For Better Or For Worse - Our last episode!

(upbeat music) - Hello guys, my name is Angelina. - Well, I'm Gaye 3. And this is for better or for worse. - But the last time. - The last time ever. - I don't know, maybe we should reunite after like 10 years or something. - I was gonna say five, Chris, like, you know, you know, we're doing the time caps, you'll think, of what we think AI's gonna be in 2013. - Okay. - So as you should come back. - Definitely. That would be insane. - I know. - Do you know how many changes are gonna happen? - I know. - Like given the last two years with AI. - I know. I was looking at you because we've covered similar cases. Like we did music two times. Even then there's such a big jump between last, I think we did it last December. To this, sorry, we did it last February. - February, yeah. - Yeah, to just December. Within eight months, there's been so much change. - No, huh. - But before we start, we just wanna sort of reflect on what happened last Tuesday on campus. We lost a king's student, her name was Alia Mohammed. And yeah, we just wanted to take some time to, you know, just pair respects. And hope the families doing better. And we hope they have the strength to deal with this horrible, horrible incident. - Yeah. Yeah, so. - Yeah, if you guys need any help, you know, like to sort of process whatever happened, I think there's a lot of resources you can reach out to the SEO, you can reach out to your department. There are a lot of people who are ready to sit and talk. So if you need help, please don't hesitate to reach out. - Yeah. - And we know that it can be very difficult to talk about. So make sure to reach out if you need the help. - Yeah, and also make sure everyone around you has fun, reach out to your friends. - Exactly. - Ask them if they're okay, 'cause it's been a difficult week for all of us. - Yeah. - We're coming back. This is our final episode. - Yeah. - How are we feeling? - Also, we graduate in a couple of months. We submit our dissertation in a, I think, little over a month. - Yeah. - And we have a last week of uni now. - Oh, tomorrow is my final. I don't have classes today. Tomorrow is my last ever looking day. - It's a strange day now. - I know from master's students, we're gonna come back to KCL. It's gonna be like nothing ever happened. But for us, like, - Yeah. - Like, what is it taking a break before we take our masters? So it's like, oh, like it just feels like it's a chapter that's just like closing. - And so fast. - So fast. It doesn't feel like it's been three years. - I loved university. Like, I actually had so much fun compared to my school life. I loved it. I feel like I met so many new incredible people. Met so many advanced, but learned how to cut them off. My professors at grade, I had so much fun learning what we study. - Yeah. Everyone is just so supportive. - Yeah. If you wanna hide the kings, go for it. - Are there non-king students listening to this? - You know, it's me, beautiful. - Oh no, it's yeah. But yeah, this is our final week at university. And this is our last episode. We're in the podcast for last time. - Yeah. - Yeah, this place, it's really weird. Doesn't feel real. - It doesn't. But yeah, so for this episode, we will basically just be reflecting on the last two years. - Not too entire as well as an eight year or half. - Yeah, of us. And the podcast and AI, we're just gonna reflect on all of those. - So just prepare a few questions for ourselves. - Yeah. - Just go that and go back and then we have friends. They gave us questions. (laughing) Anyways, actually knows my only friend. (laughing) But yeah, so the first question is, what was the most case study we explored and why? - Most interesting. - Yeah. - Oh, wait, what? - Most interesting, sorry, I'm just read. Yeah, what's the most interesting case study that you think we covered? - Oh, I think I loved Tesla. I loved the case study we did on Beethoven, you know, like finishing his unfinished symphonies using AI. Snapchat AI is a classic. We did that. That was one of the first cases we covered. I loved it. I had so much fun talking about it. I was so nervous, but it was really funny. I loved it as well. For me, I think definitely the case study about neural ink and Apple vision. - Yeah. - I just like exploring actual case studies of technologies that are like a gadget on its own. - Yeah. - Because nowadays we see AI that is so interconnected and it's kind of invisible because it's just around the top or around the top. - Yeah. - When you can see it in it. - Yeah. - You know, when it's a separate technology in itself that uses AI, I think that's what interests me the most. - Yeah. - It's just like its own thing and it's like very different sheeted. - For sure. - Rather than just like the typical chat box. - Yeah, it's getting old. - It's getting old now. - Yeah, it is. - But also shout out to Sebastian and David. I had so much fun talking to them about AI and sustainability and SpaceX and pretty much any time we get to sort of talk about Elon. I had so much fun. Literally every time he's just a reoccurring theme for us. - And Angelina also very creatively to charge and created an image of Elon in a dress in a silver, shiny, shimmering dress. Which was a great site to see. I had so much fun. - It was so kind of like, so much fun cast. I loved it. - Yeah. - It was a lot of fun. I really hope Elon sees it one day. He's gonna be like, "Damn, I'm rocking this. Let me carry on wearing dresses." - Or maybe a bandage from the US. - Anyway. - You know what, I don't care. - Yeah, even with hope he comes across the podcast. If you guys are listening, maybe send Elon and D.M. asking him to listen to our podcast. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially the one about Tesla and your own. - Yeah. But I've been, oh, I didn't tell Angelina that might as well say it on the podcast, but yesterday I was at a coffee shop and I was sitting next to these two girls and they were sort of launching their own startup which was AI in music marketing for In The Artists. So they happen, they use AI to create a database of like 500 radio stations and DJs that In The Artists can access. And also you know, sort of this, like sort of have everything like publishing rights and all of that sort of laid out for them, which I thought was so cool. If I had met them a lot sooner, I would have invited them to talk on the podcast. - Yeah, for sure. Wait, what's the startup version? - Let's call it Riffed Down. - Riffed Down. - Yeah. - Nice. - Yeah, it's by two South Asian girls. - It's incredible. Yeah, if you guys want to check out - Women's Hack, yes. - Women's Hack, yes. - Support. - Exactly, and for a very good cause, it's supporting In The Artists. - Exactly. - So if you guys want to check that out, you should totally go check their website out. - Yeah, good for it. - Yeah, but yeah, so I wish they could have been a guest on our podcast. - I wish they would have been really nice. - Oh well. - Okay, next question. How has our understanding of AI evolved since the first ever episode? - What's our first episode? - It was something about a big brother. How is it used to be? - AI and so feelings. - Yes. - Yes. - So, so Vailess Capitalism is like the main theme in our podcast. - Shotdown, Tsuba. - Yeah. - Love her. - Love her. - Love her. - And she points out that nowadays, a lot of the technologies we use have control over our data. And you know, larger governing bodies have access to our personal and vulnerable information. Basically to control us and know everything about us. And so nothing really happens organically nowadays because everything is just predicted through data and controlled through data. - As long as I want to work in data now, this is the scariest way. - It does. - Yeah, but that was our first episode. - That's right. - Yeah. - So how it changed the understanding of AI? Maybe that doesn't look more constant for us nowadays. - That and I also feel like during this podcast, like during our hosting the podcast, my view of AI has broadened so much. Like I did not realize how much artificial intelligence I use every day. - It's different. - I'm sort of scared everywhere. I'm sort of scared if I isolate myself from AI, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't have the intelligence I have right now. Like I'm so sick, I'm actually scared that. - Yeah. - That's the truth. - If you're not using AI, you're basically not a part of society. - Yeah. - I mean, societies that are more advanced because we've got to address the digital device. - Exactly. - Yeah, so we just need to keep addressing the same issues. Data privacy, digital device. - Sorry, so I want to show it off. Should we influence, okay. But yeah, so I think our main understanding is that we should just keep addressing those issues. - Yeah. - And did any part of our research change our opinion something we discussed like for example something that we have previously set on but have a completely different view of. You know what our sort of curious about Appalachian Pro when I first heard of the concept but once we researched and spoke about it and learned more about it I think I'm good with never touching one of those. I'm more than happy. It's becoming so much more advanced as well and what was the one that metal created? Is it just quest? quest. Okay yeah quest. I think what's his name? Mugs are complex. I mean I have this face on my mind. I'm gonna be a non edited unfiltered but try to stop. We make so many mistakes on our own trust so like this is just our own selves. What's going on? Well they don't let us do it again but we're fine with that. It's okay. Yeah so Mark Zuckerberg, I think he's just as popular in the media as Elon is getting. Especially with his latest rebrand. Have you seen like he's like a Jim Bro, he's like wearing chains. Yeah he did put a bent and born thing for his wife for the anniversary. I feel cold. Anyways yeah so I was saying about quest. It's just becoming increasingly embedded with like AI technology technologies. Guys this is what happens if we don't have a script. We start off to those. No we just we just lose track of where we're going. Yeah but if an employer is listening to us we are not our best self right now please consider this. Yeah it's been in the morning with our diary. Anyways like I was saying so like with quest is just he's using a lot of AI technology to basically create individual like avatar and like fake world kind of scenario. So like imagine have you seen those videos in like Black Mirror where you're like an avatar and you're in this fake world you can see like random scenes you can control what is around you. You can do that with quest as well. So I think that was the most interesting technology. Yeah you sort of become a character in a video game rather than living as your human self in the real world. It's too much for me. And there's so many capitalistic like implications in this because what if we like now we're just like working to like live our life in a real world. What if we one day have to pay to have a fake life as an avatar? Exactly. And I feel like it's just way companies tech companies are just forming ways of like having to pay for things that. Profiting off of things that aren't even real. Yeah they're just profiting off of people's curiosity of what what might be. Yeah they're just selling an experience but what if the experience one day becomes permanent and we just lose track of reality and we just live in a simulation. Severance. Severance. Yeah anyways did I get off track? No you're good you're good. Yeah so something that I was previously selling but now I have a completely different view of is just how dramatically the world is shifting and how um what's our AI is just mainly for profit. Yeah exactly like bringing back what we spoke with David or we spoke about with David. Maybe address the problems here before you go to a different planet. Like it's not important to fly off in a rocket ship or Mars, Venus, whatever but there's a lot of issues right now. Yeah and I think most importantly like the digital divide there are so many communities out there who have no access whatsoever to any technology not even text messaging. Not just not it's not just the fact that they don't have access but AI data centers and all of that being built there so they don't even have proper access to their own natural resources anymore like water and all of that because you need it though you know take care of the data centers. So they can't even use the benefits from technology and that also being exploited just for technology to exist. Yeah for the first world like first world countries and the tree that just the bar is in hell we have no expectations also. Exactly if you're going to know more about AI and sustainability go check out our podcast this is a question. Yeah episode. Definitely. Yeah okay next question which AI breakthroughs have been overhived and which have been underrated. I don't know. That's so many I think all of that. No I think generative AI is so overhyped because gen AI has been synonymous to AI recently. Everyone like to use AI and I'm like what do you mean? It's a different category it's just conversation AI with like it's just a collage of works that have already been created. Exactly and obviously that's going to lead to a lot of issues such as like it's just an interactive Google search. Pretty much. Yeah you just summarized that very perfectly. It's an interactive Google search. Yeah it's not that deep you really don't need it. I do use it sometimes though. But I'm actually doing a project right now relating to AI and like how it's better than a traditional Google search because AI while it can have bias when it comes to actually searching for information it's better extracting information based on the relevance of the prompt rather than the structural barriers such as promotion, advertisements, because obviously in search ranking the large companies, the gatekeepers, they have more money in order to like be in the top search. More deserts and AI kind of results that issue. So yes that's a per. Yeah I think we had an episode about this not how AI sort of works like the language models they use. Yeah that was very interesting but I still think Genie AI is so overrated because there's other like the other AI is like for example AI helping accessibility like you know screen reading and all of that for people who don't have preparation. I think AI helping accessibility is great. People should probably talk more about it but I'm listening to or judging listening about judgey PD and Gemini and Claude. I think there's types of generative AI's are just mainly for like corporate. Yeah, in the social education. Yeah. But like the AI's that are like more focused on like recognizing patterns or like helping with screen reading like you said then there's are more beneficial for like those of like disabilities and actually making real world change or like even AI for like mapping out agriculture you know in GIS. Yes. Like that is job discovery from medicine. Yeah so those are the types of AI that we should definitely focus on like developing and making them better in order to make positive changes instead of just like getting rid of ability to think creatively. Exactly. We don't need a rocket ship tomorrow. We don't need to go to space. Yeah. We don't need any of those things. Stay on us. I wonder what types of AI days and rocket ships they definitely do if you know them. Machine. Yeah. Yeah. They definitely do and it's getting old like just stay here. Yeah. And it's the fact that even he's not going he's sending random people like he is not ready to go either. Anyway. Yeah, what we're saying. So what are also the crucial ethical considerations that we discuss regarding AI? Probably. So we cover any solutions that were effective for them. Private. I think we're more critical than solution oriented but privacy issues definitely one of them lack of privacy right now. Like for example, we this is our second recording of the podcast. We did 10 seconds of the first recording and Adriena said she had done the voice thing off on her laptop and she was at home because she doesn't want people to listen to her when she's at home. But that alone is you know, create example of how we don't have privacy anymore. I even have a camera cover. Like it's like the laptop itself has like a cover. They know what they're doing. They know that existing. They know they didn't buy it. Separately. No, no, no, it's like it's like because it will switch on and off and you like cover the camera with it. I don't know how to explain it. Sorry. Like imagine imagine a shot of your camera that's inbuilt. Yeah, it's like your laptop. So like the laptop like HP they already know that there's like data privacy issues. Yeah. Um at least I'd be in transpire on about it. It's healing data but also they're like we got you. Yeah. So all these are solutions like the buttons that interactive features. I think the precautions more than solution. Yeah. And why? Why do there's additional like measures just to protect your privacy instead of like it should just be an expectation itself and like yeah, don't invade our privacy. Exactly. And. And. And. And. Data brokers. Yeah. And like we said, um, regarding sustainability, ethical consideration for sure. Um, a lot of people are being exploited, do run And a data, what's the thing called? Data center. Data center, I just said it during the trip. But yeah. Yeah. And it was sort of like the amount of trauma that comes with it. So I studied individual humanitarianism. Like with the use of AI, a lot of vulnerable people are actually the ones who are training AI systems. Yeah. So you'd think that, or maybe a machine, like learning engineers, like building all of these. Yeah. But in fact, they're actually exploiting people who are in lower income countries who don't even have access to the technology. But have to create those technologies. I'm not saying that that's how it is for all AI technology. Obviously, there's some rich AI engineers in London, in New York, who I mean, as I think in Nigeria, there's some employees who have been creating-- they have been filtering the images of being used for AI data sets. And some of them can be extremely traumatic as well. Not only are they doing it for a very other repay that also viewing things that are supposed to be moderated, so very graphic content. Yeah. And you wouldn't put a regular person through that in a corporate environment, because there's the cool standards. But when it comes to people in lower income countries, I guess that's not the case. And also, what's the latest charge-upity? Is it 4.0? Or something like 4.0, many something. It has been trained to pretend like it has emotions. That's one of the key differences between the previous upgrade and the newer upgrades. It can talk to you like, what is a base offer? I have no idea. I think sort of pretending like you have embodies if you're went in, you know? Don't go out of your GBT. Right. It's a few amp feeds. Like, I think it's training-- not-- it's not training the feelings, but training the accurate response to. Which in itself is scary, because if people don't know the repercussions of AI, they would think they're friends with. QBT, like we covered in Snapchat, friend of four. Especially with kids. Yeah. There's such a vulnerable population. They're just more likely to be influenced by these technologies. It can be very dangerous. Exactly. Next question for us. So what is the main recurring pattern we see across different AI applications? So for example, the type of industry that it's used for issues of data privacy. We already mentioned that. Yeah. We'll think biases. Bias, Fosho. Yeah. Yeah, especially with gender and race. Bias is a very key issue, I mean, to consider. Yeah. And also lack of information on non-western countries. So it's difficult to get information on Gen AI about, you know, Asian, East Asian, South Asian countries where-- because like, the models have not been trained with enough information. Yeah. I can't tell if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but yeah. Also, the type of industry it's used for maybe-- For Tesla, SpaceX. Yeah. So we've seen that happen. I don't know if you guys have gotten the hint of last one year and a half, but we really don't like it a lot less. Yeah. Let's not continue to get that. OK, yeah. Sorry. What is the primary difference between how the media portrays AI tech versus our research of real world examples? I think one of the first things you said won't constant growth. Even I honestly, I'm being very honest here. I didn't realize how bad the negatives of AI are till we started this podcast. Yeah. And that kind of motivates me more in order to work in companies that implement AI so that I can kind of oversee those issues and make sure that things are being done in order to improve them and like carry out risk analysis. And the main difference-- I guess the media portrays AI as robots mainly. That's the main thing that comes to mind-- Yeah. --robots an actual body figure that looks like a human that has the intelligence that is higher than a human. Yeah. It's very low. If you Google AI, I think it's like the blue robot sort of aesthetic that shows up. Yeah. But in real life, I think AI is much more invisible than that. Of course, again, let me mention Elon again. He's making robots that look like humans, but without faces. I don't know. Anyways, but that's just like the 1% of all AI, probably less than that. Like, AI is mainly invisible, like I mentioned. It feels like something to the tone you're for when you're left off. That's pretty much AI. Like, what AI generated? See, AI generated places. I still do AI generated hosts. Yeah. I'm kidding. We did it. Remember when Spotify wrapped that? They did like a one-minute podcast host that's AI generated. Yeah. Based on the Spotify wrapped inside. Yeah. Imagine that's us. That's us. We're not real, we're AI. Yeah. I'm also on Spotify. So Spotify is like implying us as AI channels. Guys, joke for later reasons. Imagine. But we are AI doesn't get paid, so-- Like, we do. We haven't got paid for this. We just-- we actually paid to do this. Yeah. Yeah. We paid to do this. Pista, you know, like heads up. Yeah. Anyways, it's OK. Next question. What are the biggest AI misconceptions that still persist today? I think we're just repeating the question. I know. I was going to say the same thing. AI is just a AI. That's a big thing. Because-- And I was like, oh, do you use AI? Do you use AI? I'm like, yes, but what in what sense are you talking about? I'm using AI to analyze large data sets. So I'm just planning out an essay. Guys, because like, if-- Yeah, that too. And also, I tap-- I have to tap into every building I enter. That's literally AI. The fact that-- Yeah. --you know, a door can scan my ID and check the ID validity. Yeah. Basically, everything that is automated, it's pretty much-- Yeah. And we don't realize that. OK. Next question. If we could ever revisit any AI topics in the future, which one would we want to explore further? I would definitely go more into AI and sustainability, I think. Yes. The impacts on the world. Like, this is our Earth. We have to take care of it so that we live here in the long time. And this should be on the priority. Yeah, sustainability is a true to you. The main foundation for all sorts of development. And if we ignore this-- if we ignore human nature-- I mean, nature in general, not just human-- then we're kind of going backwards as a society instead of evolving just because there are AI technologies out there and all sorts of technologies that are futuristic or whatever. That can't be the main thing that we focus on. And yeah, so we just-- these are kind of go back to the basics and start caring about things that are actually around us and not things that are just in the material digital world. 100%. I think if I had to revisit any topic, I would pick, though. One would be AI in music. I genuinely-- I don't like when it's going. I think a lot of music producers and all are sort of losing credit to the creativity they bring because of AI. Other topic I would love to explore is what we did with David. Space colonization. I think like you said, Earth is our home. We don't need to leave it. Like there is no reason to fly out in space. Or also to go under the water. Like you don't need to take a submarine and go under water. It is still unnecessary. You don't need to look at actual Titanic. Like what are you going to do if you-- just Google the image. I'm exactly-- Look at it from your phone. You don't need to go under water. What? 60,000 feet under water. And there isn't really a successful track record of submarine screwing on Google itself. Yeah. If you know the reference. Anyways. Yeah, so like you said, there's already so many issues going on in the planet. And if we were to go to Mars or whatever-- Not as type of a Titanic, we would never be going to do it. Obviously. And we use AI technology or all sorts of things to be a developed society. How do we know that we will actually have a fresh slate and take care of Mars if that was our next Earth? No, it's going to take care of Mars. If you haven't done it from the mistakes that we're doing now-- Exactly. And the most narcissistic people are want to go to Mars. Like they don't care about the planet. Yeah. Try not to eat on. Put that with me. Okay, next one, are there any emerging AI trends we didn't cover but we should have? Hmm, I think I found one yesterday. So basically, scientists are training AI to decode like whale songs, elephant, umbers and even like recognize emotions in dog parks. So basically the question is if AI could help us talk to animals one day. Ooh, yeah. That would be like so revolutionary. It would. There would be so many witnesses to crimes if you think about it. Exactly. That was your first call? Because there's like so many animals that have seen things happen. Yeah, for sure. And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I think that was one topic that I would definitely love to go and revisit. One topic I consider talking about on the podcast but I chose not to. Is grief tech. Hmm, I don't think that's necessary. Sort of talking to an AI chatbot like a deceased person. You know, I think I understand why it could be helpful, but to me that's a little unhealthy. And speaking of like consciousness, turning consciousness into an AI. Like there's been a lot of research experience, experiments nowadays, um, where scientists have been using actual human brains from people who have like deceased. Um, and they're using it to like assist in like, um, AI chatbot technology. I don't know. I don't know. They like revive it somehow. I'm not a scientist. I don't know. But basically I saw like a little video where guys basically explaining how scientists have been able to basically capture the consciousness from a human brain into an a fake world. Like I said, it would like meta an AI, except it's without your consent. When you die, you're kind of immortal forever. And I feel like that's just very, there's a lot of ethical considerations that kind of challenge. Just all forms of human nature. Yeah. Like immortality. Also religion. Like if you believe in an afterlife and then that doesn't happen for you. Oh, that's going to stimulate a lot of. I've spoken about this before, but sort of the Hindu, you know, religious guide is called Bhagavad Gita. And that was a Gita GPT. So you talk to the chatbot like it's a God and it gives you answers based on the rules in the religious work. So like you say something like, oh, should I eat meat today and then they'd be like, oh, but then you know, it's not good. You know, like something like that, but it's like you're talking, you're having a direct conversation with Krishna the God. Yeah. That was too much for me. That doesn't make sense because religion is also something that evolves all the time. And if you just put it on some religions, some just stay the same. Yeah, that's right. But I'm not going to say I'm thinking about should I mention a religion? Okay, I don't want to be biased or anything. But yeah, going back to like capturing human consciousness into an AI is just extremely unethical. But that's I guess that's the direction we're going to be going into in order to make ourselves in more tool. Like imagine you can capture that consciousness and then put it into a robot body. Yeah, you're basically immortal. There's a movie in like, there's an Indian movie like this. Yeah, that game like when I was five and I was like, yeah, that's that's you know, like impossible. But now that I've blown up, I'm like, oh, it's not that far off from reality. Right now. Yeah, I would definitely revisit that topic. Yeah. Next question, if someone listens to the spot guys deals from now, what do we hope they take away from it? Yeah, it's dangerous if you don't use it carefully. Yeah, the dangers of it. That's the most important. I don't see even if you use AI for good things, make sure that you're educated about the consequences of using any form of AI, especially of sustainability. I'm a big sustainability person, so please educate yourself. Like if you don't have health on the planet, then you're not going to be healthy either. You just need to think of yourself as being connected. Yeah, everything. And also think of yourself as a part of society, even if it doesn't directly have a negative impact on you. Some sort of AI you use is negatively impacting someone else somewhere in the world. Yeah, so make sure you realize you're some, you might be taking away natural resources for people. Yeah, unconsciously. Like obviously you don't know it, but it's empathy and do your research. That's the main thing. Don't use AI to do your research with yourself. Do it yourself. Would we ever consider revisiting this spot guys in the future? I would. Yeah. Sure. I think we're just learning and we're enforcing others to learn as well if anyone's listening. But yeah, definitely. Yeah, I would love to read with it. Where do we see AI the next five to ten years? I think this should be like a sonic time capsule. We make predictions and come back in five years, then. When we're 25. I think, okay, I'm going back to Elon again. Sorry, this is pretty like my tenth time. He's been creating robots with like, or at least planning to create robots who are able to give birth. I think he's going to be creating his own child in one of them in the next five years. Oh, I was going to say something more societal. Oh, she was going to say like we already have AI jackpots. Now, in 2025, it started off, I think, in 2022. My prediction is AI companions, like AI friends, will be asked commoners smartphones in five years. Oh, definitely. Yeah, that is my prediction. And now we're already having AI therapists. Yeah, exactly. So, why not friends? Imagine just having a whole group of friends as AI's. And I also think how there's like cool, cool and air culture, cool experiments like, AI creating music and films and works. I think it's going to come mainstream in a few years. There's going to be Netflix movies star AI generates it. Yeah, I think, for sure. It's not going to be just like, oh my gosh, that happened. But it's going to be so common, like what, create, you know, create, and really produce music is right now. But to be fair, I think, yeah, it would be really awesome. Like imagine Netflix just like has a little like a sidebar where it's like, oh, what movie do you want to watch? What do you want like the plot to be about? What style do you want to, yeah. You give you orders to tell us as a music movie for you. Yeah, that would be insane. Or even, yeah, with movesongs as well, music. Yeah, I have to more actually, I'm sorry. But my third one is AI obviously will reshape the job market. But I think everyone's panicking about AI taking away jobs. But I think by 2030 or 2040, AI will create new industries like the Internet did. Oh, definitely. Yeah, for sure. Like there's already AI consultants like you need a background in engineering and data science to be one. You just need to have a passion and interest in AI. Yeah, AI personality designers. I feel like it's one thing that came up to me. Personality designers. Because like, yeah, let's say you have chatbot friends. You need a friend who will get along with you. And you need to design a personality for that friend, you know? Like how, okay. So like how we can take a task based on our personality and it's like, I and T.J. or something. Yeah, I did. And then you recommend. Yeah. Yeah, it recommends like the best suitable friend you could have. And someone designs a personality exactly that mirrors your best friend. It's crazy to me, but I think this is going to happen. It's creepy. We're also going to. Yeah. And number, the last one is I think this is, this is like general, but. It I think AI will be about philosophy more than technology. So I think we have more clear definitions on the differences between humans and AI. Because right now is that always obvious, but I think in five years, we will need very, very clear, you know, definitions on what makes someone humans and what makes something AI. I don't know. You're saying it's clear, but to be fair, have you had of the internet theory? So basically there's a theory that already like 80% of all of our social media is pretty much just led by bots to any. Oh, yeah, yeah. And even like with comments, you think that it's a real big deal. person that's commenting and then you're like engaging with their commenting back, they can back as well having a fun little conversation in a comment section but they're not actually a real person. Yeah. So, I mean like not what makes someone else human. What makes us humans like if you're thinking about ourselves. Oh yeah. Differentiating us and AI because like you said AI is so invisible like the yeah right now I'm like oh AI doesn't have any emotions but like you said. Like training. Yeah. They're training AI's to respond as if they have emotions but to be fair there's all sort of humans like that too. Yeah but I think sociopaths, I feel emotions but no how's it must get. Yeah but I think AI is going to be more philosophical than technological. I mean obviously technology is the main aspect of AI but I think because of humanities as a subject at most universities and schools I think they're going to take up AI as a philosophy as well which I would love to see. That's kind of what we're doing, the show of humanities. Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah that'll be really cool. Yeah so if we're going to come back to this hopefully in 2030 I'm going to see if these predictions are true. Hopefully not. Yeah. But yeah. So what is the jurisdiction, the final jurisdiction is AI for better for worse. Let's leave that up to audience. Yeah because when we started I remember telling Angelina we could find out if AI is for better for worse if we do this podcast. I feel like we're more confused now than we were. Exactly. Because I think in the beginning I was like I was for the better like I had a very clear standpoint but now I'm like maybe not. But if you had a lead towards one answer what would it be? I think for the worse. I don't know. Until I start seeing more progress in sustainability and bias. And privacy than yeah for now it's for us. I think I remember I don't know which episode I said this in but I remember saying before AI technologies are introduced to the world. There should be laws and ethics formed for it. Instead of going the other way around and forming laws and ethics after it's introduced to the world. So it needs to go through a legal framework before it's introduced to the world. I think one starts happening and restrict laws where if a certain AI doesn't fit the consideration of certain ethics then it can't be released to the world. I think that's how it should be. Yeah. I don't agree. Also we kind of need to address that like all values or just shifting so much and like when we're not taking our like privacy and everything else as serious as we did in the past because of these technologies and like we should kind of rethink that you know at the end of the day you're a human you should have control over your own life, your own autonomy. Don't accept the case. Let's start there. Yeah and then people are like oh but what about the speed and efficiency of AI? But that's profit driven. Like why do you want something to be quick so that you make money or learn faster so that you have a job faster? You know? Like at the end of the day it's all just like from a capitalist perspective and AI is just built from that. That looks like a final question. But yeah so I was going to say we'll be back next week. That's not happening. Well the conversation if you guys want to talk about a certain industry and how AI is impacting it. Instead of a podcast we could start making quick reels or something. I was going to say maybe. But yeah thank you so much for your support. Yeah and thank you to those who have only made a stronger. Yeah thank you for everyone who used up what causes inspiration to grow their podcast. But yeah just a reminder this is the first ever KCL podcast about artificial intelligence. So thank you so much for the support. Yeah and we are just so glad to claim this title. That we made up. But it's true. Thank you. Like we've said this many times. Thank you so much for your support. I think it's just your friends and my friends listening to it. My friends are interested in AI. So my friends will be listening. Oh that's nice. Yeah. We've they support me as well. Yeah they do. They love you. Thank you. Yeah but we'll be back in five years. Five years. Yeah. We'll see if you'll be able to contact me. Yeah. He's going to disappear into the woods. Okay.