Forgotten Languages Blog | The Internet's Deepest Rabbit Hole: Alien Technology, Cryptic Languages, & Secret Societies

In 2009, a mysterious website was launched featuring cryptic new languages that only the admin could understand. Since then, the contributors to the site have grown to 43 people who have collectively posted almost every day for 17 years. Each post in one of several dozen unknown languages about topics ranging from quantum physics to dreams to alien technology and beyond. So what is this website for? Who's behind it? And what does it all mean? Today, we dive down the rabbit hole of the forgotten languages blog. This is Redweb. Welcome back, Task Force Boy. We got a doozy for you today. I am your resident mystery enthusiast Trevor Collins and joining me hearing this case for the very first time Alfredo Diaz. This feels like a throwback. I am very in right now. I'm plugged in. There's a site created and it's got languages, but only the admin understands the language, which already why create the site? I don't know. You know what I mean? If you're the only one who understands it. Great question. Put that one down. Question one. And then now there's 43 people. Yeah. How they get access. Uh huh. How do they understand the language? How do they write? Yep. And then now they seem like both scientists. And now they're rippling from mind to toe. Yeah, dude. Just like it's a wild trick. It's wild, but also I don't know is are these a bunch of people that are just seeing past the veil. These are a bunch of people with different experiences like weird experiences that are all coming to get. I don't know. How do you get vetted for this? Like I want to see like a documentary on that, like trying to get vetted into this group because what is this group like what do you mean? It just riddled with questions and honestly task force. This is very much a throwback. I know a lot of people have wanted us to revisit internet mysteries and things. And I can't believe we haven't done this one earlier. This reminds me so much all the way back to episode one, Lake City Quiet Pills episode I think two and three, cicada three, three, zero one of when it's manuscript, we talked about that. It is so cryptic, so mysterious. And I think it's so daunting. That's why it's just sat in our notes page for so long, forgotten languages, blog. We'll check that out someday. I didn't realize how deep this rabbit hole goes. It essentially attaches to almost every topic we've talked about. You know, we uncover true crime, internet mysteries, the unknown, the gambit. And this one touches into a lot of the unknown and the paranormal, supernatural kind of world. It is, it's very interesting. But we will explore every nook and cranny when we get to the theories because you are right Fredo. It is a mind-melter of questions from top to bottom. And no matter how you approach it, all the theories do kind of make sense. We're back in the saddle of those early days where I actually find this very interesting. When I first took you through those, Fredo, you had no idea where I was going to take you on this ride called Redweb. Now it's been six years. You've been Miyagi to ask these questions to poke and prod and try to think about it. And so I'm very, it's almost like I plucked you at a time and took you back. And now we get to do an internet mystery through a different lens. I'm excited. Yeah. It's going to be very fun. I don't know. This seems like a maybe we're calling it ahead of time. It seems like a staple of an episode of the potentials there. It's been a long time since I've been up past midnight working on an outline. And the more I looked at this one and Kat did an amazing job laying the foundation, but the more I looked at this one, the more I just kept finding. I was looking at resources up until right before we recorded this. So in no way is it possible for me to uncover every nook and cranny. We might have to come back to this in a part two, but I'm going to be doing my best to be as exhaustive as possible to get everything broken down. So we're going to go through the website, what it is, a quick while thorough overview of what this website is, the origins, and then some of the topics that they explore because boy, do they cover a lot of different topics, talk about how people tried to kind of decode or demystify one of these dozens of unknown languages. And then of course, we're going to get into some of the popular topics discussed on this website as well as then, of course, the theories that attempt to answer what the heck is going on here. But before we dive into today's episode, Fredo, this is what's happening at redwebpod.com right now. Exclusives for you guys task force on Wednesday. We have a research outline coming out like we do every month on the dead internet theory Fredo. I feel like it is more appropriate than ever, the more bots and AI hit the internet. So I wanted to look back on our kind of mid run finale. This was our last rooster teeth episode. Yeah. It just seems kind of self-fulfilling at this point. Yeah. And weird to think that like maybe it's just bots talking to other bots. But here we are. This is the future that we're in. And so even more so than ever, I want to go out and touch grass. Yeah. Right. What started as a joke though became kind of a serious thing. And now it seems to be like you said, self-fulfilling and it's kind of relevant to today's episode. And then also on Friday, we just recorded this. It is the debrief of the West Virginia penitentiary ghost hunt. It's the first time I get to watch some of this because I didn't get to go this time. And dude, you guys, it was wild. There was so much going on. Dude, I don't think we oversold that at all. It's wild, you know. If your expectations are properly tempered, it's a very interesting interaction with just a standard ghost hunt, you know, guys going out there just trying to pick up a camera and talk to ghosts. Just getting after it, dude. I mean, the amount of sounds, the timestamps that you guys sent in that we looked at, there's a lot of things that we attempt to debunk. But man, it really was interesting. So if you want to check that out, it is available on our YouTube page, youtube.com/redwebpod. So that is available for everybody. But other than that, that's what's going on in this week. Let's get back to the episode. ForgottenLanguages.org is a mysterious online blog where members have posted over 10,000 articles on a nearly daily basis going all the way back to 2009. These posts include some or all of the following format. You'll have a title, a leading image, and then of course the written article featuring supporting images, paragraphs of text and a unknown language, plain English quotes, references or acronyms are sometimes sprinkled in there. And then of course at the bottom of that, you have the bibliography where they cite sources in plain English, including classified documents at times. And often you'll also see references back to their own website, older posts in the format of FL and then six numbers. It's usually a date. These posts feature an enormous array of topics including linguistics, religion, computer science, quantum physics, theoretical technology, dreams, alchemy, anti-language, and many, many more topics on esoteric ideas like alien races, alien technology. I think vampires has been mentioned at least once. You have UFOs, USOs, and then I heard of this recently, the idea of chemo linguistics which seems to be the idea that language can manipulate biology. This is an interesting idea. I've seen this throughout the discussion around this that language shapes your world view. It reminds me of the movie arrival, but that language can change not only how you express yourself, but certain phrases or certain expressions or certain feelings might almost be locked behind certain languages because those languages are a product of the culture of that people's and so it's an interesting conversation to be sure. However, as you know now, what makes this blog unique is that the overwhelming majority of the articles are published in what are known as conlangs or constructed languages. We'll talk about this, there's a little bit of debate here as to if these are conlangs, but constructed languages are languages that are created by a person or group of people for a specific purpose. This is different from natural languages that most people use today, which were created organically and evolved over time through a lot of complex human interaction, where you and I might come up with lingoes and phrases and what have you. Some have also noted that the intended use of conlangs often times is to keep people out, allowing only a select few of people to understand what the language is saying. That's when you start to get into what's called like a crypto-lang or crypto-lect or an anti-language. Forgive me, I don't know the nuances between each of those, but basically a language known by a few developed intentionally to kind of keep people out. That's kind of a crypto-lect. I think an anti-language is something that passively comes up to carve people out of the know. That just seems like a lot of work. It's a lot of work. You're making a whole new language and someone else has to learn a whole new language. The buy-in is very high. The commitment to our massive, like what do we, damn, like what do we try to, government secrets? They don't even have their own language. All right, they're posting those in plain 10. Like, damn, like what do you got going on that need to be sealed away so heavily? I know. To join this group, you got to learn 40 plus languages. I feel like to join, to join a cult down the street, I kind of just push my thumb against a needle and then sign in blood and maybe put my name down and of course donate and attend the meetings on Thursdays. But I mean, that's it. I don't got to learn nothing. I'm also just like, man, if I was the government, I just, you know, yeah, you have the money and everything like that. I'll just be like, let me take one of the new recruits and just be like, just your job is infiltrating. See what's going on there? Just see what's going on over there. Oh, you gotta believe that exists. Spend a year. Uh-huh. Just look around. Look around. Yeah, after it. Yeah, there's a department at the CIA just called the Get After It department. The G.A.I. And they just go for it, you know, they're just brute forcing their way, trying to get in all sorts of cults and groups and secret societies. Yeah, it's just, it's literally just a receipt. You receive a Manila envelope that says get a green section. Go on. Get after it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you open up. It's what you're getting after. It's like, okay, forgotten language is dang it. I couldn't do Spanish in middle school. And now I got to do this. That's yeah, I'd be like, I'll be honest. Sir, I'm not the person for this. Get after it. Let's just go ahead and, you know, run that somewhere else. Send that down. Send it down the line. I'll get after something else. You know, I'll take the G.A.I.E. Okay. So it is very interesting. I'm going to start getting into some specific examples soon. I'll give you some screenshots from the website. So you can really get a visual afraid of what we're talking about here. But staying high level, you know, this does remind me of Lake City Quiet Pills. A similar goal achieved through cryptography. In which case it is technically different. It's not a different language. It's a cipher. But it's the very first episode we talked about. It's an internet mystery where a group of people were talking on the back end of a website. Talking in plain English. And when people stumbled into this, they started going, oh, hey, they were sharing what they were reading about this. It seemed to be like a party was being planned. But then as soon as that hit Reddit and 4chan and other places, that language shifted into a cipher and started to become encrypted. And so that's a good example, though using a cipher of kind of obfuscating what the reality is. Kind of keeping people out. That would be more of a crypto language there. But ultimately conlangs are different from something like slang. They are fully formed languages. And they have their own grammatical structures, their own grammatical rules. Very, very famously J.R.R. Tolkien. Love when I can bring them in. Elvish is one such language. So organically got to drop that one in there. Trekkies out there, you know, we've got Klingon. People actually like you can learn these languages. You don't have to. You don't have every word under the sun, but you can certainly talk to people in these languages. Or theoretically, like I said, the Voynich manuscript. That was one of the theories is that this is a new and different language. And that's why that mysterious book filled with illustrations. Very flourishing lettering, but otherwise unknown language. That's one of the theories there. Now, briefly, they also have a YouTube channel where they feature cryptics, somewhat kind of trippy content, dovetailing in with their normal articles on the website. Now, this was primarily active from 2007 through 2018, I think, around April. Though when I went to look at it recently, and maybe it's good that we waited on this topic for so long because they just broke their silence, not even a year ago. November 7th, 2025, they posted another video. This one titled "A Wedding at the Last Forest." Now, I think it has a lot to do. You know, you could pick up trends and themes, of course, whether it be post-apocalyptic, climate change, new world order, energy. But this video seemingly was made with generative AI is what it looks like. It features a lot of strange images of people wearing gas masks, walking through wastelands and destitute forests, very, very strange visuals. You could expect a lot of that on that channel. That seems like a lot of fanfare, though, you know what I mean? A little bit of fanfare, yeah. Yeah, simply trying to fluff stuff up. Yeah. Now, thanks to speaking of videos, an incredible video that I haven't even finished yet. Again, it's just I've been constantly doing research and I stumbled into this redditor. Videoways5262, who was very active on the "Forgotten Languages" subreddit, which is a wonderful place. They're still pretty active, that community. They posted on their YouTube channel. I want to shout them out, "Sphere Jester." I was looking through this, and I also, from that video, learned that "Forgotten Languages" seemingly had a bookstore at some point, where I think it was tailored towards the wealthy, because these were like classified or rare books or what have you. But what's interesting is they have long since dropped the buy button off of that website, so you can't really buy anything. And anybody who's ever reached out to it, which comes back to the age-old question, would you reach out to him, Frato? Anyone who's ever reached out hasn't heard back from him. And so I don't know if that means it's just dead. I don't know if that means like, I know you're just looking for information about my website. You're not an actual buyer. I don't really know, but I love when you can get a little tactile with these things. It's got to be super vetted, right? I would imagine so, because they say if you're interested, reach out, ask questions. And I do know the admin of the website, we're about to talk about them in a second. They're very communicative. They've done interviews with people. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so it's interesting that this, again, I don't know much about it, but thank you to this, this redditor. I know a little bit, and it's interesting that people get ghosted on that. So maybe it's just not active, you know. Maybe they're just super selective. That could be it. It could be that too. I mean, like nowadays, everyone's got social media. You can easily look up some information on people and it's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Before you even beat them. You know, when you start emailing from, you know, Huck Johnson at GAE.gov. He's like, this is the Get After It community. I'm not responding to you, Huck. Yeah, that is a trap. That's trap right there. Thinking after what I got. Could you, I wonder if anyone from the FBI CIA or whatever other three-letter society has actually reached out to something like this, try to be undercover, but they're just using their bogstandard.gov email. Oh, you just like, whoops. We just go, oh, my bad. I mean, they're the GAE. They're not the top brass, you know. Right. They're just firing off. They're getting after it, dude. They just blanket emails getting after it. You know, it's a numbers game for them. That's what it is. It's a numbers game. It's a numbers game. I also recognize I'm probably worthy of the Get After It community because I've been saying GAE, I think it's spelled eat. Get After Eat. You know, E-E-T. Because that's, I mean, it's the GAE. And I'm a bucked that one up. Okay. 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But it is a very interesting website, extremely active and a lot of these articles seem to be almost like translated references. So it's other documents, other books, other poems, other articles, other scientific papers, kind of moved into one of these various unknown languages and then documented on this website. That's kind of what it is. It's not somebody kind of waxing poetic in their own words in a mysterious language. Got it. It's almost just documenting it through a code. Now, the site has been around for nearly 17 years and from the very beginning, it's grown from one person to maybe a few years after that somewhere like 13 or so and about five or six years of existing all the way to now where there are 43 contributors listed on the website, all of whom use pseudonym. You have people like Nida, Duanon, Iris, and each of them seemingly are designated as experts in their own area of knowledge. Then you have what I have in my notes is the founder of the blog. This was kind of hard to decipher if they were the founder, one of the co-founders, but they themselves kind of say, "I'm not too worried with who founded this." But they are certainly one of the most active and one of the most communicative of all of these contributors. And that would be an individual, also going by a pseudonym, Angel. So Angel is who we're going to talk about quite a bit. And they reportedly started forgotten languages as a forum, as a concept, on their personal blog, publishing their first article back in 2008. Now it's unclear what the website was or what was in that post on Angel's personal blog, because that personal website was reportedly shut down after the creation of forgotten language. And there exists no archive of that website. But if we go to forgotten languages, and we look back through the annals of time, much like any old school blog, you can kind of click on the side there, and you can go to the month and year, all the way back to the beginning. And so if you go there, you can go all the way back to July 3rd, 2005. There you'll find a simple post consisting of a header image, the same one that the website uses. And then you have three somewhat empty posts that weren't made until October of 2008, though these seemingly provide indexing and organizing structure, they don't really have much else themselves. And then on September 22nd, 2009, this seems to be when the website starts to wake up a little bit. This is when Angel posts the first image to the website. And then a few weeks later on November 29th, 2009, the first of the articles featuring the infamous cryptic language or one of the languages is published. And that's where I'm going to bring in our first image so you can finally get your eyes on one of these cryptic languages. As Dicks, Dicksler, Slaymler Grock. Mm-hmm. Okay. [laughs] Pits a hell just opened just like a quarter of the way somewhere. Yeah, just just a little bit. And I say, "You must have read from the book." It's not read. It's not only read the title of it. Mm-hmm. Not the two paragraphs. Got it. On Sunday, November 29th, 2009. Yeah. You'll see right below that the labels because they have tags for topics and things. Lad Cryptolect is the language used here. One of, like, and we'll talk about this. Cryptolect. Yeah. I think there's been estimated to be somewhere between 40 and 50 languages. I think the most recent number I saw was that there's 17 full and complete languages, which mean the rest are kind of partial languages that aren't fully kind of cooked, I guess. Mm-hmm. But yeah, you have some sort of a necronomicon here. So just be careful reading that out loud. But what's unclear is exactly how many unique languages. Like I said, there's somewhere between 40 and 50. You have things like Lad Cryptolect. And then I have another image for you here. I'm going to tell you what it's called and I'm going to let you react live. This language is called Cassini Discus. Oh, okay. It's just a bunch of, like, emotes. Like, a bit jewelry emotes. A bit jewelry emotes. Bro, it is. What the hell? Like the whole color scheme layout. It's very early internet vlog. Mm-hmm. The top says forgotten languages. And it's got all the different symbols and languages for gotten. It's very, like, 80s-dune-esque. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. I see that. In terms of just a visual. And again, it's just a bit jewelry. There's a language. I want to hold on to the idea of 80s-dune being part of the aesthetic here. Because that could lean into, like, whoever set this website up has a taste, has an aesthetic. Right. And they might hail from a certain time period. It could help us narrow in on maybe who these people are. Man, to take the time to learn all this is. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then why? Like, I'm already upset at the school system of teaching me cursive. I'm upset. The hell was I wasting my time learning cursive? You could have taught me plethora of things. Other things. Carpentry. I don't know. Basics. Welding. Well, anything that could have been of use on a daily basis. Is it a cursive? Yeah, you know what? Yeah, I think there's, like, there's so many household skills, whether it be electrical, or just, like, basic carpentry that we're working on your car. Yeah. I don't know. All change. Anything. Like, dang, man, you taught me cursive. What am I doing that for? What am I using that with now? I could read an old letter on Game of Thrones or something like that. Like, thanks. School systems. Fantastic. It's so-- It's so-- we could make a website where all we do is write in cursive. And then the youth this day goes, oh my god, it's a new language. It's a new way to ancient. We could talk right in front of them. They have no ideas. Sticulous, man. Okay. So, again, there are so many different languages. It was kind of hard to figure out what was a label for a topic and what was a language. But Cassini Discus, I've read that it's kind of a fourth-dimensional language. Honestly, I think it reads like a two-dimensional scan. So, I just gave you a 14-second video from the Forgotten Languages YouTube channel. If you want to take a listen to that, or at least visualize it. Because basically what's happening is there's a vertical bar that is scanning from left to right over this Cassini Discus. Because Cassini Discus is a bunch of rectangles, triangles, various symbols that look almost like runes. And they're not even like evenly spaced like normal English letters would be. They're kind of like some are small, some are big, some are unevenly spaced. They're differently spaced vertically as well as horizontally. And this video shows a line scanning over it from left to right, all top to bottom. And so it's almost like it uses only the X-axis to figure out what symbol goes next. No matter where it is on the Y-axis, if that makes sense. Yeah, so when it's scanning, is essentially reading it out? It's scanning it, and then it's kind of like each symbol has a note or a kind of sound to it. And then people have migrated that into spectrograms to figure out if there's like hidden languages or what have you. But honestly, the spectrogram just shows these symbols. This looks like the kind of complex Jewish that you would see in the background monitor of a Star Trek episode. Right. Like someone's just there pretending the type stuff in and the monitor, it's like red symbols. And then it's just like a line going through, like scanning through and then like, yes, I've hailed the photon cannons. It's like, alright, dude, hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. But you know what I mean? Yeah, it does feel like a motion graphic artist. This looks futuristic, splat, put that on the screen. Yeah. But anyway, as you were watching that, I was kind of vamping to describe what's happening to the task force. But ultimately, it's kind of confusing. It's almost like, you know, some languages read top to bottom, right to left. English reads left to right, top to bottom, as you go down the lines. This, almost like it's just one scan from left to right. And no matter where it is up and down, it's just whatever symbol comes next. So it becomes like this very two-dimensional grid of symbols to look at. Honestly, I feel like whoever looking at this, even if they know this language is chucking it into a translator and not actually reading it like this. But all this to say, some are very interesting looking like this. But most of the other languages that you're going to see on this website include various different alphabets. Whether it be the Latin alphabet, the Cyrillic alphabet, the, I don't know, like you'll just see a bunch of different familiar languages. Or familiar alphabets, but different languages. Now, adding to the cryptic nature of this website, the identities of the blog contributors are, as you know, protected an anonymous. First, they have pseudonyms. Second, you don't even know who they really are. Now, this does not stop them, however, from being open and receptive to questions about the blog. Specifically, Andrew themselves has been very responsive to email exchanges about the blog. Sometimes doing full-on interviews through the email. For example, on the website abovetopsecret.com, there was a username top dog 81 who published their interaction with Andrew. Real quick aside, I want to give some context for what abovetopsecret is because I feel like this is a task for staple. I had no idea what his website was, but if I did, I feel like I'd be interested. So it was founded in 1999. Abovetopsecret was essentially a very popular forum known mostly for all things paranormal and conspiracy theories, UFOs, secret government projects, things like that. We've explored some of these topics. And it wasn't uncommon for UFO and military footage to leak on this website long before they made it to the public and long before the military or the government would actually publicly acknowledge this footage, which gave it some credence, you know, some credit on the street. And the website also had its share of people being critical of this material because they wanted to actually analyze it, you know, debunking footage, not just taking everything at face value. Now long story short, eventually, after new leadership took over in 2022, the site shut down unexpectedly in the spring of 2025. So that's just some website history. But this is the context with which this post is being made. So top dog 81 wrote this, quote, I'm interested, please enlighten me. End quote. And to that angel response, and here's what they say, quote, forgotten languages organization is devoted to the study and research on language and linguistics, revolving around the node spaces V2.0 software, a complex system used to perform research on a variety of fields, such as natural language evolution, symbolic sequence processing, language obfuscation, hiding of natural language within natural language itself, characterization of language dynamics, language as a non-linear self-adapting system, and design of engineered languages, synthetic languages for defense and neuro linguistics research. End quote. Damn, I'm sitting here just like, this is way above my mind's bakery, dude, like, okay, yes, that's, that's wild. But I mean, there's, there's experts in languages, right? People that study hundreds of different languages, they have experts in these subcategories, ancient language, modern languages, non-fictional languages, things like that. And I love that. I love that you have these, these different studies, that's just such a whole deep rabbit hole of things to learn and do and see and study. And I say, and I go, why? But then again, I look at the nerd stuff that I like, and I'm always like, like, analyzing sheets and charts and numbers and data and all that kind of stuff for nerd things, right? Things that aren't real, made up little character from it and Pokemon as opposed to an actual thing, a real language or even a sublanguage or even something that's a made up language. Yeah, so that's interesting, the level of depth. Everyone's got a passion. Everyone's got an interest. Now I want to latch on this. I'm going to be a little cynical for five seconds here. Okay. I don't want to be that web blanket, but I want to be a little cynical because I've seen so much of this stuff and I love it so much. I got to be, you know, like the tough love in the room here because two reactions happen. When I read a paragraph like this, it's either expressive of somebody who very clearly knows a lot. And I think there's a lot of that here and you're impressed by the jargon, you're impressed by the listing of very deep and hard to understand concepts that all kind of merge and mesh together. And so it kind of gives the air of somebody who definitely knows what they're talking about. But then the cynic in me also, a lot of people glaze over when they see something like this. And so they just go, that person must know what they're talking about. They must be smart. And I want to believe that they are. I don't know who this person is. But there's many times also where my kind of like BS meter kind of goes off. I'm not saying it's here, but it makes me go, is this just kind of like a wall of jargon as a defense of like you don't know any of these things. Therefore, you kind of put up an impenetrable wall of critique or anti critique. Again, I'm being cynical. I don't know how I feel here because clearly there's something, something complex, even just to make up your own language, let alone 17 full languages, let alone 43 total partial languages. What have you? That's very impressive. No, that's a, that's a good point to sit there and just be like, this, this and that, that, that and this. It's just kind of reminds me the same way, like when you, you know, have a realtor and there's like, oh, let me check the comps. The language is me see that the comps aren't just like, oh, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, you do that. You crunch the comps, you know, calculate the comps and just like, then you realize what comps me is like, oh, there's the comparables between all the other things and similar houses, et cetera. And it's like, oh, it's just the jargon that they use. And it's like, okay, it's, you know, we're just, yeah, some, I mean, they, that totally could be this situation here where it's called, wow, that sounds ridiculous. That's cool. Okay. So I'm floating it to kind of make sure the task force thinks about that. I'm not trying to send to your thoughts on it because I do think that this person deeply knows about language. And I think there's such an expert that they kind of forget, you know, how to communicate to somebody that knows nothing about language. And so there feels like this giant gap where you're like, uh, language, obfuscation, characterization, language, dynamics. Okay. Self-adapting non-linear systems of coast syntax language got it. I know some of those words, right? Yeah. Yeah. I get behind some of that. Yeah. Those are words. Yeah. So, so you have that cynical kind of approach, but you also have the other side, which is like, many of these contributors truly do seem to know what they're talking about. And this is a common pattern. Sometimes their tone shifts to be much more cold, clinical and scholarly, depending on the nature of what they're talking about or groups that they mentioned. Other times, they seem to be a little bit more casual and off the cuff, more conversational. But a lot of the times it does feel pretty cold and clinical, so to speak, in this way. And so that kind of also offers, even though they're anonymous, an idea at the profile of the, the people that we're kind of looking at here. So after this kind of quote, angel explains that at its core, the system allows them to combine several natural languages to create a new language. This then is processed using additional programming languages to expose it to what they call language evolution artificially. So whereas English has constantly evolved over the centuries, and if I took you out of time and threw you 500, 800 years back, you probably wouldn't be able to understand the English that is being spoken. Very true. What's happening here is they're taking something like Welsh iterating on it, putting it through an artificial process, and this is why angel argues that this isn't a conline because it's got this artificial programming involved, and use that to kind of force it through evolution, and then you arrive at a language. Interesting the whole concept of like forcing a language through evolution, it's not something I'd ever think about, or it's never crossed my mind. But then again, if we look at our own language, it's been through evolution, right? We don't talk like the people do in the older days, you know, the times of castles and. Shake a spear? Shake a spear, you know what I mean? Like it's, yeah, someone's, you know, how many times I don't know if we make content here, or at a root of teeth, or both, where we've, you know, read Shakespearean language, and just, it's like, I don't know what the heck I just read, I don't know what you're taking to me, etc. Uh huh. Yeah. And then you know, it's like, yeah. And the language that we're talking today is forced to evolution. I mean, how, when people are like, oh, you know, damn, or chat, are we cooked or what? You take that back in time. People are like, what the hell would the chat, what does cooking have to do with this? Yeah. Are we making a meal? But that's evolution, or de-evolution. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But that's happening, right? Yes. So I just thought, wow. It's never thought about that. I just never thought like, evolution of languages, but I mean, yeah, no, it's definitely a thing. It's so there. The interesting thing is that, you know, the community of contributors then take these languages and then they apply them to kind of test them, the test, the performance of these languages by translating all of these well-known texts, these documents, these papers, these books, whatever, all onto this website, such as even like the Bible, to then fine tune the language, see how it's going to play out. Does this language work? Uh, can we fully refine it and rebuild it, uh, to be a full and complete language? What's interesting too is that I've seen throughout much of the conversation around Reddit and around this website is that, again, reading a lot of the quotes from Angel, it seems like language is centered to help people view the world. And there's a lot of open positing as to like, if you can control the language, you can control how people think, feel, you can kind of control reality. And so there's also conversations though about like, if you want to communicate with something that isn't human, you need to kind of get someone else's hands or something else's hands in play. Maybe that's what the artificial elements doing is so it's not stuck in the kind of human wavelength, you know, if you want to speak to in theory and alien or an animal of some kind, you need to force the language through hoops and barriers that are outside of the confines of our mind. And that's kind of what they're thinking about here. So maybe that is part of what's happening, little this a little that, you know, but ultimately going through this process confirms that all the contributors, including Andrew, are essentially the only people who know these languages. I imagine that whoever makes them, Andrew or one of the group probably has a translator on the back end. I don't know if they sit there and just become visually fluent in these or if they just copy paste these to kind of encrypt and decrypt, so to speak. But finally, Andrew notes that the engineered languages allow the use for quote, information sharing and human connection on a private basis end quote, and I think that's also essential to kind of my theory will end on my theory that tries to connect everything. I try to do the omni theory thing overall. Okay. Yeah. And the fact that they're sharing all. of this, whether it be esoteric or traditional knowledge, under the idea of doing it privately, that I think is the crux of the why. There are many answers for why, but I think that is important. So like I said, interestingly, Angel states that the languages are not conlangs, even though technically they qualify as a conlang on paper, and some believe Angel holds this viewpoint simply because these languages are going through some level of computer generation. And nowadays with all of this AI and large language models and what have you, it feels like bang, you do that, you know, the snap of your fingers, but understanding that this started back in 2009, I do think that there is some level of brilliance happening here to to even just shift a language into a new language is pretty intriguing. So moving into the topics, as previously mentioned, the website hosts a wide array of subject matter and discussions, and even though all the posts are in various unknown languages, some posts contain direct English quotes. This is super important because, and I don't want to lose you, I'm going to try to explain why and how these work, but by having these anchors, they're actually called stones, I'll talk about why, but having plain English phrases, references, acronyms, quotes in the middle of these otherwise gobbledygook articles, allows people to then have something to search. They can then go to Google and search those English quotes to figure out what the parent, what the initial resource was. So if you say like, we the people, et cetera, et cetera, you have now this phrase, we the people, and I can go to Google and say, okay, what famous document has we the people on it? Oh, boom, got it. And then you can use that to kind of try to reverse engineer this language, right? Yeah. So it essentially gives you like an entry point, right? Like a little, it gives you an entry point. It gives you an entry point. I'm a crack that you can use to pry open. Yeah. Take a look at this next image I have for you. This is just a random example of one of the many bibliographies or resources at the bottom of an article. What you'll notice is that the bibliography, you'll see their FL220620, that's a self-referential, that's what I was kind of talking about earlier, where forgotten languages references themselves. But everything else there is almost a normal, what is that MLA format kind of resource? It's in plain English. You see Dan J1980 and it talks about where they're referencing from. And so when you look at this and when you look at some of the English quotes kind of built into the articles, this has opened the door for some users who have begun to kind of decode fragments of these unknown languages. They would take the references here so they could kind of have a short list of where to look and then they could look within these references for specific quotes. So if they have an English phrase in the article, they can then go to one of these books and say, is this in there? And if it is, let's find everything outside of that around it and then hold that up to the article because again, these articles are just resources translated and then posted. They're not kind of like, you know what I mean? They're not like, someone's thoughts on a matter necessarily. Right. Yeah. I mean, it just creates a bunch of jumping off points. And so less secretive than I thought for some of this stuff, you know, was like, well, we're creating our whole language, but then you'll have specific words that are just in English. And it's like, okay, well, that kind of creates like, you know, it's like, it's had a jumping off point, a starting point for people to kind of, you know, deconstruct it and analyze it. Yeah. Yeah. And so that I want you to hold on to this idea that it isn't an impenetrable secret. It feels very secretive. It feels very mysterious, but there is a small sliver of a door. And that again, I think might be intentional that also plays into some of the theories. But ultimately, these, as I'm calling them anchor sentences, these English phrases, these quotes, what have you in the middle of these unknown language articles have been referred to as stones in reference to the Rosetta stone. This is an ancient stone from I want to say the second century, maybe older, forgive me, but ultimately in like the 1820s, you know, we knew ancient Greek and the Rosetta stone had ancient Greek on it, it also had ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics on it. And we didn't know how to read ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. And so we were able to brute force it because a scholar who knew ancient Greek could kind of compare the symbols to the ancient Greek and start to go, "Ah, there are patterns." The canary here means this word or the sun means this word. And from doing that repeatedly, they were able to reverse engineer hieroglyphics. So in the same way, you can do the same thing. Once you have that stone or that sentence in English, you can go to the reference and backtrack. I'll give you an example to really help. This is kind of like a little like hard to describe. No, but it's really cool though, I understand the overall concept of it, you know, and there's like everything is derived from something. I think very rarely you're going to have someone just completely sorry from scratch, right? And then building from there, if anything, it might be inspired, might not be by lettering, but it could be structure, it could be format, it could, you know, things like that. And then you can backtrack those things. Absolutely. Absolutely. You see the commas are still in place. You see the line breaks for the paragraphs, etc. I should have just read what I had here. In simple terms, I had, I scripted this out to help myself here. Stones are used to find the source text. Once the source text is found, you have the English text that you can hold up next to the unknown language. And then you can start to match grammatical patterns to figure out what the words translate to in the unknown language. Exactly what you're saying. You can look at the structure and start to pull it apart. So there is an amazing example that comes from a user called Kixaru, who posted an article about forgotten languages and decoding efforts on their blog called StrangeMinds.au. Now in this article, they detail how they were able to translate the forgotten languages article. And again, I don't know how to pronounce this, it's a, it's a unknown language, but it's titled filitha shwishay ilashim. Okay. Yeah. So go ahead and quote me on that. Take a look at this next image and we'll put it on screen for your task force. As I kind of walk you through this example, all right. So in the article featuring this unknown language, there is a portion of text that simply reads os teesh kanian shwishay jare 49.7 dash 22, ezek 25.12 dash 14 semicolon 35. What makes this kind of complicated is the fact that these are biblical references and they're abbreviated. And so it just makes it a difficult example, but basically you have unknown language. And then a Jeremiah and azekiel reference in the Bible. So using Google search, Kixaru was able to find what appeared to be an exact match for these Bible references in a book titled edam, Israel's brother and antagonist. Like I said, there's a lot of themes of religion and what have you on this website. The author was Bert Diko from this they could do exactly what we described. They took the original os teesh kanian shwishay plus the references to the Bible and then they translated it, which basically took the those words and it said the old cause of. And so that's just a very simple example. But after they verified their stone by matching it to grammatical patterns in the translation, they were then able to add these words to addiction area, essentially, for this particular language, this dialect. And by doing this over and over and over, users have been able to slowly reverse engineer some of these languages and create translators. Lad Cryptolect, which I showed you earlier, there is actually on lingojam.com, a translator that'll take you to and from this language into English. And so now if it's tagged Lad Cryptolect, you can essentially take it to this translator and actually read the source that they are archiving on their website. And then that gives you a way in so you can start to understand what they're talking about and maybe what this website's all about. Like again, the starting points and you can decode it and use things of the past to try and help. It's like, yeah, that's huge. And then from there, you can start deciphering it. You can make a like a little codex for it, a cipher and that just makes it even easier and you could crack just so cool. Absolutely. So like, especially since Jeremiah was abbreviated and Ezekiel was abbreviated, and again, this is just one specific reference. Sometimes it's a full paragraph, sometimes it's just one sentence, sometimes it's poetry. But when you have specific references like this, it makes it very easy to go, ah, thank you for not converting the reference into the other language. Now I have a way in the door. So again, people have been brute-forcing their way into these languages from this. Now also in their article, Kixaroo notes that some of the FL articles contain citations to confidential documents. I have an example of this in our next image, Frato, and I've got it highlighted in red there. All I'm an airport witness protection program. Mm-hmm. So it specifically says at the end of that, Wittseck 2014 B72-SVN09. Damn. Which is not a hyperlink. You can't click on it to go anywhere. But it kind of implies, and this is one of many examples, it kind of implies that whoever is writing this or whatever they are quoting from, are top secret documents or feature or reference. top secret documents. So it implies that somewhere behind the scenes someone knows something or has some sort of Access. Yeah, it's some kind of like reference to something. It's it's logged it. It's coded it and so I don't know It's it's kind of just like you got to just be in the know But then also kind of like you look at that and go okay, so fans off a lot of just the the casual people, right? Absolutely. It's like I don't it is what it is all right Yep, hold on to that nugget, too, because we're slowly building up all these little nuggets I think they're all important for the theories But also coming back to this image for just a second. This is a great example You know, I gave you a very sliver where it references Jeremiah or Ezekiel, but on here You see honestly the lion's share of the text on here is just quotes in English And so when you search this quote in its entirety and these words in this order You're going to find a very very specific source and from that you can attempt to reverse engineer what's being said in the unknown language, right now Ultimately, there are several internet sleuths actively trying to decode these articles and unlock the truth Whatever that truth may be our slash forgotten languages this subreddit I mentioned earlier is still relatively active and discussing things like this for example Every now and then there's a breakthrough every now and then one of the members of the community kind of sees something interesting and That's where this is so hard for me to co-late with cat because it almost takes at this point 17 years of articles It takes a hive mind people who have seen or been around this topic and been an expert on this I am by no means a full expert on this topic to understand what's under every stone and what stones to Unturn to attach them to every different idea So it's it truly is a red web a conspiracy board of Wild and interesting ideas. Yeah, which is fantastic. You just got a bunch of people in this virtual room essentially trying to make all these pins and connections And then taking a step back looking at the board again, someone walks up pins something to something else and goes, oh, okay Yeah, yes, yes, then they all go and they clap Soft claps to nothing. Yeah. Yeah, they're too excited. They know there's still deep in it, but they're getting after That's why I want to shout out that video I mentioned earlier on again because again that was a user from that reddit community and I haven't finished a video yet But they clearly are in tune with all the nuance and so again shout out to Sphere Jester if you want to take a look at their video after this. I highly recommend it. Okay, so in addition to traditional books and Confidential documents like I said they also reference themselves I'm not going to break this down any further the numbers are the day the month and the year those are the six numbers and The reason I wanted to bring this up one more time before going into the theories is that on a few interesting occasions You know you see them reference themselves you can click it It'll take you to the article on that date and so that's how we know it's a date But there was a couple of times where the date was kind of confusing at one point one of these references points to the year 1999 because the year is just filled in as nine nine So this would be long before the website was alive and maybe this implies that this was a project ongoing before This website existed. Maybe it was a personal project and a personal library or maybe a different website Well, never really know maybe and then in addition to that one of the reddit users pointed out that there is an FL article that points to An FL reference to the year 42 and so of course this could be 1942 This could be a top-secret document from that time or it could be the year 20 42 because ironically This particular article self-referenced is about time travel and so I don't know if that means that this is if it's serious And it's like no this article is about time travel and time travel is real Then I would love to dive deeper on that and learn some more about what they're talking about and why they're referencing this article as if it's like in the future But it also makes me wonder is this a deterrent or is this kind of some sort of I want to maybe say joke and if it is a joke If it is just some sort of how this will be funny if we it's time travel. So let's just note this as 42 it kind of undercuts to me The almost omnipresent serious tone everywhere else and it so it makes me kind of like Wonder about the true nature and the authenticity of what's happening. Yeah, because I mean again, it could just be for the fun of it, you know Yeah, and it could be and then you just are adding things like time travel Already without the language barrier and the shrouded mystery and everything like that just the word time travel your hesitant Right you don't I'm not gonna outright just believe it and then so now it's like okay I have to put in all this time and effort and work for something that is just made up or Just this rabbit hole that leads to nothing. Yeah, and so I don't know it's interesting And so there's a lot of people that go whoa that's mind-blowing, but I'm also like that's not proof of time travel But if you got it let me see yeah, I want to see the proof of the evidence the juice But if it's a joke why now and why here? Why so shrouded and everything like that too. You got to think about that Yeah, anyway, I thought that was interesting, and I did see that on one of the many Cacophony of Reddit posts. I had tumbled through just today, so I wanted to mention it now We're going to talk about one of the discussions that is common one of the themes that kind of overarches this Which broad strokes is aliens UFOs and UAPs? That is a very prominent topic And then on the back end we're gonna talk about who is Andrew and what is this website? Right, what are some of the theories? There are a lot, but we're gonna hit some of the big ones I've read about But one of the interesting over arching topics which I won't be able to do it justice again There are so many topics that honestly this gave me like five different other red web episode ideas Because I feel like forgotten languages is somehow the nexus point of this web of Mysteries and UFOs and secret government experiments some of which we covered some of which we haven't So it's it's hard to go into the weeds on some of these things But this one I thought was interesting from what decoders and various theorists have gathered There is a recurring themes throughout the FL post and that is the concept of two alien factions I don't know if I'm to pronounce these right, but you have the Danubeans and the Giseleans or maybe the Giseleans So what? Oh, alien factions and there's what fighting on a forum like well, maybe the earth is that forum You know, okay when the fleet floreps land on a glau's group and they stick their fingers in the thresher's Someone's gonna get goblorped, okay? Yeah, so write that down just jot that down. Yeah, I'm John it down Okay, I don't I'm too facetious here, but there's a Reddit user named UA perplexed who wrote about this discussion in the forgotten languages subreddit I've seen various many of their posts. They're very active and according to their FL articles the Danubeans are the group Responsible for encouraging earth to play a subservient role in the interstellar framework of society This very much plays into the grand theory that I've heard all over the place that earth is part of a Cosmic society, but we're just not allowed to know about it They haven't made contact with us or they have in the governments or like them have kept the kind of people from knowing And so this just kind of provides more color for that now It's unclear if there's any relation between these Danubians and Unfortunately talking about Star Trek franchise. You've got the fictional Danubians from Star Trek So some would say coincidence some would say that this proves that it's fiction Some would say that this is truth hiding in plain sight What better way to make you doubt reality than to take reality and sprinkle it into our fiction, right? I mean it could be a way to mask it for sure Yeah, and then you have the Giseleon's on the other hand who are written as the enemy in this relationship Supposedly they frequently visit earth to interfere with the planet's development and they are hostile to the Danubean interests The Giseleons are also confusingly an alien species mentioned in sci-fi internet lore So again things get a little blurry on is this leaked truth is this raw fiction or is there some truth here? I don't know now the name actually comes from a real location And I want to say this properly. I've seen Gisele. I've also seen Gisele But it is a small place in Iran It's important because this is where there was a UFO crash speculated to occur in 1976 This is also referenced as the 1976 to Ron UFO incident Additionally, FL notes that despite threats from the Giseleons the Danubeans have not intervened all that to say is there's a lot to be said about either Faction the video I referenced. I think Talks about this a little bit more but many of the now translated posts from FL Discuss the presence of the Giseleons throughout several concentrated UFO incidents around the 1976 incident Basically that the Ron incident was a moment where the local Air Force saw a UAP Something came down and landed. It was bright eminating light They thought it might have been a missile or a bomb, but it didn't blow up And so they approached it and it turns out that this was part of a greater string of other UAP phenomenon and incidents Where basically humans were making contact with the Giseleons or collecting Giseleon artifacts This is where once again, and confusingly, I've heard about the Cassini discus, not only as a language, but also as some sort of artifact or a location. I don't know. I haven't gone that deep on this yet, but it also goes on to talk about how the Mexican government around this time observed intelligent signals around the planet. And it seemed that they were talking to one another, almost ignoring the fact that humans were here. And they, this kind of has people openly theorizing that maybe these aliens, Giseleons, or what have you, have zero interest in humans, and that they've been here this whole time. They're talking to one another, and maybe that they're seeking something, et cetera. All while humans are simply doing their own thing, trying to recover lost aircraft, both on the surface and underwater. That's where we talk about usos. I know then that the website gets way deep into like orbs, and not like ghost orbs, but like these plasmoids, these like glowing balls of orbs in the sky. And what those are and how they exist, maybe we'll do a whole episode 'cause it's like, it's fascinating, but I'm looking for like that hard evidence, you know? - Right, yeah. - But it really starts to get, there's a lot of conversations, suffice to say, around this. And for theorists, this has raised questions about the hierarchies of any sort of potential cosmic or extraterrestrial space or community, as well as this quote, not interference doctrine, end quote, that might be governing said cosmic beings. So again, this is where you can really run with it. To me, it's either, we have to start with, is it or isn't it? Do they exist? Are they here or are they not? Because if you subscribe to the yes idea, which I would love for that, you know, caked up alien, come down, talk me up. Like if they come down, great, that's a starting point. 'Cause otherwise, there's almost an infinite array of theories on the other side of yes. What form they take, why they're here, when they came here, how long they've been here, all of that. So I don't wanna live too much in that world because it could go on forever. - Yeah, I mean, it's a complete rabbit hole. - It's a total rabbit hole. And there's like 15, I've dodged, just here. - I feel like you can just encompass everything. - Yes, yes. And I think that's the thing is like, forgotten languages is documenting all of these things through unknown and brand new languages. And so they become again, a nexus point for a lot of these conversations and they tap into so many different things. So I don't know if there's an underlying thesis behind the website or angle or if they're just trying to document all of it. But it is, it's interesting. If nothing else, I find it extremely fascinating. Before I move on, UAPerplex claims that these ideas are similar to abducted reports in classified military lore. However, they claim that FL's writings are different because they hint at genetic manipulation, dimensional limitations, and control systems embedded in humans. And again, this kind of comes back to the idea of language. How much it can or cannot control. I don't know if I put it in my notes, but there was some sort of idea basically about treating reality like dreams. When you wake up, the dream breaks. But when you're in the dream, you can control it. And there's discussion on this website about his reality like that. Can you control reality like you can a dream through language or what have you or technology? And can you break it and what causes it to break? Kind of just poses this existential question and then leaves it. Such a deep rabbit hole man. Dude, and that's why I was up so late. I was, it was a lot, but wildly fascinating. My mind's like, I'm just on the rails for this ride right now. Yeah, because like, what can't it span, right? It's just like you're taking a look and you're riddled. You're just like plagued with options, you know? It's like, we can go down this path. We can go into that time travel. It's like all encompassing, but nothing is proven. And so it's just still kind of just like, all right, I guess I'll just stay surface level because nothing, you know, I don't know. Or if you have something that speaks to you, then then you go down the path, but like, yeah, that's very interesting. And again, I think you stumbled into a nugget. I want you to hold on to put that in your little coin purse of knowledge and we'll bring out all those nuggets at the end because I think that there's a way to wrap it all together. I'm cooking over here. Now, understandably discussions such as this one and many of the other theories that I've seen out there lead people to ask the question or ask and wonder who the writers behind these narratives are, what they know or don't know is this real or is this theoretical or is it all fiction? This will set up some of the theories. But before we dive into the other angles on what the website itself is for, let's ask the, I think the proceeding question, which is, who is Andrew? Now, I know the community isn't interested in doxing anybody. I don't think we end up with an actual identity here, but interestingly, internet sleuths have, at one point or another gotten very, very close only for it to kind of vanish at the very almost finished line. I'll kind of walk you through it. - Okay, how about say how so? - Yeah. So given the history and the origins of the FL blog, it's clear that Andrew is the driving force. They post pretty much the most and from the beginning. And for years, many have wondered about their identity, how they and their entire FL team can access such classified documents and such rare books and what have you. Additionally, many of the writings and emails from Andrew, detailed topics that are incredibly complex and would require advanced knowledge of science and computer programming, or at least an advanced diploma in BSery. You know what I mean, just making it up. - Yeah, it's just like, man, you really took the time. You had a lot of free time. You took that time and just BS a lot of stuff. - Yeah, but it feels strong and if it feels cohesive enough, to honestly feel like this person knows at least a little bit if not fully what they're talking about. So in the early 2010s, Andrew was writing on linguistics message boards about the creation and purpose behind the FL blog. In their messaging, it's clear that they viewed language development and human interaction from a complex and mathematical standpoint, which again, already speaks of innate genius, I think, to kind of equate. There is a rhythm, especially to music, but to put that on language I think is wildly interesting. - Yeah. - But from this, it would greatly narrow the suspect pool as the person would have to have a very unique skillset, like Liam Neeson's featuring expertise in linguistics, advanced math, and physics. Then in 2016, there was an anonymous user on an archived four-chain discussion board on the four plebs forum that found a breakthrough. Essentially, a translator's profile was found online that listed two emails. One from a man named Ruben Cerdon and the other was Andrew at Domain.com. I'm not just gonna dox an email right here, but Andrew and their email was posted associated with a name. So, and this is listed, by the way, openly on the website as the contact email for the website. So it's available, but I won't say it. Now, the translator profile listed Cerdon as based out of Almiria, Spain. A beautiful little town. I went to Google Street View and it's like, right there near Gibraltar, just a very small malaria. However, more information would emerge after further investigation. It was found that he offered services, translating, get your pen and paper, Indonesian, Bosnian, Serbian, Macedonian, Croatian, Persian, and Bulgarian all into Spanish. The profile also listed that his topic areas of expertise were pen and paper. Computer systems, chemistry, biology, archaeology, military, physics, religion, and more. Now, this list is so comprehensive, it almost feels fake, but those are the main topics of discussion over on the forgotten languages blog. And so there seems immediately to be a huge overlap. Did this person accidentally play their hand and expose their real name to the question? Now, at the time of this first discovery, all that matched was the email and no actions came from it. That is, until his name circulated in the Spanish media four years later. This is in 2020 now. Sir Don is involved in a major archaeological scandal regarding the Iruña Valleas site in, I think it's northern Spain, so like the opposite side of the country. And archaeologists claim to have found a third century pottery fragment featuring the language Bosk inscripted onto this pottery. Now, this would have been a huge breakthrough because by my understanding, up until 2020, the earliest written version of Bosk that we had dated back to the 10th or 11th century. And so for it to be seen seven or 800 years earlier, is like, whoa, that's huge. - Right, yeah, time lines changes and things like that. - Totally. - A ripple effect of that is nuts. - Absolutely. So Sir Don's role was to create reports of verifying the credibility of this artifact, which were ultimately cutting to the chase, found to be forgeries. So he then, because of this archaeological forgery, was sentenced to one year and three months in prison as of June 10th, 2020, which would meant, you know, he'd be out of jail around October, September, 2021. Now, the reason I say that and the reason why this kind of vanishes up in smoke, maybe, is that there was a writer for medium named Sasha. She published an email exchange that she had had with Angel on March 3rd, 2021. Now, I looked at the article. I couldn't necessarily find when this correspondence happened. It's also not impossible that in prison, you know, Sirdon could have had access to email. I feel like that might be a little weird, but it's possible. But the fact that they were corresponding during Sirdon's jail time made some people to theorize that Angel might not have actually been Rubin Sirdon, because Sirdon was in prison when this correspondence was taking place via email. So maybe something else is at play? Hmm, we're proxy? No, I guess not. Try to figure out how he might have done it. Yeah, this is just what I'm trying to think. But I mean, you could have access to internet in prison? Yeah, I mean, especially since it was 2020 going into 21. Yeah, easily. Especially since you know, quarantine was going on strong then. And so again, I'm guessing here, but family members might not be able to come into visit as often. And so maybe there are more. They might have up the access on internet accessibility for sure. It's possible. So I'm just saying, you know, people have thrown it out, which makes sense. I understand why, but maybe it's still on the table. I don't know. Now with that, it kind of leads into this next opening, the unfurling of the theories. So given the complexities of the content and what has come out about Sirdon, some believe that it's not the community of writers at all that's putting all these articles together, especially now in the year of 2026. But maybe it's just AI. You know, I don't know how this answers for the year 2009. You know, it could speak to the brilliance of this individual that they were so early on that they were testing early versions of AI. You know, obviously someone had to come up with the idea. Someone had to crack the a true. And it could have been way before the times that we think it was, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, you know what? We talked about that in this show. Like, there's advanced technologies that militaries have access to that eventually we do as well. But they have had once we get it, they have had it for decades. That's true. That's a good point. If this person has access, oh, no, now I'm getting my tinfoil hat on. If they have access to confidential documents, could this be somebody who is in the get after headquarters? And they have access to early AI? Or maybe they're brilliant enough to develop those early AI systems. Who knows? Who knows? Now, there is a few reason for this beyond just the, oh, it would be easy to do it now. You just go to whoever.com and type it in and it generates it. Agnazium. But there are other reasons that people have pointed out throughout the years, even before LLMs were a big thing. It had been years of just daily posting. You know, now it's been almost 17 years and would say nearly 20 years of this kind of as an idea. But ultimately, there's no funding behind this whole thing. There's no ads. There's no sort of public financing backing any of this site. I mean, beyond the book selling that might have happened for however long. And to post this constantly, I mean, it feels like it's someone's life work. But now that they have 43 people and I think about it, you know, that's less, that's like a post every month and a half. Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know, it doesn't seem like it's grown enough to be profitable or something you can really monetize. Yeah. It's more along the lines of a passion project for me to be honest. Yeah, I can see that. I can see how AI would do it for sure. But I also, like we don't know how long this person was developing their language before the website was launched. And then if you're just kind of taking resources, translating them into your language, and then posting them, you can kind of do that really quickly. Even with a bot that's not AI, you could do that and then schedule them all to go out daily. I mean, at a certain point, once you've got the language done, it kind of comes quickly, right? Yeah, it's kind of like self-automated at that point. Yeah, I know I'm simplifying a lot, but it's just, I could see how it would be person, not AI here, but I could also see easily, you know, AI just seems like the, it's going to be forever more the easy could be AI. I mean, it's just the hand-wavy answer now. Yeah, we're just in that world now. Yeah, unfortunately, additionally, some have come forward claiming that they, they themselves were contributors of, or former contributors, I should say, but we're never really able to prove it, you know, you always have someone be like, I did it, I was there, but we don't know for sure, mostly this happens in discord communities that are related to the blog, so we don't know for a fact. Some have also noted that many of the email correspondences coming from Angel and other writers seem, I kind of mentioned this earlier, unnaturally rigid, almost artificial in the way it's written. I don't know how many M-dashes are in these emails, for example, but I think there are telltale signs of AI writing versus like someone who is just a little bit more like a graduate student or even like a graduate professor. You know, I've talked to them, they're going to be a little bit more, especially when you talk about their expertise, they're going to be very buttoned up. I will say that some of the people on that four plebs forum back in 2016, I think it was, they were like, quote, they talk as if they aren't human, end quote. And so you start to connect that with the idea, there's themes around super AI or like a self-aware quantum computing AI that can predict things and that maybe, you know, then this gets into fringe theories that maybe this is an I'll jump ahead here that is this a quantum computer that leapt onto the internet and is now doing its thing, trying to manipulate people by having kind of a headquarters online and not only predicting the future in text, but also like archiving everything in a crypto lang that we can't fully understand. You can go really far with it when you have so many question marks. But in the idea of it being fake though, I don't want to get away from this, a common answer to that is that this might be a larp or an ARG, right? True. There's a man at first, when I first introduced ARGs, I was like, this is so cool. It's, you know what I mean? It's so interactive, et cetera. And now I'm just like, man, now I've got a bunch of possible ARG options. But I don't want this to be interactive ARGs, you know what I mean? It's just one of them to be like real or not. Yes, you're so interesting and so intricate, I want you, I just want you to be something more. Now flying in the face of this, being an ARG is the fact that it isn't really funded. There's not a lot of like rules, you know, all ARGs don't necessarily need overt rules. They don't need to engage with a community. The fact that it's been going on for so long, you know, it does make it hard to believe it's an ARG, but also there are elements like the complex world building, the inner language, the fact that it's kind of a vacuum, it pulls you in and self filters you out if you're not interested. It could, it could be an ARG. But ultimately, this kind of broad theory says that it's not really a real thing that it's kind of fake in a way, that it's collating information to attract you in to kind of not really say anything necessarily. Now, this is where we get into, I kind of put a shotgun blast of theories starting from somewhere a little bit more grounded, moving into some wild, some wild areas. Okay, I'll just say that. And it's not by any means comprehensive. But per an interview with Angel, the original name of the website was lingua obliterata or baron languages. And they say that the move to the name forgotten languages represents their mission of the quote recovery of forgotten and suppressed knowledge and quote. And so with that in mind, maybe this website is a genuine research collective of people sharing ideas and studies behind a secretive language. So that way, it's kind of safe for whatever reason. It can kind of stay insular and it can be comprehensive, but it can't be like taken down or kind of like infiltrated. I don't know because there's that barrier, right? Yeah, but it's just to, you know, such high levels for something that could just be a passionate project, not lucrative or just kind of like a bit, you know? It could be a bit, that'd be a heck of a bit. I mean, is it kind of like a digital library of Alexandria? Are they really trying? Yes, I think the cryptic languages don't help the conversation here that that's a huge question. But if they're trying to co-late information from advanced science all the way to esoteric knowledge and alien theories, I don't know, like, are they just trying to take it all in? Another theory is that this is maybe a scouting program, very similar to cicada 3301 to discover skilled decoders and other linguists. Like, if you can break this down and figure out what we're talking about, maybe we'll reach out to you and bring you into this kind of, you become a contributor of your own. cicada was more puzzles and definitely more ARG coded to kind of get you to chase things down and go down the supposed rabbit hole, and then you would then after that point be given a test. Here, it's yet to be seen, you know, some people claim to have been part of this, but we don't know for a fact if this is what it's doing or not. Moving on, Angel has said something to the effect that languages shape our view of the world, and without certain languages, specific feelings, emotions, and expressions might be lost, essentially being locked behind languages that maybe no longer exist. So with that in mind, is the website's goal to shift or change how people feel, to change how people think, to rediscover new ways of expression through new inventive languages that might not otherwise exist? The idea is deeply explored in arrival. Once Amy Adams, right, who is that? Once she learns the language, she can essentially see time all at the same time, right? Time becomes a circle because of the nature of this alien language spoiler alert. And that I think is a fascinating idea. It does lie, you know, in the realm of sci-fi until it's otherwise proven. I think, you know, I saw people debating this on Reddit, and they had some interesting points both sides. As interesting as it is, I do think that there are patterns within language that I don't want to speak. out of turn here, but there are patterns within language that have been studied and it doesn't necessarily point to a shift in experience or a shift in perception, I'll say. But it is a very interesting theory. Some people have pointed to this as maybe a siop. And I've heard this a lot lately. You might have heard of it as psychological warfare. I'll quote Miriam Webster's dictionary here. They say it's either a military operation usually aimed at influencing the enemy's state of mind through non-combative means or more colloquially on the internet. Miriam Webster says someone or something used by the government to influence the population's opinions and attitudes. Doesn't have to be the government could be anything. Well, they're trying to influence you, though. Well, that's a great question. They are definitely getting people to think about UAPs. They're definitely getting people to think about the world structures in different ways in a way that's kind of like, you know, it's not left and right. It's top and bottom, you know, and like, how do we get people to change how they approach things? And maybe it's more complex than I can even like into it. If you look back on the way that, you know, the military historically has used psychological warfare on like even like the Philippines and things, you know, when you look back on it, you go, "Oh, that's what they were doing." That makes sense. Or even you think of like as techian death whistles, you know, you're blowing through these things and it sends out this like horrifying sound and the whole idea is to just get your enemy to feel off foot, just to feel terrified of this. You know, stories all this time. I don't know what the angle would be here. That's a great, great question. Do you have any thoughts on what that might be? I don't know. I don't know what the angle would be there. It could be to sell you an illusion, get you looking over here while reality robs you over here, you know what I mean? Yeah. Just a distraction. Or to get you into a hive mind, like a cult. Maybe more of a hive mind, but I don't know. It doesn't seem like entry is I know for like a hive mind, you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. All mues on that in my theory here in a second, but but now we start to get into a little bit more of the fancy full realm. I wasn't able to find this. I saw a predator mention how I think it was UA perplexes post had people responding to it. And one person mentioned dream simulators and then referenced a forechand post from 2014 and they kind of hand wave somebody and said, oh, there's screenshots around, you know, I don't I can't find the resources now. I couldn't find it for the life of me. But like all that to say, I want to bring back the idea that, you know, again, we get esoteric with this, but could this website be trying to understand reality and relate them to dreams and relate them to things like astral projection and a little bit more, again, esoteric ideas. Like, is there something to the soul and the spirit and is reality reflective of that? Can you control reality through language? Much like you can control dreams. And therefore, can you break it? That's kind of what I was again, it doesn't really have a theoretical angle, but it's it's this idea that reality isn't what it seems and it's maybe a little bit more fluid and flexible. Oh, you know what, that kind of reminds me, maybe the end goal of drawing people into this as a siop is that it makes you question reality, right? If you think that the truth is hidden from you, then you're not going to believe anything. And by not believing anything, you can actually be kind of ushered along, right? But if you think there is a greater power, there is a cosmic structure and and we are the slaves to the denibians, you start to get like, you know, you're five steps away from like proven ground. Maybe you can then be plastic and molded from there. I don't know. That's just such a like, such a complex gambit. Yeah. Okay, two more quick theories. I mentioned one of them earlier. Is this website a quantum computing AI that's predicting everything and potentially controlling time? That is something I've seen talked about. That is, I think a talking point in Westworld, a plot point at some point. The idea that once an AI can become sufficiently advanced, what's to stop them from essentially predicting all human behavior? And if you can do that, can you start to nudge people? You know, eagle eye style. You start to blackmail and probe at how you know people and you can then play the chess game in your head of quantum computing. I don't know if this website is that, but it is a scary idea. And then of course, you have, is this website run by ancient vampires? Okay. But the thing is, it's just so, it's so small and niche and so it's just so hard to think like with big scale theories. I think so. I think yeah. It's just the barren entry. So high. It's so small. So like very unadvertised. To me, it's either we, we are a collective few that have a hive mind and information that others don't. Or it's just something we do as a passion. And it's just this like, you know, we like this, we like this thing. And we just like do it. I think you're bang on the money. I don't think it needs to be some sort of like big overarching goal. Some sort of like, you know, when you start talking about secret government projects, UAPs, advanced science, mathematics, linguistics, some of those having a very firm foot in like well-known theory, some of them getting a little bit more fringe. Yeah. You kind of beg people to answer it with a big answer. And I don't, I don't think it needs it. I had to write this down to kind of simplify what I was thinking past midnight. And so hopefully this makes sense. But here's kind of my thoughts. I'm very curious. This kind of builds on what you just said. So given that many of these articles point to the understanding of linguistics, they talk about fractal patterns of languages themselves. I feel like some brilliant individual used complex phonetics and mathematical patterns to absolutely make a brand new language using normal base languages as a start. And then they use this website to mass record everything from esoteric ideas to advanced science to religion, etc. All with the goal of permanently documenting these without the risk of offending any authoritative body and getting shut down. Like if they for some reason, they were leaking classified documents. They didn't want their whole website to be nuked because some government saw their documents being leaked. And so maybe this could explain the cryptic nature of using these unknown languages. And it could explain the frequency of posting. It could explain the sources that have been cited, the reference to classified documents and the huge range of subjects. And by using crypto-lect and anti-language, not only are you practicing something that you're deeply passionate and skilled with, but you are also kind of encouraging people to persevere through this as a filter. And if you are a person who can persevere through this filter of the unknown languages, you are perhaps inherently much more open-minded to the ideas that you're going to find inside. And so I put it in brief to really help my sober minded like awake self. I said, in brief, a group of intelligent free thinkers, documenting ideas in a way that repels those who won't care and attracts those who may want to join them. I agree. That's what I think. That's what I think is going on. That's more in line of where I'm thinking, not ancient vampires. I mean, I've been hearing a lot about ancient vampires. And I'm not talking about Dracool. I'm not talking about that bald guy that slips into the room and sucks your neck. I'm talking about these hot shadow daddy-style Italian secret societies. I don't know what's going on, but there's something about vampires happening in recent years. Task Force, let me know if it works. Yeah, dude. But we've already been here for a while. This is probably now our longest episode. And it's well-deserved because this is like, you can see the cliffs that I approached and said, I'm not diving down that I can't right now. But if there's enough interest or you guys are interested enough, I would definitely love to do a deeper dive into some of the themes explored on this because there's more than just the Danibians and the Giuselleans or what have you. There are other themes explored, which opened doors to other theories and perhaps other full episodes of Red Wed. But whoa, Fredo, this has been my headhards. Forgotten languages of the blog. Damn, man, languages are just dense. It's dense stuff. It's dense, dude. But I also felt like we didn't necessarily get anywhere. I know, right? I feel like I got everywhere and nowhere at the same time. This episode's for the true internet conspiracy people. For sure. It is so dense and I feel like when you're quite cony-wear, but we're here now. We're here now and we might start living in it. It was not what I expected. I thought it was going to go so much deeper than it did. Yeah, I mean, honestly, there are corners where it goes extremely deep. I mean, true. But even then though, I'm very hesitant of those corners because I feel like as deep as they do go, what are we really going to, like what proof or evidence are we going to get out of it? The time travel aspect of it. I don't feel like that's going to lead anywhere. Right. And at that point, you're almost like you're way off away from the website itself. I had to force myself to come back. Come back to the website. You see all these breadcrumbs and maybe that's part of it. Maybe this is some sort of black hole of intrigue and that once you're in it, it just sucks you in and keeps you interested in, 'cause like it's posting way faster than you're gonna be able to decode it and understand it and chase it all down. But man, is it interesting? It's like, not everything do I fully subscribe to, but I'm open to, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - It's interesting. But yeah, this has been the Forgotten Languages blog. Task Force, the website exists for your perusement. As always, when there's an active community, it's been a long time since it's said this, but just be respectful as you go out there and engage with people. We're not trying to like poo-poo any sort of thing. If you're gonna fold into these communities and talk to them, you guys have always been great about it. But understand the rules of communities and rules of engagement and approach it with respect and try to have these dialogues, even if you disagree, approach it with a thoughtful mind in that regard. But as we come to an end, I wanna shout out to a few Task Force members over at redwebpod.com. Some of the people that keep this engine tickin' keep the lights on every single month. And, you know, with that, they get this podcast ad-free in a bunch of weekly exclusives just for them. You got Whist, I love this. Wilson Chinchilla as the newest member of the Task Force. - I was in a little Chinchilla. All right, give 'em a little dust bath. - Give 'em a little, oh, the dust bath. That's what that is. You know what? Get after it, remember number one. So get on that, you know, whatever it is. Well, we'll slide you that vanilla folder and you'll find out, you know, operation number 207. The buff scientists of the week, we have Dylan Kane and then of course, our squunks, Brett Omura, Zara Thustra, Andy Schrock, just a name if you thank you all so much for your continued support and Task Force. Let us know what you think. At the Discord channel available also at redwebpod.com because every single week we'd love to see your theories and this one is a doozy and also let us know if we should approach this again. There's comments wherever you listen to us, so we'll be seeing those. Oh, I feel like I can breathe now, Fredo. - That was dense. - That was dense. I was like, okay, that's one for the ages for sure. - One for the ages. All right, what would that said, Fredo? See you right back here next Monday. For yet another mystery. (upbeat music)