maybe think about that. - Wasn't that bad? - Yeah. - Bingo, right? Bingo, bingo, bingo, bingo. Same thing with people that are recovering from health problems, like I can't believe how much I let myself get burned out by that job. Never again, I'm gonna be present and I'm gonna sleep and I'm gonna take care of my health. And then 12 months later, I'm like, well, you know, I quite like the rush and the adrenaline and all the rest of it because fading affect bias doesn't work equally on all of our memories, it's selective and it seems to get away the bad ones. So not only are these guys classically heroic, which means that they want to kind of focus on everybody else, they make the hero of the story, all of the other people, but also you have this weird sort of selective reduction of the grandness of things that were challenging and difficult. Yeah, you know, it wasn't that hard because if they did realize just how hard it was, overcoming PTSD, no matter how hard that already is for a lot of guys that come back from difficult situations, would be so much more without this discriminating evaporation of particular painful memories. - Time heals all wounds. - Yeah, wait, concept, it does certainly, to some degree, or it causes you to minimize your heroic escapades. - Well, I always describe the militaries the best shitty time you'll ever have. - Hmm, seems to be everybody's recollection of it. - There was an interesting story from Edward Slingel and as well he wrote this book, "The History of Alcohol" throughout time. And what, what, just alcohol? - Yeah, he's talking about how one of the bonding procedures, one of the bonding rituals that used to happen to some armies, a few nights before battle when they first came together is that the generals would encourage all of the guys to get drunk together. One of the reasons is not just that when you're drunk, you are a better liar detector and a worse liar. It's an interesting asymmetry in terms of alcohol. So if we're both drunk, I can work out when you're lying better than I could when I'm sober, even if you were or were not drunk. And also you're worse at lying because your prefrontal cortex is tuned down. So you can't deceive and you can detect deception better. So take a truth serum, it's kind of like a weird sort of group size truth serum in a way. But the main reason they did it beyond, hey, this is us, our inhibitions are lowered and we get to put our arm around each other and maybe we clear up some issues that we've had or we have a fist fight and then we clear up the issues that we've had. It's a suffering the next day. Everyone wakes up, stinking hangover and you have had a little titrated dose of some suffering, it's fucking hell. - Trauma bonding. - Nick, I can't believe you did that. You shot in the tent, in the tent last night. Like that's unbelievable, whatever. And then okay, now that we've got that, when we go into battle together, we've already gone through something difficult. It's going through something difficult together, I think that really sort of cemented. - I mean, that's all, all military training too. I mean, they make you go through the gas chamber together, they make you do this together, that together, like that's all, it's just government-funded trauma bonding. - But it seems to be effective. - It does. - What is next for you? What's on the agenda? By the way, I do like to, everybody's to go and subscribe to the Fatal Division. Your stuff, fucking rips. You are one of the best storytellers I've ever seen. - Can one of you guys grow my backpack for me right on the couch out there? - Yeah, sorry. I'll show you, I brought you one. - Oh, thank you. - For what's next? - Unreal. I mean, I just, I think what you do is this weird blend of like morbid curiosity, masculine heroism, fantasy porn, and like tribute to stuff that's great. So everyone needs to go and subscribe to you because as big as you are, you need to be even bigger. Next flood, AKA the fat electrician, heroes are raised, book one, the flight of Richard Bong. - That's what I'm up to next. - Brave books. - Ten book series. - What if an ultra tech tape player could blast you back in time to save history's greatest heroes, to save history's greatest heroes? Is this a kids book? - Yep. - This is sick. And whose brave books? - Ah, this publisher that I worked with. - Unreal. - So basically, my biggest thing that I always get for comments and requests is I love your videos. I want my kids to hear these stories, but, you know, you're too graphic. You say fuck too much. Yada, yada, yada. And I originally tried to do this. - You don't say fuck enough. - I tried to do censored videos and those just didn't work out. So this was my next swing at trying to get war hero stories to kids. So I basically impregnated a fictional story with the nonfiction story of these real real life where he was playing that is that is a P 38 shooting an alligator, which actually happened. Okay. Is that an input what alligator is an important enemy? No, so that book one the hero that they save is Richard Bong, America's ace of aces, the greatest fighter pilot America's ever had during World War Two. And part of this story is one of his guys gets shot down and crash lands into a pond or a lake. And he's running patrol overhead. And when he's running patrol overhead and his guys in the water swimming. And that's for you. He can keep it. In your shots. That's right. Oh, I got you. And he basically is has this giant alligator swimming towards him. And Dick Bong, Richard Bong, swoops down in his P 38. You try to call it Dick Bong in the book. I don't in the book because it's a kid's book. But that's his name. That's what's Dick Bong. Yeah. Yeah. Dude is awesome. And this is a 10-book series. Yep. 10-book series. Everyone's a different hero. So basically I do it for kids. Why don't you do it for adults? Because the adults have my videos. And I want the kids to have something to get them excited about history. I feel like history is boring. I feel like most people don't like history because it's top boring. And this is my attempt at making history fun for kids. So I basically took it basically takes place in modern time. The two characters are my sons cutter and cash. And then I am a museum curator slash electrician. And we're living in an alternate reality where the Nazis won World War Two. Okay. And I basically figure out that Germany managed to accomplish this by using time travel to do something to the timeline to get rid of America's 10 greatest war heroes and prevent them from becoming the heroes. They were supposed to be thus changing the entire outcome of World War Two and allowing them to win. So this is how pivotal individual heroes can be change the entire course of the world. Yeah. And I'm going to go back and fix it myself. But I get kidnapped. And my sons find all my notes. And they find the device that I've recreated that I managed to track down. And they have to go back and fix the timeline to save me. And that's why they're glowing on green because that's the teleportation. Yeah. Technology that's so they basically they initially the the tape recorder that they have their time travel device is a recording of me. And it's basically a montage of this real war heroes real life. And that's all real information. It's a fictional story, but all the acts and everything are real things that happened from my videos. And it's a montage of me walking the boys through like what this guy did, what he accomplished, how he did it, how pivotal he was supposed to be in the world blah blah blah blah. But Germany did something to change it. They they prevented him from becoming this guy somehow. And then they have to go in and they can hit the record. And while they're in this montage, they're like ghosts. They're witnessing it. And first person, but nobody can see them. They can't interact with the environment. But then when they go to do the record function, they actually travel back in time. And they have to correct whatever the Nazi time travelers fucked up to make sure that that guy becomes who he's supposed to be. And every time the timeline gets a little bit more and a little bit more correct. But it's just a fun way to actually expose these kids to like, here's a bunch of history about America's greatest fighter pilot. All that's true. All that's accurate. And the cool part for me is we we put the books through like beta testing. We had parents and kids read the books. And in the beta testing, one of the questions that we asked them after they had read the book was like everybody liked them. They were fun. We asked them if they felt like they learned anything about history. It was no across the board. They didn't feel like they learned anything. And then we told them, take 10 minutes on your phone or we can get you a computer if you need Google Richard Bong and just read about them. And then they came back and re-answered. They felt like they learned a shit ton because they didn't even they're having so much fun reading the book. They didn't realize that the entire character of Richard Bong in this book, that was a real person and all that shit actually happened because it sounds so fantastical. Exactly. And it's just it's just not the stuffy on on April 17th in this date at this time at the battle of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, oh, it's fun. No, he actually shot an alligator with his plane. That's awesome. Like that really happened. So then they after looking at it, they're like, oh, shit, I did learn a lot. So that was really cool to see. Is that available now? It's available for pre-order now. And then it's officially released. I believe November 24th is when we're going to start shipping them out. Browell. Yeah. That's so cool. It's good to do the kid thing as well. I was with Jocco. Fuck it. Beverage forum in May or something this year. We've I've got new tonic. He's got Jocco go. And we were in this was a particularly what I mean, he's a good friend, but like it's an intimidating thing to be around him at the best of times, just the size of his head. But other than that, he's lethal. And we had concurrent meetings with the buyer from Walmart or something. It's like you said, a shark tank. Yeah. It's kind of a little bit like that. So there's this we it's all Bonnie blues like you up to says, whichever you prefer. Let me in. There's a room where action is going on and you have to wait outside until it's your turn. Jocco was going and we were talking about how this is going to happen with Walmart and all the rest of it. And he showed me the early cut trailer for Way of the Warrior kid, which is Chris Pratt. And he's doing something which is a cinematic movie equivalent. I think of what you're trying to do with this book, which is I can't remember what it's called. It's called a like an all ages movie or something. I think inside from Pixar was somewhat similar. The movie sort of occurs at multiple levels that the kid can watch it. And it's not sufficiently graphic. It's like PG 13 or maybe even less than that. And there's a story that but also the parents can go and they take something away and maybe different things away in the kids sort of get to do the thing too. And it's not too dissimilar as this like the co reading thing of if it's sufficiently engaging that both parents and kids like it and we'll go through it at the same time. But that's his whole pivot too. And to see you doing the same thing but in book form is fucking tell me about this your drink. Tell me about it. Yeah. So this I founded this we started four years ago and launched it three years ago. I see that you're a fan of cold frosty beverages. So I'll be able to turn you into an acolyte very soon. I also have my own energy drink. He really ash along. Oh cool. Yeah. So I have a I have ash along energy drink. So it's cool. I feel like we're all we're all copying each other. That's true. Yeah. So we launched this three years ago. We have just completed our series A, which is very exciting. So that'll get announced pretty soon. And yeah, we've been working on this hot. So it's in Australia. We're going in 7/11 and ready. Mart in Australia. I hope I haven't got that wrong. We're in Sainsbury's. We're currently the like best selling drink on the mealdeal side behind Red Bull in all of Sainsbury's at the moment. We're about to go into a ton of retail. I mean, you know this isn't isn't it weird how like predefined the route of a beverage has to go business model why it's crazy. It's like the most formulaic thing that yeah, it's like I've done a lot of businesses. This is by far the most like no, this is the trail you have to go on. There is no other way. Yeah. No, before you go there, you have to go to Kayhee and you have to go to Kroger. And you can get into HB, but the only way you can get is by going through central market. And once you perform the central market for whatever it is, rate of sale needs to be four per skew per store per week. And then once we've hit that, if you can get yourself up to seven, then we can unlock these next few stores and then from there, you get ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. It's actually for someone like if you've just got that like a, you know, a dash of autism, it's the right process because you go, okay, why understand? If you give me a spreadsheet, I can work my way through the projections for this. I know when I'm going to run out with money, I know when I need to get a new injection of cash, I know what my burn rate is, I know all the rest of the sudden, it's like a video game as far as like this is the objective. You need four of these things to continue. And then you like, yeah, so like right now we just got into, we just got into specialty. So we're in vitamin shop right now. So like that's what we're at with it. And yeah, so that you're a little bit further down that path than us, but even so far, it's been like, I've had it explained to me and I've looked at it. It's like this is very much like it's this is the only way you're on a set of train tracks and you know, product market fit is kind of a very sexy word that gets used a lot in everything. But I really do think, especially with the world of energy, generally at the moment, smarter energy, which works halfway between like functional and energy, which is good because it means that we can, when we want to play in a relatively small pond we can, and when we want to play in a big pond we can as well, we can get putnecks, a red ball, if needs be, but we can also get put on something that's more functional like, well, I'm going to eat Ken Kardashian's lunch with update. Like we're about to go in, we're about to sit next to her in a bunch of shells and we're going to eat her alive. There's a bunch of other products that are great but different in terms of functionality and offering and stuff like that and taste. But if you've got the right product market fit and you can hit the right price point, it is just, okay, you start to pull more like gas into the top of the tank and out the bottom creates growth. And then you just make sure that you don't fuck it. Like if you, it is yours to lose. So it's a really interesting, really interesting like industry to be in and it's sick. I'll have to, I want to be on rotation for your thing. You've seen in there, we've got like everything we've got blue energy, we've got jock up stuff, we've got all the funy tonics. I'll send you, I'll send you some of our new one. We're the first energy drink that I'm aware of to putzynamite in an energy drink.zynamine is whatzynamite is built off the backup, right? Sozynam, that's the equivalent of going parasanthene and adding that into it. So we lucked at Zynamine as part of the literature review for this. tell me about it. Basically, we collabed with my friend, PewView, who I don't know if you're seeing him. He's probably the best trick shot guy with guns right now. So he can, he can, you can pull out videos that shorts of him. He can take his wedding ring and throw it in the air and then shoot a bullet through the wedding ring. He's got like a big ultra high speed camera. Okay. If you look at PewView wedding ring, it'll pop right up. PewView. Yeah. But crazy is the trick shot I've ever seen in my life. Anyways, we worked with him. He takes Zinamite supplement. It's apparently what they give like fighter pilots before missions like extreme focus. So he's been taking it for a while and he has actually done like his own research, whatever. He's done his split times, see how fast you can pull the trigger, how fast you can hit targets, reaction times, all that stuff because he's doing, you know, a tenth of a second to him's a big deal. What's he shooting? It's a Terrent Tactical. Dude, each shit. He does that stuff on the first try. He's crazy. First time I ever met him, he lives like 30 minutes from me. So we're like the, there's like four YouTubers in Iowa. So like we've gotten a hold down. He's like, come out and film with me. I'm into guns too. Okay. I had no idea what I was getting into. I thought it was going to be a total dude perfect situation like I'm going to sit out here for eight hours. Well, this asshole tries to shoot through a wedding ring. Not the case. He's a freak of nature. I've never seen any background. He's a farm kid that grew up in Iowa and he. Dad gave him money for bullets. He's been shooting 10,000 rounds a month since he was like 11. No military. No military training. Nothing. Heavy equipment operator till he started doing YouTube full-time. Absolutely create. Dude shoots insane. First time I met him, there's like a white fold-out table in front of us with all the guns and like 15 yards down range as it targets. I'm standing at the white table. He's standing next to me and he's like, all right, pull your concealed carry out and shoot at a target. I'm like, okay, Ting, shoot at the target. He goes, okay, shoot at the same target in the same spot. I had no idea what the fuck he was doing. I go, okay. He wanted to see where my brass was ejecting. I fire again. He steps back, kicks my brass into the air, waits for my brass to arc downward so the bullet doesn't shoot over the berm and then once it's low enough that the bullet will go into the berm fires and shoots my brass in mid-air. On the first try, unprompted. What the fuck? Dude perfect. Bro, it's the most insane shit I've ever seen in my life. First try. Is he doing it? Is he shooting competitively as well? No, he just doesn't care to shoot competitively. Just wants to do tricks. Yeah, cool. He wants to make it fun. He entertained. The dude is obsessed with guns and then he'll go out and shoot guns for eight hours a day and film it because it's his full-time job and then he'll go home and to decompress. He's ungodly good Call of Duty shooting digital fucking guns. Okay. Yeah. Well, look, if he can't, if it's too late to shoot, you might as well just do it in virtual reality, I guess. Can you, can you look up Zinemite for me and Zinemite? Oh, yeah, but sorry. So he's been taking it for years for his reaction time. Yeah. So we did a collaboration with him for his favorite flavor. Like an LCO custom drop. Yeah, that's why we put it in there for him. But you put it in. Okay. Zinemite. It might be Zinemite. Zinemite might be the commercialized one because I know it just became water soluble and that's why we were finally able to spend it. Yeah. So that's why we were actually able to pull it off and put it in a drink without it all just getting granular and floating to the bottom. Interesting. Yeah, well, I mean, the problem that we have with this is there's fucking Panax Gin sang in rodeola in there and they are active compounds, right? Like they're fucking adapted. They're from a herb. They're from a shrub. So you put that in and if this season had more sun on it, then the entire like the actives can increase more and you go, okay, so we now in order to hit what we say is dosages and to keep the bitterness profile. They say it's a fucking nightmare. But the Zinemite stuff was the active version of that previously. It's like cognizant. Cognizant is an activated alpha GPC alpha GPCs like the classic version of that cognizant, which is what we've got half a gram of them there is. Ever since I got into like the energy drinks in different businesses, I do, I basically do fat electrician videos, but I do them on businesses too on my other channel. It's called fat files. Some of the product history is insane. Like launchables, absolutely wild. Why? What's the story behind launchables? I didn't realize there was a law. Launchables is genius, right? Think about launchables from marketing perspective, right? They're not putting the sandwiches together at the factory. You're putting the sandwiches together at the factory. And then you're paying extra because the kids have fun doing it. They basically Tom Sawyer-Jerass and the paint in the fence forum. It's called the Ikea effect. Is that what it is? The psychological bias is referred to. The difference between pick your own strawberries and cheap strawberries. Pick your own strawberries sounds like an experience and you love things that have had effort applied to them in a greater way. So yeah, okay, that makes sense with launchables. That's why I started looking into it. You know who fucking came up with the marketing for, give it a guess. The launchables? Yeah. How old are they? Started in 83, 84 I think. Don't tell me it's like the cigarette fucking in. Fill up more. Come on. It's always them. Why is it always them? Bro, it's dude. They're the reason. My theory is they're the reason the obesity epidemic started. Yeah, process foods. Well, they so they bought lunch. They were buying all kinds of stuff. So as RG Reynolds started it in the 60s. Basically, once people were figuring out the cigarettes are bad for you, they diversified into the food market. So the first product I was able to track down that they did this with was RJ R.J. Reynolds bought Hawaiian Pacific Fruit Company. Hawaiian Pacific Fruit Company is a company that makes Hawaiian Fruit Punch. Okay. Hawaiian Fruit Punch at that point in time was a cocktail mixer and then they remarketed it as a kids as a kids fruit juice. So they were buying into all these companies and they bought Oscar Meyer got bought out by Kraft and then Kraft got bought out by Philip Morris. And they were in product development for Lunchables and the working theory for Lunchables at the time was it's quick and easy. So a working parent can grab it, throw it in the lunch box and take it to work. And they said, nah, not bro. Kids. This is for kids. And then the way they went through the marketing for it is G, because they have all this consumer data from decades of getting people to smoke. They know what people want. Right? So when a mom is the issue with marketing to kids is kids aren't buyers. So it's like with the one product industry where there's a goalie in between. So you have to convince the buyer that the end user that they want it, but you also have to convince the goalie in the middle mom and dad that they should buy it for them. So you got to convince them it's good for them. So when a mom is looking at food, Philip Morris realized moms want to give their kids fresh, healthy stuff. How do you portray the image of being fresh and healthy? You put it in clear wrapping like they just picked it up from the deli. And that's why Lunchables have the clear and they have the cutouts so you can see the ingredients through the thing. And then they made it look like a school lunch tray to portray the image of being a full meal. Yep. Yep. Look at how complete this is. Exactly. You can see the meat, the cheese, the grain. Oh, that's like half the, that's like half the my food pyramid, hawking to some Lunchables right now. Yeah. And so yeah, all this marketing just went into like convincing mom that it was good for the kids and to buy it. So then they also used what's the term? Reputation laundering, I think is the term. So because they owned craft, they owned all, it's a massive food conglomerate. They owned all these brands, right? So then when they like unveil the pizza Lunchable, they're going to put branded tombstone pizza sauce with it because mom has already given the kids tombstone pizza. This is just a tombstone pizza. They can dole for themselves. This is what Ryan and the guys from Ghost are able to do because they're owned by Kegic, Dr. Pepper. So they can do an A&W root beer collab. They can do a sprite flavor. They've got Oreos and like Reese's pieces in that protein powder, that repinate at the moment because they've got access to this big body of inventory and good will that's now being used in a slightly different market than like no one's making a caffeinated version of seven up in any case. So it's like, well, just you have to caffeine thing. We'll make this flavor, this brand in this new delivery format. So then yeah, so they do reputational laundry. That leads to Lunchables, but then I started looking into all the other stuff that cigarette companies basically can see why the conspiracy rabbit hole has been one that you've tumbled down about two times. Yeah, well then it's like Teddy grams. What's that? It's a it's a little tiny cookie that looks like a teddy bear. Okay. Teddy grams developed under I believe RJ Reynolds did Teddy grams. So Teddy grams, what's healthier? What's the health healthy version of a cookie? Like a granola bug? A cracker. Yeah, right. So Teddy grams are designed to be cookies, taste like cookies. They're designed to look like crackers, but then the kids won't want to eat them. So how do you convince a kid that eating crackers is as fun as eating a cookie? Make it into a teddy bear. Make it look like a teddy bear. They're the ones that came up with lifesavers. They when they lifesavers was the meant brand, the little circular mints, like polos. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So we call them lifesavers and Basically they had already owned those what kids don't like men's cuz they're spicy Yep, so they came up with gummy lifesavers the little gummy versions like and they they came up with all these different food Like processed food products. They were just like specifically designed to target kids And then I found a study from I think 91 That or no that that studies from 2003 that basically Showed that during the time period where RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris owned these huge food conglomerates the process food that they were Manufacturing was 80% more likely to be hyper palatable Which is like the scientific Right ratio of salt to carbs or salt to fat to make it so you can just sit there and eat the whole box So they like basically used all their flavor engineering and everything to just make food that you just could not stop eating Have you seen if you ever seen one hunter gatherer tribes are given cheesecake for the first time no, but I would Can I might be able to find it? It was a bit of a niche video and Cheesecake I think is From a flavor design perspective if you're on the sweet side of the spectrum I think on the savory side of the spectrum probably french fries Well on the sweet side of the spectrum fat carbs and then I learned about this stuff called Notification so that's the design of the texture of food so Ancestral it's very novel to have multiple textures within the same food stuff is slimy or it's crunchy or it's whatever But if you think about Oreos, right? You have both sort of smooth soft fluffy with crunchy The same thing is true of french fries, right when it well done nicely done french fries the same thing is also true of Cheesecake and you have all of the different flavor recipes like okay human psych sugar Well, why is it that I don't just like want to take a spoonful of sugar and put it in my mouth Why is that not? Interesting to me humans like fat. Okay. Well, why don't I just like Pour olive oil in my mouth or something It's like well, no, it's like in specific combinations with specific kind of Packaging and flavorings and textures as well and yeah, when you think about like even with fucking lunchables, dude Like you've got crunchy wafers whatever the whatever that cracker thing is on the outside and then you've got the smooth on the inside And you got something that's a bit more satisfying and chewy in the meat Tribal people try Brow brow It's not all doing Bro if you put cheesecake in front of me I'm not thinking about any this is shows that he hasn't ever had it before because he's not thinking about doing anything else You know what this remind you know what this reminds me of have you ever seen the videos of the The people that worship American GIs Worship like like deities. Yes. No. Oh my god. Pull this up So during world war two there was like obviously American forces came in contact with like isolated tribes on islands in different places Okay, there's some of these tribes are still around today and they literally worship a Deity that was the American paratrooper and they like dress up and try to look like American paratroopers because like to them at the time They were tribes people living in the stone age and some do parachute it out of the fucking sky with a magical wand This big that could blow a hole in a water buffalo from a mile away and there's all kinds of footage and like there's been people that have tried to like reach out and be like hey This is what was going on, but because it's 40 years removed and all the people that were firsthand witnesses are Now deceased we can't convince you we can't convince you that it what that's what this was Well, I mean if you imagine if you tried to do that to people with religion nowadays speaking of the Philip Morris thing So this is an interesting Pivot that we're doing at the moment. So we're doing focus pouches which which are nicotine free So cognizant which you'll know is Cytocole 50 milligrams of of caffeine full spectrum be vitamins all the rest of the stuff What's really fascinating about that is the focus pouches that we've gone for they sit Basically what I've realized this wasn't the intention. It sounds like much more of a genius thing before I actually sing in retrospect A lot of people now have got really hardcore on using nicotine especially in pouches But a lot of people feel a little bit bad about maybe what their usage is So we are now with those Slip streaming behind a new delivery mechanism that people some people want to dilute down some people just want to use the focus pouches They're good. It's an easy way then to drink. It's easy to carry can take it on a plane You can do whatever but a lot of people like fuck man I probably should just push the brakes a little bit on the zins or the Alps or the whatever like Lucy's or whatever I'm using. So I'm gonna go like I'm gonna alternate between Something that is like a better for you pouch and something that is you know really what I'm sort of clamoring for Which is a nicotine and people are titrating themselves down So that's been something else which is interesting to think about from like a cognitive health perspective Yeah, I just I saw I saw another brand doing something same concept except their thing was you you bought it and it was like a kit And it had like I don't know if it was like 10 or 20 cans But it basically started out at like six milligrams nicotine just like everything else Okay, and then like all right here's your two cans of sixes and then your next two cans are like five And then the next two cans are four and then the next two cans are three and it basically like works you down Tell your down to just the blank ones that have this type of stuff in it well after the fact and then you just stay using that No, hilarious the oral fixation whatever else speaking of that the phillips phillip marises of the world The guys have been on a fuck ton of calls with them because they're now looking at okay Like where is legislation going to come to what can we do that is better for you and there's a bit of me That's like fuck like these guys know what they're doing and it's sick to be in conversations with people that understand human nature Maybe better than any you're the hot girl think and you can change the bad boy right now that's what you are I can fix it I can fix it. I can fix it. I can fix it. Watch me phillip marises. I can make them good for everybody. Come on I can do it dude you fucking rule like all of this stuff's great. The book's fantastic. I think your YouTube channel is just Fantastic as well. Where should people go to check out everything? Yeah, YouTube fat electrician you go go to pops up every fat electrician on all my socials and yeah And what's the one about business? Uh, that one's called the fat files. Yeah, so you're not fat It's a long story. Where you was originally a joke to my wife My my whole content story started because I tore my pack. Okay, and uh was off work in a sling And my wife finally bullied me into making a tiktok account and you have to have a username Just so I could watch the tiktok she'd send me So I just said the fat electrician as a joke to my wife because I can't work out. I'm gonna get fat now And then I got a wild hair at my ass my first tiktok I ever made got 12.5 million views and now I'm here You've got to be careful what you register social media. It could have been so much worse I know a name brand scheme of things something that can go on the front of a children's book It really could have been it could have been way worse. Yeah Dude, you're the best. I appreciate you so much All right, goodbye my beauties. Until next time. Goodbye dude. Yes