Finding Francis | Son of a Boy Dad #422

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It's issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank, NA member FDIC, subject to credit approval, terms applied. Already welcome back to the son of a boy dad podcast. Today it is Monday. It is July 27th. It's 1.40 pm and we are here live from HQ Trez. Welcome back. Happy birthday to Nikki Smokes. Is it Smokes birthday? He's turning 27 on the 27th, bro. How's it? Oh, fucking respects. Golden birthday. Golden birthday. He's only 27. I thought he was definitely like 28. 29. Well, that's not. Well, if he's 27, that means that he's, or if he's turning 27, that means that he's a year older than me. I thought he was a couple of years older than me. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he kind of, he has a 19 year old kind of like feel to him as well. Yeah, yeah. But he's like, yeah, it's like he's like 19, but he's like 30 at the same time. I don't think there are two people on earth more different than you and Nikki Smokes. We're much more similar than you could even imagine. Now I'm kidding. Yeah. We're purple. We don't have much. You guys just meet at the back. That's the only thing you guys have to overlap. You guys just hit the bag at the same time, no words to change at the end of the bag. Are you talking about the cocaine bag or the money bag? No, cocaine. Oh, yeah. I don't do cocaine. No, that's not my thing. And he doesn't make money. So you have nothing to do. Should have known. Yeah. You know, I can't think of anything I would actually that I think would be worse for me than cocaine. Maybe mushrooms, mushrooms, I have a pretty big fear of, but everyone says they're so great. Have you ever done mushrooms? I have a very like lukewarm relationship with mushrooms. It's not bad. It's not good. I've done them a handful of times. They aren't as, you know, they don't, they don't, they're not like seeing shit. Well, not, not at all. I mean, it's not bad at all. It's just that everyone else I know loves mushrooms. People love them. They're like, wow, have you seen the new? They come in sweet, tart form. People are upset. And I don't drink as much when I do them. And it just gives me this happy, gentle euphoria, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, for me, it's, I don't know, the happy, gentle euphoria can last forever. That's the thing. No, not that. It's a, that goes away. And I just end up finding that I'm like running my tongue over the inside of my teeth for two hours. Yeah. And then I'm like, all right, I don't really want this to happen anymore. I think this is a great point to segue into present Monday. Present Monday. Present Monday. I didn't know we were doing. I didn't know that was a thing. Well, I would have brought my presence because I was saving them for Tuesday. You can do present Tuesday. That's always on the table. But present Monday is, is a special, this is a, maybe a one off. If it's seven grams of mushrooms, I'll be very upset. Yeah, me too. We're up and down. We're up and down. We're up and down. We're up and down. I'm cleaning out. It's not, it's, well, okay. So, this past weekend, do you guys want to try to guess what I did? Golf. Golf. No. Member guest. No. How did it, went to a sick restaurant with somebody who like, we wouldn't expect that you're a friend with, but they're actually like Kane? Yeah. They're at the top of their field. So random. What a pull. You and Patrick Kane went out to dinner together in Chicago, you flew out, you had a delta deal in Chicago. So you and Patrick Kane had to go to, this is a weird, this is becoming a weird exercise for me because now I'm seeing how you guys view my life through your eyes and like, what I do. And I'm like, I don't know if I like any of that. Going out to dinner and having branded deals with my activities. Yeah. Off with LeBron. No. And Philly. Yeah. We played Marion. You shan in LeBron. I was going to, so quick side track, I was going to, I was trying to pull off a present, a crazy present to his day, but I didn't, I never got a response. I texted Shane and I was like, do you know, LeBron, he's going to try to get that calves autograph. Wow. That would have been awesome. No, it would have been game. Too many. I really appreciate it. It would have been crazy. You didn't even answer. Yeah. You just texted him. Do you know LeBron? He texted him in a group chat. Should you go Shane? Do you know LeBron? Is it Shane? Do you know LeBron? They don't get to know each other. Oh, definitely now. That's why that's why LeBron went to the Sixers. That's for Shane. It's all playing the link and he's like, boy, they got fans come out and say great community out there. Yeah. I don't know. What about the, what about Drake? Did Drake and LeBron don't fuck with each other anymore? Wait, what happened there? LeBron took Kendrick's side. Oh, right. He did. He'll work his way back in. The funny thing there is I guarantee there's, it's in no world is it like Drake going to, like I guarantee LeBron goes to Drake with like a deep apology. I think that he was already, I think when he was like, he was tweeting the out emoji. Oh, really? I don't know. But he wants back. Yeah. He's got to want back. But Drake has no connection to Philly. Correct. Drake has no connection to America. But if he's anti-LeBron Canadian. I think he kind of just runs America. I think his house is probably all over the place and he just buy like an estate in Houston or something like that. Probably. Yeah. Must have one of those. He's probably, do you think he's a citizen? Yeah. 100%. You should get, make a certain amount of money that you just give it to you. He's got to have that duel. I mean, he's an economy. Yeah. I wonder if he has an alien of extraordinary ability. I always thought that was the coolest visa they call it. What? Equalism of it is a genius visa. Oh, really? Yeah. For like if you're just like super successful. If you're just so like you're such a good artist, you're so good at your job, they give you a visa. That's like being invited. Genius. Yeah. Look that up. The genius visa. I know that they. I remember famously, I think, yeah, nickname for you isn't to, yeah, alien, it's alien of extraordinary ability or achievement. And it's permanent. That's cool. Yeah. See, I like visas, but I've always been more of a chase guy. Chase does work with visa. I think all their cards are visa. And I know that. Yeah. Cool. Well, anyway, this weekend, I went to an ayahuasca retreat. What? What? Steely? Yeah. You did it? I did it. No, I did it. No, you didn't. Yeah, I did. No way. That's insane. It did it not take. No, it's, it's, it was weird. I don't know. I don't know. I'm still like, seem the same. I'm still figuring out like how you couldn't see more the same. I feel like I noticed it more when you did Molly and Montau. You're like, you're like, you know, Leo. Yeah, you did it ayahuasca upstate. Yeah, I did. I went to, uh, they had a, you know, a place, uh, fucking shaman whole thing. it was recommended to me by a friend of mine who had gone through through some really bad grief that he had tried to overcome. If I talk to, maybe I've talked about that before. - I don't know, I know that's like, it helps with that. - And he suggested, 'cause I was just talking to him about how I feel kind of stuck a little bit on some patterns of thought. And I've also kind of started to feel that like my ego is not healthy. And I don't mean it in like, I think it's unhealthy in both directions. - Oh yeah. - What do you mean? - Like negative and positive. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think that-- - Like you hate yourself, but you're also like on the man at the same time. - I probably overcompensate by trying to like convince myself that I'm doing really well or convince other people of that. But the underlying truth is that I have a lot of internal battles. - Yeah, just feel really inadequate in a lot of ways. - And I don't-- - Is that a realization from the Iowaska tanters? - No, that's why we're going in. - That's why I went. - That's the realization. - Wow. - You were already cured heading in. - Yeah, the Iowaska was the friend we made along the way. - You were just going there to get fucked up. - I was going to get high. (laughing) - I heard the bads were comfortable. - No, I'm good. I'm just here to get fucking just obliterated. - Yeah. (laughing) - What's the normal dose? - You crippled me. - Pour me a double. (laughing) - I want four fingers to the Iowaska. (laughing) - I brought my own glass. - Is it a drink? - Yeah. - It's like a tea. - The drink. - I made it with all these sort of like leaves and roots and different things, but then the main ingredients are DMT. (laughing) Obviously. - It's pretty much like DMT with like Alfianian in it. - Yeah, there's all kinds of tastes horrible, by the way. - Don't you puke, did you? - Yeah, I got through up. - Yeah. - I gotta just tell the store, I gotta hear this. - Well, the big thing was that they, you know, you go in, it's a whole ritual. This one wasn't quite as like jungles of Costa Rica. This one was more like, I don't know, kind of secure medical, not medicinal, is the way I would put it and less like ethereal, ethereal and spiritual, like 45 minutes from my place. It was not far. - But was it like a home? - I had to spend the night. - Yeah, it was like a camp. - But like, the buildings, everyone had their own kind of little room in a hut or whatever. And then that was all and then we, there was like a gathering that we went to for the ceremony. There were like five other people there. Well, it was pretty intimate. - So what are you like right now? Like what are your takeaways? Like was it, was it crazy? - Well, the big thing, the big thing is that like, you have to have a very clear intention of why you're doing it. And to be honest with you, I did not have as clear of an intention. I expressed to them what I was trying to sort of fix and understand. - And what was that? - Which was just like this sense of self and like sense of purpose and meaning in life and like how can I live a more fulfilling life and what do I want for myself, ultimately and is the pursuit of happiness like a just pursuit or should it be a pursuit of contentment? I don't know, I had all kinds of questions and stuff and they were helpful with that. But like, when it came time to actually go in and move the pieces of my mind into place, which is kind of how they describe it. I was very nervous. I don't like hallucinating. And I was, you know, yeah, I was pretty scared. And I don't think that was good. So we drank the shit you drink it out of like a shell. It was in like a wooden cup with a ladle. And I drank it, it was horrible. It was the most putrid of soap. - How much, how many ounces? - Probably like eight ounces, six ounces. - So it took a while to drink it. - I trucked it, yeah. - Are you supposed to? - Yeah. - They're like, take it down. - And where's it taste like? Do you have any like, like what is it taste like? Like mud? - Like, imagine if you, imagine if you sucked the sugary coating off of Advil and then had to like suck a handful of Advil the rest of the way. It was really, really bitter. - Oh, I see. Okay, I know what you mean. - Yeah. - You're like, I shouldn't be drinking this. It's very offensive to my taste buds. But then it took like probably 45 minutes for me to really start to feel the effects. - Oh, wow. I thought it was like an instant. - No. - And then by the time that that was setting in, I remember feeling pretty upset. I started to cry a little bit. - Which was good. - I don't know, just like this feeling, I had a lot of guilt washing over me. And then. - Because of other stuff, because you were doing a nasty, dirty drug. - I just sort of like had these flashbacks to moments in my life where I've like gotten it wrong. - Yeah. - Well, that's bad. - Yeah. And I was thinking a lot about my parents. - If this is before it's kicked in, or it's starting to kick in, yeah. - It's kicking about the parents. It's definitely kicked in. - I can't call my mom. - Yeah. (laughing) - What's the same for her? - Turn it off. - How do you fucking pronounce that? - But yeah, so then my stomachs sort of started to turn into knots. And that was when the nausea began and they've got like a bucket there, they know you're gonna throw up everybody throws it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Did this cost anything? - Yeah. - They did it. - Or man, a leg. (laughing) - It wasn't as much as you would have thought. - Is it a thousand dollars? - It was two thousand bucks. - Oh, that's not terrible. - No, I thought it was gonna be like, I honestly thought it was gonna be like 30. - I only went for one night. I think some people go for longer. Some people will go and like do, I think they'll do multiple ceremonies. - And is there like something that they like tell you to focus on? Like do they put on hold-up? - Yeah. - So it's with three stuages or like the Lion King live action or I mean, they tell you to like pinpoint the stress points in your life. And like for me, specifically they were like, all right, I want you to think about your ego. And sort of as this like creature inside of you. - Yeah. - You know, there's a way to make it healthy and there's a way that it can work against you. And you wanna try to like push towards the healthy side of things and understand that like a confident sense of self and a healthy sense of self that's also grounded is vital to like living a balanced life. - Yeah. - And so sort of like that lasted, that lasted for probably an hour. And then I sort of started gently to like come back to. I didn't see like tunnels and lights and shit. - Oh wait, so that was it? That was like the peak? - Well, that after I threw up, it was like an hour of just being upset. - So like, are you, like, no, I can't get that. So like are you, are you, you're with five other people, or four other people? And then assuming like staff. - Yeah, I also, why'd you then throw up? - No. So everyone's kind of just like, everyone's kind of like staring into the woods. - Yeah, people are just like, and then there was like a couple there and they were like hugging each other and comforting each other. And I was like, I'm alone. - Yeah. - You should have been like, can we get them at, like get them in a room or something? - Can we not let them? - No one wants to see that. - Can we just see people throw up either? That's like watching a demon leave someone. - Yeah. - That's like darker. - It wasn't great. - Watch the log throw up. (laughing) - One thing that was cool, one thing that was cool was that they were talking about like people in my life that mattered to me and how like my treatment of them and my relationship with them and sort of how I can like, how does my ego approach those relationships and stuff like that. And when I was leaving, they gave us these like, I don't know, these like small vessels in which you can like, basically it's meant to like take you away from having relationships for the wrong reasons and you can, it's symbolic and like it, to be honest with you, I was a little fucked up when they were explaining. - Yeah, yeah. - Just all, nothing was really working that well. I was pretty numb and like loopy. But I thought I would give them to you guys because I spent so much time talking to you guys and I just thought that this would be a cool gift for-- - This is such a cool gift. - I feel like there's gonna be something where we're like, chit's gonna start going wrong in my apartment and it's all gonna be pointing back to the fucking vessel. - I mean, I would consider trying it. So yeah, so close your eyes. - You're like, why is it vibrating in the closet? - Close your eyes and put your hands out. - Why do I hear a tribe singing? - Okay, so those are, go ahead, lift, open your eyes. - Oh, hell yeah. - You didn't try it, I was at all. (laughing) - You didn't fucking try it, I was at all. - What is this? - You went on the, this is the first class. - Yeah, I think it's good to fucking doubt the flight. - I knew it, bro, you're so full of shit. - That is the toilet kit they give you in Delta one. - Really? - That was all I was good, yeah. - What? - I forgot. - That's crazy. - I flew across the country on Delta. - Yeah, he did fly across all of your Delta shit. - I always make that mistake. - Did you actually have golf with LeBron and Shay, and I'm gonna be pissed? - You know, it's really how dumb I am, is that? - I really thought it was a ayahuasca that I did this weekend. - But no, it was Delta flight to San Francisco. - When you handed us these, I didn't even think, like I knew it was the Delta thing, [BLANK_AUDIO] like, oh, it wasn't, he didn't do ayahuasca upstate, he went somewhere else. Like that's where I was. I still thought you did ayahuasca. (laughing) - My fault, guys, I really, I really, - Well, now you have to do ayahuasca. - I totally, you always do ayahuasca, 'cause I bought into-- - I was so bought in. I was ready to talk about that for the whole episode. - Yeah, it's just, I don't know, it's all blurry these days, you know? - Super, and I was about to start asking the most specific questions about what type of material you sat on and shit like that. - Yeah, my fault. - My fault. - I hate to be that guy too, but this is, Mint would put this to shame. - Oh, come on now, come on. Those are made by the hands of children in the ayahuasca community. - Yeah, in the Misoni province. - In Mint, they give you over-year headphones with a case to keep now. They collect them at the-- - Well, they do that in Delta 1, what are you talking about? - You're not a Mint guy. - No, I'm not. You having fun Delta 1, that's what that's showing about you. - I've flown Delta 1 twice, actually. - I had to get, I went both ways Delta 1, so I kept one on the way, and then it got the return as well. - So you didn't grab another one's unused return? - No. - So people have to hit me with that before. They're like, "Hey, can I have your kit?" - Wow. - It's not that, it's not that, I don't know, good. - I'm pissed. - What? - So mad that you didn't do ayahuasca? (laughing) - I wasn't really enjoying that story. - I am, I was too, to be honest with you. - Can we just live in the reality that you did ayahuasca and just talk about that? - Yeah, I mean, I feel like I basically described for you why I would go and what I would hope you get out of it. - Yeah. - And-- - So are you gonna go? - All of that was just a ploy to hand you a Delta 1 toilet kit, it's all good. - I need to sleep mask anyway. - Well, I know you'd consider doing ayahuasca at one point. - Yeah, but then I just went on regular prescription antidepressants and they worked. - Johnson and Johnson actually has an ayahuasca treatment of their own called lexapro. - Exactly. - Wow, I might have to do it. - I, I, the clip loaded with follow-up questions. - I had so many questions. - And so hard to get out on your fire. - I was getting a little suspicious. I was getting a little suspicious 'cause I feel like I, I, I, he was like, you talked about the throwing up and then you were like, and then it kind of, and I was like, I feel like that's when it's supposed to ramp up to like the next, you were like, I didn't see anything. - You guys are probably accustomed to me telling, like you were like, that's what we got the whole episode. - Oh, totally. - We're, we got it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is gonna be it. - I already, I already checked out in my head. I was done. - And I was like, and I was like, man, if the ayahuasca taught me anything, it's that I need to tell stories more quickly. (laughing) And also, especially if they're not true at all. (laughing) - Is it like a 17 hour like, it's a law, I think it's, no, no, I don't think it's that law. I think it's pretty quick, but I think it is like very intense. - Yeah, I feel like people would be, people would appreciate if we got to the bottom of this. How long does the ayahuasca trip take? - They say that when you're throwing up, it's called like, they call it purging. And you're like getting rid of, you're like, expelling like the demons from your body, and it's like an aggressive throw up. Did you look into it though? Like that seemed like there had to have been some truth there. - I mean, that place exists. - There is one up there, I didn't research much about any of it. All I really know is that I've watched, I watched like the Aaron Rogers documentary. - Oh yeah, I forgot he went to do it. - He's got the fucking paint all over his face. - Yeah, all in all the other people are like, Aaron, they're like hugging him and he's like singing. And it's like, yo, NFL MVP multiple time MVP monster. - Aaron Rogers is among us gypsies as we fucking, - That would be tough. That probably like fucks with your eye out. Like you come back from your ayahuasca trip and you're like, I guess I'm just like a huge Packers fan now. (all laughing) I'm not really sure what I got from that. - And he's like hugging these hairy armpit women and their hairs like locking up like when two rams catch hold with each other. They're just like stuck, like two face masks, like fucking brutal, yeah. 20 to 60 minutes is the onset. One to two hours is the peak and then the come down is four to six hours. - Well, I kind of nailed that. I said 45 minutes in and then I was like, it was an hour of peaking. - Four to six hour come down for an hour of peaking is pretty brutal. - Yeah, I'm afraid of it. - I bought that you, I kind of bought it that like it didn't really take for you 'cause you said it was mostly DMT and I tried to do DMT one time. - And I smoked it. It's like a powder and you just was like, that's like doing, doing, doing. - I thought that's how you're supposed to do it. I just was like vaporize it. - Yeah, but that's like smoking crack. Like you're smoking a powder. - Well, you're not, but I don't think anyone snorts DMT. Do that? - I don't know. I know people have it in like weed pens now. - Oh yeah. - But it didn't really do much for me and a lot of people were like, oh, you didn't break through. - That's not like high-roglyphs, but like that was it. - Why don't you just do it tonight, get one of those pens. - I swear to God. - The kids got a bed. - Yeah, hit the DM shirts. - I got four to six hours to kill. - Hit the DMT yard. Damn, I wanted you to have done it so bad. - Maybe I'll go do it. Maybe I'll go do it now. Now that I enjoyed telling. - I was honestly like, I was like, I like, you don't, you seem to the exact same as I was like, I feel like something, like you would be definitely be a little different if you did it. - You'd come back like Indian. - I was like, I'm fucking in the middle of a 400 dog. - Yeah, just come back wearing a fucking Sarong wearing a leather, leather, like. - You would be dead. - You would be dead for a minimalist. - I sold all my clothes. - Yeah, barefoot. - I gave them away. I don't need anything. I haven't eaten in three days. - You come in barefoot with just all of your belongings. - You sit and cross like it, looking like Rick Rubin beer and grown out. (laughing) - I see that you're wearing the shoes of the colonizer. (laughing) - Yeah, no, I went to San Francisco for the weekend. - Why did you go to San Fran? - That's even weirder. (laughing) - The fuck were you doing? - The ones San Fran. - Did you stay at the one out there? I know that your hotel was for the fuckers. - No, I stayed at the four seasons, which was sick. It was pretty good. - Were you there on VK? - No, I had to go shoot something. - Oh, business. - Yeah. - Not pleasure, no pleasure at all. - There was some pleasure. I played golf club out there, so you did golf. - So we were right. - Yeah, but that wouldn't have squared with ayahuasca. - But when you came in, - I suddenly said, "What do you guys think I did this weekend?" - I'm pretty sure I said, I'm pretty sure you golfed in San Francisco. - You didn't say San Francisco now. - I'm kidding. - Hey son of a boy at Listeners, we'll be right back. But first, a quick message from one of our partners. - Football is back. And with DraftKing Sportsbook, September comes with a boost. All September long, opt in and get a 50% profit boost every game day with the DraftKing's game day boost pass. New DraftKing Sportsbook customers sign up with a code BSS and get 50% profit boost every game day. 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It was called State Bird Provisions. It was cool. It's like this dim sum version of American food. I don't know. It was a little too chaotic to be honest with you. They bring around these trays that have like this-- it has like a sign that says like $6. And it's these like specific types of oysters or, you know, ceviche type thing. But they're coming the whole time. So you don't know really in the beginning. You're like, yeah, we'll take that. We'll take that. We'll take that halfway through. You're like, I would have passed on a few of those. Yeah. If I knew this was coming-- If I knew this was coming now, I'm not that hungry. And I've only eaten like bread heavy things. What is that like the Chinese dim sum? Like he said. Oh, that's what you did. Was dim sum? No. It is. It's exactly-- Are you serious? I didn't. I didn't know what I was going to do. That completely. I was still thinking about the ayahuasca. I did ayahuasca this weekend. I was waiting for you to wrap up. Talk about my experience. People do act like that is a proprietary. The dim sum experience is proprietary. But I saw Italian restaurant this weekend where people do that. They're like, you'll love this little Italian restaurant where they come out with like plates of spaghetti. Brazilian steakhouse does the same thing. The Brazilian-- I went to a Brazilian steakhouse and that fucked me so bad. because they bring out the best cut of them. of the steak last. And you're like, well, I just had fucking skirt steak. Like I was just hammering back chicken thigh. - Dude, I cannot, I'm not a newer mainstream. - What a Brazilian steakhouse does to your stomach. - Yeah. - You're shittin' in Anaconda. - My stomach's so fucked up. It's like not even, it's actually like unacceptable at this point. - Yeah. - But you know why and you don't choose to do anything about it. - What, why? - Well, isn't the vaping really bad for it? - I quit vaping. - Did you? - I've quit vaping like a thousand times. - No. - Yes, but no, I actually have quit. I use the pouches now. - Fantastic. - The vaping 100% fucks my stomach up. Also, so does weed, which I'm taking a break from the. - You're off the fog. - Yeah, I'm off the fog. - How long has it been? - A day. - Oh wow, so you're committed. - I'm in deep. - I think you told us yesterday you were off the fog and so if you're saying it's been a day. - When did I tell you guys yesterday? I told you this morning. - Is that what it was? - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - Yeah. - How does it feel? You feel fresh? - No, feel awful. But I feel the exact same. I feel fine, I'll be fine. I just gotta give the brain a reset, you know? - You know what's great for me? - I'm not reaching my full potential right now. - I have lost it. - Get 'em on the waska. - What's good? - Get 'em a fat cup of waska. - I'm honestly not a bad idea. The thing is, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just start doing I a waska every day. But this is how I wind down at night. - Throwin' out, it's gotta be a sippy cup. - Yeah. - Just that I'll come in on Monday and I'll be like, my stomach's fucked, bro. I don't know what's going on. - It was been a bad batch last night. I had diarrhea because usually it's just the throwing up and now I'm getting, I'm getting diarrhea on top of it. - I think that is. That was gonna be one of my first questions is that people do shit themselves off of it on the waski. I mean, that's gotta just cut right through you straight to the ass. - Yeah. - That would be like not, like if you were to do it and you were only to shit and not throw up, I would do it. - Just to get the shit out. - Yeah. - It's a natural accident. - Severe nausea vomiting, diarrhea, sweating, and increased heart rate and blood pressure. - Yeah, that sounds like hell. - Yeah. - Bless you. - Just to get a little high. Just hit the pen. - Pen. - The pen is the devil. - Well the DMT pen. - Yeah, true. - People have DMT pens. The DMs do something like that. - I see that on like Twitter all the time. - The DMT pen? - Yeah. - Or the nasal spray full of ketamine. - Yeah, yeah, I've heard about that as well. - The Leone. - Hey, you know what I'm saying? I heard the Leone has one of those. - Yeah, the one's got one. - Oh yeah, I've seen that before. Someone had that in a wedding I went to. - Leone. And someone I knew took it and didn't really know what it was. - Yeah. - And then that person ended up getting very sick from it. - All right, enough. - Can't do anything about it. - Enough already. It's performative. - What's master butoid? - You are? - Yeah. - Come on, bro. - I've been sick since I got back from Vegas. Just a little head cold. - Breathe that way. - I'm trying. - Breathe in. - Breathe in a different way. - Maybe I'll just go home. (laughing) - It looks like it feels like more like allergies though. - Yeah, it's been a, the sneezing is unbearable. - What's the fallout with the Vegas stuff? I saw the Dave wants you to live in a house. - Yeah, I don't really know. I don't even know how that's possible. I live in New York City. And I do a podcast in New York City. - Yeah, I don't really like, I mean, I don't really know. We have, I haven't talked to Dave about it. I know Jerry talked to him a little bit about it. I think Dave thinks like he sees the only way of it like really working is with a content house, which is a great idea. Like we thought about that. Like we want the players to be together regardless. But Dave obviously said me and Jerry have to live in the house full time. Jerry's got a family, two kids. - Yeah, he basically gave you an ultimatum that he knew you couldn't exceed too. - But I'm hoping that there's some sort of in between that we can work out, you know? Like where we maybe like, I don't live in Chicago full time. But like maybe if we have a tournament, like I was saying like, I think if we have a content house, I think that completely removes the need for us to go to the tournaments in person. Like obviously we want to go to the tournaments. But if we're getting all of the in-person content out of the way in Chicago. - Now I need you to sneeze again, 'cause you're no- - It's not gonna get better. - It's not gonna get better. - You know, it's gonna be like this for the rest of the day. - One more sneeze to get out. - Just allergies? - I don't know what it is. - See if there's anything in your eye, I'll ask a kid to take a little look there. - Use the socks to blow your nose. - Eastern medicine. - Start blowing your nose into that compression sock that they have in there. - Put the ear plugs in your nostrils. - That's actually a good idea. - I think that they did, it is a pro move when someone asks you for advice and you just give them something that's impossible to do. And so it's like, yeah, come back to me when like you can run a 4-2-40. - Yeah, you can bet to press 500 pounds. - Yeah, no, he knows it's impossible. But if there's a world where we do, where we are able to get a house for the guys, I think that'll be sick. I think that'll be awesome for the online tournaments. - It's so funny to me that that's how you hear what he said. - Well, he suggested it. - But he did it only to have. - Well, well, well, well, well. - There was a day between suggesting the content house and then the ultimatum. - Oh, he's got to get him back in the mood of before the ultimatum. - I'm telling you, I don't think Dave's going to put. He's not going to buy or rent a house for four. - But if you think about it. - If you think about it. (laughing) - It's not out. - But if you think about it, four bombs? - If you think about it, it would be cheaper than us going to the tournaments. - For those budget conversations that everyone's dying to hear about. - Here, Dave, we're going to save you money. There's no good way to frame it. - Buy a house for four or a half years. - There's no good way to frame any conversation where you have to ask for money. - Dude, the thing is always bad. - Even if those guys lived in a house together, they still wouldn't talk to each other. - No, they would. - They definitely would. And they would blow up all that they would get in fights all the time, and it would be good content. But I don't know, we'll figure that out. - Do you know any other brands at bar stool that have not only one budget meeting, but dozens of budget meetings? - I've never seen anything like this phenomenon in my life. I've never seen such a physical manifestation of mountain out of a mole hill. - It's just, it just doesn't stop. - They're creating bureaucracy in real time. You're creating, putting middlemen, you're creating, it's just nuts to watch. - Well, there's just a lot of shit that we have to do. I don't think, I don't know. The only bother brand that I've been a part of from the ground up is this one. But this brand, we didn't have any meetings ever. And that's how I like it. - But I don't know if that's because we didn't have meetings or if that's because the bar stool people in the background were handling everything. Like I know this brand has a budget. Like we have a budget that we're allowed to use, but it's not like we all met and sat down and broke down the numbers and we're like, we should be fine with this. - Well, my guess is that one of the reasons we don't end up having meetings is because we really don't use any of our budget. We're very, yeah, it's a cost free show. - We don't really do that. I wouldn't say it's cost free, but I mean, it's damn near. - Again, we have three brilliant producers, seven cameras, all these lights that comes with the cost. - Well, I know it comes with the cost of us being employed from bar stool, but there's no like extra cost. Like this is all of our jobs. - What was up with that discord manager fucking talking shit on MOOC? - Oh, yeah, I mean, that goes back months. - What's that all about? - Um, I mean, it's not really my thing to-- - Did you see this? This dude in Austin were basically like, how can we get fucking, how can we get MOOC out of here? - This was the end of the relationship with Austin though. This is like what sparked the whole thing. - And he's, and Austin was like, I would, but like you just, you don't understand the power of friendship. Him and Sass are friends, so I can't get rid of him. - Wow. - But I would put this, I'll put this discord manager in tell you what I bush if I could. - But this is what this was the argument that I had when I was saying that he wasn't-- - Does he know who that guy is? - We all know who he is. He's been working with us since the beginning. - Have you met him? - Yeah, my name multiple times. - Oh, he shows up. - He comes to the events, yeah. - Got it. - But like, I don't know, I don't know. I don't really got anything to say about him. Like he's fine. He does his job well. He crossed every single line and you could possibly imagine that's not doing your job well. - Well, he did. He did do his job well. Like he showed up every, like when we won the major in Atlanta, like he was like getting the players everything they needed, getting them waters, getting them food. He's like, he's keeping track of all like the statistics and stuff, like letting them players know when they have to play. Every, he was doing everything. He was just doing like all of like the little shit that no one else wanted to do. And we were like, we loved it. We were gassing him up big time. We were like, we were like phenoms, a fucking superstar. - That's his name, phenom. - Less is like, discord name. - Oh. - And then. - I didn't know if it was like he was Vietnamese and it was like, D-H-E-E-S-B-A-L. - Phenom. - No. - And we have like very funny-- - I brought waters, I got everything caught on. - We have like very funny clips of him. him like yelling in the, in the, when the, when the players are playing, like they, when the, when they're playing and they get a kill, they yell out dead, like they scream like dad. It's actually pronounced. Fuh. No. But it took me too long. It's a fucking ayahuasca. Yeah. So like we have funny clips of him yelling out dead when the players are playing like he's all that look painful, all passion, he's all passion. And then the thing happened with Austin, he's, he's DMing Austin saying that he should have MOOCs job. Obviously, like we're not going to work with him after that. The craziest thing was like Austin siding. Like that was the whole thing where I was saying, remember, I don't know if you guys remember last week when I was talking about it. And I was like Austin said, like we want us to be taking advice from like the fans. And that was who he was referring to. That's not quite as, I don't know how to put it. It's not as bad as I thought it was. It's worse. It's worse. You just don't think that. I don't think you are grasping it. I can explain it. I do grasp it. You just sang that guy's praises and said that he's a very intrinsic part of the whole operation. He shows up. He knows. There's a lot of people involved in Bush and a lot of them are very passionate and are very happy to be doing this. It doesn't mean that they are like, I don't, I don't, I don't want to like kill phenom here. But like barstool is never going to hire phenom. Right. He doesn't bring anything to the table that barstool would hire, especially now, after he publicly tried to take MOOCs job. I think I meant that when you said that Austin said you need to listen to the fans. I thought he was referring to just like random people on Twitter. But he's not like that he is. So like phenom's whole thing is that he moderates this discord. Discord is very similar to Reddit, where like it's like, essentially, it's like one big group chat. Like you, you all, like it's all about, there's like, we have like, there's probably like a hundred dudes in there every day that are talking and and shitting on us and talking about the bush, which is whatever. That's what all of those things are for. Phenom texted MOOC a list of like suggestions from the discord. If you look at the discord, these people are just ragdolling on us constantly, which again, I don't care. That's what that discord is for. That's what they're going to do with it. But that doesn't mean like we got to be in there looking at their suggests. Yeah, they're not pony. No, no, exactly. And sing in their praises. So MOOC responded to phenom and was like, I don't give a fuck what the discord is saying. Like I'm not, we're not listening to those guys. Very valid. If you read the discord ever, you would understand that is an extremely valid response to that. And then phenom sent that to Austin pretty much saying like MOOC won't listen any of our suggestions. Like he's not doing a good job, et cetera, et cetera, whatever crazy move by phenom to try to publicly take MOOC's job. And then the craziest thing is that Austin sided with phenom. Like is that not fucking like I get like barstools a place of like tough love and stuff. And that's like you're, you're, you're literally going against an employee of the company that you're supposedly like stand for like he's like this is all like like you know what he talks about. He has the conversations where he's like, Jerry's one of the one of the dumbest guys we got. And it's like, well, if it's a whole we thing like why are you publicly why are you publicly talking shit about one of your employees to a discord that's like if if someone on like Reddit's like Kate should be off the act and then in the responses and like yeah, what the fuck is like even if Austin hates MOOC, that's not something you do. I wouldn't like if me and you got an argument, I wouldn't go on the Instagram, I wouldn't be replying to Instagram DMs being like, yeah, France is needs to fucking figure his shit out. Like that's cool. Like talk to a fucking therapist. That's not a conversation you have with a fan of barstool. And I don't want to like I know if I said phenom does a lot, but at the end of the day he's a fan of barstool, like he's obsessed with barstool, like it's crazy. Yeah. I was just thinking, I don't know what I was thinking. I think that I think that people in these communities, they make it seem like what they're sharing is fundamental truth. And if they were to allow and we do it here at barstool to where it's like if you allow the truth to actually seep in, which is that like none of this is either necessarily correct or that there are other opinions out there or that there are more important people and things happening, then it punctures that bubble that you've created. So I don't really have a whole lot else. I was trying to just get really philosophical. It's nice. I've been enjoying your philosophical takes. I like you even philosophically coming in being like ego and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, that is something that I've been really struggling with in truth. If I were to go to an ayahuasca retreat, I would be trying to do it for that reason. You know who would be better at a ayahuasca retreat than you, phenom, maybe phenom will be better than all of us. I'm not going with that guy. I stand with MOOC. We should just have phenom on the show. MOOC is my buddy. I like MOOC a lot. I mean, if you've met, if you ever have met MOOC and you've met Austin and you've met phenom, it's pretty easy to walk away from this one and be like, yeah, MOOC's definitely the most sane person in this. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I just had to bring it up because I saw who published the DMs between phenom and Austin because phenom did. He thought he posted them to the Discord thinking it was going to like, like, bail them out. And then like, because he like pretty much runs the Discord, like they look at him like he's God. Dude, the whole time you were talking, I was just thinking about how my ayahuasca healer would have coached me through that situation. I like, it was, it's like the Louis bit where like I literally imagined that I had done it. How did she tell me how did mother counsel me through these moments? Those trips are hard because like I was I'm empathizing with you as if you had done it as well because like you, you seek this like greater meaning and then maybe you'll get a shred of truth and then you like try to hold on to it so tight and then you wake up the next day. You're like, wait, what was it? What was the fucking universal truth that I learned from that? Like you just got to leave those, like you're leaving those places, like, and you're like, I just got fucked up last night. It's all that happened. No, no, no, no, no people need no, you didn't do it. You've never done ayahuasca talking, you're talking from the same thing as all of us. Where do you think I got these three catchers from? I think there is something everyone says it fundamentally rewires. They don't want to admit they just paid $2,000 to go get who made us the price. Like, no, you get it. It's probably more. It's probably more $10,000 to get fucking retarded for 30 minutes and then leave and be like, I feel like I'm a better person now. I actually, I actually better than all of you get it now. Yeah, well, I'll be honest with you. I didn't even do it and I had, I didn't, your story didn't bother me. Like all of that, I just, I pictured it as like drops of water rolling off my shoulders into an infinite ocean that never rises above my ankle bones. Yeah, you're right. I'm honestly, I, I'm glad we ended that story when we did because I'm probably sick of tired talking about it. Yeah, I'm a little sick of talking about it. I feel like I got everything out that I wanted to say last week. I think that's fair. And you did a great job. It was an all time episode, probably the best one we've ever done. Well, I don't know about that. Let's put it this way. That's the hardest I've ever laughed at anything you've ever said and your maybe professional comedian, maybe the hardest I've ever, maybe the hardest, certainly the hardest I think I've laughed on the podcast and probably the hardest I've laughed truly out loud in like five to 10 years. I was, I was so much pain. I think the hardest I've ever laughed on the podcast is when we had war mode on and you asked Billy if he was a flat earther and he was like, well, I'm not married to the globe. Here's a funny little, little segue, okay? Yeah. Funny little thing. When I was flying home yesterday, I, you know, they bring you the food in Delta one. Yeah. I had the chicken. Fucking astronaut food. It was pretty solid. It was fine, 20,000 milligrams of sodium. Yeah. Definitely. It's delicious. What are you talking about? Are you trying to disparage Delta all of a sudden? I'm not. I love Delta. You just forget who you are. I love Delta seats. The one thing you should not have that they bring are those little shrimp, uh, like poison. Those have never been in water. Yeah. That is. I would not eat that. Never. Those are in water. Those are like true shrimp. They're maggots, really all it is, their earthworms that have been petrified into the shape of a hook, but, um, they took our food away and I'm sitting next to a guy who, he's wearing like a Cypress quarter zip, which is one of the sickest golf clubs in the gun. So he's my age. So you know, you're going to talk. Well, I was going to be some talking on it all. already talked to him a little bit and he's in the aisle and I'm into the left of him. And she comes by and she's got, she's got these like it was the dessert portion and it was you could either do like cheese and nuts or you could do this sort of like. I guess it was like a tiramisu bar, right? And I was like, I'll do the chocolatey thing. She handed it to me and she was like, I'll be right back with your spoons and I went, that's okay. I'll just eat it with my hands. And she went, what? And I then picked it up and it was so soft. It was like cream. I thought it was going to be like, I thought it was like a brownie and my fingers just went right through the middle of it and dude, me and this dude started laughing so fucking hard. I was so embarrassed. She watched me just go like, try to pick it up and just have it all. It's all over my hands and I went, I thought it was solid. Oh, that's like picking up phone. Yeah. It's like picking up a bubble bath. And I licked my fingers and I was like, I'll take the spoon. She's like, I thought you might damn that's hilarious. That's pretty fun. You're going right through. Yeah. Pinch through. Speaking of that, or I guess kind of if we're just going, we're going to some loose transitions here. I'll watch the back rooms last night. Okay. That's nothing to do with Frances. Well, kind of have you seen it? No, they go through a wall. They go through the wall and it's very what's the back room straight through. No, no crunch or breaking open. It's probably one of the worst movies ever made. I thought people love that. Bro, that movie was fucking retarded. I never knew. And it was one of those horror movies. It came out right when obsession came out. Okay. So it was very overshadowed by obsession. But like right when they both came out, the talk of the town was like, oh, obsession in the back rooms just came out. And then it slowly became obsessions and theaters. Yeah. And then it was no one's talking about the back rooms. You didn't love read for the lead role of it? Of obsession. Not back rooms. Which actually is, it does, it's funny. That does make sense because it's such like a low budget like indie film. That was that mean. It means life's not getting auditions to be in fucking Marvel movies. That means level will be paid in pizza. But I don't live by the way. Great guy. No, no, I didn't throw him one of the bus you tried to make it that I threw him on. You were easy. You tried it. I was saying that you got no, you tried audition for a sick movie. But you were like, oh, no, yeah. The way that you said it was like that didn't happen. And then I justified Lev's comment and said it actually, no, that's true. He did get an audition for the better movie of the two. And I was trying to big him up. And then you thought he got an audition for the worst one. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Your saying is dog shit. You said that obsession was great. I didn't watch either of them. So I would know that it's not that good. But it's better than the background. So that's for sure. I just thought it was cool that Lev had an audition for something. You're like, well, he's not a, he's not in Marvel shape. And now you were trying to what do you mean anyone want me to put them on the spot and say nasty things about him, which I would never do. No, you just intentionally voluntarily said nasty things. I heard, I heard you were with my boy Pete this weekend as well. Booter judge at the nicest. He big guy, hard to miss tallest guy you've ever seen. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They stand owns that spot. Yeah. That spot now. Where was it Chelsea musical? Yeah. Oh, cool. How do you know they bought Chelsea musical? Because we were looking at that as a venue for me to potentially film something. Really? Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah. Seelings are a little low. Yeah. Is that what you came up with? No, I may have done shows there before. How was it? The pens. Seelings are kind of low. But that's what you want. You want low ceilings. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I also feel like the ceilings aren't very low. No. I've done a couple shows there. It's fun. I mean, it's good club. Yeah, great club. It's I don't, I wouldn't say it's as good as the stand, like their main. I wouldn't even call it a club. Dude, I'm in such a weird place right now, mentally. Like I literally was so convinced that I had done ayahuasca that I'm now seeing all of this conversation as though how I would react. I would love to find out that you did do it. And you just kind of like got nervous and bailed halfway through that conversation. That would be awesome. Did you hear Snoop Dogg's story about ayahuasca this week? He basically said that he did ayahuasca one time and it was a terrible experience. And he thought he died for 15 minutes and literally was hovering over his body watching his body from like outside of it. Yeah. I'm good on that dude. I met a couple guys out in San Francisco who are part of their members of the Bohemian Grove. Oh, you know about that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Are they like? So it's like, it's not crazy. Yeah. Coming from three guys that are members of Bohemian Grove. Yeah, sense. Actually, pretty laid back. Bohemian Grove is what? The kids want to be there. We were making, we were making the joke. They were like, if anything, it's gay. Yeah. It's just men going into the woods and listening to folk musicians play the guitar. Yeah. And talking a little bit with like the head of the treasury about what interest rates are going to do in the next year. Yeah. What interest rates are going to do? Yeah. Yeah. They're deciding if we should invade Iran or not. I'll tell you why what's happening. And I hope my dad wouldn't mind saying that my dad's been and he's the most normal person alive. He's not out there burning children at the fucking stake. That's what you think. I know. I would never disparage your father. I would hope. I'm not going to disparage your father either. But it's like his dad left. Who won't you fucking disparage your phenom? This is you. This is all you. What did he say about it? He said it was cool. Like, you know, you see interesting people. There's really talented artists. There's like artists that come and, you know, tell stories or they play music or whatever. And then other than that, it's just like rich dudes. And but I thought all the most of the history was from like more in the past than it is now. I mean, it's still pretty vibrant now. It's a certain number of weekends of the summer. I tried to watch a documentary about it and the only one that was out there was made by Alex Jones. Yeah, exactly. I think it's like him narrating the whole thing. By the way, if you're still aligned on anything in the world with Alex Jones, you need to kind of go another way. I think he's been at this point discredited. He's been compromised for a minute. St. Andrews took over. Sure. Okay. Jesus Christ. Anyway, well, it's true. I mean, he had all these opinions and then all of his opinions completely 180'd. What do you think that that is anything to do with that massive lawsuit that he lost where he has to pay a billion dollars? Yeah. He doesn't have money like that. He doesn't have the cash. I mean, he's a piece of shit. He's a bad guy. He hasn't had the cash to freely think anymore. He's a bad guy, but he's also compromised. Okay. That twisted. Well, either way, my point is that the Bohemian Grove that the somehow conspiracy theory latched on found it latched itself onto it. And then these guys that I was hanging with who are normal and like one of them had gone recently, he said that as he was driving out of it after the weekend of like, you know, camping and doing all this fun stuff and getting fucked up that like as he drove out of the gates of the forest or whatever, there were like 40 fucking paparazzi slash conspiracy theorists like with their cameras desperately trying to get shots of whoever was leaving. Yeah. What a how pathetic. Imagine staking that out. I want it. I want to be on your side here, but I'm having a hard time. I'll be honest. I guess my point is if you do assume that there is nothing going on there. Yeah. That's pathetic. If you assume there's nothing going on there. But that is my assumption because my dad went. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I don't think it's like maybe my dad's like, we can't trust him. We're not going to show him where we fucking filet the kids. Stuck about him on his podcast. Yeah. His son's got a big mouth. It's like they showed him what North Korea shows tourists. This is where we have our folks songs where you camp fires. Yeah. It's more. Would you like a smore? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't, I don't, I really don't know. When the cops show up and what's that movie where they have the house party and it's a project. It's a great movie and all the people in the back just quietly. Yeah. Yeah. Have a good evening. Have you ever seen that Friday beer sketch with Will Angus? He's like shows up on the 4th of July. Yeah. I did. They're all hiding under the balcony. That was pretty darn good. Yeah. Funny. I don't know a lot about Bohemian Grove. I heard about it. I think on a war mode episode and then I tried to like do look into it and then I couldn't really find anything. I would assume it's probably there's probably nothing crazy happening there. Correct. It's crazy not to if you think that there's like pedophilia going on to like wait by the gates and try and grab a picture. What are you doing? Like that's not helping. Yeah. You really think there's kids a couple miles away down in the woods that are, you know, getting abused. Yeah. It's got a closer shot maybe. Let's let's let's fucking get photos of the perpetrators. Are there any like notable like famous people that have gone there? I mean, I know like like presidents. Like Ronald right or no, like Richard Nixon or some shit, am I thinking of Camp David? I know they all went to Camp David, but there was like some singing in the woods. Well, Camp David, like a part of like the government owns it. The what you that's the president sort of retreat. Um, I think the idea there was like, let's build a Bohemian Grove just for the president. Bohemian Grove East Coast. If you're a pedophile, but don't like long flight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get a home game. Imagine Camp David. Hey, we just got the brochure for Camp David. What a fuck, can we, can we look up celebrities that have been to Bohemian Grove also like, are they paying the folk singers and also like, I think that artists get some kind of free membership. Like you can be an artist member, but you have to perform every time there's an expectation that you will do, you will present your art and somewhere. So it's a corporate gig. Yeah. Yeah. And they're getting them. You must get paid. You should have honestly tried to get in on that, Francis. Well, I just have no idea really. I don't know much myself about what the point of doing it is other than kind of making connections. Jimmy Buffett. All right. Let's good people there. Conan O'Brien. Conan and Jimmy Buffett. Yeah. Jimmy Buffett. I think this my place, my rule. Yeah. Exactly. And the woods with your boys listening to a live Jimmy Buffett concert. I knew Henry Kissinger went, I knew that, um, yeah, I mean, it would be cool to like listen to the world leaders and thought leaders tell you kind of a little bit more of the inside scoop on what's happening with, you know, foreign policy and, I don't know, going camping with Michael Bloomberg sounds like ass. Yeah. But I think that a lot of the camps are much more like clampy. Yeah. And kind of really juget up a little, if you go at the right people, you know who I think has a camp like that, a fucking Papa John, no, no, not Papa John, Jimmy John, oh, is that it says Nixon said long time member who famously referred to the camp in tapes as the most faggy god damn thing you can ever imagine that's Nixon, that's Nixon saying it. That's crazy. I haven't heard that word in a lot faggy, like an adjective, yeah, well, I mean, that was probably 68 when he said that, when did your dad go, uh, once they stratified it, yeah, once it wasn't gay anymore, once my dad was like, okay, now we're good. So does that mean that Nixon wasn't a fan of it? Or was that like he's saying, a ringing endorsement, yeah, he went all the time, but he thought it was gay. And that's kind of what I said that's sort of nice. Yeah. It just sounds great, but sometimes a guy's got to, got to hang out with guys in the woods. Yeah. Come on. What are we talking about? So they're like boy scouts. Where are we supposed to hang out? It can't all be on the golf course or at the, no, sometimes you got to get a, you got to get a creek sometimes. Yeah. You got to get to a creek. Can't just be in the discord. Yeah. No, no, you got it. You got to touch grass. Like people joke about it, but you really do. Yeah. You got to smell earth. You got to rub pine sap on your fingers. You got to unite the clans too. Did I even tell you guys about the moose that we saw in Wyoming? We did. Oh, it was fucking crazy. We've seen a bunch in Wyoming, like the place that we usually go in northern Wyoming, we see like hundreds and they're like right around where we're fishing and you just got to be like super alert the whole time. This place that we were at, like we, there was, we were kind of under the assumption that like there's pro, we heard coyotes at night, but that was it. There's a shit ton of like cattle around. So we were like, there's probably not like bears or anything like that. We saw one moose the whole time and it was like we were turning the corner of a river on the bank and we saw, we saw the moose and it was sitting down across the river, like very, like probably like a hundred feet. And then it got up and it was when it got up, it was the size of like a, it's like the room. It's the size of the room. Like a, like a ram pick up truck. Wow. That's a good cop. I was wondering what you were going to pull like fucking like a literal house. Yeah. And then it starts running towards us. It crosses the river towards us and we immediate like it crossed the river, which by the way was so deep, like we couldn't cross the river because it was like up to our necks. It walked through the river. Their legs actually extend down. That's what it looked when they go into the river. It's body did not get wet. They, it's like a tripod. They unhook one of the buckles and you can let it down. Yeah. Just give it a kick. Yeah. The spider from Wild Wild West. Yes. Yeah. And then it, and then we started walking the other way and luckily it turned, it turned to the opposite way. When it turned and it started running, I've never seen a moose run like that. I mean, it must have been going a hundred miles per hour. What was your plan when it started? What would you have done? We had bear spray. So like if we, does it do moose are they? Yeah. Yeah. They would have to go to that. It would, I mean, it would, it would, it would, yeah, it would definitely respond to that. Can you climb a tree to get away from a moose? Yeah. That's probably a decent one. But there were no trees around. There's like moose are mostly in like meadows with a lot of like bushes and shit. Oh, who, who had, who had the bear spray on them all through you? We tripled up. Did where you guys, were you guys like locked and loaded when it all started? You guys all had hands on weapon? Yeah. Of course. Really? Yeah. Bro, I, you're walking through the woods with your hand on it the whole time. Holy shit. Really? Because dude, the, like the, it's not like when you get in, at least from what I understand, like I, I don't think it's like when you get attacked by, or you get, you know, like attempted to be attacked by like a moose or a bear. It's usually not like they see you from a mile away and they're like, I'm gonna fucking kill this person. It's usually like you scare them and it scares you. And then it attacks you. So it's like if you're going through like the deep woods and stuff, like you have to be like making a lot of noise. So you know, you're walking and you're just constantly, you're like, hey moose, hey moose, like stuff like that. Wait. Do you say hey moose or hey bear? You know what, what area you're in. You know which neighborhoods belong to which? Oh, you kind of can get an idea. Yeah. Why? Because like if you're on better schools, bears are not going to go to places where there's people or there's like any signs of people, like they, like they will, but they won't they have bigger backyards. Yes. They're in the deep, deep woods. So that place that we hiked the first half of the trip, like that was, like grizzly country. Like when when Bo talked to the rancher that owned it, he was like this whole area is called the kill zone. Oh, and he said that the elk come through here in the mornings and the bears camp out and then they take down the elk that I thought bears, I thought bears were buying large plant eating. Oh, I mean, I'm sure it's a little bit every I mean they eat salmon. I know. Yeah. But I thought like grizzly bears, by and large, I didn't know grizzly bear would eat an elk. Is that up, please Tyler? That's where the guy told us unless he was just fucking with us, which I did have some suspicions about. I wouldn't know. I was like, are you sure that guy wasn't just saying that to like make us scared? He said the area that we were camping and they called it, he said that's where they get all their kills. Wow. Yes. The elk. Okay. Uh, you learn something new. Listen. I don't need to know. You don't need to know that. I'm stupid. You've made it this far in your life without knowing it. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, there's a kill zone nearby going the other way. All right. I'm smart enough to know that. We already set up our camp completely and just decided. Yeah. When the three of you guys walk, who walks first, surprisingly on the way there, it was me. Wow. I was leading the charge because, uh, so that means you had to be the one that discharge your service weapon. If he comes at you, because if one of the guys in the back shoots the, the bear mace, if the rest of you guys are going to get fucking cross fired, if we came across a bear, in a situation where we needed to use the spray, we all would have gotten fucked up. The bear included and all of us included with the mace with the mace. Yeah. Bro, we have three. The, the, the bear spray, it, it's like probably the size of like this bottle. It completely disposes of all of the spray in five seconds. Oh, you got one shot. You have one. They say you're supposed to like kind of like burst it, like like tap it. Otherwise, the barrel gets too hot or the barrel gets too hot or it just, like, just dumps it. Yeah. But I guarantee like if, like it's easy to say in the moment, if we came across a grizzly bear, it would have been all your empty in the clip, just spray in that shit everywhere. Yeah. I know what I would have done. I would have thrown it into its mouth and then pulled out. Oh, yeah. She just wanted to. Yeah. That smart job style. Yeah. Yeah. Mythbusters did a thing and said that that wouldn't have worked. Fuck mythbusters. No. Come on. Mythbusters needs. That was a great show. Mythbusters. Like when I thought grizzly bears only eight blueberries. Myths are important though. Myths are important to the building of, of societies. I think mythbusters was like peak life in America society. Society busters. Yeah. Once they busted all the myths, like we, like, fell apart. We need our myths. I would always go from mythbusters to nutbusters. Oh, yeah. Which was just porn. Yeah. Crankin. Just get a quick crank in after your myths have been busted. I would go right on to, right from mythbusters and dig nutbusters. My favorite myth just got busted. Now I'm going to have to jerk off. Feel better. I just saw a ball guy with a mustache doing experiment and a rock hard. I mean, that was peak like you were like, I was a kid. You throw on Mythbusters, that episode, maybe you've seen that episode, then you throw on Deadliest Warrior on Spike. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Pete Lyft, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that that show did make being a scientist and an engineer's team cool. Oh, and there's nothing that does that anymore. No, nothing. Scientists and engineers look like losers now because of the fucking AI development, and say you're done with that, you throw on a little river monsters. Yeah, that looks cool. I mean, they had everything or a cheerleading competition on ESPN too. Exactly. Sure. They got nothing anymore. I turn on the TV now and I don't even know what to watch. Say my TV, my TV went alphabetized instead of numerical recently, and I don't know how to change it back. It's been fucking devastating. That's pretty brutal. It was dark as hell. I mean, are you on K, are you still ripping cable? I rip it off, but of course I keep cable. Like if you're watching like it say we obviously we got ball coming up soon. Yeah, which I mean, I mean, I need it. I need it more than ever. I don't like I've ever needed a little mad starting to feel that the balls come. Oh, it's been. I've been itching for a minute. This Sunday is there. There will be football on this Sunday and then every sunday until February 19th. Yeah, but it's almost like it's like if you like I want football back so bad, but if you're really sitting down and you're watching those preseason games, you're a fucking lunatic. Yeah, that's your sick, you're addicted to football. Yeah, was baseball level autism. Yeah, it's trickle-on to guys that aren't even on the team play in the fourth quarter of that. See if you I want to see who the best guy in the 90s. Yeah, I'm making the 53, a one ball, AJ Brown won't even be there reading on the sideline. He's telling AJ Brown with that drop. Now there's like a back shoulder throw. Drake may hit him in the hand. He fucking dropped it. Watching watching the owners talk about how much budget space they have. I wonder if Bohemian Grove was talking about the tell your I bush probably want to get in as partners. Hey son of a boy ad listeners will be right back, but first a quick message from one of our partners. It's Fran from chicks in the office. The weather is getting cooler and Abercrombie's fall drop has everything I need for the season. The best selling A and F Sloan Taylor pant is a closet staple for me. I'm always wearing it to work events. Happy hour anytime. I want to be a bit more dressed up. And the viral Dylan dress is easy, one and done perfection, but my fall uniform will always be denom pair with a Henley sweater, a raw free top. It's comfortable effortless. It just never fails. Find your fall capsule at Abercrombie shop in the app online and in stores. All right. Now back to the episode. It's actually a great name. Bohemian Bush. There's some commercial that they talk about a girl's trip to tell you ride. Always makes me think you brothers. You guys ever going to get out to tell you ride. We were going to go there. Me and Bo and Matt were going to go there instead of Wyoming. Is that still on the table? What? You guys going on another trip this year? No, not this summer, definitely not, but we're going in the winter. We already have one. Really? Where are you going to go? The Bahamas. Oh, bone fishing. Oh, yeah. So hard. Yeah. Cool. But it's going to be like we've weighed the options. It's already hard. Like it's fishing's hard regardless, especially fly fishing. Like it's not easy. I would much rather get skunked and then be in the Bahamas. 100% yeah. I'd much rather not catch anything and be in the Bahamas than not catch anything and be surrounded by mosquitoes in the woods. Seems like they're not biting today, boys. It's going actually the ocean time for a peanut butter. Yeah. Exactly. Luckily, we have massages and half an hour. So yeah, Bohemian and Matt driving into the ocean club and a Aston Martin, like fucking Daniel Craig and the James Bond. Yeah. It's going to be sick. And also, Bo's dad has done this trip. He does it like every year with his like best friend. Bo has a dad. I thought he just like appeared. No, he's a great actor. That's like when you saw the video of Clavicular's Dad. Did you see that? No, I didn't. I didn't. Clavicular with his dad. I know his dad like hates him. His dad was like such. You could tell he was like such a good dad. He was like so happy. Oh, shit. I didn't see this. Yeah, when he's in his clavicular as a kid. Yeah, he graduated. And his dad was like, come on. He's like rubbing him and fucking. It was so fucking sad. But don't you always wonder with that? It's very easy for the dad to appear to be a great dad. You don't end up with Clavicular and you're great. You're not just a great fucking dad. That's not necessarily true. I think that so much can happen. I think parents can get everything right and kids can still turn out shitty. But this isn't like your kid, you know, maybe he drinks too much. This is your kid is smashing his face with a hammer every night to try to rework the structure of his jaw. Has such a reductive view of women that that can't be like your parents did a phenomenon like like maybe they did a good they did something wrong at the same time. He's like 18. Yeah, but I think you could also write you're right. I don't know. I think you just like found hype. Yeah, you're in my cloud and was like, I'm going to follow that. Yeah, but he knows a lot of the terms. He's I've heard him say hypertrophy too much for it to just be him riding a trend. He doesn't seem like he's like dumb. Like it seems like he's very well like he understands what he's talking about. Yeah, I think he struck a nerve and then continued to hit that nerve. Yeah, I mean, he's got to be making millions of dollars. So I guess it's not the worst. Yeah, he broke my heart seeing him, but I thought that he had just spawned. Same way bow did yeah, right. So are you going to so you're going to be on a boat down there. No, no, that's waiting as well. Like you're just walking. You're going to be walking the flats of the Bahamas. You can do it from a boat though. Oh, yeah, it's way easier. Significantly more expensive. I'm on just got a hotel down the Bahamas. The Bahamas. That's actually what they're. No, that's pretty sick. That would be a good name. I don't know if anyone's gotten that across their desk. We with four plate. One of the coolest trips we ever did was down there. We went to this place called the Obaco club with good, good. And it was the most beautiful place. Did you have to take like another flight once you landed? How did we do it? No, we flew right into we flew right into. I saw. Maybe it was NASA, but maybe it was also some other small, slightly smaller place. I don't know. The place that we're going to go. I think we got to we got to take like a tiny plane. Once we land, like a six person plane. Yeah, pedal jumper. Yeah, that might be too much for for your boy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I got that name. You've done it. Yeah, and I don't like it. I've been in multiple places where it's cute. I've to go like multiple stops on the way. Somewhere. It's fucking terrible. It's something very disconcerting about knowing there's only one pilot flying the plane. On a plane that like, it's just like if dude, if you have a just his store or if you, if that guy's, we're all, you're looking around. You're like, does anyone play video games here? Does anyone do flight simulation? That's the next step. We were to be my, me and my bodies were talking about it last night. Like the what comes after this phase of video games, it can only be just super realistic simulators. Yeah, right. Just driving around on the tractor all night. Guys, I feel a little cooped up. I'm going to go out and mo. You guys want to meet on the tractor in 15 minutes. Yeah, I'm going to go mo the yard. Yeah. Rosal would do the train. He would run like, I probably would do the subway. Yeah, you'd just be in New York. I'm going up to Queensborough. Yeah, I'm going to Murdo, Murdo, Wycoff. That's definitely the next step. I played so much Counter-Strike this weekend and it's just, I've just gotten to a point where I just, I don't know how much more I can give, you know. I've given everything I have. The game's not asking any more of you. It's just like, bro, I don't know. Would I be lying if I said this didn't have, this wasn't a big factor in the weed break? I got it. I got to get back to just clear-headed gaming. Wow, that's sad. It's sad, but it's also good. You're saying that your gaming was not, you didn't do well because you were too high. I can't, no, I can't tell if it's the weed has slowed me down so much that I'm so bad at games now or if I've just gotten older and I'm just not good at games anymore. I see. All I know is I was playing Black Ops to this weekend and it was like I had never left. I mean, I was probably the best player ever. When you're off the weed. What do you mean? Is this once you quit weed or is this even before that? You were still sick at it. No, no, this is before. I was still sick at it. You just counter-strike, bro. I'm so like. So weed is specifically causing issues for you and counters? Well, it's causing issues in a lot of different places. Game specific problems. I think it's where I'm noticing the cognitive decline. But you said it's like Joe Biden, the cognitive decline. You said it helped you in Black Ops though. No, it doesn't help with anything. It doesn't help. But it didn't hurt. I play Call of Duty doesn't hurt because I'm already like I know how to play Call of Duty. I think your incredible run in Black Ops proves that weed is not the problem. I don't know what the problem is. I think it's that you're not smoking enough. I don't think it's just I'm not Russian. I'm not good at counter-strike. You play against these guys. They're all fucking Russian. They've all been playing it since they were three years old and they're all so fucking good. It's like if you tried, Francis, it was like if you tried as hard as you tried to be good at lacrosse as a child and then you were the worst player ever. I mean, I think that's true for people, that people experience that. But with like a video game, like it shouldn't be like that. I don't, why not? I mean, if you, if you like in video games to sports and some people are going to be inherently talented and have the capacity for. We're talking about like I understand that others don't, but this is not excellence. We're talking about like the, I mean the worst lobbies that you can be in and I'm the worst player. I don't believe you. I think you're being a little dramatic. I don't think you're bad. I'm not. I'm sorry. If I picked up a controller tomorrow, you would kill me. No, I don't think I win this game. I genuinely think it would be pretty even. I think we could probably set that up. We couldn't. We have no way of doing it. There's no way. It's not a controller game. It's a PC. It's mouse and keyboards. My first time playing a game on mouse and keyboard. You're right. We can't find another person that has a computer now in New York. Well, maybe that's why you suck, because you just suck at the like mechanism of the game. I do. Well, that's it. So don't be so hard on yourself, maybe a little self love, maybe a little Iowaska. You have to do like your 10 placement, Matt. You have to do 10 placement matches to get your, you have to win 10 matches to get your rank for the new season, which just began. I got my 10 placement. I finished them on sat on Friday night. I'd literally almost cried when they gave me my rank. It was like, what did I just do? I would have been better off just not playing. Only college you got into was the community college type of like it was like the only college you got into was like, and you got denied from one of them from community college. Bro, what, I saw this clip of MOOC getting ranked. Yeah, yeah, this was worse than that. Gold three, but what was bad about that? Why is that bad? Well, he was so disappointed. He went, gold three. Gold three is really bad. It's bad. It's really bad because it looked like he had achieved something because he did a, it's the same for every game. Like that game, Call of Duty, they just started a new season, so you have to do your placement matches again. He completed his and you get put in a rank based on those matches. MOOC prior to that was diamond three, which is pretty good, but also the ranked system in Call of Duty has been broken, which MOOCs always been gold three. But this specific season, he was like what people would consider a good rank, like a top. What are you? I don't play Call of Duty anymore. So I don't know what's Jerry. If I can't, it's hard for me to say, but like, if MOOC is diamond three, I'm here at Descent. I'm top of the game. I'm the best ever. I see. Okay. Which MOOCs going to be so mad hearing that he's, he's, you're better than he is. Would he admit that? No. He wouldn't. No. Jerry, as good as you are, give the ranking, you, Jerry and MOOC, who's the best? Who's the worst? If I'm playing consistently, it's me. If I'm not playing consistently, it's Jerry. So MOOCs, the worst. Yeah. That's so sad. He's really thrown everything in behind this. Well, he's not. I mean, it doesn't matter if he's good or not. Well, that's kind of why I think the phenom deserves the job. Phenom's probably worse than MOOC. Let's put it this way here. You say it doesn't matter, but I have had a litany of sports coaches throughout my life and knowing that one of them had an illustrious career himself. Exactly. Gave me, it made it easier for me to buy into what they're selling. But that's why we're not the coaches because they don't respect our opinions based on the of the game. But your general managers or whatever, like, we, we know enough, like, we all know how the game works. I would say, like, our knowledge of the game is probably above 99% of the average player because we've, the amount of, call of duty that we've consumed this year alone is ridiculous. The amount of, call of duty I've consumed is ridiculous. Exactly. It's my whole feed is bush clips. Yeah. I'm like, I don't even think I follow the account. Yeah. I definitely do. No, I'll, good, I don't care. No, I do. I do. I follow it. And I find it very funny. Like, that clip of MOOC going gold. It's unbelievable. So because due leading up to that, I had kept on fucking with him and being like, you're not, like, bro, like, if you're diamond three, I'm the best, I'm top 250 in the game. And he would kept on being like, no, man, like, you're, like, we were joking around about it. And then he got his placement back and he was gold three. It was very funny. But if MOOC knew what I was in Counter Strike, like, he would never let me hear the end of it. Like, he's gold three in Counter Strike, I would be considered like, like bronze one, which is lower, intro, they call that like you, like, it's like, I'm the rank of someone who's just picked up the game for the first time. Right. Sad, bro. Sorry to hear that. Just give that shit up, bro. I know. I'm going to. Ron, I was listening to, um, Jerry did a podcast with Optic the, yeah, yeah, he was talking about you on it. Who? Hitch. What do you say? He was just saying he's like a huge battle rap fan. Until like, he said he's been, he listened to your first ever battle rap, like, live when it was happening. That's fucking nuts. Yeah. Like the one where you were like in that random, like, shop. Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. The guy didn't have three. He didn't have three versus, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a man. It's an all time one. Yeah. That's a classic. He's the man. He's always been super supportive whenever he would reach out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That podcast is really good. I just see how they just are like sitting across from like a desk from each other. I just wouldn't know where to look. No. No, I would have no. I was thinking about that exactly. Yeah. Just making direct eye contact for like an hour. It's not like a very broad desk. Like they're both tied. Same camera shot. Yeah. So it's like, where do you just, you just square up with someone for a fucking, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's essentially like going on like a date. Yeah. Like that's, it's that intimate. Yeah. That's the only thing that I have. I would worry about that on like anything to be like, if I did do like Rogan at any point, like I'd be looking at the fucking, I'd be looking at Jamie two hours straight. I wouldn't, I wouldn't worry about it, brother. No, I'm not. I'm not sweating too much, but I just think I'm just joking. No, I think about that all the time, especially the most awkward is when someone has to sing. It's like, where do you look when you have to sing? Oh, like on Rogan. No, no, not on Rogan in like real life. Fuck you. We need to sing. You have to sing? You've probably never been around something that has to sing about. You're like, I was going to sing something. I get what Roan's saying. You think so, is that ever a situation that any of us aren't perioki performances? You're a karaoke, you're fucking bling. I heard you're a good singer. Sing this song for me. There's been, I've had- You're putting that a lot. I have. I have. Yeah, like people are like, give us a bar. No, it's the other way around when I'm like, someone's going to sing. I'm like, well, I won't look at you, but like, can you sing that? Oh, you put people in that position. I've been in situations where someone else has to perform and to calm them down. I tell them I'm not going to look them in the eye. Harry, what do you mean? I see what you mean. I see what you mean. All this is is that one person isn't is singing and the other person is watching and it's awkward. Yes. Because like, imagine looking into someone eyes and- It's the whole point in sight. I get it now. I get it now. It's like a usher concert. If you look into their eyes. Who's ever sang on Rogan? I'm sure fucking, you know, that one dude did for sure. Oh. Yeah. You know, who? Richmond, North America. Yeah. Of course. Oh, that guy. I thought you were going to say Kanye. Lee Singer on Rogan. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. That was so far. They had him doing shows at the mothership. I remember. What a weird time that was. Yeah. Imagine buying tickets to a comedy show and then there's just a guy singing about how like the government's fucking us. Yeah. What the fuck's happening right now? This was supposed to be like the comedy capital of the world. Do you think anything, I know stand-ups in a weird place right now, obviously still thriving, but just in a different place. Do you think any of that had to do with the fact that like, language was so like strictly policed for a while and then like some comics and some places you went, you could start hearing things, words, and ideas that you hadn't been hearing. And then so it was like refreshing for people to go out and be like, I'm here in slurs again. Yeah. Definitely. And then like after a while, like everybody started using that as they're like way to get people in. And so it was like deluded and that's less exciting for people because they could just turn on like any podcast in here that or like any. Yeah. I mean, I think the, I mean, the channel is jokes about it, but like the pendulum swung like too far back, came back swinging. And then it's just now you got everyone on stage just saying retard and slurs and that both of you and Grove is faggy and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. But what do you think, Francis? Yeah, I agree with all of that. I do. I mean, I think people celebrated it too much and there's like a righteousness in exercising your first amendment, whatever if you feel that you're oppressed. But then when the police go back inside and stop policing and you continue to just beat that drum and it starts to get a little indulgent. Right. When you're not being policed and you're like, look what I'm doing is like dude. - No one's stopping you. - Then it's just like mean. I just think that everything at a certain point gets to a point where it's no longer cool. Like everything is gonna go through like ups and downs. Like if for two years straight, if you said retard on stage, you was like at a round of applause. - Yeah. - And now it's everyone says it. So it's like it's not funny anymore. Like it's still funny. Don't get me wrong, it's still hilarious. But it's not like it's, it can't no longer be like the punchline to a joke. - Dude speaking of first amendment, I got hit with because I love the fucking first amendment. - Yeah of course. - I'm insane about it. How much I fucking love it. - I'm a 19th man personally. - Really? - Yeah. - And that's the right one. - The women to shoot guns. - The women to barrel arms. - Yeah. - The right for women to bear children. - Security bear mace. (laughing) - We haven't given guns, we've given them a can of mace. I had a backup nanny the other week and she got home one day, fucking frazzled. She's like, she was texting my wife. She's like, well there's like, I'll tell you something just happened. I'll tell you when I get home. And my wife's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Rush's home gets the news that they were just out in Brooklyn Bridge Park and that there's an Asian lady going around filming kids coming up to the stroller and filming behind her back. Like leaning over and like secretly filming. Damn. Trying to figure out like is that she has like, has a mask long sleeves on and she's filming people. And then later on that week, I saw a viral TikTok of the same lady of some guy being like, yo don't film people's kids, like that's weird. And it was the same time in the same place. The nanny was shook like she could tell it was weird. This lady was going up to another stroller and just filming dead in the face of these babies. Like I immediately, my wife heard that, like rush down trying to find her. And on the TikTok, there are all these reports. She's at like Cadman Plaza. She's at all these places. She's everywhere filming kids all over the place. And my alarm went up 'cause I'm like, if something feels uncomfortable with kids, you have to follow that instinct. But at the same time, I love the first amendment. (laughing) And she is just exercising her first amendment right to film stuff in public. But is that, I don't know. I feel like once you start, if you're blatantly hiding it, then is that against the law? No, you're allowed to film people in public. And you're allowed to film kids. There are definitely limits on that. What are they? I can't film upskirt videos under an escalator. Trust me. (laughing) But no, I'm not even saying that to be like, like, is that actually not allowed? Like, I know it's not allowed. That's frowned upon. It's so kind of like, you know, loot and lascivious behavior thing, I would think. I don't see how it would be legal to go. Like, I guess I don't see how it would be illegal either. But I don't know how that would be allowed to go around filming children. When you're in public, there's no expectation of privacy. But like, I get that. But I get it too. It's the same as like the metaglasses. Like, you're not allowed to film people. No, they stressed as if they were stressed as to me. They were stressed as to my first event, my love for the first amendment in real time. But I don't know, like at what point is that? Like, fuck the first amendment. No, it was fucked the first amendment at that time. But now it's back to the first amendment. No, no, like if I have to start putting masks on kids. If they beat the shit out of that, the Asian lady, my nanny or my wife, I would have had to have like, been on their side. Dude, there are so many Asian women filming babies in Austin, Texas right now. Oh, yeah. In COVID, they all went there. Really? Yeah, they were like, we can't do this in, you know, the rich men or the rich in towns. It's the only place where we can safely film. So, dude, what were the people on TikTok saying? They're like, don't film people's kids. But then, where's anyone? Were you in the comments? Like, well, technically, hey, my kids were-- That was like the first amendment. Yeah, my kids were filmed, hand up. But you got to, there's nothing we can do about this, guys. Yeah, sorry, you're-- Take it up with the founding fathers. Sorry, you don't want your kids on camera because they're so ugly and stupid. Yeah, it might be a precursor to human trafficking. But Thomas Jefferson warned us about this. Yeah, so what do you think is the purpose of the filming? I mean, everybody's like trafficking, trafficking, trafficking. But I don't know how you traffic the pictures. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if that's a human trafficking thing, and it's based off of one Asian, they must have surveillance around all of Brooklyn. What do you mean, Asians? I don't understand how it could be one lady. If it's human trafficking, it's whole operation. If it's human trafficking, it's-- Not always. They said that she was on a-- One person can traffic another person. That's kidnapping, which isn't that also kind of trafficking. If you take someone across state lines, isn't it trafficking? I wonder if I can question it. What is trafficking? It's a state line. It's a state line. If I learned anything from the ditty trials, it's a state line, for sure. But I thought it was like if you're sending someone somewhere like they're a fucking piece of luggage. I think we think it's just like selling someone into sex slavery, and I don't think it has to be all of that. Yeah, it's probably true. I need to find this fucking-- But like if you're like-- OK, so say I'm a human trafficker, right? In this scenario. Of course. I can hear the conversation right now, and I'm just so aware of how little we know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love it. No, OK. It's OK, so it gives a fuck. Say I'm a human trafficker, and it's just me. I'm the only guy. There's no-- I got no one helping me out. I'm doing this all myself. Yeah. I'm going to say I go to Central Park and I start to-- You don't work well with other traffickers. No, no. I'm hard to work with. You don't share the-- Yeah, yeah. We don't get it. We don't see eye-to-eye different morals. You've tried, but you know, it just always ends up being that like someone-- Yeah, we're just not getting along. So I take-- You don't like people micromanaging. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Right, OK. I get it. People rushing me, I don't-- Say I like it. Yeah. Telling me I got to act on this when I'm not ready yet. You're a slow burn. Yeah, exactly. I like to-- You're slow and low. I like to be careful, you know? I don't want to take any risks. You have different taste in targets. So I'm out in Central Park. I got my metaglasses on. I got some flashing pics of all the kids, children, everything I can get, right? What happens next? So now I go home. I've got all these photos of all these kids. And I'm looking at them. What are the odds I'm ever going to see? Like, what are the odds that Asian ladies ever going to see one of those kids again? Why does she need to? Because she's human trafficking. So like, what's the next-- Like, how does the next step-- Oh, she's probably, I guess, in theory, she would be selling the photos to creeps online. Maybe just Google, Kids Instroller. They all look the same. That's like saying, I'd hate to make this, but that's like saying, just watch porn. Yeah, no, I get it's a fucked up conversation to have. And it's in some sense. I, my guess is that some human trafficking pedophiles like the reality genre of it-- Yeah, probably. And this Asian woman is like the Bongsu Kim of, or whatever, that Korean parasite director. But that's the thing in photographs. I'm imagining, like, the lady in prisoners. You know what I mean? The mom in prisoners, who's like running the whole thing. Yeah. You think that's who the Asian lady is? No, that's why I'm saying, like, I don't see-- I think the Asian lady is just a weird lady who's taken photos of the kids. Yeah, agree. I don't-- I agree with you that extrapolating from what she's doing to human trafficking is a tenuous connection. I don't-- I genuinely don't know how that could lead to human trafficking. I think that people are very conscious at all of having photos of their children on the internet, especially if they didn't take them. Oh, yeah. No, I agree. She's fucking weird. Yeah, but that's just leads to a visibility that they don't want. So what's the next course of action here? What are we going to do? Let's just Asian hate across the board. Asian hate? Yeah, you're right. That's a good answer to a lot of things. Yeah, just-- Yeah, like paste that one characteristic of that one woman on the entire list and like take it off. It's like make it endemic to there. Do you think she was even a woman? Wow. Yeah. I think it was a man dressed up as a woman. It could have been like one of those hyper-realistic masks that, you know, the deep state puts on people. I just feel like, I don't know, that's so weird. That's so bizarre. Yo, yo, Pa. I feel like someone taking photos behind their back of kids. It's like, you're like, what are you doing? I need to get a video. I need to show you this other guy finding it. I got to see this because I'm having a hard time. Because this woman is literally over a stroller. And it's like nobody else is around. But also, she's frail. Any garden variety, Nanny is whipping her ass. Do you think she's just like in, do you think there's a reality where she's just like a super old lady who's just like loves kids? Maybe. Yeah, you get to that point. Remember when they let Bush, senior goose, young women in the butt, and they all go found out and they're like, come on. He's nine to five. I think Asian women get to a point. Or it's like, come on. Let her take photos. We're like, you know, I see the TikToks all the time. They're like, we know it's wrong. But, you know, she's from a different era. Like I brought my. people are like, I brought my blonde hair blue-eyed baby to Japan and they love them, you know what I mean? Maybe something like that. Yeah, yeah. It's like they're falling over it. Yeah, she just loves children and Brooklyn. Yeah, she's just going on a tour. Maybe it's like, yes, she came to the US going on a tour. Um, but there's also a reality where like this is the conversation she wants us to be having. Really? She's actually like, it's this is straight out of like, Taken. Like, she's, she's, she's Kim Markov from Tripleio. She's talking if I can poo in through any of your piece. I have a very particular set of skills. Skills that make a me very dangerous to people. To babies. Skills that make, yeah, terrify babies. I don't know why I'm always being stingy with this. I was like, can you send the video of the woman who was filming our kids? And she was like, she wasn't filming our kids in the video. It's like, we're just fucking. Oh, why are you hitting me with the semantic on that? Cause you know the one video I'm talking about just fucking. I mean the fucking video. I'm trying to make a point to the bull. I'm trying to make a point to the fellas. Oh, here we go. Here we go. How are the boys? Oh, that's so this is the other. Oh, this is from this is the one our nanny took. Oh, so this is a full operation. This is this is the, this isn't even the viral one. And the ball guy in the background is the guy who eventually makes the video. So she just walks right up to a stroller and takes a photo. Dunks her head into the fucking stroller. I'm back on. I think she's just weird to be honest. It's a weird old lady who just likes children, hopefully a non perverted way, hopefully a wholesome way probably thinks they're cute. Yeah. Yeah. And probably just doesn't really understand like social skills. So I think that she thinks it's like she can just take photos of people's children. Yeah. Using that flies in China. Yeah. Okay. It could just be a cultural difference. Yeah. I mean, I think it is. Yeah. That's where I'm leaning. That's why that's where I've always been. That's why I'm always first amendment. Yeah. I've been first in way to bring that back around. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now. But if I see her taking photos again in Brooklyn, is it just taking photos or like is she good to take photos or does she have to like take a fucking just someone asked to just like remove the camera from her phone. Hey. No, no, no, no. Somebody's in the police are. Hey, don't recall people's kids, bro. It's the same lady in the same as the same lady that's weird. That's weird that you got both angles of it. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. That's pretty crazy. That is, bro. Because it, bro. I'm eating the baby alone. Hey, hey, don't film people. The baby don't want to talk to you. You were sensitive about their kids, bro. No, what's their kids Nash? No, definitely not. If I had, look, I mean, if I had a kid and then someone came up and took a photo of an object that's a human trafficker, get that person the fuck away from the kids and they're doing it to all the kids. All right. All right. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Nice. Solid episode. It's fun. We will be back on Thursday with a non-banked normal episode as well. So we will see you guys then. Goodbye.