I launched this about 30 to 45 days ago, it's made over $3,000, just passively as a digital product. Are you a technical person by default? I would consider myself non-technical. I don't come from a technical background. So here's the Stripe dashboard, over three grand just from this Claude code skill stack. You took what you were already spending your time on and you monetized. Correct, exactly. Most people are still using Chatchy PT, Claude, or Gemini. I would highly encourage people to try Claude code or codex. It's not scary, it's not technical, like it sounds. All you have to do to do this is literally just pull up the clad app on your phone, voice transcribe, brain dump, all of your thoughts onto this and just say use the skill creator skill at the end. And whether you're a gardener, a marketer, or you work in nonprofits, nothing is exempt from selling your knowledge through skills. Oh man, my brain is just buzzing with ideas here. No one exempts from this, like my 10 year old could create a skill. It's kind of laughable how everyone always talks about the Apple App Store as if that's where all the money's made. But it's not. There's millions of apps that's crowded. What about the Shopify App Store? The Chrome Extension Store, WordPress plugins, Zoom apps, Notion templates, HubSpot Marketplace, on and on and on. What about Claude skills? Well, my guest today has made a living from building and selling Claude skills. How does he get all this information to make a Claude skill out of? He just makes a voice note about something he knows. And then with one property turns it into a skill and sells it. Thousands of dollars. And yes, if you can use JetGPT, you are technical enough to build a Claude skill. AI is the wild, wild West, baby. And if you don't have the technical chops to build an app like I don't, then build and sell some Claude skills because it is right for the pick and right now. Please enjoy. Hey, please just take half a second and hit subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening to this right now. It would really mean a lot. OK. Ryan, well, why don't you start by telling us who you are and what you do? Yeah, so I'm Ryan Dozer, AI Marketer, entrepreneur. I run a six-figure marketing agency by myself. OK. So how did you find your first client back in 2019? Yeah, he was a family friend. So he actually worked at the IOPGA and the golf business of all things. And he started doing his own thing on the side. And then it kind of worked as it came back around that he wanted to pick me up as the first client. And then it just kind of trickled from there. And what services did you perform for him and what did you charge? Yeah, SEO and content marketing services. So it's about 10 grand a month a little more. Oh, wow. OK. So you're helping him rank higher, helping his website rank higher, partially through fresh content, partially through other best practices. Yep, content updates, fresh content, news articles that tend to do very well in this niche and several other tactics. OK. So when did you first start playing around with AI? Yeah. So this would have been 2021. Jasper AI, formerly known as Jarvis AI. They were actually using GPT-2 under the hood. And I had no idea how this stuff worked at the time. Lo and behold, chat GPT comes around November of 2022. And that was kind of my light ball moment. Hey, if you want to be a competitive marketer, you have to adapt this and use this in your day-to-day. Because Jasper, they were like on the cutting edge of GPT. Right. Or chat GPT. And you-- I mean, most people had to go through Jasper to write blog articles with chat GPT, right? Yeah. And as far as I remember, Jasper grew like crazy because what they did was magical. Really, what OpenAI was doing was magical. But they put a front end user-friendly user interface on it that really only marketers like you and I even knew about or used, right? Yeah. Now there's a million Jasper's. And they were using GPT-2 at the time, which if we look back now, it's kind of laughable with GPT-5.5. But it was a revolutionary thing at the time. Yeah, it was. So you were seeing results for your clients using GPT-2? Yeah. I mean, back then, Google and all the other algorithms and whatnot being Google mostly. We didn't see really Claude or chat GPT obviously coming to mix yet. They weren't too honed on AI content back then because it wasn't such a big thing in their algorithm and all their search-radar guidelines and all the policies like it is today. But now, I mean, mass-generated AI Slop and SEO content factories that we see everywhere on the internet, they are heavily penalizing that area. OK. So let's fast forward to today. Why don't you explain to us where fifth graders, what a Claude skill is? Yeah. So a Claude skill is essentially an SOP or a standard operating procedure for AI. So the best practices that I use in a marketing setup is I have one Claude skill per marketing task. So I have an SEO blog post writer skill. I have an email newsletter writer skill. I also have a sales email skill. So if you have different types of-- I would say sub-tasks. I'd recommend getting very granular in that skill versus just having a giant skill that covers a very broad topic. So that's kind of a high level of how I would define it. OK. So let's simplify it down even more. So a Claude skill is basically a mini superpower that Claude uses to do more specific things for you. Exactly. Or a recipe if you want to tie it to a food analogy. OK. So if I have a website about woodworking that needs more content about woodworking, then I can use a specific Claude skill that will make an upload content for me to my websites about woodworking, right? Absolutely. And if we want to go granular, you can add MCP connections to WordPress. I'm going to show you an example of that later on. OK. And explain for those that don't know. MCPs. Model context protocol. It's just another way to integrate one service with an AI coding agent like Claude Codor Codex. All right. So how did you first start getting interested in Claude skills? Because to me, I look at this as like the Chrome extension store, right? Or the iPhone app store. Like we've got the big thing, the big behemoth, which is Apple and the iPhone, right? It's like, all right. How do we make money from the iPhone or Open Eye and Anthropic? How do we make money from Anthropic? But then fewer people are interested in, let's go like three levels deeper. How do we make money from the Chrome extension store? How do we make money from a Claude skill? And there might be thousands and eventually millions of Claude skills or apps. I think you could even call it like a Claude app, right? But how do we find the edge there? Is that kind of what you were thinking? Yeah, absolutely. So first of all, I like to look at Claude skills as kind of an updated version of a GPT or a project for those who are using that iteration of AI. And I actually have a Claude Code skill stack. You mentioned making money from this. I launched this about 30 to 45 days ago, somewhere in that ballpark. It's made over $3,000 just passively as a digital product. There are tons of ways to make money from Claude skills. You could package your skills and sell it as a digital product. You could go into an individual skill level and maybe do consulting on like SEO and then use your Claude skill on SEO to help with someone consulting in that field. And probably several others I'm not thinking of right on the spot here. Yeah, so maybe even like the Chrome extension store isn't granular enough. When I think Chrome extension, I think of like adblocker plus, right? But then if we want to get even more niche, I'm thinking of a time when I wanted to make a Google sheet that would update my crypto portfolio in real time. So I had to pay like four bucks to some random Google sheet extension that would update crypto prices in real time. And then I could just divide that price by how much crypto I owned, right? So it sounds like you're building tiny little tools like that on top of Claude and either selling them individually or packaging them up and selling them to probably power users of Claude. Like not people that are casually prompting, not even so much people that are using Claude projects, but people that are going one level deeper than that, right? Yeah, and I'm not just selling these as a digital product, Chris, I'm actually using these in my day to day work that's led to higher quality work for my clients. It's led to more efficiency gains throughout the week. So it's more of an internal system too. Okay, okay. Do you start with that? Like you build them for yourself and you're saying, like I'm an audience of one, this solves a problem for me. It'll probably solve a problem for others. Yeah, and if you're already using GPT's or projects, you can repurpose those into actual Claude skills. And the best part about this, there's really two parts that made the big unlock for me here is that they update in real time. So every time you're using a Claude skill and let's say you're writing an article and something's off, will you tell it to make changes? And right there on the spot, it updates that skill where it will never make those mistakes again. And then we can really get into the weeds here of something like Carpathee's auto research where you can have an automatic skill updating system where you don't have to take that extra step and say update the skill. It'll just automatically update the skill for you in the background. So, okay, I didn't even realize that you can basically take your own personal Claude project and convert it to a skill. Yeah. So what you're saying with this Carpathee project, which for those listening, is it Andre Carpathee? He's like one of the bleeding pioneers on the cutting edge of AI. You're saying that instead of like manually pushing updates to the skill based on new context that you're giving your project, you can keep it auto updated. Yeah, absolutely. And these are transferable, Chris. So let's say Claude code were to go away tomorrow and Codex is the hot thing or Gemini, you can transfer these skills over to the next AI coding agent in your existing setup versus copying and pasting a GPT, going to a Claude project. Or I used to do that before I was using skills and it was super tedious. Listen, I need more people like this to interview on my podcast. So if you know of someone with a side hustle or a business that's unique and cool and super profitable email
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I'm gonna open the Camono a little bit and put you on the spot and I'm a Cloud Power user. But like these chats you see here on the left, I gotta make sure there's nothing embarrassing. Like half of these are from this morning and it's 2 PM, right? And within each one, there's like many, many prompts. Like I am a Cloud Power user. Right here, I have some of my projects. Let's do this real quick. I'm gonna explain to you what my thought processes with these projects. And then I would love if you could tell me like how I might be able to convert one or more of these to a skill and make money from it. Absolutely. Let's do it. All right, so first one, I use the most corner yard. It is springtime. I spend, I'm not exaggerating. Six days a week, one to seven hours in the yard every day. I love it. It's my happy place. So I'm constantly asking like, why this fertilizer for this, for this bermuda, why this herbicide for this crabgrass is my crabgrass dying. What's up with my magnolia tree? Like I'm just pestering it all day. Yeah. And there's a lot of context in there. YouTube video outlines, right? Here's a transcript from an episode. In this case, me and you, how should I order this? Like what's the best part to front load? What should the intro be, et cetera? MHP stuff. This helps, I train this with tens of thousands of words of my own advice, my own Q&A about the RV and mobile and parks, investing space. YouTube intros, I use this specifically for saying here's a transcript to a raw interview. What should my intro be? For this one, I upload all of my podcast growth data, retention data, click through rates and say like, what's going on? How can I improve my podcast? This one, what should I cut for my YouTube videos? This one, I don't even know what it is. This one, you know, how to write like me, how to write better emails. This one was only for a conference that I spoke out for orthodontist. This one is how to make YouTube videos about go high level. This one is how to optimize my shorts and Austin is my employee that works on that. This one is how to script solo YouTube videos and this is just the example of a plot project. So what's coming to mind is you see these. - Yeah, absolutely. So first of all, if we look at the YouTube ones in particular, what you can do is enthropic. They actually have a bunch of free skills that you can install on their GitHub repository. So what I would do is I would install the skill creator skill. It's already built with best practices in mind on how to properly create a cloud skill versus just saying, hey, create a skill and expecting this like perfect output, right? So you want to have that first. I know how to vibe code and even that I'm very bad at it. So if I were to use the skill creator, would I do it within my project? - Yes, exactly. - All right, so let's just do it. Let's say we're gonna create a skill called Better YouTube Intro. Okay, so I'm gonna go in this project, go to skill, skill creator, now what? - And then I would voice dump this. Just that's what I naturally do. But I would say something like use the skill creator skill to transform or repurpose this project into a skill markdown file. But make sure you keep the instructions, the memory you look at my recent chat history and then come up with a skill markdown file or something along those lines that I would refine it. - Done. - Yeah, so it should create a skill markdown file that you can then not only use within the cloud web app, but you can download that and then transfer it into whatever other system that you want to use. - Okay, so it's just, it's gonna reformat this in a more friendly way to give back to cloud. - Correct. - Okay. - All right, so then it's gonna give me this package, file, whatever. Then what do I do with it? - Yeah, well for internal work, this is gonna make your life much more efficient versus copying and pasting from a project all day and going back and forth and switching between tabs. Or if you wanna make this an opt-in guide potentially, or you could sell this for those who are interested in the YouTube content creation side of what you do, you could take five skills just like this that you do for your YouTube channel, package that into a Chris Corner, Cloud Code skill stack and then sell that as a digital product. - What would something like that sell for? - I sell mine for $99, but there's about 20 to 25 skills in there. - I meant to ask you this earlier, the 80/20 rule exists everywhere. Of your 25 skills, which are the ones, you know, the one to three that everyone's using? - Yeah, the SEO blog post writer, that basically takes a YouTube video and in one prompt on Cloud Code, turns it into an SEO optimized blog post that actually ranks with proven data. YouTube thumbnail designer, I would say is a very popular one lately, as I added the GPT image to model into the mix now. And then I'd also say my anti-slop skill just has those anti-slop vacation marks, right? That not this, if that, delve, robust, all those sloppers that you see everywhere. - The not this, if that dude, that is everywhere. - Yeah. - So for someone like me who has almost 300 long form YouTube videos, there's no good reason why I shouldn't buy your skill package and convert all those to blog posts so I can get organic free traffic to my website. - Absolutely, and of course you wanna repurpose it into your own style, and that's what I always tell people, if you're downloading a free skill, you don't just wanna plug and play, you wanna give it your context, your instructions, your style guides, et cetera, so it creates the outputs that are relevant to you not Ryan Dozer. - Okay, all right, so here's the art, I'm just not realizing.md is marked down. I'm assuming, okay, cool. So what do I do from here? - So you see that little copy button, that little download button to the right, you can download that, put it on your desktop, you can insert it into any other system, or you can use this skill inside your existing cloud setup on the web app if you wanna do that. - Mm, okay, so basically it would take, all the context that knows from this project, and it would add it to the drop down in cloud, so if I want to reference all that context in a prompt, I just hit the drop down and choose the skill. - It should be there in terms of the skills, or if not, - Okay. - Take the mark down file, and upload that to knowledge in your project. - I could take it a chat, or grab, or Gemini, or whatever. - Yep. - Man, okay, so that's really cool. That means I don't have to hop between a bunch of projects, I could just stay in one chat window, and that's really cool. So you sell this for 99 bucks, are you able to sell it like through, Claude's library, or do you have to sell it on your own website or whatever? - My own distribution, yeah, if you want me to share my screen, I can definitely kind of show you how I'm doing this. - Let's do it. - So this is the Claude code skill stack. I used a my own web designer skill to build this, and so essentially what I did is I have the actual digital product right here on my website, where it talks about my Claude MD, some tips and tricks, and then it has the actual download links to download those mark down files on your device. So there's a ton of stuff on here, but essentially what I did is I took this digital product, once it was done, I gave it to Claude code, and I used my web designer skill that I have right here, and then the web designer skill, knew myriandoser.com branding, it knew my style, it knew my tone, my logo, et cetera, and then it vibe coded or developed this landing page right here, but the next step was I needed to create a stripe payment, prior to a stripe product, so then I gave it my stripe payment link, boom, into Claude code, and in about 15, 20 minutes, this Claude code skill stack was complete, right? You have the social proof and FAQs, and all the things that go into a converting landing page and whatnot, but that at a nutshell, Chris is kind of how I built this. I started this a couple months ago, and it's already gaining significant traffic across Google search and LLMs, and so how I'm monetizing this site is that when people come here, boom, the floating pop-up comes around, I have it inside my actual blog post, I have it as CTAs and several of my emails and email newsletters and drip sequence emails, so it's kind of just like a soft sell CTA right now, and kind of how I'm doing this. I'm not hard pushing it by any means. - So are you a technical person by default? - I would consider myself non-technical. - Okay. - You're a marketer. - Exactly. - Well, it's not any of us, and that's not a pejorative, I'm a marketer. Okay, so you're kind of dog fooding this, like you're using your own product to sell your own product. You're using your own skills to create content on your website to create this flywheel effect that bring people to your website to sell the same skills that built the website. - Exactly. - Yes, that's partly accurate. - Beautiful. Now, when they buy your skill package, is that just a bunch of MDE markdown files that they can then upload to GROC Gemini chat, whatever? - They get this exact page right here, and then they can take the actual files, download them, upload it, repurpose it with their contacts, and use it how they please. - Okay. - So, what are opportunities do you see specifically in the skills space for Clawed or for other LLMs that you think people should attack? - Yeah, I mean, they could obviously package it and copy what I'm doing and use their own contacts, because the real power here, Chris, is that I have subject matter expertise and you do too, and a lot of marketing skills, right? - Everyone has an expertise in something. - Right, so like use your subject matter expertise. It doesn't have to be a marketing skill. It could be a skill for, I don't know, what's something that someone's knowledgeable and maybe trading baseball cards or trading Pokemon cards. Maybe package your years of experience in that particular industry, throw it in the skill markdown file, and then someone can take that, and then basically use that as their thought partner if they're trying to figure out, hey, should I buy this card or maybe it's an investing skill? Hey, should I invest in this stock, right? You're taking your expertise and then putting it into one file so that someone can use. - Oh man, my brain is just buzzing with ideas here. - No one execs them from this. My 10 year old could create a skill for how to most efficiently put Legos together. - Yeah. - You know? - And the thing is, Chris, all you have to do to do this is literally just pull up the clawdap on your phone, voice transcribe, brain dump, all of your thoughts onto this, and just say use the skill creator skill at the end, so make sure it creates it in the correct format, and boom, you have a skill.
Guys, tkowners.com, that's my community where people are building businesses. I do AMAs, Q&As every week live. You can ask me anything you want. You can have accountability partners. It's about 1,000 people in their building starting growing businesses. Check out tk0 as in the corner office tkowners.com. Now what is the difference between an anthropic skill and an artifact? So an artifact is just kind of a visual element that Claude creates. A skill markdown file is just a recipe for an AI agent to follow for a particular task. But you can also create markdown files for other things, right? So after this podcast is over, I'm going to take the transcript, save it as a markdown file, upload it into my Claude code system as context. But I'm going to save that as a markdown file. And what I've learned about this, Chris, is that AI agents are models right now. There are particular types of files that they just find easier to read with markdown being one of them. Each TML being another forum that they really like the transcribe and process versus if you try to give it a PDF, they struggle with PDFs more than they do markdown. So I know this is maybe impossible to answer, but let's say you have a 10 megabyte PDF with thousands of words on it to give that same amount of context to AI. What percentage less context would it be? Like how much more efficient is that if you were to put the same amount of content in a markdown file way more efficient. I couldn't give you an exact percent or a text file.txt. One of those two would be much better off than just blowing it into a PDF because it's going to miss things when it's trying to read PDFs. Okay. So you're basically translating it to its own language with a markdown. Correct. You're making it more accurate and more efficient. Correct. They just understand markdown better. Okay. Man. Okay. So just to recap, you made $3,000, basically all profit, right? Like this is your time. Yeah. And then here's the 3% stripe fees. Yeah. So here's the stripe dashboard. This one actually came as like a consulting upsell. Some guy wanted my skills and was like so impressed by one of them. And I was like, all right, man, $1,000 for an hour. And boom, he just painted you right there on the spot for it. But yeah, over three grand. And I could go back into the other ones here. But over three grand probably total just from this stripe, cod code skill stack. Yeah. And the skill stack you created just from your own usage. Like you just, you took what you were already spending your time on and you monetized. Correct. Exactly. You're a gardener or a marketer or you work in nonprofits. Like nothing has exempt from selling your knowledge through skills. Nope. And you know, if we want to go back to the SEO space, I can show you one of these skills and action. If you're curious to watch me go through that. Yeah. Let's do it. All right. So this workflow here, like I mentioned, this repurposes YouTube videos on my channel into SEO optimized blog posts that look like this, right? And so just the proof is in the pudding here. I did a quick search before we came on. If you pull up a private incognito window and like in this example, you search for Blatado, one of my favorite AI marketing tools owned by Sabrina Romanov, I was in the actual AI overview. I'm not there anymore. Unfortunately, there's my video here, but there's the YouTube video right there. And then boom, there's the blog post right under Reddit, right? So which is made from the same YouTube video. Exactly. So you're trying to essentially dominate the serps and LLM results with this strategy. So that's just for example, here. And if we go back to the actual workflow, all I'm doing here is I'm simply coming in here, copying my YouTube video URL. Let's pull up cloud code and I'm using the cloud code extension with in visual studio code. And then I use my SEO blog post writer skill. So I have a skill that's dedicated just from repurposing YouTube videos into SEO optimized blog posts. And there's a lot of stuff on here, right? You know, there's internal linking, external linking, I'm giving it XML site maps and word structures and all sorts of fun SEO jargon. But essentially what I'm doing here, and this is the chat that I did is I'm giving it my YouTube video URL. I'm saying use my SEO blog post writer skill. So cloud code knows to call that skill. And then I'm giving it some context, right? This is just my SEO search brain working here. I wanted to actually rank for a particular keyword. And then I just threw it in and it gave some secondary keywords. And then I took the actual video links in my YouTube description, plugged it in there. So it knows exactly what to externally link. And then I always like to do this at the end of my skills. This is just something I like to do. Triple check the SEO blog post writer instructions when doing this task because sometimes like you know Chris, AI can hallucinate. So if you throw in something in like triple or double check something, there's going to be a less chance of it hallucinating. So that's kind of the prompt right there. And if we go back to my website, I'm going to show you the actual article that this created. I did this the other day. This was a recent YouTube video called the best AI marketing tools in 2026. That's all it did from that one prompt. I didn't do anything else besides that. And I can keep scrolling through here, but like this is a high quality article written from Opus 4.7. There is no way Chris and it has my author bio and FAQs. There's no way you could objectively go through this for the first time and just say that's AI slop, right? And it's automatically rank you and it's and some of these are already starting to rank over time. I just need more backlinks more authority. This is a brand new site where I'm just testing out random AI systems just like I'm explaining to you right now. Oh man. There's a lot going on there. That's very impressive. And I'm just starting Chris like you know what I mean? Like you'll see here the results so far. I mean, it's not crazy. A lot of people don't even get this traffic on high authoritative sites because they don't know what type of content to create, what keywords to go after. And so there again comes the value of a skill like this. Now I have a repeatable system that I can do this for every single YouTube video that I put out, which I do every single video I turn into a blog post and about a two sentence prompt within cloud code. Okay. This is impressive. What didn't I ask you? What should I have asked you about everything you're doing? That's just awesome that we might have missed. There's all sorts of other AI marketing hacks that you can do. You know, you can scrape LinkedIn profiles. So like you can use apify and create a skill for that and get LinkedIn profile data is another AI marketing hack. I was going to share with you. So essentially I looked at your profile had a LinkedIn profile scraper skill use this paired with apify with a free actor dumped it into a Google sheet or a CSV that I uploaded. And then boom, I had it formatted like this. These are your last I think 60 or 50 posts where it came in here provided an engagement score, provide the post. And then so that way you can use this going forward and saying what were my hooks like which post popped off was it image was it articles was it text. This just provides more direction from a LinkedIn or social media content strategy standpoint. So that's one other example I was going to share. I mean, that's super helpful. Yeah. The other thing I was going to share is that I actually vibe coded my own AI marketing OS or operating system. And so this just has kind of my day to day tasks. I have a countdown timer to when my child's going to be born right. Just random stuff like this with this actually this is this is a cool thing I wanted to show you this actually syncs up to my Google calendar right. So see I have the Chris corner podcast today and all these other things going on same with social media I have a social media tab here. So this actually reflects today and the past days of what my social media calendar looks like. So if I click into this it's telling me YouTube shorts, TikTok, Instagram, Reels, threads, LinkedIn, X. But of course, you know this too captions are different for YouTube shorts, Instagram, TikTok, then they are for Twitter or X or LinkedIn. And then I also have the actual Google drive media that it points to right there. So I can see all of this from one dashboard versus going into a social media scheduler or manually going through, you know, each platform and trying to figure it out that way. But I guess that's another real world situation here. Just kind of vibe coding your own marketing OS social media, YouTube, clientware, community, SEO pipeline, all the day to day stuff that we have going on. And what's really cool about this Chris to go another layer here is I have it connected to Blatado, which is my social media platform connected via MCP. So I can schedule all of this right inside the cloud code interface on my social platforms without ever having to leave this interface ever again. This is why I'm so optimistic about whether it's cloud code or codex. I never have to leave this interface. It can just do everything right from this screen. Yeah. I mean, you said the best that's your own personal operating system. Yeah. So that was kind of what I was going to plan on sharing here. If you had any other questions, thoughts, comments, anything else you want me to cover, but there's just a few little AI marketing hacks I like to share. No, I mean, you just pack like three hours of value into 30 minutes. So I'm just like trying to like take a breath for a minute. Yeah. It was really good. It was really good. I don't even know where to begin. Like there's so many things that I could use here. I'm optimistic there will be a lot of takeaways for the viewer here. If you could like, if you could leave people with one hack, one tip, whether it's about prompting or whatever, that would be applicable to the most amount of people with how to use AI. What would it be? Yeah, I would say that most people are still using chat, GPT, cloud or Gemini. It would kind of be back to what we said earlier is I would venture away from the GPT's projects, the copy, paste system and start to create some skills as step one. And then once you have those skills, I would highly encourage people to try cloud code or codex. It's not scary. It's not technical like it sounds. And then just start to learn that day and day out, figure out what are my tasks that I'm doing every day in cloud chat GPT Gemini. How can I transfer those tasks and start using cloud code or codex or probably my top two? Okay. Ryan, this was amazing. Where can we find you? Yeah, so Ryan Dosa on YouTube, RyanDosa.com, if you want to follow my little SEO project. And I'd say my community probably. A.I. Marketing Insiders, shoot me a message on LinkedIn at Ryan Dozer. Happy to help anyone out. Okay. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Chris. Hey, guys, if you're still listening to this, it's probably because you haven't had a chance to take your AirPods out. You're still mowing the lawn. You're still driving. What have you? If you're still here with me, I would really, really love and appreciate a five-star review on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts. It would mean a lot. 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